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WR Status Check: Percy Harvin (Ankle) And Calvin Johnson (Knee)

Posted by Mike Wobschall on November 9, 2012 – 7:58 am

Earlier this week we listed the 7 Vikings-Lions storylines we’d be following this week, so with Friday upon us and kickoff just two days away, let’s check in on the #1 storyline: Harvin’s Ankle, Megatron’s Knee. Percy Harvin leads the NFL in receptions with 62 and Detroit’s Calvin Johnson is arguable the NFL’s best player at the position. But neither has practiced this week due to injuries, and it will have a profound impact on Sunday’s game.

Of the two receivers, Johnson stands the best chance to play. He’s dealing with a knee injury that kept him out of practice all of last week. The time away from practice didn’t seem to bother the All-Pro, as he came down with 7 receptions for 129 yards against the Jacksonville Jaguars. Johnson has been held out of practice this week, too, but the smart money is on him playing. And if he’s playing, he’s dangerous.

There’s been another element added to this mix of late, though. According to a report from Dave Birkett of the Detroit Free Press, Johnson told reporters on Thursday that he’s dealing with nerve damage that is making it harder for him to grip the football. Johnson pointed to a pair of hits from the Lions Week 4 game against the Vikings that is causing the issue.

As for Harvin, he has not been ruled out but he did call himself a “longshot” to play. Harvin suffered an ankle injury last week in Seattle, but was able to finish the game. Harvin spoke with reporters earlier in the week while leaning on crutches, causing many to speculate that the NFL’s leading receiver will be unavailable for Sunday’s game.

I’m not in the business of speculating whether or not a guy will play despite an injury. The Vikings have a bye following this Sunday’s game, so keeping Harvin out of this week’s game would essentially give him nearly three full weeks between his injury and the next ball game. But Vikings Head Coach Leslie Frazier said after practice on Thursday that if Harvin is healthy enough to play, he’ll play. Also keep in mind that Harvin is as tough a player as there is, so if there’s even the slightest bit of chance he can play, Harvin will be angling to get out there.

If he plays, that’s great news for the Vikings. If he doesn’t play, the Vikings will have about 11 touches to distribute to other players. Harvin has 100 touches through 9 games this season, which averages out to 11.1 touches per game. In this week’s Wobcast – where Cris Carter is featured as the guest – I pointed to three players who could see a few more touches if Harvin doesn’t play: WR Jarius Wright and TEs John Carlson and Kyle Rudolph.

Harvin also has a role on special teams as the Vikings kickoff returner, and Vikings Head Coach Mike Priefer said a number of guys could step into that role if Harvin is unable to play. Marcus Sherels, the Vikings starting punt returner, can do it, as can Wright, WR Stephen Burton and CBs A.J. Jefferson and Josh Robinson.


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375 Responses to “WR Status Check: Percy Harvin (Ankle) And Calvin Johnson (Knee)”

  1. By BlueBird7 on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Get some other people in there to take the load off Harvin. Will Peterson be next to go down? Again?

  2. By vikingfanforlife on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    If the Vikings can’t win without Percy Harvin we have some serious issue’s that need to be dealt with. Let him rest and heal up before we lose him for the season. If you look at outstanding quarterbacks in the NFL, they always find a way to win even under adverse conditions. We need to start seeing that from our quarterback, either you have it or you don’t. Simple as that.

  3. By DRS. on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    The Vikings need more than one great player. They need great depth for the entire team, not just in the glory positions. Time after time in this sport we have seen a team build itself around one person and when they are injured the team falls apart and fail to achieve their goal of victory, why do teams fail to see it is better to have good players at all positions then that one star who may or may not bring victory to the team. Go Vikings, we can still have a great season if you can stop being a one dimensional team, stop the run on the brain syndrome, then and only then you will become a winning team.

  4. By DRS. on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Everyone have a great day, SKOL Vikings, Later.

  5. By mnsoldier on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    The offensive coordinator has the get creative, if they know that you will only use peterson or harvin, they dont worry about anyone else on the field. get creative and not just by using one other player. use ponders speed to roll him out with a layered receiver set. so he can hit any one of 3 guys. then you can mix in the counter trap runs working against the grain of the defense. that will keep the db’s back and the linebacks no focusing on the run game as they will have to move to cover the TE’s

  6. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Well, we are now in a tough position– two more losses and we may be out of it. That is a tough road with the games after the bye. Everyone — just relax, eat some wings, drink some sparkling water like Perrier, and enjoy the games– I doubt we make the playoffs. There is next year.

  7. By OTKalil2012 on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Is Frazier feeling his head coaching job slipping away ??

    Why is Frazier even thinking of playing a Harvin, who was on crutches Monday…And still limping bad yesterday ???…

    Sounds like a “desperate” coach, overlooking health concerns trying to get wins..To save his job…Not worrying what is best for the player…

    Why is AP running every play the season…Coming off an ACL injury ???…When a ver capable Gerhart, could help out ??…

    I am beginning to not like Frazier anymore…

    And I already don’t care for Musgrave…

  8. By Ricky on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Dear Coach Frazier,
    Now Coach, that’s enough. I want to stop right now, I’m putting my foot down, I’m getting angry now. Stop doing that stuff – stop loosing! My dad is so mad about that, he’s so angry, he’s so mad, my folks are really upset, they want the Vikings to win. Jeff is going to get Vikings tickets. Beat them down!

    Ricky

  9. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Loosing? What? HA HA HA HA. Ricky, stop playing hooky and get back to school right now! It is against the law for you to be at home during school.

  10. By hippster on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    hey shawn are u out there in the words of a socalist rockstar named bruce brainstrin your 401k plan is going down .hey how about that attack on a US drone by iran NOV 1 2012 ?didnt hear about that eh left in the dark again eh transparent eh can you say act of war eh , couldnt let the american people know that before an election EH that might look BAD EH EH EH you sleep in the bed you make

  11. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    useful idiots

  12. By hippster on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    its sad for sure TITUS for sure were all gonna be left in dark. you seam to get it THANK YOU

  13. By OTKalil2012 on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    “Vikings Head Coach Leslie Frazier said after practice on Thursday that if Harvin is healthy enough to play, he’ll play”…

    Harvin has a sore hammy and a bad foot…If he sits this Sunday, just like Wobbs said…Harvin gets almost 3 weeks to heal up for the last big games on the schedule after th bye week…

    You push and bring back Harvin this week…You could lose him for the season…

    Just like Frazier did with AP coming off that ankle injury last season…And for what ???…The game meant nothing last year…

    That statement should read from Frazier…No way Harvin plays this Sunday !!…So he will be stronger after the bye week…

    This team is falling apart…And its because of coaching…

    Why was Harvin allowed to reenter the game last week ???…Let alone have Musgrave call a fly pattern play for Harvin…Seeing the pain he was in ???…

    Fire Frazier and Musgrave !!!…I am starting to see plenty to warrant that decision…

  14. By vikingbob136 on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Harvin will NOT play. Just reported by ESPN.
    Someone else has to pick up the slack.
    Any volunteers?

  15. By OTKalil2012 on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Harvin sits…That is more like it !!!…

    J Wright and Summers would be nice…

    But fully expect Frazier and Musgrave sticking with Jenkins and Shudo…

    Get Rudolf out in space Musgrave !!!…Maybe then he can make a few moves to get open…

  16. By autobon7 on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    There are a lot of things going on with this team that doesn’t make sense. All starts with the coaching staff. I refuse to listen to those folks who write off this season as a rebuilding year. You rebuild when you have no elite/veteran players and/or when you have a dismal record and want to blow up your squad. We happen to have the best RB in the league, one of the best WR in the league, a rookie T who some folks are saying may be having a pro bowl year (it’s early tho), a LB who is leading the league in tackles, one of the best all time DE, an awesome rookie K, and at one point we were 5-2. Sure we need to fill some holes but you cannot write off that we have some great players and had a good record….at that point we should have been scrambling to try something, anything, for goodness sake when the pass game started to crumble. But we did nothing, NOTHING and now we face the reality of possibly being 5-5 after this weekend. What a shame…..it all comes down to coaching and a QB who is a second stringer at best. Shame on you coaching staff for not trying.

  17. By Troutdaddy on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Again- Wright and Webb would make an interesting addition to the WR’s and give our QB a chance to throw. Harvin needs to rest and I am glad he is not playing. This is also a good opportunity for Rudolph to explode. Look at Jimmy Graham and what he is doing. .Can you imagine if we started using Rudolph like that? Like I have said and many others have said, this is the week of judgement for the Vikes. Thye need to win, PERIOD. Depending on how the “Scheme” works this week is going to (in my opinion) decide the fate of Musgrave, Ponder and Frazier in the eyes of the fans and possibly in the eyes of the owners. Wilf is not an idiot and he will not stand by blindly and let the fans down. Look what he did for the stadium? He will put some pressure on the staff as well. He has been kinda quiet about stuff, but I don’t think that is going to last much longer. Spielman should also be worried. It is time for a temperature check and those who are luke-warm should be prepared to feel some wrath… Whether or not it comes from the Organization or from the fans is almost a moot point now. It won’t matter. The cheers or boo’s that happen on Sunday will be the judge… mark my words… I ALWAYS bleed purple and hope that we can turn this boat around… Skol Vikes!

  18. By Muskyfever on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Vikingfanforlife said above that we have trouble winning without Harvin… sh!t, we have trouble winning with Harvin.

    I think we should see J. Wright a few times this game. I would like to see him get involved in the return game a little bit.

    I owuld like to see our “other” receivers get their numbers called a little more, like Burton, Wright and Summers. I would love to see us stretch the field or at least attempt to with one of those three guys.

    With Harvin out – Teams are goingt o focus on AP first (as always) but in the passing game they are going to try and take away Rudolf first, then Simpson. I

    We are in for a world of hurt if they are able to hold down the passing game again. If Ponder can throw for even 150 and AP can run for 100+ we should win, We all know that AP can run, but Ponders passing is suspect at best. We need to be some what balanced going into this one to be able to win. If we can’t get the passing game going at least a little bit… were are not going to get the W. We need D, special teams and the Oline to step up big this game. If they can we should win.

  19. By rory from n.w.ark on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Play Jarious Wright and Burton we need them activated for this weekend ,I know what Wright can do ,it just amazes me we have not played him other than that Texans game in preseason where he tore up the texans, also believe he had a long touchdown catch in that game,Play Wright and well be allright go Vikings

  20. By PAVikesFan30 on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Man, we have to correct a lot of things in order for us to be victorious on Sunday. It’s not one thing we have to do, it’s many things. How about on offense we pass block better. Ponder needs to get it going. Rudolph needs to get involved again (2 catches last 3 games). Harvin will probably not play, and while there is no replacing a guy of his caliber, someone needs to step there game up. Defensively, our pass rush has dwindles the last 2 games. Our tackling has been attrocious. I remember watching the Redskins game and the announcer John Lynch said that this was the “best tackling team in the NFL”. Well, where has that gone in recent games??? We are giving up an average of 165 yards on the ground over our last 4 games!!! That is not what we are accustomed to doing! U cant win football games when ur giving up big #’s like that. And lastly, we don’t force any turnovers!!! None!! Just look at the Bears. They can play mediocre on offense and there defense wins them games. Which team are we? The team that barely squeaked by Jacksonville, or the team that blew out the 49ers? Are we the team we’ve seen the last 4 weeks? or the team that started 4-1?? These are things to “Ponder”………….

  21. By northwoodsv2 on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    “The Vikings need more than one great player. They need great depth for the entire team, not just in the glory positions.”

    We can’t afford to claim ONE good WR off waivers. How are we going to afford to pay an entire team of great players?

  22. By vikingbob136 on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    I am watching a segment that is comparing 3 rookies and who is having the best season.
    All 3 highlights show the Vikes getting beat by these rookies.
    The first is Andrew Luck driving down the field to lead the Colts to victory.
    The second is RG# running for 75 yards and putting the game away.
    The last is Martin(Bucs) running like he is a clone of Barry Sanders.
    So don’t tell me how good our defense is. It seems there is a lot of work needed on defense as well as the offense.

  23. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Bring back Chilly!!!

  24. By tomcat on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    It may be prudent to rest Percy this week, and let the chips fall where they will. He will have the bye to recuperate. It would be sad to lose him for the rest of the season. If we play well we can beat the kittens anyway.We can run A.P. right down their throats, and hopefully get some production out of some other receivers.Let`s see what we have in J. Wright, and see if carlson is more than just a rumor. The middle of the field should be open if Ponder can get them the ball. Skol!

  25. By nolan wiltz on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Before the season started percy had to let these coaches no that he wasn’t being used enough.After the colts game the defence had to tell the D.C. he needed to change cause it was not working.Fraiser was brought over from the colts to be D.C. and at most that is all he is.Singletary was brought in to be pos. coach as ast. head coach to frasier when he was horrible in san fran and the next coach the year after with the same team went 13-3.Mustgo coach Matty Ice in atlanta and he was just average until Musto left now he is great.Fraiser is losing the trust of these players and it shows.They said that Chuckkie wants to come back and coach and I think he would be a big help to ponder because if I am not wrong he was a pretty good Q.B. coach.

