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Top 5 Draft Picks In Vikings History (Pre-Super Bowl Era)

Posted by Mike Wobschall on April 21, 2013 – 7:05 am

The 2013 NFL Draft is just 5 days away, and in honor of that we’re going to look at the 5 best draft picks in Vikings history. NFL.com ran a feature story earlier this month that looked at each NFL team’s top 5 picks in the pre-Super Bowl era (this takes Fran Tarkenton out of the picture, for example), and what’s written in this blog entry is what was included in the Vikings section of the NFL.com story.

Let us know what you think by leaving your thoughts in the comments section below this entry.

5. LB Scott Studwell (9th round, 250th overall in 1977)
A linebacker for 14 seasons, Studwell is the standard by which all other Vikings ‘backers are measured. He is the franchise career leader in combined tackles (1,981), defensive tackles (1,928), single-season tackles (230 – 1981) and single-game tackles (24 at Detroit 11/17/85). One of the most enduring figures in Vikings history, Studwell is in his fourth decade with the franchise and in 2013 enters his 22nd season working in the front office.

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4. WR Randy Moss (1st round, 21st overall in 1998)
Moss put together one of the best debut seasons of all-time, hauling in a NFL rookie single-season record 17 touchdowns and averaging 19.0 yards per catch for a Vikings team that went 15-1 and scored a then-NFL record 556 points. An elite vertical threat throughout his 16-year career, Moss set the NFL single-season receiving record in 2007 with 23 scores and currently ranks second in NFL history behind only Jerry Rice with 156 touchdown receptions.

3. OT Ron Yary (1st round, 1st overall in 1968)
In 1968 Yary became the first offensive lineman to be drafted first overall in NFL history, and the Hall of Famer’s blend of size, speed and strength helped usher in a new era of offensive line play. He assumed a starting role midway through the 1969 season and was a fixture there for the rest of his career, missing only two games during his career due to injury. Yary was named an All-Pro in six consecutive seasons, played in seven Pro Bowls and started in four Super Bowls.

2. DT Alan Page (1st round, 15th overall in 1967)
A Hall of Famer (1988) and member of the vaunted Purple People Eaters, Page was a mainstay in a dominant Vikings defense that became legendary and led the franchise to four Super Bowls in the 1970s. Page was named to the Pro Bowl nine times in 12 seasons with the Vikings, and in 1971 he became the first defensive player to earn NFL MVP honors. Page played in 236 straight games and had a knack for the impact play, recording 148.5 sacks, 28 blocked kicks and 23 fumble recoveries.

1. RB Adrian Peterson (1st round, 7th overall in 2007)
Peterson hit the ground running as a rookie by leading the NFC in rushing yards (1,341), setting a new NFL single-game rushing record of 296 yards, and helping the Vikings set a new team rushing record (2,634) yards). He earned Associated Press Offensive Rookie of the Year honors in 2007 and was named MVP of the Pro Bowl. In six seasons with the Vikings, Peterson has authored five of the franchise’s top six rushing seasons and in 2012 he became just the seventh player in NFL history to rush for 2,000 yards while going on to earn NFL MVP honors.

*Not included on this list but worth mentioning is quarterback Fran Tarkenton, a third-round selection in 1961 (pre Super Bowl era).


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95 Responses to “Top 5 Draft Picks In Vikings History (Pre-Super Bowl Era)”

  1. By Tom L on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    Lets find a Page and a Studwell in the 1st round.

  2. By Tom L on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    Smart guys with no baggage would be great. OK, even if it is WR without baggage.

  3. By JE on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    I think Justin Hunter could be the steal of the draft this year.If you can get him in the 2nd round i woud take him. Even if you have to trade up into the early 2nd i would do it.Kiko Alonso will be another player that in my opinion will go in the 3rd and would be a great value pick in a position of need.

  4. By Goldvike on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    4 days & we will find out!

  5. By JE on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    In the 4th i would find your speed,slot kick returner. Marquise Goodwin would be perfect if hes still on the board.In the 5th i would hope AJ Klein from Iowa is still there and would jump on him.

  6. By JE on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    The 1st 2 picks are hard to predict.I think both of these picks will be on the Defensive side of the ball…I KNOW,I KNOW we need a receiver but we can get 2 good receivers in the 2nd and 4th rounds…Again i like Justin Hunter in the 2nd and Goodwin in the early 4th.

