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Minnesota Stadium Facilities Authority Announces Plan To Include Women, Minorities And Veterans In Stadium Construction

Posted by Mike Wobschall on February 8, 2013 – 2:00 pm

The Minnesota Sports Facilities Authority passed the much anticipated Construction Services Agreement Equity Plan today. The plan outlines how the Construction Manager will engage women, minorities and veterans in the building of the new stadium.

The plan is a continuation of the equity efforts that began during the design phase. For the Design Services Agreement, the Authority and the Minnesota Vikings adopted goals of 11% and 8% women and minority inclusion respectively. The Authority announced the majority of the subcontractors who are fulfilling those goals at its last meeting on January 18, 2013.

“The Authority and the Minnesota Vikings have developed this comprehensive plan with public input. As we build this new stadium we want to ensure we include communities of color, women and veterans,” stated Chair Michele Kelm-Helgen. “Our goals are aggressive, and this stadium project is going to leave a legacy of successful companies and individuals with lifelong careers.”

The Targeted Business (TB) goal will be 20% – 11% women owned businesses and 9% minority owned businesses. Only contract work performed by Minnesota firms will be counted towards this Targeted Business goal. The workforce goal is to include 32% minorities and 6% women in all hours worked on the stadium project. The plan also addresses the need to include Minnesota veterans in our outreach and employment efforts.

“The Governor and legislators saw the construction of the new stadium as an economic development tool,” added Chair Kelm-Helgen. “Our board will ensure that targeted businesses and the workforce are Minnesota companies and Minnesota workers.”

“The Vikings and the Authority are committed to ensuring a diverse and talented work force on this project,” said Vikings Vice President of Legal Affairs and Chief Administrative Officer Kevin Warren, a member of the Stadium Equity Review Panel. “We have worked hard to put together a comprehensive equity plan – one that will focus on outreach, recruitment, training and employment of all Minnesotans and will ensure inclusion of minorities, women and veterans.”

More specifics from the Equity Plan:
— The Equity Plan calls for the Authority to contract with an Employment Assistance Firm which will focus on specific stadium workforce needs and preparing the diverse workforce of tomorrow.
— The Plan specifically outlines how the Construction Manager will report their efforts to meet the TB goal and workforce goals.
— A Stadium Equity Oversight Committee will be established as a public meeting where the Construction Manager will periodically report progress on minority, women and veteran goals.
— An outreach strategy that includes Minnesota veteran owned businesses and inclusion in the workforce is an important part of the Plan.
— The Authority will work closely with the City of Minneapolis, Minnesota Department of Human Rights, Minnesota Department of Labor and Industry, Minnesota Department of Administration to help the Construction Manager and Subcontractors with the reporting of Targeted Businesses and Workforce numbers.

“The Association of Women Contractors is very pleased with the Equity Plan,” said Barb Lau Executive Director of the AWC. “We strongly support the 20% Minnesota Targeted Business inclusion in the plan. We are confident that through the leadership of the Authority and the Vikings, we will meet or exceed this goal.”

The Authority also confirmed that they are negotiating with two of the three firms who submitted bids: Hunt Construction and Mortenson Construction.

About the Minnesota Sports Facilities Authority (MSFA)
In May 2012, the Minnesota Legislature and the Minneapolis City Council approved funding for the new $975 million multi-purpose stadium to replace the Metrodome. The new stadium is scheduled to open in time for the 2016 NFL season. The Minnesota Sports Facilities Authority (MSFA), which currently owns the Metrodome, will own and operate the new stadium. MSFA is also responsible for the design and construction of the new stadium.


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294 Responses to “Minnesota Stadium Facilities Authority Announces Plan To Include Women, Minorities And Veterans In Stadium Construction”

  1. By BlueBird7 on Feb 8, 2013 | Reply

    Now all they will have to do is find a team that will be able to win some games.

  2. By liito on Feb 8, 2013 | Reply

    Employment construction for the new stadium must be inclusive for everyone who qualifies. I hope the new stadium has a retractable roof. Viking football should be played with the snow.

  3. By Northern Norseman on Feb 8, 2013 | Reply

    @liito

    People need to understand that even IF the stadium has a retractable roof that the league still has regulations on when a stadium can have its roof open.

    If it is snowing there is a good chance that it will be closed. We probably won’t ever see the Vikings game it out in the snow even with a retractable roof.

    Sadly those days are gone and past….. it’s best to just move on…. it hurts less that way. Last chance you’ll get to see the Vikings rumble in the snow will be the 2 years they play at the TCF Bank stadium.

  4. By Northern Norseman on Feb 8, 2013 | Reply

    I still think the stadium should have a retractable roof or at least have the option for it down the road.

    Do not make any mistake about that now. I want to enjoy a decent portion of the games ever year to have outside elements a part of gameday.

    One big reason I can see the stadium having a retractable roof is the professional soccer team the owners want.

    There is a huge market in Minnesota to have a MLS team. The only way the MLS will allow a soccer team to play in a stadium is if it has a retractable roof.

    It’ll be interesting on what happens but bottom line the Gophers baseball team better BACK OFF the VIKINGS stadium. It was voted in to be built as a Viking football stadium (with other events of course) and not a football/baseball stadium.

  5. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Feb 8, 2013 | Reply

    Wow, this is news? The stadium will be built by people?

  6. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Feb 8, 2013 | Reply

    And NN– pertaining to your recent post toward me– quite ironic, indeed. You and Parkway post way more than I do– in fact, at any random moment that I just scan these postings, Parkway is busy blogging– I actually wondered if this was his career. I am rarely on here.

  7. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Feb 8, 2013 | Reply

    There is already a hugely successful soccer team in MN- one of my colleagues is studying a marketing strategy.

  8. By RichardA1 on Feb 8, 2013 | Reply

    Have a vote on the design of the stadium/w retractble roof. The fans should have a say on the design.

  9. By JEC334 on Feb 8, 2013 | Reply

    We would be better off without a retractable roof. Like a previous poster stated, the NFL has rules and regulations when it comes to retractable roof. Seeing as it is always cold in Minnesota during football season, I don’t see many games where they would open the roof because the stadium temperature has to atleast be in the 70s. The days of cold outdoor football are coming to and end, especially for teams who want new stadiums.

  10. By Frederick Jones on Feb 8, 2013 | Reply

    test

  11. By Frederick Jones on Feb 8, 2013 | Reply

    @northwoods,

    Regarding Gannon and Johnson showing promise before they were traded:

    Jones remembers countless times when Gannon would run a 360 degree circle before throwing the ball! His mechanics were awful!!!

    How quickly we fans forget.

  12. By Frederick Jones on Feb 8, 2013 | Reply

    @Runaway,

    New England, Denver, Seattle, Indianapolis, and probably some other teams have better QBs than the one playing in Baltimore.

    Flacco is an above average QB, perhaps even in the top ten best in the NFL, but let’s not make him a Hall of Famer yet.

    Let’s remember that Jones’ point was that the best QBs were not in the Super Bowl. Rodgers-Brady-Brees-RGIII-Luck-etc. It’s not all about the Quarterback, no matter how badly you would like to think so.

    This generation gets fooled by the hype, and it’s not just football.

  13. By Frederick Jones on Feb 8, 2013 | Reply

    The other ten players on the team make the quarterback. Yes, he still must make the throws, and the decisions, but there are many, many QBs that might have made it except for the team they played for, didn’t have enough talent on the field. Jamarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf, Tim Couch, etc.

    You may argue that the great ones of Montana, Tarkenton, Marino, would not have made it if their team was as bad as the Saints, and Patriots of the late 1960′s and early 1970′s.

    Joe Willie Gilliam was another one. Great skills, bad team.

    It is a myth that the QB makes the team great. The truth is it is the team that makes the QB great. You can’t have one without the other!

  14. By Runway on Feb 8, 2013 | Reply

    Jonesy– Seattle is in the NFC. I said Flacco is one of the top in the AFC. Brady and Manning may be better, but not many others. And Kapernick, for his amount of playing time. has shown he is of elite quality– whether he maintains it for any duration, remains to be seen. But the young man may be the best to have ever played the position if he improves from where he is– mark my words.

  15. By Runway on Feb 8, 2013 | Reply

    Take away the QB is like taking the hub out of a wheel. See how far you travel.

  16. By Spencer on Feb 8, 2013 | Reply

    By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Feb 8, 2013 | Reply

    Wow, this is news? The stadium will be built by people?
    ————————————————————————————

    Lmao.

  17. By Carl K on Feb 8, 2013 | Reply

    @Titus- Is one of your colleagues Johnny Orr?

  18. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Feb 8, 2013 | Reply

    No, but then again, I would never give away any actual names on here. That would be unprofessional.

  19. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Feb 8, 2013 | Reply

    Spencer, you like that one? Ha ha ha.

  20. By Carl K on Feb 8, 2013 | Reply

    I think I have unlocked the mystery of your identity. I will keep it our secret.

  21. By Carl K on Feb 8, 2013 | Reply

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/08/singletary-interviews-for-rams-defensive-coordinator-position/

    Good luck Mike.
    We are headed in the right direction when other teams want to interview our coaches.

  22. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Feb 8, 2013 | Reply

    No Carl– you have no idea– my colleague is working on a purely hypothetical way– as in a case study. So, you have no clue as to my associations. Trust me on that one.

  23. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Feb 8, 2013 | Reply

    in* Sorry.

  24. By Frederick Jones on Feb 8, 2013 | Reply

    *

  25. By Frederick Jones on Feb 8, 2013 | Reply

    @Runway,

    Do you allow blocking in your pickup games? If not, then Jones can never make you understand the true value of the QB.

  26. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Feb 8, 2013 | Reply

    Jonesy, Jonesy. Not nice to fool with the emperor.

  27. By Frederick Jones on Feb 8, 2013 | Reply

    @Runway,

    Wouldn’t it be nice if announcers would tell us what we can’t see, rather than what is obvious?

    Jones can see that the QB is a wonderful faker, and loves is Mommy. Show us the blocking BY THE LINEMEN (they always show the wonderful fullback—whoopdedoo).

    Show us how the TE or WRs got open. Show us what the backs did.
    Heaven help us…show what the defense did on that great play. Don’t just tell us that Green loves his pappy! C’mon man!!!

    IT’S NOT ALL ABOUT THE QUARTERBACK!!!

  28. By Frederick Jones on Feb 8, 2013 | Reply

    @Runway,

    …otherwise football becomes just another fakey all-star wrestling match, or a silly, childish MMA.

  29. By Frederick Jones on Feb 8, 2013 | Reply

    @Titus,

    Did you know that there was a TV show called Titus?

  30. By Runway on Feb 8, 2013 | Reply

    Jones– we do hear about all the other players– do you have your TV on mute????!!!!!!!???? Ray Lewis gets the spotlight after every game– more than Flacco.

