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Immediate Impact: Robinson, Smith Making Plays For Defense

Posted by Mike Wobschall on December 10, 2012 – 7:57 am

Lost in the shadow of Adrian Peterson’s historic season and the weekly hyper-analyzing of Christian Ponder’s performance is the drastic improvement the Vikings have made in pass defense. Under first-year coordinator Alan Williams, the Vikings rank 10th in yards per attempt allowed (6.8), 19th in yards per game allowed (237.0) and 21st in passer rating allowed (90.3).

Those rankings may seem modest at first glance, but considering the Vikings ranked 30th in yards per attempt, 26th in yards allowed and 32nd in passer rating allowed a season ago, the improvement is considerable. That begs the question: What has led to the improvement?

There are several factors that have contributed to the improvement, but perhaps none more important than the young talent the Vikings added during last year’s draft. The selection of S Harrison Smith in the 1st round and then CB Josh Robinson in the 3rd round has made a profound impact on the defense’s ability to defend the pass. The additions of Smith and Robinson will pay dividends for years to come because they both figure to be foundational players for the Vikings defense. But those additions are paying immediate dividends as well, and Sunday’s win over the Bears is just the latest illustration.

Both Smith and Robinson grabbed INTs on Sunday, and both led to scores for the Vikings. Robinson’s came in the 1st quarter, and he returned the INT 49 yards for a TD. The play was later overturned and Robinson was ruled out of bounds at the 5, but Adrian Peterson scored moments later to put the Vikings up 14-0. Smith’s INT came in the 3rd quarter, and he dodged and weaved his way to the end zone for a 56-yard score to give the Vikings a 21-7 lead that would prove insurmountable for the Bears. It’s the second INT-returned-for-TD by Smith of the season.

Both plays are certainly notable in the aftermath of the Vikings win because the directly led to points for the Vikings. That both plays were made by first-year Vikings is notable as well because one could argue that a season ago those plays would not have been made.


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168 Responses to “Immediate Impact: Robinson, Smith Making Plays For Defense”

  1. By MuskyFever on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    LOL, yeah no joke immediate impact… Those guys and AP are the only reason we won at all

  2. By realviking on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Harrison Smith is the man this guy does not play like a rookie, he lines up in the box doesn’t fall for the play action fake and make it back to interrupt the pass or cover the top.
    When was the last time we had a safety return a pick he’s clearly an impact out their.
    Jefferson is the Ponder of our defense I don’t know why he’s out their you wood think Robinson would get picked on for being a rookie but quarterbacks seem to love attacking Jefferson.

  3. By MuskyFever on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    I have been SOOO impressed with H smith over the season. that his pick6 yesterday was the nail in the coffin for me. His official jersey has been shipped to my house today. After buying a walsh Jersey I tried to tell myself no more… Then H. Smith came out and lit people up… I just had to pull the trigger, I had too

  4. By DRS. on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Be happy that this team is 7-6 not 0-13. Be thankful that the Vikings are not taking years to rebound from a bad year, we could be like the old Saints, I remember when their fans put bags on when they showed up to games. I do not expect any team from this div. to make it to the SB, there are far better team standing in the way; though anything can happen. This team is light years better than last year, I am very happy with them no matter what the final record is. SKO Vikings, I believe if the team lives up to their abilities we will be 10-6 and may win one or two playoff games. Go Vikings!

  5. By DRS. on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Go Vikings, Have a great day.

  6. By realviking on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Offensive players will soon be scared of him our secondary is actually better then past seasons.
    Smith made Sanford elevate his game

  7. By Ponder AKA 3 and out on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    we need pick-6′s the last 3 games to have a shot at winning them. why does Ponder continue to pressure our defense to score points to win? another very sub-par game for Ponder!!!!!!!!

  8. By vikingfanforlife on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Time to get behind our team for our remaining games. Just keep winning Vikes.

  9. By Haystack Calhoun on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    It would be nice if we could use Joe Webb in some read option plays just like RG3 or Cam N. It would put another threat on the field down the stretch.I can’t see Ponder winning on the road floating that $hit up in the air two games no way.

  10. By Haystack Calhoun on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    I’m behind them but we need another threat in place of Harvin. Webb is capable of running that read option.Ride AP in there and take off just like Cam or RG3.

  11. By CaribooBill on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    A terrific effort by the TEAM for a deserved win. I think it was OTK who predicted that the secondary would show up in the latter part of the season to help win games. I noticed that Walsh had no touchbacks, yet the Bears average starting position was inside the 20! Awesome work by special teams for that!

  12. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    I really do not understand after the Vikings kicked some Bear but-ox yesterday with a GREAT team effort…Fans are still complaining about what Ponder didn’t do …Instead what wonderful things some of the players did do yesterday ???..

    Ponder did what Frazier and Musgrave asked of him…Ponder was 11-17…Wright dropped one pass…Aroma missed on a big play down the middle…
    And YES…Ponder missed a big play down the middle to Wright also, after throwing off his back foot…AGAIN !!…

    But really the only play Ponder failed at…Was the Wright throw…Jenkins even had a good day…Jenkins caught some very crucial 3rd down conversions…To keep the chains moving..Which kept AP running…Which was exactly the way the game was planned by Frazier and Musgrave…

    The idea of this game is to win…If fans are not terribly excited if there is enough passing in the game to thrill there needs ???…I don’t think Frazier or Musgrave really care as long as they win…

    AP is doing all the WONDERFUL things he has shown us this year…Do you really think that happens if your team is built for the passing game ???..
    C’mon Man !!!…

    I mentioned at the bye week…The passing game would get better…After getting Harvin back from injury…Well guess what ??…Harvin isn’t coming back this season…

    I also mentioned, I believed the secondary would get around 8+ ints the last six games of the year…Being familiar with division foes…

    The first 3, of those six games…The Vikings secondary have 4 of those eight plus interceptions I mentioned…

    AP is shouldering the load !!!…Appreciate what you are seeing on the field…Even Jenkins and Wright are doing what they can to help…With at least, what Frazier and Musgrave in-trusts to the passing game right now…

    AP is racing for the all time rushing record !!!…Be happy and support your team !!!…

    Because whether anybody likes where the passing game is or not…Frazier and Musgrave are going to game plan on having AP carry this team to the playoffs !!!…And have Ponder do just enough done with the passing game…To get that done…

    And guess what ???….AP wouldn’t have it any other way !!!…

  13. By Kathy P on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    I agree with you Haystack. That’s all he’s capable is throwin floaters according to the experts. Oh, and interceptions, I forgot that. The Defense stepped up for our team, and AP: he hasnt let us down. Congrats to the (2) picks as well. If it hadn’t been for them, we would not have won yesterday. Look for Ponder to be blitzed alot in the next (3) remaining games cause that is what will happen. He will be on his arse more than standing up.I love my VIKES and wish them well, but I don’t see that ever happening with Ponder in as QB. Best of Luck to all of them in the next (3) games.

  14. By BlueBird7 on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    As we all know, it was a good game for a change! Won’t go on the Ponder bit.

    I am courious about Webb walking off the field with some trainers by his side late in the game. What happened? Fred Jones, Spencer?? Anybody??

