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Vikings Season Ends With 24-10 Playoff Loss At Lambeau

Posted by Mike Wobschall on January 6, 2013 – 2:33 am

The Vikings did a lot of things right while winning their final four games of the regular season to advance to the postseason. But they ran out of magic on Saturday night at Lambeau Field, falling to the Green Bay Packers by a score of 24-10 while playing without their starting QB.

Christian Ponder injured his arm in last week’s win over the Packers and was unable to play Saturday night. Joe Webb started in place of Ponder, but he and the offense were unable to muster any momentum until it was too late. Webb opened the game nicely, driving the Vikings 53 yards in 10 plays to take an early 3-0 lead. From that point on, though, the offense struggled to stay on the field.  The following four drives all ended in punts for the Vikings, and at halftime they had just 97 net yards and were 2 of 8 on 3rd downs.

Packers QB Aaron Rodgers, on the other hand, was his usual self and paced his team to the victory, the first home postseason win of his career. Rodgers was 23 of 33 for 274 yards with 1 TD on the night, seemingly always finding the open receiver at the biggest moments and always staying away from the back-breaking mistake.

It was the Vikings who made the mistakes. Green Bay’s first TD of the game came on a drive that was kept alive by a 3rd-down offsides penalty against the Vikings. Then Green Bay’s second TD of the game came one play after the Packers were awarded a 1st down via penalty on a FG attempt because the Vikings were flagged for having 12 men on the field. On top of those two TD-yielding mistakes, the Vikings also turned the ball over three times and forced zero turnovers of Green Bay.

After the Vikings took their early 3-0 lead, both teams exchanged punts. That’s when the offsides penalty against the Vikings led to Green Bay’s first score, an 8-yard TD run by RB DuJuan Harris that capped an 11-play, 82-yard drive. The teams traded possessions after that, and eventually Green Bay kicked a 20-yard FG after a stout goal line stand by the Vikings defense. Green Bay led 10-3 at that point, but they extended their lead to 17-3 thanks to a late 1st-half TD run by FB Jon Kuhn.

Green Bay opened the 2nd half with the ball and bookended their TD late in the 1st half with another TD early in the 2nd half, this one a TD reception for Kuhn from 9 yards out to make the score Green Bay 24, Minnesota 3. That’s all the scoring Green Bay would generate, but that’s all the scoring Green Bay would need. The Vikings turned the ball over on their next two possessions – a Webb fumble and then a Webb INT – and then a muffed punt by Marcus Sherels at the start of the 4th quarter only made matters worse.

The Vikings eventually got on the board with a TD when Webb found a wide open Michael Jenkins along the right sideline for a 50-yard score. A failed onsides kick gave Green Bay possession at their 20 and they were able to run all but 19 seconds off the clock from there.

Adrian Peterson finished the game with 99 yards on 22 carries, modest numbers for a runner that racked up 409 yards rushing against the Packers in 2 regular season games this season.

The loss ends what was a successful season for the Vikings. They were a 3-win team just a season ago, and their jump up to 10 wins this season marks the greatest single-season turnaround in franchise history. There is a lot upon which this young Vikings team can build going into 2013, and that process will commence almost immediately at Winter Park now that their postseason run has concluded.


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536 Responses to “Vikings Season Ends With 24-10 Playoff Loss At Lambeau”

  1. By VikesShield on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    That post game locker room video was deep..

  2. By animal26 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    fraziers speech to the players has me a little nervous that more vets are going to be either cut or traded and that frazier might not be our head coach for long.

  3. By VikesShield on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Still..vikings will be hot next year and I say that with all my heart..

  4. By vikingpat on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    I think webb should be cut or traded he is not good passer !!!!!Also we need 2 get better at WR in off season!!!!!!

  5. By VikesShield on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    OK that sounds kinda stupid but I think they will be hot next year. I say keep ponder. Trade Harvin he’s to much of a mess. Draft some wide outs. And get a solid linebacker. But keep chad green way..and get a good CB and we will be good..and I think they should keep their coaches..I just dont see a reason to fire any of our staff… and trade Joe Webb. Its just a theory and I’m not a football expert or anything..

  6. By Vik1ing on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    The Web virus infected any gameplan we had. Frezier needs post game straight talk. The players are professionals and earn a packet.

    Trade Web, Harvin and probly hold Ponder for one more year… unless you can trade a decent vet………..even Tebow dare I say it. his record was pretty decent.

  7. By DelawareDan on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Did the coaching staff think Ponder would not be ready all week or were they caught completely off guard? At first, I thought the coaching staff was briliant in hiding Ponder’s injury with the surprize to the packers that they were facing Webb. But after seeing how the team played last night, the coaching staff and the team were totally unprepared with Webb as the QB.

    Horrible coaching in my opinion.

  8. By Ariascasillas on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Keep ponder….bring in an experienced, proven wide out, keep percy….draft a Dt, mlb, corner, Rg, and a prospect qb….we need to let ponder grow…with the right tools…he won 4 in a row…its worth it to see if it was a fluke or a step in the right direction in the maturation process. We cant let AP down every year the way barry sanders was let down by his teammates…harrion smith, winfield, greenway, griffen, peterson, allen….more of these types on team….less of webb, sherels, simpson….players who play soft….we need more ferocity…go vikes!

  9. By Ariascasillas on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Ever since 07 when spielman has had a say in the draft…we have been picking up good players…i trust he will do the same in 2013…btw, i think we should get a mante teo if we can pull it off….cuz that is what we missed all year…a player that scares other teams….with his intimidating presence

  10. By Rick Meyer on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    I’m afraid AP will go the way of Barry Sanders as the Queens will not let him go without a fight and they can never seem to play as a team. They also seem to have coaches who are mediocre at best and qb’s that are second stringers on any other team. If they don’t make major changes in coaching, at qb and offensive line and wide receiver, they will be mediocre again………based on history, I’m betting on it.

  11. By StillBleedingPurple on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    It was a somber experience watching the game. Missed calls and opportunities, dashed dreams and the end of a ride.
    Big up to Mike W. for keeping his blog post on point without unnecessary negative comments.
    See you all next season.

  12. By Anita Wilson on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Webb will Never be Consistent, so he needs to be converted to a WR, or he just simply needs to be let go. I know he alone didn’t cost us this game, but had we not made those mental and physical errors Webb Would Have cost us this game.

    Bethel-Thompson should be better next year, as a decent back-up to Ponder. And, hopefully, Spielman can find another work-in-progress 3rd-string QB somewhere out there.

    Spielman well knows our needs, and I’m quite sure he will do another Great Job in drafting for 2013. But, that said, Frazier needs to come to the realization that Webb will Not make it as a QB in the NFL!

  13. By Gilberator on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Ponder played more of a role than a lot people thought. With a good draft and offseason we can take the division next year!!! SKOL!!!!!! Still so proud of this team!!!!!

  14. By Kathy P on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    I think by Monday, that there are going to be a few less Vikings teammates than there was Saturday. Need to make some major changes, and do some serious trading to get some good picks. I love my Vikes but this surely was an abominable game for sure. They came back strong and with a vengance during the last 4 games. Just tough to see them go down like that in GB.

  15. By OTKalil2012 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    This Webb stuff is weird ???…

    Why didn’t Frazier bring in MBT, when Webb was failing so miserably ???…

    Why was Sage released to keep Webb around ???…

    I very much think Ponder is the Vikings future at QB…I have no doubts about that…If we get at least 2 more WR’s in the draft..Add them to Rudolf and Wright…We will have a passing game then…And a good one…

    There is only one veteran WR that I would consider bringing in to help out…And that is Fitzgerald…Because he is an elite talent…But is also tan ultimate TEAM player !!!…

    If not for Fitzgerald…Build strickly through the draft at WR…That way they grow UNDER Ponders leadership…And not bring their personal attitudes and view points along with them…

    This team has plenty of talent all over…And only going to get better !!!..

    Draft needs…

    3 WR’s…Yes…3…
    2 LB’s…
    1 DT…
    1 CB…
    1 G…

    That is this fans wish list…

    GREAT SEASON VIKINGS !!!!….

    10-6…Not bad…Not bad at all !!!…

  16. By OTKalil2012 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Draft needs…

    1 QB….

    Forgot competition for Ponder….
    I like Ponder…
    But do not like the back up situation…

  17. By pack13timechamps on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    So the Vikings coaches tried to “surprise” the Packers with a new kid and an option gameplan? The only ones surprised were all the fans watching……..surprised at how truly awful Webb is. If you pick up a QB you would actually have a shot at being mediocre.

  18. By Wah wah... on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Leslie is the biggest loser

  19. By dee jay born on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    i don’t mind playing the cover 2,but ALL GAME??!! the Packers RBs sat in the middle all game and caught dump offs when Jasper Brinkley is flying 15 yards backwards without even checking on the RB..and the one time i can recall that we do blitz,in the 4th quarter obviously,we get a sack..Alan Williams had a bad night on the sidelines….

  20. By TOMMYK#9 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    I think some good things can be taken from this year where I think more was accomplished then expected. 1) Everyone now sees what we have in Webb. An inaccurate qb that can’t read defenses and folds when pressured. Use him somewhere else or cut/trade him. Bethel-Thompson is a better option. 2) Ponder, though he still may not be the guy, showed signs of maturing the last 3 games. Get a free agent backup. Not many good ones out there this year but my choice would be Matt Moore. 3) We made the playoffs without Harvin. This is a good team other than qb and wr. 3 words – Draft Stedman Bailey. Guy has good hands, nice speed and strong as an ox and will probably be available in 2nd or 3rd round. Last – back to Webb. I told you so. He will never be an nfl qb. I like him but if he insists on playing qb, let the raiders have him.

  21. By BlueBird7 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    OK, ALL you Webb haters even the one’s that can’t spell his name!

    I put the blame on Frazier and tha clown that can’t count up to 11.
    His name is Mustgraves.

    Frazier and his side kick, Threw Wedbb into the game, cold, not given
    any snaps prior to the game (Regular season) and expected to pull Frazier’s chestnuts out of the fire.

    Mustgraves, who can’t count to 11 withouit taking his shoes off.

    Get rid of both of those pretend-to-be-coaches. There are plenty of GOOD coaches out there for the taking.

  22. By dee jay born on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Ponder had to be laughing on the inside because his stock just rose dramatically after seeing how the offense played without him..

  23. By TOMMYK#9 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    BlueBird, I am not a Frazier fan either but he got this team to the playoffs. Not really a Musgrave fan either but he got this team to the playoffs. They did a pretty good job using what they had (defense, AD and Rudolph). Pretty good job considering lack of qb experience and wr experience. Sorry but last night is ALL on Webb. You hold the packers to 24 pts at Lambeau in a playoff game, then you should at least be in a position to win. We never were because our qb was absolutely no threat.
    P.S. – With all due respect, you probably shouldn’t be making fun of other peoples spelling.

  24. By BlueBird7 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Ya, I know! WEBB. You anti-Webb jokers have me chewing nails with your total BS on Webb.

    Did any of you jokers see your pal Ponder standing on the sidelines laughing at Joe Webb? Big joke, and Ponder is it! What a great team player, huh……

  25. By vikeforever on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    I like to congratulate the Vikings for s sucessful season. They exceeed everyone expectations. I just like to say that we need to give Webb a brake only starting in 4 games in 2 years and expect to take overr in a playoff game. Its unfortunate for Ponder not to play in his first playoff game, But it does put the rest who is the starting QB for next season.is something I am going to look forward this comiing season…GO VIKES

  26. By dee jay born on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    @BlueBird…yes the backup QBis always supposed to be on standby and ready when called upon,but i agree with you on that. it seemed like they just gave Webb a beginners manual and pushed him into the fire. if we only had Frank Reich’s home phone number last night..

  27. By Spencer on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Give it up man, Webb was pathetic. Cant believe you’re defending him.

  28. By BlueBird7 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Tommy Kramer

    How can it be “all” on Webb? Did he have 12 players on the field?

    Did he miss all those tackles? Protection for him (Kalil) not there!.

    I was not making “fun” of the spelling, just trying to point out that Webb haters
    can’t even get his name correct..I make a few myself…How are your mistakes?

  29. By DRS. on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Webb is not a NFL QB. If he cannot read defenses by now he will never understand how to be a QB. He has talent and should be used in a position that fits them, like WR.

    SKOL Vikings

  30. By BlueBird7 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Spencer

    Webb was “pathetic”? Last night you were all for him!

    If anyone person is “pathetic” it is your new pal Ponder. Move over, Cook!

    BTW, where was your friend Cook last night? Out chasibg girls?

  31. By TOMMYK#9 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    I make plenty of mistakes. I agree. Webb was not the only problem last night as you mention. My “all” on Webb point is that if you are an nfl defense and the opposing qb is playing so badly that you aren’t worried about his passing game, then it sure makes it easier for you. Webb is an athlete. I was hoping he and AD would roll up 300 yds rushing last night but you have to have some threat of a passing game or the defense just disregards it and plays the run. He was never a passing threat. Like I said. Don’t dislike Webb. Think he has nfl talent. I watched him a lot in college. He’s a player. Just not at qb in the nfl.

  32. By BlueBird7 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    DRS

    If Webb was given the chance Ponder had ALL Year, just maybe he coukd be!

  33. By DRS. on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Did the coaches get out on the field and Make Mc Webb trough the ball in to the ground, or over through wide open receivers, or make him unable to avoid one person and run for a first down, yes it was not Webb’s fault but the coaches, LOL.

  34. By BlueBird7 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    You can tell I am STILL hot under the collar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  35. By greatirishpotatofamine on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    No one hates webb its just painfully obvious to everyone that he cant play QB at an NFL level. Thats probably WHY he has only played a couple mediocre games in his career and didn’t take a snap this season. There was only one coach that could have turned this 3-13 team into a playoff team and that was Leslie Frazier. GREAT season, we will never know what could have been

  36. By DRS. on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Mc Webb has had how many years to learn? Just as T-Jack, come on man, your love of them will not make them a NFL QB, Webb is talented but not a QB he is. Like the Yuba thing, LOL. Sorry for any miss spellings.

  37. By BlueBird7 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    DRS

    Just maybe Webb has been watching your pal Ponder do the SAME THING!!!!!

  38. By DRS. on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Yes, we do not hate Webb, we just think he is in the wrong position; he should be a wr or something like that.

  39. By vikings rule on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    if you look at the history of the packers, they have always had top notch qb’s, that’s why they have 4 rings, and several other super bowl appearances. if you look at the history of the vikings, we have never had a top 5 qb, that’s why we don’t have any rings. if they keep Ponder, don’t count on any rings for the next 15 years

  40. By DRS. on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Rally I think you are watching some make believe TV, All I have seen is Ponder mostly coming up with plays to keep the game moving, though he has had his problems as well, that is why I have been saying we need a veteran to lead this team for one or two years and let Ponder learn like Rogers and so many other QB’s have.

  41. By BlueBird7 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    greatirishtatorfarmer

    Sorry, couldn’t resist it.. You state:” Great, will never know what could have been”

    Or, how about “SHOULD have been with a couple of coaches that could think”

  42. By DRS. on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    vikings rule, really: never had a top five? Hmm, how about Fran-T and a couple others I could name.

  43. By vikings rule on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    fran t was not a top 5 qb. he couldn’t win even with a #1 overall defense

  44. By Hugh C on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    (D+P+AD)=W. With a good performance from Ponder, I think MN would of won that game. I believe The Packers are ripe for the picking, They were flat at beginning and if a few things go different. The Pack could have been down 14 to 21 points early. Instead, 1>K Williams made the bone head play of day on third n short when he lined up offsides. 2> J Simpson running a 9 yard come back on third and 10. 3> Webb falling over Mathews on third and whatever it was. Ect… On the other hand the Packers did do a solid job. What really pieces me off is, that this was a great opportunity for Vikings to win it all with a proven formula. Good defense + efficient QB play + AD running wild = great opportunity for Vikings to win it all. (d+p+ad)=w. Instead, Cold hard reality in Vikings Country

  45. By Carl K on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Good Season Vikes!
    The shot gun run option looked good the first series. Why did we stop?
    Webb is not a pocket QB… why didn’t we roll him out more?

    Webb needs to be moved to WR and we need a veteran QB.
    Matt Moore or Tyler Thigpen would be good a free agent backup to pickup that could step in and win a game.

  46. By DRS. on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    For the longest time I think the Vikings thought winning the championship was all that mattered, the SB was just extra gravy, and now that the SB is consider to be the championship they have for gotten how to get there.

  47. By Spencer on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Cook was busy shutting down his side of the field, like he always does.

  48. By vikings rule on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Ponder was a big mistake, they knew he was injury prone on the scouting report, he even missed 2 bowl games, Ponder is mr Harvin the 2nd

  49. By wacky on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    they all should been chewed out for the wrost game played ever!!! draft a real qb!!!

  50. By DRS. on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    vikings rule, look up his stats and you will see he was and wing the SB was just extra gravy back then, The Vikings had won 4 championships to make the SB, Get a clue may man. He held a lot of records by the end of his career.

  51. By vikings rule on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Geno Smith would of been a great qb to pick up in the 2013 draft. too bad Kansas City will take him

  52. By Spencer on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Please, no more running QBs..

  53. By DRS. on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran_Tarkenton

  54. By Greatirishpotatofamine on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    You zinged me bluebird, you always do

  55. By vikings rule on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    if fran t was so good, why did they trade him to the Giants for 5 years? HAAA

  56. By Snoose on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Sorry. but I think Webb is receiving too much blame. I can’t help but wonder how much warning he had that he would be starting. How much did he get to pracice with the team, how much notice, how many reps? His passing was terrible, the hand=offs were awkward but if he didn’t get to practice, that’s on the coaches. The 3rd down penalties hurt us just as much and that 12 man penalty was a knife in the heart. No, this wasn’t just Webb’s fault.