  26. By autobon7 on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    We need the fire that Harvin displayed on the sidelines last week to SOMEHOW infect our coaching staff. They all look like they just woke up no matter what happens????? This is what we have….staff that looks like they are in a coma, QB that looks like a deer in headlights, and running our stars into the injury wall and perhaps not wanting to stay in Mini after this season. I agree with Troutdaddy above in that Wilf is no dummy….he/they are smart owners and change is coming.
    GO VIKS

  27. By DrinkHeavy on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Amen VikingBob136! I’ve been trying to hammer that idea home on every post..sure Ponder deserves criticism, but bloggers here want to pin all the blame on him. The fact is, he is inexperienced, badly coached and gets no pass protection. Like you, I am way more embarassed to see our defense get lit up each week by rookie qbs and rbs. That goes directly back to Frazier and Singletary. If they, as former 85 Bears, can’t get the guys on defense prepared to play smart, tough and aggressive, you can’t realistically expect much from the rest of the team. Hopefully they can get it turned around in time for Detroit. GO VIKES

  28. By Parkway on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results.

  29. By BlueBird7 on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    How about Jon Gruden, currently at ESPN to replace Frazier?

    He has won a Superbowl with the Bucs about 10 years ago.

    If the Eagles fire Reid, they will come looking for Jon. Lets beat them to it.

  30. By autobon7 on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Not having Harvin will just add to the excuse makers if he puts up another -100 yard game. We need to quit babying this guy period!!!! Look around the league and see several QBs with LESS time than noodle arm but magically doing well. HOW CAN THAT BE? It must be a trick!! Lets face it folks…Ponder is a second string QB at BEST.

  31. By autobon7 on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Agree with Parkway on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results.

    I’m with you BRO….doesn’t make ANT sense

  32. By TT33 on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    yes, ANT sense just doesnt make sense…?

  33. By QB on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    I watch all the Viking games on the ticket, as well as most other NFC North games that don’t conflict with the Vikings.
    Like clockwork you can see Lions, Packers, Bears all behind early in games alot but you know by time it’s over, more times than not they come back and win.

    Reason…half time coaching adjustments.

    Watching a Viking game your feeling is the exact opposite. Many times they have a lead but your gut tells you I’m starting to feel this game slipping away.

    Reason…NO half time coaching adjustments.

  34. By autobon7 on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Should have been ANY sense sorry TT33 my bad

  35. By purplehaze1 on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    the fire of Percy in the HC…Gruden is that…the trade of for Chuckie…he couldn’t settle on any one QB. the upside…CP would have had splinters in his a*s*s* after his first 50 yd game. furthermore the Hyphen and Webb would have gotten a shot; plus Mustygravy wouldn’t even be in the rear view by now. thankfully PH will get sometime to heal…rest up Percy, then you can really tear it up when you get back…Pay Percy and GO VIKES!!!!!!

  36. By Parkway on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Look at good franchises like the Lakers… their coach got them to the playoffs last year, but lost in the first round and a slow start this year and he is gone. Frazier sucked last year and clearly has already lost the team and is not a good leader and does not know how to handle personnel or his coaches. Give him the axe now let’s not waste a half a season.

  37. By autobon7 on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Im with you purplehaze1 as you speak the truth

  38. By autobon7 on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    IT’S TIME TO BENCH CHRISTIAN PONDER AND START JOE WEBB Written by Sean Eckhardt
    on November 8, 2012

    The time has come to make a tough decision. The Minnesota Vikings and Head Coach Leslie Frazier have to decide if they are satisfied with being a team in a “rebuilding” mode, or if they want to go after a winning record and a potential playoff berth. If they want the latter, Frazier has to get Christian Ponder off the field. It’s that simple. The second year QB has severely regressed during the 2012 season, and he is taking the Vikings’ ship down with him.

    After the first five weeks of the NFL season Minnesota was 4-1 and sitting atop the NFC North. The past four weeks the Vikings have gone 1-3, sit in 3rd place in their division, and are currently out of the playoffs by virtue of their loss last week at Seattle. During this stretch, Ponder has been awful. Over the last three games he has thrown for only 372 yards on 38/74 passing with 2TDs and 4INTs. Those numbers look like a one game line, but that is three games combined. Against Arizona(actually a win), he threw for 58 yards. Then last week, Christian threw for 63 yards in a crushing loss at Seattle. Those numbers are simply unacceptable.

    Leslie Frazier needs to start Joe Webb. Frazier knows what it’s like to be a player in the locker room, and guys like Jared Allen and Adrian Peterson aren’t thinking about rebuilding, or finishing 7-9. These guys know that this team has shown the ability to win and win now. AP didn’t work his ass off to come back from knee surgery to be part of a rebuilding effort. Percy Harvin is playing the best football of his career. If the Vikings don’t bench Ponder and he costs them a couple more games, then you will see a growing division in the locker room. Joe Webb might not be the ultimate answer, but for this season at least, Frazier needs to make the move.

    We’ve seen Frazier bench Christian Ponder in the middle of a game. That happened last season in a loss to Detroit. Now the decision is more serious. Will he pull him in the middle if a season. He needs to. For the other players in the locker room, for the fans, and maybe even to protect his job, Leslie Frazier needs to make the switch and start Joe Webb.

  39. By vikingbob136 on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    I don’t like to talk about anything else except football on this site but i think the Mike Brown firing is a little silly.Talking about hitting the panic button.
    I am sure Kobe ordered it.

  40. By Kathy P on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Frasier/Musgrave dont know what the two words “make adjustments” mean, pure and simple enough? Neither one of them seems to have just one creative thought in their heads. Same old plays game after game especially in our Division. The opponents know every single play we have (which is far&few between) on Offense. No Imagination,No Trick Plays, No Mixing of the Plays. Same things over and over again. THIS IS NOT GOOD COACHING! Being a die-hard fan for over 30yrs. now, it’s unfathomable to see the lack of understanding/competency in this staff. Yet, even though so fans are expressing this view; they refuse to attempt to make those adjustments the talk about in their pressors. Are they unmoveable or is it that they can’t comprehend how to make those adjustments?

  41. By Parkway on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    That’s a good article that makes some really good points. Everyone focuses on Ponder’s development and how it will stunt his growth if we sit him now… but yeah what about the other 52 guys on the roster??? Especially all starts like AP and Harvin. It’s not fair to them to let Ponder struggle and run this team into the ground this year in the name of “learning” or whatever.

    Put in Webb. Let him finish the year. Maybe he isn’t the long term answer, maybe we’ll come back to Ponder later. If he isn’t mentally strong enough to get benched and come back, then he can go do something other than football.

  42. By autobon7 on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Kathy P speaks the truth. Been a Viks fan since 1975 and it’s getting really hard to tolerate such an incompetent coaching staff. Lets not ruin a good start by saying this is a rebuilding year and not even trying to adapt, mix it up, etc.

  43. By Parkway on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    all stars*

  44. By Kathy P on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    I totally agree with you Parkway. It isnt fair to the other players to give 110% to just settle for a mediocre; no failure to achieve QB who can’t produce this far into the season. I would totally be disgusted at this point if I were them. Who wants to give 110% when the others only give 50% at best. The Offensive line is just about as bad as it was before Favre came into play for the Vikings. No reads at all from those players as well as the QB. No protection for the QB either. Im not trying to make excuses for Ponder at all but the OL isnt playing well at all. I do feel a sense of sadness for this team because without ANY changes being done, we are not going to go any further this year I fear.

  45. By purplehaze1 on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    touche to that autobon7…i’m with you there…GO VIKES!!!

  46. By Muskyfever on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Very Good points Kathy P. I totally agree with everything you said. Not only can they not make adjustments, but they don’t even have enough passion on the sidelines to light a fire under our players a-s-s-e-s.

    If you could see some excitement coming form them you may see a pick up in the players ability to execute. but noooooooooooooooooo, fraizer is not able to have visable physical passion and it is hurting this team. Well if our own coach isn’t excited why should I be?? He didn’t even have a facial change of expression when Harvin was yelling at him on the side line. Just shows that not only does he not have passion, but does not have the tools to control his team. This coaching staff is a discrace. I liked friazer, I still do.. but only as our DC. I don’t think he has the mechanics or the character to be a head coach. Just my opinion

  47. By Parkway on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Great article http://www.1500espn.com/sportswire/Pelissero_No_question_in_scouts_minds_where_Vikings_weakness_lies110912_110912

    Interviewing some scouts who scout the Vikes before they play them. A quote from one of them regarding Ponder:

    “I don’t think he’s a very accurate p@sser,” the personnel man said. “Anybody should be able to complete pa sses under 10 yards.”

  48. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Chilly had fire– more than Frazier– he would flap his arms running onto the field yelling at the refs, chewing bubble gum…

  49. By Kathy P on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Ha,Ha! Too bad you couldn’t get that into Frazier’s mailbox someway Parkway. He’s probable already seen it anyway and just shrugged his shoulders like he always does. Im sure the “boo birds” will be out in full force tomorrow. Just wish I could be there as well. Maybe the creativity will have to come from them because I dont see it coming from ANY of the coaching staff.

  50. By autobon7 on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Thanks for sharing Parkway (above) that say it all. We (Viks) must be the easiest team to plan for in the league.

  51. By autobon7 on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    As much as I hated Chilly……esp for tossing Moss (never forgive that one) you are right that at least he had some fire. May have been from taco night but all the same!!!!!

  52. By Kathy P on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    If Frazier even had 1/4 of the expressiveness as Mike Smith, John Harbaugh,Jon Gruden it would be close to a miracle of miracles. Why can’t all coaches be like them? It certainly would make the game so much more interesting at least.

  53. By iaVIKE on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    You clearly just see what you want to see in that article Parkway, because you love to bash Ponder. Here’s another quote that you obviously overlooked …

    “You’ve got to remember, he’s still a young pup, now,” the scout said. “Shoot, this is only his second year and it takes time for these guys. I know everybody wants to rush and hurry up to judge. But I think the skill-set he has is a good one to build around.”

    And another…..

    “Outside of Percy, I don’t consider any of those guys really threats. Obviously, I really like Rudolph, but he’s not a stretch-you-down-the-field type of guy. I’m not a huge Jerome Simpson fan. I thought as long as we could get them to throw, we’ll be all right.”

    And another…

    They’re playing him like a rookie, too.”

  54. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Good critical reading skills IaVike– Parkway just got schooled! Then again, Parkway thinks Osama Bin Laden died in 2001.

  55. By iaVIKE on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Thanks Titus. Most people on here are bashing everything about the Vikes right now cause we’re on a two game losing streak, it’s frustrating, i get it. One thing that I do agree with the constant bashers on this site is the Musgrave situation, he needs to go. just not cuttin it.

  56. By autobon7 on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Wrong iaVIKE…..look at Luck in Indy….he has Wayne we have Harvin (till maybe the end of the season) but who else does Luck have to throw to? Luck is blowing away Ponder, what about RG3, Cam Newton, even the dude in Miami was doing better til he got hurt. I wonder if Rich Gannon or Wade Wilson will pick up the phone?

  57. By autobon7 on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    I challenge anybody to show me 1 game that we won BECAUSE of Ponder. I hear nothing but crickets. We have proven that we can win WITH Ponder but defintely not BECAUSE of Ponder. With a game manager everything has to be JUST right for them to win. When it’s not……no win. This is what we have…..TJack the 2nd.

  58. By Parkway on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Your second quote only proved my point further ia vike.

    And here is yet another quote to back my stance:

    “He’s a one-read guy,” the personnel man said. “He reads half the field, and if he doesn’t see the first guy there, he takes off and runs or he gets out of the pocket and try to create. Rarely does he step up in the pocket.

    And titus believes in imaginary beings like this all might “god”. LOL. Santa isn’t real, neither is the tooth fairy Titus. Get wise.

  59. By Parkway on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Exactly autobon. We have won in spite of Ponder. I have said since our very first game I was doubtful of this team and that we were LUCKY that Ponder didn’t have 6 interceptions through the first 3 games since the DBs simply dropped them. I knew it would catch up to him and he is only getting worse.

    Ponder isn’t our only problem, clearly I haven’t been saying that. But he is not our QB of the future. We need to move on and cut our losses.

  60. By Parkway on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Oh and another:

    “I told our coordinator the same thing,” one NFL personnel man said. “If we can get, say, a 10-point lead, their offense is going to completely change. And it’s not going to work. They’re going to be basically forced to throw the ball and that’s not them.”

    Ponder is the one throwing the ball right?

  61. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Parkway, I don’t just believe, I know God is real. No doubt whatsoever.

  62. By iaVIKE on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    autobon7 – The San Fran game you could make an argument for, he had 2 passing and 1 rushing TD.
    With 30 seconds left (maybe less than 30, correct me if i’m wrong) in the first game of the year, he took us down the field and put Walsh in position for the game tying FG…

    Like i’ve said before I agree CP has been AWFUL for the last 4 games, but i’ve seen what he can do, and i’m gunna stand by what i said last year that he deserves this year and next to show what he can do before determining that he’s not our QB of the future.

  63. By Parkway on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Yeah that’s the problem with the world. Everyone thinks their religion is real. Wars get started over it. The government uses it to control their citizens. It’s sad really.