  15. By Jimmy F on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Ponder is the most fortunate QB in the league. His team bails him out again. This team is soooo 1 dimensional. It can’t fool anyone what we are doing, because of the QB position. Great team effort and AP is the MVP of the league. It’s depressing watching the passing game. AP carries this team every week. No other RB has as poor a passing game than him. Get Webb involved tooo. Why do they waste a roster spot with him holding a clipboard. Play too win the game!!

  16. By Ponder AKA 3 and out on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    i was reading a article the other day and they were comparing Ponders numbers to other qb’s after 23 games. none of the other qb’s ever became regular starters. most were either backup qb’s or 3rd string and most ended up totality out of football after 4 years

  17. By MuskyFever on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    @ OTK… C’mon man, your smarter than that…

    You know as well as I do what Ponder DIDN’T DO!!!

    We are all very excited to have a win and hope we continue to win. But Ponder still played like garbage. Fraizer game planned to not have Ponder throw the ball so we wouldn’t lose… is that what you want rom your franchise QB drafted 12th overall in the first round????????

    This is rediculous! Ponder did what was asked because they didn’t ask him to do anything.

    OTK I have a lot of respect for what you have to say 99% of the time… But Ponder did NOT play even remotely close to well

  18. By BlueBird7 on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Some of you asked if the Rams have a Branden Marshall on the team.

    Don’t know about that but they do have C. Long, son of HOF Howie Long.

    He will find Ponder and in J. Allen style, will say hi! Keep your hat on Ponder…

  19. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    At the beginning of the season…It was Titus,Fred, and myself…That believed the Vikings could play well within our division…

    Everyone thought we were pretty crazy predicting 3-3 in our division…I even went out on a limb and said we might even go 4-2 if we win both games against the Lions…And predicted splits with the Bears and Packers…

    When I made those predictions…My thoughts were not, that we would win at either games at Lambeau or Soldier fields…

    Those overly optimistic views (said by many on this site) of Titus Fred and myself…Are now coming true…

    So WHY are fans complaining ???…

    Frazier announced to the world at the beginning of the season…

    “This is a run first offense”….

    So why is everyone mad…For doing what Frazier said he was going to do ???

  20. By realviking on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    You know I actually felt good going to work this morning aster winning that game. A Packers fan told me how much he loves AP and wish they could find a back half as good.
    AP will be the best back to play this game he has a size and speed combination that a lot of backs didn’t have and he’s shifty he doesn’t always have to truck a player he can juke them out there cleats.

  21. By Haystack Calhoun on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    I sure can vision Webb running that read option just like RG3 catching the defense off gaurd and you all know he has the talent cause he’s elusive like Harvin.

  22. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Musky…

    In your own words…

    “This is rediculous! Ponder did what was asked because they didn’t ask him to do anything”

    _____________

    Exactly !!!….

  23. By BlueBird7 on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    The Rams want to make the play-offs as well as the Vikings..Watch out Frazier.

    Keep MBT/Webb on the sidelines. Watch the C. Long play with Ponder..’

  24. By GrandDaddyPurp on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    PAY PERCY

  25. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    BB7…

    Webb had a foot injury …
    Something to do with dropping a clipboard ???

    SORRY….lol…

    I just had to do it !!!… ; )

    Not sure why Webb would have left ??…But will try and find out…

  26. By MuskyFever on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    @OTK…

    HOW IS THAT OK IN ANYWAY??????????????????????????????

    THEY ASKED HIM TO DO NOTHING, THUS HE DID NOTHING. THEY ASK HIM TO DO THINGS AND WHAT DOES HE DO….. N-O-T-H-I-N-G!!!!!!!!!!!

    C. Ponder is probably the worst QB on the NFL field this year. Including Nick foles who has only started what 2 games maybe 3 ever

  27. By Haystack Calhoun on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    I’m saying the Rams want lay down Ponder and the staff got to bring there A game.I know we can beatem cause we have more talent but any given sunday.

  28. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    BB7…

    Yes…The Vikings play a dreaded AWAY game this week again !!!..

    But this away game is on artificail turf !!!!!!!….hahahahahaha…(evil laugh again)

    I predict a close game…But a Viking win…

  29. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Musky…

    Frazier himself said yesterday…

    Ponder did everything we asked of him yesterday….

    Ponder doing what the boss tells him to do…

    Is a good thing..Isn’t it ???

  30. By Troutdaddy on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    I think that the commentators in thegame yesterday were spot on. The fact that Frazier said he was committed to the run for the whole game made it clear that this teams dimension does not include throwing the ball deep right now. The fact that we have such a great running game is what sealed the deal for us and Peterson is the reason we pulled it off yesterday. I know there were also amazing plays by Robison and Smith and others and they should be proud of how they kept us ahead and kicking the Bears around. That was awesome, but Peterson again proved his worth and single-handedly saved this game and kept our play-off hopes alive. I konw it is still along-shot for us to make it, but at least it is an opportunity. If this team cannot find a way to be more than one-dimensional, then we are going to see our play-ff hopes dwindle. We have the toughest schedule remaining and we can’t expect to succeed if this is our plan. I am not going to rip Ponder today. The kid got a win and made some clutch throws. Yeah- it wasn’t pretty, but he assisted in getting us the W so that is a good thing. I am still not a fan at what Musgrave is coming up with each week and am just dumbfounded as to why on a 3rd and 21 he opts for a running play? I don’t care if my grandma was the QB- you call a pass play and give our guys the opportunity to get it done. In order to gaain trust you have to give it and have faith. Musgrave is as scared to call a play as Ponder is to make all his reads! On Ponders interception- at least he had the guts to try to make the play when he saw Wright breaking free.. He just threw it terrible. Ok- I am stoked we got the win and kept stuff alive for the time being. I think that we can beat the Rams next week and our receivers may actually have some great mis-matches. Peterson will run for another 150+. Mark my words…

  31. By Parkway on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    I didn’t know Frazier asked Ponder to throw an INT

  32. By realviking on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    @OTK

    Your one of the few smart bloggers but Muskyfever made a good point.

    Why would a coach be afraid of putting the ball in his franchise quarterbacks hand?

    What Frazier said yesterday is basically saying he told Ponder he won’t let him lose the game for us.

    Did you guys saw the look on Fraziers fave when Ponder three it on 3rd downs Frazier looked like he was holding his breath.

  33. By vikesince69 on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    I figured people would be all giddy about the Vikes this morning and it is fun watching Cutler get his clock cleaned a couple of times yesterday but lets talk reality.

    2012 Season has taught us the following by group:

    There are really only 3 Impact players on this Team and they are Harrison Smith, Adrian Peterson and Blair Walsh. I left Harvin out because too me you have to play an entire season to really be an impact player and he has yet to do that!

    With that being said here is what I see about this team.

    OL: By far the most productive and improved as a group, dont think it is a coincidence Peterson is having an MVP year!

    WR: Totally stink!! nuf said

    QB: Worse than WR corps if that is possible! Dont worry, his fiancee will be able to get him a great gig with ESPN!

