7 Vikings-Lions Storylines To Follow

Posted by Mike Wobschall on November 7, 2012 – 7:32 am

The Vikings began this season with wins in four out of their first five games. Since then, however, they’ve lost three of their last four and two in a row. It’s time to get back on the winning track, and to do so the Vikings will have to upend division rival Detroit for the second time this season.

It’s only Wednesday, so we have plenty of time to breakdown the matchups and analyze the trends. Here are seven Vikings-Lions storylines we’ll be chasing this week.

1. Harvin’s Ankle, Megatron’s Knee
Two of the NFL’s best WRs reside within this Vikings-Lions matchup, and they are both dealing with injuries. Vikings WR Percy Harvin leads the NFL in receptions with 62, but he injured his ankle in last week’s loss to Seattle. Harvin wouldn’t rule himself out for Sunday’s game, but he also called himself a “long shot” to play. Detroit’s Calvin Johnson is widely regarded as the best receiver in the NFL, and he looked every bit the part in last week’s win over Jacksonville. Johnson had 7 receptions for 129 yards on the day, making a profound impact on the game even though he didn’t get into the end zone. Johnson missed practice all of last week with a knee injury, and although he doesn’t seem to be in jeopardy of missing the game on Sunday, it’ll be interesting to see how the knee ailment impacts his practice time this week and then his performance on Sunday.

2. Can Ponder Shake His Slump?
A beautiful beginning to the season, highlighted by a solid outing against San Francisco in which he generated 3 TDs, has turned into a dreadful slump for Vikings 2nd-year QB Christian Ponder. The slumping Ponder has thrown for fewer than 100 yards twice in the last three games and he now has 8 INTs in nine games after going through the first four games of the season without throwing it to the opposing team. I believe Ponder will emerge from his slump in a big way, and it could happen on Sunday.

3. Vikings Looking For Pass Rush Re-Emergence
No team has more sacks than the Vikings (74) since the start of 2011, but the Vikings also have just 2 sacks over the past two games. In order to slow down this Lions passing attack, the Vikings must pressure Lions QB Matthew Stafford. In five career games against the Vikings, Stafford has been sacked 20 times, including three times in each of the last three games. Last year, Vikings DE Jared Allen registered 6.0 sacks by himself against the Lions. On the flip side, the Lions have improved their pass protection this season and have allowed just 15 sacks through eight games, 10th-best in the League.

4. More Special Teams Fireworks?
The Vikings defeated the Lions earlier this year by a score of 20-13 in a game that was dominated by special teams. The Vikings won the game, yet didn’t score an offensive TD. Both Vikings TDs were on returns, with Harvin registering a 105-yard kickoff return and Marcus Sherels darting through and around the Lions coverage group for a 77-yard punt return TD on his birthday. At that point, the Lions had surrendered both a kickoff return TD and a punt return TD in back-to-back games. Since then, though, the Lions have not allowed a return TD. Can the Vikings find a way to gouge the Lions coverage groups again?

5. Peterson Gunning For 4th Straight 100-Yard Game
Adrian Peterson has given the phrase “back and better than ever” a whole new meaning. Just over 10 months removed from a major knee injury, Peterson is leading the NFL in rushing with 957 yards and also leads the NFL in yards per carry (5.7) among players with 100+ carries. And Peterson isn’t slowing down. He rushed for a season-high 182 yards last week in Seattle, giving him his third consecutive 100-yard rushing game. Can he make it four straight?

6. Glancing At The Standings
While it’s still too early to attach the “must-win” tag to this game, there’s no disputing this game’s importance to both Detroit and Minnesota’s playoff hopes. The loser of this game will be looking up at the three other teams in the NFC North and will do so with a losing record in the NFC. Both teams are 3-3 in NFC play, an important metric for tie-breaking purposes when it comes to awarding playoff spots after the regular season. Regardless of who wins and loses this game, both the Vikings and Lions have enough division games remaining that they control their own destinies. Even still, the fact remains that Sunday’s game is a big one in terms of placement in the NFC North standings.

