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A Closer Look: How To Slow Down Bears WR Brandon Marshall

Posted by Mike Wobschall on December 6, 2012 – 7:25 am

The Bears acquired WR Brandon Marshall this past offseason, thinking he was the missing link in a passing game that needed a big-time WR to complement the strong arm and gunslinging mentality of QB Jay Cutler. Through Marshall’s first 12 games in the Windy City, the Bears thinking is right on.

Marshall ranks 2nd in the NFL with 91 receptions and 1,182 yards, and he’s on pace to break the Bears single-season record for receptions and yards. No other Bears player has more than 30 receptions, and Marshall has been targeted by Cutler 95 more times than the next Bears receiver. Against the Vikings in Week 12, Marshall was targeted by Cutler 17 times and he came away with 12 receptions for 92 yards. While he didn’t get into the end zone against the Vikings, he was still a crucial factor in the game. Several times the Vikings had Chicago in unfavorable 3rd-down spots, and several times Marshall bailed the Bears out with a great grab in traffic or a few extra yards after the catch.

Adding to the frustration of Marshall’s production that day was the fact that often times he was guarded to near perfection by Vikings DBs, but he still came away with the catch. Cutler was able to fit the ball into tight windows, and even when a Vikings defender was in position to make a play, Marshall was able to make the better play.

So, what can the Vikings rely on to slow down the Cutler-to-Marshall tandem on Sunday at Mall of America Field? Let’s take a closer look at three things that should work…

Pressure the passer
Perhaps the best way for the Vikings to keep Marshall in check is to disrupt the man charged with delivering the ball to the tall, fast pass-catcher – Cutler. To do that, the Vikings must re-energize their pass rush to take advantage of a Bear defensive line that is missing starters and has dealt with inconsistent play. As Leslie Frazier explained on Wednesday while meeting with reporters, pressuring the passer isn’t all about sacks. Even if a defender doesn’t register a sack, hitting the QB and disrupting his timing can be just as good.

“They’ve changed their philosophy offensively to cut down on the sacks. They realized what their problems were and they made a smart move. We have to offset that with some of the things we’re going to try to do,” Frazier explained. “We may not get the sacks, because of what they’re doing now with the short passing game, but we have to hit that quarterback. We have to find a way to hit him and make him aware that our defense is on the field. Might not get the sack numbers, but we have to find a way to hit him.”

The ball will bounce your way
It’s important for a defense to maintain its aggressiveness. But it’s also important for a defense to trust itself and know that if they keep doing the right thing at the right time, the ball will eventually bounce the right way. It actually happened that way for the Vikings secondary in Soldier Field a couple weeks ago. Yes, Marshall kept finding ways to make plays even though AJ Jefferson, Josh Robinson and Antoine Winfield were constantly in the right place at the right time. Finally, though, the Vikings caught a break when one of Cutler’s passes to Marshall was tipped and wound up in the hands of Winfield.

The Vikings finished last season with a total of 64 passes defensed. This season through 12 games, they’ve already surpassed that total by 14 – they have 78 passes defensed heading into Sunday’s game. If the Vikings continue being sound in coverage, and especially if the Vikings can put pressure on Cutler while he’s in the pocket, the ball will bounce the Vikings way eventually.

Forcing fumbles
More than most other teams in the NFL, the Vikings have proven that the play isn’t over once an opposing runner breaks through the line of scrimmage or an opposing receiver secures a catch. The Vikings rank tied for 6th in the NFL with 27 forced fumbles and 3rd in the NFL with 23 fumble recoveries dating back to the start of the 2011 season. So even once Marshall hauls in a pass from Cutler, watch for Vikings DBs to try and strip the ball from the receiver as he’s trying to gain extra yardage.

 


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308 Responses to “A Closer Look: How To Slow Down Bears WR Brandon Marshall”

  1. By oldtimer on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Wobby….what is this business of forced fumbles dating back to the 2011 season?
    The team is different this year, and it’s “what have you done lately” that is important. The only people forcing fumbles will be Tillman and the bears. I hope I’m wrong but I have to be realistic.

  2. By purplehaze1 on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    they could put a blanket on all of them…we have the Flounder and the Statue…case closed…GO VIKES!!!

  3. By polarisrmk on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    time to loose out and pray for a top ten draft pick

  4. By xxVIKINGS4LIFExx on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Aj jefferson needs to make better plays on the ball last gm vs Chicago he was always around the ball but has yet to make a play!! Cutler is gonna pretty much force it to marshall we gotta make em pay whn he does

  5. By Percy harvin/Joe Webb Friend from Minnesota on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    We also have OTKalil and Shawan to tell us all the wisdom they have NOT

  6. By Jeffbleedspurple on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Does anyone one of our WR’s have 1/4 his talent that will be playing in this game?
    How did we end up with such a talentless crew.

  7. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Frazier is from Chicago…

    Jenkins is from Chicago…
    Aromashudo is from Chicago…
    Summers is from Chicago…
    Singletary is from Chicago…
    Berrian was from Chicago…It was like pulling Fraziers teeth to let that dude go ??

    How much talent has come from any of Frazier’s Chicago friends and buddy system ???…

  8. By linwood411 on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    What does Singletary do anyway?

  9. By David P on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    I have an idea of an offensive play that will work. Put both AP and Gerhart in the backfield and on play action, fake the handoff to gerhart, release AP into the seam and thow him the ball. Without Urlacher in the middle of the bears D this will be open at least once or twice during the game.

  10. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    linwood411

    Not really sure Singletary’s role is…It used to be assistant head coach starting out I believe ???…
    But then think it changed to LB coach ???…

    Not sure he does much of anything…But collect money, courtesy of Les Frazier and Zygi’s wallet…

  11. By northwoodsv2 on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Slow down Marshall? HAH. Not with Jefferson covering him.

    Did you SEE the last game? Marshall swatted Jefferson away like brushing away a pesky mosquito, and at least twice caught throws that were deflected and at the same time had Winfield wrapping up his arms.

    The guy has Spiderman hands and a QB that can put some velocity on the ball and actually lead a target.

    Minnesota is unwilling to spend any money on FA talent, so we end up with the Jeffersons, the Carlsons, and the Simpsons. You have to spend money to make money.

    And OTKalil is spot on with his Chicago Connection theory.

  12. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Frazier’s Chicago connection…

    Childress had the same problem collecting old Eagles war relics also…

  13. By Muskyfever on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Havbe jefferson play press covereage and right when Marshall releases kick him right in the nutz! That should slow him down some. and be the only way Jefferson will make a play on the ball. His effort is there, he comes close a lot. But close is not all the way there. Need him to be there and actually make that play he tries so hard to do

  14. By Muskyfever on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    have* not havbe

  15. By realvikings on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    When your defense can’t stop one player while double teaming him then you have a problem.
    Where is Karl Dunbar why did Frazier let him go we had the best D line under him and now look at how bad we look without him Frazier sucks how do you let Dunbar go but keep Musgrave.

    To stop Marshall you need to play press coverage on him all day force him to the outside. Then put a safety over top of him I recommend Harrison Smith just in case he get behind the corner Smith can put a big hit on him.

  16. By realvikings on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    @ Muskyfever

    That just made my day man it would be so funny if our DB would kick him in the nutz. Make sure its not a DB we need because he will get disqualified, the good thing is Marshall would be done to.

  17. By ryan on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    lay off wobschall, he is just doing his job, and he’s a viking fan too

  18. By T.allengovikes on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Who cares about their receivers, what about ours? We need one now! Can we get bowe? Let harvin go, we have wright, get big recieiver to stretch the field.

  19. By GrandDaddyPurp on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    PAY PERCY

  20. By T.allengovikes on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Percy has always been hurt. Wouldn’t it make sense to get rid of him for tall, speedster?

  21. By Mike B. on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Nice Point ryan. The defense needs to step it up this week against Marshall. We didn’t have an answer for him the last time we played them. He caught the b@ll all over the field on us. It also shows how bad our receivers truly are. Some of you have commented on the short game about nothing greater than 10 yards. Need I remind you this is the type of game that Frazier likes. He wants us to go methodically down the field taking lots of time off the clock with the short game. Ponder is the QB that fits Frazier’s type of offense. You will not see many plays that are 20 or more yards down the field. It’s not part of Frazier’s plan. This means we need to play from a lead. Our entire offense is set on a high percentage short game using the run first. It is up to the runner or receiver to break out and make a break out play.

  22. By T.allengovikes on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Don’t get me wrong, if we can have both that would be great!

  23. By Mike B. on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Percy is a dynamic player that can change a game, but he is not built to be the “go to” guy on every down. He needs a supporting #1 WR that can be that every down guy. He is hurt as we need to keep him on the field as the other WR are not performing to the level they should be doing. I would love to keep Percy, but realize he’s not going to be an every down type of player. He was hired to do KR/PR and wildcat plays and not an every down receiver.

  24. By Parkway on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Nothing really matters til we get rid of Ponder

  25. By Mike B. on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Parkway I think you are too early to throw Ponder under the bus. You can have that opinion, but I don’t think we have seen the best of Ponder yet. I think he can do the things Frazier and co ask him to do. Is he going to be a Culpepper/Moss type QB, No. I do think he fits into the methodic efficient QB to work a team down the field to a score. We just haven’t seen enough of it yet.

  26. By celticvikingwarrior on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Well it look’s and feel’s VERY MUCH as if Harvin is back to where he was in the off-season, WANTING OFF THE VIKES !!! AND WHO CAN BLAME HIM !!!!!!!!!!

    In my lifetime I don’t believe I’ve EVER BEEN MORE DISAPPOINTED, DISGUSTED, AND DISCOURAGED with the continual comments and excuses offered up by Frazier and Ponder……

    They BOTH CONTINUALLY throw out the same exact garbage and expect different result’s…..they have a saying for that type of thinking…….