  64. By Muskyfever on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    @ troutdaddy.. Stumbled across this thought you may get a kick out of it… sry, not football related, but still funny

  65. By Muskyfever on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    sry forgot the darn site… here it is troutdaddy

  66. By Muskyfever on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    F**K my life i didn’t add it twice in a row… here it is for real…

    http://muskie.outdoorsfirst.com/board/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=80018&posts=3&start=1

  67. By iaVIKE on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    I DO agree with you on that, Parkway

  68. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    I am not part of a religion– religion is usually a bad thing.

  69. By Parkway on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    I’m sure you have some level of disdain for Bill Maher, but have you given religulous an objective viewing Titus?

  70. By dieseldog on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    …….48 hours from now Ponder will likely be booed off the field.

  71. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    No disdain for anyone, Parkway. Have you ever had the experience I have had?
    There are two experiences– one of the world and one of the spiritual dimension,which is the real world– what you see is the outer manifestation of true reality.

    I once was very anti-Christian– been on both sides because of a new experience– have you had both experiences? No? Well, then difficult for you to comprehend, whereas I have been where you are.

  72. By Parkway on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Yes I actually have. I was a strict Lutheran most of my life until I was able to open my eyes.

  73. By Sir Greasy Panda on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    I think Ponder is definitely a problem but the trouble with watching games on TV is that they only show the QB and Linemen during a play unless the QB throws it and then it pans to the receivers. I would love to watch what our WRs do during most snaps. Does it even matter to have Jenkins or Aromashadu out there??? Why not have extra line men or another tight end. There has to be something going on there. Half is Ponder but the other half has to be oour subpar WRs

  74. By Sir Greasy Panda on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    The only targets are Percy AP Rudolph and maybe Simpson. Simpson has just been a bust so far. I had high hopes for him but those toss ups that Ponder gives up are awkward and forced. Half the time they end up out of bounds. I dont get why he doesnt run more slant routes?

  75. By Matthias on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    The team as a whole has to play better. Nearly everybody on the team took a step back. But don’t forget that many of them were listed as questionable or injured. Sometimes it only needs a small injury to slow you down. Lets hope that the team gets back on track. They are able to play good and they will play good again. Playoffs are still possible. Go vikings! Win the game at home!

  76. By Sir Greasy Panda on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    I have a bad feeling Percy wont resign with the team even if he is offered a good contract. The boy wants to win, he sniffed it in 09 and wants it. I dont blame him, AP and Jared allen deserve it also. But I think he will walk at the end of the season.

  77. By Parkway on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Percy isn’t a free agent til 2014. That’s why they are talking about giving him a big contract this off season so he does not become a free agent.

  78. By Muskyfever on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Parkway – That would be the prefered option, granted Harvin wants to stay in MN. I have opinions to why he wont leave, but you just enver know with players as skilled as him

  79. By Parkway on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    He’ll probably stay since it comes down to a business decisions more often than not in the NFL. He can either make $1.55 mill next year or probably closer to $8-10 mill with a new contract. His agent will probably tell him to take it and that he could break his leg or something next year and not get offered nearly as much in 2014 as a free agent etc. But you never know, maybe his desire to win will outweigh his desire for cash in the near future.

  80. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    HA HA HA– Luthern!!! Seriously, Parkway, that does not count. : Lutheran is the bas.tard child of the Catholic church and is not true spirituality. I grew up under the same — and by the time I was 19, I was so anti-Chirst, I won’t tell you.

    But then I had the experience. Sorry, but your experience does not count as to what I am speaking of— I know. Been there, done that.

  81. By ? on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Titus
    Why don’t you and all those other preachers just stay in church all day sunday instead of watching the game. amen to that.

  82. By Parkway on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Did you watch that Zeitgeist video? Sums things up pretty clearly.

  83. By Muskyfever on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    One of my thoughts on Harvin also Parkway.. Is that he is one of the best overall, pound for pound players in the entire NFL. Well I am sure that any team would be able to use him in good ways. However, he is never going to get the same production any where else as he would while he is here. He gets to show truley how good he really is when you play for a team where there are limited stars. He would not get nearly the opportunities on a different team, because every other team already has a star of their own and that player would be competing with Harvin for the ball. I could see it being bad if he went to a different team and there was two players fighting for the ball.

    So hopefully he will want to get paid, and staying here I think really shows what he can do. I think if he went to a team like the pats, or SF that he would get lost in the shuffle of all the talent on the team… I guess lost isin’t the word, but you get what i’m saying. Staying here really lets him show case his talent and how precious his skills truley are and how important he is to this team..

    Plus I think my wife would cry if he left

  84. By Sir Greasy Panda on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Well John Clayton from ESPN just said Percy wont play so this is going to be the test to see where our passing game really is without an elite WR. Hopefully Rudolph will have a big day, hopefully Carlson will get somewhat involved, and hopefully Simpson shows up. We all know AP will. Come on Ponder time to sling it.

  85. By Parkway on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    I love that it took the coaching staff and Musgrave 9 games to figure out maybe they should be slightly less predictable with their play calling and route running.

  86. By vikingbob136 on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    @Titus and Spencer
    Please keep the topic to football.
    Religion and politics only upset people because no one can agree or agree to disagree.
    Thanks!!!

  87. By Muskyfever on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Parkway… LOL you actaully think they are going to get that much more creative. They may know that they need to… but I don’t think that we have the players to start getting crazy over half way through the season, expecially when we are missing out number 1 threat

  88. By ? on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Sir Greasy Pancake. Wishing and hoping are two seperate things. Example:
    When peeing in a pot you hope you hit it. wishing is when you think it is full, and wish it doesn’t run over on the floor.

  89. By vikingbob136 on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Sorry Spencer. I meant Parkway.Too hungry to think. Later……

  90. By H.M.G. on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    If the Vikings lose on Sunday Musgrave is gone. I want a win but I want Musgravey gone.

  91. By Shawn on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Who is vikingbob? and why is he concerned with other peoples conversation?

    its so easy to not read someones comments … you see another discussion just skip the people involved … good grief

    people like vikingslob ruined this blog once before with their whiny attitudes forcing people to conform … vikingslob find another community some of us have been here for years

  92. By sdvikefan on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Don’t know why last comment did not go through so here goes again.
    This week provides the players who have had limited opportunities (Harvni’s 11 touches a game) to step up. Also, they are more of an X factor because the opponents defense doesn’t have as much info on them. The coaching staff has an opportunity to change up the looks and play calling as well. They have been conservative/predictable of late but they have had the team executing well at times. This game will be a team effort AND a WAR. Our D has not done as well against extremely mobile QBs but we are well suited to rattle Stafford. Someone pointed out that a lot of highlights feature rookies against the Vikes. Maybe so but RGIII (at times), Andrew Luck and the rookie RB from the Bucs have been ripping everyone of late. We are talking about the 3 offensive rookie of year candidates. We should watch this game with much interest!

  93. By Shawn on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    o yea and another thing vikingslob … telling people to stay on topic is in fact off topic

  94. By sdvikefan on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    @ vikingbob, “someone” means you. Read my comment and Shawn’s as well please. Nuff said.

  95. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Shawn, we may disagree but I like your attitude- don’t accept the status quo and speak your mind!

  96. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    When I got into my late teens and then especially around mid 20s I wondered why people said never talk on religion or politics? WHY??? So we can talk on nonsensical small talk all day??????/

  97. By ? on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Sir Titus You can climb down now from your soapbox. how about some more preaching?

  98. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Oh and VIKINGBOB– last year, after a game on TV, Jared Allen said– I want to give all thanks to my lord and savior Je.sus Ch.rist. SO– I am on topic on vikings.com!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  99. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Okay, back to the game. Will fans boo Ponder– and if so, I think he will come undone. He ain’t no Favre– he will come unglued and throw int after int.

  100. By ponder, aka 3 and out on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Ponder will have the team behind by 10 points just in the 1st quarter, he will be pulled in 4th quarter, but it will be too late, the game will be out of reach

  101. By Spencer on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    If I was attending the game, I would boo after every single incomplete pass.

  102. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    If I were at the game and heard you boo, I would take your beer and put a pacifier in your mouth. Not a way to help our team.

  103. By Spencer on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Oh yes, I forgot that Titus believes booing is detrimental to the team. So once Ponder throws 10yds away from WR’s, I will not boo, I will merely clap to cheer him on.

  104. By ponder, aka 3 and out on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Ponder will throw under 100 yards again. he will proceed to have another game with under 100 yards passing and break a 50 year old nfl record

  105. By TT33 on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    ponder, aka 3 and out ——————> SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  106. By ponder, aka 3 and out on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    bring back t-Jack!!!! at least he can throw over 20 yards!!!!

  107. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Have you ever worked at a place where everything done wrong is noticed? How do you perform? What is your motivation? Booing Ponder may be okay because I want to see a change in quarterback and he will not handle the negative spencer’s of the world. But no, BOOING DOES NOT HELP!

  108. By Immure on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Spencer- Crowd noise is detrimental to the game. Whether its cheering or booing it will effect players and/or the team. With that being said fans should boo if a player makes a terrible play or multiple terrible plays just like they should cheer if they make a great play.

  109. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Immure who says so? Immure’s Rules of the Game–Boo loudly when team does poorly– great for their psyche.

  110. By ? on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Sir Titus. As you say, when Ponder throws int, after int, the guys in the other colored jerseys will catch them, and catch them and beg for more.

  111. By Immure on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Yikes, people really wanna bring T-Jack back? Yea I get it you think he’ll be better than Ponder. But really T-Jack!? I would rather have them bring Sage back.

    Sage > T. Jack

  112. By ? on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    :sigh:

  113. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1402579-vikings-need-to-give-christian-ponder-more-help-more-nfc-north-news

  114. By 1vikingsfan on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Nobody listens to me but ponder will have a big day. Over 300 yards. He needs to have a good game to shut up everybody. I like ponder better than Webb. I haven’t seen the mbt but Titus says he is good but idk I prefer ponder. People be prepare to b surprise

  115. By BE SANE AND SERIOUS on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    I like 1vikingsfan take– a real fan!

    TRUE FANS ARISE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  116. By Immure on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Titus- So your saying that fans shouldn’t express themselves when they feel a player makes a bad mistake. Booing and Cheering can be used as motivational tool. If a player doesn’t like being boo’d at then that can help them work harder to fix the mistakes they made so they don’t repeat them.

  117. By Immure on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Loosing? What? HA HA HA HA. Ricky, stop playing hooky and get back to school right now! It is against the law for you to be at home during school.
    __________________________________________________________________

    Titus- How does this help Lil Ricky’s psyche? Were you trying to motive him to fix his grammar? Or were you just trying to be a d!ck?

  118. By BE SANE AND SERIOUS on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Comparing apples and oranges, Immure. If you want to argue, at least follow Socratic rules of logic.

    What I said to Ricky was in reference to the child not trying, nor even at the correct location for trying, i.e. not in school.

    Ponder is trying– he is on center stage. He knows he is letting others down– he knows his team counts on him– his family is watching, and he is getting beat up on the field– he is out there trying– having trouble, much to do with a lack of confidence. The collective jeering of a roaring crowd screaming boo’s at him is exactly what he needs to continue struggling. This is nonsense. Can you guys think? A struggling rookie quarterback’s confidence level is helped how by booing? Please explain that– Maybe I am a little older than some of you, maybe been around the block a few times more– I don’t know, but cannot help you with this anymore.

  119. By Immure on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Titus- The kid made a grammatical error like we all do from time to time. And you assumed that he wasn’t in school because the one place in the world that they don’t have internet access is schools right?

    Like you jumped on Ricky for making a mistake and assumed he wasn’t trying hard enough to correct it. Its fair enough to boo and assume Ponder is not trying hard enough to correct the same mistakes that he continues to make on the field.

    You’ve stated several times this season that you would’ve pulled Ponder in the 4th quarter when the team was down. Now how exactly does pulling him help his confidence? It sends the message that the coaching staff doesn’t think that he’s capable leading 4th quarter comeback.

  120. By habs001 on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Iam very suprised by many posters on this site on their lack of nfl talent knowledge..The Vikings are not a new nhl franchise in some southern usa city where most people just started to learn the game and cheer for anything and believe their team can win the cup…we have posters on this site who would believe if you dressed 12 year olds for the vikings they should win…reality is the overall talent,depth and experience of this team is very very average..if they finish 8 and 8 that is a solid result anything more is way over achieving….

  121. By Immure on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Whether its booing or pulling a player from a game it still has the same effect on the players confidence. Its then up to the player to decide on how he’s gonna motive himself to work harder so he doesn’t get boo’d or pulled from the game again.

    I’ll use the Bears as an example: Two weeks ago they played the Panthers @ Chicago and got boo’d during the game for their poor performance. After the game Cutler said “I don’t blame them… I would’ve boo’d too.” How did the team respond to this? They used it as motivation and the following week they destroyed the Titans.

  122. By john 61 on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    they cant get to 8and 8 with these coaches,musgrave has to go,ponder might get things worked out with a better coaching staf,you say its his 2nd year look at the, frist year qb with good coaches,been a fan for 40 years ,ad and harvin will be worn out before these coaches get it right i have a lot of hope there young

  123. By BE SANE AND SERIOUS on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Immure, are you Ricky in disguise? How old are you? I don’t have time to school you. You have little coherency in your arguments. Pulling Ponder from the game is more like pulling your date or spouse to the side to discuss in private something– rather than announce to a room your issues. Having the coach take me to the side is much less rattling than feeling the collective negative hate of 60,000 people.

