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Not Much Changes In Vikings Playoff Picture

Posted by Mike Wobschall on November 26, 2012 – 7:56 am

The bad news is the Vikings fell another game behind the division lead thanks to their loss to the Chicago Bears on Sunday. With that loss, the Vikings now sit at 6-5, and with their win the Bears jump to 8-3. A two-game lead with five to play is nice for Chicago, but it’s not comfortable. Three of their remaining games are against division opponents, including a December 9 game at Mall of America Field. The Vikings pre-season goal of winning the NFC North is still attainable, and there’s no reason their sights should be focused on anything else.

If the Vikings are unable to catch the Bears and capture the NFC North title, they’ll hope to fall back on a Wild Card berth. And that’s where the good news comes in. The Vikings lost a game this week, but they did not lose any ground in the Wild Card race. Green Bay, New Orleans, Seattle and Tampa Bay all lost on Sunday as well. Of those teams, only Green Bay (7-4) has more wins than the Vikings. The Vikings do lose the three-way tie-breaker, but there is plenty of time to overcome that with five more games on the dockett.

There’s a lot to breakdown when looking at the NFC playoff picture, but the bottom line is the Vikings must focus on winning their next game. And that next game is against a division rival and another team battling for playoff positioning – the Green Bay Packers.


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122 Responses to “Not Much Changes In Vikings Playoff Picture”

  1. By vikingfanforlife on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    Mike I appreciate your optimism, but if we can not win on the road we have no chance. Unless we can convince the NFL that we want to play all of our remaining games at home. Concentrate on wining one road game, forget about the playoffs for now.

  2. By Spencer on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    Last year everybody was ripping me for saying we should trade Jared Allen, now look at the guy. Hes completely washed up. Did he even get a single pressure?

    Its time to rotate Griffen in more as a DE, and not a DT.

  3. By Ponder aka 3 and out on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    we will end up at 6-10 unless the Texans play their 2nd string, than we will win that game and end up at 7-9

  4. By Parkway on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    Spencer I had said the same thing last year about Allen, and any of our 30+ players really that we could get something for, since by the time we are ready to compete for anything they will be out of their prime and they will not contribute to the team.

  5. By Spencer on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    You said the same thing? I dont recall you ever saying that. I stood alone.

  6. By HCG. on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    Hahaha Spence. We will be gooder faster if we draft D’squario L’Carpetron Jr.

  7. By Parkway on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    I’ll browse the old blogs to find it but I said it and got the same reactions. But I swear if we take a DE or DT in the first round I will lose it…

  8. By Muskyfever on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    C’mon guys. was I the only one who watched the Packer game last night. Their Oline is worse than ours, their D line is worse then ours. Their D is not even in the same class as the bears. what makes you think that they can or even deserve to win any more games. THey got absolutley Stommped.

    Personally I don’t care if we lose every game from start to finsh, except when we play the Fudge Packers if we win those. Those two are all i need to be happy.

  9. By realviking on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    Lets be honest our season is over so please Frazier do not make the same mistake you made last year. Use the remaining games to see who stays and who goes and that includes Ponder you can’t crown someone who never earned it. I swear if we have a chance to draft Matt Barkley or Geno Smith and we pass them I’ll be at training camp calling for Frazier and Spielmans head. Were not going to beat the Packers twice we haven’t beat those guys since Favre first season the Bucs win the tie breaker over us so its time to prepare for the offseason i give up this Vikings team just don’t give me the same winning feeling as the previous teams before the chilly and Frazier era.

  10. By VA Vike Fan on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    Typical Vikings mindset..let’s hope the other team messes up so we can have a chance. I don’t care who lost and who won this week. We needed to take advantage of the opportunity in front of us and beat the bears. Instead, we didn’t even compete, just bent over and took it! smh

  11. By VA Vike Fan on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    @musky Everybody thought the same thing about the bears coming off of that horrible loss Monday night…and look what happened

  12. By Parkway on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    realviking is right whether you want to admit it or not.

  13. By realviking on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    Draft a real franchise quarterback in the 1st round
    A true deep threat in the second round theirs a few guts who’s stocks dropped based on school records
    Draft a middle linebacker or a run stopping defensive tackle because Brinkley and Guion are not the answer
    Trade Jared Allen while you can and use it on a tackle because Loadholt is more worried about cheesesteaks then playing football
    Cut Carlson because he basically robbed us the guy sucks
    Sign Harvin if he still wants to play for us anymore
    Fire Frazier, fire Musgrave, fire Allen Williams, fire Singletary, get rid of Tampa two coverage.
    Hire a proven head coach who won’t hand pick his starters without letting them compete
    And trade Gerhart give him a chance to go be successful somewhere else.

  14. By Ponder aka 3 and out on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    yes, draft a real qb, than demote Ponder to 3rd string and give him a big paycut

  15. By Parkway on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    The problem is that Spielman will give Ponder one more year unless he completely embarra sses himself the rest of the season (possible). Another problem, is that the 2013 QB draft class is extremely weak and I wouldn’t be too excited about drafting any of the projected 1st or 2nd round QBs as they stand right now.

    So all we can hope for is to improve our line and give Ponder a few big WR to throw to and give him 0 excuses next year.

  16. By realviking on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    Those same Packers beat on a team who just made us look like complete garbage, those same Packers have an elite quarterback who can actually carry his team unlike us. And please don’t tell me you think our defense can do what the Giants did because we proved we couldn’t against the bears. And the packers defense sucks but they forced more turnovers then ours, their coach makes our coach look even more like the idiot he is.

  17. By realviking on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    The draft class is weak at the quarterback position but who knows maybe we can find what the Seahawks, Bangles, and 49ers found in the second we can use part of next season to watch Ponder prove he’s not who they thought he was then let the rookie quarterback come in and give us some hope moving forward. I don’t think any free agents would be interested in playing for us unless we overpay then because everyone wants to win now not five years from now.