    It’s as if they think a switch will automatically turn on at some point….OR as if Ponder can somehow learn the fundamentals, intangibles and consistency that have escaped him all his life….It just doesn’t happen like that. You are what you are, with the ability to improve on your existing foundation….

    If that foundation is NOT THERE to begin with all you are doing is building a VERY UNSTABLE house !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  27. By Muskyfever on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    I personally don’t think we have seen any of that from Ponder yet. Maybe one drive per game, but his only consistency is with the bad drives. He consistently make more bad plays than good ones. So when you say that he can get better. He has not shown me AT ALL that he can get better. he only has shown me that he can regress, not progress. I understand that QB’s are going to throw picks and make bad decisions (even the “elite” ones) but it seems that Ponder does this at least once per drive. SOmetimes he gets lucky and others, not so much.

    I just don’t have faith in him yet. He has only shown consistent bad QB play. Yet somehow he always has at least one INCREDIBLE throw per game. Something that I am not sure some of the best QBs can make.. But then two plays later he will WAY under throw a reciever, and two plays after that he throws an INT….. Just sayin

  28. By Parkway on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Ponder has 4 completions over 20 yards this year

  29. By Percy harvin/Joe Webb Friend from Minnesota on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Parkway. I believe that the Bears just may get rid of tha worthless joker. Either Chicago, Rams, Houston or Greenbay might lay the bricks to him. sure hope so.

  30. By Mike B. on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    I see us starting Ponder the rest of the season and staying with the plan at hand. That doesn’t mean Joe Webb may come in if Ponder is just blowing the game. Until that point Ponder is the guy. I don’t see him getting hurt and it’s a terrible fan to whish him hurt.

  31. By Parkway on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Stop me if you’ve heard this before.

    Chris Miller of the Star-Tribune says Christian Ponder sees his mistakes and promises to correct them.

    He said the so-bad-it-was-painful effort in the loss to the Packers was a “wake-up call.”

    Oh, wait, I’m sorry. What he said was:

    “It was kind of a wake-up call that obviously I need to be doing some stuff differently, and change my game and elevate my play.”

    What about 119 yards (36 before garbage time), a touchdown and two picks in a big divisional showdown makes you think it was “kind of” a wake-up call?

    In fact, what about the 11 interceptions since Week 4 makes you think that? Was the alarm not working? Did you hit the snooze button?

    Maybe he and Adrian Peterson should share a room, since they seem to be sleeping through alarms lately.

    It’s not the fact that Ponder spit out the same old cliche we hear from every struggling quarterback each week, be that Mark Sanchez, Kevin Kolb or pre-2011 Alex Smith.

    It’s that, despite saying some version of it every week, he’s not getting better.

  32. By Muskyfever on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    @ celticvikingwarrior

    I totally agree with you. After every game that we lose Ponder take the podium and says “obviously, I need to play better”. But then he comes out the next game and not only does he not play better, he plays WORSE!!!!! This is getting rediculous with what they say in their pressers. I too am getting sick of the same redundant answers that they give and yet nothing ever changes. Fraizer said this week that he is going to look into getting help at WR. Well Braylon Edwards was put on waivers from SEA and I have not even seen that mentioned on any vikings informational site/app. We all know we need one bad, but nothing changes.

    It’s like the boy that cried wolf. They say I need to do this, then nothing happens. I just don’t believe them anymore. They have shown me nothing that says they are going to change anything. So why do I even read/listen to the pressers. It’s all BS anyway. Fraizer says I would only consider pulling Ponder if he does something that may cost us the game… OK, like the last two weeks??? Is Ponder still playing??? YEP!!!!

    Why should we believe anything that they say??? I know I don’t. Hoiw bout the rest of you?? Do you believe what they say??

  33. By celticvikingwarrior on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    I see the vikes were rated the the #1 most “snake bitten” teams of all time (the most talented player’s w/o ever winning a Super Bowl)

    What continues to flash through my mind is that even if we had lost one more game last year to tie with Wash. and Indy, or two more to have the outright number one pick we STILL WOULD NOT HAVE PICKED EITHER LUCK OR GRIFFEN

    I don’t have ANY faith we will take a QB in this year’s draft either, unless it’s way late in the draft….I can hope for a “Brady” situation but will NOT be holding my breath…..

    I’m not sure there is a good enough QB to draft #1 anyway…..

    MAYBE we will play bad enough over the next TWO year’s to draft Johnny Manziel then…..however I’m SURE we’d draft someone else…..

    Man I HATE being so pessimistic ….

  34. By Troutdaddy on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    So, if Percy is now on IR, then why do we not bring in another receiver. There are at least a few bodies out there wanting to play and maybe we could cash in on it for a while? If Jefferson is going to be on Marshall, then we will not contain him. Sorry- but Jefferson is not getting it done with non-breakout players and with a guy like Marshall, he is going to get his lunch handed to him. Hey- how about we use Webb for a receiver so that AT LEAST HE GETS TO PLAY?!?!?!?!

    I know the media have been all over Ponder this week. I think the writing is on the wall now and if Frazier or Wilf or whoever it is that has put all of there eggs in Ponders basket doesn’t get a clue in the first half of this game about Ponders status as the QB for the future, then shame on them. Too many excuses about poor play and that he needs to step up. Duh! Why would you not sit the kid in the middle of the game and try something different to shake it up a bit? Sorry, we fans don’t get it, but if us and the media does then that should be a good indicator for the coaches, right? My sister is a really good therapist that would love to help these coaches out if they need help getting over the sitting of Ponder for at least a few downs. She would probably offer to do the sessions free just to not have to hear me during one of our games. (She is a Packer fan by the way…)

    Sorry, but i am just not happy about the idea to sacrifice another season to let a QB grow- ur, um if that is what you want to call it. Don’t get me wrong, growth is vital, but at what expence- Peterson? Harvin? That window is now and possibly for the next year or two, but Ponders growth is going to sink the ship unless it can be uprighted right this second. No more excuses. Put out or sit out. Love the Vikes, love the game. Still bleed purple. Nuf said…

  35. By Muskyfever on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    @ Celtic.. Honestly if we would ahve lost last year and had a shot at getting RGIII or Luck, They would ahve drafted either one. The organization irritates me sometimes, but I don’t think that they would have been that stupid and not drafted them. It is a “what if this happened” but it didn’t, so it doesn’t matter. However I believe with all of my being that they would have drafted one or the other. No franchise is that stupid to where they wouldn’t

  36. By GrandDaddyPurp on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    @T.allengovikes

    You cant forget what the all around package Percy brings to the field, and dont forget Adrian has been injured several times during his career. Did we get rid of him? Why cant we have a tall fast receiver and Percy?

  37. By Percy harvin/Joe Webb Friend from Minnesota on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Troutdaddy. What you just said is fact and the truth. Sink Ponder for the good of the Viking ship, now and for the future.

  38. By GrandDaddyPurp on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Chad Johnson? I have always liked him. I wouldn’t mind seeing us sign him.

  39. By Parkway on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    LOL:

    By Parkway on Sep 28, 2012 | Reply
    Mike I was going to post the same thing the other day but didn’t want to be a downer about Ponder basically throwing 3 INTs and getting lucky that they weren’t. Just how it goes I guess, hopefully he’s learning from it and continues to make better and better decisions.

  40. By Muskyfever on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    I think Percy is one of the best in the NFL. I really want the vikings to pay him BIG and have him stay here. But he needs to adjust his attitude a little bit. No one likes a cry baby. Is he the best overall weapon on our team?? YES!!! Should he get paid big bucks??? I think so… I just really hope that he stays here and learns a little from AP and becomes more of a team player.

    This is actually a topic I would like to ehar wobby’s take on. Do you think that Harvin is going to be a viking next year? Do you think we will trade him? Do you think we will pay him? I’m just curious to what you think since you are closer to the organization than anyone else.

  41. By Muskyfever on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    @ GDP.. yeah that would have been fine till he BEAT THE HE11 out of his wife… We don’t need people like that on this team. For all I care, I hope he never works in the NFL again.

    SOmeone who can do that is not only a joke on the field but a HUGE JOKE off the field. I hope he stays jobless

  42. By GrandDaddyPurp on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    @Muskyfever

    Chris Cook?

  43. By Parkway on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    By Parkway on Sep 17, 2012 | Reply
    @Dan, Utley
    Not getting down on Ponder since it’s not his fault, but it’s not that hard to have a high completion rate when the coaches only call p a s s es of 10 yards and under.

  44. By Muskyfever on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Chris Cook was aquited because the GF story didn’t add up. She even admited to the judge that some of the stuff she told the police at the time was untrue… Like the being choked thing… that never happened, according to sources

  45. By GrandDaddyPurp on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Chris Cook had gotten into trouble before that indecent as well. That was the first time Chad had gotten in legal trouble since being in the NFL. The guy deserves a second chance. We gave Cook a third chance did we not?

  46. By Muskyfever on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    @GDP..

    Also when you look at the bigger picture, before he was aquited, the vikings released him from the team… Because they, like myself, did not want that on our team… But, it was thrown out of court, so that is why they took him back.

  47. By GrandDaddyPurp on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    They did not release him the just sent him home for the rest of the season w/ pay.
    THEY PAYED THE GUY TO DO NOTHING.

  48. By GrandDaddyPurp on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Whether he beat his wife or not I know he would be an upgrade to our WR corps

  49. By Parkway on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    They should arrest Ponder cuz his play is CRIMINAL

  50. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    GDP…But they retained his contract rights by doing so…in case they wanted to trade him…

  51. By GrandDaddyPurp on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Regardless we are not going to sign Chad. We probably wont even sign a receiver.

  52. By GrandDaddyPurp on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    I think Spielman made it clear that he wants to build this team through the draft. In other words the “right way” to do it.

  53. By Muskyfever on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Character goes a long way in this sport… AP has the character this team needs… Chad Johnson does not fit that mold. He would want a lot of money to do close to nothing for four games… That is even saying Ponder can hit him on a deep route.. which he has not shown he can do up to this point. If the long pass to Wright down the middle of the field was under thrown. it would ahve been a TD if he hit him in stride, but he didn’t and it gave the DB time to react and make the tackle.