  31. By Carl K on Feb 8, 2013 | Reply

    I am from Indiana… Of coarse I don’t have a clue as to who you are.

    Your attitude on this site leads me to picture you as a somewhat prominent writer in the St Paul area. Maybe active in the local sports community as a leader or director in some form… Maybe academic athletics?

    Anyway, I could picture you that way… or I could go back to my first impression of you being a know-it-all who lives in his parents basement.

  32. By tdurfeightyeight on Feb 8, 2013 | Reply

    Sooo what you’re trying to say is…the stadium will take up more time to be completed? Where are all the one’s like D.R.S. is at?

  33. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Feb 8, 2013 | Reply

    Carl, ha ha ha- not even close on any account. Especially the basement part–
    How is South Bend?

  34. By Frederick Jones on Feb 8, 2013 | Reply

    @Runway,

    The Ray Lewis (although jones enjoyed the story, and the run by the Baltimore Ravens) is quite similar to when the Pittsburgh Steelers won their first Super Bowl in the early 1970s.

    Fred called that one the Rooney Bowl because it was so over-hyped. That is what the jonesboy is preaching…tell us about things we cannot see.

    Jones is taking all your fun away. But reality it just ain’t Brady vs Rodgers no matter how much you want it to be.

    It’s also unfair to call it Ponder vs Sanchez or Ponder vs Manning. It’s not true, it’s just hype.

  35. By Frederick Jones on Feb 8, 2013 | Reply

    Guards
    Linebackers
    Defensive Tackles
    Wide Receivers

  36. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Feb 8, 2013 | Reply

    Jonesy– do you know who Runway is?

  37. By Carl K on Feb 8, 2013 | Reply

    @Titus- Here’s Johnny Orr is a book I thought you might know something about. I was wrong.

    South Bend is fine… I have a girlfriend there. She says she loves me. I met her on the Internet.

  38. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Feb 8, 2013 | Reply

    HA HA HA HA–Carl, now we know who YOU really are!!

  39. By tdurfeightyeight on Feb 8, 2013 | Reply

    1st rd. possibilities
    W.R.-Hopkins-Clem.
    -Allen-Cal.
    -Patterson-Tenn.
    Allen and Patterson will be gone by the time we pick.

    O.G.-Cooper-N.Car.
    I would be happy with this pick.

    D.T.-Hankins-Ohio St.
    -Williams-Bama
    Williams is a Kevin Williams clone.

    L.B.-Ogletree-Bama
    -T’eo-Irish
    but Is Manti Koo-Koo for koko puffs?

  40. By northwoodsv2 on Feb 8, 2013 | Reply

    Hey Fred,

    Colts 2002-2010, Colts 2011, Colts 2012.

    Yeah, you’re right…….a great QB won’t make a team great…..what was I thinking.

  41. By Northern Norseman on Feb 8, 2013 | Reply

    @Titus

    I hear you. I was just messing around is all

  42. By RichardA1 on Feb 8, 2013 | Reply

    Ah Ha, Harvin had a blow out with the coach, there was no injury, he basically got taken off the team! as the news says. They are trying to trade him, some one wants to get him, with a coach he gets along with.

  43. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Feb 8, 2013 | Reply

    NN– me too– I am just goofing around.

  44. By Wraith4912 on Feb 8, 2013 | Reply

    See! It’s moves like this that cause bridges and roofs to collapse.

  45. By GrandDaddyPurp on Feb 9, 2013 | Reply

    PAY PONDER

  46. By GrandDaddyPurp on Feb 9, 2013 | Reply

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1519868-2013-nfl-draft-prospects-who-were-born-to-play-for-the-vikings

  47. By WRHopkins2013 on Feb 9, 2013 | Reply

    http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/53068/spielmans-non-answers-on-percy-harvin

  48. By WRHopkins2013 on Feb 9, 2013 | Reply

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1519201-nfl-draft-2013-should-vikings-covet-cordarrelle-patterson-or-keenan-allen

  49. By Carl K on Feb 9, 2013 | Reply

    I believe the Vikings already have an acceptable offer in place that Harvin is happy with… why?

    Because if the Vikings were still shopping him around… Don’t you think Spielman and Frazier would be building Harvin up as a great team player and a Coach’s friend rather than a Coach’s pain in the neck?

    Both sides don’t seem to care about fixing what ever the problem is or even moving forward. So I think the writing is already on the wall.

    When Harvin asked to be traded in the spring… I think the Vikings and Harvin got a very good idea what teams were interested and what offers were on the table. The offers may have been ok, but not acceptable then. Late in the season all sides probably agreed to go ahead with the trade next time they get a chance.

    That is what I think is going on… I probably need to get deadspin on the story to figure out what teams wanted Harvin and what offers were put on the table.
    After his early season MVP like performance, some of those offer might have went up a little… and maybe the Vikings just couldn’t pull the trigger before the trading deadline.

  50. By Carl K on Feb 9, 2013 | Reply

    Harvin’s images has been tarnish by writers since the sideline confrontation with Frazier.

    My question is if the Vikings are shopping him for trade value, wouldn’t you do some damage control and build him up a little.

    Or maybe they want Harvin to return and play out his final year… Again a little damage control and positive PR for Harvin wouldn’t hurt.

    The Vikings appear to be doing nothing and that has me wondering why????

  51. By Champ Henson on Feb 9, 2013 | Reply

    31 days until FA.
    75 days until draft day.

  52. By Champ Henson on Feb 9, 2013 | Reply

    The vikings have their developmental QB in Thompson, and they have their back up QB in Ponder. They need to draft the real franchise QB in April – E.J. Manuel.

  53. By DRS. on Feb 9, 2013 | Reply

    Say yes to a pure NFL Stadium, say no to a multi use stadium, and say no to a baseball / football stadium, all you get then is metro dump 2.0

  54. By DRS. on Feb 9, 2013 | Reply

    Minnesota Vikings Stadium: Sparring Over Baseball

    By Christopher Gates on Jan 27, 6:37a

    http://www.dailynorseman.com/2013/1/27/3920788/minnesota-vikings-stadium-sparring-over-baseball

  55. By BlueBird7 on Feb 9, 2013 | Reply

    Give Joe Webb a Full Year, like Golden Boy Ponder.

  56. By Jones on Feb 9, 2013 | Reply

    Ya Titus, I know who Runway is.. Kluwe in drag.

  57. By DRS. on Feb 9, 2013 | Reply

    Vikings, Stadium Authority at odds over baseball at new stadium

    10:32 PM, Jan 29, 2013

    http://www.kare11.com/news/article/1008401/391/Vikings-Stadium-Authority-at-odds-over-baseball-at-new-stadium

  58. By die hard 67 on Feb 9, 2013 | Reply

    @bluebird7 , you need to snap the F out of it son !!!!!!!!!!!

  59. By Northern Norseman on Feb 9, 2013 | Reply

    @ Champ Henson

    WILL NOT HAPPEN!

    Ponder is our guy next year whether people like it or not.

    The Vikings will not draft a QB even remotely high in the draft.

    If after this next year Ponder tanks the season then we will move on.

    Until after this year nothing will happen.

    Ponder is our CURRENT future QB!

    End of story….. move on!

  60. By DRS. on Feb 9, 2013 | Reply

    Baseball dispute could delay Vikings’ stadium

    http://www.kttc.com/story/20719127/2013/01/27/baseball-dispute-could-delay-vikings-stadium

  61. By DRS. on Feb 9, 2013 | Reply

    I am starting to think there will be no new Stadium in Minnesota for years to come. With all this baseball stuff and any law suit’s to come out of it.

  62. By DRS. on Feb 9, 2013 | Reply

    Oh-well, have a great day.

  63. By Champ Henson on Feb 9, 2013 | Reply

    Northern Norseman….thanks for your comment. And I agree, Speilman will go with Ponder next season no matter what because he has no choice when it comes to keeping his ego in tact. I was just saying that every successful team has a franchise quarterback – which the vikings do not have at this time. And rather than bringing in a has been to back up Ponder it makes more sense to improve through the draft. Washington had the right idea by drafting 2 qb’s last year. Do you really want to end up with a Tavaris Jackson, Rex Grossman or or some other cast off?

  64. By Champ Henson on Feb 9, 2013 | Reply

    Only in Minnesota would a professional state of the art football stadium also be mandated for use as as a spring practice shelter for high school and college teams.

  65. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Feb 9, 2013 | Reply

    Yes, this state thinks it competes with the big boys, but underneath its facade a mediocre mentality is healthy and thriving as usual. Might as well keep the dome up– maybe we could paint the concrete on the outside — nice upgrade.

  66. By Northern Norseman on Feb 9, 2013 | Reply

    @DRS

    I will be soooooooo infuriated if the Gopher Baseball program messes this all up.

    I really hope the Vikings owners stand strong and the state sides with them.

    Go figure out your own problems Gophs.

    You severely already over-charge students at one of the largest student bodied colleges in the entire nation!!!

    St. Paul Saints have their stadium that is pretty nice. Toss in some money to help renovate it and call it a day.

    It’s not the Vikings and Gophers stadium…. its the Vikings stadium!

    The Vikings have been pushing for a stadium for years and what the does the Gopher baseball program bring to the state….. nearly nothing. I am a Gopher fan but this is getting ridiculous.

    If the Gopher baseball program was among the best in the nation then I could see their argument BUT THEY ARE NOT!!!

    They never ever will be! In fact, there isn’t even remotely close to a northern team in the top 35 in the national rankings. So quite acting like your almighty baseball program is entitled because you’ll always be playing in the basement anways.

  67. By Champ Henson on Feb 9, 2013 | Reply

    Northern Norseman….WELL SAID!!!

  68. By Champ Henson on Feb 9, 2013 | Reply

    With all the money tax payers throw at the U its rediculous that thay should have to stick their nose into the viking stadium situation. The Saints stadium would be available, the twins stadium would be available, the gopher football stadium is available, the U has field houses available…KEEP YOUR NOSE OUT OF THE FOOTBALL STADIUM!!!!

  69. By Northern Norseman on Feb 9, 2013 | Reply

    @Champ Henson
    (note I am not ripping you…. just ranting. Ha if that makes sense?)

    I see what you’re saying and I agree to some extent but for the most part I don’t think you see the whole picture.

    You give Washington as an example which, to me, doesn’t relate. Let me break down why it’s not a good comparison.

    1. They had absolutely had no QB at all…. none. So of course they were guaranteed to take at least 1 QB and they decided they were in so much trouble at the position they took another. The Vikings are not even close to that type of situation.

    2. Robert Griffen III was one of the best QBs to come out in a decade. So of course there was a good chance that would make their “drafting of QBs” work out well. Show me a Robert Griffen player in this draft that would be available for the Vikings and ‘maybe’ we’ll discuss some options. (Note: there is none…. not even close)

    3. Kirk Cousins was also a decent QB going into the NFL draft. Being Griffins past injury concerns and his physical playing style they knew they needed another person just in case. Cousins has played a little but the jury is still out there if Cousins is even remotely close to being a starting QB in the NFL. (This years QB class is even worse and you want to spend a high pick… rounds 1-3… even 4….. on a QB when you could use that for another position of need?!?)