    Defense: DL has terrible pass rush scheme; every QB we play steps to either the right or left side of pass rush and has a wide open throwing lane. Just go back and look at the tape. The few times we actually get there we cant make a tackle!!
    Still missing a lot of tackles. Henderson and Brinkley are really medicore. Need to improve overall on this D to be a SB caliber team!

    Coaching: Start over, all of the above is directly linked to this group…you cannot separate this teams performance or lack thereof from the Coach! Maybe keep OL coach and Special Teams but the rest need to go.

    I cant believe were talking about playoffs…does anybody really think we can win out and if we by some miracle did win out we will be one and done the end. We have no passing attack….you cannot win a playoff game on the road thinking your RB is going to get 200 yards every game and your D will get two pick sixes…teams will stop that from happening and so then your left with Ponder deciding the teams fate and we all know what will happen with that!!

    I dont mean to be so negative especially after a win but I been watching this organization for 43 years and after a while you just see things coming before they get here.

    GO Vikes!

  34. By realviking on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    I’m happy we got a win and I believe that every fan should be happy, but as a fan when I watch games I look for positions that needs to be improved to.

    Its not just the quarterback position that needs improvement although it’s the most important one.

    Coming into this season I always believed we can split wins in the division I believed we could’ve made the playoffs because of the strength of our schedule

  35. By MuskyFever on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    @ vikesince69

    All good points man

  36. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Musky…Nick Foles threw the ball all over the place yesterday…Yep !!!…

    How many yards did his RB have ???…

  37. By BlueBird7 on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    The Rams game will be a warmup for the 23 Dec game at the Houston Texans!

    At that game Ponder (of course, who else?) will meet up with J.J. Watt.

    I know he has had 11 & half sacks this year, with 40 QB pressures.

    He is as good as Jared Allen, wouldn’t you say? Texans at top of the heap.

    Vikings, sad to say, still sniffing at the bottom. Thanks Frazier/Mustgraves.

  38. By MuskyFever on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    @ OTK…

    Thats not the point, the point is that Foles can go through reads, read Dfenses, hit recievers in stride, actually throw a deep ball, has pocket presance…. Of all of those things I listed can Ponder do any of them?????? ummm…. NOPE!!!!!!!!!

  39. By Parkway on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    The Ravens just fired their OC, but I’m confused.I thought if you have a winning record that means everything is lollipops and sunshine? You can’t look at weaknesses and try to make them stronger? I’m so confused.

  40. By realviking on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    RG3 and his running back both put big numbers up consistently so does Russell Wilson and lynch.
    With a running back like AP i expect my quarterback to throw for more yards then what Ponder is throwing for.
    When this season is over I hope he’s out of here just like 2012, the media knows that he’s been holding us back that’s why everyone says we’re one dimension.
    If AP don’t win the MVP or comeback player of the year I blame Ponder because he will only lose out to Manning because they have the better record.

  41. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    I think the cycling season ended yesterday.

  42. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    One of the amazing stats JJ Watt has…

    Is his ability to knock down pass attempts !!!…

    I think Watt has knocked down more pass es himself..Than the rest of the DE’s in the league combined…

    Yep…He is good…But so is “rookie” Kalil !!!… ; )

  43. By ozzinator on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    But we have Mistral Raymond……..

  44. By Derek on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    The thing I dont understand is, Peterson’s running over everyone yet, we cant get the play action going. Thats a mystery to me.

  45. By realviking on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    I wish Frazier would let Jared Allen move around on the line so he can get away from these double teams instead of using him as a decoy.
    Teams keep sending the tightend to help if Allen moved away from the tightend they would be forced to burn a timeout or audible it would play to our favor

  46. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Ozz…

    We have Mistral Raymond AND Cook coming back (most likely) for the Texans game !!!…

    Cook can help us stop Andre Johnson…(if he plays, and is not resting) for the playoffs…

  47. By Troutdaddy on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    A few observations for yesterday. Jefferson does not know how and when to jump. He was playing very tight coverage on Marshall but still failed to locate the ball or jump at the right moment. I know he got his bell rung as well towards the end, but these are the types of things that kept the bears moving the ball. These are the types of things that cost us games this year. Also, what was the deal with Loadholt jumping the line? I also wanted to pint out that Gearhart is a stud! He only gets a few snaps and every one of them he does the job. Walsh did a great job yesterday and Kluwe actually performed well too. I still wich that Walsh would kick more out of the endzone…For some reason I have a feeling that Walsh may end up being the saving miracle in one of our next 3 games. .. Just a hunch…

  48. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Derek…

    The Bears are the best in football defending the pass in the 5-10 yard area…Who the Vikings have played 2 of their last 3 games against…

    And the Vikings have also lost Harvin for the season…The player that was the best in football…Executing pass plays between the 5-10 yard area…And at getting yards after the catch…after catching the ball in space…

  49. By Troutdaddy on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    @Spencer…..You hear that? Cook may make it back!?!? There is a Santa! Where are your bels and whistles? I would have thought that any mention of this would launch a tirade of posts with video and enthusiasm….Wait for it, wait for it……

  50. By GrandDaddyPurp on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Maybe we should try J-Rob and Harrison out as receivers.

  51. By Parkway on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    I’m so confused though? How could a team fire their OC if they have a winning record? It means everything is fine if you have a winning record???? Where is MIke B to explain this to me? I just don’t get it

  52. By vikess86 on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    alright. I don’t understand why ponder couldn’t have done that against the pack last week. we would be 2-1 instead of 1-2 just give the ball to peterson. never the less we won now its time to move on. It was great to see michael jenkins step up. ALthough some of the fans might say he sucks. He did pretty well yesterday. i would like for webb to become more involved in the offense like start. frazier shut us fans up. i would like to see how Webb was beat in OTA’s. AP is off the chain this year. the Defense was great yesterday. lets get behind our team. And great job o line.

  53. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Ponder played very poorly against the Packers..

    I will not say anything to defend those 2 ints he threw in the red zone…

  54. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    I expect Spielman to draft another QB this spring…

    If nothing else…So there is more competition at QB next season…

    Spielman will stay on top of the QB situation…

  55. By GrandDaddyPurp on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    After covering Megatron and Marshall its going to seem easy for J-Rob to cover any other receiver

  56. By GrandDaddyPurp on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    This week Pond will be throwing against 2 rookie CBs I wanted us to draft.

  57. By MuskyFever on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Just watch GDP both of them will pick him off and one will return it for a score. HAHAHAHA!!!!

    BENCH PONDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  58. By realviking on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    @OTK

    I hope Spielman expects to do the same thing because it’s time to get a true franchise quarterback that can lead this team.
    I think if we had a true quarterback we would be a problem for other teams we have an advantage on teams because they play us different when AP is in the backfield.

    With a true quarterback we would be making them pay for cheating against the run and as soon as they move the 8th and 9th man out of the box our true franchise quarterback could audible and let AP break one with ease.

  59. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    By realviking on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    @OTK

    Your one of the few smart bloggers but Muskyfever made a good point.

    Why would a coach be afraid of putting the ball in his franchise quarterbacks hand?

    What Frazier said yesterday is basically saying he told Ponder he won’t let him lose the game for us.

    Did you guys saw the look on Fraziers fave when Ponder three it on 3rd downs Frazier looked like he was holding his breath.