    I am sure that C. Johnson would upgrade the team.. But I just don’t want his character on this team. Just my opinion is all

  54. By Muskyfever on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    @ Parkway… agreed

  55. By Parkway on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Ha proof that I semi-supported Ponder to start the year, but he is just that terrible.

  56. By GrandDaddyPurp on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    I respect the opinion. That throw where he had Peterson wide open down the sideline, if you can call it a throw. There is no guarantee AD would have caught it but still Ponder didnt even give him a chance. That had to be the play that I fully gave up on Ponder.

  57. By Mike B. on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    I wonder how much you a pay a WR that has to have limited reps to keep him healthy. You obviously aren’t going to pay him the same as a WR that will be an every down guy and has the ability to get a TD at any moment. Percy is not an every down receiver and when we have tried to use him as an every down receiver ha has gotten hurt. So how much do you pay a dynamic player, but you have to limit his reps?

  58. By Ponder AKA 3 and out on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    well, if we lose the last 3 or 4 games, let’s just move quickly and find a different qb right away, quit wasting valuable time with squander Ponder

  59. By GrandDaddyPurp on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Mike B. Peterson is not an every down RB. Averaging less than 20 carries a game but he is the highest paid RB ever.

  60. By Mike B. on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    I am not sure you draft or get another QB as you have other holes to fill. I am not saying if we lose the rest of the games that Ponder is the automatic starter next, but we need to use our picks for other needs next year. WR, LG, RT, DT, MLB, CB are all needs on this team. I am thinking maybe you have an open competition for the three guys we have and fill other holes with the draft.

  61. By GrandDaddyPurp on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Percy is not an every down receiver. He is an every down football player. I dont even consider him a receiver. He is a top 3 return man and a top 15 running back.

  62. By purplehaze1 on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    i can’t see TO,Ocho Cinco or any other fleet of foot WR being picked up by the Vikes…they might just get separation a lot and have #7 try and lob the testicle down field; past the 5-10 yd comfort zone…that would be an utter disaster for the crowd at the Park…i wouldn’t mind seeing it though…GO VIKES!!!

  63. By Mike B. on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    GDP I am saying is that Brandon Marshall is in almost every play are you going to pay Percy as much as a Marshall or an top #1 WR. I am thinking you wouldn’t.

  64. By GrandDaddyPurp on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Best Player Available (BPA). Everyone did not seem to like it when I said this before last year’s draft.

  65. By Parkway on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Marshall also doesn’t return kicks nor does he do half of the things Harvin does. I believe Harvin could be every bit the deep threat Mike Wallace is but just doesn’t have the OC and especially the QB to let him be that.

  66. By Mike B. on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    I think we did get the BPA after Luck. Kalil is going to be around a long time. Blackmon would have been an option and a need,but our OL needed a critical piece.

  67. By Ponder AKA 3 and out on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Ryan Mallett would be available for a 2nd round pick. the position is the most important, even before a wr

  68. By GrandDaddyPurp on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Mike I am saying Percy does so many things that Marshall does not. We need to get a couple receivers in the draft so that Percy doesn’t have to be an every down player. Limit his snaps just as they are doing with AD this year so that come December and January we have our best players on the field healthy.

    You cant deny that just like AD, Percy is capable of scoring every time he touches the ball. I cant say that about Marshall.

  69. By Mike B. on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Ponder AKA there was no way we were going to pick up a WR in the second round this Draft.

  70. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    GDP…

    With E Griffen,C Ballard, D’Aundre Reed and several others on the team that are DE’s…

    Do you think J Allen might be trade bait this off season ???…Or might even consider asking for a trade ???…

  71. By Mike B. on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    oops I meant QB sorry

  72. By MuskyFever on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    I think that WR is more important than a QB especially in this years draft. There is not a strong draft class for QBs this year. Hopefully next year their will be depending on whre we end up at. But WR is CRITICAL!!!!

  73. By GrandDaddyPurp on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    I think if we were going to trade Allen we should have done it last off-season when he had the most value he will ever have. Too late now.

  74. By Mike B. on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    I agree GDP Percy is a remarkable player, but football is a business and at what point do you compensate a WR that’s not going to be an every down prototypical #1 WR. I am not saying he doesn’t deserve a good contract, but I don’t think he will get a Top 5 WR contract.

  75. By Ponder AKA 3 and out on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    if Frazier is gone, they will be going after a qb

  76. By Ponder AKA 3 and out on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    even if he isn’t gone, they will be looking for a qb

  77. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Musky…

    Scouts are always very critcal of QB’s this early in the draft process…Just wait until a month before the draft…2 QB’s will be listed high in the first round…And 2 QB’s will be listed late first to early second round range…

    Happens every year…

  78. By Parkway on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Glennon/Bray/Jones for QB

  79. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    I think they could still get a good draft pick though…

    And look at the payroll they could save on the cap space…

  80. By Troutdaddy on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    At this point I guess I was over-thinking about getting a receiver to replace Harvin right now because even if we did get someone like Ocho, Ponder wouldn’t get it to him anyways… Did any catch wright shaking hes head at Ponder when he did not throw it to him when he was wide open early last Sunday… Even the rookie gets it. I like him even more now. Oh well, I guess I need to just chill, watch the game on Sunday and let the chips fall where they may. Either way that is my job as a fan…

  81. By Ponder AKA 3 and out on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    we had a easy schedule this year, there should of been no reason to miss the playoffs, any other average qb could of took us there, we just happen to have a way below average qb

  82. By Parkway on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Agreed AKA with an average QB it was an 11-5 schedule for us.

    But we have superhero Ponder, his superhero powers are squandering leads when it seems almost impossible to be that terrible.

  83. By James on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    This organization is turning into a joke!!!! seriously, you have better issue at hands to deal with but you don’t focus on it!!! instead of focusing on ‘slowing down their WRS’ we should focus on ‘BENCHING PONDER’ notice I didn’t saw improving ponder because that’s all he have!!!

  84. By skolpurpleandgold on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    SIT PONDER, PLAY WEBB. Webb for the win

  85. By Ponder AKA 3 and out on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    WOBBLES JOB IS TO DISTRACT THE FANS INTO THINKING SOMETHING ELSE, HE THINKS THE AVERAGE FAN IS D UMB

  86. By vikingbob136 on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    The game of pro football moves a lot faster than the college game.Ponder is one of those QB’s that can’t handle the speed in which the defense plays at. Another example of other QB’s that can’t handle the speed are Jason Campbell and Mark Sanchez. I think its time to look at getting someone else in there after the season is done with.

  87. By vikingbob136 on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Oh, by the way, if we lose this weekend, our season is over.

  88. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Wobbles I take issue with your writing once again– both teams are in the playoff hunt? HUH? Bears are in the hunt to be the division winner and most likely are already in the playoffs — Vikes, uh, hum, err, not so sure.

  89. By MuskyFever on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Vikingbob… the season is already over.. We lost to the two teams taht are in the mix for the other wild card spot. Tampa and Seattle. Both have decent QB’s and unless we win out (doubtfull) we are not going ot have a chance. especially with Seattle beating the bears last week

  90. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    both are very much in the NFC playoff hunt– Wobbles blog just prior to this.

    Musky tells it like it is– Vikes have a minimal chance, not very much in the hunt.
    This writing in the articles is terrible— WOBBS – respect your audience. We are not stoopid. Musky should write these articles.

  91. By Ponder AKA 3 and out on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    There has been lots of Internet ink spilled on Christian Ponder’s engagement to ESPN sideline reporter Samantha Steele this week, but not nearly as much ink spilled on the egg that Ponder laid last week against the Packers. Though the 24-13 score might have made the game appear to be a bit one-sided, it really wasn’t. The Vikings could have won had a few bounces gone their way, and had Ponder played better. Ponder threw an ill-advised interception that cost the Vikings a valuable score, but subpar play has been a season-long issue. The Vikings are 32nd in the league in passing

  92. By Ponder AKA 3 and out on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    the Cleveland browns are one slot below us in the powerrankings, lol

  93. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    We did have that game– and at Lambeau. We were in it all along— and should have been up 21-10 which would have sealed it– but our QB play was nearly non-existant. I think Ponder can develop into a decent QB, but what I don’t understand is how the coaches can forfeit the season– I would have benched Ponder at the 4th quarter against Tampa Bay when momentum clearly swung our way– down by 14 with a whole quarter left– at home– our D mad– Allen was pumped. We easily would have 8 wins right now if the coaches thought about the team and not Ponder’s confidence– better to let him sit on the side a few weeks than have him cost the team every week–the current approach, I would argue, is worse for Ponder’s confidence- letting him lose week after week

  94. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Browns have a better OC than we do.

  95. By Troutdaddy on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Hmmm, Maybe this Samantha Steele is liike Jessica Simpson was to Tony Romo…I am not superstitious by any means but I can’t think of any other reason to explain why Ponder has imploded like he has.

    Any news about MBT? (Our third string) His name has never come up the last 6 games. Webb is the backup, but I think MBT has a better arm and mindset for the game. Thoughts?

  96. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    I have said it since preseason– MBT is our future– he is the best QB we have.

  97. By Ponder AKA 3 and out on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    i think so too, Ryan Mallett would be available for a trade also from New England

  98. By Mike B. on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    I think some of you are pulling the trigger too early on Ponder. Let’s give him the rest of the season see what he has. If the playoffs are out of reach what do we have to lose then. Let’s see how it goes.

  99. By Parkway on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Yeah tell me this guy couldn’t throw 5 yard p@sses and redzone INTs as well or better than Ponder…. Oh and he can throw 50 yards with a flick of the wrist. No reason to not at least give him a look with our playoff chances gone.

  100. By Mike B. on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    The rest of the team isn’t play playoff football,so why so focused on Ponder. It’s time to let this season play out and evaluate how everyone does across the team. There is no need to change now.