  57. By OTKalil2012 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    I did find myself laughing out loud at one point last night…

    It was when Kalil made a super block on Matthews…Blocking him way around Webb…Taking him back 15 yards around Webb… And pancaking Matthews to the ground….Then what happens ???…

    Webb turns around and trips over Matthews…Giving him a GIFT sack !!!…

    The look on Kalil’s face after that sack was PRICELESS !!!….
    I laughed SO HARD !!!…hahaha…

    Check it out if you taped the game…Or have the courage to watch it again….hahaha… ;-)

    Man Webb stinks !!!…hahaha…

  58. By Iowavikesfan on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Wow, I just watched the Frazier post game speech. Great speech from a great coach. He took a team that was 3 and 13 and went 10 and 6. He did this without his star receiver and best cover corner for a good part of the year. He coached a running back who came within 8 of breaking one of the most coveted records in football. His team never quit but fought to the end win or lose every week. Then you can add to that the fact that he is positive influence on his players and coaches, great job. As fans all we care about is winning the games. Life is bigger than the game of football and Frazier is a winner in life too.

  59. By OTKalil2012 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    C’mon man !!…

    Webb was practicing with the first team all week long…

    Webb is just bad…I’m sorry…

  60. By shawn on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    The most frustrating thing is that next year, Webb, Jenkins, Simpson, Henderson, etc, etc, will still be on the team with Leslie talking about how they have all grown and are ready to do great things. And of course they will still be the under-performing group they have been for several years. Blow this thing up now. Linebackers that can cover the middle of the field. Wide recievers that make space and block. Defensive line that has some young energetic pass rushers. On and On. This really is not a playoff team and just shows how week the others were this year.

  61. By Smith22DMVP on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Ponder has shown enough at the beggining of the year, and the end to keep him next season. Give him a real WR corp and maybe a new guard and see how he does. If he fails to be consistant, then we can look for a new option. At that point the new guy would be coming into a team that is a solid QB away from being contentenders. I personally think Ponder will fight through and make it for us though.

  62. By tom n j on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    to all the people who thought webb should start over ponder I hope
    you are satisfied who should start now Webb is a college QB at best

  63. By OTKalil2012 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    No way Shawn…

    Spielman is cold hearted…Just like a GM should be…

    The only list that matters now…Is Spielmans “naughty & nice” list…

    Frazier “friends” list is gone…Along with the “triangle of confusion” authority…

  64. By Viking Fan in Chicago on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    This was a shame for the Vikings that played so hard all year to go down to a Packer team that I think will have trouble in San Francisco….They had trouble last time stopping Frank Gore and the field gold kicking with Rackers should give the 49ners
    the edge,,,,, Still a 10-6 Viking record is an acheivement over all and the team
    should be proud of its accomplishments this year…

  65. By TOMMYK#9 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    @vikings rule

    I’m a WV and viking fan for over 40 years. I watch every game. Geno Smith – please just say NNooooooooo! Struggles if his first read isn’t there. Has a “Leftwich like” release. I think he will be a starter in the nl early but a backup journeyman in the nfl. Sorry Geno. Hate to say that about a mountaineer. Now Stedman Bailey on the other hand, grab him if he’s available in 2nd round or later.

  66. By DRS. on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    vikings rule, why does this team do so many F-ing dumb trades? Who knows.

  67. By MTfan on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Webb should be a wideout. If he refuses, trade him or release him. Webb, Harvin, and Wright would make a very good recieving core. We need an Offensive Coordinator that understands how to use play action. Musgrave may have been figuring it out these last couple of games, but the playbook isn’t designed for it.

  68. By Matthias on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    I know it seems to be bad right now, but we need a better receiving corps and some other parts to be “very” competive. At least we didn’t destroy Ponder’s by letting him play injured. The only bad taste is that we would have been able to win this game with a better passing game… I just hope that we don’t pull the bucaneers and have a losing season. At least Percy will be back or traded. It looks like he wasn’t interrested what the vikings were doing lately.

  69. By DRS. on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Do you remember the trade with Dallas Cow girls that cost us so much for so many years? You have to love that Herschel Walker.

  70. By Matthias on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    * Ponder’s arm

  71. By MTfan on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    We have great players with great heart. Next year could be awesome with good coaching.

  72. By vikingbob136 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    @ Fred Jones
    Where are you? Your man Webb had his chance last night.i guess like you said, he’s “too athletic” to play or play well. now we can’t even get a 6th rounder for him in a trade. Turn him into a WR or cut him.

  73. By DRS. on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Let’s get a good back-up QB, maybe Tebow, some good receivers and a D-line man. SKOL Vikings!

  74. By vikingbob136 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    No one had predicted us to win 10 games. No one predicted us to win 4 games down the stretch. No one predicted Ponder to play his best game of the year against the Packers.
    All Viking fans should hold their heads up high for the good season we had.
    A few more players at key positions will make us division and maybe even NFC
    champs.

  75. By coloradovikes on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    I am hoping all the guys that kept calling for Webb will now close their mouths. If they do open them again they are just looking for attention, please dont give it to em… #2 Vikes need to seriously go after Jennings at WR.. He is a free agent throw lots of dough his way.. #3 Trade Harvin for a first rounder. he doesnt want to be here anyway… #4 Kevin Williams PLEASE retire we need more than a space saver at that position. And btw thanks for a good career Kevin

  76. By vikings rule on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Les S. turned Dallas into a dynesty with that trade

  77. By DRS. on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    vikingbob136, predicted 10-6 in the pre-season and was ridiculed for it, I knew this team had talent, maybe not SB talent.

  78. By vikingbob136 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Please NO TEBOW. That guy can’t throw. Give Ponder one more year to develop
    some more.
    Draft a WR,CB,DL,LB.

  79. By OTKalil2012 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Webb can’t catch…They tried making him a WR…

    Webb needs to go…

    Just because you can jump high…Does not give you agility to make cuts and run routes…Or give you great hands or balance…

    RB’s need speed ~ plus good vision and instincts…

    Webb has already spent 3 years on this team trying to learn something…
    Last night Webb showed he has learned nothing these past 3 seasons…

    The Webb experiment is now closed…Or at least it should be…

  80. By DRS. on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    The Vikings need to fill a few holes and then they will be contenders, SKOL Viking, have a great day and see you all later.

  81. By QB on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Webb had no excuse for playing as bad as he did in a critical game.

    First, he has been the # 2 QB all year and he’s had plenty of reps. It’s his job to step up and play well when his # is called or he shouldn’t be the # 2 qb.

    That said, Frazier and Musgrave could have used him much better. He to me has never been an accurate passer, so why not have Wright coming in motion alot mixing reverses and options. Also, where was the screen. With all that pressure we should have mixed in Toby on some screens.

    Finally, the absolute killer was Kevin Williams lining up in the neutral zone on third down to extend that drive. He actually lined up offsides the play before that and got away with it. That play changed the momentum and is inexcuseable for a 10 year vet.

  82. By vikingbob136 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    @ DRS
    You might have predicted 10-6 but when we went from 5-2 to 6-6 it was painful to read the comments left here. So much negativity is awful for morale.

  83. By DRS. on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    vikingbob136, I meant to say I predicted 10-6 in the pre-season and was ridiculed for it, I knew this team had talent, maybe not SB talent

  84. By DRS. on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    vikingbob136, that be true.

  85. By DRS. on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Got to be going, have fun.

  86. By Woodboat on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Amen to all the Webb-bashers….

    “Just give him a chance!” is all we heard. Well, the young man had his chance. I didn’t expect him to be able to come out and sling it all over the yard, but that was just pitiful.

    The announcers stated incessantly that he hadn’t thrown a pass all season. What, not even in practice? It looked like he hadn’t even picked up a BALL all year… like he hadn’t attended a meeting.

    So, although I admit it’s too easy, I throw in my voice to have the young man moved permanently to WR or the unemployment line. Waste of a roster spot as it is. It was embaras sing for him and the entire organization to have him on the field.

    As far as being optimistic about next year… Peterson isn’t going to go for 2000+ yards again. Without him having the year he had, the Vikes don’t win 6 games. He’ll be less than he was this year, only stands to reason. Hopefully Ponder will get it in his 3rd season… you know, the one they used to preach about as being a QBs breakout year.

    Please…get some WRs…. Green Bay has about 20 of them, the worst of which is better than anything we had on the field last night.

  87. By vikingbob136 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Kevin Williams lining up off sides.Brinkley running off the field as the 12th man.We gave the Packers a few gifts last night.Can’t make any errors and expect to win against a quality team.

  88. By Parkway on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Will be gone list:
    Musgrave
    Shadu
    Burton
    Webb
    Fusco
    Sherels
    E. Henderson

    SHOULD be gone list:
    K Williams
    J. Allen
    T. Gerhardt
    C. Johnson
    J. Brinkley

  89. By vikingbob136 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    I have never seen someone make such horrible throws like Webb did last night.
    He was so off i thought there was a 2 pound weight in the ball he was using.
    I know a playoff game is not the place to make your season debut, but man that was ugly.

  90. By OTKalil2012 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    I just think how ticked off Wilf & Spielman must be with how our back up QB preformed last night ???…

    It is pretty obvious to Zygi and Spielman, along with the fans…Webb had no right being the 2nd QB on this team !!!…Not even close…

    So why, was Webb in that position ???…
    Is MBT that bad also he could have not been put in to play ???…

    If so…The Vikings do need to address that situation in this springs draft…

  91. By Parkway on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    I don’t know why everyone is getting so down on Webb but yet think Ponder is a god:

    The 2 games @ Green Bay:

    Ponder: 12/25 1 TD, 2 INTs 119 yards.
    Webb: 11/30 1 TD 180 yards, 1 INT
    Um yeah Webb is way worse guys…..
    Oh and final scores, 23-14, 24-10

  92. By vikingbob136 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Take it easy OTK. Spielman will fix our backup QB problem. Breathe a little now that the season is over and let’s draft some talent.

  93. By norsejeremyw on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Last night’s game was ripe for the picking, and someone(s) couldn’t see that. Plain, simple, and sad~ With a loss, however it should burn for some of the coaches, maybe for the better~

  94. By dan smith on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Webb sucks and Frazier always looks constipated…ponfer let us down

  95. By Barb on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    I am a Viking Fan win or lose. Why was Audie Cole not played last night or this season? He looked great in the preseason? I am not saying would have made a difference. Who knows may have. Webb is an example of what happens when you only play a back-up QB once a year.
    We will get-em next year.

  96. By Parkway on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Fraziers job shouldn’t be safe, and he certainly should not get an extension. Look at the games that come down to coaching, we fail every time. I think our turn around is much more attributable to the great draft we had more than any amount of coaching. Tampa 2 and west coast offense needs to be gone they are such terrible systems.

  97. By skolpurpleandgold on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Last game was a fail on the coaching staff. For not preparing Webb thruout the practice week.For not playing him in games this year when ponder couldnt get it together.Webb is a great threat but thats not a good situation to be put in. I think they should have played Webb all last year when they dumped Nab, at least we would have known what we had there.

  98. By OTKalil2012 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Parkway…

    Do you even want to list the amount of “garbage time stats” the Packers were TRYING to give Webb in the 4th quarter…
    So the Vikings keep mighty Joe around for a few more seasons ???…

  99. By dan smith on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Webb sucks, Frazoer always looks constipated, ponder let us down, its great to be Viking fan….not

  100. By vikingbob136 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Not sure why Webb just didn’t keep running.He looked like he could have ran for over 100 yards with his speed.

  101. By norsejeremyw on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    And yes, I remember the Herschel Walker- trade~ Mr. Ballet and things~

  102. By vikingbob136 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    No extension for Frazier. Let his record speak for itself. If the team continues to progress, then he can have a new contract when current on expires.
    Aren’t we still paying Chilly?

  103. By dan smith on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Parkway, your an idiot, go root for the packers. Gerhardt, and brinkley played their ass off this year

  104. By Parkway on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    OTK: All Ponder ever has is garbage time stats. In that green bay game, I believe Ponder was 3/11 for 50 yards and 2 INTs before garbage time.

  105. By Parkway on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    @Dan: Brinkley is terrible, and Gerhardt should be traded for picks. And Gerhardt played like 6 plays all year.

  106. By Matthias on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    At least we a better pick in the draft than the pack….

  107. By OTKalil2012 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    By vikingbob136 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Take it easy OTK. Spielman will fix our backup QB problem. Breathe a little now that the season is over and let’s draft some talent.

    ____________________

    It was a good season…Was just hoping QB might not be of such a high priority in this springs draft…And its not because of Ponder…
    But who is going to backing him up ???…

    The Vikings may choose a QB in the first round now…I wanted several other positions filled…Before worrying about the QB position… :-(

  108. By vikingbob136 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    I would rather still be playing than get a better draft choice.

  109. By Dr. Remulak on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    I’m with you OTK.

    We let Sage go? For this guy? I guarantee we would have been in this game if Sage was the backup.

  110. By Mike B. on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    You guys are such big whiners. We lost a football game against the Packers. That’s awful, but not the first time it’s happened. Joe Webb came in and tried to win the Game. That’s what he was suppose to do. We all knew there was questions if he could be a starting QB. Everyone want to see him come in and dominate as he had coming in relief of Farve. That didn’t happen. So now we know. The coaches kept Ponder out of the game cause he was hurt and couldn’t produce as a QB should. That was not a mistake. There was plenty of mistakes during the game all around in the game and we lost because of it. Time to get over it and move onto next year and the future of the Vikings. Some of the players on this team today will be gone, but they have a good core of players. They should be better next year. Goo Vikings.

  111. By vikingbob136 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    @OTK
    I would doubt that we would take a QB in the 1st or even 2nd round.We still have MBT although who knows what he can do in a real game situation.
    Spielman is aware of the needs we have and i believe he wants Ponder to have one more year to show us what he can do.

  112. By Parkway on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    I wouldn’t mind seeing Nassib in the 3rd round if he is still there.

  113. By vikingbob136 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    @ Mike B
    I agree 100 percent!

  114. By vikingbob136 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Everyone have a good day.Going to gym to take out my frustration.

  115. By OTKalil2012 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    By Dr. Remulak on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    I’m with you OTK.

    We let Sage go? For this guy? I guarantee we would have been in this game if Sage was the backup.

    _______________

    I wonder who made that decision ???…Sage was Spielmans boy…

    Did Frazier want to keep Webb over Sage ???…
    Seeing as Spielman most likely wanted MBT’s youth on the team ???…

    Did Frazier make a similar McNabb move this spring with Webb again ???…

    Is that a possible reason…MBT was not played at all last night ???…

  116. By Parkway on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Maybe we should get Jordan Rodgers in the 7th round, you know he’d work his @ss off to show up his older brother in the same division.

  117. By Mike B. on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    On the QB issue I honestly believe that Ponder will be the QB to beat for the starting job next year. I disagree with most saying that we should have kept Sage. His salary would have prevented him from staying on the team as a the #3 and MBT showed enough to fill that role. I think it was the right plan to keep Webb as the #2, his rookie salary and atheltic potential was enough to make that decision a correct one. I do see Webb falling to the #3 spot next season. I am not sure the team spends the money to bring in a FA QB and we have more pressing needs for our #1 pick. Some of you will disagree, but that’s how I see it going forward. BTW as Ioook at it we went from 3-13 to 10-6 so yes Frazier is safe for this year. Does he get an extension maybe with a performance clause for next year.

  118. By Nicholas on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    What was with Jasper Brinkley being the 12th man on the field, thus allowing 7 points instead of 3?

    Good year Vikes! I hope that we have another good draft and show some consistency on both sides of the ball next year!!!

  119. By lance on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    This is why we should have kept Sage! At least he has the experience and ball skills to have made it a closer game!

  120. By SoCalVike on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Hire Norv Turner as o.c.

  121. By Mike B. on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Parkway I really don’t know what they heck you’re thinking. Some of the things you post make me wonder about your football IQ.

  122. By Parkway on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    About what Mike let’s hear your genius

  123. By SmileyStar on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    I thought Webb did a good job after not throwing the ball in a game all season and playing without a game plan. It’s not his fault that we lost. He played as well as Ponder has all season. When we get behind Ponder does just as bad if not worse. Most of Ponders yardage is in garbage time. There were more attempts down the field with Webb than Ponder. Webb led receivers to give them a chance to get yards after the catch unlike Ponder. When is a QBs potential decided by one game. One game where the entire team played like garbage. A game in which the coaching staff planned on ponder playing. Ponder couldn’t go. Not his fault. But it is the coaches fault for not having a backup plan and not preparing the team for the possibility of Ponder being on the side line. As shocked as the Fans were, the players were just as shocked and played like it. AP never got going after the first drive and we haven’t exactly played well in the passing game since 2009.

  124. By Parkway on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Wow Smiley another sane fan on here!

  125. By purplebleeder on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Can’t believe people are still hoping for something to happen with Webb. He was not mentally nor physically prepared to play. His performance was an embarassment to himself, the coaches and the fans. He had the opportunity to watch and learn from Brett Favre and Donovan and that is how he plays against GB… He definitely did not show up when his number was called. Remember how TJ Yates played as a rookie when Schaub went down… How about how Colin Kaepernick played when called upon in SF… Vikings need to move on without Webb.

  126. By OTKalil2012 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    I think Frazier needs to earn that contract extension…

    I am not happy with what happened last night, if I am Zygi or Spielman…

    Webb should not have been the QB in position to play that game…
    Frazier should have had a better back up plan in place for a playoff contending team…

    Am I saying fire Frazier….NO !!!…Not by any means…
    But let next year work itself out…Then decide on Frazier and the Vikings future together…imo…

    Frazier has a year left on his contract…Let him earn an extension next season…

  127. By Dr. Remulak on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    We played the same team last week and our offense lead by PONDER scored 37 points on them.

    Last night our offense, lead by JOE WEBB, scored 10 points.

    Christian Ponder is Joe F.ucking Montana compared to Joe Webb.