    ____________________

    Sorry, missed this post earlier..Until now…

    Frazier wasn’t the only one holding his breath when Ponder was dropping back to pass on 3rd down plays…. ; )

    Frazier and Musgrave now this team isn’t built “yet” to have the passing game carry the offense with AP…

    But for many reasons…Not just Ponder…

  60. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    *now = know

  61. By BV167 on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Larry Fitzgerald!!!!!! Bring him home in the off season!!!

  62. By MuskyFever on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    @ OTK… Fraizer and Musgrave, now this team isni’t built “yet” to pass…

    OTK are you kidding me… THIS IS AN NFL TEAM… They are “:BUILT” to play NFL football. If passing is a part of the NFL, and I am pretty sure that it is then that is something a team needs to be able to win or even have a fighting chance for that matter.

    I agree with you that the passing game has more issues that just ponder… But let me put it in perspective for you. If we had B. Marshall, Megatron and harvin as our two outside recievers and Harvin in the slot… I bet Ponders numbers would still be similar to what they are now because he has no arm strength, no pocket poise, no accuracy, no ability to lead recievers, no ability to read the D… I could go on and on and on and on and on… you get the point.

    It doesn’t matter if Ponder is not the only thing wrong with this Pass Offense…. What matters is that he IS the BIGGEST part of the passing offense. WIthout that we are nothing… NUFF SAID

  63. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    I see Ponder developing on what he is seeing on the field of play…

    But he is doing a poor job getting himself set up to throw to those open receivers…Ponder is rushing things..Instead of setting his feet and stepping into his throws…He has the time…He just doesn’t have the feel for that part of the game yet…And doesn’t trust it ???…

    And as long as Frazier and Musgrave “see” Ponder struggling with that part of his game…

    Frazier and Musgrave will not trust Ponder…Until he understands that part of his game better…

    Ponder I think will get it figured out…imo..

  64. By Canadian Vikes Fan on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Only Vikings fans would be 7-6 and in the thick of a playoff race and be saying fire all the coaches and bench the Quarterback. I think Frazier has earned another year as head coach, only coaching change I would make is OC because the play calling is TURRIBLE. However, if roles were reversed and Ponder had Brandon Marshall to throw to things would be a LOT different.
    The reality is the receiving core is NOT where it needs to be for Ponder to have any success. I expect it to be a lot better when Percy comes back next year and assuming we draft some more kids. Therefore wait until next year, If we revamp our receiving core and Ponder still sucks then I agree we need to move on. But if you think anything is gonna change in the last couple weeks of the season then get over it

  65. By MuskyFever on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    @ Canadian Vikes…

    It doesn’t matter if Ponder had Marshall or not… read my post above… Personally I think Harvin is better than Marshall… and it didn’t matter when Harvin was in teh game now did it. Ponder STINKS regardless of who he is throwing too

  66. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Better receivers…Get more separation…Leaving bigger windows to throw into…

    Ponder is throwing into very small windows most of the time right now in the short passing game…

    And when he does get the chance to set up and throw the ball deep…He is rushing himself…Throwing off his back foot a lot…And not setting his feet for those kinds of throws…He is too used to throwing the quick stuff and short…

    Longer throws need time to set up and step into…Ponder is all out of sync on those type of throws…Coaching and experience will correct that…imo..

  67. By CaribooBill on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    OTK: In Frazier’s presser, he said that Ponder has to be able to pass against 8 and 9 man fronts. When I watched the game again it seemed to me that he was pressured a lot, on almost every play. The Bears put 8 and 9 in the box almost always. That works (or should work) against both the run and the pass. The int was a case in point – he was under pressure and threw when he should not have. He couldn’t step up because there was an OL and DL block right in his face. There were at least 3 third and long situations where Ponder and Jenkins connected for a first down.

  68. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Harvin was a top ten receiver until he got hurt…With Ponder throwing to him…

    And it doesn’t matter one bit…WHERE Harvin catches the ball when he goes on his little scampers…Because the play was “designed” for Harvin to do “exactly” that !!!…To run after the catch…To get Harvin in space…To do…What Harvin is the best in the league at doing…

  69. By CaribooBill on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    OTK: On the first deep throw to Aromashodu, Ponder was able to step up and throw. The ball was right on the money, in stride for Aromashodu, 55 yards down the field. Ponder can make that throw.

  70. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    CaribooBill..

    I thought Jenkins did a great job yesterday…

    Those were BIG 3rd down plays he caught…

    Many deep in our territory…Against a VERY GOOD defense….

  71. By realviking on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    We have issues on the passing game but I believe that AP would make an average quarterback look good with the respect he gets.

    Were playing against a nine man box their is no way that everyone our receivers are getting locked down that’s impossible.

    I think it’s a quarterback issue Ponder can’t feet the ball to them, he just can’t fit it in their his am is to weak.

    You go over the game plan every week as a quarterback you should know where to put the ball for your receivers to make a play that’s why you practice.

    It doesn’t make any since to be overthrowing a guy who beats the secondary. On a streak route your quarterback is suppose to throw the ball far so three receiver can go get it. Even if that receiver is covered if he’s faster then the DB he will eventually out run him and make it to the ball first.

    I played football it’s hard to be running full speed and then have to come back because of a mistake. Receivers are told to out run a DB so once you get behind him any pass that’s behind you is an advantage for the DB because once you stop he knows that he have the advantage now.

  72. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    CaribooBill…

    Yes…He did take the time to step into that throw to Aroma…

    But on the reverse side…

    He had time to set up that pass to Wright also…And took a quick shot with the ball off of his back foot…(that pass never had a chance)…

    Ponder had room and time to set up that throw…And rushed it…

  73. By realviking on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    What play was this because i recorded the game and I see the defensive back knocking an insertion pass away that the receiver had to stop for.
    What game was you watching how do you hit a guy in stride but a defensive back who is behind the guy knocks it down that doesn’t happen in football.

  74. By CaribooBill on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    OTK – if you can – watch it again. A blocker and a DL were locked up right in front of him. He would have had to roll out to get space to set up, I think. Someone said that he should have thrown it earlier – maybe so.

  75. By CaribooBill on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    realviking: It was at 6:39 of the second quarter.

  76. By Parkway on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    I like this analysis:

    Nobody learned anything more about Christian Ponder on Sunday afternoon. He was 11-for-17 for 91 yards with no touchdowns and an interception. He threw some nice p@sses, and he threw some terrible p@sses. He continued to float b@lls into crowds as if he had Yao Ming posting up in the paint.

  77. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    realviking…

    That was the pass…Wright got past the coverage…But Ponder badly under throws that pass…

    I thought Ponder had time to set his feet and throw that pass…But CaribooBill thinks maybe he didn’t….