  7. By Champ Henson on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    Leslie Frazier quote – April 7th – “we have 11 draft picks, we should get a good player”…….now that’s sounding optimistic!!!

  8. By JE on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    With Winfield gone corner is another position of need.David Amerson would be a steal in the late 3rd and would give us a tall physical corner/safety type of player or Robert Alford as more of a lock down speed corner that would be good in the nickle over the slot receiver.

  9. By WRHopkins2013 on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1597738-2013-nfl-draft-5-players-who-will-be-drafted-too-low#/articles/1597738-2013-nfl-draft-5-players-who-will-be-drafted-too-low

  10. By JE on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    The biggest question is what Tackle is still on the board when we are up..Im thinking Jesse Williams or Sylvester Williams…After all it has to be a Williams doesnt it!!!

  11. By JE on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    Yes,Hopkins is another player that would be a good pick in the 2nd round.I think Hunter is better, but for the second wave of receivers in this draft both of these guys are really good players and are a bargain if you can pick em in the 2nd round.

  12. By WRHopkins2013 on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    I agree with this guy…

    Te’o is a middle of the second round- MLB…

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1611533-predicting-landing-spots-for-the-nfls-most-controversial-draft-prospects#/articles/1611533-predicting-landing-spots-for-the-nfls-most-controversial-draft-prospects

  13. By WRHopkins2013 on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    Hold the Te’o….

    http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/203913981.html?refer=y

  14. By Nicholas on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    http://walterfootball.com/draft2013_1.php I’d be really happy if our draft could play out like this…

  15. By Nicholas on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    2 guards taken in that scenario…one in the third and one in the fifth…Travis Frederick and Alvin Bailey

  16. By Parody on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    Not me Nicholas. Patterson has been graded by many analysts as the top WR in the draft, so if he’s available, I’d much rather the Vikings take him over Te’o. The team still has a shot at getting a good ILB in the second, and if they still think Te’o is that good, they have the ammunition to trade up high enough to still nab him as well.

  17. By Parody on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    As far as the later rounds go, we need to target CBs before guards. Not to say that we shouldn’t try to improve the guard position, but that effort seems unlikely given how satisifed Frazier was with his O-line last year. Plus, CBs on our team have a lot of trouble playing an entire season, and we need a replacement for Winfield, so the Vikings would be well advised to find 2 CBs before the end of the 5th round.

  18. By Nicholas on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    True…but I did like the touch of picking up Allen in the second round to make up for it.

  19. By Parody on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    Yea, but Allen has less liklihood of lasting to our pick in the 2nd than Patterson has of lasting to our pick in the first.

  20. By Ozzinator on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    How come no one is talking about Mistral Raymond?

  21. By Jake on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    How is this pre Super Bowl?

  22. By Nicholas on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    I agree, I don’t know if either of those WRs will fall that far. Patterson has to make it past the Bills, Steelers, Rams, and Bengals in the first to fall to us.

    Keenan Allen may fall a bit due to his injury and drug test…but yeah…not to us in the second round.

    I like the thought of how that draft played out, though. 2 defensive starters, a #1 WR,and 2 replacements @ guard.

  23. By Tom L on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    Rhodes or Patterson at 23, of course Spielman would jump but not much chance.

  24. By Nicholas on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    I’d just be happy to see us find someone to replace Charlie Johnson in the next couple of years. We can’t void Johnson’s contract yet…so he will probably be @ LG for another year : /

    Fusco may come around, who knows.

  25. By Northern Norseman on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    I really think the Vikings should be very aggressive in trading down in this NFL Draft because of its amazing depth. I strongly believe, with this draft, the main objective is to get as many selections with rounds 1-4 and you could come out with some great value.

    This mock draft is based on the remaining available prospects at each draft selection according to DRAFTTEKs 7-round mock draft. I used the known draft trade charts to get realistic even trades. DRAFTTEK has a great interactive draft trade chart that I used.