  128. By Parkway on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Something we can agree on OTK. No reason to give Frazier an extension when he has a year left on his contract. What if we go 3-13 again next season and we already gave him an extension? Let’s not have another childress fiasco

  129. By Mike B. on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    I see our most pressing needs are on the OL. We need a replacement for Charlie Johnson and Phil Loadholt. I think Phil played better at the end of the season, but not enough to get him his new contract. Musgrave is a Frazier decision (and yes I think Frazier is safe). WR core will change next year. Aromashadu, Jenkins will probably be gone. TE I am question the money we spent on John Carlson. Toby Gerhart will stay unless another team wants to trade for him. I think the LB core stays, but we get more depth. I am not saying one of the current guys won’t become that depth. Defensive Line core players will stay. We may look for that starting nose tackle. I agree with Scherels and we will probably draft a WR/ PR/KR.

  130. By Spencer on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Next season will be Bobby Felder time. He has amazing ball skills.

  131. By Parkway on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    I don’t think there is any possible way e. henderson come back. He is terrible. He and brinkley are FA this offseason there is no reason to waste money on them. I’d rather see Audie cole learn on the job.

  132. By OTKalil2012 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    If you give Frazier an extension to quickly…I think Frazier believes he can buck against what Spielman wants to do…And that would be the WORST thing that could happen for this team…

    Frazier is not far removed from the “triangle of authority”….Frazier has to learn…That system is NOT coming back…And that Spielman is the man in charge now…

    Giving Frazier an extension early…Might cause waves in authority…imo..

  133. By OTKalil2012 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Spencer…

    I am looking forward to seeing Blanton compete next season also…

    If the Vikings make a splash in the draft this spring at WR and LB…Like they did in the secondary last spring ???…

    This team is going to be SCARY !!!…

  134. By Parkway on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    I want to see Mathieu at safety. Our turnovers will increase tenfold

  135. By BlueBird7 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Things I would like to see:

    Joe Webb kicking Frazier’s ass for keeping him on the bench all year.

    GreenBay getting to the Superbowl, so Denver can kick THEIR-ass!

    Mustgrave standing on the corner hitching a ride back to the Ravens.

  136. By VaVikingsFan on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Can we get some proven winners to run this team? 45 years of this mess is getting old. Yes, the team did much better this year than expected, but what a flop last night was. We were done at half time. I just can’t understand why this orgainization can’t see to win championships, you need chapmionship calliber players at key positions. Chanpionship calliber coaches, and a front office that wants it more than anything. We lack that killer instinct.

  137. By OTKalil2012 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    By Parkway on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    I don’t think there is any possible way e. henderson come back. He is terrible. He and brinkley are FA this offseason there is no reason to waste money on them. I’d rather see Audie cole learn on the job.

    ______________

    I like Audie Cole a lot…

  138. By SmileyStar on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Last week AP ran over and destroyed the Packers. Ponder didn’t win the game he just didn’t lose the game. Last night the commentators were saying how inexperienced our receivers are and how Harvin is our leading receiver who’s not even playing. The biggest issue last night is that they didn’t get the offense in rhythm early. They made the team one sided early on. The first play of the game should have been a passing play. To let the packers know that we can. We didn’t do that and the packers just played AP. Everything that could have gone wrong last night did.

  139. By VaVikingsFan on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    @Mike B in regards to your post about whinners, this will be about the 44th time I have heard, “wait until next year”. I love this team, and honestly, they did much better this year than I thought they would. It drives me crazy that we can’t, not once, put together a winning combination. It’s always something, no WR, rooking QB, someone is hurt. .. there is no excuse for this organization to not put it together at least once in the 44 years I have been following them. This group needs to be held to a high standard next year, everybody keeps saying, we will be better, that means a division championship or its a failure. Hold them accountable. We are wasting the best running back in football, soon he will be done and the opportunity will be missed. we need answers now, not 5 years from now.

  140. By SmileyStar on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Has a backup ever started a post-season game after not throwing the ball in the regular season and won?

  141. By purplebleeder on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Ponder is not the solution at QB. Place him in any lineup in the NFL like NE and Denver and they wouldn’t even be close to being a championship quality team or winning it all.

  142. By Dr. Remulak on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Ponders 3 TD’s had nothing to do with our win last week?

  143. By autobon7 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    We need to trade OTKalil as well as Harvin….maybe a package deal.

  144. By purplebleeder on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Credit goes to Harvin and AP for a successful season, they made Ponder look like a decent QB with their incredible plays all season long. AP’s running threat every Sunday opened up the passing game making up some if not most of Ponder’s passing numbers.
    Ponder lacks the leadership and professionalism on and off the field compared to Manning and Brady; heck, not even close compared to the rookies like Luck, RGIII and Wilson.

  145. By Mike B. on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    VaVikings Fan I hear you but that’s how it goes isn’t it. I am sure long time Buffalo Bills fans feel the same way. And a few other teams. AP may never even see a Super Bowl. Is that a shame probably but it happens.

  146. By coloradovikes on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    1. Trade Harvin for picks doesnt want to be here.
    2. Get rid of webb, sherels, henderson and a few others
    3. Give GREG JENNINGS the dough, he will be a free agent and we need recievers bad.
    4. Kevin Williams needs to retire.. Draft a new dt and linebacker

  147. By Daniel on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Joe Webb must be cut, he’s not a NFL QB

  148. By coloradovikes on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    and BTW, does anyone despise Rogers and his smug arrogant attitude as much as me? One of his quotes last night.. “we have to play better and figure out a way to put teams like that away”… So he obviously has no respect for the vikes or there players… If I was a player on this team I couldnt wait for next year to bury this guy with a little headhuntin…

  149. By Parkway on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    We will definitely never win a superbowl with Ponder. We missed out on Luck. We could have lost 2 more games last year and been a playoff contender every year for the next 15 years. But instead we decided to get AD injured and stick with a QB that will be out of the league in 2-3 years.

    Same stuff from this organization. We like moral victories more than actual victories. “Maybe next year”. That should hang somewhere in their facility.

  150. By autobon7 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    For all those that are writting off Webb and blaming him for our team loss……you all need to be traded. How can we not give this guy 1 snap or 1 play ALL SEASON and then at the last minute ask him to flip the switch? Has he had the same oppertunity as Ponder to start and develope? Is it his fault that the staff did not stay with a running game that looked pretty darn good to me on the 1st drive? I would have run run run until GB proved they could shut it down. Heck thats what got us here in the 1st place so why would you start passing on the second series when we ran so good on the 1st?

  151. By VaVikingsFan on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Thanks Mike, let’s hope our front office does not feel that way, if they do this team will never win a Super Bowl.

  152. By purplebleeder on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    There is a lot of truth with Harvin’s frustration before the season and the truth was told as this season played out. Can’t blame him for the competitor he is. Offense was horribad with the exception of AP, Harvin and Rudolph.

  153. By purplebleeder on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    @autoban7, why wouldn’t you write him off? That was an embarassing performance, he had the chance to watch and learn from Brett Favre and Donovan and played horribly when his number was called upon. He just doesn’t get the NFL QB position. TJ Yates and Colin Kaepernick were respectable when called upon. Yates was a rookie when Schaub went down and was thrown into the starting lineup. Need me to remind you of when Manning wasn’t playing last year and their backup played like garbage as Webb and is no longer with Indy.

  154. By BlueBird7 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    autoban7

    Save your typing, I said the same thing countless times.

    These anti-Webb know-it-alls are still stuck on Ponder and Frazier.

    This team is going NOWHERE with those two onboard.

  155. By OTKalil2012 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Lets see how other analysts think of mighty Joe Webbs performance ???…

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1468221-grading-every-team-from-wildcard-weekend#/articles/1468221-grading-every-team-from-wildcard-weekend/page/5

  156. By DrinkHeavy on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Take a breath. This is the NFL’s 3rd youngest team that went from 3-13 to the playoffs with a rebuilt OL, 2nd year QB and a patched up secondary. We got a gift season from AP. You could be a Bears or Lions fan – they never beat the Packers at all this season and did not make the playoffs.

    That said, this game should have been a lot closer. I heard a lot of pundits on ESPN saying these teams know each other so well, so the game should be close. But it was clear that the Vikes did not come in prepared to play. Honestly, if the Ponder who played these last 4 games was able to play last night, we might have kept the chains moving in some situations. But the defense just wasn’t up to it regardless. On the road, against a guy like Rogers, you can’t show up with a “C” game on D and expect to win. Sitting back in cover 2 might negate some big plays, but that approach assumes you have an offense that scores consistently. With your starting QB down, that would be very unlikely (even with AP in the backfield) and so you have to take some chances on D. Defense wins road playoff games and we didn’t get a good effort yesterday.

    I was never a big fan of Frazier and this coaching staff, but they do deserve credit for getting this team to the playoffs. At the same time, don’t think he deserves a contract extension at this point. I also think they should go after another QB to compete with Ponder next year – I just don’t think he’s done enough.

    See you all next year

    GO VIKES

  157. By autobon7 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Im with ya BlueBird7……seems like all the same folks that are calling for Webb to be ousted are the same folks that want to give Ponder a million games (and excuses). Pathetic really.

  158. By autobon7 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Defense didn’t play a bad game I think I agree with DrinkHeavy that it was our DC calling the wrong game plan. I have had more trouble with our OC (the one thing I think 98% of us can all agree on) than DC but he was really off last night. That was a plan that would be ok if we were leading.

    As for those calling for Scherels….the dude played well all year and all last night save for the one BIG mistake. I say keep him. Boy…it must be great to be those folks that are calling for Scherels as they NEVER make a mistake.

  159. By purplebleeder on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Never supported Ponder

  160. By Vikes4life06 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    My final thoughts after this game…yes it was in the heat of the moment after the loss

  161. By OTKalil2012 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/51951/a-bizarre-conclusion-for-the-vikings

  162. By norsejeremyw on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    @Coloradovikes~ Yes, I have noticed Rodgers’ little attitude bs, too~ I can’t stand it!! I was going to comment on it last night. I had a myriad of things goin on in my head, tho~

  163. By 1vikingsfan on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Time to change the OC. We weren’t prepare at all

  164. By norsejeremyw on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Hopefully, last night’s performance sheds some light on areas of concern for the Vikes!!

  165. By norsejeremyw on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    @ OTK~ Enlightening article~ You’d think the coaches would have known Webb’s limitations way before last night~ I, myself don’t get it, or I’m missing something~

  166. By Parkway on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    We will definitely never win a superbowl with Ponder. We missed out on Luck. We could have lost 2 more games last year and been a playoff contender every year for the next 15 years. But instead we decided to get AD injured and stick with a QB that will be out of the league in 2-3 years.

    Same stuff from this organization. We like moral victories more than actual victories. “Maybe next year”. That should hang somewhere in their facility…

  167. By Poonder on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Lost all respect for Ponder, can’t play because of tennis elbow..Are was it because he could’nt take the pressure..Get rid of him no need to keep a player that don’t have no heart..Also Joe Webb is dirt, would of had a better chance of winning with Chris Kluwe at QB..

  168. By lance on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    I Know people are going to cry about what im going to write… But by the position we will be ijn this draft. We should be going after Mike Glennon at QB wont be a reach and he is very talented. Gives us a chance to see if Ponder can produce next year while Glennon sits for a year. If he competes and beats out Ponder maybe Harvin may stay because this guy has a great arm and accuracy! Not a running qb either. Would be a threat on the deep ball and should compliment peterson. Also, is Ponder is the future Glennon will fetch good trade.

    I like toby i think we should keep him. He can catch the ball but I wonder if he would be a better full back in my opinion.

    I am excited for Blanton as well! I liked him during the detroit game this year! Maybe he will start beside H smith!

    My only other request is maybe make a push for Ryan Mallet. Get rid of webb and sherals for sure.

  169. By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Otto 80,

    Nobody thinks that Webb played well (use well, not “good” for proper English).

    Neither did the Vikings team play well.

    Hey…maybe there is something to that…duh!

    In addition, watch your terroristic threats. With the rash of shootings at schools you might want to tone it down some!!!

  170. By Parkway on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    I’m on board with glennon lance. I don’t think there is any chance we do it sadly, but I’d like to see it.

  171. By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    BlueBird7,

    You are right. A lot of us are smart enough to know that as the TEAM goes the QB goes.

    Too many people blame the QB, Coach, or Owner when they don’t even know what goes on behind the scenes!

    Maybe the Green Bay Packers were just better this year? What a radical statement sure to get jones in trouble again?

  172. By Vikes4life06 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Can i get some input on my video? bad or good

  173. By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Our Offensive Line is getting better.
    Our Defensive Secondary is getting better.
    Our Linebackers are getting worse.
    Our Wide Receivers are about the same. (not good enough)

    Can all these things be remedied without the draft or free agency?

    These are the questions Otto 80, and others should be asking.

  174. By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    In addition we could be a better TEAM, as opposed to a group of individuals.

    Start cutting down on the individual celebrations (especially those at mid-field in the first quarter) now that we have solved some of the big team issues.

    Get rid of an anchors that weigh the team down. You and I probably have some idea who those people are, but the coaches deal with them daily.

  175. By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    We cannot control where we draft without sacrificing a lot.

    But there are a lot of areas we can control.

    Those are the ones jones thinks we should concentrate our efforts.

  176. By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    We have good YOUNG Quarterbacks. Please learn how to grow with them.

  177. By autobon7 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Vikes4life06…..I like your passion for the Viks. I cannot let my 10 year old watch for obvious reasons but I do share your enthusiasm. I did hit the like button on the tube.

  178. By realviking on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Glennon has a horrible throwing motion and poor mechanics, I want a quarterback but I at least want one who can get the job done.

    How about we draft a quarterback and sign a legit vet so the young guy can sit and learn until the right time.

  179. By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Someone made the comment “that’s MN sports wait until next year.”

    That is SOUR GRAPES. We are LUCKY to do as well as we do.

    The Vikings, at last check, were among the top 5 winniest NFL teams by percentage. Please compare to the Browns, Chiefs, Jets, Lions, Raiders, etc.

    THERE IS NO COMPARISON!!!

  180. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Weeb is horrible.

  181. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Webb

  182. By Jayson on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    That was a hard loss to swallow but ya know, as a lifelong Vikings fan, I have to say that I am very pleased with how this season turned out. 10-6 after a 3-13 season? that is fantastic! we beat some pretty good teams this year and it was so nice to see them make the ployoffs. I really believe that this team is only gonna get better. Im looking forward to seeing this team work hard in the off season and come back stronger next season. SKOL VIKINGS!

  183. By Spencer on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Every QB has growing paints, I get that, but Ponder is a game manager most of the time. Nothing more. He was drafted as a game manager, at least I hope anyway. He’s never going to be elite. Ever.

  184. By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    GET A LEG UP!!!

  185. By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Ponder could be the next Steve Young.

    Webb could be the next Terry Bradshaw.

    Check your histories of other teams in addition to the Vikings. QBs do not develop over night (except in rare cases).

    Often these things have to do with the TEAM!!!

  186. By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    THE PACKERS WERE THE BETTER TEAM ON SATURDAY!

  187. By purple08 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    What did you morons think was going to happen with a QB with no experience? This was a GREAT year! Stop whining about Ponder and whether YOU think he is not tough enough. You pieces of sh it have no clue about anything that goes on within the team so shut your whiny little mouths. Gotta love the internet generation. Keyboard tough guys can complain about things they know nothing about from the comfort of their parents basement.Good job Ponder, good job Frazier, good job AP and good job Vikings! sorry this blog is filled with a generation of spoiled babies who take everything they have for granted and have nothing to do but whine on the internet.

  188. By autobon7 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Totally agree with Spencer in that Ponder is nothing more than a game manager. We win in spite of him not because of him.

  189. By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    THEY OUT COACHED US.

    THEY OUT RAN US.

    THEY OUT P@ASSED US.

    THEY OUT DEFENSED US.

    THEY OUT SPECIAL TEAMED US.

    GET A LEG UP!!!

  190. By realviking on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    We need some receivers, linebackers, and a real quarterback who can at least hit our receivers when they get open.

  191. By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    This is the correct attitude we should all shoot for:

    Written by Jayson——

    That was a hard loss to swallow but ya know, as a lifelong Vikings fan, I have to say that I am very pleased with how this season turned out. 10-6 after a 3-13 season? that is fantastic! we beat some pretty good teams this year and it was so nice to see them make the ployoffs. I really believe that this team is only gonna get better. Im looking forward to seeing this team work hard in the off season and come back stronger next season. SKOL VIKINGS!

  192. By lance on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    http://nflsfuture.com/2012/12/15/mike-glennon-scouting-report/

    See I just wanted to point out that a lot of professionals don’t think Glennon’s mechanics are that bad. Certainly his throwing motion seems just fine to me! I also said let him sit behind Ponder for a year but I do think webb needs to go WR or another position maybe he can return kicks?

  193. By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    The correct attitude we should all shoot for:

    Written by Jayson——

    That was a hard loss to swallow but ya know, as a lifelong Vikings fan, I have to say that I am very pleased with how this season turned out. 10-6 after a 3-13 season? that is fantastic! we beat some pretty good teams this year and it was so nice to see them make the ployoffs. I really believe that this team is only gonna get better. Im looking forward to seeing this team work hard in the off season and come back stronger next season. SKOL VIKINGS!

  194. By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    —-Ponder could be the next Steve Young.

    Webb could be the next Terry Bradshaw.

    Check your histories of other teams in addition to the Vikings. QBs do not develop over night (except in rare cases).

    Often these things have to do with the TEAM!!!

  195. By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    *****Get a leg up all you young dudes!!!

  196. By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

  197. By Parkway on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    My wishlist, best case scenario:

    Coaches:
    1. Fire Musgrave. He is terrible. Calls the wrong plays at the wrong time. He is not maximizing the talent that he has on the team.

    2. Bring in an OC that DOES NOT USE WEST COAST OFFENSE. It is pathetic and predictable. We need an OC that will maximize our talent and not just run a cookie cut ter system.