    Now besides all that…..

    Drafting a QB in rounds 1-4 would be an absolute waste.

    Why?

    Because the jury is still out for Ponder that has the chance to become the long term future QB for this team.

    This next year is his final exam. Let’s give him all the tools possible and give the team overall some upgrades to see how this team can really look.

    Let’s say you do draft a QB in the first 4 rounds and Ponder becomes the future QB we hope for him to be. Now what?

    Now you have just wasted a draft selection on a QB when it could have been used for a G, WR, DT, LB, CB, or S to make your team better at other positions.

    Then trade the drafted QB?….. Well you can almost be guaranteed you’ll see less value back from him then what you initially gave up to get him with.

    Now let’s say you drafted a QB rounds 1-4 and Ponder tanks the season………

    I would much rather wait until next years draft class when the QB position is a lot stronger. Also, if Ponder tanks then chances are we are selecting higher making our chance of landing a great QB even better.

    That way instead of the QB you want in this years draft could be used for another position of need. That player would be going on his second year helping the team with the even better QB prospect that would be hypothetically taken in next years draft given that Ponder tanks.

    People need to stop romanticizing the possibility of going after a QB high in this draft. Is it possible? Yes … draft day is crazy so it could happen but that is not the point. People are going out their way to protest that it’s time to find a new QB. I can almost guarantee that that it won’t happen and that people should except that.

    We have 2 young QBs… bring in a vet in free agency to help mentor for this next season. In case Ponder gets injured (like he was in the playoffs) we have a vet that can step in for 1 game or 2 to push for the win. Even getting a look at McCloud Thompson in a game situation would be worth it. Throwing in a first-half drafted QB rookie would stress the whole situation.

    Wait one more year….. evaluate Ponder….. go from there.

  70. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Feb 9, 2013 | Reply

    Don’t diss the U, NN!

  71. By Northern Norseman on Feb 9, 2013 | Reply

    @Titus

    If i dissed the U then my apologies.

    Im a big fan of the Gophers but I am not a fan of the stadium situation that the Gophers are involved with.

  72. By Champ Henson on Feb 9, 2013 | Reply

    Northern Norseman…..I agree with what you just said….you put a lot of thought into your opinion. I just worry that if Ponder tanks next season be will be back having to use a “has-been” for a couple of (more) years while we finally draft and develop another qb. Very scary thought in a sport where a top QB is such a necessity. I’m really hoping Thompson steps up big time when his chance arrives and puts an end to the problem.

  73. By Champ Henson on Feb 9, 2013 | Reply

    Titus…RE Gophers.
    The Gophers wanted their own “on campus” football stadium.
    Why don’t they want their other sports “on campus”?
    The Gophers football team could have played in the new “football” stadium and the tax payers could have built them a baseball field for a lot less than the cost of the football stadium.

  74. By Northern Norseman on Feb 9, 2013 | Reply

    @Champ Henson

    I agree.

    That is the one down side. Starting back to square one again is not fun.

    If Ponder tanks we will be back at square one either way.

    It’s just a matter of how you want to start back at square one……

    Now would you rather start at square one with a QB that you took 3rd-4th round in this years weak QB draft class OR draft a QB in round 1 next year in a stronger QB draft class? (note: Ponder tanks next year and we will be much higher in the draft giving the Vikings an even better chance to get a good QB)

    I would opt with the QB in next years draft. (Again, assuming Ponder tanks)

    This year broke the record for most underclassmen opting for the NFL draft. In other words…. it’s a deep draft class.

    Let’s use this deep draft class to upgrade the team as much as possible.

  75. By Northern Norseman on Feb 9, 2013 | Reply

    Also….

    There are some dark horse QBs that a team could get in rounds 6-7.

    QB Seth Doege of Texas Tech
    and
    QB Jeff Tuel of Washington St.

  76. By Champ Henson on Feb 9, 2013 | Reply

    Any prospect would be better than a “has-been” . There will be plenty of cast-offs available at any one time.

  77. By Champ Henson on Feb 9, 2013 | Reply

    I would at least use a compensitory pick on a QB….but thats just the way I would do it.

  78. By Northern Norseman on Feb 9, 2013 | Reply

    @Champ Henson

    Yeah but having even just one vet QB on the roster can help speed up the process for the younger players.

    In terms of actually starting and providing a possible future…..

    Then I agree having a prospect is much better than having a “has-been”.

    Right now we have 2 QBs that are prospect/project/work-in-progress type players. (Ponder/McCloud Thompson) So I am really okay rolling with those 2 while bringing in 1 drafted/undrafted prospect and 1 veteran free agent to compete.

    For example come football camp the QB competition could look like this:
    -Christian Ponder
    -McCloud Thompson
    -Drafted/Undrafted: Matt Tuel
    -Free agent: Tyler Thigpen/Matt Leinart/Matt Moore

    That is something I’d like to see going into camp

  79. By Northern Norseman on Feb 9, 2013 | Reply

    @Champ

    A “compensatory” draft pick is still a draft pick. That doesn’t really matter. It is basically a fancy word for a regular draft pick. They hold the same value as if it was a “regular” draft pick at the same spot.

    Bottom line it matters where you take a QB. There is no easing of pain simply because you drafted a player with your “compensatory” pick. Just because it is an extra pick the league gave you shouldn’t mean it can be seen as gambling/whatever type pick.

    If you use a 3rd round compensatory draft pick on a player…. its still a 3rd round draft pick no matter how you look at it.

    Sorry its just the way you worded that statement that errked me. As if you wouldn’t dare spending (just for example sake) the #120th pick on a QB but… wait… since its a “compensatory” draft pick…. why not? Draft the QB…. it’s just a compensatory pick.

  80. By Champ Henson on Feb 9, 2013 | Reply

    Northern Norseman…..sorry man, didn’t mean to erk you.

  81. By BlueBird7 on Feb 9, 2013 | Reply

    die hard 67

    Snap out of it? naaaa you snap on prettyboy Ponder. He will flop this year.

    Why not train Webb and/or MBT. You should get your head out of the sand.

    Ponder will not ever take the Vikings anyehere except down the toilet.

  82. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Feb 9, 2013 | Reply

    Bluebird is Fred Jones in disguise.

  83. By BlueBird7 on Feb 9, 2013 | Reply

    anywhere is not in his game plan

  84. By BlueBird7 on Feb 9, 2013 | Reply

    Titus is not anybody in disguise, he is just there to torment.

  85. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Feb 9, 2013 | Reply

    Bluebird I am here to escalate the standards.

  86. By Shawn on Feb 9, 2013 | Reply

    aww come on … lets start free agency already …. seasons been over for 6 days already

  87. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Feb 9, 2013 | Reply

    What’s up, Shawn?

  88. By Shawn on Feb 9, 2013 | Reply

    Hey Titus … hows it going?

    My bike got stolen while I was at the gym about a week and 1/2 ago.

    I called the cops and they said they wont come out for a stolen bike.

    So I decided to start a game of musical bikes in Vegas … its similar to the game we played as kids called musical chairs :)

  89. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Feb 9, 2013 | Reply

    Dang! I heard the same here in Mpls to another extreme– if you get hit by a car, they don’t care or think they have resources to follow up on it– but the person who told me that is a tad paranoid. I would be ticked– you pay for the cops and then they won’t respond for stolen property? Huh? Shaking my head on that one.

  90. By Shawn on Feb 9, 2013 | Reply

    It wouldnt surprise me on a minor accident but no way can they not show for a broken bone … you would hope anyway. I wouldnt put anything past the jokestice system though.

    Of course I didnt start a game of musical bikes but it was my first thought when they said they werent coming. My second thought was if I was a corporation and someone stole a candy bar the cops would show up 2-3 deep but as a nobody citizen and a 4-500 dollar bike means nothing.

  91. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Feb 9, 2013 | Reply

    Oh no, stop with the corporate conspiracy theories. Is Parkway hiding nearby?

  92. By Shawn on Feb 9, 2013 | Reply

    Some theories become fact once researched

  93. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Feb 9, 2013 | Reply

    Anything you look for will be found.

  94. By Shawn on Feb 9, 2013 | Reply

    profound

  95. By Shawn on Feb 9, 2013 | Reply

    Although Ive been looking for my QTips for like a week …. cant figure it out

  96. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Feb 9, 2013 | Reply

    Look in your ears.

  97. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Feb 9, 2013 | Reply

    When the QTip touches the wall, you know it is time to turn the corner.

  98. By GrandDaddyPurp on Feb 9, 2013 | Reply

    PAY PONDER!

  99. By Carl K on Feb 9, 2013 | Reply

    Does anyone know why a bike can’t stand up on its own?

  100. By Northern Norseman on Feb 9, 2013 | Reply

    @Champ

    Ha no no you’re all good. I just had to unscramble my thoughts.

  101. By Carl K on Feb 9, 2013 | Reply

    because it is 2 tired

  102. By Shawn on Feb 9, 2013 | Reply

    The USA should invade the USA and win the hearts and minds of the population by building roads, bridges, and putting locals to work.

  103. By Northern Norseman on Feb 9, 2013 | Reply

    @GrandDaddyPurp

    Haha so explain your “Pay Ponder” bit…..

    I couldn’t help but to noticed your aggressive campaigning as of late.

  104. By Northern Norseman on Feb 9, 2013 | Reply

    @Carl K

    HA! I’ll put that one in my back pocket for when the mood is dull and needs a cheesy moment.

    Thanks for the ammo!

  105. By RichardA1 on Feb 9, 2013 | Reply

    The gophers basketball arena-1927 built, a old barn! they have a reason to ask for a new arena!

  106. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Feb 9, 2013 | Reply

    So true Shawn.

  107. By GrandDaddyPurp on Feb 9, 2013 | Reply

    PAY PETERSON

  108. By GrandDaddyPurp on Feb 9, 2013 | Reply

    Just give him all the money!

  109. By BlueBird7 on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    People (Titus) who think they (Titus again) know everything are very irritatting
    to those of us that do.

  110. By Frederick Jones on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    @northwoodsv2,

    Yeah…Broncos 2011 won a playoff game. In 2012 obtained Peyton Manning, possibly the greatest QB of all time…guess what they didn’t even win ONE playoff game!

  111. By Frederick Jones on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    By BlueBird7 on Feb 9, 2013 | Reply

    Give Joe Webb a Full Year, like Golden Boy Ponder.

    By Frederick Jones

    Give Joe Webb a Full Year, like Golden Boy Ponder

    We are backing the right horse!!!