    **** In no way am I saying this will happen but just showing an example of what could be accomplished if the Vikings were very aggressive in trading down. Also, if I was in charge of this draft and was trading down, in a handful of trades I would try to get draft selections in next years draft (2014) because not only can you get better value by waiting a year but it gives you added selections to play around with in each coming draft. I didn’t have any trades use future draft selections because it’s a lot tougher to calculate even trades and with the depth in this draft, I would feel very comfortable getting as many prospects from this class as possible.

    Here we go! Enjoy!

    -questions and comments are encouraged-

    ——————————————————————————————-

    TRADING DOWN:
    == Traded [Vikings] #23 –FOR– [Falcons] #30 and #198
    == Traded [Vikings] #25 and #213 –FOR– [49ers] #31 and #93
    == Traded [49ers]/[Vikings] #31 and #214 –FOR– [Bengals] #37, #118, and #190
    == Traded [Bengals]/[Falcons] #37 and #198 –FOR– [Rams] #46, #113, #149
    == Traded [Vikings] #52 –FOR– [Texans] #57, #124, and #233
    == Traded [Texans]/[Vikings] #124 and #189 –FOR– [Chiefs] #134 and #170

    TRADING UP:
    == Traded [Vikings] #83 and #120 –FOR– [Buccaneers] #73

    ———————————————————————————————

    1st (#30) [Falcons] — DE — Cornellius Carradine — FSU
    2nd (#46) [Rams] — CB — David Amerson — N.C. State
    2nd (#57) [Texans] — LB — Jamie Collins — Southern Miss
    3rd (#73) [Buccaneers] — DT — Brandon Williams — Missouri Southern
    3rd (#93) [49ers] — G/T — Kyle Long — Oregon
    4th (#102) [Vikings] — WR — Da’Rick Rodgers — Tennessee Tech
    4th (#113) [Rams] — CB Tyrann Mathieu — LSU
    4th (#118) [Bengals] — RB — Marcus Lattimore — South Carolina
    4th (#134) [Chiefs] — LB — A.J. Klein — Iowa State
    5th (#149) [Rams] — S — Duke Williams — Nevada
    5th (#155) [Vikings] — WR — Marquees Wilson — Washington State
    6th (#170) [Chiefs] — P — Ryan Allen — Louisiana Tech
    6th (#190) [Bengals] — CB — Sanders Commings — Georgia
    7th (#229) [Vikings] — WR — Mark Harrison — Rutgers
    7th (#233) [Texans] — DL — Lawrence Okoye — No College

  26. By Northern Norseman on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    ***FORGOT TO ADD***

    Symbols:

    ( ) — Shows what the overall draft pick is in the NFL Draft

    [ ] — What team owned that pick originally

  27. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    Man, I just know better than to read WObs copy– makes no sense at all, Do you even proof?

  28. By Parody on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    Titus – Is it even worth commenting on anymore? Wobby doesn’t care that his readers are disgusted by his lack of effort because they do not have the means to send their concerns to his supervisors.

  29. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    Did you see it Parody? I am dead tired and had to read twice before commenting– but am I correct in seeing this: NFL.com did a story of pre SuperBowl era drafts, and this blog has what was included in that story– and then it starts with Studwell from 1977. HUH??? Where is the “not”?

  30. By Parody on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    Northern Norseman – Most of those trades are just about even value, except for the first. I don’t know why you’d accept a 7th round pick as compensation, when the trade value says that dropping from #23 to #31 should be worth a mid-to-late 3rd-round pick. The Falcon’s picks at spots #31, #95 and #198 are about even with our #23 – I’m guessing that you meant to include that #95 but missed it.

    Overall, I don’t care for the players you’re picking. With all those trades, we should really be making sure to get starters in the areas of need: WR, ILB, CB and DT. Amerson looks like the only guy who should earn a starting position. Everyone else would likely be a project player in their first year.

  31. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    But you’re right– what do I care? Waste of time.

  32. By Parody on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    Titus – I saw it screaming at me. The second I read the title of the blog, I was 99% certain that it was wrong. I read through the article to try to prove myself wrong, but couldn’t.

    What does it matter though? Wobschall doesn’t listen to us because his bosses don’t tell him that it’s important. It’s sad, but that’s the world we live in.

    If you can find an e-mail address for his bosses, one that they’d actually read and react to, I’d love to have it. I would join you in complaining about the severe lack of professionalism by the so-called journalism being posted on this site.