    3. Keep our DC ONLY if we lose the tampa 2, other wise find a new DC.

    4. DO NOT EXT END FRAZIER. One and done should not be our level of aspirations. He has one year left on his contract. It should be division championship or bust for Frazier next year.

    Players:
    1. Cu t:
    Sherels, Aromashadu, S. Burton, C. John son, J. Carlson, AJ Jefferson

    2. Resign: Loadholt, Brinkley as a backup

    3. Trade:
    Gerhardt for a 3rd round, Webb for a 6th round, Harvin for a first and 2nd round, K williams for 4th round, J. Allen for 3rd round.

    Draft (with the aforementioned picks):
    Trade 2 thirds and a 6th for high 2nd round
    First Round: Ogletree (ILB)
    First Round: Xavier Rhodes (CB)
    Second Round: Rogers (WR)
    Second Round: Kawann Short (DT)
    Third Round: Gabe Jackson (OG)
    Fourth Round: Wreh-Wilson (CB)
    Fourth Round: Ryan Sw ope (WR)
    Fourth Round: Cornellius Carradine (DE)
    Fifth Round: Ro dney Smith (WR)
    Sixth Round: Tyrann Mathieu (CB)
    Seventh Round: Jor dan Rodgers (QB)

    Free Agency:
    Lev itre (OG)
    Bo we (WR)

  198. By Smith22DMVP on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    At least the Wild should start up soon for MN Sports!

  199. By Parkway on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Some Notes:
    I realize that we probably WON’T trade kw ill and J. Allen, but they should really consider trying to get something for them before they are wo rthless. That would also free up a lot of cap space for the FA moves that I mentioned.

    Ogle tree, Rho des, and Sho rt along with our current players would provide us a top 3 defense. I want to see Math ieu moved to safety since he is undersized at CB but has treme ndous ba ll skills.

    I think Da’ri ck Rogers is the best WR in the draft bu t his off the field iss ues drop him into the 2nd round.

    Kaw ann sho rt will clo g the middle for Griffen and Robison to do work at the en ds.

    Levi tre will be the prized OG this offseason so he will require some money, but we will have a lot freed up if we lost Allen and Will iams and Carl son.

    Bowe, Rogers, Wright, Swo pe, Jenkins will be a great WR core.

    I’m half kidding on Jor dan Rod gers… but as a 7th round pi ck there’s not much to lose. Maybe his pas sion for beating his brother in the same division will be so great he’ll lead us to many superbowls.

  200. By autobon7 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Frederick Jones is right in that we need to keep things in perspective. We win as a team and lose as a team. Our team had a great year coming off a 3-13 season. Sure we are all disappointed that our season is over but did we expect to be in the playoffs before the season began? If we continue to draft well and lock up key players, tweek the staff (OC), we should be in good shape. Keep your chins up. I am proud of ALL our players.

  201. By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    @Parkway,

    You want to cut Marcus Sherels because he dropped one punt. That is the only punt he dropped all season.

    As for his defensive backfield play he is similar to Webb in that he rarely got to play.

    Why do you think pitchers can’t hit? It’s mainly because they are not given the opportunity in practice.

    Sherels is the quickest player on the Vikings!

  202. By Spencer on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Sherals is good as gone as far as im concerned, hes an average return man at best and just isn’t a good cornerback.

    He had a good run, but he just isnt very good.

  203. By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    It’s also shocking to fredOFjones the lack of support for Coach Frazier.

    What does he have to do?

  204. By VikesShield on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Fraiser is a good coach… a lot of coaches won’t man up and make a inspiring speech to the players after a tough loss..and for are you doubters who said vikings will suck this year and wont make the playoffs I got 2 words for you F#CK YOU

  205. By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Jones is betting that Sherels is the best punt returner the Vikings have had in over ten years statistically.

  206. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    What? Spencer, are you on your meds today? Sherels has a lot of talent.

  207. By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    In fact statistically Sherels may be the best punt returner the Vikings have EVER had!!!

  208. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Frazier should be coach of the year.

  209. By Parkway on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    I had hope for Sherels when we first acquired him since he is very quick, but he is only an average punt returner and terrible as a CB so there is no need to keep a player like that.

  210. By autobon7 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Parkway…..I would like to tweek your list if I may.

    I would not cut Sherels….rest ok to cut.
    Trade Williams and maybe Harvin depending upon what is REALLY going on behind the scenes.
    Musgrave MUST GO…no ifs and or buts. AND lose west coast as it S*cks A**
    Lose the tampa 2 or get new DC
    Agree to play wait n see for Frasier
    As far as QB Im kinda tossed up at the moment. I always wanted to see what Webb could do if given the SAME chance to develope as Ponder but looks like that will never happen with this staff. I do not want Alex Smith (we already have the younger version of him), or Vick, or most anyone avail via FA or trade. Drafting a QB out of a weak class I say no. I say with a new OC we play Ponder and throw in Webb in heavy doses when we want to shake it up or against a weak run defense.

  211. By vikingmike on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    First of all… great year Vikes. After á 3-13 year and A.D. blowing out his knee, very few expected this.

    Secondly…everyone wants to win in the playoffs and make the Superbowl but being realistic, this team is still about 5 players short of that.

    And lastly…I thought our coaching staff did a nice job with this team and actually got them to over achieve. Look at all the teams that the ‘experts’ say have more talent and didn’t make the playoffs/ had a terrible year: Cowboys,Giants,Lions,Steelers,Chargers, Eagles, Saints, Chiefs. All those teams have more talent and their coaches couldn’t get it done. I like that Frazier is level headed and has character. You could be a Detroit fan and have Schwartz as your coach or Jason Garrett. I think we have it better than many of you think. But you are entitled to your opinion.

    Looking forward to the off-season and another a good draft.

  212. By Jack on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Webb can’t be blamed for bad recievers. The guy throws the ball hard not the floaters like ponder. Webb throws the ball like hard Farve used too. Our defense also could of helped us out a little more last night, along with shrels fair catching everything. If we take away that turn over by marcus and the too many men on the field we were still in good shape. We needed to go for the win and not play conservative. We didn’t try any trick plays or switch the offense up to make Joe Webb dangerous.

  213. By Shawn on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Good speech by Leslie Frazier. Im so excited to have him as our Head Coach and looking forward to the improvements he makes that push us through the Super Bowl in 2013.

    Good season by an over achieving team. Yes OVER ACHIEVING … I have not seen a Vikings team that over achieves to the level this one did. That is in large part to Leslie Frazier and the type of players he is bringing in.

    Thanks again Coach.

  214. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Frazier is a coaching genius–

  215. By Spencer on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Lets not get carried away..

  216. By realviking on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    What would a rookie quarterback learn by being Ponders backup we need a vet someone who’s proven.
    We need to draft a receiver early, either sign or draft some linebackers, draft a quarterback, draft some defensive backs, and a guard

  217. By OTKalil2012 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Sherels tried doing to much on that fumble he had…

    Sherels was watching the game go down the t ubes…Watching Webb fumble & jumble his way around on the field…And tried to sn atch and grab at a football…Sherels normally would have parked himself under that football…And made a clean catch…

    Sherels made that same mistake earlier this season…He dropped the ball…But Sherels recovered that drop…

    Sherels does great…As long as he doesn’t over play his kick off and punt duties…

  218. By Tomcat on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Don`t talk to me. I`m pouting.

  219. By Shawn on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    LOL Tomcat

  220. By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Good posts by Jack and Shawn…Jones agrees with all said there.

  221. By realviking on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Whoever believes that they have a great coach in Frazier just suit back and watch the outcome of his era.
    The guy doesn’t have the heart to bench a player who’s costing us a game.
    He did it in the regular season by letting Ponder lose gamma for us, and he just did it in the most important game of the season.

  222. By Parkway on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Well said rv, or fire musgrave when he said he didn’t know why our best players weren’t in on 3rd down in the redzone. I’m undecided on Frazier, but I definitely do not want to see him extended until well into next year if at all.

  223. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Parkway, do you believe the theory that the moon landing was faked?

  224. By autobon7 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    If you look at the stats from last night they are pretty even except for penalties, turnovers and redzone. They beat us in passing yards by 100, we beat them in rushing yards by 100. They did have 6 more min in time of possession. I think the turnovers and penalties hurt us the most.

    Webbs stats

    C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT SACKS QBR RTG
    11/30 180 6.0 1 1 3-23 20.7 54.9
    Looks very similar to Ponder stats at any given time plus he had 68 yards rushing

  225. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    What hurt us was coaching and QB play. Our d actually fought hard the second half to get the ball back– but like in TJacks era– the d kept getting the ball back and the o could do nothing. I wonder if the coaches planned from Green Bay’s perspective– I don’t play often now, but in chess you make your moves based on their moves– it seems our staff didn’t fathom the idea that GB would figure a way to slow AP down– come ON!!!

  226. By Shawn on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Of you that question Frazier … Who expected more than a 10-6 playoff team? Who expected less than a 10-6 playoff team?

    Since I already know the answer … I will give my response to your answer.

    This Vikings team exceeded your expectations and the expectations of nearly every single fan, reporter, analyst, professional, and everyone else. To exceed expectation with a squad with serious talent issues at a few positions, WR’s could be the worst in the NFL and maybe college. Well that makes this team over achievers … Thank you Coach Frazier.

  227. By Shawn on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    I agree Musgrave needs to go … I mean you have the greatest RB in the NFL and a former DC has to help you with route combinations.

  228. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    I agree Shawn– except I did expect 10 wins minimum. I thought we would be 8-0 at home. Yes a great job by the coach–

  229. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Look at this Ravens defense. Now that is a defense.

  230. By autobon7 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Coaching hurt us the most. Period. Still don’t know why we didn’t keep running after the first drive. Should have been a TON of run plays for Webb….where were they?

  231. By Parkway on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    My wishlist, best case scenario:

    Coaches:
    1. Fire Musgrave. He is terrible. Calls the wrong plays at the wrong time. He is not maximizing the talent that he has on the team.

    2. Bring in an OC that DOES NOT USE WEST COAST OFFENSE. It is pathetic and predictable. We need an OC that will maximize our talent and not just run a cookie cut ter system.

    3. Keep our DC ONLY if we lose the tampa 2, other wise find a new DC.

    4. DO NOT EXT END FRAZIER. One and done should not be our level of aspirations. He has one year left on his contract. It should be division championship or bust for Frazier next year.

    Players:
    1. Cu t:
    Sherels, Aromashadu, S. Burton, C. John son, J. Carlson, AJ Jefferson

    2. Resign: Loadholt, Brinkley as a backup

    3. Trade:
    Gerhardt for a 3rd round, Webb for a 6th round, Harvin for a first and 2nd round, K williams for 4th round, J. Allen for 3rd round.

    Draft (with the aforementioned picks):
    Trade 2 thirds and a 6th for high 2nd round

    First Round: Ogletree (ILB)
    First Round: Xavier Rhodes (CB)
    Second Round: Rogers (WR)
    Second Round: Kawann Short (DT)
    Third Round: Gabe Jackson (OG)
    Fourth Round: Wreh-Wilson (CB)
    Fourth Round: Ryan Sw ope (WR)
    Fourth Round: Cornellius Carradine (DE)
    Fifth Round: Ro dney Smith (WR)
    Sixth Round: Tyrann Mathieu (CB)
    Seventh Round: Jor dan Rodgers (QB)

    Free Agency:
    Lev itre (OG)
    Bo we (WR)

    Some Notes:
    I realize that we probably WON’T trade kw ill and J. Allen, but they should really consider trying to get something for them before they are wo rthless. That would also free up a lot of cap space for the FA moves that I mentioned.

    Ogle tree, Rho des, and Sho rt along with our current players would provide us a top 3 defense. I want to see Math ieu moved to safety since he is undersized at CB but has treme ndous ba ll skills.

    I think Da’ri ck Rogers is the best WR in the draft bu t his off the field iss ues drop him into the 2nd round.

    Kaw ann sho rt will clo g the middle for Griffen and Robison to do work at the en ds.

    Levi tre will be the prized OG this offseason so he will require some money, but we will have a lot freed up if we lost Allen and Will iams and Carl son.

    Bowe, Rogers, Wright, Swo pe, Jenkins will be a great WR core.

    I’m half kidding on Jor dan Rod gers… but as a 7th round pi ck there’s not much to lose. Maybe his pas sion for beating his brother in the same division will be so great he’ll lead us to many superbowls.

  232. By PurplHaze on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    To quote some music lyrics…

    “Things are goin’ great, and they’re only getting’ better.”

    Sure it was a tough loss. I’m pretty confident that this was Joe Webbs last game as a Viking. Zero variety on offense will not allow you to stay competitive. Contrary to their belief, Green Bay was NOT that tough. I believe the Vikings would have won with Cristian Ponder! I believe the team believed in him as their leader!

    Here’s to another EXCELLENT draft, and an even MORE improved Vikings team this fall. SKOL VIKINGS!!!

  233. By Johnny on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    I would like to take the time to first thank every last Minnesota Viking player and staff for giving us fans an exciting year of great football. I’ve been following the Vikings for 30 plus years and this team made me feel pride to be a Viking fan again something I have not felt for a little while. You accomplished so many things in this season and did what nobody thought you would do. This team has HEART this team has unity. I am very proud of you all and I hope you hold your heads high because you impressed a nation with what you accomplished this year.

    Next I would like to say to fellow fans get off your high horse give these guys the respect they are do. I’m tired of seeing your wishy washy comments and videos. You forget these players are people first and a lot of them are just young kids still. They played with a lot of heart and emotion and did everything they could do. If you don’t like them then go be a fan of another team because REAL Vikings fans support our team no matter what the outcome of a season. You should feel pride in this team and give them the props they are do!

    All year long I have seen stupid remarks from ignorant people. Have any of you played football? I have and I know what its like to play your heart out I know what its like to lose and I know what its like when the fans snub you for giving your all. These guys take a pounding to their bodies that will effect their future years. Do any of you know what its like to play with pain, do any of you know what its like to get hurt and have people say you’re a wussy for not playing? Its time for REAL Viking fans to stand up to these fair weather fans and put them in their place. Be proud of our team for they deserve it and they deserve our respect!

  234. By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    @Parkway,

    Sherels is an average punt returner? Remember how hard it is to catch and return a punt??

    According to Pro Football Reference the Vikings have had very few better returners of punts.

    Jackie Wallace had a 10.3 and Darius Reynaud a 10.1, each played for 3 NFL teams. Jones dares you to find anyone better who wore a Viking uniform!

    Sherels has an average of 8.7 for punts and 27.1 for kicks returned for his career. These are outstanding figures.

    Unfortunately ESPN Sports, and nfl.com will not print out the top 20 returners for 2012 for punts for the regular season. Ironically Sherells is at the top of the list for post-season kickoff returns.

  235. By Parkway on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    @Fred: If you are going to keep a player ONLY for their return ability… they better be of Hester caliber. Although we keep a player on the roster JUST to snap for punts and FG so who knows I guess.

  236. By Smith22DMVP on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Sherells is good for return duties, i would just rather not see him on the D side of the game

  237. By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Ponder and Webb can both be outstanding QBs! That goes along with the TEAM which many of you are forgetting?

    By autobon7 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    If you look at the stats from last night they are pretty even except for penalties, turnovers and redzone. They beat us in passing yards by 100, we beat them in rushing yards by 100. They did have 6 more min in time of possession. I think the turnovers and penalties hurt us the most.

    Webbs stats

    C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT SACKS QBR RTG
    11/30 180 6.0 1 1 3-23 20.7 54.9
    Looks very similar to Ponder stats at any given time plus he had 68 yards rushing

  238. By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    I didn’t mean autoban7

  239. By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    @Parkway,

    Hester is the best of all-time!!!

  240. By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Perhaps we are forgetting Marcus Sherells 77 yard Punt Return for a TD earlier this season???

    Watch that baby on tape!!!

  241. By Vike69 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Anyone who does not understand that Webb cannot read defensive schemes, is not accurate, and makes horrible decisions has no business posting anything about football. The guy might be athletic, but so are all the other guys in the NFL. If Webb had promise at any other position, the coaches would have used him. Release Webb.

  242. By Parkway on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Ponder also can’t read defenses. So where does that leave us….

  243. By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Spielman and Studwell did well with last year’s draft. But with the lower range picks we can expect as much.

    We seem to need CBs the most!!!

  244. By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Actually one very good CB would suffice.

  245. By vikings rule on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    it doesn’t matter how many key players the viks pick up in the draft, the pack will continue to roll if it’s rodgers vs Ponder

  246. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Parkway, was the moon landing staged in Hollywood?

  247. By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Vike69 and Parkway,

    It’s not all about reading defenses…the QB must be able to throw the ball at the proper time, with the proper touch, height, etc.

    Webb and Ponder do not do that real well either. YOU HAVE TO GIVE THEM TIME!

  248. By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    ANY 375 pound fat guy sitting on a lounge chair can criticize Michael Jordan’s jump shot.

  249. By Parkway on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    True story Vikes rule

  250. By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    “In life there are positive and negative thoughts. And hey, it doesn’t cost you a cent more to think positively.” Angelo Dundee, Mohammed Ali’s Trainer

  251. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Jones, I think your kid Sherels is impressive as a returner. I can see it.

  252. By BlueBird7 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Johonny

    Took a 15 minute break reading your offering. Quite a bit of what you say is fact.

    Yes, I played football, got smacked around, played Right Halfback when there were such critters.

    And yes, I do have respect for the GOOD players, not the goodie-two-shoes.
    Coul;d name them, but why start another war. We need to regroup now.

  253. By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    We have too many guys saying cut this guy, fire that guy, when that isn’t always the problem anyway.

    The Vikings can WIN with the guys they have. There is so much more to work on!!!

  254. By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    @Titus,

    Thanks for your remark about Marcus Sherels.

  255. By Parkway on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    The good news for Ponder is that after the draft I think we will have a top 5 defense. He might only have to put up 14-17 points a game to get wins.