  112. By Frederick Jones on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    @Northwoodsv2,

    Fran Tarkenton, Kurt Warner, Babe Parilli, Norm Snead, Donavan McNabb, Warren Moon, Joe Namath, John Hadl, and yes even the great Joe Montana all went up in smoke when they were traded to another team at one time in their careers!!!

    The QB position is the most dominant position in the main pro sports (NFL, NBA, NHL, and MLB). BUT and B U T football is a TEAM sport.

    IT IS NOT ALL ABOUT THE QUARTERBACK!!!

  113. By Frederick Jones on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    Hey Northwoods are you out there??

  114. By WRHopkins2013 on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1522828-which-wide-receiver-prospects-fit-best-with-minnesota-vikings#/articles/1522828-which-wide-receiver-prospects-fit-best-with-minnesota-vikings

  115. By vikes- or - die on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    There is talk of us trading Harvin. Mabey someone will give up their first round pick for him.

  116. By BlueBird7 on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    What????? No mention of Joe Webb? All the yelling and screaming about him.

    hmmmmmmmm.

  117. By BlueBird7 on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    WR Hoppy

    What’s with all the “prospects” bit.Why not just coach the recievers now on board?

  118. By BlueBird7 on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    Harvin is NOT going anywhere! Even if the Head office sends him away, Shame!

    If that were to be the case then just flush Frazier down the Thunder-Mug!

  119. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    I agree– I doubt we trade Harvin- he is way too good a player.

  120. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    Bluebird, I don’t know it all. It just seems that way to the average person.

  121. By Carl K on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    Spielman was asked on KFAN if Harvin would be back. The interview is posted in the audio pod cast area.

    Spielman did NOT say he would love to have Percy back or that Percy is part of our plan moving forward.

    Rick danced around the question by saying that Harvin is a blue chip game changer like AP and that we are lucky to have both of them.

  122. By WRHopkins2013 on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    Harvin is in Florida…Harvin has been in Florida since being on IR…The only reason he came back to Minnesota…Was to get (league mandatory) season ending physical…
    So he could turn right back around run down to Florida…

    That physical proves Harvin is in top physical health…And no lingering health issues…( Maybe even a physical that was set up in conjunction with a team wanting to trade for Harvin? )…

    Not only do I believe Harvin has a 0% chance of staying in Minnesota this coming fall…I think there is a 80% chance the team Harvin is traded to will be in Florida…With “maybe” the Jags and the Dolphins leading the bidding for Harvins services…

    If Spielman can not get a 1st round pick or at the very least a second round pick for Harvin…This Harvin situation is going to get messy…imo…

  123. By Carl K on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    Harvin is too good to trade… I will agree…
    but
    He is also too good to put on IR – 4 weeks into a minor ankle – during a playoff run.

  124. By BlueBird7 on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    You could have fooled me………………

  125. By BlueBird7 on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    Just in case nobody know what a “Thuder Mug” is. It is that thing you set on.

    While reading the comics in the morning.

  126. By BlueBird7 on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    I am a tad above average, Titus.

  127. By BlueBird7 on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    Yes, I know. It is called a Thunder Mug..

  128. By Carl K on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    I agree with WRhopkins- 0 chance he returns. But I think Harvin’s new team will be the Patriots.

    They are very good at keeping the media out trade rumors. Harvin could put up crazy numbers with Brady.

    Danny Woodhead and Wes Welker are both free agents… Harvin could replace both of those guys.

    The timing for a Harvin trade is actually better for both teams now than it was in the spring or just before the trade deadline last season.

  129. By WRHopkins2013 on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    By Carl K on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    I agree with WRhopkins- 0 chance he returns. But I think Harvin’s new team will be the Patriots.

    They are very good at keeping the media out trade rumors. Harvin could put up crazy numbers with Brady.

    Danny Woodhead and Wes Welker are both free agents… Harvin could replace both of those guys.

    The timing for a Harvin trade is actually better for both teams now than it was in the spring or just before the trade deadline last season.

    _____________________________

    I considered the Pats also…Still do…

    But rule it out for 2 reasons…Pats hate paying players…Even good ones…
    The other reason…Its still a cold weather state…I think Harvin wants to be in Florida…

    But one reason I think Harvin could have interest in the Pats…He would respect the Hoody…And it was a team where Moss went…And Moss is an idle of the Harvin’s…

  130. By WRHopkins2013 on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    Stadium front…Sounds like 2 years at TCF…
    2014 and 2015 seasons outdoors ???… ;-)

    http://min.scout.com/2/1265653.html

  131. By Parkway on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    People are still b*tching about Harvin? Give it a rest he’ll be in purple this season

  132. By WRHopkins2013 on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1523106-buying-or-selling-drafts-top-25-players-as-franchise-cornerstones

  133. By WRHopkins2013 on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1522540-nfl-free-agency-should-the-vikings-bring-back-jerome-simpson

  134. By Parkway on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    Rodgers the best QB at the skills challenge so far

  135. By vikes- or - die on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    Ya I hate to see Harvin get traded. But I also really can’t stand players that are problematic. If Harvin is being a pain in the butt I would like to see him traded. He has great talent no dought, but football is a team sport and chemistry is huge.

  136. By BlueBird7 on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    All the people that want Percy Harvin traded. None of you can really come up with a valid reason. Has anybody in the Vikings Locker room spoken of
    Harvin ever causing trouble? Has any of the players shown ill will towards him?

    All that I have seen, is Harvin wanting the Vilings to WIN. And he has showen this himself, by the way he plays!! All of you stick up for Ponder .How about
    All of you sticking up for that GREAT LITTLE GUY that wears number 12!!!

  137. By BlueBird7 on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    Yes, and he wants the VIKINGS to win also..

  138. By Parkway on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    Yeah if anyone is a problem in the locker room it’s Ponder, not studying tape, not staying late, not figuring out how to study tape til the end of the season, not playing hurt for the team.

    Get rid of Ponder before you get rid of the best slot WR in the league.

  139. By Champ Henson on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    Right on Parkway….I remember during the preseason games how Ponder strutted around on the sidelines like he was a star QB, and turning his back and walking away from Mustgrave when the coach was trying to teach him something.
    It is a huge mistake by Frazier and Spielman to keep saying that Ponder is the starting qb. The position should be open competition and competition should be brought in.

  140. By Frederick Jones on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    Dear Northwoodsv2,

    Fran Tarkenton, Kurt Warner, Babe Parilli, Norm Snead, Donavan McNabb, Warren Moon, Joe Namath, John Hadl, and yes even the great Joe Montana all went up in smoke when they were traded to another team at one time in their careers!!!

    The QB position is the most dominant position in the main pro sports (NFL, NBA, NHL, and MLB). BUT and B U T football is a TEAM sport.

    IT IS NOT ALL ABOUT THE QUARTERBACK!!!

  141. By Champ Henson on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    Harvins problem is that he can see bad qb play and bad coaching when it happens.

  142. By Frederick Jones on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    @Parkway,

    They said on KFan that Ponder was willing to play but that the Vikings coaching staff felt that he could not make the throws needed to play quarterback.

    The thing that kills the jonesboy is WHY didn’t they allow Joe Webb to practice with the 1st team that week? (Apparently he was not allowed to practice with the first team)

    THAT is incompetant coaching even if it’s Frazier or Bud Grant coaching. No reason for such tomfoolery!

  143. By Frederick Jones on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    @Champ,

    No, Harvin’s problem is that he couldn’t control his emotions. A winner has to be able to do that! He should have talked about it behind closed doors, and if he already did then he has to be a good teammate during the game.

    But don’t worry, he’ll get another chance, whether in MN or elsewhere.

  144. By Frederick Jones on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    Champ,

    The Vikings silence on the Harvin situation says that they would like to trade him if they could get a good value from another team. But they also know that this will be difficult.

    No news is good news in this case.

    Remember the “Randy Ratio” as advertised by Mike Tice. I couldn’t believe he let that one slip out of his mouth!

  145. By Northern Norseman on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    @BlueBird7

    Completely agree!

    Has Percy Harvin had any serious off the field problems?…… NO

    Is there any concern with his worth ethic be it film room, practice, gameday?…..NO

    Coaches and players have all said how nice of a person Percy Harvin can be. They add that he is one of the hardest workers on the entire team and brings it everyday.

    Percy Harvin even won a media award last year for being the easiest person to work with when it comes to interaction with the media.

    Has he had some attitude with a coach or player?…. Sure he has. You want your serious competitors to have a little oomph to them.

    The only single gripe on Harvin is his “attitude”. Really people?!?!

    If you told any head coach in the NFL that they could have an MVP caliber player in Percy Harvin and the only thing they would have to worry about is a little ‘attitude…… they would be crying tears of joy.

    Besides he is only 24 years old! He seriously has another fantastic 5-6 years ahead. Let the kid grow up a little. Give him time. Let him mature in to an older and wiser man.

    There are other teams dealing with DUI’s, arrests, rapes, alcohol & drug problems, steroids, gun control, ‘serious’ locker room drama, not showing up, effort issues….. and so on. Percy Harvin is non of that and we should be blessed because of it.

    Percy Harvin is an MVP caliber player and you simply do not get rid of those players just because of an ‘attitude’ they may have.

    Keep Percy Harvin or otherwise regret it for years to come.

    (note: the absolute least I would accept for Percy Harvin, in a trade, is two 1st rounders and one 3rd rounder. If you want me to explain why I will but I would not be happy with anything less.)

  146. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    I have to say when analyzing Spielman on KFAN that he appeared to be sidestepping the issue. He did not, in any way, indicate Harvin will be on the team. In fact, he hyped Harvin up– why not? You certainly are not going to say anything– I mean anything bad about him– you want the highest trade value. I say Harvin plays somewhere else this fall. Mark my words.

  147. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    Bluebird, you are above average in complaining.

  148. By Northern Norseman on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    @Parkway

    I generally have respect for what you say but that was just stupid.

    How on earth could you have the audacity to claim that Ponder doesn’t put in the time or knows how to study for film, practice hard, dedicate himself in the weight room, staying late, ect.?!?!

    Do you have wine bottle candle-lit dinners with Ponder’s friends/teamates/coaches that spread gossip about his severe cancer-like effect on the team?

    A problem in the locker room?
    As far as I am concerned his personality meshes well with others. He isn’t stand-offish…. he isn’t disturbingly arrogant…. he isn’t absurdly shy…. he isn’t a low-IQ guy….. and more.

    If I had heard anything, from multiple sources, is that he puts plenty of time into film and working out. That he a serious competitor. A likable teammate.

    Even going back to his Florida St. days, Coach Fisher (not NFL but they did run a complex pro-style offense) said that Ponder would come to him with whole lists of game plan adjustments that he would have figured out through film leading up to game day. Fisher even said they could make dramatic changes at half-time because he was smart enough to handle the change of concepts in prep for the 2nd half.