  33. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    Why bother? I told you I am so tired– didn’t even pay attention to the title. That only makes the error worse. I can see leaving out a “not” included (although a proofreading would catch it), but to place a title– ugh, not even worth my time to complain. I will just do what I usually do– read the blog posts and not the articles.

  34. By Northern Norseman on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    @Parody

    Right… I did completely left out #93 Falcons selection. My bad.

    Yeah most of them are very close trades. I’d get them as close as possible but if the trade values were a few points apart I didn’t mind.

    It’s not perfect but I was just trying to quickly put together a good example of why trading down would be a wise decision.

    Also, there would be players from that would contribute greatly:

    P – Ryan Allen could easily turn out to be our starter
    LBs – Jamie Collins and A.J. Klein would have big time chances to be starters.
    WRs – Between Da’Rick Rodgers, Marquees Wilson, and Mark Harrison… One of them would contribute a lot while the others would provide depth and contribute from time to time.
    CBs – David Amerson, Tyrann Mathieu, and Sanders Commings would all have the chance to contribute greatly.
    DE – Cornellius Carridine and RB Marcus Lattimore would fantastic picks since Carridine could very easily be a starter next year when we find Allen, Robison, and Griffen all be unrestricted free agents and the Vikings would have the luxury of sitting Lattimore for most/all the season because of AP and Toby but could be very valuable once Toby is gone after this season.

    You may not agree with all the players I have listed but I see many players that would contribute greatly to the team and others that would contribute greatly down the road.

  35. By Northern Norseman on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    *** Falcons have the #92… not #93.

  36. By Frederick Jones on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

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  37. By Frederick Jones on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    @Parody,

    The jonesboy does not disagree with you targeting CBs over Guards this draft. However I just read an article that says several O Linemen will be taken in this year’s draft. The writer thinks that Tackles will dominate the first round.

    Perhaps the Vikings should take a tackle in the first round and convert him to guard. In addition the D Linemen should be good in this year’s draft, but we need WRs more than DLs.

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  38. By Sir Greasy Panda on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    no tavon austin please. Im ok with anyone else except him.

    Just because we lost percy does not mean we have to go and replace him, just find a player that is an impact starter.

  39. By Tom L on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    Agreed Panda, just because he was diverse in college doesn’t mean he will be diverse in the pros. He is small and does not have the name Percy but the potential of being hurt is high and we have Wright and Jennings who can both play the slot already.

  40. By Parody on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    Northern Norseman – I decided to take a shot at your approach, but didn’t go nearly so crazy with trades. I was looking for good players in positions of need, and projecting a few trades that seem to make sense to get them at proper value. I snuck in one player in a trade, valuing him as an early 3rd-round talent:

    —————————————————————————————————-
    TRADES
    —————————————————————————————————-
    Trade 1: Vikings give up #25, #52 & #120; Falcons give up #31 & #34
    Trade 2: Vikings give up #31(From Falcons) & Toby Gerhart; Dolphins give up #42 & #54
    Trade 3: Vikings give up #213; Undisclosed team gives up 2014 6th-rounder

    —————————————————————————————————-
    DRAFT
    —————————————————————————————————-
    23 – DT Sylvester Williams
    34 – WR Keenan Allen
    42 – CB Jonathan Banks
    54 – OG Larry Warford
    83 – ILB Kiko Alonso
    102 – OLB Zaviar Gooden
    155 – CB Sanders Commings
    189 – WR Charles Johnson
    214 – OG Jeff Baca
    229 – RB Knile Davis
    —————————————————————————————————-
    *All picks were taken within 5-spots of their draft value, based on CBS Sports Rankings
    —————————————————————————————————-

    Sly, K.Allen and J.Banks should all be starters on day 1, providing significant upgrades at each position.

    I went with a guard early as a valuable future starter. Could easily learn a bit and replace Charlie Johnson when the sack of potatoes finishes his contract. Meanwhile, he has a good shot at challenging Fusco this year.

    It felt a little late to get an ILB, but Alonso seems like an intriguing prospect, and should still be a decent upgrade from Brinkley after he gets his feet wet. It also felt a bit early to get an OLB, knowing that Henderson has 2 years on his contract, but Gooden is blazingly fast and has the potential to provide another upgrade after a year or two of learning.