  124. By john 61 on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    we will beat the bears,they have had a lot of luck,vikes are a good team , with the right coaches,they just need to get back to playing ball like they know how to,like at the start ,of the season, have faith there a very young team that is a mess right now,they will see the light, and prove you bashers worng

  125. By Immure on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Titus- No I’m not Ricky. What you said to him just bugged me and there was no real reason for you to say it to him other than just being mean spirited. People make grammatical errors on this site all the time and you don’t say peep half the time to them. But when a kid does it you go after him.

    I started off today discussing that fans should voices their pleasure and/or displeasure with a player/team when they feel its appropriate. Because its their right to do so. And that was my point.

    Yes, I do think that getting boo’d and pulled from a game can have the same effect (which is a negative effect) on a players confidence. And it can be used as motivational tool. It all depends on how the player in question decides to view it as and rebound from it. But I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree on the subject.

  126. By Parkway on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Ooooo pwned

  127. By liito on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    In my opinion,
    1. Percy should be rested and not risk further injury going to the bye.
    2. If Ponder panics and regresses, relieve him.
    3. It’s time for the other receivers to step up.
    4. Let’s hear from the quarterback’s coach, the wide receivers’ coach, and Mr. Spielman.

  128. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Well, you don’t know me for jack, Immure. Ironic, but this is a true story – Today, I was cycling near one of the city lakes near dusk when a child was crying and walking— no one around in sight. I turned around and went to see what was wrong– he lost his family and it was a secluded area near the woods– I asked if they had a phone– then if he knew their number– then I said we can call them– and went for my phone. I stayed with the kid till one of his parents appeared. I saw some others — a man jogging just go by– no one around and a boy about 6-8 yrs of age crying, walking alone– that is unreal. You do not just go by when a child is alone.

  129. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    And if that Ricky really is a little kid, then maybe I overreacted, but we don’t really know that— and why on vikings.com during school hours? That is a fair question. Or more likely it is someone posing as a kid.

  130. By Shawn on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    u do if he’s a packer fan

  131. By Immure on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Titus- I never claimed to know the type of person you are in real life. I was just going off of how reacted to him. And your right there is always the chance he’s just someone posing a kid.

  132. By Indium Immure on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Shawn- Its spelled “you.”

    I’m just kidding I don’t care how you spell it.

  133. By Shawn on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    … T … you …. V …. double you ?

  134. By Vlad19 on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Just reading this blog is sometimes fun in itself! Hilarious…. especially all the parts where someone is trying to say Ponder is good… or he will be fine…. he only needs “talent” surrounding him…

    Like That STUD Harvin???? Like that mega stud Peterson, who the WHOLE FRIGGIN WORLD knows you key on him…?????

    Like the ALL STAR IN TRAINING, Kyle Rudolph????

    Like that stud we KNOW by his past performance with the Bengals and a REAL QB. Jerome Simpson????

    Only Ponder can make all that be average and of no impact.

    THAT is the funniest thing of all the banter on this site.

  135. By Parkway on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    LOL great points as always Vlad. Luck would have 350 yards a game minimum with the talent we have on offense.

  136. By Parkway on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    I think what they are trying to say is if we had Harvin, Megatron, Fitzgerald, Mike Wallace, Rudolph, Gronk, and Andre Johnson. Then he could probably get over 100 yards a game. Only maybe though….

  137. By VA Vike Fan on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    We need a REAL starting QB, a proven number 1 receiver, and a whole heap of good defensive players for next yr

  138. By VA Vike Fan on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    I wanna know how Brandon Marshall slipped past us to the Bears..they gave Miami something like a 3rd rd draft pick for one of the top receivers in the game today! Where were WE during the bidding?

  139. By animal26 on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    I wonder how Noodle arm ponder is going to disgrace the Vikings this week. This game is going to be slaughter and a ugly one to watch. 35-7 Lions. This is if Ponder is Starting. If they start Webb. I think it will be a 20-17 Vikings win.

  140. By animal26 on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    be a slaughter*

  141. By wacky on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    LIONS WILL BEAT US……… JUST DEAL WITH IT….I CAN’T BELEAVE THIS TEAM IS GETTING A NEW HOUSE WITH YEAR AFTER YEAR POOR PROFORMANCE!!!

  142. By dieseldog on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    After only half a season Andrew Luck has the colts on the rise……and to think that we (basically) traded a “Peterson knee injury” for the right NOT to draft him….makes me sick to my stomach.

  143. By Kathy P on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    We had a chance to pick up V.Jackson too; but NOOOOOOO ; they passed on him as well and he’s doing great right now. Yes, it would have cost the Vikings some cash but at least he’s a proven playmaker, unlike Simpson. Sometimes you have to spend the cash to get Quality, not just a body.

  144. By Kathy P on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Tomorrow, the Lions are going to be bringing 7-8 players off the line and blitzing Ponder. Do you think his Offensive Line will be able to stop them long enough to let him throw downfield, or are any of the WR’s going to be able to run the correct routes and be able to catch the ball if it is thrown to them. Im in serious doubt on both perspectives at this point. Bring up some of the guys from the practice squad and see what they have to offer. One never knows the wasted talent that might be just under the radar because they were uncreative enough with no imagination to at least try and use them to see what they could do.

  145. By OTKalil2012 on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    The Viking organization has the right GM in place in Spielman….

    Now Zygi has to find a head coach…And offensive coordinator…

    I like what A Williams has done for the Vikings on defense…Would like to see him stay…But that would be up to the new head coach and Spielman…

    Time for the Vikings to get a REAL head coach !!!…

    But just give the guy a 2 year deal starting out !!!…Enough of these big contracts…UNLESS these guys start proving themselves first !!!…

  146. By Kathy P on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    IF they attempt to find a new coach, I hope it will be to try and pull either Jon Gruden or Brian Billichick out of retirement and pay them the cash to come and actually do some “smash-mouth” football coaching. They would really light the fires under some of these players for sure. They have the passion for wanting to win football games, unlike the current status quo, shrugging their shoulders, and each week telling everyone “we just gotta play better”. That’s not exceptable anymore to fans who have stood by this team year in and year out, throughout all the ups and downs. It gets very frustrating when NO improvement happens week in and week out. If anything, the team is digressing and going backwards right now.

  147. By OTKalil2012 on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Harvin is out…I expect the Lions to do all they can to stop AP tomorrow…

    Yes…The Vikings have been seeing plenty of 8 man fronts of late…But I think those loaded lines were there, to stop the passing game…As much as the running…

    Vikings had Rudolf blocking on the edge…Mostly the past few games…DE’s were holding him up from getting out in the passing game…And others were shutting down the passing game to Harvin…And others were on stunts…Going after Ponder…

    I think the reason AP was running wild…Was because defenses were not keying on him..But on the short passing game…

    The only key for the Lions defense this Sunday…Will be AP and Rudolf…For Rudolf to be effective at all…He will have to split out on some plays…Pull some LB or safety coverage…

    Can Ponder get some plays out to Simpson and Wright this Sunday ???…

    I don’t trust our coaching at all anymore…To game plan anything…

    Just hope for the best…And expect the worst…

    Then maybe I can be surprised with the outcome…If the Vikings win… : )

  148. By OTKalil2012 on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Kathy P…

    Would love either of your 2 picks for head coach…Both know football !!!…

  149. By Kathy P on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    They interviewed Schwartz on the radio yesterday and he said that they will be focusing on “shutting down” AP. He probably thinks that they really dont have to worry about our “non-existant” passing game, just our rushing game. And with Suh playing the way that he does, IF something should happen to AP, our hopes would go with him. Right now, he seems to be the only play maker that can do anything against these teams now that Percy isnt in. How can a team get to this point? We have some veteran players that look like high-school players at times. They can’t get to the QB, one missed tackle after another. It’s just sad when your professional football team has only ONE player that they can depend on right now to deliver for them. We don’t have to look very far to see some good coaching and some good backup players. GB is having injury after injury, but somehow have adequate backups to fill in the gaps when someone is injured. We dont have that option. Why is that? Is it the GM/Coaches/Scouts? It’s quite frustrating to see this happening that’s all.

  150. By OTKalil2012 on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    The player talent is there…Spielman and the scouts are responsible for that…

    What is happening during the season is on the coaching…

  151. By 1vikingsfan on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    I would like to see job gruden he said that he wanted to comeback coaching. Why wouldn’t Vikings give him a chance? It can’t get worse

  152. By Spencer on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Samantha Steele has a stronger arm than Ponder..

  153. By OTKalil2012 on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    I love Chuckie’s PASSION for the game !!!…

    Something Frazier doesn’t want to show ??…The passion of the game is something Frazier seems to want to hide at all times ???…

    There are times passion and emotions should have some limits… yes…But not ALL the time…

  154. By OTKalil2012 on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    When Chucky talks on TV…You listen to what he says..And you start to believe in what he is saying…You get energy listening to the man…

    When is the last time you felt any energy…After listening to Frazier in a presser ???…

  155. By Frederick Jones on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Put JOE in the game!!!

  156. By Frederick Jones on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Joe Webb for Quarterback!!!

  157. By Frederick Jones on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Near where I live there is a daily newspaper where the lead sports editor claims we must s.t.i.c.k with Ponder to see if we have an NFL caliber Quarterback.

    Jones thinks that sports editor has about as many brains as G.O.D. gave a beetle.

    Why would a coach keep playing a quarterback that will cost him his job? I could see starting Ponder. Give him a half to “explode.” But if he doesn’t, bring in Joe Webb.

    If it hurts Ponder’s confidence, then he’ll never have enough to play in the NFL any way!!!

  158. By OTKalil2012 on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Webb could have started this week…Give Ponders nerves a chance to settle down..Gain back some confidence and composure…Having 2 weeks getting away from things…Clear his mind a little…

    But if that was the case…Webb should have been looked at as the starting QB this Sunday…Having full reps with the first team all week long…

    Should Webb be play this week ???..I don’t know…But if he does…It will be because of another coaching error…Because putting Webb in there, without having him practice for it…Would be setting the Webb up failure…Not success…imo

  159. By dieseldog on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    I agree with Frederick…..if Ponder doesn’t produce against the lions at least spare him any further embarassment by giving Webb a chance. If I were the coach I would have both Webb and BMT ready….might as well see what we have with those two guys also.

  160. By OTKalil2012 on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    *up for

  161. By Frederick Jones on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    @Parkway,

    I read the Tom Pelissero article on Ponder. Jones SEES that Pelissero thinks and writes the same way most idiotic media members talk. He doesn’t go beyond the QB position. (Oh, yes he comments on receivers…same difference)

    What about the offensive line. Talk about something we CANNOT SEE, not the things that are obvious to any 400 pound man eating Doritos!

  162. By Parkway on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    The offensive line doesn’t matter if you have a QB too stupid to do anything useful. You don’t think Tom Brady would be thriving in our offense or Manning (either one) or any other good QB??? Anyone with a brain can clearly see Ponder has NO IDEA what he is doing out there.

  163. By Frederick Jones on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    @Kalil and Dieseldog,

    YES…Webb should be practicing with the #1 team, or it’s probably somewhat silly to start him against Detroit.

    But he still would be better than Ponder, and Ponder needs to SEE where, what, why, when, and who he is messing up with. Ponder needs to sit for a game or two.

    Meanwhile JOE gives us a chance to win a game…another game this year.

    Is the Offensive Line as bad as advertised in protecting for the throwing game? They can block for A.D., but not for the throws? *Note: Schwartz has been playing more than earlier this season, and the results have included several long runs by A.D.

    JOE is a better fit at QB for these MN Vikings.

  164. By dieseldog on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Vikings picked up George Johnson DE:…..(another mayo clinic pick up).

    “Bucs placed DE George Johnson on injured reserve with a knee injury, ending his season.The reserve lineman had to be carted to the locker room in Sunday’s loss to the Saints. He tallied just two tackles in four games this season. DT John McCargo has been re-signed to take his roster spot. Mon, Nov 14, 2011 03:47:00 PM”
    ……when will the insanity end?

  165. By dieseldog on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    ….wouldn’t a one legged receiver make more sense?

  166. By Frederick Jones on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    @Parkway,

    You misunderstood my comments. I was being critical of the media for constantly harping on the QB. Fans now have the same mentality after being raised on it for decades.

    We don’t need to be told that the QB’s “accuracy” is off. We can SEE that. Anyone can. I’m asking announcers to tell us about the parts of football we are literally unable to see.

    This means the Offensive Line play, and also the blocking by Tight Ends, and Fullbacks. Tell us what the defensive line did, or the formation which caused the OLine to miss blocks? That is what we cannot see as onlookers.

    Don’t just tell us that Brady/Rodgers/etc. threw a great pass. Give credit to his offensive line because THEY did it, so that the glory men could perform.

  167. By Frederick Jones on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    @Parkway,

    Jones still has the audacity to say that the reason McNabb was throwing the football into the ground last year was mostly due to the Offensive Line.

    McNabb was not a great thrower last year. But behind a Brady/Rodgers line he gets the job done, and doesn’t drill the ball into the turf as often.

    You can take that to the bank!!!