    Also, if you think Ponder was a coward for not playing in the playoff game against the Packers….. then I could care less to explain to you the reason why things played out the way it did. It’s obvious football knowledge to know why it wasn’t smart to put Ponder in the game at that specific moment in time. (note: Are you a trainer or coach that saw Ponder first hand to know what his health status was and his ability to play effective against the Packers? Please…. what a joke.)

  149. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    Ponder will surprise all the naysayers this coming year– that I can guarantee.

  150. By Parkway on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    NN you are way off. It was along the same lines as all of the Harvin nonsense. We saw him get mad at Frazier once after a bad playcall, big deal.

    Ponder never studies pictures or talks to his coordinators after a drive. We saw it all season long. He only admitted to finally watching himself on tape for the first time at the end of the season. That is sending the wrong message to the rest of the locker room that is is okay not to try.

    And then to not show up in the biggest game of his career. Pathetic.

  151. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    Sometimes the people who seem to take a little longer to develop are the really great ones– they tend to analyze and need to know every detail — they appear at times to be slow– but at the end of the day they become masters at their craft. History is full of such examples– and I know a few personally.

  152. By Parkway on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    And when you already have a great one on your team (Harvin) you don’t trade him.

  153. By Nicholas on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    What kind of trade value does Harvin hold anyway? Could we get a first rounder and more for him?

  154. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    Define great.

  155. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    Does greatness include respect?

  156. By Northern Norseman on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    @Titus

    I agree with what you say about the Spielman bit.

    The thing about that, though, is that’s just the way Spielman operates. In fact, that is the way nearly every GM operates.

    If I am playing GM for the moment…..

    I would know in my mind that I am nearly completely certain that Percy Harvin is a very integral part of future plans with the team.

    I would, also, be very hesitant to give any definitive answer on the subject. That is because the media can blow things sooooo far out of perspective. Not to mention how players within the team can interpret the message the wrong way causing another different storm in itself.

    Let’s say that Spielman said that without a doubt he was 100% sure Percy Harvin would be back in a Vikings uniform. Then somewhere in the league a team could have been ready to throw the kitchen to get Harvin suddenly decides to not offer since GM Rick Spielman supposedly has no interest in moving him.

    So you want to keep options open in case some ridiculous Robert Griffen/Hershal Walker type trade is proposed by another team. (That goes along with the reason of hyping/talking-up that you addressed in your post.)

    You also do not want to say whether he is staying with the team or isn’t. You don’t want to become a speaker for another player as that player may feel you’re stepping on his feet and they don’t feel like they’re completely representing themselves. It’s just simply good damage control from all sides to have “sidestepping” like answers in a situation like this.

    Personally I think Percy Harvin will be a Vikings this next year but if I was given an opportunity to difficult to let slide by with a trade…. that changes things. Besides the trade hypothetical, it severely difficult for me to envision the team ‘trying’ to move Percy Harvin out of town given the MVP type player he is.

  157. By Northern Norseman on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    @Titus

    I agree with what you say about the Spielman bit.

    The thing about that, though, is that’s just the way Spielman operates. In fact, that is the way nearly every GM operates.

    If I am playing GM for the moment…….

    I would know in my mind that I am nearly completely certain that Percy Harvin is a very integral part of future plans with the team.

    I would, also, be very hesitant to give any definitive answer on the subject. That is because the media can blow things sooooo far out of perspective. Not to mention how players within the team can interpret the message the wrong way causing another different storm in itself.

    Let’s say that Spielman said that without a doubt he was 100% sure Percy Harvin would be back in a Vikings uniform. Then somewhere in the league a team could have been ready to throw the kitchen to get Harvin suddenly decides to not offer since GM Rick Spielman supposedly has no interest in moving him.

    So you want to keep options open in case some ridiculous Robert Griffen/Hershal Walker type trade is proposed by another team. (That goes along with the reason of hyping/talking-up that you addressed in your post.)

    You also do not want to say whether he is staying with the team or isn’t. You don’t want to become a speaker for another player as that player may feel you’re stepping on his feet and they don’t feel like they’re completely representing themselves. It’s just simply good damage control from all sides to have “sidestepping” like answers in a situation like this.

    Personally I think Percy Harvin will be a Vikings this next year but if I was given an opportunity to difficult to let slide by with a trade…. that changes things. Besides the trade hypothetical, it severely difficult for me to envision the team ‘trying’ to move Percy Harvin out of town given the MVP type player he is.

  158. By Northern Norseman on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    My apologies…. not sure why that double-posted :S

  159. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    NN– I agree with you — if you scroll up, earlier I said there is no way Harvin is traded. I have a confession– I listened to Spielman before I posted either one of those comments. My point is– it could go either way. Difficult to tell.

  160. By Northern Norseman on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    @Parkway

    You are completely delusional if you don’t think that nearly 100% of NFL QB’s watch themselves on film.

    You can honestly sit there and think a NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE TEAM would let their STARTING QB to wait until the end of the season to watch himself on film?!?!?

    Ha I am sorry but that is absolutely absurd.

    Also, please show me an article, sound bit, or video where Ponder admits that, “He only admitted to finally watching himself on tape for the first time at the end of the season.” (Completely fabricated statement as far as I am concerned.)

    I would advise for your own sake to not make a complete fool of yourself. I may not follow other sports the most but I certainly do with football. It’s a complete passion in my life. Not to mention that within that passion that the Vikings are my favorite team that I keep very close attention to.

  161. By DRS. on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    Vikings could be displaced to TCF for 2 years

    ( Bagley said there are issues constantly being added to the plate of those in charge of the stadium design and the ongoing process of construction prep. Among them has been a recent push by area college baseball coaches that have played games in the Metrodome for years. They’re seeking a stadium design that would include a footprint to play baseball because the climate in Minnesota isn’t conducive to playing outdoor baseball in February )

    http://min.scout.com/2/1265653.html?refid=400

  162. By WRHopkins2013 on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    Harvin is history…
    Webb is history…

    Its not a matter of if they will be released or traded…
    Its just a matter of when ???…Mark it down…

  163. By Northern Norseman on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    @Titus

    True.

    It is difficult to tell.

    My gut says that Percy Harvin will be on the team for years but in this business, one should not get too comfortable…. anything can happen.

  164. By DRS. on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    Say no to baseball in a Football stadium. SKOL VIKINGS

  165. By vikings rule on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    this made the national news, vikings want to trade Harvin, Spielman s ucks
    http://min.scout.com/2/1265767.html

  166. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    Where were all these baseball coaches during the past six years of deliberations, especially this past fall when it was clear a stadium deal would most likely go through or no more Vikings in Minnesota? Seriously– this is underhanded tactics of severe manipulation. Now, they want their voices heard? They want to hold construction hostage to get their way?

  167. By WRHopkins2013 on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    Pay Ponder !!!…

  168. By vikings rule on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    pay ponder to leave

  169. By Carl K on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    @northern and bluebird.

    Harvin flunking drug tests at Florida and at the NFL combine IS an off the field problem.
    Strike #1

    Harvin choking his position coach at Florida is unacceptable.
    strike #2

    Yelling at Frazier (the NFL’s easiest coach to get along with) is not a big deal… but very unnessisary. What was Frazier going to do differently? Bench Ponder? Get the ball to Harvin even more? Harvin says it is not about money… but he will not step up like a man and tell us what Frazier could do differently?
    strike #3

    Throwing weights at Frazier… should have landed Harvin’s a$$ in jail!
    strike #4

    Harvin likes to set out of practice but EXPECTS to still play come game day.
    strike #5

    Team players don’t ask to be traded when things don’t go their way.

    This Vikings team made it to the playoffs without Percy down the stretch. Ponder had more confidence and the Vikings played more like a team without him.

    @ northern- you make some good points… In the past Spielman has said before resigning certain guys like AP, Sully, Greenway even this year with Loadholt that he would like to keep them and get them signed. Frazier has spoken about getting K Williams back next year. So why is it so difficult for them to simply say… Harvin is a young game changer that we would love to keep as a Viking for a long long time. Spielman has had months to lay this Percy Harvin negativity thing to bed and he does not.

    Marketing 101… Demand drives the value up. If every team knows Spielman values Harvin and wants to keep him… That just drives Harvin’s value up, it doesn’t scare teams away from making offers.

    But if every team know Spielman will hide Percy on IR or doesn’t want him back… How will he get top value.

    If Spielman is still shopping Harvin he did a poor job driving Harvin’s value up.
    If Spielman wants to resign Harvin long term and wants to build around this young game changer… He sent a poor message to the fans, team and Harvin.

    I stand by my gut reaction that Spielman already has a deal in place for Harvin and he was just dancing around the KFAN questions in the most political way he could.

    I will say watching Harvin play as a Viking is/was a great joy and one I will surely miss if he is traded. #12’s shoes will be impossible to fill or replace.

  170. By WRHopkins2013 on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1523986-vikings-reportedly-will-attempt-to-trade-percy-harvin

  171. By Champ Henson on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    Titus…..you are right “it is underhanded. In fact we don’t even know if the stadium will have a roof yet and these baseball teams are sticking their nose in. Its like the Arden Hills site, where Minneapolis sneaks in at the last minute with their ideas, with which they got their way. I just wonder what’s going on under the table.

  172. By Champ Henson on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    Carl K…..I think you are right….Harvin is gone. Now lets hope we get equal value for equal value. Not like the Randy Moss deal where we got a mediocre line backer and little else.

  173. By BlueBird7 on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    Me complaining? When I speak the truth, it’s complaing Titus?

    When you speak it’s gospel? You sure have a high regard for your self.

    Too Bad. A number of posters on here don’t. agree with yourself imposed status.

  174. By Parkway on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    If there is any substance to those reports at all (doubtful), they better get at least 2 first rounders for him then get Patterson as his replacement.

  175. By Northern Norseman on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    @Carl K

    You make good points so I can’t really disagree with everything you say.

    The whole Harvin sitting out of practice. Many players on every team will sit out multiple times a year. Adrian Peterson did it so many times this year. Besides that I have read somewhere (I could find if you really want but I’d rather not waste my time) that coaches and teamates have said Percy Harvin is one of the hardest workers on the team. So with that one I’d have to respectfully disagree with that point.

    Also, I have mentioned before that he indeed had problems in college and had some issues but in my posts I have been mostly addressing his issues during his time with the Vikings. His past Florida issues shouldn’t be pushed to the side but (to me) it’s easier to focus what has happened while with the team.

    So really it’s only the 2 strikes while with the team and the whole yelling at the coach (I certainly don’t think that should happen) doesn’t bother me quite as severely as it does to others.

    So I agree with most of your post but it’s just a couple of those that I’d have to respectfully disagree with.

    (note: Percy Harvin ‘supposedly’ threw a weight at Brad Childress….. not Frazier)

    If we got a great deal for Percy Harvin then I will be okay with a trade. It has to be good because he is only 24 and already MVP caliber….. two 1st rounders and one 3rd is the least Id be willing to accept for Harvin.