  256. By Spencer on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Fred you only support Sherals because you know him personally.

  257. By vikings rule on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Which eliminated team is more likely to make the playoffs in 2013?

    55%
    Bengals

    45%
    Vikings

  258. By vikings rule on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    nfl.com poll

  259. By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    @Spencer,

    I knew Marcus when he was in high school. That’s it. But you are correct in saying that jones has a bias.

  260. By VikesShield on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    AD FOR MVP, BLAIR WALSH FOR ROOKIE OF THE YEAR, COACH FRAZIER FOR COACH OF THE YEAR AND CHAD GREENWAY FOR DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR

  261. By vikings rule on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    viks could of got Dalton

  262. By vikings rule on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Dalton is a better qb and doesn’t get hurt

  263. By VikesShield on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    No Dalton sucks..did you saw him against the Texans??

  264. By Spencer on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Well we didn’t get Dalton move the f-ck on.

  265. By H.M.G. on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Listen to the report on Ponder’s elbow. Bruised tricep and elbow burris.
    So Ponder should have played with a dinged up elbow and a bruised tricep.
    Yeah that is a GREAT IDEA. It is not as if his tricep would have been shredded if he forced it. Which guess what would have likely ended the season the same way with Webb taking over and looking lost and confused.
    Look at guys who have played with bruised quads. They end up shredding them and guess what it ends their careers in most cases.
    But yeah it is Ponder fault for not seeing any development in Joe Webb the past 3 years.
    WEBB IS NOT A NFL QB!
    Draft a legit back up or sign a vet.

  266. By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Sherels was about 5’8″ 150 as a senior in high school, so he is an overachiever. They said that the couldn’t get him to shoot as a basketball player, he was just very unselfish. He played HB and DB in football. We tried to get him to go out for track without success.

    He walked on at the U of M, played wide receiver first, then cornerback.

    If you root for the underdog, you like Marcus Sherels.

  267. By vikings rule on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    The Packers held Adrian Peterson to (just) 99 yards on the ground after vowing all week the Vikings running back would not repeat his Week 17 heroics.

    With Joe Webb filling in at quarterback for the injured Christian Ponder, the Vikings were a ghost ship, but Packers safety Charles Woodson said the switch under center didn’t alter Green Bay’s approach.

    “No disrespect to Ponder, but bringing a guy into the box is not about Christian Ponder, it’s about one guy and that’s Adrian Peterson,” Woodson told ESPNWisconsin.com’s Jason Wilde. “Our main focus, we knew whether it was Ponder or Webb, was to keep 28 from getting off. And if we were going to keep him from getting off, put the ball in the quarterback’s hands, whatever quarterback it was, we felt good about what was going to happen.”

  268. By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    @HMG,

    How is getting rid of a low paid player going to HELP the Vikings?

    There is absolutely no logic there!

  269. By H.M.G. on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Fred Jones
    Sherels is a good PR/KR but is not a very good CB.
    He gets exposed when ever he plays more than a few snaps.

  270. By Troutdaddy on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    All of the coulda, woulda, shoulda people are funny to listen to… No more whining about stuff. The season is over. There were some tough lessons for people to learn yesterday.

    1- Webb is the backup most of us thought he was. Not a good QB and should not be the backup.
    2- Ponder was missed by many and because of him not playing many are wondering if he can be counted on.
    3- We have a few soft secondary folks and (sorry Spencer) Cook is a mediocre player and missed a huge opportunity yesterday. No jump and no speed = points for Green Bay. I thought Jefferson was pathetic at times too.
    4- Despite all of the trash people spoke this yar about the Vikings, they still found a way to go 10 and 6, make the play-offs and have a successful season.

    We all know this team has a ways to go, but I for one am hopeful and proud that our boys did what noone expected them to do. With a good draft and some free-agency opportunities, we should see a better team with more experience next year.

  271. By Parkway on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    I’d like to see us get cousins to come in and compete.

  272. By VikesShield on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    H.M.G it was not ponders fault the training staff made the decision he could of played…but we will never know what happen in the locker room…between ponder and the coaching staff :O

  273. By Troutdaddy on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    By the way- I thought Sherels did great yesterday. He ran with agility and had a great day.

  274. By H.M.G. on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Fred Jones
    The logic is a back up QB needs to at least be effective.
    Matt Moore could be a decent vet back up.

  275. By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    **ANY 375 pound fat guy sitting on a lounge chair can criticize Michael Jordan’s jump shot.

  276. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    I have zero bias and I see Sherels is a great return man in the making. It is obvious.

  277. By PurplHaze on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Fred, by picking up a MORE TELLENTED player that can contribute to success in the draft!

    I think we already have a legit backup in MBT though.

  278. By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    @HMG,

    Actually Joe Webb IS an NFL Quarterback.

  279. By PurplHaze on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Talented, that is

  280. By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    @Purplehaze,

    Then you trade or sell the player who was beaten out of the position.

    (If the player is highly paid, THEN you might dump him.)

  281. By VikesShield on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    ITS A LOSS MOVE ON TO BETTER THINGS..

  282. By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    JonesDogg is not for getting rid of Bill Musgrave. We need stability in our coaching staff.

  283. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Definitely keep Frazier, but a change in OC and QB may be the best medicine we can order.

  284. By PurplHaze on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    If we can get trade value for Webb, I think we should let him go. I just don’t see that he has the tangibles to stay our backup QB.

  285. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Webb is not a QB.

  286. By burquhart on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    great year better than i expected, Adrian , what more can be said ,simply the best
    Next year- draft some wideouts in the playoff game they were pitiful, worst in the NFL, they gave up. We also need another CB Antoine was fabulous but make him a coach please. Webb should be a wide-out he certainly is not a QB try him Romo could be an option if they want Ponder but don’t sell out the farm remember the last trade with Dallas be afraid, very afraid

  287. By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    FredWildEyeJones would keep the coaching staff, and playing roster the same. Then we have to draft extremely well, and purchase free agents.

    Bring them all into training camp. Pick the team. Attempt to sell off or trade the players who do not fit.

  288. By Vike69 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Frederick Jones. My post pointed out three things. One of them is accuracy. Webb is a lost cause. Strong arm and can run very well. No team will ever win with Webb as their QB. No amount of time will make him a QB! Give Ponder two good receivers and then we will see what he can do. Our number one receiver is a number three anywhere else.

  289. By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    @Caesar,

    Webb plays Qb therefore he is a QB!!!

  290. By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    @Vike69,

    Let’s say that what you just said is true. (I’m just let’s sayin’)

    The NFL isn’t what it was in 1969. Perhaps Joe Webb can help design an entirely different offense with the Vikings.

    I’m just let’s sayin’

  291. By PurplHaze on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    In Rick We Trust!!!

    Spielman will do all that’s necessary to achieve an even higher level of success in the 2013 NFL season.

  292. By Parkway on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Agreed on Spielman

  293. By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    *FredWildEyeJones would keep the coaching staff, and playing roster the same. Then we have to draft extremely well, and purchase free agents.

    Bring them all into training camp. Pick the team. Attempt to sell off or trade the players who do not fit.

  294. By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    There was one time during the losing streak that Jones appeared down on the coach. Just one time. But JonesBoy thinks Frazier has the best long term approach possible. He is patient with his players, and does not fly off the handle like so many.

    Jones would like to coach like that!

  295. By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    The way the NFL is set up, 7-9 would not be a failure. (KFan said the Vikings had the 5th toughest schedule this year, but that was based on the 2011 season.)

    The Vikings could very well have an even tougher schedule for 2013.

    We were VERY lucky with injuries this year. Give credit to Eric Sugarman, and his staff. But we will need to get more depth for 2013.

  296. By Parkway on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Our road schedule next year is brutal….

  297. By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Jones thought this was good by JOHNNY:

    All year long I have seen stupid remarks from ignorant people. Have any of you played football? I have and I know what its like to play your heart out I know what its like to lose and I know what its like when the fans snub you for giving your all. These guys take a pounding to their bodies that will effect their future years. Do any of you know what its like to play with pain, do any of you know what its like to get hurt and have people say you’re a wussy for not playing? Its time for REAL Viking fans to stand up to these fair weather fans and put them in their place. Be proud of our team for they deserve it and they deserve our respect!

  298. By Cali Bry on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Can you please send over your championship trophy show-case? God knows you don’t need it and we’re out of room….. Maybe you can call Favre, or find ANOTHER Packer retread. Your Qb’s are HILARIOUS!! TJACK!!!

  299. By john 61 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    we need a new OC with a new QB coach

  300. By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    @Parkway,

    I guess if it’s on the road, it’ll be brutal!!! lol

    How do you know who we play for 2013?

  301. By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    @John61,

    no, no, no.

    We need stability! The good teams keep their coaches. Check out Philadelphia, New England, Green Bay. (Philly used to win every year not that long ago.)

  302. By Parkway on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    @Fred:

    http://www.vikings.com/news/article-1/2013-Vikings-Opponents-Now-Set/b62ef429-a217-46de-8432-231daf805719

  303. By Cali Bry on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Oh by the way, would Rodgers EVER miss a playoff game with that injury?? HILARIOUS!!! Have a nice, LONG, cold winter LOSERS!!!!

  304. By caliviking on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    u cant put it all on webb..he hadnt throwin a pass ina game all year…what sucks is you’d have to give him a whole year like we did ponder to really see how good he is…and all that would do is waste time..guys like petersons time..theyve already given ponder a full year and hes the better qb right now so it looks like we might never see how good webb really is…i really cant trust ponder tho after he decided to skip last game..kinda leaves me pondered

  305. By caliviking on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    frazier p!ssed me off not goin for that onside kick last night

  306. By caliviking on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    o ya and john carlson needs to go for real..

  307. By northwoodsv2 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    By VikesShield on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Fraiser is a good coach… a lot of coaches won’t man up and make a inspiring speech to the players after a tough loss..

    =======================================

    Really? Name one.

  308. By john 61 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    most good teams keep good coaches,we dont have a good OC or QB COACH,they had all year to get joe webb ready and you seen what happen

  309. By northwoodsv2 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    By purplebleeder on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Can’t believe people are still hoping for something to happen with Webb. He was not mentally nor physically prepared to play. His performance was an embarassment to himself, the coaches and the fans. He had the opportunity to watch and learn from Brett Favre and Donovan and that is how he plays against GB…
    =================================================

    He sure looked a lot like McNabb. Bouncepas ses, overthrows, tripping over people……he obviously didn’t learn anything from Favre, except bad judgment in throwing.

  310. By northwoodsv2 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    The #2 QB has to be ready to enter the game at any time.

    This experiment is over. We can’t even get a batch of warm cookies in trade for him now.

  311. By PurplHaze on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Cali Bry … How did it feel to lose to what was a 3-13 team last year?

    The Vikes beat San Fran this season! Too bad Green Bay will lose … TWICE!!!

    Now, if you have NOTHING to contribute, LEAVE! That cheese stench you brought with you makes me nauseous!

  312. By john 61 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    were going to rebuild heavy this year

  313. By caliviking on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    even tho christian ponder is better right now..i think joe webb would be better if he had a full year

  314. By john 61 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    your out of your mind webb is done

  315. By Cali Bry on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    HEE,HEE,HEE LOSERS!!! Another decade of HORRIBLE coaches & QB’s. Sucks to be you.. Stay Warm!

  316. By Dr. Remulak on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Remember who put Webb at QB? Brad Childress. That had FAIL written all over it from the start.

  317. By caliviking on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    ive seen webb play better than he did yesterday..he had to come in cold in the cold ina playoff game..i dont if you heard the postgame speeches but they didnt even let him know at the beginning of the week that he probably would be starting…im pretty sure he expected ponder to start

  318. By Parkway on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Let’s get Cousins. At least the guy has some passion for the game and he finds ways to win. I’d take him over Ponder

  319. By john 61 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    rg3 is playing, ponder is a baby,hope he grows up by next year,petrsons should ring his neck

  320. By OTKalil2012 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    I am glad Webb played yesterday…

    Because I knew ~Webb was bad…Now Spielman,Wilf, and the whole Vikings nation knows…And Frazier can’t hide that worthless QB anymore…

    What if Ponder had played yesterday…And still lost ???…

    Then Webb would have slid into next season…Still being the number 2 back up behind Ponder…And when Ponder goes down in mid season…Webb would have come in and stunk up the place…Lost us a bunch of games…An most likely the season…

    Now Spielman knows he has to take steps to shore up the QB position, outside of Ponder…
    Sometimes bad things happen…But good things come out of these bad situations….

    I look for Webb to be gone…And the Vikings to draft a QB this spring…

  321. By john 61 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    hope they dont wast a pick on a QB,WE HAVE Alot of other needs

  322. By robb on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    I believe in the Vikings and next year will be even more of an improvement.Yes Ponder is the guy,but Sherels & Webb should go.Sherels is not aggressive enough and Webb is only suited for receiver.I thought at halftime,being it’s the playoffs,just maybe they would try MBT.I don’t think he would have been that bad.This was a winnable game had Ponder played.Webb threw off the timing of the offense and stifled Peterson.

  323. By OTKalil2012 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    We better draft a QB…

    Because any good QB’s are not released…They are given extensions…

  324. By Parkway on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    @OTK: That is a whole lot of garbage talk. Webb did no worse than Ponder did in over 10 games this season. And Ponder was a #12 pick… Webb was #199……

  325. By Parkway on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    We need Kirk Cousins

  326. By john 61 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    there will be a few good free agent qb this year we can pick up, we dont need to wasted a draft pick on one

  327. By Parkway on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Like who John? Vick is the only half way decent one and no thanks

  328. By OTKalil2012 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    By Parkway on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    @OTK: That is a whole lot of garbage talk. Webb did no worse than Ponder did in over 10 games this season. And Ponder was a #12 pick… Webb was #199……

    ______________________

    Webb first pass attempt was 10 yards striaght in front of him…The receiver was wid open…

    Webb threw the pass in the dirt 3 yards in front of that receiver…And his day got worse after that !!!…

    How about his little flips into the air…While being tackled ???….Missing wide pen receivers by 15 yards ???…hahahaha…

  329. By john 61 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    the two teams playing right now,both have better backups then we do,and therefree or wiill be released

  330. By Parkway on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    @OTK: You are just talking about things that Ponder has done for the past 2 years….

  331. By Parkway on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Yeah Kirk Cousins is the backup for the Skins, as I have been saying. They won’t just release him.

  332. By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    **FredWildEyeJones would keep the coaching staff, and playing roster the same. Then we have to draft extremely well, and purchase free agents.

    Bring them all into training camp. Pick the team. Attempt to sell off or trade the players who do not fit.

  333. By CaribooBill on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    A very disappointing loss. GB was primed to stop the run and we had to put in a running QB. Joe Webb was in a very tough spot, no doubt, but he didn’t perform in his job as a backup QB – end of story. The D didn’t step up – mental mistakes and no forced turnovers. I think Ponder’s absence doomed us from the start.
    HOWEVER – a great improvement over last year!!!!
    I think the OL is much better, as is the secondary – both improvements the result of play by rookies and the return of injured veterans. I will be very interested to see what happens in the future. I don’t want to see any firings of the coaches – maybe add an oversight at OC – I don’t know enough to say Musgrave isn’t doing well. I think Ponder will be fine – maybe great, given more time. We need an improvement at #2 QB – develop MBT – we kept him over Sage, I think. Webb is such a good guy – I don’t know what to do with him – maybe an outright release would be best for him – try another team. Our biggest need is at WR – we need to have a go-to WR to take the pressure off AD. I think the secondary will be fine as is with more experience. LB and OL need upgrading, as well.
    Terrific year Vikes! Thank you!

  334. By john 61 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    flynn wiil be released, skins might trade for some are bad players haha

  335. By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    @John61

    no, no, no.

    We need stability! The good teams keep their coaches. Check out Philadelphia, New England, Green Bay. (Philly used to win every year not that long ago.)

  336. By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Give JOE a chance to see the films, and get into another game before you judge.

  337. By Parkway on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    I’ll agree in stability except getting rid of Musgrave. It’s division champ or bust next year for Frazier

  338. By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Joe Webb could be the greatest quarterback this league has ever seen. But will you give Jones credit when that happens?

  339. By liito on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Sad.

  340. By David P on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Here is one thing to remember. Yes the vikings have problems at QB, they both are bad. What has not been discussed is the fact that the vikings will be playing outdoors next year for all their home games. The reason why they have not won in GB since 2009 is the fact that they CANNOT PLAY OUTDOORS. If the front office of the vikings have any smarts they will not give any of the coaches an extension. I hate to be the voice of doom but next season is going to be a long one. If the vikings surprise me, I will be the first to say I am wrong. I hope I am wrong but the past seasons have shown the vikings cannot play outdoors. Hopefully all the home non conference games are against the bottom feeders.

  341. By Parkway on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply
    Give JOE a chance to see the films, and get into another game before you judge.

    _________________________________________________________________
    Agreed. This is the most annoying thing. It’s the same people who say to give Ponder time, give ponder time give ponder time after he has been consistently terrible, but they are the first ones to throw Webb under the bus after his first start in over a year…..

    Get real

  342. By john 61 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    frederick jones,we have a good coach in fraizer,and a defence coach, special teams coach,the rest are bad did you watch every game this year,musgrave sucks

  343. By Parkway on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    I heard we are not playing at TCF til the 2014 season… but I agree with your sentiment that we are very terrible outside on grass… our home field advantage will be gone.

  344. By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    @Parkway,

    Jones did not like a lot of things we did offensively this year. My main complaint would have to be 3rd down. To Freddoggie it seemed silly!

    Bud Grant always liked to keep the same staff from year to year. So did most of your great coaches past and present.

  345. By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    @Parkway,

    That’s what we tend to do on here, throw people under the bus.

    You don’t win championships that way. Joe Webb had a bad game overall, but did do some things very well. (Some persons tried to say Webb thru off Peterson’s running game lol x 7)

  346. By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Joe Webb and C.Ponder can develop into a wonderful 1-2 punch.