    I think it might very well be the same play designed that Wright burned the Bears on for 54 yards…His first game Wright played in with the Bears ???…

    Not positive though…

  78. By CaribooBill on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Parkway: I agree.

  79. By realviking on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    That’s not true peppers came from the end Ponder stepped I’m the pocket pump faked and under threw the ball

  80. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Wish I would have taped the game…

    I thought that happened differently than that ???…

  81. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Lots to do today here…

    Have a great snowy day to all…

    Try and catch up some threads later…

  82. By Mike B. on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    We still Ponder bashing. What a bunch of fans you are. What you saw yesterday is Vikings Football in the mind of the Head Coach. Game managed, run first, keep the lead type of game. Ponder managed the clock and did enough to keep the Bears off the field till they had to throw to win. Our D feeds off of that kind of play and the D put the game away for us. I don’t think you will ever see a 34 to 0 game from Frazier. It’s just not in his game plan. The days of a QB lighting up the field is over under Coach Fraizer. Ponder fits his style of game plan. You can like it or not. That’s how it is.

  83. By Mike B. on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    In both Long P@sses Ponder had to move out of the Pocket under duress and didn’t get planted before he threw.

  84. By Mike B. on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Ponder also made a couple dead on throws on 3rd downs that extended drives. You all need to look at other players too when you are so critical on one player. I saw lots of mistakes yesterday and not just Ponder. You all need to take a honest look at the game.

  85. By realviking on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Look at the td pass to Jeffery that’s what you call hitting someone in stride if Cutler under the that Robinson would’ve had another pick.

    How so you call someone falling waiting for a ball hitting them in stride, if it was in stride the ball would’ve landed in front or next to them not behind them

  86. By I Heart Mediocrity on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Come on guys Ponder threw over 50 yards, that is genius

  87. By I Heart Mediocrity on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Did you guys see that 5 yard pass Ponder threw to Wright? I thought I was watching Brady it was so good

  88. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Could you imagine if Randy Moss had come here? How would he be acting right now? What would he be saying?

  89. By ozzinator on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    WWRD

  90. By Tomcat on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Ponder threw a beautiful pass to Gerhart that only lost 1 yard.

  91. By purplehaze1 on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    If Les wants #7 to have another 96 yd game: he’s going to need Tommy John surgery…GO VIKES!!!

  92. By MuskyFever on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    In the last four blogs you guys pretty much covered all of POnders Pass es.

    @ Mike B… I am starting to be pretty convinced that you are Mike W… aka wobby and not mike B. Which makes it hard to take anything you say seriously… Because if you are Mike W. They pay you to think on their side, so If I was you I would say the same BS over and over and over agian. If your not… then I flat out don’t agree with anything that you said about Ponder. You can apologise for him all you like, just understand you are the minority in this debate. Even the Pro analyst think you are wrong. I will side with them, cause they know more than I do.

    out of all of the vikings fans I would guess that there is stil 10% left of you “ponder apologists” the other 90% has recognized POnder for what he really is… A BACK UP at best!!!! Then there are some people that don’t care either way and even they think it’s time for him to go.

    I’m sure he will start the rest of the year and I am fine with that. I’d rather him not, but whats three games. You may have your opinions, but honestly I think you are fighting a losing battle after this season.

  93. By realviking on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Frazier really believes that he don’t need a quarterback to win games, is that idiot trying tho get AP injured again.
    He needs to understand the NFL today is not the same NFL we grew up watching you need to be able to throw the ball.
    This is a pass friendly NFL the quarterback has the advantage this isn’t the same NFL as when Frazier and his buddy played for the bears. The bears at the time had the best defense and the league was dirty with less calls.
    They didn’t just rely in Walter Payton to run all game they also had a pro bowl quarterback who was drafted 5th overall.
    You need a quarterback to win now days I really don’t like the way he’s building this team AP needs some help, I don’t want to see him end up like some other great backs who got overused.

  94. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    I only heard Harvin mention vocally on one receiver this season…

    And that was …How well Harvin thought “Wright” has made strides, since the beginning of training camp…That was about 3 weeks ago..

    Was Harvin wrong ???…

    Has anybody else heard Harvin say anything else getting better…With the wide receiving core ???…

    Harvin may be outspoken…But he does speak his mind…

  95. By BlueBird7 on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Beating on Ponder is like beating on a dead horse! Neither one will get up.

  96. By skolpurpleandgold on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    good game except for quarterback play, PUT IN WEBB already

  97. By BlueBird7 on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Ponder. Get on Nelly and ride to the Round House, they can’t corner you there!

  98. By ccfan80 on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    I’d just like to point out that when we had Percy, Ponder was playing much better. Percy is the only receiver who was consistently getting separation and helping Ponder.

  99. By realviking on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Look at Larry Fitzgerald one of the best receivers in the game he can’t even get a catch not because he can’t get open, its because his quarterbacks suck like Ponder they can’t hit an open target

    It was like that for randy Moss when we traded him to the Raiders. Oakland drafted a 1st round quarterback who we all know what he ended up being, they couldn’t get the ball to Moss so everyone thought he was washed up and lost it. They traded him to the Patriots and he showed everyone one what he can do when he has a quarterback.

    Ponder is the problem but I have a feeling the Vikings will make the same mistake that the Raiders made.

  100. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    I just have to applaud Spielman again…

    Just think if his original vision of this passing offense he had after the draft..Would have became reality ???…

    With having AP, and Gerhart at RB…And have Percy,Childs,Wright, and Rudolf all on the field to throw too…If all were developed this stage of the season and healthy…

    Kudos…Mr Spielman !!!…

    Look at the rest of what we had in this springs draft…Kalil.J Rob,Walsh,etc…

    Awesome job !!!…

  101. By realviking on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Harvin made the plays happen Ponder wasn’t doing anything special it was Harvin who was breaking tackles.
    When teams picked up on his style and started to stop the bubble screen Ponder didn’t know what to do because he can’t throw.

    What quarterback have you seen throw a bad bubble screen. It’s obvious Harvin screamed on Frazier only because he allowed Ponder to lose games for us.

  102. By BlueBird7 on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    real viking

    You are correct on that. I was, and still am, mad as he11 Randy was traded!!

  103. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    How on earth did I forget H Smith in that post !!!

  104. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    realviking…

    If Harvin was mad at Ponder…

    Harvin would have been yelling at Ponder…

    Not Frazier !!!…

  105. By realviking on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    I don’t believe Ponder was the quarterback that Spielman wanted from the start. During that offseason everyone thought we would draft Jake Locker because of the amount of time he spent at out facility.

    They panicked and picked Ponder because the Titans stole Locker from us so now they want us to believe Ponder was always the pick. Whoever watched that draft should remember Ponder was a last second pick, the clock almost ran out on us because they didn’t have there minds made up.

  106. By BlueBird7 on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    OTK

    I ran my game tape and realized I mistook Jefferson for Webb.

    All I could see at first was the number 4 on the jersey.not the one.

    Thanks for looking anyway!

  107. By realviking on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    @OTK

    I know you saw the look on Harvin face when Ponder kept missing him even on bubble screens.
    I think he went to complain to Frazier and yelled at Frazier because Frazier didn’t want to make a change.
    Frazier said the discussion was because Harvin wanted to win thts why he was upset and we all know who obviously was holding us back.
    AP was doing his job Ponder couldn’t do his hr kept missing open targets and Frazier ignored it as always.
    As a player before too argue with a teammate your always told to let your head coach handle it aren’t you because that’s what I was taught.