    So yeah otherwise I completely understand your post and agree with your Spielman take also.

  176. By Flap jack on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    Just got on here. Sure looks like things are heating up around the old homestead.
    I can’t believe the vkings chief managers are really that stupid to turn loose a great player like Harvin.

    If he leaves, I hope he goes to the Bears, or Detroit, or even Greenbay!I want to watch him return to play against Minnesota Vikings and kick the sh*t out of them.

  177. By Northern Norseman on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    @Parkway

    Yeah I think two 1 rounders and a one 3rd-4th rounder is what I would expect for Percy Harvin. That or some sort of combination of picks and players.

    Patterson would definitely ease the pain of Harvin leaving the team.

  178. By WRHopkins2013 on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    Carl K…

    I also believe…That now that the truth about Harvin is out in the open…Spielman most like has an offer on the table for Harvin already…That Spielman can accept…

    Announcing the Vikings have interest in trading him ???..Is (most likely) looking for another team to open a bidding war for Harvin…

  179. By Parkway on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    I would assume that demand alone for Harvin would get 2 1st rounders despite the consensus around the sports world that he is only worth a 2nd round pick.

  180. By WRHopkins2013 on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    Parkway and NN…

    2 first rounders and a 3rd round pick ???…Dream on….hahaha…

    Why don’t you ask for moon also…Maybe they will be willing to throw that into the deal…

    Harvin is not only a disgruntled player…He is a player looking for a healthy new contract…No way !!…Spielman is getting 2 first round picks for him…

    Look for a “possible” late first round pick…Maybe only a second round pick…

  181. By Champ Henson on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    A deal for Harvin will likely include draft picks in 2013 and in 2014. I don’t think most teams will give up more than 2 picks in any given year for him. Two first rounds aren’t out of the question however, because Harvin is a proven player and not all 1st round picks end up being as great as some people think they will be…..as we all know.

  182. By Northern Norseman on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    @WRHopkin2013

    FINE!

    Two 1st rounders, one 3rd rounder, and the moon…… that’s much better.

    Well that’s why I started to say 3rd-4th. Maybe a second half draft selection.

    The two 1st rounders though….. I will stand by that.

    Percy is 24 and is a proven dynamic game changer.

    Your not guaranteed anything in the draft.

    So let’s say you draft someone with the 1st rounder that you get from Harvin. Chances are that the player drafted won’t be close to the game changer Harvin is. In fact, that selection could be a complete flop…… ala Troy Williamson via Moss trade….. what a waste…. that is why teams will get extra compensation because of the drafts uncertainty. An extra first round would even out the deal since two good/decent players would be equal to one Harvin.

    The mid-rounder (or 4th-6th rounder) more of a toss-up if the earlier picks are not of a very high value. Harvin has already proven he is the real deal where as draft prospects are not proven they will be anything in the NFL.

    Obviously with the first rounders would be different if the team trading the selection is a top-10 pick. Then I’d be okay with just one 1st rounder.

    If you want me to go in even more depth I will.

    It basically all depends on where in each round the draft pick/s are at.

    I apologize for making it sound like it HAD to be two 1sts and one mid-rounder. That changes depending on where each individual pick in located in each round.

    (Note: If you paid attention, I said in a post earlier that I would explain in more depth about my asking price for Percy Harvin. “If you want me to explain why I will but I would not be happy with anything less.’)

  183. By WRHopkins2013 on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    NN…

    All I want for Harvin…Is a player who wants to play for the Vikings…And won’t bail on the team in mid-season because of his poor attitude with a fake foot injury…When his team is in a playoff hunt…

    I think what Harvin did…Is as low as it gets…

  184. By vikings rule on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    look like new england wants harvin

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000137929/article/report-vikings-will-actively-pursue-percy-harvin-trade

    fire Spielman

  185. By Carl K on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    wait a minute… we got the moon with the Randy Moss deal.

  186. By vikings rule on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    they are saying the vikings will only end up with a 3rd round draft pick for harvin. if that happens, Spielman needs to leave

  187. By Northern Norseman on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    @WRHopkins20013

    Now since you took a jab at me Ill bring a jab right back.

    Let’s take a gander on how delusional and stupid you sound…. you know… since I’m such a crazy dreamer…..

    A late 1st?!?!

    Maybe only a 2nd rounder?!?!

    Sooooo basically you are implying that you would trade Harvin straight up for a:

    Late 1st: (all these are past late 1st rounders)
    DT Mike Patterson
    TE Heath Miller
    WR Michael Jenkins
    CB Ahmad Carroll
    DE Jason Babin

    2 rounder: (all these are 2nd rounders)
    RB Toby Gerhart
    CB Chris Cook
    DT Junior Siavii
    LB D’Quell Jackson
    LB David Harris

    Of course there are a FEW gems/stars in the those areas also.
    WR Dwayne Bowe (late first)
    OG Ben Grubbs (late first)
    WR Roddy White (late first)
    LB Lamarr Woodly (2nd rounder)
    OC Ryan Kalil (2nd rounder)
    RB Clinton Portis (2nd rounder)

    My point is that their is so much uncertainty in the draft. You might hit a star but more often than not they are average/above players at best. With a lot that can end up becoming nothing. If you are trading a KNOWN and PROVEN MVP CALIBER PLAYER then you deserve extra compensation for a draft that has many unproven players with uncertainty.

    So if you saying you’re willing to trade a MVP CALIBER player that is ONLY 24 YEARS OLD and has YET TO HIT HIS PRIME for a 2nd rounder?!?!?!

    Yeah that makes sooooo much sense there me boy!

    You may think I dreamer asking for the moon but I think you’re a lost person that just might as well ask for a chicken-pot-pie instead in return for Percy Harvin.

    Good day

  188. By WRHopkins2013 on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    By vikings rule on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    they are saying the vikings will only end up with a 3rd round draft pick for harvin. if that happens, Spielman needs to leave

    ______________

    Lets just let Spielman work his magic…I think he will get a first round pick for him….But who knows..Maybe a second round pick this spring and a “conditional” draft pick in 2014 on performance ???…

    Anything could happen…

  189. By Parkway on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    I hope NE gets Harvin, they will win the next 3 superbowls with him.

  190. By VF209 on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    as much as I like harvin’s talent “if” he is unhappy and is the distraction that some claim him to be then I don’t want him either. I hope that if he is on his way out that we can get some1 or some1’s that can instantly come in and contribute. Cuz we definetly will need sum help ASAP

  191. By WRHopkins2013 on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    NN….

    I just offered some perspective…Is all…

    Harvin has value…It will be up to GM’s and owners to make those decisions…
    Not us…

    Remember NN…There isn’t a WR on the Packers team right now…That was taken in the first round of the draft…But all of those players…Are pretty good at WR…

  192. By Nicholas on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    There will be a bidding war for Harvin…Spielman will work up some magic…just watch.

  193. By Northern Norseman on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    @WRHopkins2013

    Ha no ill will here….. I just had to battle back somehow.

    I do agree with your based on performance pick for Harvin. At least just one future pick should be on that.

    At least one would have to be this years 1st round selection though.

    Bottom line if it’s one pick or 8…… the Vikings have to get back in return or close to if they lose Harvin.

    He is just such a dynamic weapon for an offense that has not yet reached his full potential and that is on top of his already current ridiculous ability.

    If it is just one 1st and a mid-rounder I could deal. If it is just one late 1st, or just one 2nd….. I will be very displeased.

  194. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    I believe we will have a very high pick with a Harvin trade. Oh, by the way, Parkway, you are posting all the time. Is this your career or are you playing hooky from high school?

  195. By WRHopkins2013 on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    @Northern Norseman….

    Who knows…You might be right…Maybe Spielman nails a blockbuster deal for Harvin ???…

    I always tend to sell things personally, a little lower than what the value of something is worth on average…Spielman won’t do that… :-)

  196. By Parkway on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    All the time? Another one of your delusions apparently, but at least I don’t mimic someone else’s name and come on here right “Runway”? I mean Titus

  197. By Parkway on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    Oh and also posted as me, really classy Titus, who’s in highschool? Oh that’s right you are an old man who thinks cycling is a sport. ROFLCOPTER on that one.

  198. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    Every time I scan on here, I see you Parkway. And now you respond? I throw out a little sarcasm and you acknowledge my post– otherwise you ignore serious questions I pose toward you? That is a sure sign I got the high school part dead on.

  199. By Northern Norseman on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    @WRHopkins2013

    Well I should maybe think very low so I am pleased with whatever happens.

    Spielman is one intriuging man….. I have a feeling he’ll handle this situation effectively regardless if we keep him or not.

  200. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    Parkway, I can see you now– hiding in a plastic fort in the basement on a 1997 gargantuan screen, playing survival in your pretend bunker. Mom and dad are in the woods searching for berries and wood for the fire. Keep reading your conspiracy sites with all their nonsense overflowing with fallacies.

  201. By Flap jack on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    Titus Look in your toliet bowl and see if you can find your brain floating.

  202. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    NN– you got that right. Either we keep Harvin, which I am sure is one of the top scenarios or we get an incredible deal– and get the likes of another Harrison Smith and Kalil out of it. Yeah, these are exciting times. Ten wins this season? Eleven or twelve?

  203. By vikings rule on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    last thing i want to see, Harvin running a kickoff return the distance against us.
    here is what new england fans are saying

    Percy Harvin would be a great fit for New England. He wouldn’t have to worry about not getting the ball enough. Him and Welker could possibly be the best two slot recievers in the NFL. You can also put him on the outside because he has great speed. He’s also a great Special teamer. Percy come to New England!

  204. By Flap jack on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    Dad nabit, you pulled the plug and there goes what little brain you had gone.
    Now what will you use to show all of us how dadburn dumb we are.

  205. By Flap jack on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    I want to see greenbay out bid new england for harvin. I will buy a green shirt just to see him ram the footb*ll up fraziers big over blown ass.

  206. By Carl K on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    @Northern- I agree, Percy is a hard worker so I will give him a gold star for that. I will also give him a gold star for his toughness during games. Another gold star for big plays at big moments.

    I could actually give him more gold stars than strikes.

    I am a big Harvin fan…. last offseason I was lobbying for more money for Percy. However, I don’t think money is the issue.

    Harvin has MVP talent! Spielman will not get that kind of value in return. A late first round pick is best he can get.

    Would the Patriot rather have Harvin or draft a guy like Tavon Austin? That is a no brained. I am not sure if any team will offer more than that.

    The Redskins could offer Kirk Cousin and a high draft pick… We could throw in Joe Webb to sweeten the deal… he would be a good backup to RG3 in their read option attack.

    Harvin for Alex Smith?

  207. By vikings rule on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    losing harvin would mean the vikings have no plans on winning a superbowl anytime soon

  208. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    This Harvin situation is a great mystery. If I had to bet right now, I would say he is traded due to his attitude and the philosophy of our current coaching/GM staff– they want only team-oriented, positive and respectful players of character.