  18. By Frederick Jones on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    @HCG,

    Thanks for the skit “Dictator to Dictator!”

  19. By Frederick Jones on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    Jones has limited football knowledge, and doesn’t understand why the Vikings took out Peterson on third and fourth down late in the first half.

    Will someone please educate Freddie’s ignoramus mind on why we didn’t have Adrian Peterson in on these key plays inside the 20 yard line with less than 2 minutes to play in the first half?

    Is it possible that Peterson could not gain 2 yards in 2 attempts at that point in the ball game?

    This boggles the JoneDogg mind!

    Please explain what was going on in the minds and hearts of Vikings offensive coaches at that moment in our history?

  20. By Parkway on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    Exactly Fred. Could we compile a top ten Musgrave WTF moments? Though it may be hard to narrow it down with so many to choose from .

  21. By johnr008 on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    Lets take a long look, Ponder looked great against the 49ers, however he is progressively getting worst. Its either him or the coach. When the QB plays good, the defense plays good. It seems the whole team centers around Ponders day. The coach is a whimp, this is professional sports, bad day bench him. Coach needs to wake him up to perform or get rid of him. realviking is right, play offs. Take a re-look at the Coors comerical, play offs, did you say play offs. Better have a couple of Coors and come down to reality.

  22. By VIKES 52 on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    If we want to get into the playoffs we have to stop worrying about teams keying on the run. Obviously we are going to give Adrian the rock, but 7 carries in the first half and we expect to be in contention. The games we have won this year we have pounded Peterson and wore down the D giving ponder room to make completions. We tried to throw too much early, why we lost. With the Draft, we need to give Ponder a legit weapon. The vikings need a big wide out who can stretch the field. Percy is probably the most versatile slot receiver in the NFL but can be keyed on while stopping the run since we throw it too him close to the line of scrimmage. Since we will be in contention for the playoffs I think we should ship picks for a young proven wide out like Dwayne Bowe.

  23. By Kleitarxos on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    Give Ponder a little credit not all great quarterbacks were immediate answers when they started. Draft a DT, draft another CB, consider beefing the OL and picking up a new TE to replace our overpriced Carlson project. Everything else that Ponder needs and we need to be successful is already on the team.

    Oh and btw. WTF is Simpson doing? Nothing? That’s nice. I’d like to see us use Wright in the offense more. Kid is a stud as a rookie. Simpson is inconsistent at best. We need consistent players week in and week out. Harvin, Wright, and Jenkins are playing like they want to be here. Simpson is playing like he’s sleep walking every week.

    Big bodied WR are over rated. Harvin proved it, Wright’s been proving it. If we dont have a big body that can be consistent then play the consistent players and let them do what they do best. Consistency and Discipline are whats going to get us to the playoffs. This is Moneyball stop paying big bucks for big bodies and use what we have creatively. We already have the talent to be a successful playoff caliber offense. Frasier and Musgrave just need to use what we have effectively when Harvin is injured.

  24. By OTKalil2012 on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    Fred…

    I know AP can get 2 yards…But why is everyone mad about a 3rd down call that worked…Wright was wide open in the end zone…Ponder put it right on him…Wright had his only drop of the day on that play…Bad timing, yes…Bad play calling by Musgrave, no…

    There were bad plays all over the field yesterday…Time to move on…Things look murky going into Lambeau field also…

  25. By Parkway on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    Late throw by Ponder

  26. By OTKalil2012 on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    Vikings have to stay away from “free agents”….The only two players that have worked out is Allen and Favre…And Allen cost us a ton of money and even more draft picks to acquire…

    Build through the draft…We need WR help the most…But there are other ares that need young blood also…DT,LB,OT,G,P,etc…

    9 picks coming this spring…Use them well Spielman and staff…

  27. By realviking on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    Why is it that when the Vikings fall behind and can’t run anymore they always lose? If Peterson can’t carry the team they can’t win if Harvin can’t make a miracle happen we lose. Why can’t Ponder throw an accurate screen pass, or hit an open target? How many reads is ponder told to go through or is it first read if he’s not open bail. I remember we use to blame our offensive line when t.jack was here because he couldn’t hit open targets we thought he want getting enough time in the pocket got rid of Matt Birk because we thought he was washed up. Then we said the OC want creative enough with the play calling bit benched t.jack and watched Freerot play ok back their suddenly everyone realized we were only a quarterback away from the big picture we brought in Favre and he made our line look great i think McKinney and Hutchinson made Probowl that year Sidney Rice hit the 1000 mark made the probowl Harvin made the probowl Shank had 8 or more td’s. That year Favre dared opposing defenses to stack the box and yes he got hit a lot but he made them pay for it. Will we ever get to see a great quarterback who can carry our team again?

  28. By Spencer on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    There is a point in every nfl game that a wr,te or a rb is left wide open at some point and a qb can find him and complete a pass for a big gain. Why does that never happen for us? :( :( :( :( :( :(

  29. By realviking on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    Are you talking about the lob where Wright had to jump to make the catch and the defender pushed him out while he was in the air because if you are than that wasn’t a good throw every quarterback would tell you that you have to throw a bullet in that situation give the receiver a chance

  30. By Doug Swanson on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    I want to know why the coaches on this team can’t come up with something to give life to the team!!
    There is no imagination!!! And do you think you could keep up with cutler and Marshal with fieldgoals
    (without Harvin)
    (1 of which was blocked) Hey coach you got the best back in the league and you can’t come up with
    2 yard run when it is critical?????
    The viking defense against the run was shameful!!!!—maybe its time for a real rebuild instead of
    a pathc job!!!!! And how about this bad call against the vikes in the endazone( Bear pushed off!!!)
    What is beign done about that!!!! I say when there is a play that bad in a game the players should
    get up and leave as a portest and refuse to play !!! It is typical of what is going on in America today
    (Nobody can do their friggin job from the politicans to the ditch digger) Yesterdays game was a
    disgrace—Hey Peterson isn’t a 100 milion enough to hang on to the ball—!!! What a joke of a football
    team!!!!
    The Vikings are just sorry!!!! And the refs today are just ridiculous!!!!! I think I will stop following this
    football team——LOSERS!!!!!!!!