  108. By northwoodsv2 on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Frazier announced to the world at the beginning of the season…
    “This is a run first offense”….
    So why is everyone mad…For doing what Frazier said he was going to do ???

    _________________________________________________________

    People are upset because our “Pass second” offense has lost more games for us than it has won. If we could win every game by running AP, heck, I’d be all for it. But during the games that AP DOESN’T score enough TDs, and our D DOESN’T score enough TDs, or DOESN’T stop the other team from scoring, our passing game won’t get it done.

    For us to be a “run first” offense, we have to have a successful passing game to back it up.

  109. By CaribooBill on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Do I think Ponder is our franchise QB now? Obviously not.
    Do I think he will become one? Honestly – No.
    Do I think we can win with him? Not consistently.
    Do we have our franchise QB on the team right now? No.
    Should we draft another QB if one is available? Yes.
    I’m done discussing Ponder until after the Rams game.

  110. By Ponder AKA 3 and out on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Peterson continued to carry the entire offense with a 154-yard, two-touchdown effort that gives him a legitimate shot at posting a 2,000-yard rushing season. Peterson is forced to shoulder such a heavy load because Minnesota’s passing offense is so dreadful. Ponder’s longest completion Sunday went for 16 yards. He finished with 91 passing yards, marking the 10th game this season that Ponder failed to reach triple digits

  111. By realviking on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    And were also upset because if he wanted a run first offense then we should’ve never wasted a 1st round pick on a quarterback.

    We could’ve traded that pick for more and draft a quarterback with a later pick. I think we wasted a that pick.

  112. By northwoodsv2 on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Tell me this – what happens to our “run first” offense if AP gets another injury? We have NOTHING to replace him.

  113. By Tomcat on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    The best part of the Bears game was crushing Cutler. Man, he must be sore- mentally and physically. I was po`d because where Ilive Fox put on the Cowboys game.

  114. By Ponder AKA 3 and out on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    yep, we could of drafted a qb that could hand the ball off in the 6th round

  115. By BlueBird7 on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    I am not a Bears Fan, but I would pick the Bears over the Packers anyday!

  116. By Mike B. on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Nope Mike B is Mike B from South Dakota where it is cold and the snow is here. Vikings Fan since 1968. I just happen to agree with Mike W. many times.

  117. By northwoodsv2 on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    But hey, enough Ponder bashing……we don’t want to bruise his tattered psyche any more than it already is. Let’s concentrate on what has to happen for us to beat the Rams.

    1) Bench Ponder and play Webb – Webb can hand off to AP just as easily as Ponder can, he DOESN’T throw rainbows off his back foot, he can scramble to BOTH sides of the field, and has a much stronger arm (though accuracy has been an issue). Rams would have to respect the play-action.

    2) More CB blitz packages – Hitman almost got a sack yesterday – it was a nice change to see someone else rush the QB.

    3) Sabotage their stadium so the game has to be played at home.

  118. By Mike B. on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    As I have said before I am not apologizing for Ponder’s mistakes. I look at those as a young QB making mistakes that is not an appology. I think the rest of you are missing the mistakes made by the rest of the team and are too focused on Ponder. Even that said I have to agree with others like DRS that have said this team is much better than last year and that’s a good thing. I also think at the end of the season there will be an evaluation of Ponder, but IMO that doesn’t mean Ponder will not start next year. There may indeed be a competition for the starting QB and they bring in another QB to the mix. I am not sold on Ponder, but the coaches and vikings org are for now. That’s ok by me.

  119. By Mike B. on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    The one thing I am sure of is that Joe Webb is not a starting NFL QB and will not be the long term answer for the team. That’s why I say start Ponder the rest of the season for a better evaluation. I think Webb makes an adequate back up. IMO.

  120. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    northwoods…

    People are upset because our “Pass second” offense has lost more games for us than it has won. If we could win every game by running AP, heck, I’d be all for it. But during the games that AP DOESN’T score enough TDs, and our D DOESN’T score enough TDs, or DOESN’T stop the other team from scoring, our passing game won’t get it done.

    For us to be a “run first” offense, we have to have a successful passing game to back it up.
    ____________________________________

    So why did commentators remark last night in the Packer & Lions game ???….

    How they noticed that BOTH teams were running the ball in that game…Much more than usual…

    There thinking was…They were trying to mimic what Frazier has done to them this season with AP and the running game…

    When is the last time in this “copy cat league”…Anyone has tried to “mimic” anything a Vikings coach was doing with success ???…

    Sorry you are bored with this offense ??…Sounds like the coaching staff of the Packers and Bears are not at all…But rather impressed instead….

  121. By MuskyFever on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Mikel Loshour, Starks, and Green are NOT AP!!!!

    That is the difference. AP is a beast.. and the three listed above are barley even men compared to the Greekgod on our team

  122. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Musky…

    So your point is ???…

  123. By Vikings64 on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    This shows that the Vikings are heading for a bright future. Spielman and his team keep upgrading the players at each position. Last year the safeties and O-line were bad. Now they are turning into strengths. Next season a big upgrade at WR is needed. Teams built over time tend to remain good for longer than ones that go for the quick fix.

  124. By Kathy P on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    All the commentators on FOX during/at halftime/after the game kept saying that the team is one-dimensional and that one can’t continue to play one-dimensional and win games. And yes, what happens if/when AP is reinjured, god forbid! To this day, I can’t remember (1) team that has been totally one-dimensional getting anywhere in the NFL. I would love to have someone like Fitzgerald come to this team. A home grown MN boy through and through. BUT not with Ponder in as QB. One could always wish right? SKOL VIKINGS and CONTINUED GL to AP!!!!!!!!!

  125. By Parkway on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    I like how people are 100% positive Webb is not an NFL starting QB after they have seen him play 4 games and win from behind, yet they can see 23 games of Ponder being absolute garbage and somehow think he is a starting NFL QB???

  126. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    The point I was trying to make…

    All you Ponder haters…Want an offense more like the passing attacks of the Packers,Lions and Bears…

    And its the Packers, Lions and Bears…That are figuring out ???…

    Its Frazier and his brass tacks, back to a basic fundamental running game…That is making ALL the games played within our division…Very winnable for the Vikings…

    Whether they have ended up in the Win column or not so far for the Vikings this season ???…

  127. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    And this is happening without Harvin, or a very good CB in Cook…

  128. By MuskyFever on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    My point is we still need to be able to pass even with AP at the helm. It is still importnat to have balance on the team… WHich we don’t.

    Yes… this is a copy cat league… ut just because we saw other teams doing what we are doing, does not mean that we can stop throwing the football. because running the ball works “sometimes”

    You (OTK) used the copy cat league to defend a point you were making to northwoods. But Northwoods is right. We can be a “Run First” team. But we CAN NOT be a “run only” team. We ned to have a complimentary pas sing attack. They have Rogers and Stafford. Both running games worked in last nights game… WHY???? because they have complimentary passing games to help with the run.

    Northwoods was very much correct in his statements. We need to have both to be succesful, you know that as well as I do

  129. By MuskyFever on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    I don’t care if our p@assing Offesne looks like the packers. or the Lions or the Saints… But I do want SOME type of passing attack.. We need balance and we have none right now!