  101. By Parkway on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Yeah AP 200 yards last week he isn’t playing playoff football. Someone call him and tell him to step it up.

    There are actually a LOT of reasons to change now. We already see what we have in Ponder, which is nothing, the coaches think they know what they have in Webb, so put in MBT in real game action with our first stringers and see if there is potential there or not.

  102. By Tomcat on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Here is an interesting stat I just ran across-Cutler 2235 yards, 15 td,11 int.
    Ponder 2305 yards, 14 td, 11 int. Hard to believe,huh? Cutler did miss a game,howsomever.

  103. By Tomcat on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Looks like Carson Palmer will be available in offseason. Hmm.

  104. By MuskyFever on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    @ Mike B… “Why So focused on Ponder”

    Because the QB is what makes the team. Bad QB = little or no wins. Good QB = plenty of wins and playoff contention.

    I agree that Ponder should stay in the rest of the season.. If that is what it is going to take for people that support him to realize he is not a starter. What do we have to lose besides, respect from our locker room, fans and the rest of the games this season? Well besided those important things… I guess nothing???

    There is a reason that the QB position is one of the, if not the most important part of a football team. 9.9 times out of 10, the QB is the team leader. It is his responsibility to pull our team out of the dirt when we are there and his responsibility to keep us in the clouds when we are there as well. Ponder does none of what I just listed. As stated above even our Rookie Recievers (J. Wright) have issues with Ponder and his play, as he shakes his head after a blown read by our “fearless leader”.

    Just sayin…

  105. By Mike B. on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    I think Parkway that the coaching staff differs with your opinion. AP is just one player and the best in the League, but he can’t win games on his own as was shown last sunday. The defense made mistakes and Ponder made mistakes. So again we aren’t playing our best football and we still have a tough road game with the Texans. I think our playoff chances are not very good. I think we need to continue with the plan at hand and see if Ponder can turn it around. We are ahead of where experts thought we would be now, and that’s a good thing.

  106. By Mike B. on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    I didn’t say Ponder hasn’t made mistakes, but he is a young QB and is developing. The fans don’t dictate how respected or not the team is preceived. Many NFL commentators have great respect for Frazier. I think you see in the game frustration with poor play as not supporting Ponder, but out of the heat of the moment the team supports him. No one is wanting to throw Ponder under the bus other that some commentators and some fans.

  107. By Parkway on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Still think you are using terrible logic and drinking the koolaid a bit too much:

    Special teams: Solid
    Oline: Solid
    WR: Below Avg
    RB: Best in the league
    Defense: Solid
    QB: Worst in the league

    Hmmm what stands out here……

  108. By Mike B. on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    lol where did you pull that from
    OL is not solid for p@ss offense. good on run offense
    Defense (allows RB to get positive yardage) (issues Tackleing) (Makes costly Penalties) (terrible 3rd down rating)

    Is a realistic evaluation I think the koolaid drinking is on the other foot.

  109. By MuskyFever on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    @ tomcat. I see the stats, but remember that the stats are jaded. Ponder has four completions over 20 yrds this year. How many does cutler have???

    Ponder did not make those yards, they were given to him by Harvin who caught the rock 3 yards behind the line of scrimage and then Harvin ran for 40+. always gotta keep that in mind. Ponder does not hit long pass es. not only that but most of his yards are garbage yards that only come after we are losing by 10 and the D is playing prevent.

    So in conclusion, it seems as if Ponder is playing alright, when in reality that is not the case.

  110. By Tomcat on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Mike B. With ya all the way. We need to stay with Ponder at least until we`re out of it. Now if he is 2 for 15 with 2 int. in the 1st half against the Bears, then pull `im.

  111. By Parkway on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    The defense would be a lot better if Ponder had the ability to be on the field longer than 3 plays at a time, and the pass blocking is not that bad Ponder just makes it look terrible because he doesn’t know how to read a defense.

  112. By Parkway on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Let’s look at the playoff team New England:

    QB: Top 3 in the league
    Defense: 7th worst
    Oline: Solid
    Special Teams: Solid
    WR: Below Average
    RB: Solid

    Hmm I wonder why they are a playoff team……

  113. By Mike B. on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Parkway have you see the right side during p@sses Loadholt is horrible. Come On. Can you say Ole’

  114. By Tomcat on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Musky- I`m done defending Ponder after the last couple of weeks- I just was surprised at those stats. I still think Ponder is our best bet to beat the Bears. If he can`t get it together, then we almost have to go with Webb or MBT.

  115. By Parkway on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Our pass blocking is far from perfect, but look at what the Bears and Packers have for a line and they seem to be doing just fine. I wonder what the difference is?

  116. By purplehaze1 on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    AKA …the Brownies have Klink on their staff…makes perfect sense…GO VIKES!!!

  117. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Well if the Vikings, as a team…Want to give AP a shot at getting the rushing title that he so much deserves a chance at…

    They better win Sunday against the Bears…

    Because if the Vikings lose Sunday…And fall out of play off contention completely…There is no reason to run AP in the ground…Or put more wear and tear on Allen…Or several other players on the team with minor injuries…

    Young players should start to get evaluated if the Vikings lose…

    Players could be dropped, so the Vikings can raid other teams practice squads for the last 3 weeks of the season… So those players can be put on the active 53 man roster…(minimum 3 week period a player must have to taken from another team…Must be on the active 53 man roster a minimum of 3 weeks)…

    Many things could change if the Vikings lose this week…

  118. By Mike B. on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Vet QBs can work with a poor OL. Ponder is not a vet.

  119. By Parkway on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Just like we should have been doing last year OTK instead of getting our franchise RB injured so history tells us that Frazier will not play young players which is a terrible idea and does not benefit the team.

  120. By Mike B. on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    I agree OTK and there is no reason not start Ponder the rest of the season either.

  121. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Do you guys ever watch other teams play…

    Do you have any idea how many short pass plays Tom Brady throws of the 5 to 10 yard variety ???…Almost every pass…

    So now is Tom Brady a bad QB also…Because Wes Welker gets most of his yardage after the catch…Or his TE’s ???…

  122. By Mike B. on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    not to start Ponder that is.

  123. By Parkway on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Mike wins the award, ultimate Ponder Apologist.

    Your reward: Major disappointment

  124. By MuskyFever on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    @ tomcat, I do agree with you on that

  125. By MuskyFever on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    I think that any QB that can hand the rock to AP is good enough to beat the bears. but we will see.. Just don’t let him throw and we will be fine

  126. By Mike B. on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    I am not apologizing for Ponder’s play just stating that there is at this point no reason to change. We keep status quo and eval at the end of the season as a team. It make sense from how the team is doing as a whole. IMO.

  127. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    We know what Ponder can do (to a point)…

    I think Webb should be played if games do not matter anymore…And even give MBT the last game against the Packers…

    Gerhart should carry at least half the carries…If the season is over…etc…

  128. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Anyone at the game Sunday– here is the chant for the day– PULL PONDER, HEY HEY, PULL PONDER PP, PP, CLAP CLAP– MBT MBT, YAY YAY!

  129. By MuskyFever on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    @ OTK Tom brady… LOL, We all know for a FACT that he can hit any reciever, any time, any where on the field, he has proved that with four Super bowls and a constant playoff contender, regardless of the rest of the team.. Can’t even come close to comparing the two…

  130. By Parkway on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Look at that screen pass!!! In stride!

    Let’s give him 25 starts and blame every other thing other than his play if he plays poorly.

  131. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Anyone wanting to see more of Ponder, ponder this: Had the coaches made changes after two games of his horrible play, we would very much be in the playoff hunt right now— contrary to the c.ra.p. fed to us on this site– the last blog said we are very much in the hunt– I don’t know who Wobbles thinks he is writing to– most of us are well aware of how tiny our chances. So play MBT — let him get the practice with four games– my bet is by the last game of the season he will be looking very good.

  132. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    And I am the most optimistic and supportive blogger there is– I also am a winner– and when you are off course, you have to steer and make changes!

  133. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Brady uses the same type of game plan…I am not comparing QB’s…

    Brady would rather throw the short pass and have his receivers run after the catch…Because it allows for higher completion percentages…

    NE plays to move the chains…The short game…

    That is why Musgrave and Frazier planned Harvin “exactly” for those types of pass plays…NOT because that was all Ponder can throw…It is the best way to bring him along as a young QB….Especially with a player like Harvin…

  134. By Parkway on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    So brady is a young QB who must be spoon fed short p@sses for high completion?

  135. By Shawn on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    WOW its getting deep …

    Parkway … Vikings WRs are not better than NE … thats ridiculous

    NE

    Wes Welker – Only Percy compares as a slot WR except Wes doesnt miss games

    Wes doesnt yell at the coach demand trades miss weeks of practice

    Brandon Lloyd – we have nothing close. this guy had 1400yards and a probowl with Kyle Orton throwing him the ball in 2010

    Wes Welker ….. Percy Harvin
    Gronkowski …. Rudolph
    Brandon Lloyd …. ????

    Aaron Hernandez … John Carlson

    Michael Jenkins best season …. 777 yards (Matt Ryan)
    Brandon Lloyd best season ….. 1448(Kyle Orton)

    Vikings have top 5 worst WR corps in the NFL … without Percy we have the worst

  136. By Parkway on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Shawn- Pretty sure I never said MN’s are better than NE, said they were both below average. According to all apologists on here, if a team does not have a big #1 receiver, then their receivers are terrible. So NE must be terrible because all they have are TE and a poor man’s Percy Harvin in Welker.

  137. By Parkway on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Oh and Welker has 50 fewer YAC on 30 MORE receptions. So another comparison that holds very little to zero weight.

  138. By Parkway on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Furthermore, Hernandez has been out most of the season, Gronk is now out, Edelman is now out, and yet they are winning games… hmmmm. What could possibly be the difference….

  139. By Shawn on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Welker is not a poor mans Percy …. at the WR position Welker is equal to Percy.