  168. By OTKalil2012 on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    I didn’t say it was silly to start Webb this week ???…

    Might be a good idea to have sat Ponder this Sunday…Clear the young QB’s head a little, with the bye week coming up…

    But then plan on starting Webb this week then…If that would have been the decision…And have Webb practice with the first team…And get his timing down…

    If they do give Webb a shot…Let it be something he can prepare for…Not just hold over Ponders head…If Ponder happens to fail, scenario…

    Set QB’s up for success…Not ridicule them for failure…

  169. By Frederick Jones on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    @dieseldog,

    Does it say how much we paid for Johnson? You never can tell, it might be a good deal for the Vikings.

  170. By Frederick Jones on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    @Kalil,

    Jones agrees with that approach.

  171. By OTKalil2012 on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Fred…You a SO right about the O-line right now also…

    There isn’t a QB in the league…That can throw a ball to receivers that are not open…And with an O-line missing blocks, like ours has the past 3 weeks…

  172. By OTKalil2012 on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    *a=are

  173. By Parkway on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Our O line isn’t great, but it seems so much worse because Ponder doesn’t know how to step up into the pocket and throw a pass.

  174. By OTKalil2012 on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Pressures have been mostly, up the middle…Or from the right side of the line…But with middle pressure..There is no pocket to step up into…

    Vikings have very few designed roll outs ???…And don’t start trying to roll out Ponder or move him around…Unless he has already been slapped around already in a game…

    Then its to late…He is already rattled and making mistakes…

    It all comes back to coaching…

  175. By Parkway on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    You side step and move up. Don’t give Ponder so many excuses

  176. By BlueBird7 on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Parkway

    Ponder may not throw a pass very well, but his Girlfriend does. Sam throws him good ones every day or night, Does he catch them? Sometimes. I guess.

  177. By OTKalil2012 on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    A hundred people can watch the same play…Each will have a different opinion…

    None are wrong…Few are right…But thats football…

  178. By Parkway on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    By Vlad19 on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply
    Just reading this blog is sometimes fun in itself! Hilarious…. especially all the parts where someone is trying to say Ponder is good… or he will be fine…. he only needs “talent” surrounding him…
    Like That STUD Harvin???? Like that mega stud Peterson, who the WHOLE FRIGGIN WORLD knows you key on him…?????
    Like the ALL STAR IN TRAINING, Kyle Rudolph????
    Like that stud we KNOW by his past performance with the Bengals and a REAL QB. Jerome Simpson????
    Only Ponder can make all that be average and of no impact.
    THAT is the funniest thing of all the banter on this site.

  179. By chris b on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    I think we should start ponder but is he deosnt show any improvement pull him at halftime. Put webb in and see what he can do. Probally wont be much of an improvement but at least it will show ponder he can lose his job.

  180. By Vlad19 on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    I keep reading the remarks about our O-line, and while only SOME is legitimate complaint, most here ignore the QBs role in passblocking success.

    Facts – when you rush 4, we have advantage and generally manage. But the gameplan on Vikings has been exposed because Ponder cannot handle the blitz, lives in panic and does not pick up blitz or hot read. When Defense brings 5, you have man on man numbers, and then only based upon one guy beating the other do we give up the sack….. but we RAREY see us beat the man coverage in the pass game! THAT is on a QB as much as a receiver, because this is the NFL – getting half a step is OPEN in NFL, while Ponder is afraid to throw that ball.

    THEN< when defense blitzes 2 or MORE, we have at least ONE guy without coverage. It is MATH, it is FACT if we are blocking with 5 standard….. BUT no one has faith n Ponder so they keep the extra TE in to block, keeping us in the timed routes and getting it out in 3 seconds.

    Ponder has show he CAN'T.

  181. By Vlad19 on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Then Ponder doesn’t sit tight and hit the hot read, the free man. He also has a tendency to drift back beyond the pocket and exposes himself up high, and also stretches the pocket longer causing more “holes”.

    So the criticism of the line is only so much the O-line’s fault. NOT KNOWING WHERE PONDER WILL BE has much to do with the success of a line – those QBs that the line KNOW he is in the pocket in 3-5 or 7 steps drops, they tend to be “better” line than those who have no clue where or what their QB is doing back there.

    Sad part is, Ponder doesn’t know what he is doing either.

  182. By BlueBird7 on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    We will find out in Sunday’s game what Ponder will do.

    One thing for sure if Ponder throws int to the enemy, all you will see is White Jersey’s heading for our goal post!

  183. By BlueBird7 on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Those rascals will then go up to Ponder and give him a High Five.

  184. By Kathy P on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    I totally agree with you Vlad19. BUT, I think we all know what Detroits gameplan will be tomorrow. Will Ponder/OL be able to pick up the blitzes, will Ponder have enough time to throw, will the WR’s be able to open themselves up? At this point Im not sure of any of these factors. Maybe it’s the communication between QB/OL and the coaching staff. Not sure, but when they are looking like they are “lost in translation” something needs to be addressed.

  185. By OTKalil2012 on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Here are a just a few quotes, I have heard from announcers watching games the past few weeks…

    “Wow, how did Ponder get that ball to Simpson on that slant route..That was tight coverage”…”Well Ponder is having a rough game..But to Ponder’s credit…The O-line isn’t holding up under the pass rush very well…And the WR’s are not getting any separation on their routes”…

    You can believe one thing…If there would have been ANY receivers running open…At anytime the last 3 weeks with Ponder struggling…They would have shown those receivers open on replays..OVER AND OVER again…Have anyone seen any “isolated” replays of Viking receivers getting open on the field of play ???…

    I haven’t…But have been patiently waiting for them…Because if they were there…The media would be showing them…They love making QB’s look bad…That’s what they do !!!…

    So if its not on tape, that Ponders missing plays…Maybe its not happening ???…

    Either that…Or show me the tape…Of all these WR’s Ponder is missing being open ???…In his spare time, while he isn’t being sacked…

  186. By Kathy P on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    I did see one play where Percy was wide open down the field and Ponder threw to the opposite side of the field for an incomplete pass(almost another interception). The announcer did mention that fact about Percy being wide open and Ponder not even looking in his direction. Ponder apparently has trouble with being able to or doesnt have the time to do check-downs with his receivers. Either that, or he literally is just following Musgrave’s plays and “doing what he is told to do” which is really quite scary dont you think?

  187. By OTKalil2012 on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Kathy…

    There was the one play…Ponder under threw the ball to Percy…But got an interference call on the defense…

    But I do not recall the play you just mentioned though…

  188. By Spencer on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Kathy- Ponder just isn’t a good quarterback, there were multiple times this season when a WR was wide open but Ponder didn’t pull the trigger.

  189. By Woodboat on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Someone said something about us having the league leading tackler on our squad. Thats kind of a dubious honor, in our case. To me, it points to the fact that our defense can’t get off the field on 3rd down. That, and our offense gets way too many 3 and outs.

  190. By OTKalil2012 on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    I don’t think Ponder is allowed to even call an audible ??

    Even if he did see flaw in the defense…

    Childress never allowed a QB to call an audible…Unless it was to a running play…At least until Favre showed up…

    And Frazier is Childress’s pupil to the head coaching position…Like it or not…

    I doubt Frazier allows his QB any freedom either…

  191. By Kathy P on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    I agree with you both. But, what if anything is being done to coach this kid, and who is responsible for him not picking up the reads? Someone is dropping the ball on this one. Maybe bringing in a mentor like Favre would help him, just dont know. Just super frustrated that’s all.

  192. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Don’t boo Ponder. He is not at fault. I feel he is overly micromanaged by Musgrave who knows too much- inflates Ponder’s psyche with so many factors to watch that Ponder loses all chance for natural synthesis in the moment of unfolding changes once battle begins. And if Ponder is not our QB, well, again, don’t blame the kid– he was put in that position by others.

  193. By Kathy P on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Titus,
    I am not putting the blame solely on Ponder. There is a MAJOR breakdown with this team and it starts from above and rolls down the hill. They keep telling everyone that they need to make adjustments. Well, I havent seen any adjustments in the last (4) games. They dont have any creativity/imagination to DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT; TRY SOMETHING NEW!!! It’s the lackidasical attitude of these coaches and their “oh well” sense of defeatism that has got alot of people upset.

  194. By OTKalil2012 on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Kathy…

    Soooo funny you should say that…My son just dropped by…Just mentioned to him how fun it would be, if Favre was the Vikings offensive coordinator after the bye week !!!…

    It least, THAT would be interesting…I can hear the Packer fans SQUEALING in pain already !!!…hahaha…

  195. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Kathy, the point of my post was identical to yours.

  196. By Kathy P on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    OT,
    Yes, it would be hillarious wouldnt it? Then they would protest him for sure being inducted into their “ring of fame”. Pretty rabid fans they are, but most of us fall into that category as well.

  197. By OTKalil2012 on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Kathy..

    If Favre did come in and be OC ???…

    I could only DREAM of the look on Ted Thompson’s face…When he found out about it !!!…

    No sense planting the knife in the someones back for pain…Unless you , twist it every now and then for increased pleasure… : /

    PRICELESS !!!!…hahaha…

  198. By OTKalil2012 on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Favre loves the fans in GB…But hates Teddy…

  199. By Kathy P on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Oh, but they would turn on him like “rats following the Pied Piper of Hamlin” LOL …Only difference they’d come in and swarm him like bees. Yes, I know there is no love lost between those two; that was very evident when he played for the Vikings. Oh, by and by, I think that whoever is in charge of the scouting prospects isnt very informed either. Is it Speilman? I think they need to hold auditions and maybe get some scouts who actually take the time to thoroughly examine the potential prospects in the draft next yr.

  200. By OTKalil2012 on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Kathy…

    Who didn’t you like in this years draft ???…This year is the first year, that Spielman had last say in who was to be drafted…And when…

    I personally liked this years picks…

  201. By OTKalil2012 on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    When Favre left GB…He wanted to play QB in the north division…Just to get back at Thompson…And to still compete against Rodgers…

    I just think…Favre might be happy to still be a pest in the NFC north division as an offensive coordinator…

    He could still game plan ways of beating Thompson and Rodgers…And would not even have to take the hits on his body anymore…

    Favre LOVES competition…I doubt that his competitive spirit of Favre has gone into retirement…Even though his gunslinger arm of his has…

  202. By OTKalil2012 on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Later all…Have a great day…

  203. By Vlad19 on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    kalil, you have turned into Ponder’s apologist. YES there were MANY open receivers, and NO, announcers don’t always beat the dead horse. Bringing it to the attention is only so worthwhile in game.

    FACT kalil, in ANY blitz scheme, there is someone UNCOVERED in high safety scheme – there aren’t enough guys to cover all receivers FACT – do the math. So you don’t need an announcer or a camera to show you – however, if you really knew what to look for, you would have seen Rudolph open a LOT on blitz scheme….

    BUT Ponder wanted to throw to his personal “binkie” his security blanket, Harvin.

    Watch game film, NOT TV and you will see this, but without that convenience, KNOW the numbers based upon SCHEME and you will undoubtedly KNOW we have at least one guy open. Fact.

    Ponder blows like a hurricane.

  204. By Vlad19 on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    A QB has as much to do with the success of throwing OUT of blitz schemes as any line.

    He NEEDS to read a D, then SEE the adjustments in game, then he needs to be able to read the rotation (if any) of Defenses at snap, then he needs to get the ball out quick to his open receiver, and YES, in almost EVERY instance of blitz there is one open when playing ANY high safety – otherwise you have man to man at worst scenario, and inside shoulder at release on LB blitz IS the pass you throw.

    If a D tries to outnumber an O-line in blitz scheme, there is always offensive players outnumbering defensive players in secondary. It is in the numbers. It is football fact, as they play 11 on 11.

  205. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Get a life people.

  206. By ponder, aka 3 and out on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    i agree, Ponder does blow

  207. By ponder, aka 3 and out on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    i have a idea, Ponder can throw a 2 yard pass to himself

  208. By ponder, aka 3 and out on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    why do the Vikings always pick a sub=par 3rd sting qb?

  209. By BlueBird7 on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    He would drop it.

  210. By vikingsfan1963 on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    ya well bottom line here is I hope AP don’t get hurt this weekend because harvin won’t be playing and they put it all on him like they have before..everyone needs to step up this weekend and that means ponder as well…if not another games down the hole and we got 2 games with the bears and then 2 with the packers yet to play and playoff’s ?? well let’s wait and see lol…

  211. By Vlad19 on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Titus, I find it ironic, that you tell others to “get a life” yet I believe you might be the most heavily posted blogger on this site.

    Maybe you mean only those of us who are talking about tactical things of football and explaining WHY Ponder is bad, not just random remarks or complaint. Maybe we are all supposed to offer simple, banal humorist remarks…. I don’t know. But since it is a football blog, I choose to talk about football.

    I like your sense of humor, but sometimes you try to be the conscience of the blog, and that just doesn’t work. Too many personalities to try such a rodeo.

    Otherwise, “hail caesar”

  212. By Vlad19 on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    vikingfans63, we can only hope and pray. If Peterson were to go down, imagine a backfield of Ponder and Toby Gearhart…. and we can’t throw…. then suddenly we have a between the tackles running back with fullback speed and agility (meaning none)…..

    Wow, you have all heard of nuclear winter…. this would be “Peterson winter” for Vikings. Ponder might not throw for 40 yards a game…. might not get that WITH Peterson.

    Yes, damaged Peterson would make watching Vikings a laughable event and scary if you love Vikings football! Crossing fingers and toes now!