7. Salute To Service
The NFL will continue its long history of honoring veterans and active duty members of the military with its annual Salute to Service campaign. For every point scored during the NFL’s 32 designated Salute to Service games, the League will donate $100 to each of its three core military non-profit partners – Pat Tillman Foundation, USO and the Wounded Warrior Project (WWP).

The Vikings will participate in the Salute to Service campaign during Sunday’s game by incorporating several pre-game, in-game and halftime elements in its game production. Here are just a few examples…

The Honorary Viking will be Betty Strohfus, one of just over 1,000 American women who flew military aircraft during World War II; the Honorary Captain will be Sergeant Brian Neill, a veteran of Operation Iraqi Freedom who served in the Minnesota National Guard for a period of 23 years; a traditional riderless horse will cross through the end zone during a moment of silence and remain there through the National Anthem; during the National Anthem, the entire stadium will participate in a card stunt. The stunt will display a patriotic message and stars/stripes graphics. Fans should be in their seats 15 minutes prior to kickoff to ensure full-stadium participation;

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125 Responses to “7 Vikings-Lions Storylines To Follow”

  1. By purplehaze1 on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    can Leslie overcome his babysitting CP, and make the change while the Vikes are still in it? GO VIKES!!!

  2. By Parkway on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    Simply a rebuilding year. Evaluate talent. Get a new qb next year, maybe a real coach.

  3. By Parkway on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    Free Agency Pickups:
    Jake Long OT
    Jason McCourty CB
    James Laurinitus LB

    2013 NFL Draft:
    1st Round: Keenan Allen WR
    2nd Round: Johnathan Cooper OG
    3rd Round: Nico Johnson LB
    4th Round: Josh Boyd DT

  4. By OTKalil2012 on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    The thing that bugs me is Frazier’s attitude with not having more young players in this line up…Frazier has this thing about having “verterans” in the line up, to mentor his young players…

    Note to Frazier…

    Besides Allen and Winfield…Fraziers “veteran mentors” are the ones “underacheiving”…Not the young players or rookies..

    So why are you using “underacheiving veterans” again Frazier ???..

    To set a BAD example for our young players ???…

    C’mon Frazier !!!…Sit Jenkins,Aromashudo, C Johnson, etc…And play more young players…And have the young players set their own example of accountability…

    And please get rid of Musgrave, in your spare time… : /

  5. By OTKalil2012 on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    Have to keep upgrading the middle of the defense…

    Heavy consideration should be taken at ILB and DT early in this springs draft…

  6. By 1vikingsfan on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    This game ponder will play really good. We should win this one.

  7. By BlueBird7 on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply


    I hope so, however “should” and “will” win has two different meanings.

  8. By BlueBird7 on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    A little “Pie in the Sky” dreaming. If the Vikings lose to Detroit, might as well pack it in and start looking at the 2013 draft picks, and look for couple of coachs.

  9. By Parkway on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    Ponder will throw for 7 yards. He doesn’t have Percy to bubble screen to and pick up all the YAC that some how counts for Ponder’s stats.

  10. By Parkway on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    Yeah bluebird… like…..

    Free Agency Pickups:
    Jake Long OT
    Jason McCourty CB
    James Laurinitus LB

    2013 NFL Draft:
    1st Round: Keenan Allen WR
    2nd Round: Johnathan Cooper OG
    3rd Round: Nico Johnson LB
    4th Round: Josh Boyd DT

  11. By BlueBird7 on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    And no, we won’t beat the Packers and the Bears TWICE.. Why? Frazier and Mustgrave will both be still asleep.

  12. By dieseldog on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    I give credit to Ponder for facing the media and the fans by showing up at the press conferences…..even if he is beginning to sound like babbling sylvester stallone. And, it isn’t his fault that he was drafted in the first round. He should have been drafted much later, then developed on the bench for 3 or 4 years so that he could become a solid number 3 QB.