  31. By Ponder aka 3 and out on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    if they don’t do something with the qb situation soon, the Vikings will lose alot of fans. wake up Spielman!!!!!!!!!!!!

  32. By realviking on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    @Spence

    That’s because we have a project quarterback who haven’t developed pocket awareness yet. Maybe next year he’ll be able to find the open guys and stop forcing it to guys who are covered. Frazier did say this project will take time who knows how long it will take.

  33. By purplehaze1 on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    SFA (like it always does at moments like that) was going through their heads . after seeing that yesterday; i thnk if any of them had a half a clue…they’d be a treat to national security all over North America…GO VIKES!!!

  34. By Muskyfever on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    @Kleitarxos

    Big bodied wide recievers are NEEDED for one purpose and one purpose only… JUMP BA LL!!!!!! jump ba lls in the endzone are being utaliized more and more in the NFL today. Andre Johnson was one of the first “big bodied” WR. We do need one. If just for that purpose. But endzone jump ba lls are soooooo important to score on these short Dbacks in this day and age.

    I see what your saying. But don’t expect Harvin to jump to the ba lls highest point against a corner 6″ taller than him. he is fast, strong and agile. Tall? he is not.

  35. By Muskyfever on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    Really wobby????????? I can’t say ba ll?????? Do I ahve to say rock everytime? is that changeable? I don’t think that B@lls iqualifies as a word unable to be said. I think you should change that

  36. By Muskyfever on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    @ Spencer This is what you said

    “There is a point in every nfl game that a wr,te or a rb is left wide open at some point and a qb can find him and complete a pass for a big gain. Why does that never happen for us?”

    This happened about 7 times yesterday where recievers were WIDE F***ING OPEN and Ponder missed them. Why doesn’t this happen to us? because we don’t have a QB capable of recognizing it… or if he does recognize it, he overshoots

  37. By Parkway on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    I think that was his point

  38. By Muskyfever on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    if they don’t do something with the qb situation soon, the Vikings will lose alot of fans. wake up Spielman!!!!!!!!!!!!

    @ Ponder aka 3 and out… ONly fair whether fans would leave. I know I am not one of those. I may be peed off but i am not going to abandon my team… C’mon bro that’s weak

  39. By GrandDaddyPurp on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    Trade for Philip Rivers!

    Get rid of Micheal Jenkins, Devin Shudo, John Carlson, Charlie Johnson, Ponder, AND THE ENTIRE COACHING STAFF.

    Its time to start Everson Griffen and rotate Jared Allen in.

  40. By OTKalil2012 on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    Blame whoever or whatever you want…

    But one thing “mystifies” me since the Vikings have built that domed stadium….

    How can a team look sooooooooooo completely HORRIBLE playing a grass fields !!!!…

    Have we even won a game on a grass fields since the metro dump has been built ???…Anybody bored…And want to check the records…I bet that stat is staggering…

  41. By Dank on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    If 49ers can bench a QB who took them to 6-2 why can’t we at least try Joe Webb when we are 6-5. There is no way we can be successful if we don’t take risks.

    We are wasting Joe Webb’s life by keeping him as a QB Back up. At least Trade that guy so he can sleep well

  42. By Matthias on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    Greenbay lost! With a win next week, we are even! Still a chance for the playoff
    s !

  43. By GrandDaddyPurp on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    At least our head coach isn’t Jim Schwartz.

  44. By Carl K on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    Get Webb in the game!

  45. By Muskyfever on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    @GrandDaddyPurp “At least our head coach isn’t Jim Schwartz.”

    Amen brother…………… amen

  46. By realviking on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    I’m a Vikings fan until the end I been one for so long I wouldn’t know how to stop rooting for them. My only problem is this new look Vikings they don’t strike me as winners. We won 3 games last year and even if we only won 4 this year it seems as if coaches and fans would be satisfied and that’s not Vikings football we once dominated the nfc north and now were the door mat. I’m only satisfied with playoffs, superbowls or anything over 500 other them that you failed. While we rebuild to contend which we can’t now, other teams are only getting stronger and harder to compete against. And who are we rebuilding around because i don’t have the answer. If you give me and team right now who is rebuilding I can give you the player their rebuilding around if they have one but i can’t do that for us.

  47. By Muskyfever on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    Realviking… AP is who we are re-building around.. And if it is not, then we are really f***ed because he is the only thing we SHOULD be building around

  48. By Bob on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    I just don’t understand why Ponder threw the ball 43 times!! I have hope that he will still develop… but why does Mr. Peterson only gets 18 carries?!? How do we not hand him the ball at least 25-30 times. He should have at least 10 carries in the first quarter.

  49. By realviking on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    @Muskyfever… I use to think AP was the player we were rebuilding around but when 17 touches become normal for your rb then he must not be the guy. And we all know what the time span for a running back to dominate in the NFL is. AP is 27 turning 28 on march I think he’ll soon realize our team is not built to win now and want out same goes for Harvin.