    Percy does other thing that Welker does not … KR and RB

    Other wise Welker and Percy are 1 and 2 in the league at the slot position

  140. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Shawn…Nice write up…

    _____

    Ponder is making some mistakes…Mechanics are getting sloppy late in the year…etc…

    But the O-line is better than last year…And should get better…

    And hope we get some WR help in this springs draft…And just let Carlson go…And take the cap space hit…

  141. By Mike B. on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    I diaagree with you Titus we are at the point the season is done for us. The team as a whole is not playing playoff type football. Our record reflects it. It’s not just about Ponder’s play, but the team play as well. We have made improvements from last year, but not enough. I think changes if needed should come during the offseason and not now. We need to continue to evaluate Ponder and evaluate those players that haven’t proven themselves that the coaching staff wants to keep on the team. Once it is a certainty we are no longer in the hunt then we rest the Vets like Allen and AP.

  142. By Bluebird7 on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Titus

    I like your idea of Muskyfever writing the Vikings Blog. Couple of others,

    You, OTK2012, several others that are close. I enjoy the back and forth.

    Some very good posts by all of you. And no syrup like Wobschall.

  143. By Parkway on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

  144. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    By Mike B. on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply
    I diaagree with you Titus we are at the point the season is done for us. The team as a whole is not playing playoff type football

    Mike– do you read what I post? I said we have no chance for the playoffs as Mike Wobschall said we were very much in it– read before you respond.

  145. By Shawn on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    On top of Brady being one of the best QBs … he has 2 weapons better than what Vikings have

    Brandon Lloyd and Wes Welker.

    Percy is hurt and we have nothing besides Percy at the WR position …

  146. By Bluebird7 on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Shawn and Parkway are Honorable Mentions as well.

  147. By Shawn on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Im not defending Ponder just making sure its understood we have NOTHING at the WR position …. NOTHING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  148. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Bluebird I write and teach college-level writing for the majority of my income (although I am a firm believer in multiple streams of income, so that is not my only avenue). So, maybe that is why I am so harsh on Wobbles?

  149. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    My early best guess on what position the Vikings will take in the first round in this springs draft is LB…

    My prediction is Alec Ogletree ILB…Georgia…

    This might change 100 times….But this is my first guess early…

  150. By Shawn on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Someone posted a MBT hate to say “highlight” video … I didnt make it all the way through because I saw no accuracy

    but what did I see?????

    Burton drop a pass lol

  151. By Parkway on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Here’s what he has when we were a game away from the superbowl Shawn:

    87 Bernard Berrian
    12 Percy Harvin
    11 Jaymar Johnson
    17 Greg Lewis
    82 Darius Reynaud
    18 Sidney Rice

    Harvin was only a rookie, and we didn’t have Rudolph. Hmm what was the difference between 2009 and this year……. Can’t put my finger on it…..

  152. By Mike B. on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Titus I wasn’t responding to that post. I was make a statement on where we should go for the rest of the season to evaluate Ponder and other players to find what we need during the off season. If Ponder is questionable then during next years OTA have a 3 way competition for starting QB. I don’t think with the draft class coming we are going to become better drafting a QB. I think we shold look at other parts to pick up this coming year.

  153. By Ponder AKA 3 and out on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    who said Ponder was going to be aroud at next years OTA’S? i see him getting cut at the end of the season

  154. By Parkway on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    The MBT video wasn’t a highlight video it was every pass he threw vs the Texans, and though he wasn’t accurate on some throws, can you honestly say he looked any worse than Ponder AND he was playing with 3rd stringers AND it was his 2nd preseason start.

    Yes Ponder is as bad or worse than a 3rd string QB with 0 experience.

  155. By Shawn on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    O you mean 2009 when Cindy Rice stayed healthy and made the pro bowl?

    you also forgot Shiancoe …. who also made the pro bowl that season

    Percy of course

    and Hate to say it but Berrian is as good as … Michael Jenkins, Aroma

  156. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Well, again, Mike where do you disagree with me? I said let’s put MBT in to see what he has– that is competition– besides, we know what we have with Ponder and we have an idea with Webb. I am confused with what you are disagreeing — it seems we are more on the same page.

  157. By Ponder AKA 3 and out on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    even Fran T. said he needs to go

  158. By Mike B. on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Ponder Aka you are assuming too much. Ponder will be part of the mix next year unless you are predicting Frazier is gone at the end of the year. Otherwise it is just continued whining.

  159. By Parkway on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    I wonder why Rice made the probowl…. hmmm.. who was throwing to him again? Oh a HOF QB.

    Shadu and Jenkins and Wright are much better than Berrian Renaud and Lewis. Not even close

  160. By Shawn on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    When Sidney Rice is Healthy he is a very good possibly top 10 WR … again when he is healthy

    He was Healthy in 2009 … Parkway you make ridiculous comparisons

    Shiancoe was a good TE

  161. By Ponder AKA 3 and out on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Farve made Sank and Rice pro bowl material, a good qb makes players around him better

  162. By Parkway on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

  163. By Shawn on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Rice made the pro bowl because he played a full season …

    and yes Favre was better than Ponder … It doesnt change the fact Rice is a top 10 WR when healthy

  164. By Mike B. on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    I am saying we should stick with Ponder the rest of the season at least him starting the game and evaluate him for the entire season. I am not saying not to bring in Webb or MBT in when he is having problems. I am saying we stick with the plan at hand for these last four games. That’s where we differ. I think Ponder may end up working out in the long run. It’s not like we have that much to lose now does it.

  165. By Ponder AKA 3 and out on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    continued whining? how about continued losing

  166. By Mike B. on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    I think that maybe something you may want to accept with this team is to hope for the best and expect that we may lose. We just aren’t that good right now. It is not all on Ponder either.

  167. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Lets remember…If the Vikings do “lose” this Sunday…

    “Anybody”… on this team could get the ax…And it won’t be Ponder…

    But who is saying one of the extra QB’s…

    Webb or MBT might not be let go ???…To make room on the 53 man active roster…

    Any player not in the teams plans for next season…Could be released…

  168. By Ponder AKA 3 and out on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    the Vikings NEVER had 4 losing seasons in a row. Ponder would break the record

  169. By Shawn on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Shiancoe

    2009 with Favre …. 56 catches … 566 yards … 11 TDs

    2008 with TJack … 42 catches … 596 yards … 7 TDs

    Shiancoe was a good TE

    OK i got to get on with my day Parkway you are ridiculous

  170. By Mike B. on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    I have been plesantly suprised this year. I figured we would have our 4th or 5th win by now is all. They are much better than I saw it.

  171. By SoCalVike on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Congrats on your engagement Mr. Ponder,now get yourself a nice wet sloppy pre-game BJ and get out there and sling that rock around or you are going to be booed right out of the stadium!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  172. By Parkway on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Rice 2008 with Tjack: 15 catches for 141 yards over 7 games, wow that’s probowl material

    Shawn you make ridiculous statements

  173. By Ponder AKA 3 and out on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Ponder doesn’t know how to sling, he knows how to LOBB

  174. By MuskyFever on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    I enjoy journalism… I do also run a website, oh which We post information about outdoor activities like Fishing and Hunting…

    I don’t think the Vikings would pay me to be brutally honest about what I think. Maybe if we combined our thoughts between all of the “normal” or constant posters.. I think we could get a good blog going. Lots of different opinions to be shared.

    But I will say that this blog, has one of the better back and forths I have seen up till now…

    SKOL VIKINGS BLOGGERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  175. By Shawn on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Parkway lies again … Rice only had 3 starts in 2008

    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RiceSi01.htm

  176. By Parkway on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Wes Welker no brady: 67 receptions 687 yards in 06
    Wes Welker with brady: 112 receptions 1175 in 07

    But yeah QB has nothing to do with it shawn you are right. Get that sh*t out of here

  177. By Parkway on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    By Shawn on Dec 2, 2012 | Reply
    Ponder should be cut after right now … Im done.
    Parkway and ponder aka3,000,000,000 IQ …. YOU WIN !!!!
    I will not defend Ponder this week

    Ah that’s refreshing

  178. By Ponder AKA 3 and out on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Shawn, if Ponder plays next year and continues to lose games, will you be on here defending him again? lol your funny

  179. By Shawn on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Show me where Im defending Ponder …. I am not … but you act like QB is the only position on the team

  180. By Ponder AKA 3 and out on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    honestly, Ponder makes Ryan Leaf look like a pro bowl qb

  181. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Finally Harvin speaks….But really doesn’t say much…

    Something doesn’t seem right ???…: /

    http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_22139044/vikings-percy-harvin-it-certainly-is-disappointingt all…

  182. By viking181164 on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    shawn lets get ral out here..the qbing position is bar non the biggest on any team…

  183. By Shawn on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    good WRs make QBs look better

    good QBs make WRs look better

    Football is a team sport and a good player at any position makes the team look better … same as a weak link makes the team look worse

    2011 weakness

    OT – fixed
    OG
    WR – got worse … Jenkins was better last year
    DT
    ILB
    CB – improved … When Cook plays its fixed the problem is he doesnt
    S – fixed

    Ponder I gave a bye last season due to being a rookie on a bad team. He hasnt gotten better.

    However with Ponder still not being good and still having nobody besides Harvin the Vikings are 3 wins better with 4 weeks to play

  184. By Troutdaddy on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    @ Mike B and Tomcat- The reason that people are so vocal about Ponder is that in his “Development Period” we expect a QB to get better. He has slid backwards and literally cost the team scoring opportunities that could have given us 2-3 more wins this season. The fact that the coaches still believe in him says something to us all, but the fact that most fans are impatient for this growth to occur is also a very valid point. Even the media and NFL experts are saying things like sit Ponder (for a time) or allow someone else to give it a shot during the game when Ponder is off. We woud all love Ponder to be “The Guy” but I for one am impatient and I would rather see the coaches do something rather than do nothing and preach patience.