  209. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    Au contraire, vikings rule. Superstars does not a team make.

  210. By Northern Norseman on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    @Carl K

    Ha you really really really do not like Ponder or simply have no faith in him do you?

    Your always campaigning to get a different QB

  211. By vikings rule on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    i have no problems with harvin yelling at frazier, someone had to tell frazier just how bad Ponder was

  212. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    vikings rule– seriously? You think Frazier is in a coma? He does not need Harvin or some blogger to make him aware of the team situation. Frazier is darn close to genius and he will take us to the promised land if we are patient. I highly doubt any blogger has anywhere near his football knowledge– he would be on the sideline with a headset and not on this blog yapping nonsense.

  213. By vikings rule on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    so we can win a superbowl just running the ball? ground and pound like the jets, LOL
    no way sorry

  214. By Matthias on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    Probably just a fake account posting wrong information. Remember that we had near the same exact statement a few weeks ago?

  215. By vikings rule on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    Frazier wanted to draft Ponder, his football IQ isn’t all that, trust me

  216. By vikings rule on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    some of these older people on here may never see the vikings win the superbowl now

  217. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    Visionaries and highly intellectual geniuses see beyond the current empirical research and know the future while everyone else who thinks they are smart wallow in the present, left behind in the past when the world turns. Vikings rule, you would have been one yelling for more horse and buggies in the 1920s, saying the automobile is nothing but a passing fad. When Ponder is compared to a Tom Brady in a year or two, we shall see who has the true insight.

  218. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    Daddy has work to do– later, gators!

  219. By vikings rule on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    colin kaepernick is much better than brady, the run option is where it’s at. even the ravins defensive players were saying Kap will be in several more superbowls.
    Ponder can’t touch Kap with a 10 foot pole

  220. By Flap jack on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    Ya, you horses ass. make it much later…………………

  221. By vikings rule on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    Titus thinks Ponder, a qb with 3rd string talent will be good, lol

  222. By vikings rule on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    Kap played 6 games and is ten times better than Ponder who played almost 2 full years

  223. By vikings rule on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    the sad part is Kap was picked in the 2nd round, we picked ponder #12 overall, lol

  224. By vikings rule on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    all us vikings fans want to wait another 5 years for ponder to ‘develope” into a average qb, lol

  225. By Champ Henson on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    I wish people would stop lobbying for Alex Smith…..he’s a game manager (and Ponder clone).

  226. By WRHopkins2013 on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/blogs/190614531.html

  227. By Champ Henson on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    vikings rule…..right on!

  228. By PurplHaze on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    Writing is slowly getting clearer …

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000137929/article/report-vikings-will-actively-pursue-percy-harvin-trade

    I just hope we get a great deal for him. He’s certainly worth it!

  229. By WRHopkins2013 on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1523645-minnesota-vikings-mock-draft-predicting-all-7-rounds-pre-scouting-combine#/articles/1523645-minnesota-vikings-mock-draft-predicting-all-7-rounds-pre-scouting-combine

  230. By PurplHaze on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    Cordarrelle Patterson to the Vikings would REALLY fit the bill! Especially if Harvin does get traded. Fans will quickly forget Percy with Cordarrelle on the field!

  231. By RichardA1 on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    No one give credit to Ponder at the beginning of the season, we were shocked at how good he was playing! Its going to set us back not having him (Harvin) he carried us alot, it wasn’t all A.P. now we need someone who can play like Harvin and a deep threat.

  232. By vikes- or - die on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    Well look at the bright side in trading Harvin. We will have more draft pick(s) and all that money we would paid out to Harvin can be used to sign other players. Bowe would be on the radar I would think. It opens things up quite a bit. We could end up building one heck of a team.

  233. By Northern Norseman on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    Ok Ill be honest….

    This trading Harvin has got me laughing….

    If you go read the many articles on the internet right now about Harvin being on the trade market, you will see everyone saying stuff like:

    (copied and pasted various comments)

    “GO DOLPHINS!” (yahooooo yeehaww)

    “PHILLY!!” (ha I just love how people get excited as if it has already happened)

    “We’ll trade Alex Smith for Percy Harvin straight up…. that’s a great deal for the Vikings!” (for a 49ers fan maybe!)

    “Patriots have found their next Wes Welker!” (Percy Harvin would make Wes Welker look like a pop warner football player if he played with Brady.)

    “Perfect! The Niners can trade Ted Ginn and we’ll sweeten the deal with a 4th rounder.” (haha what?!)

    “Kansas city Chiefs should give up 3rd round pick for Harvin. I think Harvin would pair well with Dwayne Bowe and he could help on the RETURN GAME!” (Ha they should worry about keeping Bowe first)

    “Skins give up a 4th this year and 5th next year. Yea he’s a playmaker but he sure does know what an injury is…..” (HAHA what the….?!?! Ha…. for real?!)

    “Even trade: Hester for Harvin.” (what drugs is this guy on?)

    “I would not be shocked if Harvin becomes the NFL’s equivalent of Royce White.” (HAHAHA what does he even mean?!?!)

    “Not going to get much. By sitting him for multiple weeks Minny cut his trade value in half. ” (Hmmmm…. interesting… must be a wise wizard)

    “I’d love him here with the Dolphins!
    Him, Cordarrelle Patterson, and Bess would really help Tannehill along!” (Oh so you’re getting Patterson too…. hmmm…. bold indeed.)

    “Percy is T.O. 2.0″ (Right….. great comparison…… not!)

    “Yankees!
    Oh wait, that’s baseball…” (Well played sir… this gave me a good laugh)

    “I got an idea why don’t the Rams trade Titus for Harvin… maybe even throw in wayne hunter. Now that would be a great trade.” (I feel like this person had his face smashed in multiple times as a child…. poor thing.)

    “Straight up trade greg jennings for Harvin. TT can resign him for a steal and boom. Packs WR core is top notch again sorry Greg remember to believe in yoursmelf. Your not going to another A-Rod…” (Yeah…. since Greg Jenning is still on your team! Oh Packers fans and their drinking problems)

    “Trade him to Jacksonville for Blackmon, and swap 2nd rounders.” (So we trade ‘trouble’ to get ‘trouble”….. then swap 2nd rounders…. This guy is either onto something or on something…. Ill choose the latter)

    “Send him to Jacksonville. I don’t want to see him succeed.” (Haha what a great selfish comment.)

    “get matt flynn, give him to russel n the seahawks.” (no comment)

    “Colt mccoy for Peterson+harvin” (Haha funny! Wait… this guy isn’t serious….. is he? Tell me this is a joke….oh my the world just may be ending)

  234. By Frederick Jones on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    @NorthernNorseman,

    Yeah it’s amazing. Thank G o d other countries have even more dumb people like that than we do.

    Their fans K I L L other fans during soccer games!!!

  235. By Carl K on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    @ Northern- I like Ponder… he finished the year with 18 TDs to just 12 ints. 62.1 completion %. and a playoff berth. NOT BAD!

    I am ok with Ponder as the starter… And I must say his new wife is a hottie.

    However, 172 yards passing per game ranks 31st in the NFL. That needs to get better. Musgrave needs to take as much blame as Ponder for that.

    Musgrave needs Mike Mularkey’s help to develop Ponder.

    Surround Ponder with the best offensive coaches and weapons available!!! That is what I am pushing for.

    and yes, a quality backup QB that can come in and win games would be nice for sure.

  236. By Frederick Jones on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    @Vikings rule,

    Jones likes Webb more than Ponder, but Ponder could be better than Kap. The Kap is very reactional, and it’s possible that he may have already played his best football game!

    Ponder should have a better up side.

    Besides most of their play depends on how good their teams are!!!

  237. By Frederick Jones on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    @Carl K,

    I guess you missed the 2011 game versus Detroit City.

  238. By Frederick Jones on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    @Titus,

    You are right sir, SUPERSTARS do not make a team. Jones remembers a year when the Vikings dominated the NFC Pro Bowl roster with players. But they stunk as a team.

    We need the right mix of players, and TEAM WORK.

    (Yes, even more than an additional stalwart Guard, although that is our greatest need. WHY, because that will put Ponder or Webb over the hump!)

  239. By Frederick Jones on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    @Hopkins,

    Why do you feel it necessary to throw Webb and Harvin under the bus?

  240. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    Jones– I was thinking the same thing– Kapernick may have played his best. So many bloggers only react to what they see in front of them– respond by their senses but lack conceptual visionary insight. A player like Ponder who appears to be slow to develop is a sign all the pieces will be there– you do not create greatness in a microwave. All of the greats in all fields throughout history often were seen by the public as defects– the average joe is quick to make judgments, but slow to understand.

  241. By Frederick Jones on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    NORTHWOODSv2,

    Fran Tarkenton, Kurt Warner, Babe Parilli, Norm Snead, Donavan McNabb, Warren Moon, Joe Namath, John Hadl, and yes even the great Joe Montana all went up in smoke when they were traded to another team at one time in their careers!!!

    The QB position is the most dominant position in the main pro sports (NFL, NBA, NHL, and MLB). BUT and B U T football is a TEAM sport.

    IT IS NOT ALL ABOUT THE QUARTERBACK!!!

  242. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    Fred Jones is in the house!

  243. By Frederick Jones on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    @Titus,

    Yeah, and Jones has a bias against Kap. I like RGIII, Luck, and even Cam Newton. But Kap is a big hot dog, and I tend to think that type of person will do anything for attention, and like you said does not always think before he acts.

    But then again, Jones is biased against Kap. I don’t think Joe Webb is as big a hot dog as the Kap. But I don’t like end zone dances as a rule, and Joe does have one.

    Hand the ball to the officials like Barry Sanders. He had class!!!

  244. By Frederick Jones on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    Adrian Peterson’s celebrations are very quick and explosive.

    It’s the lingering celebrations like the one NYG Cruz does that irritate. He looks like a girl when he does his end zone dance! He should be fined and kicked out of the game for doing it!!!

    Dunk the ball. Spike it. That’s a man. Don’t be rolling your hips and jiving.

    ACT LIKE YOU’VE BEEN THERE BEFORE!!!

    (Man it’s fun to complain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

  245. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    What’s more, when an individual does a celebration, it looks like he forgot the 10 plays or whatever number, and all the work of the whole team to get to the end zone. So many people in the world today only know one word, well maybe two.
    Me, me , ME, I I I I , Me and I, I and Me. Me, me me me

    MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

  246. By john61 on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    were not going to trade harvin,it would be a very bad move

  247. By Sy Youssef on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    Here’s my take on the whole trade thing with Harvin…hopefully fellow Vikings fans will subscribe on youtube!

  248. By vikes4life06 on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    Here’s my take on the whole Harvin trade talk, Hopefully fellow Vikes fans will subscribe!