  130. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Musky…

    You know I agree with you…

    But I think we both might agree…What Frazier and Musgrave see as a “complementary passing game”….Is much different than most fans ???…

    Frazier wants to “impose his will” on the other teams defense !!!…

    What I do not believe…He literally is doing that of late???…With the O-line run blocking scheme being OUTSTANDING !!!…

    Will that kind of game planning last ???…Not sure now…I didn’t think it would make it this far ???…

  131. By Johnny on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    “his footwork, presence and arm strength on a late throw to an open Wright down the seam was painful to watch. So, too, was Ponder’s postgame reaction, when he said in part: “I had a flat to the left that I probably should have taken.” Wright was open for a 61-yard touchdown. You want your quarterback kicking himself for not making a better throw to capitalize, not wishing he had dumped it off to avoid the interception he threw because the ball fell short of an open receiver.”

  132. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Just think of last year…

    AP was getting hit with first contact almost every play…About 2 yards behind the line of scrimmage…

    Always said…Open that guy some decent holes…He would run for 2000 yards easy…

    Well ???….What is the BEAST doing !!!…Its crazy to see that king of talent !!!

    I’m not sure he can be stopped this year ???…

    Ponders confidence may be up or down a little…

    But AP’s confidence levels are off the charts !!!…

    Ride the wave Viking Fans !!!

  133. By northwoodsv2 on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    A complimentary passing game would win us games when AP can’t. So far, how many games have we won strictly because of our (giggle) passing attack?

  134. By Johnny on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Ponder had a reciever wide open for a 40+ yard touchdown, He misses…BADLY. So what was his excuse? “i should have thrown it to the flat for a 3 yard completion to the full back. <<<<this statement shows a guy with no confidence in his ability as a passer. He should have taken accountabilty for that poor throw and promise to complete it the next time he attempts it. Ponder, show us youre a true nfl quarterback and complete a pass over 10 yards…pleaaase!

  135. By Johnny on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Funny thing about AP is, the first 6 weeks of the season, he was getting his legs under him. The first game against the jags, he had HUMONGOUS holes to run through, but his breakaway gear was no there yet. What i am trying to say is, If peterson was a 100% from weeks 1-6, He could literally have 2000 yards by now and well on his way to 2500 yards. AP has always said he can achieve 2500 yards and you can laugh at that remark, but i have learned that when peterson makes a statement, He truly believes it and he will achieve it!

  136. By Johnny on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    give MB7 a chance vikings! he reminds me of brett favre!!

  137. By Parkway on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    ..

    I like how people are 100% positive Webb is not an NFL starting QB after they have seen him play 4 games and win from behind, yet they can see 23 games of Ponder being absolute garbage and somehow think he is a starting NFL QB???

  138. By MuskyFever on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    @ OTK I agree that fraizer is impossing his will.. Or really AP’s will all over opposing D’s. But we still need some type of consistent passing attack to be takin seriously in this league. I fear as long as Ponder is the QB no team will ever respect our P@ssing offense…

  139. By MuskyFever on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    @ parkway… Yep I agree with you. But if the coaches who are blindly supporting Ponder wont put Webb in even for a series… What does that tell you about Webb. If the guys supporting a terrible QB wont put in a back up… he must be the worst back up of all NFL back ups.

    I don’t actually believe in my heart what I just said. But it does kinda make sense.

    I honestly don’t care if we put J Allen in at QB i just want Ponder gone. Even though I know and have excepted that he will start the remainder of the year. But I do not believe that Webb is a true starter… Sorry Parkway, I just don’t

  140. By Parkway on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Webb is a better QB than Ponder, not by much, but it doesn’t take much. He’s not the long term answer, but I just find it funny the people who are Ponder apologists but think that Webb is somehow worse. It doesn’t mean Webb is a bad backup, it means Frazier will not admit Ponder was a mistake and that a 6th round QB is better. Plain and simple.

  141. By Johnny on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    at this point am starting to think that if ponder went down with an injury and webb came in and posted threw or run for like 4 touch downs and we won the game b at least 3 scores, ponder would keep the job

  142. By MuskyFever on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Yeah I know Parkway I agree with you. Like I said we could put Justing Morneau in at QB and I would be happy Ponder is gone…

    Unfortentely I agree with Johnny too…. LOL

  143. By Purple Heart on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    ALL Day and the defense win another one for us despite the play of I’m concetrating on getting married “Ponder”. All the rookie QB’s are doing better than this Guy! Oh Yeah, and he is not a rookie. If the way Adrian Peterson is running does not help set up your passing game nothing will. I blame the upper management for not properly accesing talent at the QB position. If joe webb is not good enough to play, why is he even our team. You mean to tell me that our offensive co-ordinator (and i’m stretching it to call him that) can’t even find a way to get webb involved in the game going down the stretch. C’mon Man!

  144. By MuskyFever on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    One also has to ask. What if the Bears did have Roby Gould and he was able to kick those three long field goals that they ended up Punting not to risk their kicker even further??? Also what happens if Hester catches that ball, or Jeffery for that matter. He dropped one in the endzone!!!! What if H smith didn’t get the pick6… what then.. I understand they are all what ifs… but again I ask you… WHAT IF?????????

  145. By BlueBird7 on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    And I say, Put Joe Webb in and lets find out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    That is alot of !!!! and I mean each and everyone!!!

  146. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    What if the refs would have called pass interfernce against the WR’s of the Bears…Like they should have…

    Would Cutler have had fewer passing yards than Ponder ???..

    Maybe the Vikings coaches just don’t teach our WR’s how to cheat right ???..

    Or legally ??…whatever ???…

  147. By BlueBird7 on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    a Lot of “ifs” Musky, and didn’t happen. Thank the boys in Purple!!

    The ones that played excellant that is.

  148. By BlueBird7 on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    OTK

    Where did you find all those ??????????

  149. By BlueBird7 on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    I know.. In Musky’s left rear pocket.

  150. By MuskyFever on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    @ OTK… YEAH!!!! I like those what ifs

  151. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Alshon was terrible…Check out that first down 30 yard catch that gave the Bears a first down on a 3rd down play…When they were on about on their own 5 yard line…

    He not only pushed off..He tripped our DB doing it…

  152. By MuskyFever on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Right rear poclet thank you very much

  153. By MuskyFever on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    oh the amount of offensive pass interfearance plays yesterday was mind boggling… I know the “what ifs”don’t matter, I was just saying

  154. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Marshall pushed off with both hands…On his TD pass late in that game …

  155. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    If anyone checks out those plays…Make sure to turn up the volume and listen to Goose say…”Well, at least the refs have been consistant all day with the non-calls on pass interference” …

    Yes…They sure were…

    As long as those “non-call plays” went the Bears WR’s way !!!…

  156. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    I should say “after” the TD to Marshall…

  157. By Vikings1 on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    I too am finished bashing Ponder, if my comments were for him to study Peyton Manning and Tom Brady to name a few, and to be the best that he can be and to put in the necessay hard work to acheive it, then I apologize, however, in my opinion I still believe we could have won a few more games with someone other than Ponder at QB, just saying.