    Commings should add good depth at CB, with decent height (6’0″) and speed (4.41 40). Johnson is another solid depth option with good physical traits (6’2″, 4.41 40).

    Baca is probably going to be a practice squadder, but may show value in the future. I took him at #214 because it seemed right to get 2-linemen in the draft, and this is the position he is valued at.

    Davis should be the guy we need for depth behind Peterson after trading Gerhart. He’s one of the faster guys in the draft, running a 4.35 40. It just makes more sense to have late picks backing up the NFL MVP than to waste 2nd rounders on guys who rarely see the field. As it turns out, I could only justify 3rd round value for a guy that we traded back into the 2nd round to get, even though he is still fresh – having little wear as Peterson’s backup – and has picked up a few years of NFL knowledge. RBs just don’t get that type of value, but we’re better off getting something for him now than nothing for him later.

  41. By Parody on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    *Correction: Falcons == 49ers. Got my teams mixed up. I left the Falcons alone in the trade scenario.

  42. By Parody on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    I realize my scenario only gets one defensive lineman, but I think that any more than that would hurt the team more than it would help. With every one from our DL returning this year, any who we draft means we have to trade/cut someone on the roster. I have no problem cutting Evans for Sly, but think that should be as far as we go.

    The problem with that approach is that we have 4-starting quality players all hitting the final year of their contracts. However, if I were the GM, I would be trying to get a new contract for Griffen and Allen/Robison. Griffen is ready to become a full time starter, and the other player can be signed to a contract that will allow him to retire a Viking. Then, we can deal with the loss of just 1 player from the line, by either getting a younger free agent in 2014 or drafting another early DT to replace K.Williams.

  43. By Tom L on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    Parody, now that the Jets have 2 1st round. If you are going to give up Toby why not trade up if you could get Milner or Rhodes?

  44. By Goldvike on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    T. Austin !!!!!

  45. By Parody on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    Outside of thinking that better value can be had from trading back into rounds 2+3 compared to trading up into the early 1st, I’m pretty certain that the Jets are planning on getting Rhodes/Millner with the draft pick now that their All Star CB is wearing a different color.

  46. By Matt on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    trade up to get cordarrelle patterson with the #23, stay at #25 to trade sylvester williams, and trade high into the 2nd round to get arthur brown and get tyrann matthieu in the 3rd if he still there …. SUPER BOWL….

  47. By Northern Norseman on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    @Parody

    That looks pretty decent.

    I think Commings is one of the most underrated players in this draft.

    About the whole DL…….

    I’ve said all along. The Vikings will almost certainly keep 2 out of the 3 (Allen, Robison, and Griffen) DEs going into the 2014 NFL season. It’s even possible they may only have 1 return, although again, my gut says 2 will return. One of them that I know for sure will return is Everson Griffen. That basically leaves it between Allen and Robison on who will return if either do indeed return at all. Basically pretty close to what you state but I’m just addressing what I’ve been saying for a while.

    I only had 3 DL among all those draft selection which isn’t a lot.
    One could easily make room for Cornellius Carradine on the roster. If he didn’t have that injury, he’d very likely be drafted top-10. If he is there you…. you take him. Besides you have guys like Johnson and D’Aundre Reed that could easily get cut to make room for a future star like Cornellius especially when you know 3 of your top DEs are all free agents next year.
    As for DT…. same thing. Using my example of DT Brandon Williams (Or Sylvester if you want) has tons of upside and can definitely make an impact in the NFL. With someone like Fred Evans on the roster…. you could again make room for a possible star DT…. especially when you know Kevin Williams will be a free agent and the depth behind him isn’t all great.

    So I really don’t see why that is very many players…. I don’t see it causing a roster issue at all.

    The last player I drafted at kind of a lottery, big time upside, draft pick deep in the 7th round because….. why not?…. it’s the 7th round…. so why not take a chance and swing for the fences? That person right now is Lawrence Okoye.

    He’s really young and an absolutely amazing athlete. Yeah yeah yeah he hasn’t played football before. That’s why late in the draft you’re really not risking a ton for the possibility of getting an amazing football player. If you don’t know much about Okoye you should do some homework because he has every chance to be a big time player in the NFL. If Okoye came into camp and blows it up…. then make room.