  185. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    You are right OT– not much from Harvin- more in the blog postings under that article than from Percy.

  186. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    How could Tarkenton change his tune 200 degrees in such a short time? His opinion changes faster than the temperature on a Minnesota November evening.

  187. By viking181164 on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    other qbs look at photos and throw ball on the sidelines..its like ponder is content with this so are the coaching staff..get used to this viking fans big trouble brewing here…

  188. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    A few weeks back Fran was adamant that Ponder is the real deal– he was so sure– so very sure. Now, he says we need to take a hard look if he can really play the position.

  189. By viking181164 on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    if teams ever shut down pete we would have nothing..

  190. By Troutdaddy on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    This is a rebuilding year, but it turned out to be bigger than we expected. Some things were supposed to be fixed and they were not. Put a struggling QB into that mix and you get fan chaos. As fans we say it is time to act because if not now, then when? Next year? Really? You want to wait and see what Webb or MBT can do next Pre-season? This is not my idea of working to fix the problem. If we are going to be out of the playoff hunt, (and we pretty much are- especially if we do not win this week) then why not get a look at people now and prepare for next year NOW. We do not want to be doing the same plan next year trying on a QB to see if he fits. Just a thought…

  191. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Once the season is over ( if the Vikings do lose all chances to be in the playoffs with a loss Sunday)….

    Anything could happen ???…

    In all reality…Preparing for the 2013 season already begins…

    Players could be released…Maybe even the head coach and staff…If Spielman so wishes…And is prepared to make that move ???…

    Or maybe the Vikings will find themselves still in a playoff hunt ???…

    So hold on to your hats fans, win or lose this Sunday !!…

  192. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    troutdaddy– a wise staff would try MBT on now, wouldn’t ya thing?

  193. By Troutdaddy on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Hey- why not just get a veteran QB to come in. Ponder can learn some more form them and continue to grow… Maybe Culpepper would come out of retirement….

  194. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Frazier needs to spend a few months after the season with Tony Dungy and craft a strategy.

  195. By Parkway on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    We will probably just get one of our other starters hurt by trying to win meaningless games.

  196. By Troutdaddy on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    @ Titus- I would love to see MBT and how he handles the offense and WR’s we have. Webb would even be good to see come in and maybe add the “Run Factor” like RG3. At this point we just want change and not the same scheme.

  197. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    I think Spielman starts telling Frazier who to play for evaluation…(after) the season is lost…

    Love that the “triangle of authority” is a thing of the past !!!….

  198. By Troutdaddy on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Frazier needs to take a course on motivation and get Dungy and Billick to come and knowck some sense into him…

  199. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Yeah, I am starting to agree with some of the criticisms of Frazier’s attitude– he carries himself with a dejected, oh, well, we will try harder next time, but we did everything we knew how, oh, but the guys really worked hard, oh, and that one play didn’t go as I thought, and that changed the dynamics, but oh, we were close and I gotta love the effort— UGH!

  200. By Spencer on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    This wouldn’t even be an article if Cook was still healthy.

  201. By Troutdaddy on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Hey- I heard that Hussein Bolt (sp?) can catch a football. He is tall, fastest man alive… Maybe we could give him a 4 game contract to see he can be a WR…. We MUST have something to replace Harvin for the last 4 games. Hoping that our coaches can fill this hole somehow…

  202. By Troutdaddy on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Spencer, Cook again? Really? HE IS NOT PLAYING. I know you are day-dreaming but leave it alone man. Quit rubbing it in… :)

  203. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_22139783/vikings-chris-cook-back-at-practice-might-play

  204. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_22139533/minnesota-vikings-other-than-percy-harvin-wide-receivers

  205. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Harvin ???…The plot thickens !!!…

    http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/blogs/182434641.html

  206. By vikingbob136 on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    @ OTK That article on our WR’s is very depressing.And sad!
    Another loss this weekend and i am ready for baseball.

  207. By Nicholas on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    What a great defensive mind we have in Leslie Frazier…a former Bears Superbowl champion!

    Leslie Frazier for DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR (Demote from within)…let him do what he does best!

    Christian Ponder’s time to shine certainly isn’t now. Christian Ponder for BACKUP QB!

    PROVEN Leader for HEAD COACH!

    Percy Harvin….I don’t even know what exactly is going on with him anymore! ‘

    Regardless of what Tarkenton says about Musgrave….REPLACE Musgrave!

    WRs, OG, MLB, DT, CB are a few areas we could work on. (RT and QB are, too!)

    Spielman, save us!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  208. By Spencer on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    By Troutdaddy on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply
    Spencer, Cook again? Really? HE IS NOT PLAYING. I know you are day-dreaming but leave it alone man. Quit rubbing it in… :)
    ————————————————————————————-

    I miss him :(

  209. By Spencer on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Haha but seriously though I think we can contain Marshall, AJ Jefferson just has to be able to break on the ball. Hes due for an interception very soon.

  210. By Nicholas on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Opinion Poll: Is Jon Gruden a good NFL coach(why or why not), and with that, would you like to see him coaching the Vikings?

  211. By vikingbob136 on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    @ Nick
    Harvin probably needed surgery but someone might have said that his injury might heal itself.Now that it isn’t healing, they don’t want him to do further damage.
    Purely speculation on my part.
    A guy like Harvin wants to play no matter what.He’s a true competitor.

  212. By Nicholas on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    vikingbob,

    You’re probably right. A lot of the media speculation has really confused the h3ll out of me!

  213. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Gruden conspiracy theory…

    Why did Gruden go visit the Raiders (rumor only of course) recently ???…

    Was it to have a another team interested in his services offer him more money ???…(outside of Oakland)…

    Of course Gruden later denied any rumors such a meeting took place…. ; )

    If so…Which team in the NFL might be interested in Gruden ???…

  214. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    By vikingbob136 on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    @ OTK That article on our WR’s is very depressing.And sad!
    Another loss this weekend and i am ready for baseball.
    ______________

    Yeah…That article was depressing…: (

  215. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    I like Chucky !!!…He is animated and charged with energy…

    And he catches your attention as a head coach…I think players buy into what he is selling also…

    I like a coach that gets fired up !!!…; )

  216. By Ponder AKA 3 and out on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    the Vikings are 32nd in pass offense, d ead last. have we ever been last in pass offense in the Vikings 52 year old history?

  217. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Chucky as head coach…Jason Garrett as Offensive coordinator = Super Bowl !!

  218. By Ponder AKA 3 and out on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    i have never seen a starting qb as bad as Ponder. heck, even backups playing for injured qb’s look much beeter than Ponder, it goes deeper, charlie Batch is 3rd string and looks much better than Ponder!

  219. By 32frank12 on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    I think Harvin will not be in purple and gold next September…..very sad to see it happen :(…I was a big Harvin fan

  220. By GrandDaddyPurp on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    The Vikings are 32nd in pass offense. What does that tell me? It tells me without Percy the entire passing game is terrible. That means the QB, the OLine’s pass protection, AND the receivers. Its not just Pond, its the ENTIRE passing game.

  221. By Ponder AKA 3 and out on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Gruden would be a excellent coach, but will he come to mn?

  222. By vikingbob136 on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Got to agree with you 32frank. Something is rotten in Denmark.(and in Minn)
    He is under contract till next year but i have a bad feeling too.

  223. By GrandDaddyPurp on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Hey Gruden do you want to coach the best RB in the league? Play action for days? that should be enough to get him to coach here.

  224. By vikingbob136 on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Gruden runs MNF with no stress.Why would he want the aggravation of a head coach.

  225. By Ponder AKA 3 and out on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Harvin is pulling the same thing Rice did

  226. By 32frank12 on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Gonna be a very sad when Harvin leaves use…just hoping it happens while under contract and trade him for multiple high round draft picks…very sad in minny :( gonna miss you PH!!

  227. By 32frank12 on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    us*

  228. By GrandDaddyPurp on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Its Spielman’s job to not look at it in terms of this season, but down the road. Judging by how he handled last year’s draft, If he keeps that up this team will be great for years.

  229. By GrandDaddyPurp on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    If we are not going to bring Percy back we must re-sign him only to trade him to move up high in the draft.

  230. By CaribooBill on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Question: With Harvin out (really sorry to hear that) what should the Vikings do?
    - sign a free agent;
    - move someone from practice squad; or
    - what else is there?

  231. By MuskyFever on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Yeah, If Harvin leaves, it will be sad. My wife will not be happy. He is her favorite player in the whole NFL. So that sucks. But I still have some hope that he may stay. I think it all really depends on if we make him an offer, and if so, how much?? if they offer him a large chunk I think he would probably stay. However, there is a lot of speculation going around right now. Only in the offseason will we discover his fate.

  232. By Ponder AKA 3 and out on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    the Vikings would have to bring in a good qb before he stays

  233. By Mike B on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    AT this point Bill I think probably pull someone from the practice squad and evaluate them. I think the time to get another Free Agent has passed.

  234. By Mike B on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Ponder Aka you don’t know Jack and you’re a big whiner

  235. By GrandDaddyPurp on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    agree with Mike B.

  236. By GrandDaddyPurp on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    on bringing someone up from the practice squad.

  237. By CaribooBill on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Can’t they also scour other teams’ practice squads?

  238. By GrandDaddyPurp on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    They could also make a QB change but that doesnt mean they will.