  213. By OTKalil2012 on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Vlad…

    I understand your 11 on 11 concept…When the blitz comes…That does leaves an offensive player “somewhere” open…

    But that only happens if the QB has time to throw the hot read…And the blitz doesn’t get to the QB to quickly…Many of the defensive blitz packages thrown at the Vikings have had Ponder flushed the past few weeks, if not sacked…Blitzes have came through the line “untouched” by the O-line…And AP has barely touched those blitzes..If at all…Not even enough to redirect those players…

    Loadholt even had 2 defensive players outside his T spot last week…And let both players come on the blitz untouched ???…

    At least one of those players was Loadholt’s responsibility…

    Just many problems all over the team…Hope to see a good game tomorrow going into the bye…

  214. By Amendment to Curb Booing on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Officially fall in line with the movement to stop harassment of football players.

  215. By BE SANE AND SERIOUS on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Oh, and by the way, Vlad, get a life.

  216. By ponder, aka 3 and out on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Luck can locate the hot read with no problem, why can’t Ponder, it’s his 2nd year, Luck is a rookie, and quit blaming the OC! this is all on Ponder

  217. By DrinkHeavy on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Man this is like beating a dead horse. Let’s go over it one more time:

    1. Ponder is a 2nd year QB and has a lot to learn, especially reading coverages and learning what he needs to do when he doesn’t have 2.5 seconds.
    2. Stats don’t lie. The OL needs to give our QB more time. Only 7 more teams have given up more sacks than us so far this year. Two of those teams – GB has Rogers & great receivers; Chicago has a great defense – are able to overcome it. Eventually, it will catch up with them if they make it to the playoffs.
    3. Under blitz pressure, we need to realize that receivers need to be equally smart to recognize the blitz and get on the same page as Ponder. Right now, teams are taking away CP’s go-to guys in those situations, KR and Percy.
    4. When you have a all-star RB and a 2nd year QB who is still learning on the job, you play to your strengths and rely on the run. If that’s the way Frazier and co want to game plan, we’re gonna need AP to have at least 25 touches for >100yds and a much better defensive effort to keep games close.

    So hang in there my fellow Vikings fans..we’re all frustrated by the last several years. This is a Spielman-Frazier production right now, and at the end of the year, if we don’t see progress on BOTH sides of the ball, by all means let’em have it. They will have fully deserved all the venom you can throw their way. But until then, keep some cold ones close to your favorite chair and try to find something to cheer about during the game this weekend.
    GO VIKES!

  218. By BE SANE AND SERIOUS on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Ponder will be a very good quarterback in the near future. Period. He just needs the right fit at coach.

  219. By Spencer on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    sandiamond- Johnny Football is going to town against y’all. 21-0 at the end of the first, the Aggies are on a mission. Bama’s on UpsetAlert

  220. By ponder, aka 3 and out on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Ponder is still 4th round material, what a waste of a number 12 pick

  221. By BE SANE AND SERIOUS on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    There is a higher knowledge than empirical understanding. Don’t be an animal. See beyond your senses.

  222. By Vlad19 on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    kalil, I don’t argue that some failure falls on a line, and Peterson for that matter (the guy is a beast hitting people when running, but a pushover when in blitz support, admitted) my point and one that not many either understand or just ignore, the QB has a job to do to get success in the blitz packages. Ponder fails miserably.

    You take the great ones and the good ones, they LOVE seeing blitzes.

    The HOT read is also a read by the receiver, he needs to recognize he is the guy and turns his route to check down or inside route to vacated space. ALSO sometimes a problem if the receiver doesn’t read blitz. However, Rudolph did all he was supposed to do and was open a ton…. Ponder was so busy wanting Harvin he missed the HOT read that was Rudolph. And hot reads are generally the quick instant release at blitz recognition, so holding the ball too long is also on Ponder!

    There were couple where Ponder held the ball too long and replays DID show Harvin open on crossing routes, etc. This is Ponder’s shortfall, and it is deathly bad. So his 60-70 yards days are almost entirely HIS fault because he is afraid and panicky and doesn’t have necessary the cool or reads necessary – called competency when talking in generalities. opponents scheme to his shortcomings, it is easy to see. Only Ponder reacting well in reads can it get better.

    My bet is it won’t get much better.

  223. By OTKalil2012 on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    I hear if Webb retires after this season…The fans want to erect a statue of a “golden clipboard” in his honor, outside of the new Vikings stadium…

    For all the achievements Webb has done from the sidelines this season…

    And for Ponder after this season over, will be elected to the “hall of blame” from the fan base..

    For trying to do his best for the team this season..On the field…

    huh…???

  224. By Spencer on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Really hard to make a name for yourself in just 4 games OT, just look at Ponder….hes played 19 and he still hasn’t made a name for his-self.

  225. By Vlad19 on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Be sane and be serious – I have yet to read something of merit from you, so I consider your shot a compliment. Thanks.

    As for a life, because I am more about the analytical game, I don’t have a life? Not so, I have two businesses and a family and coach Little League as well. Just happen to take a more analytical approach to football commentary.

    Don’t mind a good debate. You however offer none. So no need to jaw with me, I like Kalil and his take – and his willingness to argue his point. It is the point of a football blog after all, to incite football talk.

    As for a life – I am in Costa Rica right now, working on one of my business projects. You are simply trying to offend a poster on a blog. Who is not living a life?

  226. By OTKalil2012 on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Vlad…

    I get your points…But the blitz getting through does another thing…

    It gets into the QB’s head…And that has happened to Ponder…

    I am sure Ponder has missed some plays…I just have not seen many…For what time he has had to throw the ball…To that of open receivers…

    Add everything together…There is trouble all over this team right now…

    I have no problem sitting Christian…Just would like to see Webb start the game…And get practice in all week with the first team…If Webb is to play…

  227. By Frederick Jones on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    @Kalil,

    A few posts back you stated that “a hundred people could watch a play, and get a hundred different opinions.” I am not going to say that’s wrong because it depends on where the people are watching it from!!!

    My gripes are with the ESPNs that only talk about the quarterback. They have 90% of football fans thinking it’s all about the QB.

    The last time I checked there were 22 players on the field at a time. If the QB is so important, what is the function of the other 21?

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  228. By OTKalil2012 on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Spencer…

    Sooner or later…Webb will get his chance to play…

    But don’t you want the coaches to prepare Webb when he gets that start ???…

    I hate seeing QB’s looking over their shoulders in games…Because of coaches, threatening to pull the plug on QB’s for bad play…

    It just adds another worry…To with what they are dealing with on the field already…

  229. By OTKalil2012 on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Fred…

    You got that right…

    Have to admit…It is hard myself at times watching the whole field of play…When I try hard…

    A fans eyes are trained on the player who has the ball in their hands, most of the time…

    I enjoy the O-line play…Like you Fred…I like seeing the game in the trenches…

    Lots to watch…All at one time…Best game ever invented !!!

  230. By Shawn on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    OTK … love the Joe Webb statue idea. :)

  231. By Vlad19 on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    I agree with you Kalil, there are number of things going on here, but hear me out. This is empirical as well, it is built into schemes and WHY fundamentals are as they are, irrefutable:

    IF Ponder were predictable and pocket passer and PATIENT (his rushes out of the pocket are sometimes HIS doing, HIS choice when NOT under the pressure he feels – this kind of speaks to your remark about it being in his head) there would be better consistency in his O-line. KNowing where your QB is and his tendencies is integral to success of a line and passing game. A QB’s ability to read a defense has everything to do with his success and timely release of the ball, this in 3-5 or 7 step drops.

    But IF a QB stays within the fundamentals, the line usually performs better – Ponder stretches the pocket because of fear and bad habits and this provides pass rush more and bigger holes…. but Ponder loves the big open range, and that is NOT found in many pockets, so he takes off or backs himself out of protection pocket. Bad thing to do.

    If Ponder were to clean up his pocket ability the line would APPEAR to improve and they would have more success. Just watch Ben Rothlisberger in the pocket. Not a very good line, small and active “pocket” Ben moves within and stays within to the last second and delivers. And it is easy to say he has been successful. He is a good study of a guy who uses and stays within his pocket to get the most out of it.

  232. By Shawn on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Im not for Webb starting the game. Im not delusional, Ponder is a better QB in the traditional sense. However if Ponder doesnt have 50 yards passing at the start of the 4th quarter and we are behind …

    GIVE JOE WEBB A CHANCE TO WIN THE GAME !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  233. By Shawn on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    My fellow Vikings fans … I would like to propose a Constitutional Amendment

    Something like this

    If the QB of the Minnesota Vikings has less than 100 yards passing at the start of the 4th quarter AND the Minnesota Vikings have less points than their opponent. The coach must pull the no talent QB and allow Joe Webb a chance to win the game.

    All in favor say Aye

  234. By Shawn on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Career comparison as Vikings

    Ponder … 19 starts … 59% completion … 76 QBR … 346 yards rushing
    TJack … 20 starts … 58% completion … 76 QBR … 535 yards rushing
    Webb … 3 starts … 57% completion … 66 QBR … 273 yards rushing

  235. By Shawn on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Ok a little research Shows TJa’ck was as good if not slightly better than Ponder and Joe We’bb has only had 1 game comparable to Ponders cra’p

    Here is a list of games under 120 yards … minimum of 15 attempts … since 2007

    09/11/11 … McNabb … 7-15 … 39yds … 1TD-1INT
    10/21/12 … Ponder … 10-17 … 58yds … 1TD-2INT
    11/04/12 … Ponder … 11-22 … 63yds … 0TD-1INT
    10/21/07 … TJa’ck … 6-19 … 72yds … 0TD-0TD
    12/11/11 … We’bb … 12-23 … 84yds … 1TD-0INT (off the bench – only time)
    10/28/07 … Ho’lco’mb … 7-16 … 88yds … 1TD-0INT
    10/16/11 … Ponder … 9-17 … 99yds … 0TD-0INT
    09/13/09 … Favre … 14-21 … 110yds … 1TD-0INT
    09/30/12 … Ponder … 16-26 … 111yds … 0TD-0INT
    12/11/11 … Ponder … 11-21 … 115yds … 2TD-3INT
    10/17/10 … Favre … 14-19 … 118yds … 1TD-0INT
    12/13/10 … TJa’ck … 15-30 … 118yds … 0TD-1INT
    11/23/08 … Frerotte … 12-20 … 120yds … 0TD-1INT
    12-18-11 … Ponder … 14-31 … 120yds … 2TD-1INT (6x on this list)

    everything else was either less than 15 attempts and more than 120 yards ’07-’12

  236. By Shawn on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    ADRIAN PETERSON IS A GAME CHANGER

    PERCY HARVIN IS A GAME CHANGER

    JOE WEBB IS A GAME CHANGER

  237. By Shawn on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    When Ponder cant beat the blitz … Joe Webb can

  238. By Shawn on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

  239. By Shawn on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    8

  240. By OTKalil2012 on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Vlad…

    Totally agree with that last post…

    Lets just hope no matter who plays QB for the Vikings…The coaches do their best to have them ready to play…And give them the best opportunity to win…

  241. By Vlad19 on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Good post shawn. Very telling. I would say, given that spread of years and games and the repetitive contributor being Christian Ponder, I would think that prevalence alone suggests the truth of his inability. 6 of 14 have been Ponder….. and that also means 6 of 19 games he has started/played, he has been the bottom producer.

    Don’t understand the argument on Ponder. How much bad football must this guy play to get the clipboard lounger?

    I hope he can play big, hope he can shut me up, (as some on this blog also hope) as this would mean Viking success. I just seriously doubt it.

    Vikes missed with this pick and “sneaking up” on this draft selection has proven very faulty. But good luck Christian. Going to need it without Harvin!

  242. By BlueBird7 on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Vlaid19

    Yes, Bears–2 times GB 2–times AND going south at the Texans-1 time.

    Those guys in the 10 gallan hats will take Ponder apart to see if he ticks.

  243. By Parkway on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Maybe Favre can bring his HS QB he coached to start for us. I bet he can complete 5 yard p@sses.

  244. By Shawn on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    the detroit game is a must win … if we lose we have no shot at the playoffs

    if we win … and we beat the rams … that is 7 wins … then we would still need 3 wins vs GB, Chi, and Houston … any combo out of 5 games

    playoffs are a long shot with this team at this point but if we lose to detroit its over johnny

  245. By Vlad19 on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    HA! BlueBird.. great imagery… I saw myself in 10th grade biology, taking that stupid frog apart….

    Pulling Mr Ponder out of the formaldehyde and dropping him in the stainless steal tray…

  246. By Parkway on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Shawn it’s a must lose to get a top ten draft pick

  247. By Vlad19 on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Parkway, I can complete 5 yard pa$$es at 54 years old….. Favre’s high schooler would make Ponder whimper for the clipboard….

  248. By Shawn on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Parkway … i never think that way. I always want a win. The only way Id want a loss is if it was last game of the season and a loss helped us for the draft.

    We are still above .500 and we have beat one of the best teams in the league. The team is playing awful right now but we are still above .500. We still have a shot at playoffs … im not thinking draft.

  249. By Shawn on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Plus Frazier needs to win 8 to keep my support … I like Frazier but he needs to win 8.