    Time and action is the answer, not being negative, and throwing the QB under the bus!!!

  347. By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Peterson is 28. What will we do when he is gone?

    That is a question that we must answer.

  348. By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    john61,

    Jones did not like a lot of things we did offensively this year. My main complaint would have to be 3rd down. To Freddoggie it seemed silly!

    Bud Grant always liked to keep the same staff from year to year. So did most of your great coaches past and present.

  349. By OTKalil2012 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Webb had his dream scenario…

    The playoffs…Biggest game of the season for his team…
    Nationally televised…Millions watching…And what happens ???…

    Joe Webb falls flat on his face…

    And that my friends, is a LOT more chance than many other QB’s have had sitting on benches across the NFL…

  350. By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    @john 61,

    You could name 100 things that seemed silly on 3rd down.

    Perhaps there was a method to the madness?

    Still you have to stand behind a staff that goes from 3-13 to 10-6.

  351. By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    @OTK,

    Ah…how would YOU have done?

  352. By Parkway on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Ponder had that same chance, but he chose to sit with a bruise so the fans wouldn’t hate him when he choked.

  353. By john 61 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    hey petersons made us 10-6 not musgrave

  354. By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    I don’t have a problem bringing in a veteran QB, if the staff thinks it
    necessary.

    But I don’t think all of the passing game failures should fall on the QB.

  355. By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    john61,

    One guy does not win football games!

  356. By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    One guy does not win football games!

  357. By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    —-One guy does not win football games!

  358. By Parkway on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    rg3 just blew out his knee

  359. By CaribooBill on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    If you are watching the Seattle – Washington game you are seeing what happens when stupid coaching results in a player’s injury. Shanahan should have sent in Cousins long ago.

  360. By john 61 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    looks like wash is going to have to keep there backup QB

  361. By OTKalil2012 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    By CaribooBill on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    If you are watching the Seattle – Washington game you are seeing what happens when stupid coaching results in a player’s injury. Shanahan should have sent in Cousins long ago.

    ________________

    I told you Shanahan will kill that kid !!!…

    I better go watch the game… :(

  362. By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Great season Vikings!!! It was fun watching the last five games in particular.

  363. By john 61 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    i didnt say 1 guy,i said musgrave sucks and need to befired,and thats my stand.

  364. By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    @HMG:

    Actually Joe Webb IS an NFL Quarterback.

  365. By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    john61:

    You said, “petersons made us 10-6 not musgrave.”

  366. By john 61 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    FREDERICK JONES just think if we had a OC LIKE THE PATS we would still be playing ,all iam saying is we have great players that didnt get a chance with musgrave

  367. By RichardA1 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Webb in the most important game, has’nt played for a long time, he did good. Does need some work on throwing. They were kicking GB, then the Vikes gave them the game.

  368. By autobon7 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Parkway speaks the truth…..Webb did no worse than Ponder. AND….he has less experience. Maybe we can trade OTK for a lump of coal.

  369. By john 61 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    k williams gave them the game with his offsides

  370. By PurplHaze on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    By OTKalil2012 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply
    Webb had his dream scenario…
    The playoffs…Biggest game of the season for his team…
    Nationally televised…Millions watching…And what happens ???…
    Joe Webb falls flat on his face…
    And that my friends, is a LOT more chance than many other QB’s have had sitting on benches across the NFL…
    *******
    totally agree with you, OTK! How does the old saying go? …

    “Big Time Players Make Big Time Plays in Big Time Games!”

    Webb has proven the position, at least in the NFL, is too much for him. It’s time fow the staff, and Webb, to move on.

  371. By PurplHaze on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    * for

  372. By SmileyStar on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Yesterday’s game was not the first time Joe played a nationally televised game (2010). I think there’s a few people on here still mad that Joe beat the Eagles that year instead of getting us a better draft position.

  373. By AAB on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    I am disappointed and frustrated the way we have lost the game. Its become a usual act for Minnesota Pro team in december, they all freezes as the weather gets cold. I have been living in MN for 22 years and I have not seen anything which gives me hope that we are getting closer to Super Bowl victory. I am sure many will disagree with me that MN Vikings had many great years but whats the point when we have not won the Super Bowl YET. At the same time, 4-6 teams makes a usual playoff appearance with ease. Why cant we be one of those teams.

    I love HC Leslie Frazier, I think he sincerely trying to setup the winning tradition here but I guess he need to bring some great player not quality players.

    Congratulations Minnesota Vikings for a great season.

    Skol Vikings

  374. By john 61 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    we all have are thoughts but in the end spielman has the say, so lets set backand see

  375. By autobon7 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    It is so frustrating that some of you folks think you have Webb figured out after he has started how many games in his pro career? You say Ponder needs time, Ponder needs this and Ponder needs that. Ponder needs your excusses. Let me ask you Webb haters a ? Has Ponder ever had a bad game? Maybe more than 1? Has Ponder ever lost a game for us? Ponder has done lots worse than Webb did last night and he gets the nod week in and week out. Joe has not throw 1 pass all season and you all bash him for not having a great game? If I remember correctly Ponder had 3 games this year with under 100 yards passing. Twice he barely made 50. So with Webb starting less than a handfull of games and Ponder starting what 25 or more, you have it all figured out? Maybe we can package all you bashers together and trade for a water boy.

  376. By Viking 1968 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Ponder in my opinion has no heart, the biggest game of the season, and he lack the courage to play with pain. He has loss his any reamaining ability to lead this team.

  377. By john 61 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    ponder need to grow a pair,before next year

  378. By Ariascasillas on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Kirk cousins for a 2nd round pick?

  379. By autobon7 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    SmileyStar…..you are right. Joe did win that game for us on Tuesday night against the Eagles but it seems like some folks have a short memory or MAYBE they were not even Vikings fans then. I’m not mad at Joe for winning that game. He did his job and did it well.

  380. By Parkway on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Should be able to get Kirk for no more than a 3rd considering some think we can’t even get a 1st for harvin.

  381. By mh12345 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    ponder apparently couldnt even put his shirt on without help…how can you judge how well he would be able to play? i might be safe to assume all you internet tough guys wouldnt think twice about it if you were in his shoes…lets still doubt the guy that played great in the biggining and end of the season with some of the worst recievers out there and helped lead a 3-13 team to a 10-6 record

  382. By john 61 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    we dont what to give any of are picks or trade to nfc teams, rember dallas

  383. By autobon7 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Webb
    C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT SACKS
    11/30 180 6.0 1 1 3-23

    Wilson
    C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT SACKS
    15/26 187 7.2 1 0 5-31

  384. By john 61 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    have to feed the elk,way to go vikes great season lets grow from here

  385. By PurplHaze on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Ponder won 4 straight!

    Ponder too helped us get to the post season by taking good care of the football and at least giving us a MINIMAL passing game.

    The other players on the field, not playing QB, didn’t look the same as they did the previous 4 games. Most likely because the starting QB, the LEADER, couldn’t go.

    Lastly, Ponder not playing was a COACHING DECISSION!!!

  386. By Sean on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    look everyone, stop playing the blame game. last night was simply bad luck and unfortunately it came during the playoffs. it was like the Vikings had to forfeit, yet they still played the game anyway because people bought tickets. i couldn’t even be mad while watching because it was everything i would expect from webb. it even made me appreciate Ponder much more. this is a talented group, just continue with the plan – drafting quality men. no stupid vet trades, just continue with the youth movement. i’m getting tired of negative vikings fans.

  387. By BlueBird7 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    OTK

    Reading your posts above speaking about just how bad the quarterbacking was,

    and still is, I couldn’t tell if you were talking about Webb or Ponder. I vote Ponder.

  388. By Viking 1968 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    hey chief don’t take it personal, we are all internet “boys” including you. And I don’t know what team you watched this season, but the majority of the commentors agrees that Ponder lack the skills to lead a team in the playoffs, and maybe he read and agreed with the reports.

  389. By Sean on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    and i’m sorry, but reading some people’s opinions are frustrating. “Ponder has no heart…” “Ponder’s not the future” “Webb deserves more reps” “Kirk for a second round pick” ….

    This is simply poor judgement. I’ve been a diehard vikings fan since I began loving football, but Vikings fans have had too much say in the coaching decisions of their franchise. yet no superbowls. i’m so happy that MIN management is finally blocking out the yelling of the crowd and making decisions on their own. they’re gonna keep Ponder, the coaching staff, and utilize all their draft picks, just like successful teams. Lots of fans wanted a big WR last year, yet we went with Kalil, which was exactly what GB, PIT, and NE would’ve done. Many Vikings got a huge foot-in-the-mouth this season with the 10-6 performance.

    Go Vikings and go coach Frazier!!!

  390. By Viking 1968 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    all that being said for Ponder is not the quarter that can lead the vikings into the playoffs, next year, defense and running game did it this year, with 8 to 9 men in the box ponder lacked the ability to take advantage of defense. With ponder the vikes won’t be better than 10-6 next season/

  391. By Derrick.G on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Ok, so let me get this straight…….You guys would rather have an injured Ponder out there? You idiots already question his arm strength, and now you think he’d be able to play just as good, with an injury to his THROWING arm? Yah, in what parallel universe?

  392. By Derrick.G on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    We dont have any capable WR’s outside the slot….thats why the down the field sideline pass is not effective.

  393. By VikesShield on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Ponder is our future qb.

  394. By john 61 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    fill some holes and ponder dont need to do anymore then he did this year

  395. By Derrick.G on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    I hope we re-adopt the West Coast style offense for 2013…..Ponder is best when he rolls out…..look at what Seattle has done, why did we EVER get rid of Bevel?

  396. By VikesShield on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Ponder just needs a good receiving core and a good back up qb.

  397. By john 61 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    and a new OC

  398. By Derrick.G on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    I like Webb, he could be a decent backup QB……he has certainly regressed since 2010 though. Almost like the QB coach doesn’t even so much as work with him.

  399. By VikesShield on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    And yes I would of rather have ponder out their instead of Webb but the coaching staff didn’t wanna take any chances..its over so let’s move on

  400. By Derrick.G on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    I did hint at a new OC in my West Coast post. I still don’t understand why we got rid of Darrell Bevell, we had a great offense under that guy.

  401. By caliviking on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    joe webb will never be our quarterback ever get over it……the coaches had that choice between him and ponder at the beginning of the season and they chose ponder….its too late to develop webb theyve already invested a whole year and a half in ponder….webb will jus have to go to another team if he wants a chance to play…and if he does end up deciding to stay here and be ok with being a backup…then we’ll truly know that he wasnt meant to be an nfl qb cuz a true qb is anxious to get in the game

  402. By Derrick.G on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    After Webb’s poor showing, his trade stock just plummeted….of course, people still think hes worth a second rounder……stupid. He was NEVER worth a 4th.

  403. By john 61 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    mybe a 6th

  404. By Derrick.G on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Slow down there Cali…..I said he could be a backup QB if the coaches would put more time into him. He was decent in 2010-11, but this year, something was VERY different. We don’t call plays in relation to our players strengths…We had a good first drive yesterday, doing the read option….then we abandoned it and struggled the rest of the way.

  405. By Derrick.G on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Id say 5th or 6th. And thats being generous…..realistically, hes not worth a draft pick anymore.

  406. By caliviking on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    naw i wasnt talkin to u man ..i was jus sayin

  407. By Derrick.G on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    No worries Cali.

  408. By Parkway on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    We need Kirk Cousins..

  409. By Derrick.G on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Webb looks like a good locker room guy, a good voice on the sideline. Hes always so upbeat.

  410. By dee jay born on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    it was just the wrong time to have another bad game. it seemed like we just emptied our tank in last game of the regular season to get in the playoffs. we just looked flat after the 1st couple of drives on offense. Webb played bad,but the O-line wasn’t that great either. the defense made mental errors,missed tackles early,and played cover 2 all game,scared to blitz or take chances. it’s a good thing thing we had AD to watch that game or it would have been way more painful to watch..

  411. By caliviking on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    this sh!t p!sses me off how i cant find out which words i cant write on here to where they wont let me post my comment

  412. By OTKalil2012 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    A trade for Webb ???…hahahaha…

    Why don’t we throw in Bernard Berrian for a kicker !!!…hahahaha…

    You guys are killing me tonight…. ;-)

  413. By john 61 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    i like web but if were not going to use him or work with him,trade him to the jets he would fit well with them i think

  414. By Derrick.G on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Very true Dee. I still like Sage, I’m willing to believe he’ll be back in the pre-season, depending on what they do with Webb. Whomever starts QB for us NEEDS a veteral guy to lean on…….I mean c’mon, Favre even said Sage was a good guy to pick from too.

  415. By Derrick.G on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Hahaha, I know OTK. He’s never been worth a trade, but I remember all those people saying, “get a 2nd round pick for him and…..” I usually stop reading there and call them idiots.

  416. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Wobschall says Greenway looks good.

  417. By SmileyStar on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    If Ponder had started and we lost the game injury or not his career would have been over.

    After watching the Redskins game today, Cousins played about the same as as Webb. You can’t compare Webb to Wilson stat wise cause Webb didn’t play but what 2-3 snaps all season. Webb hasn’t had the opportunity to develop as a starting QB. He’s the backup and a different QB than Ponder. I actually hope he does get traded to another team so he can be a starter. The Vikings are a run first pass only when necessary team, which is not a good team for a real QB. Good for Ponder though.

  418. By Derrick.G on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    We need to stop trying to change our players…..what we need to do is play to their strengths. Ponder is NOT a pocket QB, hes really good on the bootleg, rollout kind of stuff. So, we need to build on that, when he has the option to run, he usually makes big plays.

  419. By Derrick.G on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    It worked when Favre was here tho Smiley.

  420. By Derrick.G on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    If were gonna compare Cousins to Webb, you need to use Cousins first start a few weeks ago, in which he played like a pro. Because that would be more accurate, Both were first starts on the season.

  421. By caliviking on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    i wanna see joe webb go to another team to see if he has a chance to play..and i hope he does start so i can find out if he really is good or not…cuz u cant do that in a couple game u know

  422. By Parkway on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    The skins drafted 2 starting QBs this year and we couldn’t even draft one in 2011.

  423. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Smiley– exactly and I wondered yesterday if there was more going on than meets the eye– exactly what I meant. Ponder may have realized beating the Pack was a long shot and if he did not play, his last game of the season ensured a place for him on next year’s team. Maybe someone who knows sports really well told him to sit out? Just sayin’!

  424. By john 61 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    his new wife,had the inside info

  425. By Derrick.G on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    We need a #1 receiver, If we can get one, we need to keep Simpson. He is much better when he is not the go to guy. Keep Jenkins, hes great on 3rd downs. Shodu……eh, get rid of him, Harvin….test the trade market with that guy…..because we have another just like him named Wright. We need DT help, I believe K. Williams still has something in the tank, but only if we can get him some help….Brinkley and Henderson, are good backups, We could use one more corner, purely for depth, Were good at Safety, Sanford showed up big time for us this season, and Smith……hes a beast, nothing else to say.

  426. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    john61, I was not going to be specific

  427. By john 61 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    we need another safety like smith,2 new dt,2 linebackers,1 coner,r like cook,we be great

  428. By Eric on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    First , I congradulate the Vikings for making it to the playoffs. Its unfortunate that we did not have our starting QB available to at least give us a chance.

    Even in this tough situation better coaching decsions could have increased our chances.There were no draw plays or pitch outs to Peterson. There was no heavy run blocking set that at times could have also provided better pass protection. Peterson was not put out on short pass routes to give Green Bay more to think about.

    The defense should have blitzed Rodgers more. The DB’s and LB we have can’t really sustain pass coverage on anyone. So why not blitz more? Several taclkes were missed.

    Frazier and his coachimg staff lack imagination. They are unwilling or unable to make the adjutments necessary to win games. I fault Frazier for hiring his freinds and buddies as assistant coaches. Musgrave, Wiliams and Singletary must go.
    Phil Loadholt must go. Lets build for the future. Go Vikings!

    Eric

  429. By john 61 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    sorry titus

  430. By David P on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    So the metro dome will be used again next year? The new stadium will never get built.

  431. By Spencer on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Completely off topic question, but this was on my mind..

    Are there any benefits for a man getting married..? Seriously, this is an age where a woman can strip a man of his children, assets and future earnings on a whim it seems smart to avoid such a risky situation.

  432. By john 61 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    team winning or loosing has nothing to do with the stadium

  433. By john 61 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    spencer good luck with that question,

  434. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    don’t be sorry john– glad you caught my drift

  435. By Jim on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Look the Vikes are a running team but people discredit Ponder because of that. Charles Woodson said they were stacking the box and were not going to worry about the QB. Excpet they tried to stack the box the prior week against Ponder and gave up 37 points . The two weeks before that the Texans and Rams opened the games with absolutely no respect for the passing game. In both of those games the Vikings scored on the first series using the passing game. They actually scored with great ease. In the final four games Ponder was instrumental in Petersons success. I thought that would have been evident after last night, but I guess not.

  436. By peterk on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Testing

  437. By peterk on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Did everyone see that Perfect Pass Joe Webb threw to John Carlson in the second Half that went right through his hands ?? Please , Please, cut John Carlson. Then send Musgrave to Pop Warner Football.

  438. By PurplHaze on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    It is to mi, Jim!

  439. By PurplHaze on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    * me… LOL

  440. By autobon7 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Seems like no one saw that pass dropped by Carlson.

  441. By autobon7 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    I just checked with the Browns to see if they would be interested in OTK and they gave me the finger.

  442. By john 61 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    spielman will get things right,trade harvin for 2nd and 4th,cut carlson pickup a good corner,draft well for need, get rid of dead weight

  443. By PurplHaze on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Carlson didn’t live up to the hype, autobon. That, or Musgrave didn’t know how to design 2 TE sets.