    3 DL isn’t a lot to draft considering the Vikings situation. 4 I would say is pushing it but I’d rather go into the season with at least 1 stud DE and 1 stud DT to get a couple reps through the season but be able to hit the ground running once we need them in 2014.

  48. By Northern Norseman on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    Yeah I can see the Jets getting either Rhodes or Millner myself.

    Thing is they still have Cromartie and Wilson who are both pretty decent corners so they don’t HAVE to get a CB but it’d definitely help and if it’s either of those CB’s sitting at their selection I wouldn’t be surprised if they drafted them.

    Interesting scenario…..

    I doubt it would happen but it’s possible the Jets could walk out of the 1st round with Geno Smith and Tavon Austin. Again, I’m assuming that won’t happen but anything can happen on draft day and that is one realistic intriguing possibility.

  49. By Tom L on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    They need a proven RB more than a back up CB that is why I think there is a possibility with Toby. To be clear I think we need to keep Toby in case something happens to AP.

  50. By Northern Norseman on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    @Tom L

    I’d like to keep Toby too but there is no way he returns after this season.

    Even if we paid Toby a decent amount, he wants to go somewhere he will get a healthy amount of touches.

    If we know he will be gone then we should get something for him while we can like you are implying.

    The absolutely craziest I could see the Vikings getting for Toby is a late 2nd rounder but the most realistic compensation the Vikings could get for Toby is a 3rd-4th rounder.

  51. By Parody on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    Tom – Since we drafted AP, who has had more trouble keeping healthy, AP or our starting CBs? AP is inhuman. Our CBs can be as fragile as toothpicks. The defense suffers every year once they start going down. It would be much better to find young backups for them, and let All Day keep doing what he does best.

  52. By Tom L on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    I hear you. OK, Toby and mid round to move up for CB.

  53. By Northern Norseman on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

  54. By Northern Norseman on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

  55. By pondersucks07 on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    Trading down is a good idea to a point. Sound like your trading too much and by doing so your picks start to look bad. You are watering down the talent level. Sometimes less is more.

  56. By pondersucks07 on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    I see Spielman maybe trading one of his first round picks to a team in need of a QB. Maybe getting a #1 pick next year and a early 2&3 this year.

  57. By pondersucks07 on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    If that does happen it will give Spielman some room to trade up in next years draft if Ponder fail to pan out.

  58. By pondersucks07 on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    And finally they get there franchise QB.

  59. By Northern Norseman on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    @Pondersucks07

    How do the picks looks bad?

    It was just showing an example of maximizing the amount of draft selections within rounds 1-4 by trading down. Why on earth does it matter exactly how much a team trades down? It doesn’t… to answer the question for you. This draft is insanely deep. So regardless of how often or how little you trade, as long as your gaining selections in the early-mid rounds, then what matters? The difference in prospects this year, for example, between someone in late 1st to someone in late 2nd are really not drastically different. So saying you’d rather go into camp with less drafted players as opposed to nearly just as good of prospects but have more of them is ridiculous.

    Watering down the talent level? No not really

    Sometimes less is more? Uhhh no, not in this case.

    If you have watched the draft religiously, you would have noticed some teams (Patriots for example) trade down several times. With rookie wage scale in place, we are seeing a rise in trades.

    Also, I have stated that I would have asked for compensation in the 2014 NFL draft because you get greater value by waiting and continuously replenishes your future drafts. I just didn’t do it because it’s tougher to calculate such trades and since it was for the sake of showing the example, I was using the trade value charts to make even trades. (First trade was a mistake but the rest are fair and even.) So basically there would have been less selections given that I factored in 2014 compensation.

    Although I have said I would prefer to trade down a lot. I have also said that my prediction on what will happen is that one 1st round selection will stay put and the other 1st rounder will be traded.

    Again, I really don’t get your points. Care to elaborate?

  60. By pondersucks07 on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    I agree with you to a point. True the Patriots trade down and stock pile picks so they can will and deal, But also they trade up getting key players that they targeted from there draft board. They will give picks away in this draft to get better picks in the draft next year and that my friend is the true key to every draft. What you can stock pile for next year.

  61. By pondersucks07 on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    the more picks you have the more power you have to get the 3 to 4 players you targeted on your board of twenty.