  50. By hippster on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    this team like our country needs leadership

  51. By OTKalil2012 on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    How much did Simpson lose by not playing that game…After getting hurt jumpimg over that cheerleaders head…65,000 ???…

    How about hitting Simpson in the wallet again, sit him the rest with Shudo and Jenkins for poor play….And play all the young players at WR…

  52. By Matthias on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    Harvin we need you! Greg Jennings is back… At least woodson and matthews are out…

  53. By Mike B. on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    What a bunch of fair weather fans you all are. This loss is not on Ponder and Wobby was right this is a team loss. The entire team fell down against the Bears including the coaching staff. I have not given up on Ponder yet as he is still learning. I do think we have some holes we need to fill and it’s not the QB position. I think we need to go find that #1 WR like a Brandon Marshall. I was amazed on how well he played yesterday. He was the single reason for about half of those 3rd down conversions. We need a guy like that on our team and we just don’t have that guy. We need a RT and a LG as I don’t feel our starters at those positons are playing well enough to keep. We need another Pat Williams on the D Line as we just aren’t getting enough pressure with our rotation group. I don’t think we have the replacement for EJ at the Middle LB position. We need to find that person to lead the defense. I think the owners need to revisit the CBA and get more time to practice tackling techniques. Our secondary needs a lot of work on tackling. Even Greenway had issues yesterday. The one thing I am sure we don’t need right now is a RB or QB. I say give Ponder the rest of the season and then get evaluated. Is it possible we don’t win another game this season? It’s possible but we are already exceeding most NFL experts predictions. I take that as a positive.

  54. By Matthias on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    A.D. is still rehabbing… I simply dont know what people are expecting.

  55. By realviking on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    @OTK…. You forgot to put butter finger Burton on that list I still can’t believe Frazier actually had that guy activated more then Wright.

  56. By Norman on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    1st round Xavier Rhodes CB #27

    2nd rounds Cassius Marsh DT #99

    3rd Shayne Skov ILB #11

    4th Aaron Dobson WR #3

  57. By realviking on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    @Mike B…. I can live with you saying we don’t need another rb because we have the best in the league but what exactly did Ponder do to make you say we don’t need a qb to. You could’ve said LT or TE but you choose qb why?

  58. By OTKalil2012 on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    There is one thing a Vikingsfan knows now though…Wright can play !!!…

    And when Harvin come back…Wright and Harvin together, along with Rudolf…Will make some noise on the field of play…

    But why did it take sooooo long to get Wright out on the field ???…Because Jenkins,Shudo,Burton and even Simpson…Are CLOWNS !!!…

    Can Summers be a hidden gem ???…No reason not to find out…imo

  59. By BlueBird7 on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    Play action yesterday

    Forte ambles over to our defensive line.”Excuse me boys, but I have an appoinment with Marshall at the goal post.” “I need to get through.”

    At which time the red carpet is put down.” Thanks, Boys, see you next time”

    J. Cutler had time in the backfield to pick some weeds out of Soldier Field lawn, while waiting for his recievers to walk open.

    Time and time again Cutler would stroll around back there waiting for some cheerleaders to join him for some dances.

    Chris Klluwe is right on with his punting. He has inproved from kicking 20 yds to
    21 yards. Hall of Famer!!! Give him the Game bal-l, Frazier!!

    Twin coaches of the year! Frazier/Mustgrave.

    Since Joe Webb is not going to be used for anything this year trade him to Chicago. They need a good backup QB to Cutler. Mike Tice knows how to use him.

  60. By OTKalil2012 on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    As well as Wright is playing…Makes a fan wonder how well Childs could have helped out the team ???…If he didn’t get injured…

  61. By OTKalil2012 on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    And how can officials have a play reviewed…

    CONFIRM that the play reviewed was in fact a TD…Then overturn that confirmation ruling ???…

    huh…????….

  62. By YouAllNeedtoReWatchTheGame on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    Ok

  63. By Old School on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    IF’S AND BUTT’S WERE CANDY AND NUTS!

    Come on….playoffs…….???????????!!!!!!!!!!

    COME ON!

    If this team beats this team and if that team can beat this and that team we can make the playoffs! This team does what it always does……….takes a loss when they need it most!

    BOTTOM LINE……..THEY DON’T SHOW UP!

  64. By YouAllNeedtoReWatchTheGame on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    First of All I agree that was a team lost but lets take a second look at One Brandon Marshall he completely dominated yesterday plus got totally lucky!!! How many times were our CB’s there hitting the ball before it hit Marshall’s hands??? at least 3 that I can think of and how many times did it take a lucky bounce back into his hands? all three!! That’s just what I can think of off the top of my head. Now the “quarterback problem” there isn’t one right now he is young and under developed every play this kid has been running for his life trying to find open receivers and pressure comes from every direction it’s not one place so we can blame that problem on the oline. Second how many ball did recievers drop that either hit them in the hands or in the chest!! at least 5!!!! IN one game one was a touchdown pass! Yes I am talking about Wright that ball hit him in the chest that ball was not knocked down until it bounced off of his chest!!!!! that is why is didn’t play much after that he dropped a crucial touchdown pass that keeps the game in reason!! and the defensive line played like they were not even there most of the game. And the only way to win in football and the NFL is win in the trenches end of story period!! WE lost both of those battles yesterday so all of you need to stop talking about football like you know what your doing and go buy a football for dummies book read it then shut up!! it’s not Ponders fault it’s not one persons fault Football is the total 100 percent TEAM SPORT there is never any one reason!

  65. By Mike B. on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    I think Ponder has the makings of a good QB in the league. He has the smarts and looks down his reads. This is something Webb can’t do. He has stuff to work on yes, but I think once he is in sync with how to play in the NFL, he will be a good starting QB.