  250. By Shawn on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    and FIRE MUSGRAVE

  251. By Parkway on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Well we aren’t winning any games against the Bears, Packers, or Texans so 7-9 isn’t getting us in the playoffs so might as well go 5-11 for that top pick, get Musgrave and Frazier fired.

  252. By Shawn on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Id rather be 7-9 … thats at least improvement … 5-11 means nothing. i hate losing and the draft is a cr’ap shoot

    not sure how you can hope for losing when we are above .500 and still in the hunt.

    I think we could pull off a couple wins vs Chi and GB … divisional games are generally close and Chicago doesnt blitz much. GB defense has weaknesses. GB has pass protection issues …

    WE ARE ABOVE .500 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  253. By Shawn on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    We have AP and Percy Harvin … if the defense and Ponder can just get back to what they did the first 4 weeks … we have a shot

    we are above .500 , how can you give up already?

  254. By Parkway on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Have you watched the Vikings play? It’s insane to think that after losing to bad teams that we could do anything against good playoff teams. I’m not hoping for losses, it’s just inevitable.

  255. By Parkway on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    If Webb starts the rest of the year, then we could win some games.

  256. By Vlad19 on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Shawn, I side with Parkway on this. I just haven’t seen enough “growth” from Ponder and have seen far too much absurdity.

    And the D is not deep and spending 35-40 minutes on the field, you make them quitters physically and the chasing of leads makes them quitters emotionally. Not enough talent in the D unit to stay better than opponents. Only comes in moments, but this team NEEDS the lead.

    The D knows Ponder ain’t bringing anyone back from a 4th quarter deficit.

    This doubt is systemic, and when it gets like that, it is defacto result. This is why I see this the way parkway sees it – regrettably.

  257. By Shawn on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Yes I have watched the team play. We beat the 49ers, a playoff team. We have game changers. Just need better play from the QB and the Defense and we have a shot.

    I have seen the Defense and the QB play better than they have the last 4 weeks … I have seen it this season, so I know they are capable.

    We still have a fair shot at the playoffs … not good but fair. It starts tomorrow in a must win vs Detroit.

  258. By Shawn on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Well I cant throw in the towel when we are above .500 thats ridiculous. You have valid concerns but if Ponder brings his “A” game he is solid. He did have 2 4th quarter comebacks earlier this season … one fell short and 1 he pulled out.

    Ponder on his “A” game along with Peterson and Harvin give us a chance. As long as the D holds.

  259. By Parkway on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Harvin isn’t going to play Sunday… so I’m not sure why you are including him…

  260. By Parkway on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    The Lions will put 10 in the box and blitz all day and force Ponder to actually make a play. I see it being a very, very, very embarrassing day for Ponder…

  261. By Vlad19 on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Can’t argue that point Shawn. It would just seem out of present character, and without Harvin…. hate being the rainy day, I really do. But anyting is possible I guess. I cheer for victory as well! Drafts come and go, and always want the win!

  262. By Parkway on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Even when Ponder was throwing for 50 yards the past few weeks, how many of those were YAC from Harvin?? Most of them? I can’t imagine what those numbers will be when he doesn’t have the YAC machine.

  263. By Shawn on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Better to play Detroit without Harvin than Chi or GB

  264. By Shawn on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    it would be nice to see Jarius Wright have a good game and see him become a factor for the rest of the season … maybe Jerome starts to get his legs under him after a rough start

  265. By Shawn on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    maybe Frazier taught Musgrave some nice route combos. i cant wait to see the game tomorrow.

    I know Frazier knows the problems … see if he gets improvement tomorrow.

  266. By Shawn on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    maybe Musgrave will change it up and call a bubble screen to Peterson

  267. By Spencer on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

  268. By Shawn on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    at this point Id like to see Simpson and Harvin on the outsides and Wright in the slot

    Harvin can play outside no matter what he is a beast

  269. By Immure on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    You got to keep in mind that the Packers and Bears have had some poor games this season as well. The Packers also have losses to Seattle and Indy, and the Bears barely beat Carolina a couple weeks ago.

    Like Shawn said If the defense and Ponder both step up their games we have a good shot of at least splitting the series with them.

  270. By Parkway on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    About time, see if they use him like Harvin. He’ll need a big game. Supposedly Simpson has his “juice” back http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/09/jerome-simpson-says-he-has-his-juice-back/

    So we’ll see what that results in.

  271. By BE SANE AND SERIOUS on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Costa Rica? Nice area. One of my businesses, my non-profit, will take me to Africa y in early December to begin the administrative process of setting up an education system .

  272. By BE SANE AND SERIOUS on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    And trust me, when I am overseas, the last thing I will be doing is blogging on vikings.com. That is why I know Vlad is full of it! Ha ha ha ha.

  273. By Indium Immure on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    By BE SANE AND SERIOUS on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    will take me to Africa y in early December to begin the administrative process of setting up an education system .
    __________________________________________________________________

    Tssk…Tssk… Tssk… Someone made a couple of typing errors.

    What is up with random “y” after Africa and typically your not suppose to put a space between the last word of the sentence and the period.

    Yea, I know I’m just being petty but sometimes turnabout is fair play.

  274. By Spencer on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Ponders girlfriend has a better arm than him..

  275. By OTKalil2012 on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Africa in December…

    So what your trying to say Titus…If a political battle fires up on this blog in late December…

    And you happen to claim that “the elephants have entered the room”…You may totally “be sane and serious” at the time…

    ; )

  276. By Vlad19 on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    I am all here in San Jose Big Shot. You want me to tell you all about the city??? You want me to tell you the dignitaries we dine with??
    Be insane and seriously ill, you try and offend only. Your contribution is moot otherwise.

    Never have seen you talk football on this blog.

    But I will say Hi to VP Piva for you! HA! Maybe Rodrigo Arias?

    Simply because YOU don’t blog when overseas doesn’t mean others shouldn’t. What an ego you have…. we should all be insane and seriously ill…

    Not me, sorry.

  277. By Indium Immure on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    It should be “What is up with the random”*

    Now I just feel silly.

  278. By Vlad19 on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    setting up an education system, sounds like a very charitable non-profit… great, wonderful stuff. Why you gotta be such an ar$e to people on this site then? Incongruous with your professional life. Must be stressful.

  279. By Immure on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    So did any one get out and enjoy the wonderful weather we had today?

  280. By OTKalil2012 on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Took my labs out for a long run…Brushed out there summer coats…Gave my schnauzer her clip…

    Enjoyed the day…Got some other outdoor chores done…Snow blower ready…etc…

    Great day !!…

  281. By Immure on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Yea I hear its suppose to be nice all weekend. Its kind odd weather for November in Minnesota but I’m not gonna complain about it.

  282. By rick on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Titus,
    You are a fat, out of shape blowhard, who knows nothing abou football. Take your ridiculous name to another blog and relieve us all.

  283. By Lion Tamer on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    I went over to Ponder’s girlfriends house. She told him to rest up he is going to need his stamina tomorrow.

  284. By Lion Tamer on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Be nice Rick. People adore Titus for his unlimited supply of wisdom!

  285. By Spencer on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Johnny Football 4 Heisman!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  286. By ? on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Lion Tamer—good one-Snicker snickerhahaaaaaaaa

  287. By BE SANE AND SERIOUS on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    I didn’t have much time, but I did a short 16 miler — rode through downtown and by the U– I dare say this happens once or twice early November for almost the past decade– unreal, though. Probably the last time out in shorts for the season. If I was not so busy this fall, heck, I would have tried a century today.

  288. By BE SANE AND SERIOUS on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Vlad, dear sir— if you carefully scroll through and are honest, you will see the fire started on your end. So, I joined the fun– but you are correct– I am not behaving on the blog congruent with my real life– oh the pitfalls of virtual reality.

  289. By GrandDaddyPurp on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Aaron Rodgers has a bye so I’m giving Ponder his first start of the season. I expect a good game from him, doesnt mean it will happen though.

  290. By Spencer on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

  291. By Vlad19 on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Be insane, dear sir, I spoke of Ponder ungraciously and spoke in GREAT DETAIL about the facts of WHY he is doomed to underperform at the spot – that’s IT!

    You suggested I “get a life”, called me out by name actually, so you might want to rethink your missive above. YOU have shown great offense, and I have rarely, as rarely as I do jump on here, seen you speak either eloquently or kindly, nor have I seen you talk about actual football.

    Now as to where I am, I am actually in Escazu, very fashionable suburb to San Jose. Helping the country with their waste management crises – 30% of their garbage ends up everywhere BUT in landfills…. and energy production with a 5% deficit each year while Free Trade agreements bring in foreign industry, they can’t provide equitable energy production… we do exactly BOTH.

    So anything else you want to know about CR or this market, happy to fill you in.

    Instead of shooting directly offensive remarks at posters, maybe you try just talking football. “Virtual reallity” my butttt, you chose to be an offense. Not cool.

  292. By BE SANE AND SERIOUS on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    only two picked vikes on espn’s expert picks– even Cris Carter chose the Lions. How far we have fallen in only three weeks.

  293. By BE SANE AND SERIOUS on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Vlad, peace?

  294. By Vlad19 on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Grandpappypurpl, I might go with a DNF for QB then, take that zero… can’t you actually lose pts in Fantasy football with excessively poor performance???

    Ha! Kidding, but sure hope good things for you and Ponder – and hope the rest of your FF players have great days! I think you will probably need it. Good luck.

    Maybe Ponder finally does have a brain cleaning day since he does NOT have Harvin to throw to, he might have to resort to actual reads of patterns and the open receiver…

    But who does he throw his bubble screen to… that will be a confusing moment… he probably throws the ball to Percy on the bench, like gravity or magnetic pull, he MUST find Percy!!!!!

  295. By Vlad19 on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Be insane, We need neither peace nor each others approval to be here talking. But peace is better than the housewife fight that was going on, so yes, fine. Peace.

    But you will hear from me if you want to take public shots and actually try and discredit a man, simply because you disagreed or were feeling randy enough to pick a fight. More than just bad taste.

    Moving on.

  296. By BE SANE AND SERIOUS on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Insane? You just don’t stop do you? Well, when I was 19, I also though I knew it all. Now that I am mature, I truly do know more than most.

  297. By ponder, aka 3 and out on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    i will be very surpried if we win another game with Ponder as qb

  298. By GrandDaddyPurp on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Vlad Ha! This game’s box score Percy has a game high 15 receptions despite missing the game.

  299. By ponder, aka 3 and out on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Ponder would be a backup qb on any other nfl team, maybe even 3rd string

  300. By Vlad19 on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    You picked it insane, and it ain’t changing till you quit trying to offend everybody. YOu are the only one I have taken a charge to – you sought it out. Guess you really didn’t want peace after all.

    You took the shot over the bow and then ask for peace and then take offense from my moniker for you, when I did nothing to seek your playtime.

    54 years old by the way. Glad you are so smart and haughty. Nice to know.

    Moving on.

  301. By GrandDaddyPurp on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    12 team league.
    My Fantasy Lineup:

    Starters
    QB C. Ponder
    RB Marshawn Lynch
    RB Doug Martin
    WR Golden Tate
    WR Mike Williams
    WR Julio Jones
    TE Kyle Rudolph
    D/ST Bears
    K Stepthen Gotskowski

    Bench
    QB Aaron Rodgers
    RB Micheal Bush
    RB LeGarrette Blount
    WR Percy Harvin
    WR Randall Cobb
    TE Jermicheal Finley
    D/ST Patriots

    This will be the toughest week of the year for me so far.

  302. By ponder, aka 3 and out on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Ponder is dropping back, he is throwing deep! HAHA just kidding

  303. By Vlad19 on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Ha! Yes grandaddy… the Gamecenter will be an interesting stat find…. 15 receptions to the guy on crutches and a safety boot, standing by the Gatorade!

    This should assure Harvin’s Pro-Bowl status! HA!

  304. By ponder, aka 3 and out on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    lets extend the game to 120 minutes, so ponder can get 100 yards passing

  305. By Vlad19 on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    ponderaka, you must have meant his girlfriend is throwing deep….. Ponder is the p@ssing game’s FIRST “short yardage specialist”!!!

    HA!

  306. By GrandDaddyPurp on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    3rd and long Stafford is dropping back Jared is 1-on-1 with the LT and Stafford delivers a 60 yard touchdown

  307. By Vlad19 on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    That’s funny ponder aka…. funny…. But you might throw another 15 just to be sure! And let’s remember, the 15 receptions by Harvin OB do NOT count for yards or YAC… sadly, they will be incomepete… Hope Frazier and Musgrave clear that up before gametime.

    Maybe they should just keep Percy at the hotel! Better safe than sorry!

  308. By Vlad19 on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    grandaddy, your FF line up looks good except for you know who… BUT I DO see Rudolph getting the lion’s share with Harvin out. Might be paltry, but 8 catches is probably about right, and maybe 90 yds and 1 TD… (thrown by Jerome Simpson on fake end around…) Anyway, the rest of your team should carry you!

    Here’s hoping!

  309. By Spencer on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

  310. By ponder, aka 3 and out on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    wishing Webb would of not won the Washing game last year, we would have RG 3 now of a bunch of draft picks

  311. By ponder, aka 3 and out on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    we are a qb and a wide receiver away from going deep in the playoffs

  312. By ponder, aka 3 and out on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    we could get a 5th round draft pick for Ponder

  313. By ponder, aka 3 and out on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    a few teams out there looking for back up qbs

  314. By BE SANE AND SERIOUS on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Well, there is proof on this blog that longevity of life does not equate maturity.