  62. By RichardA1 on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    I say we trade our two 1st round picks, our 2nd, giving us 30 picks or so, there has to be some keepers in there! I don’t know what the percentages are, as in % of 1st rounders make it in the NFL, then the % for 2nd rounders that make it, etc, would be interesting to know though!

  63. By pondersucks07 on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    This Team has to many holes to fill in one draft. That’s why I think Spielman will trade down a few times to get better picks next year. 1st. round pick this year for a 1st round pick next year and high 2nd & 3rd this year.

  64. By pondersucks07 on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    Follow up from last post. To cover his butt in case Ponder doesn’t pan out it will be easier to trade up next year and draft one of the top QB’S next year

  65. By Danish Viking on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    4 days left!!! I’m so excited to see what direction we’re going in this draft. I hope DT, CB, WR and ILB will be addressed with our first four picks, and that those four will be solid starters from day 1. Then we’ll be real contenders!

  66. By Tom L on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    Speilman needs to work for this year. The Vikes are closer this year than they will be next year if they loose Allen, Williams and Henderson, irreplaceable. AP needs this now. Ponder (hence Jennings) has to work out and the defense has to get er done. Next year is a long ways away.

  67. By pondersucks07 on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    Spielman like any other GM has to plan for the future. The coach and the players are in the now.

  68. By Northern Norseman on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    @pondersucks07

    I don’t think you really got the points I have been making. Some points that you have made are exactly what I’ve been implying the whole time but with added substance. Other points about trading too much looks bad or having too many trades/players is making it watered down doesn’t make sense, doesn’t apply with this specific years draft class or were mis-used because you didn’t read/understand what I was saying.

    I just typed up a post detailing more specifically on everything so I would make myself more clear but for some reason this site just wont let me send the post through…… ugh so frustrating…. I have no clue which word/s it is that is preventing its passage.

    So…. I don’t have time until later to try and get that post on through but for the time being I thought I’d at least send this until then.

  69. By Tom L on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    Someone else said that if you delete something in the post it won’t post. Since I read that I only change with the backspace and have not missed a post. Also copy and paste from word did not post. Don’t know if that is what I was doing or not.

  70. By JE on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    This draft has so much flexability at WR,DT,and linebacker,all positions of need..I would NOT trade up for any of these players period!! If anything trade down for more picks..The 2nd,3rd and 4th rounds are full of starting caliber players…Justin Hunter,Robert Woods,DaRick Rodgers,Marquise Goodwin for receivers…Kawann Short,Jesse Williams,Johnathan Jenkins at tackle…Kiko Alanso,Jonathan Bostic and AJ Klein at linebacker…DO NOT TRADE UP!!!.All of these players will be on the board the second day.Some will even be there on day three.

  71. By bigfan1 on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    We need some more homeruns like these to take it to the super bowl level.

  72. By liito on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    It will be a most exciting draft day on Thursday, April 25, 2013. I hope the Vikings will score an “A.”

  73. By Derrick.G on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    A B+ draft for us would be great as well. Most of your higher grades are based on your late round grabs.

  74. By Derrick.G on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    I’d like to see another Williams Wall too. Williams Wall 2.0

  75. By WRHopkins2013 on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    http://www.1500espn.com/sportswire/Vikings_by_position_Lot_of_resources_in_oline_but_guard_a_concern042113?t=2

  76. By pondersucks07 on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    Sometimes the blinded can see sometimes the sighted are blind.

  77. By liito on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    AD + TA = SB

  78. By pondersucks07 on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    Remember when Ponder was going to get together with his WRS to get a feel for each other. Wilson working out with Percy. Ponder still working out with the wiffle ball to get his wiffle like throws in shape. Its all right we have ALL DAY AND ALL NIGHT(AKA THE BEAST) to pick-up the slack.

  79. By pondersucks07 on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    AD+TA =SB AD+TA+CP=3rd place in the north

  80. By pondersucks07 on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    Sorry having bad day . Trying to stay positive . VIKES ROCK

  81. By The Assassin on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    Let me say this Spielman i personally want to thank you in advance for bringing in Tavon Austin,The Assassin.

  82. By Mike B. on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    @pondersucks07 relax and take it easy. I think Ponder is going to have a good year this year. The Vikings are a young team and they will be better this year. I am seen bad teams in the past and some good teams. We will get our superbowl sooner or later. Enjoy the games.