  158. By Wild Viking on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Colin Cowherd said on his national radio show that Peterson has rushed for more yardage in the last 7 games than Ponder has thrown for. How many times in the last 25 years has anyone ever been able to say that? At this point it is laughable. The Vikings organization is becoming a laughing stock over this. Colin also has a new catch phrase: “D@mn you, Christian Ponder!” He came up with it last week after the Green Bay game was spoiled because of Ponders ints. He repeated it today. LOL I fear unless something is done we may all be repeating it soon.

  159. By megakrab on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    CMON TEXANS!!!! We need you to win… Not happening.

  160. By jcdogg on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Ok guys, I think this is something you all need to consider. The QB you are asking for threw less yardage in his first 22 games then our QB. Smith had a horrible first 3 years…his y/g average was around 140 and yes, many games under 100 and a few that boarded 100. So careful what you ask for, it may come true. I will tell you all this, be patient. Don’t compare Christian to Luck…he has better weapons, Griffen has better WR weapons and so does Russell. I guarantee that you give him a go-to receiver (Supposed to be Simpson) and he will start to grow. He does have to work on pocket presence, but that will come with experience. He is not a QB that is going to flash, he is a QB that will develop over time. I will say this till I am blue in the face. Put up with some erratic early behavior and he will grow. Remember he has no mentor as a QB. As for Carlson and Rudolph, when you have that good #1, the safeties have to respect them so they must follow them or at least respect a QB who is looking there way, so the tight ends become better. Yes to answer your question, some QBs are just great, but some do need a decent supporting cast and more experience.

    Mark my words, Ponder will be a strong, competitive QB once he is more comfortable in the system. It takes time to develop a franchise QB. I just saw a highlight reel that shows he can make the throws, all of them. He has a strong arm, when he plants and throws. He has to understand that and he will learn that in time. REMEMBER HE IS STILL YOUNG AND PROVED EARLY THAT HE HAS THE TOOLS TO BE SUCCESSFUL…HE PROVED THAT….NOW HE HAS TO BE CONSISTENT.

  161. By jcdogg on Dec 10, 2012 | Reply

    Wild Viking–more times then you think, and it depends on the QB. It has happened in Walter Payton’s era, It happened with Barry Sanders, It happened with Arian Foster, it happened with Tiki Barber, it happened with Chris Johnson….It has happens a lot when a team focuses on the run. So don’t make it sound like it is unheard of.

  162. By SmileyStar on Dec 11, 2012 | Reply

    keeping ponder as the starter does nothing to help the Vikings win. Webb has the skills to win. Rookies are playing better than ponder. Webb for QB 2013.

  163. By whitewashedblog on Dec 11, 2012 | Reply

    Whether the Vikes win or lose, they will always have my support. If one calls that blind fanship then so be it. When I was a little girl my mom would take my brother and I to Mankato, MN to watch the Vikes practice, what a thrill; back then it was the team of the Purple People Eaters with Carl Eller, Stu Voigt, Fran Tarkenton, and Bud Grant, etc. – what an amazing thing for a 7-year-old girl.

    One time when practice was done we went to get autographs and the team gladly gave them out; however, Mr. Tarkenton was a different story, he was a little less excited about it. I asked him, “Mr. Tarkenton, could I please have your autograph”, he signed my notepad and stated “That is how you ask for an autograph” and walked away from the crowd. He only signed my notepad that day and no one else’s. Something, I will never forget.

    Yes, the Vikes have struggled, but I do not think there is one guy out there that does not give everything he has. Sometimes it works out and sometimes it does not. Losing is disappointing and believe me there is nothing worse than to live in Wisconsin and support a loosing Viking team. I moved to Wisconsin with my family over 20 years ago – but I still wear my Viking jerseys and sweatshirts as often as I can and especially on Sunday. I have not missed an available game on TV in 40 years.

    This year we have had a lot of struggles, but as mentioned earlier (above), our QB is new and new to the whole system, he is having a tough time right now – but let’s get behind him and cheer him on. Thank you Adrian Peterson, Jared Allen, Brian Robison, Chad Greenway, Walsh, Harvin, and Winfield who have made this year fun to watch.

    Go Vikings!

  164. By Wild Viking on Dec 11, 2012 | Reply

    JC Dogg – You are making that up. I just went and checked the stats. Tiki Barber ran for 1,518 yards in 2004 (Eli Manning’s rookie season). That was over 16 games. So that’s an average of 94.8 yards per game. Eli manning only played in 9 games his rookie season and he threw for 1,043. That’s an average of 115.8 yards per game. And that was Manning’s rookie season and his worst year. It was also Barber’s 3rd best year of all time. In Manning’s 2nd year (2005) he played 16 games and threw for 3,762 yards. That year Barber had his best year of all time. He rushed for 1,860 yards. You do the math. Don’t tell everyone it happens “more times then you think” unless you can find several 7 game stretches in recorded history where IT ACTUALLY DID HAPPEN and then SHOW US THE STATS. And quit being a Ponder apologist. He is NEVER going to be a franchise QB. He has already been evaluated by NFL Analysts, which I’m assuming you are not, and they say he does not have the skills.

  165. By Dueyz on Dec 11, 2012 | Reply

    Peterson is a ‘believe’ factory. I think if he believed the Sun rotated around the Earth, it would begin to.

  166. By Gilberator on Dec 12, 2012 | Reply

    Wild Viking. Yeah….put your faith in NFL analysts. They are ALWAYS correct. Draft an AJ Green-type receiver and if that doesn’t increase Ponders play then it is time to move on. He made that 56 yard throw to the End zone. It hit Devon’s’ shoulder. That play should have been made. The int from the Wright throw was bad and he admitted it. I believe Ponder is progressing, its just hard to see with a sub-par pass blocking effort and a group of number 3 receivers. I’m happy with what my Vikes are doing. Another draft like last year and we will be looking pretty good. Obviously wont get as good of a position but if we choose our 1st pick wisely we could potentially sit pretty high in this division.

  167. By JHGONZF on Dec 12, 2012 | Reply

    It is simple. People are saying Ponder needs time to develop into a good QB, So us the fans we have to stop going to the stadium and stop paying for this expensives nfl sunday ticketts channels till he develops into a QB. We are paying all this expecting them to win or at least fight close games. He is supposed to be a pro, with pro coaches, with technology to help him with his development and game after game we are getting the same results with the same excuses. I believe us the fans have the right to ask for results the same way they expect us to expend money on them, so he can have an easy check by having games with less than 100 yards and Peterson killing himself for nothing. Frazier has to leave, he is scare to pull the trigger on Ponder. I can’t not believe Ponder is having this year with all the training camp, pre season games, and week after week of preparations.

  168. By Wild Viking on Dec 12, 2012 | Reply

    Gilberator – Quit deflecting for JC Dogg. Address the main point I was making to JC Dogg. Where are the stats to back up his earlier position that a running back has rushed for more yardage over a 7 game period than the starting QB “more times than you think”? Oh yeah, he can’t back it up because it rarely, if ever, happens over 7 games!!!! He is still searching the stat websites to find data to back up his statement. LOL Quit being Ponder apologists. The longer it takes people to face reality the longer it will take management and the coaching staff to do the same.

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