  315. By ponder, aka 3 and out on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    i still don’t understand why we didn’t go after Manning

  316. By Spencer on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Manning didn’t want to come here….

  317. By Frederick Jones on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    The DRS wrote a post everyone should read. Check it out, it’s the #3 post on this blog.

    The Vikings must prove that they have more than just a few superstars. We must have average to good NFL players at nearly every starting position to truly contend for the division title.

    Joe Webb should play in this next game if Ponder fails early. If it was Tarkenton, Kramer, Wilson, Gannon, Culpepper, Cuozzo, Kapp, Moon, Salisbury, Cunningham, Shaw, Johnson, etc. THEY WOULD ALL HAVE BEEN BENCHED WITH THAT KIND OF PLAY!

    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  318. By Frederick Jones on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    It’s great to have Shawn back giving us his statistics.
    Shawn the Stat Man

  319. By ponder, aka 3 and out on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    you don’t know that, we never showed any interest in Manning at all

  320. By ponder, aka 3 and out on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Yeah, Frazier has to sit Ponder down early

  321. By Spencer on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Manning turned down the 49ers….there is no doubt in my mind that he would have turned down the Vikings as-well.

  322. By Frederick Jones on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    @Spencer,

    IF indeed it is true that P. Manning did not want to come here, I bet it was the offensive line.

    Ya see the Brady’s, Rodgers, Brees, and Manning’s can demand a good offensive line.
    They can sit back and survey the field like they was a huntin’ fo’ Moose!

    Ponder and JOE do not have that. I’m just hoping JOE can high hurdle sum o’ them sukkers.

  323. By ponder, aka 3 and out on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    maybe the Vikings could do a world wide seach for a qb, have them all come in say next week for a tryout

  324. By BE SANE AND SERIOUS on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    The Al Mighty Fred Jones is in DA HOUSE!!!

  325. By BE SANE AND SERIOUS on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Now WE’RE TALKIN’ !!!!

  326. By BE SANE AND SERIOUS on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Ponder should be pulled after the first quarter if he is ineffective– and sent home with no Samantha Steele until he plays better.

  327. By Richard1A on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    This just in,,,,,Webb to start, Ponder to be on bench!

  328. By ponder, aka 3 and out on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    if we lose the rest of the games, we should get a top 10 pick

  329. By ponder, aka 3 and out on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    for real?

  330. By BE SANE AND SERIOUS on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/christian-ponder-denies-relationship-espn-reporter-behind-vikings-210039435–nfl.html

  331. By ponder, aka 3 and out on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    seems like the Vikings are always looking for a qb. we need different management

  332. By Vlad19 on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Richard1A…. if only you were correct…. I hope so. Ponder can take notes with the best of them and I would be fine with it. Also think the Vikes would be fine with it.

    If we are going to be sloppy and weak at the QB spot, at least let it have POSSIBILITIES, and an exciting athlete with real bravado is better inspiration to teammates than the “short yardage specialist” that Ponder has become.

    Like i said in another thread, I would approve of almost ANY change at QB… Frazier is teaching his young team that mediocrity is acceptable. Hope that changes, and where better to start than Ponder.

  333. By ponder, aka 3 and out on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    the problem is Frazier, he thinks about the defense too much. look at Mike in Washington, he knew he needed a qb, and paid the price to get one.

  334. By ponder, aka 3 and out on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Ponder is a 2 yard pass king

  335. By ponder, aka 3 and out on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    should of drafted a qb and traded Ponder off

  336. By BE SANE AND SERIOUS on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Ponder says his sweetie is not the cause of his poor performance:

    http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/christian-ponder-denies-relationship-espn-reporter-behind-vikings-210039435–nfl.html

  337. By Frederick Jones on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Hi Sane…are you also Titus?

  338. By Frederick Jones on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Ponder has made some great plays. Remember earlier in the season when he made the long TD run? What was it…46 yards or so?

    He also made some great throws earlier in the season to Rudolph.

    Jones would start Webb.

    But at least go to Webb in the second quarter, if Ponder is still throwing for his patented 3 yard gains. :)

  339. By BE SANE AND SERIOUS on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Hey Jonesy

  340. By Frederick Jones on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    The DRS wrote a post everyone should read. Check it out, it’s the #3 post on this blog.

    The Vikings must prove that they have more than just a few superstars. We must have average to good NFL players at nearly every starting position to truly contend for the division title.

    Joe Webb should play in this next game if Ponder fails early. If it was Tarkenton, Kramer, Wilson, Gannon, Culpepper, Cuozzo, Kapp, Moon, Salisbury, Cunningham, Shaw, Johnson, etc. THEY WOULD ALL HAVE BEEN BENCHED WITH THAT KIND OF PLAY!

  341. By Vlad19 on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Jonesy, 3 yard completions??? Being a little generous on that estimation? HA!

    Yes, Ponder wants nothing to do with standing in a pocket and maybe getting Owwies…. he is all for letting his guys get the YAC and enjoy the inflation of his own stats.

    Nice kid, said it over and over, easy to like. BUT the game is a competition, the league is a business. Got to get serious.

    Wouldn’t be the first mistake in draft… Gino Toretta… Demetrius Underwood….

    Live and learn. Hope Speilman does.

  342. By BE SANE AND SERIOUS on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    Ah, the great prognosticator has some down time from night time beach activities? When Ponder becomes the next Brady or Brees in a few years, you may eat your words.

  343. By BE SANE AND SERIOUS on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    MBT is the quarterback I want to see!

  344. By Vlad19 on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    I have navigated around you in deference to the other posters who don’t need to hear it. Do yourself a favor, you look silly trying to one-up me all day and night. What’s the point?

    By the way, San Jose is in the Central Valley, we are 2 plus hours from any beach. But of course you would know all that.

    Moving on.

  345. By BE SANE AND SERIOUS on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply

    All I saw earlier was Costa Rica– sorry Vlad.

  346. By Parkway on Nov 11, 2012 | Reply

    We will have negative net p@ssing yards today

  347. By BE SANE AND SERIOUS on Nov 11, 2012 | Reply

    I am honestly getting tired of football–

  348. By Parkway on Nov 11, 2012 | Reply

    I’d say watch the T wolves instead but we lost tonight and it’s getting down right comical how many injuries we have on the team.

  349. By ? on Nov 11, 2012 | Reply

    Jones: titus IS be sane.

  350. By purple08 on Nov 11, 2012 | Reply

    Don’t sit Ponder morons. Let the season play out and hope for a high draft pick. We started strong and all you clowns expected too much too soon. There is a reason Webb is on the bench….he stinks. Ponder and this team needs 2 more years.

  351. By Parkway on Nov 11, 2012 | Reply

    Peterson will be past his prime in 2 years and Harvin will move on. Don’t be stupid

  352. By Parkway on Nov 11, 2012 | Reply

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  355. By Richard1A on Nov 11, 2012 | Reply

    That was the problem with Webb, he wasn’t that great of a quarterback, or developed into a great quarterback yet, but, he held our interest because he can run like a runningback,,,,as in Webb can play as good as Ponder only Webb can run.

  356. By chris b on Nov 11, 2012 | Reply

    Jared Allen called this game a must win. Frazier is going to lose his team after today. They mite as well get smoot to show them a good time on the love boat cause the season is over the players will stop giving 100% after the buy.

  357. By ? on Nov 11, 2012 | Reply

    Chris>>>>> What does Allen know? I notice that he is very good at flaping his arms in the air instead of doing his job of stopping people.

  358. By chris b on Nov 11, 2012 | Reply

    I have a feelling JA wont be on the team next year. He is getting older and has lost a step this year but he has been alot of fun to watch and a big piece of the puzzle the few years we did win. He dont want to stick around and watch our young coach and qb drag this team down. Hope for a win today but not holding my breath

  359. By 32frank12 on Nov 11, 2012 | Reply

    Ponder needs to step up in a big way today. He needs to quite playing so sluggish like he has lately. He has shown that he does belong in this league. He just needs to man up to the challenge. Also I seen Jarius Wright is going to be active today. Hoping for a good amount of touches for him and see what he can do.

  360. By 1vikingsfan on Nov 11, 2012 | Reply

    In this site Shawn is my favorite blogger. I like his attitude. Why are you guys thinking of the drafts? We are still in the hunt for playoffs. If we would of been in another division we for sure would go to the playoffs. Just give ponder a break. If a team struggles just don’t blame the QB thats y it is a team. I hope ponder shows he is the right guy. I am not goin to b able to see this game though. I am goin to the hospital. Lets see if I can see it from there.

  361. By BlueBird7 on Nov 11, 2012 | Reply

    Calvin Johnson is playing today, and no Chris Cook to stop him.

    Looks like you have your work cut out for you, Jeff.

  362. By 1vikingsfan on Nov 11, 2012 | Reply

    How come you guys don’t blame the defense? Why not the coach? Why not the OC? c’mon people. If ponder plays like he has in the las weeks for the rest of the year (which I don’t think so) now next year give a chance to Webb or make a move on the free agents market. But I do not see getting no one.

  363. By BlueBird7 on Nov 11, 2012 | Reply

    OK, Mike W. How about the injury report?

  364. By 4eversteve on Nov 11, 2012 | Reply

    The Vikings have a receivers coach that they say is well respected around the league, that maybe the prospective amongst coaches, however not so sure that the receivers and the fans feel the same way given the lack of production thus far this season. I have long been an advocate of bringing in someone like Chris Carter to teach these receivers the craft of being a professional receivers as opposed to the College level and sometime even High School level play that we have witness so far this season with the exception of Percy Harvin, who has single handily carried this receiving core on his back this season. The Viking need to broker a deal for a trade, Jerome Simpson hasn’t delivered the vertical threat that the team had hope for and now the win loss record is starting to reflect the lack of production as a result.

  365. By john 61 on Nov 11, 2012 | Reply

    ponder day is today, we will see what he made of, masgrave this is it ,if they fail i hope mr w. steps in,we will see what he made of to, ponder will get hurt if we get behind that way he keeps his job after the buy,coach you will be in the hot seat if we loose and you do nothing after the buy, good luck,hope we win

  366. By JE on Nov 11, 2012 | Reply

    Maybe Ponder will throw the ball to Simpson this week?? Maybe Ponder will throw the ball to Rudolph this week?? I sure hope Harvin isnt standing on the sidelines during the game cuz Ponder will throw it to him if he sees him.

  367. By Parkway on Nov 11, 2012 | Reply

    By 1vikingsfan on Nov 11, 2012 | Reply
    If a team struggles just don’t blame the QB thats y it is a team.

    We aren’t, have you seen Ponder play. It’s embarrassing. He is somewhat responsible for our poor defense when he can’t keep our offense on the field for longer than 3 plays at a time. Higher thinking….

  368. By JE on Nov 11, 2012 | Reply

    If Ponder doesnt throw the ball DOWN the field to the wideouts then its time for him to sit and watch the second half. Put Webb in and see if he can win a game for us. Harvin out is going to make Ponder or break Ponder this week. Witch one will happen is anyones guess.

  369. By JE on Nov 11, 2012 | Reply

    When your QB is throwing for 100 yards a game it is the problem. Im not saying i dont like Ponders future, ithink he has a good one but he is shall we say “struggling” right now. Quit blaming the wideouts!! Ponder is NOT getting the job done!!

  370. By JE on Nov 11, 2012 | Reply

    Young QBs have their struggles in the NFL. Ponder is no different. Cullpepper had them,TJack had them and now its Ponders turn. We didnt seem to hold back the blame on our young QBs in the past when they didnt play well. Being young and has never been and not having great recievers and a great oline has never been an excuse for our QBs. Did we give that excuse to Joe Webb?? NO!!! Ponder needs to step up our step out of the lineup. NO DOUBLE STANDARD!! NO EXCUSES!!! If Joe Webb goes in and doesnt play well are we going to give him a pass because hes young and hasnt started but three games?? NO!! We are going to say he stinks and cant play QB. PATHETIC DOUBLE STANDARD!!

  371. By 1vikingsfan on Nov 11, 2012 | Reply

    Parkway so then it’s the coaches for not taking him out or trying to pass the ball

  372. By JE on Nov 11, 2012 | Reply

    Just look at how many blogers already have written off Joe Webb as a starter. Hes started 3 games! Has Joe Webb played worse than Ponder did in the last month?? NO!!! Ponder has 20 starts under his belt and he better get it going. 5 rookie QBs are outplaying him at this time in the season.We have the best running game in the league and you cant pass the ball?? CMON PONDER, its time for you to start playing like a legit starting QB.

  373. By JE on Nov 11, 2012 | Reply

    Yes i think it is the coaching staffs responsibility to make those tough decisions. Its never easy to pull your young starting QB. If Ponder struggles in the 1st half today you have to pull him.ITS TIME.!!! I hope it dont come to that cuz i do like Ponder and think hes got alot of upside. We cant afford to lose another game like this.

  374. By JE on Nov 11, 2012 | Reply

    Not to mention, i cant stand to watch this pathetic football. Throw the ball down the field!! Play action to Peterson and throw the ball to your wideouts, who are being played 1 on 1 down the field!!!

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