  83. By pondersucks07 on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

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  84. By Champ Henson on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    Pondersucks07 – this will be Ponders last year. He does not have the smarts, the mindset or the arm to make it as a starter. He will be a career backup at best. Don’t be surprised if the vikings draft a QB and a running back before the seventh round. This draft will shock a lot of people.

  85. By Dan Johnson on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    Well, I did notice that one other person mentioned this but…. this is NOT a “pre-Super Bowl” list of draft picks Mr. Wobshall. The prefix “pre” means BEFORE. These players were all drafted AFTER the Super Bowl came into existence – and that includes the great Alan Page.

    If you’re looking for PRE-Super Bowl draft picks, you have a short list; there were only five first-rounders taken by the Vikings: Tommy Mason (1961), Jim Dunaway (1963), Carl Eller (1964). Jack Snow (1965) and Jerry Shay (1966). Neither Snow or Dunaway played for the Vikings as Snow was traded to the Los Angeles Rams and Dunaway shunned the Vikes in favor of signing with the American Football Leagues’ Buffalo Bills.

    Also, Minnesota didn’t have first rounder in 1962 because it traded it away to New York, which promptly traded it to Los Angeles, used it to draft Snow’s future teammate and NFL MVP Roman Gabriel.

  86. By Champ Henson on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    Dan J. – do you remember what we got for Jake Snow?

  87. By vikefan on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    Hi all, I wanted to give this a try..

    Viking trade 23th(760),83th(180),and 102th(92) for:
    New Orleans 15th

    Viking trade 25th(720), 229th and Toby Gerhart for:
    Cincinnati 37(530) and 53(370) Gerharts worth a 2nd

    Vikings New Picks:
    1st round: 15th: Cordarrelle Patterson (WR)
    2nd round: 37th: Manti Teo’ (ILB)
    2nd round: 52nd: Jesse Williams (DT)
    2nd round: 53rd: Phillip Thomas (FS)
    4th round: 120th: Joseph Randle (RB)
    5th round: 155th: Michael Buchanan (DE)
    6th round: 189th: Marquess Wilson (WR)
    7th round: 213th: Quinn Sharp (P)
    7th round: 214th: Joe Kruger (DE)
    This I feel I could be happy with

  88. By vikefan on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    @Pondersucks07
    I have to comment. Um what QB would you like? Would you like us to use a 2nd or even one of the firsts for the guy who played back up for Ponder in college? Barkley? once a top 10 now in the 2nd round. How about a 40 year old QB from FA? or lets try Matt Cassel. Why not, he started for a team that gave him up so they could get better. I love hearing all the arm chair QB’s whine about Ponder. Would Ponder be a better back up? could be. BUT HES OUR QB! till we have an opportunity for better POTENTIAL. Back up your team and quit trolling GO VIKES

  89. By Frederick Jones on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    @vikefan,

    Ponder could be sitting out due to an injury or benched for poor play. We don’t know.

    In the mean time Joe Webb is most likely to replace Ponder in the short term.

    In the long term in may be Cassell.

  90. By Frederick Jones on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    Drafts are more scientific than years ago, yet some players still fall through the cracks.

    Hopefully the Vikings will have a year similar to the Steelers in 1974 when they drafted FOUR Hall of Famers. (Or was it FIVE, you look it up!)

  91. By Frederick Jones on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    To all anti-Joe Webb blogger this is what you look like to The Jones:

  92. By Frederick Jones on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    It goes back to what I said several years ago, “EVEN A 375 POUND MAN SITTING ON THE COUCH AT HOME CAN CRITICIZE MICHAEL JORDAN’S JUMP SHOT.”

    Some ask if Freddie is “playing the race card?” That means about as much to me as schism. Racism is not a game.

    Let’s also not forget that there really is no such thing as racism. We are all of the same race. But do the right thing, be fair.

  93. By Jeremy on Apr 22, 2013 | Reply

    If Geno Smith falls to us at #23, we have to take him….do not trade back.

    Also draft Chance Warmack if he falls to #25!!!!!!!!

    Please…..

  94. By Kyle w on Apr 22, 2013 | Reply

    Ah….. Percy harvin!
    Probably gonna be one of the all time best player in the game

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