  13. By Parkway on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    Or more like:

    Free Agency Pickups:
    Jake Long OT
    Jason McCourty/Brent Grimes/Marcus Trufant CB
    James Laurinitus LB

    2013 NFL Draft:
    1st Round: Keenan Allen WR
    2nd Round: Johnathan Cooper OG
    3rd Round: Nico Johnson LB
    4th Round: Josh Boyd DT

  14. By OTKalil2012 on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    Who is Ponder going to throw too ???…

    Frazier and Musgrave have driven Harvin into the ground….Like many here predicted would happen weeks ago….

    AP next ???…That has been predicted also…

    Does Gerhart have a broken leg on the sideline ???…NO…

    So why not take a little pressure off of AP…And give Gerhart a couple series a game to run the ball ???…

  15. By 1vikingsfan on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    Vikings will win. Ponder will throw over 300 yards without Percy or with him.

  16. By Parkway on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    1vikingsfan: INT return yards don’t count in Ponder’s stats

  17. By Immure on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    Parkway- There is no way Long or Laurinitus will hit the FA market. The one on that FA list that might get some attention from our Front Office staff is McCourty. I don’t see them going after Grimes or Trufant do to their age.

  18. By Immure on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    The only one on*

  19. By David Plowman on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    Without Harvin this is a loss. Sorry guys. Specila teams won the game the first time and guess who on the special teams will not be there? HARVIN. 5-11. I am looking forward to next year and the BS already.

  20. By Parkway on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    Anything is possible

  21. By Parkway on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    Ponder is going to get booed off the field. It’s going to be a hilarious game without Harvin

  22. By BlueBird7 on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply


    Anything except Musgrave/Frazier coming up with some new offensive plays.

  23. By polarisrmk on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    another big prediction week for ponder. ive seen about 4 of these in a row and i predict same out come 13/30 52yds 3ints one pick 6 2 fumbled snaps… webb shaking his head on the sideline

  24. By H.M.G. on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    Referring to comments made last night that for some reason I was unable to respond to.
    How could you say such things. You monsters. Santa is too real!

  25. By Parkway on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    Ponder will be about 5/20 for 21 yards and 2 picks through 3 quarters. But since we will be losing by 30 by the 4th quarter and Detroit’s D will be playing extra soft he will probably still get 150 garbage yards.

    Bank on it.

  26. By OTKalil2012 on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    A good head coach would sit Ponder this week…

    Announce Ponder still is the starting QB…But taking a week off to heal up lingering injury to his knee…And to also have a chance to clear his head a little…Being that a bye week is also coming up after this weeks game…

    If Webb plays…And plays well ???…Ponders knee might need more rest after the bye week ???… : /

    Point is…Frazier at some point being in charge…HAS TO MAKE A COACHING DECISION !!!…Whether he wants to or not…

    If Ponder makes one bad play…Fans will boo him off the field…And that will not help anthing…

  27. By H.M.G. on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    Next thing you know you people will say the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy, Pro Wrestling, and the Government are not real!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  28. By OTKalil2012 on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    I heard Spielman might be Santa H.M.G….

    At least I heard Spielman is making a list…And checking it twice…Making sure who is naughty, and nice…

    And under his naughty list…I saw a lot of coaches names..

    Just sayin… : /

  29. By ? on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    What is not reel is you HMG. goolly-garsh! I mean me.

  30. By Muskyfever on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    OK, this is seriously getting irritating… I need a list of all the non cussing words I apparently can’t use. I can’t even post something where I am, talking up my team…. UGH

  31. By Muskyfever on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    I said last week that POnder was giong to play like junk. I knew he wasnt going to thr ow for a lot of yrds against that D, but 44… REALLY… ??

    OK, moving on… I don’t think Ponder is going to get a lot of thro-wing yards durning this game either. However with Harvin out (if he is out for sure) we may finaly get what we are asking for. J. Wright should play, Burton should play… maybe even Summers if they are feelin riskay….. But we should for sure see J. Wright I would think, see what he can do. We need everyone we can get if we expect to win this one.