  66. By Jerry on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    There are five overall problems with this team: A. They continue sticking with a subpar quarterback. Ponder continues to show that he doesnt belong in the starting quarterback position. B. The head coach. Leslie Frazier should be fired and I hope he does if this team continues to show a subpar performance. C. No defense. the whole defense are weak, no secondary to mention and the defensive line is pathetic. D. The vikings relies on one receiver and a running back. With Harvin out, there is no real threat deep or short cause the rest of the wide outs cant catch or think. E. Finally, the ownership. How can the ownership go out and put a high school team like the Minnesota Vikings out on the field to play with the big boys. They had the draft to pick up quality players and they fail. Last year we had a first round pick with the choice being at Number 3 and we didnt get a decent quarterback or improve the offense. Its almost like they dont care about whether or not this team is playoff material. Its funny how this team whines and cries over having a new stadium. They dont deserve a new stadium, they deserve to be moved to another state and a new owner. One with a brain and ballz enough to spend the money for quality players instead of ham an eggers.

  67. By Dennis on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    I will be shocked if this team gets to 8 and 8. They have a horrible offense, by that i mean a below average quarter back and receivers that would be back ups anywhere else. The defense is okay considering how much time they have to spend on the field every week. If not for the running back and field goal kicker, they would probably be win less!
    Glad to hear that Frazier hasn’t lost confidence in Simpson. What a waste of a roster spot he is!

  68. By Gilberator on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    Mike B. you go brother. I agree with you 100%

  69. By Gilberator on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    Jerry-are you kidding me? How did we beat Detroit two weeks ago then? We didn’t have harvin then and we swept the Lions. We had Harvin the first time we played Detroit and the only thing we could do is win the special teams game. How good was rogers when he first started at GB. When was Brady drafted? Brees was traded away from san diego and look at him now. Ponder is young and hasnt had the time to develop. If you think Ponder should be taking us to the playoffs during his second season (1st season starting) then you dont know a darn thing about the Vikings. This team needs work and time to gel. Dennis- Simpson actually had a good year at the bengals (front flip aside). This should tell you we need better coaches. But no lets just waste a pick every year trying to find that “goldilocks” QB all you babies are crying for.

  70. By Muskyfever on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    @YouAllNeedtoReWatchTheGame

    Their may not be and “I” in team…. but there is one in win. Just sayin.

    Look at last week when CHI played SF. They got stommped. Then all of the sudden Cutler came back and stommped us. Prioves that QB’s are a HUGE part, if not the BIGGEST part of a succesful football team.. I said earlier that Ponder was not the reason we lost, it was a team loss. But when you have a QB who you drafted first round 12th overall, and he has issues throwing the ball to receivers 5 and 10 yards away. I played highschool football as a QB. I can make that throw.

    I understand that he is young and underdeveloped. But even underdeveloped QB’s can make the throws he can’t. Maybe, you should go back and re watch the entire season, cause I think you may have missed a game or two where he didn’t even throw for 100 yards. and If I am not mistaken, we didn’t have any drops in those games……………… just sayin

  71. By Parkway on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    Some of you give Ponder way too many excuses. Kaepernick, Wilson, RGIII, Luck and Tannehill don’t have a perfect offensive line or 5 incredible receivers to throw to and yet they make their team better and make plays.

    Look at Tebow last year, the team was 8-8. With a real QB, they are already 8-3 with pretty much the identical personnel around Manning.

    I can only hope that Ponder turns into a great QB because at this point it doesn’t look like there will be many good options through the draft or FA, but I just do not see it happening.

  72. By Muskyfever on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    @YouAllNeedtoReWatchTheGame

    Their may not be and “I” in team…. but there is one in win. Just sayin.

    Look at last week when CHI played SF. They got stommped. Then all of the sudden Cutler came back and stommped us. Prioves that QB’s are a HUGE part, if not the BIGGEST part of a succesful football team.. I said earlier that Ponder was not the reason we lost, it was a team loss. But when you have a QB who you drafted first round 12th overall, and he has issues throwing the rock to receivers 5 and 10 yards away. I played highschool football as a QB. I can make that throw.

    I understand that he is young and underdeveloped. But even underdeveloped QB’s can make the throws he can’t. Maybe, you should go back and re watch the entire season, cause I think you may have missed a game or two where he didn’t even throw for 100 yards. and If I am not mistaken, we didn’t have any drops, or at least minimal drops in those games……………… just sayin

  73. By Muskyfever on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    why did it post that twice for me… that is very strange

  74. By Parkway on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    Oh and my point about those QBs I mentioned is they are all ROOKIES and outplaying Ponder. (Kaeperneick 2nd year but only has 2 NFL starts)

  75. By Muskyfever on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    Thank you Parkway for further proving what is reality on the football field

  76. By charles on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    christan pnder and coordinator bill musgrave have to go they are the reason the vikings are falling apart. there is no attemp to go down field even with what we have. give the receivers we got a chance. ponder locks on to one receiver and that is it. musgrave is too predictable, they both must go

  77. By OTKalil2012 on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    I am sure the Vikings can file a protest…On that TD ruling that was confirmed…And then overturned…

    When the official put his hands up and announced the play had been reviewed…And is a TD…

    That play was OVER…You can’t review the ruling…Just the play…The play was over the moment the ref raised his hands…And called it a TD…I don’t care if the Vikings had not kicked the extra point yet of not…

    Check the rule book Zygi…You have a protest…That’s why there is no ruling on the field until reviewed…Because when the ruling has been made…IT CAN”T BE CHANGED…Extra point being kicked or not…The official signaled TD after review…Play over…

  78. By Gilberator on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    OTKALIL- I agree about the TD that came back. Ridiculous. But hey, as long as GB doesn’t boo hoo about bad reffing, their is no bad reffing!!!!! That could have changed the game. Still enjoyed seeing the hustle from Raymond

  79. By Michael b on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    Pathetic…two weeks to prepare and yesterday’s debacle? Did anyone on the coaching staff watch the 49ers game Monday night and how they took a part the bears with a first time starting quarterback? Poor game plan,execution, and effort from the VIkings. Ponder has the same excuses every week-poor play, need to work harder! We have seen the VIkings get beat by three rookie quarterbacks this year. Two years ago it was chilli’s fault….Not much different now….Come on man,where you at VIkings….Fox even left its national broadcast after the halftime kickoff for a more competitive game….Show some pride and play, don’t just show up for a paycheck.