  239. By Ponder AKA 3 and out on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    they already moved Wright from the practice squad. i think the coaches know the playoff picture come and went, so they won’t do any more

  240. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Good question Bill…

    Here are some of the Vikings options for Harvins spot on the 53 man roster…

    1. Promote a player from the practice squad…Any position they want…

    2. Steal a player from another teams practice squad…But that player has to be placed on the “active 53 man roster” for at least 3 weeks…That is why 3 weeks left in the season is needed( minimum) to take players from another teams practice squad…

    3. Leave the position open for one week…While considering a player squad steal from another team….Seeing as there is 4 weeks left in the season…

    4. You can’t make any trades with another team yet during this season…(trade deadline is long past over)…But you can sign a free agent sitting at home on the coach…Not recommended though…They are sitting home on the coach for a reason…

  241. By Ponder AKA 3 and out on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    moved Wright from inactive, they could save cap money and do nothing also since the seasons over

  242. By GrandDaddyPurp on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Well its official. I have dropped Percy from my fantasy team :(

  243. By GrandDaddyPurp on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Just picked up Wright

  244. By Immure on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    http://espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/story/_/id/8720790/chad-greenway-minnesota-vikings-wants-metrodome-fans-super-duper-drunk

  245. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Spielman does not need to extend a contract with Harvin to get draft picks for him…

    An interested team has to offer a deal to the Vikings…Before they can try and work a contract offer with Harvin…

    If this does happen…Do not expect it to be public knowledge by any means…

    All offers will be behind closed doors…And kepted “hush hush”…

    Fans will not know anything is happening…Until its over…
    (if it happens at all) ???…

  246. By Tomcat on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    I doubt if Percy leaves.

  247. By Nicholas on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    I like Chucky, too. I think the biggest road block with him is that his offensive system is really complex…and it takes time for people to learn it.

    Although he did inherit Tony Dungy’s team when he took over in Tampa to win the SB…I’d still say he’s produced some great teams as head coach in the past. His worst record while in Oakland was 8-8, and then 12-4, 10-6. He did have one 4-12 season with Tampa, but then his tenure with Tampa was ascending with 2x 9-7 seasons after his 4-12 season (2006-2008). He was fired after his last winning 9-7 season.

    Also, keep in mind, it was his Oakland Raiders team that he’d been with for 4 seasons that he defeated as the Buc’s coach in 2002.

    I like Gruden. Come on down to MN!!

  248. By Parkway on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    I read that earlier today Immure, translation “we know our QB is really bad, so if you are drunk at last you will boo him off the field”

  249. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    http://www.twincities.com/vikings/ci_22141287/charley-walters-vikings-backup-qb-joe-webb-says

  250. By Fonder on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    as long as we have ponder, we are in trouble.

  251. By Parkway on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Webb translation: “I can throw 5 yard p@sses too”

  252. By Tomcat on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    I saw on B/R Peterson was ranked #7 running back of all time.

  253. By vikes- or - die on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Are we going to win the game this week? Oh ya baby. We are going to run the ball down their throats and open up the passing game. Sack Cutler 5 times with 2 picks. Sounds good to me.

  254. By realviking on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Chris Cook returned to practice today, sounds good but i got this feeling that the Vikings are rushing players back from injury like they tried to do with Harvin.

  255. By GrandDaddyPurp on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1410733-5-vikings-players-with-insanely-bright-futures/page/6

    “Vikings rookie cornerback Josh Robinson has only scratched the surface of how good he can be in the NFL.

    Robinson is getting more playing time than he probably figured on heading into his first season, but with Chris Cook breaking his arm, Robinson is getting valuable reps that will serve him well moving forward.

    Robinson hasn’t had the immediate impact that Packers rookie Casey Hayward, picked four spots ahead of Robinson, has had, but his long-term potential is still just as high.

    Robinson has world-class speed, which will only help him in the passing game, but he’s been much better than expected in the run game, showing both a willingness and an ability to throw his body into the fray against the run.

    Robinson is a very muscular 5’10″, 200 pounds and his 37 tackles rank him seventh on the team. Robinson has one interception and made a nice 24-yard return before going down to preserve possession late in the game.

    The Vikings were historically bad against the pass in 2011, and adding a burner with athletic ability was a natural fit for Minnesota. Robinson is a tough kid with extremely high character. He’s endeared himself to teammates from the get go as a humble kid who’s willing to jump in and do all of the extra things required of rookies.

    Look for Robinson to also get involved in the return game at some point. His lethal speed and good hands make him a natural for it.

    Bigger, brighter days are ahead for Josh Robinson.”

    Sorry Spencer but dont let your love for Chris Cook blind you from how good J-Rob can be for us.

  256. By Parkway on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    I’ve wondered why we haven’t put him as a punt returner since he is the fastest guy on the team and sherels hasn’t really wow’ed anyone doing so. I’ve also wondered why we don’t send him on some CB blitzes with his speed (oh that’s right we play as boring of a defense as we can)

  257. By GrandDaddyPurp on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    “showing both a willingness and an ability to throw his body into the fray against the run.”

    Cant say that about Cook. The point of the Cover 2 scheme is to keep everything in front of you. Dont blame J-Rob for playing off receivers and giving them the slant route when thats what the coaches ask him to do. J-Rob will be better than Cookj.

  258. By GrandDaddyPurp on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    “J-Rob is a scrub”

    Those of you who have said this know who you are.

  259. By GrandDaddyPurp on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    PAY PERCY. PAY PERCY. PAY PERCY. PAY PERCY. PAY PERCY. PAY PERCY. PAY PERCY. PAY PERCY. PAY PERCY. PAY PERCY. PAY PERCY. PAY PERCY.

    NEW COACHING STAFF! NEW COACHING STAFF! NEW COACHING STAFF! NEW COACHING STAFF! NEW COACHING STAFF! NEW COACHING STAFF! NEW COACHING STAFF! NEW COACHING STAFF! NEW COACHING STAFF! NEW COACHING STAFF! NEW COACHING STAFF! NEW COACHING STAFF! NEW COACHING STAFF! NEW COACHING STAFF! NEW COACHING STAFF! NEW COACHING STAFF!NEW COACHING STAFF!NEW COACHING STAFF!

  260. By robb on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    What kind of draft pick did the Vikings give up for Jefferson?

  261. By liito on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    1. These news articles are to deflect from Ponder, right?
    2. Are the remaining games like pre-season games evaluation, a hope for a playoff spot, or a positioning for the draft?
    3. Besides Peterson, Rudolph, Allen, Chadway, Kalil, Williams, Winfield, Smith, etc; are there other players in the roster who want to shine in the remaining games?

  262. By Ponder AKA 3 and out on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    if i hear Frazier say, “Ponder is our man now and in the future, i’m going to puke”. Frazier knows nothing about offense and pushed to get Ponder in the draft

  263. By GrandDaddyPurp on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    He actually wanted to trade back and pick up Pond later but no team wanted to trade up.

  264. By Ponder AKA 3 and out on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    if Ponder plays, they will be for evaluation, since he won’t put the team in the position to win

  265. By GrandDaddyPurp on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    They went with need over BPA which i have stressed in the past is how we should draft.

  266. By Spencer on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    By GrandDaddyPurp on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply
    Sorry Spencer but dont let your love for Chris Cook blind you from how good J-Rob can be for us.
    ————————————————————————————

    Seriously, Josh Robinson just isnt that special. He gives up slant routes and underneath stuff every single game. You would think a guy with 4.29/40 speed would be able to break on the ball. But he just hasn’t done that at all.

  267. By Spencer on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    J-Rob is pretty much just a faster Asher Allen.

    Asher Allen was actually pretty decent Nickle Corner, he was just horrific when he had to play outside. Personally I believe J-Rob will thrive in the slot because he cant handle these big WR’s.

  268. By Ponder AKA 3 and out on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    another outstanding game for Manning, what a leader, and acts like a coach on the sidelines when the Denver Defense is on the field

  269. By Spencer on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Please Frazier, show this to the team this week.

  270. By Shawn on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Im glad Chris Cook is making it back. Proud of him.

  271. By Shawn on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Im starting to believe Percy is injured … I believed it … then I didnt … now I kind of do.

  272. By Ponder AKA 3 and out on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    hopefully Harvin haves a better different-better qb throwing to him next year for the vikings

  273. By GrandDaddyPurp on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    The point of the Cover 2 scheme is to keep everything in front of you. Dont blame J-Rob for playing off receivers and giving them the slant routes when thats what the coaches ask him to do. J-Rob will be better than Cook.

  274. By Ponder AKA 3 and out on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    i’m sure there is talk in the locker room behind closed doors about Ponder

  275. By GrandDaddyPurp on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    I havent seen J-Rob give up a big play like Cook did….

  276. By GrandDaddyPurp on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    “Losing Harvin would force the Vikings to pick up at least two, if not three, players to replace his contributions. If the replacements were supposed to play at a level even close to that of Harvin, it might even be more cost effective to simply resign Percy. Even if he got $8 million a year, it might represent a savings over trying to fill his role with three guys who make $3 million a year and contribute less.”

  277. By GrandDaddyPurp on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Spencer doesnt like the idea of someone taking Cook’s title of “best corner on the team”

  278. By Shawn on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Still something doesnt smell right about the Harvin “injury” … when is the last time a guy went on IR and it took 3 weeks to sort of know what the injury is. We still dont know exactly whats wrong.

    Peterson … we knew almost everything the day after and we knew everything 2 days later.

    Cook … we knew the day after

    Greg Childs we knew the day after

    Percy we still dont really know … a sprained ankle that is taking longer than 3 weeks to heal … and a coach that “doesnt want to talk about the injury”

  279. By GrandDaddyPurp on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Even though Winfield has had that title ever since we signed him.

  280. By Shawn on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    ok now i dont believe it again …

  281. By GrandDaddyPurp on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Frazier is mad because Percy yelled at him.

  282. By Shawn on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Sherels is a good return man …

  283. By GrandDaddyPurp on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    It seems like J-Rob has started more games this year than Cook has his entire career.

  284. By GrandDaddyPurp on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    sorry not started, played in more games.

  285. By GrandDaddyPurp on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Cook is nothing special. With the help of a Safety behind him it appears that he shuts down receivers but it is not all Cook. He is non existent in the run game. He is not consistent when it comes to staying healthy and being on the field every week.

  286. By GrandDaddyPurp on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    I like Sherels as a punt returner. He doesnt make mistakes and turn the ball over. Thats all i look for.