    I do expect AP to have another huge game… maybe 150+ yrds and a TD. NOt sure he will get too much more than that, but I would love to see him stay the rushing leader for the rest of the year. He really deserves it and has been working hard to be where he is at.

    Looking forward to this game, it is always interesting when we play the Lions. Hopefully we will win…. but IDK, the D has to step back up big time for us to pull this one out….

  32. By hippster on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    hey spence and shawn hows your 401k plan looking today bleak eh ,can you all say resession oh boy can you hear the sucking sound of poverty ,sorry viking fans for all the hate but ive been a fan of this team for at least 42 yrs, i cant see this team ever getting it right .you know if it werent for a mall and a big lake most folks in america would hardly you all were there at all .what do you all do or build in minn

  33. By xmasboy on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    I am really looking forward to the excuses on Monday morning from the Vikings after they loose, this is ponder “I’ve got to do a better job……. To put ourselves in a position to win…….it’s all on me……..the coaches did a great job………….I will have to look at the film” then he hops giggles and skips off the podium. Here is Frazier “obviously we didn’t do a good job of executing, we have to excute better within the scheme…………will have to go back and look at the film and work on the corrections………….. Our players played well but they just did a better job than us……” then he slowly exits from the podium hoping nobody throws shoes at him

  34. By Muskyfever on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    Hippster…. I like being under the radar. DO you really want to be a state like NY or Cali where thousands and thousands of people flock here month to month to see our state. DO you have any idea how annoying tourists are??? I hope people stay home and leave me the heck alone. MN is fine just the way it is…maybe not our sports teams, but the state as a whole is perfect. I would not change a thing about our state…(except sports) I love it here, I don’t think I will ever move

  35. By James on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    Wow!! Wob is still standing up for ponder? You really think ponder will bounce bck? Lol you guys are getting lame! Does anybody in this organization realize that more of this and you will start losing your fan base? Bench ponder already!!!!

  36. By vikingbob136 on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    Here is your storyline:

  37. By hippster on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    hey muskyfever i didnt mean to upset a fellow fisherman those coments are for spence and his good bud shawn, i lived i minn when people built things now people just work at the mall or what ?thats all i wanted to know

  38. By Nit Picking on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    Hippster- What we do in Minnesota is practice good grammar and punctuation. We also build these things called schools.

  39. By Parkway on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    Glad the Wolves will be relevant this year since the Vikes won’t win another game this year.

  40. By Muskyfever on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    hey hippster I’m not upset at all buddy, It is hard to show body language while typing on a computer. But I was laughing cause there is really nothing here (except great fishing) but the mall like oyu said. but the more people that come to our state, come to our lakes, and catch all my darn fish… Bass-turds…lol.

    I work in the car industry. Hippster you fish?

  41. By hippster on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    public schools? the ones that failed me i guess? you people create national dept rot in poverty and freeze in the snow on your ice fishing butts trying to feed your familys

  42. By hippster on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    the bailed out car industry? those little electic cars that you charge with, say it with me dont be afraid yea thats right COAL

  43. By 61Vikings on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    Gentlemen, have faith in our team!! This was a 3-13 team last year!! We are 5-4 with a chance to sweep a divisional foe, and if we split with Chicago and Green Bay, win 1of 2 road games against St. Louis or Houston, we’re a 9-7 team, who would have thought that!!! However, for that to happen, Ponder has to play like he did the first part of the year!! We are a running team with two great running backs, so let’s play ground and pound, control the clock and play solid defense!!!

  44. By Muskyfever on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    Yes sir, the bailed out car industry… except i do not work for an american car company, and I can not stress enough that “our” customers are not suffering considering how many cars we sell here. as the economy gets worse…some how, our sales go up… makes no sense to me but I guess the rich get richer

  45. By Muskyfever on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    Even though we have a great running team with the NFL’s most elite RB… We still need to be able to thr ow the ball if we expect to win… especially in places like houston, GB and CHI. I am not to worried about the other teams. But we need to be able to lean on Ponder a little bit. He needs to step up in a big way and figure out how to get oput of his slump. if he can do that we can win more than a few games. just depends on Ponder. AP is FIne, he will get us yards. But one man can not win games for an entire team in the NFL consistently

  46. By 61Vikings on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    With a name like like your not acting to hip!! Your on the wrong site!! Go cry on another conservative site!! Take the loss like a man!! We talk football here!!!