  444. By Vike'sfansince 60's on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Congratulations on a great season. Before the season started I
    Would have taken 10-6 in a heartbeat. Playoffs? I would have said
    you were dreaming. So what is everyone complaining about?
    You know more about the game than the coaching staff? Sure,
    I disagree with some of the play calling, the Defense and Offense
    being to vanilla when I think they should be more aggressive. I
    Yell at players when I think they blew a play…..that’s what fans do.
    But stop calling for everyone’s head. We’re not that close to the game
    or the team to make those calls. It’s great when we win, it sucks when
    when we lose. Get over it and look forward to next year. We’re
    going in the right direction and the future looks great. I am confident
    we will make the necessary changes and additions to be a serious
    contender. It’s been a great year. Great job TEAM.
    Go Vikings.

  445. By PurplHaze on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Maybe a little of both.

  446. By autobon7 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    I am putting together a package consisting of Ponder, OTK, & Wobs. If I have no takers by the weekend I’ll put em in the yard sale.

  447. By Parkway on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    I said the same thing about Ponder during the game. He knew if he played bad his job would be in question, but by not playing his job was assured for next reason. No heart. Loser. Not a good QB. Not a competitor. Not a Viking.

    Let’s see if Cousins wants to be a vike

  448. By Matthias on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    How bad is harrison smith hurt? Does anybody know?

  449. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Parkway, was the moon landing staged in a Hollywood studio or did we really land men on the moon?

  450. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Frazier needs to take some notes:

    Play backup QB when possible– even last three minutes of each game to get backup prepared in case starter gets injured. Chilly was a mastermind at running an offense. He did that all the time.

  451. By 03 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Look at RG III – he played with pain, and injured his knee again, he has the passion and courage to play such an important game. He showed his leadership with his courage. That’s what it takes to lead the team. Ponder can’t lead the team!!!

  452. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    I am not going to question Ponder’s toughness– I grit through pain as well as anyone, but it may have affected his performance– who knows? Maybe Ponder would have had erratic throws and threw three interceptions and the game would be over in the first five minutes? The body is extremely complicated– one thing off and everything else can be off. Let’s not be so immature to question Ponder’s injury, resolve or compare him to others.

  453. By OTKalil2012 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Courage ???…Or head coaching stupidity !!!…

    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl–what-was-mike-shanahan-thinking-in-keeping-injured-robert-griffin-iii-in-ballgame–004331013.html

  454. By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    @Titus,

    That was a SANE evaluation of Ponder’s injury.

  455. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    That’s me Fred.

  456. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Just read that about Shanahan– wow.

  457. By Vikes4life06 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

  458. By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Quit swearing and I will listen.

  459. By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    A man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest.

    In 1965 a playoff game took place between the Colts and the Cowboys.
    The Colts quarterbacks Johnny Unitas, and Gary Cuozzo were injured. Halfback Tom Matte had to play QB with the plays strapped to his wrists.

    The Cowboys had one of the best Quarterbacks in the NFL in Don Meredith. Meredith threw 16 TD p@sses in their last 7 games. He threw a total of 22 TD p@sses versus 13 ints, and had an average of 17.1 yards per completion.

    Who won the game? The Colts did 35-3

    Meredith said afterwards, “We knew that Unitas wouldn’t be playing so we thought the game would be a breeze. We forgot that Unitas didn’t play defense. Their defense k i l l e d us.”

  460. By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    The point being that WE a s fans have to keep an open mind about the QB position.

    It is STILL CHANGING. Joe Webb could be the best of the next generation of Quarterbacks.

  461. By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    It was a great season because the Vikings won 10 games, and had very few injuries. 2013 or 2014 could be our year to win it all. Jones’ prediction was 2015, but I don’t think Peterson will want to play that long, so I’m moving it up.

  462. By Frederick Jones on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Actually on second thought it may take until beyond 2015 if our young QBs don’t develop.

  463. By OTKalil2012 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_22322386/bob-sansevere-vikings-brass-must-take-blame-lack

  464. By Vikes 52 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Ponder not playing was unfortunate way to end the season. The Vikings were 8-0 when Ponder had an average QBR rating. I believe we can win in this league with Ponder and we need to surround him with legitimate weapons. Harvin is one of the most dangerous weapons in the NFL, but if he doesn’t want to be in Minnesota, i think we could get a high pick from a team like Jacksonville or multiple picks from a contender. I think we need to consider signing Bowe, and draft a young wideout in the first round draft. I think we should address the interior offensive line and the linebacker core early in the draft as well. The only wideouts from the receiving core that should be on the team next year is Wright and Harvin.

  465. By OTKalil2012 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_22322530/minnesota-vikings-playoff-loss-nets-team-23rd-draft

  466. By Mike B. on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Fred did you watch the game? Webb tried his best but he’s just not where he needs to be for a Starting NFL QB. He can read down his receivers and makes terrible decisions. You would think even as a backup he would have progressed beyond what we saw last night. I have never been a big Webb fan and Saturday’s game only reinforces what I have said all along about him. The quesiton is how long to you stick with a great athelete to progress him. He may still be wiht the Vikings next year, but he’s going to have to prove some things during the offseanson.

  467. By Mike B. on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    OTK interesting article about having a viable backup. I agree it was probably a mistake to cut Sage, but that’s a personel/coaches call. I don’t think they wanted to lose MBT to another team. I think he showed enough in preseason, he wouldn’t maded it to the practice squad. I think the Vikings were protecting an asset and felt that Webb could fill in if needed. We weren’t going to keep 4 QBs so a decision was made.

  468. By Mike B. on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    23 pick could be good for us as top ten offensive lineman might be availible at that pick. I don’t think a top notch WR will still be left at that point. OG or RT could be the pick at #23. I think that’s a need we should fill. right away.

  469. By MTfan on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Isn’t it crazy how so many brilliant bloggers can’t understand why RGIII was playing and others think Ponder should have been playing? I’m certain Christian would have hurt rather than helped our chances of winning even if he could have tried to play. How can a keyboarder question a Quarterback’s toughness?

  470. By Mike B. on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Fred I think we pick some key pieces this next draft and FA, that we are right back at the top of the division again. Spielman did a great job with the draft last year and I think this year will be just as good. I am not sure Petersone will see a Superbowl, but this year has made him a Hall of Fame player anyway. I am hoping that he gets the MVP of the league as he deserves it.

  471. By MTfan on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    RGIII played, but in doing so, he hurt his team.

  472. By Mike B. on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    MTfan as I understand it the coaches made the call on Ponder. They decided with the injury he dind’t have enough to be effective in the game. This had nothing to do with Ponder’s toughness or him baling out on us. It was the coaches call and he was hurt. I think that’s enough on the subject. We were not there or wiht the training staff to know how bad it was.

  473. By Mike B. on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Fred I agree after about the 4th f bomb out of vikes4life I turn it off. I can understand the passion, but his opinions need to be organized and without the profanity. Profanity clouds the message and makes a person seem less intellegent.

  474. By MTfan on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Ponder is the best quarterback we have had since Gus Frerotte and Brad Johnson on his first tour. Farve doesn’t count because he was a short-term quick-fix. Anybody who knows football can tell you that. Ask Cris Carter, or any other experienced ex-player.

  475. By MTfan on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    Mike B. I agree. nuff said.

  476. By Mike B. on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    O3 great example the coach allowing a player to play that can’t protect himself.. They lose the game and possibly if the reinjury is severe enought they lose their starting QB. Real Smart. There is guts and then there is stupidity. That was stupidity.

  477. By Mike B. on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    I think the 2010 season should be enough for all Viking’s fans to realize you shouldn’t play a injured play if they can’t be effective. Even a great player has limits.

  478. By Mike B. on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    oops injured player.

  479. By Vlad19 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply

    The way I see this one, it was not Webb’s failure – no matter how badly he played – this was a horrible coaching execution…. with ANY suspicion Ponder might not go, they should have worked Webb as starter with starter work-ups and reps, because Ponder has had a year full of first team workout….

    Then you get to pre-game and make that decision, STILL Webb had taken few first team snaps during the week (if his presser is truthful, which I doubt the kid would lie in his presser, he has a job to keep, with this or another team and lying in your presser… death).

    Webb was NOT prepared and choking on the tension. No two ways about it. Don’t prepare a kid for this kind of game and expect results?

    Joe was not good, for sure. But should he have been with THIS kind of handling? This is on Musgrave and Frazier.

  480. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply

    Swearing is a sign of poor thinking. Learn to articulate.

  481. By Vlad19 on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply

    But beyond the debate, it was a proud accomplishment to raise the game to a 10-6 season — and could have been better! But with present talent pool, we made it as far as we would have under any other W-L condition in season, so it is moot pt to argue.

    I think we are deeper at CB and have one of the future stars in Cook and a CERTAIN perennial Pro-Bowler in Harrison Smith at safety. This guy reminds me of a Ronnie Lott, closes so fast on the run and has good ball instincts, good reads of the line, is HUGE run support tackler… Our two young guys need to build on this season but have shown both good and bad – but very promising secondary from where we were last year!

  482. By Vlad19 on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply

    The two young guys referring to the corners by the way.

    LBers need improvement and just don;t think Brinkley is a first teamer. Get a great LB in draft that can play Mike position. Henderson improved on season but still NOT a good one, but capable. Greenway is one serious devil on the field.

    D-line is needing a new “nose” tackle sort like Pat as this year our middle was not as strong as years past. KW getting old?? Maybe, but the help was spotty at tackle other than KW. Guion has some good moments, Evans… but need that run stopper.

    Ends are good. Griffen has serious talent, Robison good motor. Allen is more hit n miss this year for the pro-bowler we have enjoyed.

    Defense rated this year and was a big step in getting Vikes some footing for the future!

    Draft one killer LB and a tackle, you can improve the secondary with development alone IMO. They will be good next year is my bet.

  483. By mac on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply

    just from all of the post that i did read ….. joe webb was not the problem ….. he ran what he was told to run musgrave off. plan not an option qb plan that he is … the 3 turnover’s and the brinkley not getting off the field was a problem …. but this was a team loss not one guy ….joe webb , this is about 11 guys playing on off . and def . and your special teams …… not to mention jerry green the ref of the game was horriable at it … he missed several calls in the game against green bay….. the nfl needs full time ref’s not some fat cheeseburger eating guy running the game that propablely never has picked up an read the nfl rule book …the vikings were picked to finish last in the north , they went to the playoffs …. they still got alot of upgraden to do on this team yet! …. but don’t throw joe webb under the bus , it was a total team loss …. not just him …. sherels should caught the punt too …. i could go on and on with out bring up joe webb’s name …..

  484. By Gilberator on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply

    Mac. No, if you watched the game you would know it was Webb to blame. Musgrave didnt tell him to sky the ball when getting sacked. Musgrave didnt tell him to constantly overthrow his receivers. Musgrave didnt tell him to make horrible scramble decisions. I will agree the receiver corp must be redone if we want any more from this team. Webb could have had a better chance if we had harvin or a good deep threat. But there were times where all i saw was a bunch of open receivers and webb decides to tuck and run (get tackled behind the line). I think Webb is a great athlete and a great guy. Definitely a good person to have in the locker room, but he can’t play QB. Not here anyways. Frazier brought us from 3-13 to 10-6. Of course, with the help of AD and the defense, but our coaching staff is not as bad as i thought earlier in the year. Thats just a testament to us fans not really knowing everything. Still a very proud Vikes fan. SKOL!

  485. By chrisbreezy on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply

    Vikings should let go jenkins,aromashodu,burton,simpson.sign austin collie in FA.draft either Allen/Hunter/Williams/Hopkins (WR).also sign andy levitre and larod stephens-howling/reggie bush in FA for offense.re-sign percy harvin.trade toby gerhart.

  486. By autobon7 on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply

    Vlad19 speaks the truth. You cannot blame the outcome on Joe Webb. The staff is totally to blame for not being prepared. They should have played Joe here and there through out the season to help keep him in sync. They had 6 days to customize a game plan just for Joe and help him prepare. Instead they tell him right before kickoff that he is in. WHAT??????? My 10 year old son didn’t even understand why that happened. Frasier seems like a great guy…..woulld make a fantastic neighbor….but is not cutting it along with the rest of the staff. Shame on you staff for being so thick headed. Thank you Joe for giving it your all and being nothing but class.

  487. By Derrick.G on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply

    Ok, all that is nice…….but Webb played just as bad in preseason…..He needs to be our 3rd string QB……But he needs to stay with us, hes a good locker room kinda guy.

  488. By Kevin on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply

    Webb @#$%%& Sucks!! No more standing up for him on here! This is not college football! Its the NFL! He is not a NFL QB PERIOD!

  489. By DRS. on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply

    Now all the Webb apologizers come out of the wood work. I must have been watching some other game. Webb has been in the NFL how long and still does not know the QB spot, hmmm, if Ponder had played like Webb did, just think what you all would have said on this blog. Great year for the Vikings, 3-13 to a 10-6 season, very proud of this team, with a few holes filled next year we may be SB contenders. SKOL Vikings

  490. By DRS. on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply

    Now let us start on the new stadium with a semi open air roof. SKOL Vikings

    Later one and all

  491. By SadViking fan on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply

    This is stupid. Ponder is a wimp. Winfield can play with a broken hand, but Ponder’s elbow is “Sore” and he cannot play one of the most important games of the season? Frazier also needs to go. Wilf said we are in rebuilding stage. So lets rebuild our coaching staff, WR, QB. If we do those 3 things we will go all the way next season!

  492. By MuskyFever on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply

    WOW, Am I ever glad that the coaches finally broke down and put in the chosen one all of those webb supporters have been asking for. Why oh why didn’t we do that 10 games ago… I mean sheesh he played so well.

    When it comes to GB and playoffs this is one situation I wish I wasn’t right… but I was, I called that, said that would happen, but no one wanted to listen.

    STILL not a Ponder supporter, However I sure did miss him on Saturday

  493. By MuskyFever on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply

    oh…. side note…. Shanahan should be fired!

    There was something that they talked about during the game. When RGIII first hurt his knee 4 weeks ago, Shannahan put him back in and said he would not have done so without the blessing of his DR> The DR> actually went on record and stated that he was never even able to as ses the patient.

    SHANNAHAN SHOULD BE FIRED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  494. By autobon7 on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply

    To DRS……Webb has been in the NFL 3 years and started less than a handful of games. Ponder been in the NFL 2 years and started 25 some games. BUT…..Ponder needs more time? Your comment must be a joke cause I’m not getting it. Did Webb have a good game? No he didn’t. Has he been able to throw just one pass all season? No he didn’t. The Vikings staff had 6 days to prepare a game plan for Webb…..did they? No they didn’t. Wow dude……have a Coke and a smile and shut the ***** up.

  495. By autobon7 on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply

    It’s funny how all you Ponder excuse makers all say he needs more time as all the great QBs were not great out of college. Ponder has had every excuse, every break, every benifit of the doubt. BUT…..Webb gets none of this. Webb is supposed to be great with 5 starts but the chosen one needs more time? Are you kidding me??? If anything Ponder was 12th overall….he should be ready and not all this babying. You would have had to drag Favre off the field with a tractor Sat night. Ponder not so much. That was a tell tale sign that he is not a leader. He knew that if he played and stunk it up that he prolly was not gunna be back. He was playing a chess match instead of playing football.

  496. By Brad on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply

    To everyone defending Webb, the fact of the matter is that he is supposed to be ready to come off the bench and play at a level that gives the team a chance to win. Look at Matt Flynn for the packers when he came in, Matt Cassel for the patriots (sure he sucks now). The point is he is getting paid a lot of money to be able to make around half of his throws and gvie us a chance and he didn’t even come close. I agree with everyone saying Frasier should lose his job if he sticks with his bromance with Webb. He is running a team not making friends so make a business decision and cut that turd.

  497. By hippster on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply

    wow that was hard to watch.this team has a long, long way to go.to many needs to mention,if frazier cant find a way to beat greenbay by the end of next year you got to let him go .i thought i was watching a repeat of the minn,ny giants game ,so the score wasnt 40 to 3 it sure looked like it could.to many needs to mention

  498. By BlueBird7 on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply

    Aiutoban7

    I agree 100% !!! You can add OTK’s name and a few others to the list!

  499. By john samz on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply

    Ponder will never be an elite qb in nfl.
    without AP the vikings are a 3- 13 team
    generations will come and go without an appearance in super bowl

  500. By BlueBird7 on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply

    Brad

    For Webb to be ready to come off the bench, He needs the GREAT (a bit of sarcasm) Coaching staff of the Vikings to help him come “Off the Bench”!

    Too Bad those Know-it-alls can’t see the forest for the trees……

  501. By autobon7 on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply

    To Brad…..how can he be ready when the staff didn’t even have a game plan for him? The staff had 6 days to taylor make a game plan and didn’t. If our OC had a little more imagination than a one cell organism he would have had Webb and AP running ALL OVER GB. Instead they abandon the run (pretty much) after the 1st drive. Pure genius.

  502. By BlueBird7 on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply

    That is “you know-it-alls”

  503. By BlueBird7 on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply

    autobon7

    Once again you laid it right on the money!

  504. By autobon7 on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply

    Brad…..if staff has not let Webb throw 1 pass ALL SEASON LONG how can he be ready. If they tell him an hour before the game and don’t have a game plan for him (not Ponders plan)….how can he be ready? Sure like to know what your thoughts were when he led us to victory against the Eagles on that fridgid Tuesday night. Was he ok then? Maybe you were not even a Vikings fan then? Sheesh…..Ponder has multiple bad games but he still needs more time.

  505. By Kevin on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply

    Ponder can make most, if not all of the throws in a game time situation. Webb can not! It doesn’t take game planning all week long for Webb to make most of the throws he missed by a mile! He can not make the throws that count, or even the ones that don’t! He is not an NFL quality QB! Sure, he can run, but that’s it.

  506. By MuskyFever on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply

    Webb played like garbage!!!! There is no ifs, ands, or buts about it. He sucked, deal with it Webb apollogists!!!