  249. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    nobody watches those videos. save yourself the trouble.

  250. By vikes4life06 on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    Actually Titus, I have subscribers on youtube but I wanted more on Vikings.com…so save yourself the trouble by making that comment you just made. I’m sure you just watched it

  251. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    Nope, I heard about your inability to articulate; hence the overuse of meaningless words, i.e. swearing. Of course, you have a following on YouTube– out of 7 billion people, anyone can find an audience. Question is– what quality?

  252. By PurplHaze on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply
    nobody watches those videos. save yourself the trouble.
    *******
    That is, unless they’re looking for a refresher in 4 letter words. =)))

  253. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    By PurplHaze on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply
    By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply
    nobody watches those videos. save yourself the trouble.
    *******
    That is, unless they’re looking for a refresher in 4 letter words. =)))

    _____________________________________________________________-
    HA HA HA HA HA– never thought of that. Good one! Maybe we found a new marketing niche for the swearaholic– Tutorials

  254. By PurplHaze on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    I think I may have watch the first couple minutes of one of his earlier vids, and I was like … C’mon man! Are all those adjectives necessary?

  255. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    I have never watched one second of his videos– thanks to those who commented on his inability to articulate. A sure sign of cognitive or emotional dysfunction is an abuse and overuse of swear words. I may use one a year, so I am the other extreme. I know people may pop one in occasionally, but when I hear of someone using one in every sentence, I run the other way– nothing of value being said.

  256. By Spencer on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    Sorry, but I’m not for trading the 2nd best player on the team in his prime.

    And I watch his videos

  257. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    Spencer– you are remarkable.

  258. By Spencer on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    And you are impeccable.

    But anyways if we were to trade Harvin we better get something quality in return!

    #1-????
    #2- Simpson
    Slot- Wright
    #4- ???
    #5- Burton

  259. By Dr. Remulak on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    Until Spielman comes out and says he’s shopping Harvin, I wouldn’t put too much stock in any of these reports.

  260. By vikes4life06 on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    Titus i’m getting ready to graduate college in a couple of months with a bachlors in Economics and a minor in Business, so please don’t try to tell me that I can’t articulate. This is Youtube, not a job interview. I don’t have to act properly or have 100 percent correct grammar if I don’t have to. I don’t have time for the spelling police, so get out of here with that stuff, because i’m probably a more die hard Vikings fan than you’ll ever be, idiot.

  261. By vikes4life06 on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    And thank you Spencer

  262. By Vikings1 on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    @vikes4life06

    I am a die hard Viking’s fan and I have watched one of your previous videos and it was really disgusting. By the way please be sure to get an education before you graduate, your vocabulary stinks!

  263. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    vikes4LIfe– how is Carolina these days?

  264. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    I work in education, my friend– at two universities and have advanced degrees beyond a BA. Listen, pal, I see all the sites that sell homework and as an educator, they tick me off. Who did you buy your last assignment from?

  265. By vikes4life06 on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    If you’re asking me how Carolina is to imply that I’m a bandwagon fan because your ignorance of me previously living in Minneapolis half my life…nice try

  266. By vikes4life06 on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    Well good for you, I’m not here to have a contest with you, I’m just saying that I can act how I please because it’s just the internet. The fact that you have to use a punchline instead of actual facts to try to insult me lets me know that you really have nothing smart to say.

  267. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    Just the Internet? Pal, the Internet is a public forum– get that nice BA and see when your next employer watches one of your videos what happens. Problem with a lot of college kids– they know very little how to navigate real life.

  268. By vikes4life06 on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    I don’t use my gmail as my primary email account, and I do not have my real name at all on my youtube. If anything, they would check my Facebook which is clean…..PAL. I’m going to keep posting my videos on Vikings.com whether you like it or not, so get over it and deal with it. I’m done with you, goodnight

  269. By Spencer on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    Everybody, relax.
    At the end of the day we all cheer for the same team.

  270. By Northern Norseman on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    Yeah I’ll be brutally honest…. I get nothing from watching those videos.

    I’ve seen some in the past but I cannot get myself to get all the way through each video….. I just can’t. They offer useless substance and is simply not worth my time.

    So in saying that….

    If it’s something you enjoy doing then I applaud you because I am a firm believer in doing what you enjoy and if others enjoy it also then all the more power to you. Im sure it’s just a hobby but if you wanted they could be a lot better with some effort.

    I may not like or enjoy them but you’re simply never going to please everyone. That’s just life.

    So I respectfully dislike your videos but I respect your passion for Vikings football.

    Skol!

    Moving on….

  271. By Northern Norseman on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    @Spencer

    Well said

  272. By vikes4life06 on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    @Northern Norseman You’re right, I’m really not making videos to please you in particular, there’s plenty of people that enjoy watching my videos.

  273. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    Really dude— what are you, about 29 years old?

  274. By vikes4life06 on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    no, younger

  275. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    And you think you have everything you do on the Internet hidden– ha! Employers can find anything– and will do so, during the selection process. I am actually trying to help you out.

  276. By vikes4life06 on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    Titus, don’t worry about me, worry about yourself. I know what i’m doing.

  277. By Northern Norseman on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    @vikes4life06

    Yeah for sure.

    Like I may have sounded much more critical than I needed because it’s certainly not like I hate them because that’s not the case at all. They just have not particularly grown on me at all.

    So as I may not be glued into or enjoy every video you make, that certainly shouldn’t discourage you from making any more. I am just one person with my own personal opinion.

    Hey, if there is anything we have in common it’s being Viking football fans, talking Vikings football, and the dream of one day hoisting the great Lombardi Trophy. Can’t go wrong with that.

  278. By vikes4life06 on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    The problem is that I never asked for you, or anyone else’s opinion, I just simply posted my video on this site because it had something to do with this team.

  279. By Rick on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    I think a lot of you guys forgot the fact that Wright is on the team, the man filled in for Harvin quite well. Plus Wright seems to have better deep threat ability. Also Ponder did just fine down the stretch and seemed to play his best football of his career without Harvin. I say if the deal is right send him packing. Harvin is a good football player but he is not bigger than the Vikings.

  280. By vikes4life06 on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    You’re right Rick, I did sort of forget about Wright. He didn’t get to play for the first half of the season since he wasn’t starting. That doesn’t mean I’ll be satisfied if we get a bad deal out of trading harvin though

  281. By Northern Norseman on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    @vikes4life06

    I know you didn’t ask for my opinion but I also understand that I can express my opinion with whoever on whatever topic I want.

    I get what you’re saying on how all you wanted to do was post a video on the Vikings and some of us got riled up. So apologies on that front.

    Bottom line…..

    You do your thing and I’ll do mine.

    (If I had only one request on your videos it would be less/no swearing… I’m sure I’m not the only one that thinks that. Obviously that’s your decision. Just my advice/opinion that’s all. Having swear free speech is just an overall good habit to obtain in life.)

  282. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    Posting on a public forum which can be frequented by minors– you INVITED my opinion. pal. And you think you know what you are doing? Ha!

  283. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    NN– do you want your kids to see those videos? I have every right to tell that clown to close down his circus.

  284. By Northern Norseman on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply

    @Titus

    There are soooo many other things in media that are much worse.

    Those videos by vikes4life06 are really not that bad. Yeah there is swearing and maybe some other ‘talk’ but that is nothing to be terribly alarmed about.

    I think we can both agree there is much worse stuff out there be it in media or not.

  285. By Ricefield on Feb 11, 2013 | Reply

    vikes4lifeo6,

    I’ve watched several of your videos, not all of them, but plenty. But that’s not why I’m posting. I’m posting because you just wrote a falsehood when you said, “I never asked for opinions….”

    That sir, is a falsehood. You did indeed post a couple of videos and specifically asked the bloggers on this site for feedback like offering ideas to make them better.

    So….

    If you’re going to ask for feedback you can not then tell folks that you don’t want it.

    Just sayin’.

  286. By Ricefield on Feb 11, 2013 | Reply

    LOL!!!

    To top it off, I just watched the video you just posted and you asked at the end of that video for feedback. LMAO!!!

    Ridiculous!

    Anyway, to address the stuff in the video….

    “Shut up and just play the f—ing game!”

    Dude, these players are people and they have opinions. Some of which have nothing to do with football and they should have the right to speak their minds.

    Concerning, Harvin. His opinion is explicitly football related and concerns the team so he definitely should be able to air his differences. Now, I’m not saying I like the way he goes about it, but my brother is in the military defending the rights of folks to say what they want how they want and just because a person is a football player doesn’t mean their right to free speech is forfeit.

    On a related note, the Kluwe situation is in the same area. People may not agree, I do, but some folks may not, with him on his various statements unrelated to football but he certainly has the right to express them.

  287. By GrandDaddyPurp on Feb 11, 2013 | Reply

    “Harvin defies the usual positional descriptions. He’s a wide receiver, yes, but he plays like a running back as well. The Vikings generally throw shorter pas ses to him, allowing Harvin to do the rest. That explains why Harvin’s average target depth stands at only 4.1 yards, well below the 9.2 average for players with at least 10 receptions this season. Harvin leads the NFL in receptions and has a 409-295 lead over Wes Welker for most yards after the catch. He has 15 rushes for 63 yards (4.2 per carry) and a 37.1-yard average on kickoff returns. Harvin has only three total TDs, but he has scored them in three ways: receiving, rushing and in the return game.”

  288. By Parkway on Feb 11, 2013 | Reply

    Yeah that Mike Max has no idea what he is talking about with Harvin BTW

  289. By WRHopkins2013 on Feb 11, 2013 | Reply

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1524495-percy-harvin-on-trade-block-5-teams-that-could-use-minnesota-vikings-services#/articles/1524495-percy-harvin-on-trade-block-5-teams-that-could-use-minnesota-vikings-services

  290. By Matthias on Feb 11, 2013 | Reply

    Read it and compare it…. and check the date

    http://www.1500espn.com/sportswire/Pelissero_Percy_Harvins_injury_was_legitimate_but_future_uncertain122012

  291. By BlueBird7 on Feb 11, 2013 | Reply

    Spencer………We all cheer at the end of the day for the same team?

    I will cheer for the teams that get Percy Harvin and Joe Webb!!!!!!!

  292. By mnsoldier on Feb 13, 2013 | Reply

    I just hope the design is not the picture the last posted, it looked like a sail, not sure what that was about. However Just build a solid reliable facility that will hold more fans than the “metro dump”, When will you have a design and when will you start construction. Stop all the politically correct garbage and just build the thing already

  293. By mnsoldier on Feb 13, 2013 | Reply

    Having a retractable roof makes it more desireable for other activities such as, truck pulls, monster trucks, motocross, concerts, anything that would generate far more noise than a game, games are loud but nothing compared to them, and in the winter they can do snow mobile races and open the roof too keep it colder and preserve the track. (thats if global warming does not elimiinate all snow).

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