  47. By polarisrmk on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    lets face it with ponder at qb we are FU**ED no two ways about it eve when he was playing good the first three games the guy was making bad trows and looking off open receivers.

  48. By H.M.G. on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    Oh yes another thing that falls under the Santa is real thing is public education.

  49. By ? on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    Looks like old home week around here. I too, am a Minnesotan, and wouldn’t trade anything for all the Cranberrys in Wiscomsin…Besides we have more and bigger fish then those guys. Only thing they have is more lairs per square mile.

  50. By H.M.G. on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    What receiver will step up with Harvin being injuried?
    Simpson 8 catches
    Jenkins old and slow
    Aromashodu really?
    Burton umm do something please
    Running out of WRs
    Wright may in fact be the only option.
    May be time to look at the PS.

  51. By 61Vikings on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    Are you an actual Viking fan?? Depressing!!! This is a 5-4 team not a 0-9 team!!!

  52. By vikes or die on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    Actually without Harvin it could cause the players to step up their game. A little more drive and extra hustle can go a long way. We will have to target other players and get everyone involve. Which would be better any way. Football should never be a one man show. That dosen’t build a team.

  53. By Harry Rybolt on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    Might be a good idea for Frazier to be thinking about Joe Webb to go in if and when CP gets to not moving the offense.

  54. By Frederick Jones on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply


    I could see Ponder getting 150 yards in garbage time with the Vikings down by 20 like you say!

  55. By Frederick Jones on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    The best way to get Ponder over his slump is to sit him!

    Start JOE WEBB!!!

  56. By Frederick Jones on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    No one in their right mind would say Ponder is done in the NFL, but he needs a break.
    Sit the boy down!!!

    Start JOE WEBB!!!

  57. By Frederick Jones on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    #No one in their right mind would say Ponder is done in the NFL, but he needs a break.
    Sit the boy down!!!

    Start JOE WEBB!!!

  58. By Frederick Jones on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    The best way to get Ponder over his slump is to sit him!

    Start JOE WEBB!!!


  59. By BlueBird7 on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    Fred Jones

    I could be wrong, but I think you want Frazier to start Joe Webb. Yes!

  60. By Frederick Jones on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply


    I could see Ponder getting 150 yards in garbage time with the Vikings down by 20 like you say!

    By Frederick Jones on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    The best way to get Ponder over his slump is to sit him!

    Start JOE WEBB!!!

    By Frederick Jones on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    No one in their right mind would say Ponder is done in the NFL, but he needs a break.
    Sit the boy down!!!

    Start JOE WEBB!!!

    By Frederick Jones on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    #No one in their right mind would say Ponder is done in the NFL, but he needs a break.
    Sit the boy down!!!

    Start JOE WEBB!!!

    By Frederick Jones on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    The best way to get Ponder over his slump is to sit him!

    Start JOE webb!!!

  61. By Frederick Jones on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply


    Yes…….you are correct Sir, start Joe Webb!!!

  62. By Frederick Jones on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    #No one in their right mind would say Ponder is done in the NFL, but he needs a break.
    Sit the boy down!!!

    Start JOE WEBB!!!


  63. By Frederick Jones on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    There ain’t no debatin’ start WEBB!!!

  64. By begemant on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    If the Vikes Start Joe Webb the offensive coordinator will prob destroy his esteem too. You don’t normally loose a game with over 200 yards rushing unless your game was lost before it started.