    I have been saying that Webb is not an NFL QB this whole year. People yelled at me and said I was wrong, said he was a good QB. Point is, he can’t throw. This is not a 100 yard dash, you actually need other skills to compete in this league. Webb does NOT have those skills. CUT WEBB, bring in new QB to compete with and hopefully beat out Ponder.

  507. By MuskyFever on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply

    @ BB7 and Autobon

    Were neither of you watching when he stepped up in a CLEAN pocket and tried to throw the ball to Aromashudu, and it hit the ground and landed 10 yards in front of him, and there was no one around Shudu for at least 10 yards in any direction? Did you see any of the blatent over throws? did you see that everytime his first read wasnt there he tired to run and even that didn’t help? Did you see him running for his life for holding the ball for 10 effing seconds?

    The fact is, Webb is a PROFFESSIONAL QB. Let me repeat PROFESSIONAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! who gets paid 10 times what you do. I expect him to at least be able to make throws to WIDE F-U-cking open recievers. and he couldn’t. Webb IS a good athlete. I actually feel bad for the guy. But he is NOT AN NFL QB. Hes just not!!! This weekend proved to me something I already knew.

    I do feel for the guy, the coaches kinda threw him under the bus and Ponder needs to step his little puss azz up and play. thats what NFL QBs do. they play hurt. Ponder should be cut for that simple fact alone. RGIII played with a much worse injury, he should not have played, Ponder should have. Nuff said

    the rest of you Webb supporters need to accept the facts and move on. your not going to win this battle.

  508. By Meekay on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply

    I seriously doubt we would get a 1st and 2nd draft pick for Harvin. Good though he is, he misses a lot of games.

  509. By Vlad19 on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply

    Hey DRs, Ponder DID play like Webb, in fact logged about 4-5 games equallly as bad, and worse in cases and Poinder had how many games as a starter while you and others forgive him always… Webb had 20 minutes to gameplan and play without any real preparation. Funny how many sheety games Ponder played and there was this support team from Heaven defending him – he was bad.

    Joe gets ONE chance to play and it is an unprepared condition, no gameplan and virtually NO snaps with first team in weeks practive.

    By the way, I was not defending Webb, he played miserably, but the staff did not prepare him at all despite his likelihood of starting due to Ponders injury. Not an apologist, simply insisting the blind open their eyes. Webb gets to start a game, a play-off game while Ponder sits with a bruise, and the staff spent the week working and prepping Poinder…. THAT is coaches mistake

  510. By autobon7 on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply

    Well said Vlad19. It amazes me how all the Ponder supporters quickly forget all the games he stunk it up only to jump on this topic. If someone had a car sitting in the garage all year and you plan a trip, you don’t wait until that morning to change the oil, check the air in the tires, check your fluids, etc. Ya do all that ahead of time so when the time comes you drive smoothly away. Get a clue people this aint brain surgery. These are facts whether you support Webb or not. This is ALL on the coaching staff. Period

  511. By Snoose on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply

    Truth

  512. By Rudso on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply

    You Viking “fans” are disgusting!!! I’m ashamed to be affiliated with you. It’s no wonder I try to stay away from these boards. You Ponder haters finally get your season long wish that he gets hurt so Joe gets a shot to play.

    You finally get your pathetic wish……………how did that work out for you huh??? He had starts before, he had wins before, he sat behind Favre and in the most important game of the season he can’t hit the wide side of the barn and you guys still dis Ponder.

    I read someone say, “We still can’t beat the Packers with Frazier”. NO! We did beat the Packers with Frazier AND Ponder and if he played I was confident we were going to win the last game too.

    Ponder is our QB and he has earned that job after this season. He opened people’s eyes towards the Vikings when he pulled off a 3 TD performance vs. 49ers and he solidified his job as our future QB when he put up 3 TD’s and his best performance vs. Packers to make the playoffs.

    I’ve seen enough from Webb. You either put him down as the 3rd QB and move up Thompson to 2nd string or you switch Webb to WR because having him dress on game day is a waste of a player.

    I’ve support Ponder from draft day even though I thought we reached for him but I have FULL confidence in him after this season. Say what you want to say about his injury and that he should have played but as far as I know it’s not the players decision to make.

    Looking forward to next season to see what Ponder can REALLY do when he has a load of weapons around him instead of a bunch of leftovers from other teams.

    As for you so called Viking “fans” who wish injury on their starting QB who took them to the playoffs………………. I sincearly hope not to see you again next year and go F U C K Y O U R S E L V E S.

  513. By Kevin on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply

    @ Rudso Amen Bother!

  514. By Kevin on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply

    brother

  515. By Rudso on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply

    Vlad19, you must be a new Vikings fan because Webb has had more than 1 shot to play as you stated. Joe has started more than a few games for us, he has won games for us and he has sat behind Favre at some point in his career.

    The injury to Ponder was not a last minute situation but it was known all week before the game. Webb practiced all week for this game and expected to be the starter. Don’t find excuses for him because he had more than enough time to prepare. If someone like Kirk Cousins, a rookie, can come in to a game and lead his team to victory than don’t make excuses for Joe Webb who is considered a veteran in our league.

    The difference between Webb and Ponder, Webb sat behind a veteran, had experience vs. good competition, knows what it takes to win yet throws like Tebow in the biggest game. Ponder on the other hand has showed us that he can play a great game and that he has gad bad games but when it was game time and the pressure was on for the biggest game of his career, he stepped up and performed.

    Both Ponder and Webb arguably played their biggest game this season, both vs. the Packers. You saw who came on top and who embarrassed us. And don’t play the “he wasn’t ready” card. His a back up QB, his JOB is to always be ready and he HAD a week to prepare so it wasn’t a surprise to him he was playing.

  516. By Vlad19 on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply

    And all you “fans” who try and tell others how to BE a fan, YOU disregard the facts on the ground. Webb knew 20 minutes ahead of gametime wo a week’s preparation with first team — and you don;t think that matters when you hear about Peyton and Marvin Harrison throwing all off season….. You don’t think it MATTERS to prepare.

    And you all skip over the very integral part, Ponder pulls a Jay Cutler in THE most important game of the year. Not only is he BAD, he is also made of paper. No surprise.

    Webb stunk it up, no doubt, but you forgive Ponder while Webb, without preparation — the certain thing Ponder has had for two years now – plays in the worst of conditions, GB road game, play-off game, and throwing to practice team all year.

    Then let’s consider he is a HUMAN BEING (much like the excuses made for Ponder in his carp games) and having THAT kind of pressure after sitting an entire calendar year… You think a little on-field time would have helped him??? You think a little first team preparation would have been helpful???
    Talk about SHEEESH!

  517. By Vlad19 on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply

    Rudso, Webb has started 4 games in his 4 years w the team. THAT is preparation for you, fine, it is not for most others and that they did not practice Webb much at all with first team is fact. So the staff did not prepare Webb for this game, and the gameplan shows this other than the opening drive.

    Webb was in the worst of conditions with literally a 1 hr notice. Inexcusable for a staff.
    MY suggestion would have been prepare Webb to start ALL week, as Ponder has had two years of fist team preparation, and Ponder was questionable.

    The likeliest candidate was Webb yet they didn;t prepare him.

    And HUGE difference sitting on sideline, “learning from a veteran” than playing on field ball.

    Webb stunk – no argument – but this micro does not promise the macro. It was bad in extreme conditions and bad is what we got. NO argument. But a bad comparison for all who want to proo up Ponder.

    Ponder had many games like this practicing with first teamers and playing on field (always the excuse was our bad receivers suddenly Webb doesn’t have the same consideration… hmmm).

  518. By BlueBird7 on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply

    Vlad19

    Once again you speak the truth! We all know that the truth won’t change.

    And you are correct in the fact that ALL the Anti-Webb “People” foget.

    The fact that the pu$$y-whipped Ponder stunk up the playing field’

    Let Webb have ONE bad game, and “Wow” lets throw him to the wolves

  519. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply

    They did prepare Webb– but like what we see time after time, Webb never prepares Webb– he plays like a scrambling squirrel all on instincts. He has no idea what he is doing. He does not have the mindset to play in this league as a QB.

  520. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply

    Webb have “one bad game”? Webb has been in this league since 2010. He only shows signs of digressing. He is an adult in a profession. He has to have his OWN motivation to learn and become great at his career– -from what all of us clearly see– the TRUTH shows Webb probably plays Nintendo or xbox rather than study game film. He had a chance to really prove himself Saturday– nope. Mediocrity. He will not be great any time soon.

  521. By autobon7 on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply

    All true……where are the Ponder supporters chiming in saying “we have been telling you he has no receivers to work with”? Webb has one bad game and you are ready to give up on him???? How many bad games did Ponder have this year? Last year? Did Ponder just pull a Jay Cutler?

    For the life of me I don’t know why the staff didn’t game plan for Webb. Even if Ponder was able to play you already have his game plan from a week ago. Maybe some minor changes.

    And WHY do you abandon the run game so quickly? Pretty much taken away after the first drive. WHY? A proper game plan for Webb should have netted us 300 yards on the ground between AP and Webb and Toby. I think we could have pounder the Pack into submission.

  522. By autobon7 on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply

    I ask the great Titus….how many games has Webb started in his pro career? How many games has Ponder started? How many games has each stunk it up? Please speak almighty Titus.

  523. By Vlad19 on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply

    Titus, I don’t argue FOR Webb, but FOR CHANGE.

    Yet, NO, they did not prepare Webb. Listen to his presser when he got word he was starting – listen to Frazier. Was THAT gameplan a Webb gameplan? No, except for a first drive.

    Webb took few snaps in the week compared to Ponder and Ponder was the questionable health. That is inexcuseable. The results speak for themselves. Ponder has had first team status for two years and has played every bit as badly numerous times. So are either of these guys our answer for future – if we want SB that is – I am certain in my mind neither of them are.

    But the cascading abuse Webb gets for this impossible game situation is amazing when in juxtaposition, the support and forgiveness of Ponder for the very same ridiculousness – and that with first team prep each and every game.

    Doesn’t smack of equanimity to me.

  524. By Vlad19 on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply

    autobon and bluebird, you know, as do I, there is a current on this site that is so supportive of Ponder simply because of HOPE. So they label you, me, Parkway as “mad hatters” and tend to verbally assault us rather than listen to logic – and god forbid accept the truth of the matter.

    We ALL know Webb is not long term QB for us or perhaps for any NFL team, BUT that they don’t give him playtime and first team workouts is fact simply because he is practice squad and second string… the precision and speed of this game you NEED to work out with the guys who play to play like the guys who play.

    Throw in boatload of pressure and FEAR, playing in play-off game in only his 4th or 5th start of a career….. The kid is human.

    and you look at the expectation of Webb from Ponder fans who forgave and excused the most ruthless of bad football, choosing to blame receivers…. Webb gets the stake.

    The bottom line to this entire discussion of Ponder/Webb, our organizational barometer is CARp when it comes to QB. So ANY choice is not a good one iin my opinion. But HOW this is managed was bad. Didn’t stand a chance the way Frazier and Musgrave got ready for this one. I’m with you autobon, should have just freaking brought the trucks and run 45 times!

  525. By autobon7 on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply

    Amen brother Vlad

  526. By autobon7 on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply

    One last questionfor the almighty Titus…..you say ” He only shows signs of digressing” (talking about Webb six posts up). Everyone…..EVERYONE was talking about Ponder digressing around mid season. Not just one game but multiple games. Did you ax him or do you just play favorites? I think I’m gunna put this to rest. Just curious as you never answered my above question yet either.

  527. By Jim M on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply

    Joe Webb, Joe Webb, he’s our man, if he can’t do, nobody can. I hope I’ve heard the last of Joe Webb. He’s taken up a roster spot for nothing. If you want a QB, draft one. The third QB on the roster would’ve made a better showing. The fact that Webb is still on the roster is Frazier’s responsibilty. The fact that we took a Christian Ponder is also Frazier’s responsibilty. The league has already figured out Ponder can’t throw al long ball with any accuracy. Frazier’s ego won’t let him get rid of either of these guys.

  528. By BlueBird7 on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply

    Jim M.

    Well Jimbo, I would say, as long as the Viokings are trying to put together a team,

    Let us start at the top and send Frazier and his collection of misfits packing!

  529. By Vlad19 on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply

    Well said Jim M — this is not a Webb/Ponder issue, it is organizational issue and how they view their QB spot.

    Imagine if we didn’t have someone as amazing as Peterson… we would be a 5 win team maybe! Defending Ponder is easy even WITH the best back in the universe.

    This is not a vindication for Ponder to all the Ponder supporters. Ponder was still bad as can be – near enough anyway, that another different miserable guy does not clean his own pen. Ponder is a HOPED for answer.

    I only suggest we move on from both and get a real QB this season ahead. THAT is my hope, not if Ponder grows a pair and strength and intangibles…. cuz that ain’t happening.

  530. By Jim M on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply

    I think, believe, Frazier is a good coach but he stated something to effect about grooming a young QB. I believe that desire clouded his judgement. Rosenfels should have at least been the backup. Now they should start all over. As for the rest of the coaching staff’s ability I’ll only say that they have work with what they have.

  531. By Rudso on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply

    And just like there are Ponder supporters there are Ponder haters who no matter how good a game Ponder has will still write him off because they know so much. I may base some of my support on hope for Ponder but I also base it on what he can do. Just the 49er and Packer (last) game was enough for me to see the potential games he can play on regular bases. I see the bad games just like you but do you see the good games? You would think after seeing the train wreck that Webb put up you would have more appreciation for our starting QB.

    Yet you blame the coaches for not preparing Joe? Are you serious?!? What is the 2nd strings job? The whole team knew Ponder hurt his elbow. You prepare like youre going to start every game……..and it’s playoffs. Don’t blame Joe’s performance on lack of preparation. At least I’m supporting 1 of our QBs while you Vlad think you know better than the people who get paid to do this…

  532. By autobon7 on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply

    Rudso…..just because someone gets paid (Frasier and company) does not mean they are right. A lot off topic but Obama gets paid and I don’t think he knows better. Just sayin

  533. By Vlad19 on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply

    Rudso, you are almost funny, but you live in assumptions and that is not funny. It is blind allegiance.

    Quote from Rudso:
    “Just the 49er and Packer (last) game was enough for me to see the potential games he can play on regular bases”

    So two games is regular basis (note basis, not bases). 16 game schedule and he was ANYYthing but good or consistent. You should watch ALL the games before you handpick your faves to make point (that loses weight when viewed in full).

    Ponder had maybe 5-6 games that could be considered “good” and that good is only by Ponder’s mediocre standards. So we should be happy about this as “regular”?

    And since when do you surmise I was not happy about his good performances? You know what is in the minds of people?

    Webb was NOT prepared – listen to pressers, BOTH Frazier and Webb discuss his readiness or lack of, and to Webb’s credit he did not use that as defense, he still felt he should have and couldve done better – but he also discusses the gameplan that was quickly assembled and then left for traditional stand and throw GP… and being ready does not mean wearing a uniform. And if you think a kids 4th or 5th game as a starter, being a play-off game at that, that he should just be Tom Brady than your critical eye is far more devilish than those of us that have watched Ponder start 25 or so games and STILL has not turned in “good performance” 7 times…..

    BOTH are bad. Webb more out of lack of playing time and maturity at the spot, Ponder’s out of lack of intangibles and arm strength.

    But of course you already knew that since you read my mind. Peace. Moving onto 2013

  534. By peterk on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply

    Great Posts to All of you. Shame on the Coaching Staff, especially

    Forrest Musgrave once again.

  535. By Rudso on Jan 8, 2013 | Reply

    Vlad, you know what, your right. How dare Ponder not show consistency in his 2nd year as a starter. You’re “25 starts” stat may seem large up front but realistically speaking Ponder hasn’t even completed 2 full seasons so technically it’s closer to a season and a half.

    If you think this is enough time and starts for a player to get comfortable enough to play at his full potential than I’m afraid you are the one living in assumption. Did you see Eli Manning put up 3 games in a row with 0 TD’s? He also has 2 Super Bowl rings.

    I did watch all the games Vlad, as a matter of fact I recorded every single game and watched each game twice because I like to watch different positions the 2nd time like the blocking or our corners play the receivers ect. You know what I saw? Games that Ponder played well in the Offensive Line dominated the line of scrimmage and the receivers had separation and actually caught the ball. Games Ponder didn’t perform well in, he had instant pressure in his face and receivers either couldn’t get open or dropped crucial catches.

    I take the bad games with the good games, I take the O-line performance and WR performance in to consideration. I pointed out the 49er and Packer games because those are the games where each player did his job to help the TEAM win.

    Next time read the entire post instead of quoting 1 line and taking it out of context. If you THINK that Ponder doesn’t have the stuff to be a starting QB for the Vikings, after not even 2 seasons as a started, fine. BUT don’t come here and try to degrade others for trusting people who get to talk and work with these players on daily bases instead of some “fans” who are writing off a player for not developing fast enough to match their expectations.

    autobon7, your right, getting paid for something doesn’t make every decision the right decision but who do you think I’m going to put my trust in? Our GM who says he waits at least 3 years to grade a draft class or some guy named Vlad on the internet who as far as I know could be a Russian alcoholic in his moms basement who get’s excited by correcting peoples grammar and spelling on the internet? (Not saying this is you Vlad)

    I’m done with this topic. I’m more of a “glass half-full” kinda guy. Vikings had probably the best draft of all teams this year, went from 3-13 to making the playoffs with 10-6 (not to mention 1 win away from the Packers), we got our future QB as far as I’m concerned………I’m a happy Viking fan today.

    Just like there are “cancers” in the locker room, there are also cancers in the fan base…

  536. By peterk on Jan 9, 2013 | Reply

    Hats off to the Offensive line and Jerome Felton this season for doing a great job of blocking for A.P. and maybe we can consider looking to the future for an Offensive Gaurd.

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