  287. By GrandDaddyPurp on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    And come draft time Spielman better not be too dependent on Child’s returning for us next year. The guy has had a history of getting injured. Dont let him be the reason you dont draft a WR that you maybe should.

  288. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Harrison is our best new player.

  289. By vikes- or - die on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    We have to run the BALL. And Then RUN the ball mixed with the short passing game to open up the “0″. Thats our strenght. So Guess what. Let them try and contend with that. On Defense. Blitz. We have safties now. What Up?

  290. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Titus has a bold prediction– just came to him.

  291. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Vikings will win their remaining games.

  292. By vikes- or - die on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Oh, and by the way we do not have Peyton Manning. We have a rookie learning his stripes. So our “D” can not continue to be left on an Island. Let them play ball.

  293. By Purple Rain on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply

    Ponder again – same story…

  294. By Dueyz on Dec 7, 2012 | Reply

    Adrian Peterson is the best running back that ever put cleats against turf.The arguement may be debated now, but in 15 years, after his Gold jacket, when the experts weigh in their opinions, he’ll be in the top 3 all time to even the sceptics. It’s an honour witnessing it; it’s a bigger honour watching him do it with Vikings horns on his head. Add to that the character of a decent human being and a humble person. History in the making.

  295. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 7, 2012 | Reply

    Kalil (imo) is the best rookie coming in this season…
    And he will only get better and better !!!…

    And Kalil is not a player who will just be happy with being good…He is a total competitor…And will work to achieve elite status and still try and improve….

    Kalil will be a HUGE leader for this O-line in the future…

    I am not saying the rest of the draft wasn’t good….This last spring draft is going to be viewed as one of the best in Vikings history…

    Spielman has struck gold in the last draft…If he does well again this coming spring ???…This team is going to be competing at a high level for years to come…

  296. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 7, 2012 | Reply

    Shawn…

    That is one of the reasons I am not buying, what Frazier is trying to sell….

    Why is Frazier trying so hard not to describe Harvins foot injury ???

    Is it because outside of broken bones (which there was none)…Doctors might analyze there is nothing bad enough with the injury Harvin has…To put him on season ending IR…After already being out a month already ???…

    Reasons I think a trade “might” happen…

    1. Percy is petulant…To much attitude off the field…

    2. Injury prone…Yes..He has earned that title…

    3. Contract coming up…Is Percy worth paying top 5 receiver money and a long contract extension..After listing plenty of reason above not too ???…

    4. Wright looks to be a solid “slot receiver” option going forward…Do the Vikings want to spend big money on Percy…How much desire do the Vikings have to keep 2 players at that position ???…

    5. Sherels is a solid (not great) kick off return man…J Rob is fast…Really fast..And might be used in kick off return duty also next season… Could J Rob replace Harvin for those duties ???…

    6. Vikings could get VERY high draft pick compensation trading Harvin…I would not doubt at all…The Vikings could get 2 number one draft picks trading Harvin…Or close to that…At “minimum” a first and a second round pick in this coming draft…

    When I add all these reason together..I am not sure at all Percy will return to Minny….Or even after whats happened…Percy wants too ??

    Thoughts ???…

  297. By Mike B. on Dec 7, 2012 | Reply

    There is a movement among NFL owners and coaches not to deal with prima-donna type players. Players that are becoming disrupted to the team are more likely shown the door. I am not saying that this is the case with Harvin, but if he is that kind of player. He will be shown the door. I am hoping that’s not the case, but I put that out there as a possibility. These players are paid large salaries and clause on behavior are also part of those contracts. If you are not being a team player, you should be shown the door no matter how great you play the game. IMO.

  298. By 61Vikings on Dec 7, 2012 | Reply

    Coach Frazier is 2-10 against the NFC North!! His only wins are the two against the Lions this year!! If you want to remain the coach of our Vikes, you MUST win the games within your division!!! The only way we make the playoffs is if we win out and that means coach Frazier and his staff has to beat the Bears and the Packers!!!! We can beat the Rams in St. Louis, its the Texans that will be tough, however I don’t believe we’ve ever lost to the Texans!!! For this all to happen though, C. Ponder is going to have to play out of his mind, and quite frankly, we haven’t seen that yet!!!!

  299. By realviking on Dec 7, 2012 | Reply

    I am against Harvins attitude but I believe that these players act like this because they never had a vocal leader without attitude.

    I liked when we got Favre but honestly I blame him. Thus guy was great but he showed or players that they don’t have to listen to the coach. How many times did Favre disagree with Childress and did what he want.

    When you have young guys looking up to these players who are the leaders is they had a negative attitude then the young guys will have that same attitude when he becomes a leader.

    Look at the Rams they went out and got Finnegen who has always been a trash talker, dirty player and now the whole defense plays like him.

    If you bring a virus to your team and let it run the team then everyone will be viruses.

    The Vikings don’t have a true leader these players were drafted and handed leadership roles for there position they didn’t have a positive outspoken vet to look up to that’s why they don’t have a clue what a leader is suppose to do.

  300. By 61Vikings on Dec 7, 2012 | Reply

    @Mike B
    Percy just wants to win, period!! He’s just voicing his opinion just like you are on here!! He’s frustrated and he wants to win!! Give me more Percy Harvins’ and Adrian Petersons’ on my team any day of the week!!! The Minnesota Vikings will never win a championship without passionate people on their team, period!!!

  301. By realviking on Dec 7, 2012 | Reply

    If the Vikings trade Harvin the only message they would be sending is they don’t want to win. For all that then they should’ve traded everybody instead of firing chilly.

    Honestly I would take a break from this team and spend more time with the family because this is the worst I’ve ever seen our organization. Sometimes I ask myself why am I spending money to be disappointed.

  302. By 61Vikings on Dec 7, 2012 | Reply

    Randy Moss was the same way, very outspoken and did some things that made us cringe!! The difference here is the coach, one being able to control his players (Dennis Green) who knew how to delegate other players to mentor guys like Moss, see Cris Carter!! Percy doesn’t have that veteran presence on this team and coach Fraziers’ personality being stoic just doesn’t work for a guy like Percy!!!

  303. By realviking on Dec 7, 2012 | Reply

    Every team rebuilds but smart teams know how to rebuild.

    When the Packers lost Favre they was rebuilding but it didn’t even seem like it because they knew what they were doing.

    Colts lose Manning they are also rebuilding but i can’t tell.

    The list goes on I’ve watched the patriots rebuild but still remained a great team. The peoples running the Vikings don’t know how to rebuild.

    A plan to rebuild through the draft only Errol take to long because there are to many positions to fill and rookies aren’t proven at this level. Smart teams rebuild through the draft, and free agency but the Vikings aren’t interested in spending money on young proven players.

    Honestly when a team draft players, the 1st and 2nd rounder will get on the field rather they suck or not, 3rd round picks have potential to one day start our get play time. After that the other rounds are basically fighting for a roster spot so if were gonna sit around and wait for the draft then we have a long way to go.

  304. By realviking on Dec 7, 2012 | Reply

    Our rookie picks will be in a bad position because they’re coming to a team without leaders lets say we draft a guard who will he have to teach him theropes playing guard on the NFL.
    When we drafted Sullivan he had Matt Birk who was great as a mentor.
    We draft Loadholt and he’s a starter before he even signs the contract.
    Lets say we draft is receiver what very will he have as a mentor. Harvin is still trying to learn the game and Jenkins was never successful.

    We drafted J Rob and he has Winfield here to help him get through the learning curve.

    AP was ranked amongst the greatest backs to play this game but he still had a good back as his mentor.

  305. By jcdogg on Dec 7, 2012 | Reply

    Fellow fans–commit this to memory…it is always darkest before the dawn. It may take some time, it will take some work and it will take some patience, but in the end you fans will be rewarded with what you desire the most…The Lombardi Trophy…..I have faith in this staff..team, our QB and ownership that they will put team on the field that will give us a reason to have pride in Minnesota Pro Sports. Again, all long term franchise QB’s take time to develop and they make the same mistakes over and over again early in their careers, but the learn in time and then their careers take off. Someone said earlier in this blog, you see great throws from Ponder in all his drives, but then he makes a mistake, that says he has talent but needs to refine his decision making at this level. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but ultimately it is not our decision. Our decision is to support our team or not….and I will support them no matter their decisions. I am a Viking Fan and will be for life……

  306. By jcdogg on Dec 7, 2012 | Reply

    realviking—-a team with no leaders?????? What about AP, Sully, Kalil, Smith, Allen, B-Rob, Greenway……need I say more. I think you point is that we don’t have a QB that shows that killer attitude that the Vet QBs have….but understand…that is developing as well. So I think it is not really an accurate picture of the team. Even the coach staff has vastly improved with the addition of Williams. Every aspect of this team is growing and developing, but it is not going to happen overnight.

  307. By max on Dec 7, 2012 | Reply

    stop complaning at least we got an NFL team.(not that i like what ponders doin right now aka he kinda SUCKS!!!, but anyway deal with it.

  308. By Dueyz on Dec 9, 2012 | Reply

    I don’t like being a bandwagon person, but….I have to take issue with this “Give him more time” mentality. Been hearing it for years from our fans. It has become nails on a chalkboard for me. I understand certain things take time for developing. And I don’t subscribe to the “I need instant results or I call for heads to roll” mentality. But how much do you need to see? Some people will run a bad idea into the ground at the expense of prudent conclusions. I don’t like hearing our fans do it, but I’m more concerned that our organization does it. Sometimes there are simply no better alternatives, I understand. But this team HAS to stop making decisions this way. We seem to have a laundry list of excuses waiting for our failing projects, and it is SORRY to witness as a die-hard fan. No one wants to invest in an idea and fall short, and this sport is filled with pridefull people. The time has come for a warden to step into our organization and disrupt the “Give him more time” way of doing business.

    Fans who suggest a change are accused of not having purple pride. That’s like saying I have no pride in my car because I want to change my flat tire. I DON’T need to give my flat tire “more time”.

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