  80. By realviking on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    Ponder is book smart but this is football. Other then the last game against the lions how many times has he looked down his reads. The analyst show plenty of times where players were wide open and he couldn’t find them that don’t sound like a quarterback who goes through all his reads to me. Everyone knows after his first read he bails. Why is it that every Ponder fan always list the things Webb can’t do? You can’t say someone can’t do something if you don’t give them a chance. He looked good in limited action how many games did he have to come in and save the team. We know what Ponder can and can’t do and he’s yet to prove he’sshould be a franchise qb. If your looking for a game manager he’s good but when you fall behind a game manager can’t bring you back ask Alex Smith and he’s 10 times better then Ponder. Ponder is just another Chad Pennington weak arm injury prone without the accuracy.

  81. By Muskyfever on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    I am NOT a ponder fan. I like Webb, think he is a good athlete… But He shouldn’t start either. Their both backups…. WE NEED A STARTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  82. By liito on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    The verbal interviews say playoff hunt but the field efforts aim for draft position. Which is it? Goal should be rebuild a team not just superstar positions here and there. Let’s get some genuine talent for:
    1. Randy Moss-type WR
    2. Alan Page-type DT
    3. A clone of Antoine Winfield
    4. Ron Yary-type OG
    5. A clone of Chad Greenway
    6. Other players for depth at OT
    7. Cris Carter-type WR
    8. Percy Harvin-type special teams
    9. Chris Kluwe replacement / back-up

  83. By Troutdaddy on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    @Parkway – You are right. A lot of people (Lke myself) have given Ponder a break and made excuses. If you look at Ponder and what he has done the whole season thus far, you will see it is pretty average for a rookie QB. he had some really bright moments and some really pathetic playing as well. This does not change the fact that he is the Starting QB and will remain as such unless he folds like a lawn-chair the rest of the divisional games. I still think he has the smarts to do a good job for the Vikes, but the fact is that he is not getting the time to throw the football. He is pressured too much and that is his weakness and what messes him up. Take that away and he has done the job. he has still helped us to get to 6 and 5. In a rebuilding year that is still ok. The fact that we can still make the playoffs gives me hope. It is not going to be easy, but I am willing to at least give Ponder a shot to prove he can compete at that level because 1- he deserves the chance and 2- We do not have any say in the matter and 3- Webb IS NOT THE ANSWER!!! As far as this weeks game against the Packers, I am drooling at the possibility of beating them in Lambau…..

  84. By realviking on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    @Muskyfever…. I think we need a starter to but you made a good point earlier about the 2k13 draft being weak at that position. If we don’t draft a quarterback can we at least hold a true open competition for the spot because Ponder was handed the spot based on the round he was drafted in. Whoever win starts and if they stink it up they get benched so we can see what the other one can do. I don’t know if Webb is starting material or MBT but I don’t want to write them off and end up missing out on someone special.

  85. By Bill on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    Jerome Simpson = Bernard Berrian

  86. By Muskyfever on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    OK, so I have an idea. If, by some miracle we win in GB. (not saying it can’t be done, but will be very difficult) We should all go to the GB website and post nothing but taunts to the pukervillans… Well you guys don’t have to, but I’m gunna. If we win at GB I will be like a giddy!!!!!! I wont care that we lost yesterday I wont care that we lost any of the games we lost… As long as we beat GB I will be happy with the season… and if we sweep them, well I wont need anything for xmas now will I?

  87. By iaVIKE on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    Except Berrian had another 5 years and 14 million(guaranteed) on his contract…. Spielman did the right thing with Simpson, low risk with a possible high reward, but only a one year cheap contract. We don’t owe him anything

  88. By realviking on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    @Musky…. I’m in for it I can’t stand Packers fans I have have a few at my job who think they own us boy if we win I have a surprise for them. We all remember what happened when they beat us.

  89. By xvike on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    Who is/was a better OC? Musgrave or Bevell? Who was the better coach, Chilly or Frazier???

  90. By Muskyfever on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    Oh yeah buddy, if we win in GB those fans are gunna hear it

  91. By Muskyfever on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    Ooooooo Xvike that is a good ?… I will take Bevell over mustgravy and Fraizer over Chillys moronic self

  92. By realviking on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    Bevell is the better OC look at the Seahawks offense last year with t.jack it was way better then our offense is now and this year with a rookie qb it makes us look like peewee league. Between chilly and Frazier i don’t know who’s worst chilly is probably better because he always won more then 3 games and got us to the playoffs unlike Frazier.

  93. By Troutdaddy on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    @ Bill- Totally disagree with you. Jerome Simpson is at least giving it his all. he blocks, he is fast and has been free many times downfield but not thrown to. He is doing what is asked of him and works his butt off. Berrian was washed up and unmotiviated.

    If Ponder can’t get it done, then I am not sure I want to go after another QB in the draft. I would rather see the Vike’s pick-up a veteran for next year or develop MBT and Trade Web for something else…I hope Ponder pans out, but I am not going to cry over it if he doesn’t

  94. By iaVIKE on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    realviking – Chilly was well on his way to a 4-12 or 5-11 season in 2010… he left the team in shambles, and had NO respect from his players. Frazier has done a good job, and his players want to win for him.