  65. By Frederick Jones on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply


  66. By iaVIKE on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    Wow, some of you “fans” are ridiculous, doom and gloom bashing of our team and its players is not helping anything. This is the NFL, anything can happen. Childress was Superbowl or bust for two seasons, which left the team in shambles. We have a good, YOUNG foundation of players that Spielman started building in April, give it some time. Some of you say Percy won’t be back because of the team, that’s bullshlt, if I were him i wouldn’t want to play for some of you “fans”.

  67. By Mike B on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    Webb is not the answer to the problems with the team. It will only increase this contraversy and will not provide an additional win to the team. Let Frazier work with his team and see what they come up with. I know many of you said to give Frazier a chance this year to do his thing and see how we come out. Well what’s happened gentleman you want to give up so soon? I think we should stay the course and see how it goes. At the end of the season we can critique the outcome. Stick with Ponder and see if he can be the QB of the future. Let’s get those Lions. Barrroooh.

  68. By OTKalil2012 on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    Packers have injuries all over the field…Yet coaching makes adjustments for those injuries…

    The Vikings have been pretty healthy all season long…Except now losing a major player in Harvin…

    How many adjustments has Frazier and Musgrave made ???…

    Just sayin… : /

    What everyone is thinking…

  69. By Shawn on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    Fire Musgrave !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  70. By Shawn on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    My fellow Vikings fans … I would like to propose a Constitutional Amendment

    Something like this

    If the QB of the Minnesota Vikings has less than 100 yards passing at the start of the 4th quarter AND the Minnesota Vikings have less points than their opponent. The coach must pull the no talent QB and allow Joe Webb a chance to win the game.

    All in favor say Aye

  71. By Shawn on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    FIRE MUSGRAVE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  72. By Muskyfever on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    so Frederick Jones I am not sure what you are trying to say…. Are you saying that we should start Joe Webb????? I wasn’t sure I was ready all 100 posts of yours correctly or not??

  73. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    Thanks to everyone who did NOT want to vote for a man with a track record of financial success. No, that makes no sense. Hire a law professor with his academia background to solve our economic woes. I just witnessed thousands leave my investments. Useful idiots.

  74. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    Charisma and nice speeches do not an economy build.

  75. By Muskyfever on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    Webb is not the answer, I don’t think Ponder is playing well enough not to get sat for at least half of a game, but I don’t think that Webb would do any better. For all the guys that want Webb to come in, this is only going to happen if Ponder gets hurt. And hopefully that wont happen.

    I am starting to come to my senses again since the loss on Sunday. I am trying to be patient and give Ponder till the end of Next season to evalute him. It takes 3 years for QB’s to become “good” at what they do. Aaron Rogers was 6 and 10 his first year and I don’t think they went to the superbowl until his 3rd year. Now granted I don’t expect Ponder to do the same. But we need to give him till at least midway through next season before we can say anything aout what we should do with him….

    That being said……………… FIRE MUSGRAVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He is terrible and holding this team back. There are many things that we need to work on, but I think all of our issues start with the coaches. First and most important is the OC, who clearly can NOT do his job correctly. Hasn’t really been very good his whole career except for last season in ATL. and even then the team was known for nickle and diming everyone down the field… Do you see a pattern…??? I do!!! FIRE MUSGRAVE!!!!!!!!!!!

  76. By iaVIKE on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    Well said, Musky.

  77. By Parkway on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    Here’s a nice article that reiterates many of the points I have been making about Ponder:

    For those of you too lazy to read it, I will break down a few parts of it:

    “Ponder has thrown 284 p@sses on the year, how many times have you thought, “wow, that was a nice throw”?” EXACTLY

    “The dialogue from Vikings enthusiasts has become some form of, “he doesn’t need to be great, he just needs to manage the game.” Is the bar already that low? Will the Vikings really wait six years like the 49ers did with Alex Smith?” SPOT ON AGAIN

    “He hasn’t p@ssed the eyeball test at all, and what’s confounding about him is that he doesn’t seem to be picking up anything along the way. He’s getting worse, not better.” CHECK

    For those who keep quoting p@sser rating rather than QBR: “Ponder’s QBR, the advanced quarterback rating that makes a lot more sense than the simplistic p@sser rating, is plummeting faster than Facebook stock.”