  95. By xvike on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    LOL yeah. Chilly doomed himself when he traded for Moss and then released him after 3-4 games without consent from the wilfs. If not for that, i would rather have chilly. I think we fans take for granted what we had. At least with chilly and Bevell, we had a few productive seasons. Take a look at the roster we had at the time too. Not much better than the one we have now. Maybe even worse. Tjack and Gus Frerotte as our qb’s? But as of right now, I think i would rather have frerotte or even tjack over ponder. Everything comes down to how bad or well ponder plays.. With a few exceptions this year where he played terribly and we still won like the first game against detroit.

  96. By xvike on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    @iaVIKE Maybe you could make the argument that yes the players do want to win for frazier but maybe frazier lacks the skills/knowledge/expertise to help this team win? And maybe Childress had the skills/knowledge/expertise to help his team win, but just had a terrible personality as a coach that in effect, made no one really like or click with him?

  97. By Muskyfever on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    still not a ponder fan but If I had to choose between Ponder and Tjack I will take Ponder everytime!!!

    Unfortenatly.. you know who I miss as a coach.?? Fat Dumb (Deny Green) He owuld run up the score. He had the same mentality as Bill Belichek.. “you don’t want us to score” Then Stop us!!!!! I loved that about Deny. Though we were never a huge playoff contender, I do remeber going most years under Deny Green. We were never the best or the worst. Kind of Average. I’m not saying bring back Fat Dumb, but at least bring the mentaility and the passion back to our locker room. I think we need that right now… Passion that is

  98. By iaVIKE on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    Yeah that seems to sum it up, xvike. I havn’t given up on Frazier yet, but at times how conservative he is really worries me.

  99. By xvike on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    I have no problem with the way he is. I actually prefer that he is calm. He does get fired up sometimes but rarely. I just question whether or not he knows enough and has the knowledge to be an effective HC. Otherwise, he should stick with being a DC or DB coach…

  100. By realviking on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    @iaVike….. chilly wasn’t good but he did good things for our team when chilly was here he had all the power. Chilly is responsible for drafting the best running back in the league even after we had a rb who hit 1000 yards the year before. He’s responsible for drafting Harvin, Rice, Sully, and sign plenty good good players who played or still plays for us now. The reason he lost the locker is because it was his way or the highway he wasn’t a players coach. Frazier is a players coach that’s why he’s afraid of benching someone who plays poorly, allows players to scream on him, the players don’t respect Frazier because he’s a good coach they like him because they never do anything wrong in his eyes.

  101. By realviking on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    @Musky…. Danny Green did have that winning attitude he gave us something to cheer for I remember our high powered offense passing and running was balanced.

  102. By iaVIKE on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    Chilly went all in for 09, which to his credit almost and should have worked out… i’m positive we would have destroyed Indy in the SB. Chilly did not think about anything after that season… that much is clear, the team was a joke. Do you see the great coaches do that? Has Belichick done that? I think Chilly is a pretty good OC, and should stick to that.

  103. By realviking on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    I don’t think chilly was a good coach don’t think we improved by going from chilly to Frazier. I think Frazier will cost us to lose the only bright spots we have on the team because he’s a loser.

  104. By Muskyfever on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    I like Frazier I think he is a good if not GREAT Defensive Coordinator… but nothing more. In my personal opinion he is to quite to be a head coach, not enough passion or drive. In pressers after games he gives the same BS generaic anwsers that the rest of the coachs do.. The difference is however you can feel different emotions from other coaches, thus changing how they act or react through a press conference. Frazier is just same ole Dry red eyes king of guy. (you know, the monotone one from the commercials) Our D was always great under Frazier, now that he is the HC, our D stinks… do you see a trend??? I do!!!!

  105. By Ponder aka 3 and out on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    some of the people on here think Ponder is still learning. how long do we have to wait for him to learn? is this a big 5 year experiment? i don’t want to waste 4 years on a “experiment” like we did with T_JACK!!!

  106. By OTKalil2012 on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    This off season will be very interesting ??…Zygi made Spielman GM at the end of last season…But before doing so…Zygi said he wanted Frazier to have this season yet to be head coach and finish his current contract…

    That is where it gets interesting…Does Spielman now take over normal GM duties…Will Spielman have more say in who is head coach for next season ???..

    Does it matter how many wins Frazier gets this year…For Frazier to keep his job ???…Or will Zygi allow Spielman to fully transition the rest of the way into what would be normal GM duties…And allow Spielman to make the decision to extend Fraziers contract ???…

    This game coming up with GB…Might be a major factor if Frazier has a job being head coach for the Minnesota Vikings next season ???…

  107. By Vikes4life06 on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    Ok, let me finish before everyone comes at my head for this, but I don’t get why we at least give Joe Webb a CHANCE during the game, the guy has talent and speed and we’ve seen him win a couple of games last year and the year before haven’t we? He may not be an elite QB in a traditional sense, but he can make plays with his feet. Ponder has not been producing and he cracks under pressure like a fortune cookie when the Blitz is on. He BARELY ever takes a shot down the field except for that one time in the Lions game, and usually he throws a pick when he does. I’m just saying, I think Webb deserves some consideration. Frazier needs to swallow his pride and just think about it a little bit.

    By the way guys, please sub to my youtube channel about vikings vlogs, here’s my recap after the bears loss..sorry about the swearing, I was really really mad about it!

  108. By new qb please on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    Might as well sit Ponder… he has not proven to be an elite qb and with rookie qbs these days coming in breaking records and taking their teams to playoff their first year why give him anymore time to fail. Put in webb and start looking for a new qb. for real vikes this is getting annoying for those of us who pay your paychecks.

  109. By Vikes4life06 on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    @new qb please

    THANK YOU!

  110. By Get a grip on Nov 26, 2012 | Reply

    So many qualified coaching stuff chiming in, what a wonderf- oh wait.
    Instead of supporting the Vikings, let’s just tell them their decisions are always wrong. But only when they lose!