    The part I disagree with in this article is that we should let him finish out the season to be SURE that he is completely terrible and move on. I think a season and a half is more than enough to see he hasn’t had any flashes that would make one think he could be a good QB in this league.

  78. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    Five years from now Ponder will be the back-up in Kansas City.

  79. By Troutdaddy on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    You know what? Put in Webb as a WR and Start MBT. That way we get to use both of these folks and that gives us some options. If they do not have Wright play this week, then it will reinforce my opinion of our OC and head coach. Audie Cole is another one that DESERVES to play and who could make an immediate impact . So dumb that we can’t mix it up to give us options…Just rediculous that these leaders are so scared of change. Oh and by the way- SINGLETARY is not the answer either. He was toxic to the 49ers. What has he done since then?.

    Hey Musky- here is an invite to come and fish with me in Utah. Brown-trout are schooling up in the river right now!!!

  80. By begemant on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    some years ago some of you might have said who is Tom Brady? I think it is about the whole team and game plan. something is missing.

  81. By iaVIKE on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    Eli Manning Stats after 25 games in the NFL – 30 TDs 26 INTs 4,805 Yards

    Christian Ponder Stats after 19 games in the NFL – 23 TDs 21 INts 3,659 Yards

    Look, Ponder has played like garbage the last 4 weeks, i agree, but to say that this is enough to judge the rest of his career on is bullshlt. Give him a legit big body deep threat receiver, and then see what can be done.

  82. By Muskyfever on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    I also like Audie Cole I think we should give him a shot to play again. I understand that it was pre-season and everything but two pick 6’s back to back… Put the man in, clearly he will play with a high motor and may even produce some turn overs. Our LB’s (besides Greenway) are not playing very well and maybe we should bench one of them and try Mr. Cole out for a series and see how he does.

    I also agree that our coaches are scared of change… Well coaches.. MAN UP! Since you are in control, start showing that you can control this team and not just watch them fall to the ground under your poor leadership… (mainly I am talking to musgrave)

    Troutdaddy – If they are schooling right now, what are you doing on a computer???? You should be out catchin catchin catchin!!!!!!!! Alright, lets get some brownies!!

  83. By Muskyfever on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    Here is a quote I just read on the Link to Ponder that Parkway put up… Now I am still going to give Ponder till next season to really get one his case. Because trust me, he will be hear…. But here is the quote.

    I feel like this with Ponder, do you guys feel the same way????

    “NFL fans shouldn’t be more confident in their rookie kicker kicking from 60 yards than their second year quarterback throwing from five”

    Personally I would trust Clutch Walsh to hit a 60yrder before I would trust Ponder to hit an open Harvin from 5 yrds out

  84. By Parkway on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply


    This just in, we are going to run 10 YARD bubble screens now, ha HA that will fool them!

  85. By vikess86 on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    frazier and musgrave with ponder need to get together. Watch the tape of the san francisco game. What ever he did then do it again. Keep feeding AP when he is on fire. He is 100 percent. Throw Joe webb in the game throw something that the lions aren’t expected. hit the tight ends. and play harvins understudy. wright. People stop blaming the o line. cause it isn’t all on them. every last one of the players o and d need to step up. try audie cole it wouldn’t hurt.

  86. By OTKalil2012 on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    I was thinking the O-line coach was doing a good job early this season…

    But in recent weeks…It seems the Vikings better keep searching for another O-line coach…

    Protection is in meltdown for Ponder…And with each passing week…Its getting worse…

  87. By OTKalil2012 on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    How did this Vikings team win that 49er game ???…

    There one excellent effort this season…

  88. By Muskyfever on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    OTK… It was the 49ers coming in thinking they were going to smash us. Expect us to lose and we play great, expect us to win and we always play like garbage. They underestimated what we could do and they lost for it… Other teams didn’t make the same mistake

  89. By Tim S on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    Although I don’t think Webb is a long term answer,(even though the vikes haven’t gave him enough to prove me wrong) He’s a better fit for our offense. He is very good at escaping the sack and ponder is not. With the offensive line playing like thy are, Joe Webb would be a much better option.