  111. By Vikesince1950 on Nov 27, 2012 | Reply

    Playoffs!What do you mean playoffs!Dont talk to me about playoff.Unpredictable QB and Offensive Cord.That forgot he has the best running back in the leage.If your QB can’t throw then ram it down their throat .You can see the QB is scared stiff when you have 4th down and he throws the ball into the stands.No confedence in his recieves at all.That mean he has no confedence in himself.

  112. By Ed on Nov 27, 2012 | Reply

    the vikings do this year after year they play 1 or 2 good games then when you think they got it togather then they let you down its every year ponders and the front 4 they have done nothing coaching staff suck look it denver or the 49ers new qbs and the win we have the same plays all the time im not a player and i even can read what there going to do on there next play

  113. By Digger on Nov 27, 2012 | Reply

    I am so glad I have so much more to my life that I don’t need to be a negative Nancy all the time like the rest of you on here!! I knew there was a reason I haven’t been on here much to read blogs lately! Non of you on here are ever happy!!

  114. By Digger on Nov 27, 2012 | Reply

    I love your possitive attitude Mike B!! Next years draft offers no Luck or RG3 type talent at QB in it. We don’t need anymore retread Vet type QB’s either. Ponder is only 21 starts into his career and he is still learning. Players like Luck and RG3 don’t come around very often. Webb and MTB aren’t long term answers either. So, you get some more oline help, 2-3 different WR’s, another LB, Dline guy, maybe another CB or 2. You finsih the season with trying to win and not tanking it and doing some kind of experiment, what kind of message does that send to your players and fan base? All anyone could have hoped for this season was improvement and a better record then last year and they have done that. Team is probably 2-3 years away yet. Rome wasn’t built in a day.

  115. By Rush on Nov 27, 2012 | Reply

    So GB is getting all there starters back, just in time to play us “GREAT”!! This should be 45-10 and on National tv.

  116. By Rush on Nov 27, 2012 | Reply

    Why is our second offensive play every series a hand off to AP up the middle? watch this game against the pack watch what we do on second down. U don’t think they don’t know it?? doesn’t matter if it is 2nd and 15 we run him for 3-5 yrds then throw a 5 yrd pass on 3rd an 10. Punt, Don’t worry we will field goal them to death!!

  117. By scviking on Nov 27, 2012 | Reply

    just seeing if i can post yet. way more to come!

  118. By UH-OH on Nov 28, 2012 | Reply

    HAHAHA PLAYOFFS….YOUR A JOKE! Only way we have a shot is when ponder plays like his normal cr@ppy self we sit him on the bench and bring webb in. Sure webb is raw, doesnt have the so called “QB Ability” but I say this to that…1) Neither does Ponder 2) He can run the ball when he is pressured “which is sure to happen cause our O-Line blows”. I backed Ponder all year but the last few weeks I have seen enough. As a Viking fan I can’t keep watching christian “3 and out” Ponder. I feel bad for Peterson and Harvin because they are two of the best players in the league and this team does nothing to help them get the ring that all of us Vike fans have been chasing for 50+ years!

  119. By UH-OH on Nov 28, 2012 | Reply

    We need a spark….FYI- definition of insanity – Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Ponder blows, our OC blows, HC blows, WR blow, we have nothing. We come out with the same game plan every week and expect a different result. Started the season 4-1 since than we have gone 2-4 maybe time to mix up the game plan cause your stuck in lala land and not only proving your insanity but also causing Vike fans to feel insanity as well. I can’t even stand to watch the games….However because I am so use to the let downs I do…lol. Don’t you come in this business to win? Why not put your money where your mouth is. You did it in 2009 (we had a hall of fame QB than) and we were one stupid HC and a int instead of run away from going to the SB (with 5 turnovers mind you). Get us a QB, get us a QB now and we will win. Great QBs can make below average WR look good and average WR look like they are headed to the hall of fame…example-Sydney Rice.

  120. By UH-OH on Nov 28, 2012 | Reply

    This guy Mike always says he cant blame Ponder or the OC the WR arent getting open, they arent executing…etc…corporate…blah, blah, blah. Let me take you back to 2009: Even D, Even O-Line our WR were – Berrian, Childs, Camarillo, Rice, Harvin…TE Shancio I think Rudolph is better….so not a whole lot better/worse than what we have now…So what is the piece we had the year we coulda and shoulda won it all? A QB and a more agressive, less predictable OC…Hmmmm cant blame ponder or the OC huh?

  121. By UH-OH on Nov 28, 2012 | Reply

    sorry I meant WR Lewis, not childs….they share the same first name…lol

  122. By YouAllNeedtoReWatchTheGame on Nov 29, 2012 | Reply

    @ UH-OH you said and I quote ” back to 2009: Even D, Even O-Line our WR were – Berrian, Childs, Camarillo, Rice, Harvin…TE Shancio I think Rudolph is better….so not a whole lot better/worse than what we have now…So what is the piece we had the year we coulda and shoulda won it all? A QB and a more agressive, less predictable OC” Do you realize that you just said we had a less predictable OC???? really you know the biggest reason that Childress and Bevell (not sure how to spell his last name) got fired?? because the so called “fans” or people like YOU said we were predictable. Every year all of you soooo called fans yell and scream about how we don’t have a QB or our play calling is predictable!!! like really??? when we had number 11 people shouted and yelled that he couldn’t complete a pass!!! back to back season he threw for over 3000 yards Bevell had the same offensive mentality that we do now run run run peterson. And Favre just threw it up with his eyes closed for Rice if we needed it and it worked until we needed it most because everyone knew what Farve was going to do in New Orleans he forced it into Rice which lost us the game so the fact of the matter is you are not right. We were more predictable in 2009 and also Farve didn’t get pressured near as much as Ponder does in 2009 our O-line was very good. So next time your going to go on a rant about how smart you think you are double check what your saying.

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