  90. By Vikings1 on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    Here is my wish list for the Vikings in this order:

    1. Fire Musgrave, should have gotten rid of him b4 the season started.
    2. Fire the QB coach.
    3. Fir the OL coach.
    4. Give Joe Webb a chance.

    Nuff said!!!!!!!!!!!!

  91. By Vlad19 on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    Parkway, I so appreciate the willingness to accept and preach the truth… while some “homer fans” scream, “for shame”… “what kind of fan are you?”

    I got your back, the reality is worth noting and your articles so well speak to the disaster that has been Ponder, and only the visceral HOPE that we can find success with this kid motivates the alarm.

    The BEST one was, of 284 p@sses thrown, how many can you say, “Wow, that was a nice throw”.

    But rest assured there is that contingent that will repeatedly talk about that one pass he dropped into Rudolph in the endzone…. I have read that one about 12 times here already.

    Time to move on. Frederick Jones also preaches the unvarnished truth. It ain’t getting any better even IF we started “talking nice” about Ponder.

  92. By Vlad19 on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    You are right kalil about the O-line, but there is this overly used incrimination of the o-line due to Ponder’s running and pressure.

    While it is true the line is average, the fan base needs to accept the fact, Ponder does not have pocket awareness, has innate panic and flushes too quickly, AND cannot throw out of the blitz. These are the most prevalent problems – the O-line doesn’t know where Ponder will be, will he fade over the top of pocket exposing himself and then having no option but to flush, or will he inetly step up into a sack rather than slide to open space.

    Watch Ben Rothlisberger and then tell me if Ponder could be better in the pocket and in that instance, wouldn’t the O-line APPEAR to be much better???

    So again, you get a GOOD QB FIRST, you will see better results even in the O-line.

  93. By marshhof on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    i`ll be the first to admit i was one of the ponderholics but he just seems scared now i dont know but it was just like flipping a switch or somthing what happened before he had simpson back from suspention he was looking for an oprn reciever looking off defenses throwin bullets to rudolf and percy but ive noticed this ever since simpsons return if sombody drops a pass he wont throw their way anymore you cant tell me nobody is open throw em open then need qb coach favre?????? who better to teach em how to do it and not worry about an int

  94. By rory from n.w.ark on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    This is Jarius Wrights game to show what he can do ,I think he could be a surprise to us all he just needs his shot,also Rudolph and Simpson time to step up and get anything near you ,come on Vikings try some new blood in there.Audie Cole why is he not in there?

  95. By Haggar on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    I have a feeling all these guys who are asking for Joe Webb are African Aerican? Give Ponder till the rest of the year, and if he doesnt improve then go from there. Dont keep saying “Joe Webb” is the answer…………”Joe Webb” is the answer. Lets not get into the “Charles Barkley” syndrome, where we start criticizing someone because of the color of their skin like he did about Tim Tebow.

  96. By Rowrowrowyourboat on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply


  97. By Rowrowrowyourboat on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    The team needs to throw

  98. By Rowrowrowyourboat on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    more deep

  99. By Rowrowrowyourboat on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply


  100. By Rowrowrowyourboat on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    thats all there is to it.

  101. By Rowrowrowyourboat on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    Even if Ponder gets some interceptions, he needs to take some chances down field.

  102. By Rowrowrowyourboat on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    Remember when Ponder threw down field against Seattle and even though he did not complete it he got an interference call?

  103. By Rowrowrowyourboat on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    And it WAS interference! And even if Ponder gets sacked alot more, he needs to hang in the pocket longer and concentrate on checking down on his receivers.

  104. By Rowrowrowyourboat on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    If he does, he will make some great plays by completing some long and intermediate throws and THAT will increase his confidence and his passing yardage. He needs to “GO ALL OUT”. I really believe in Ponder. When hes clicking, he looks great!

  105. By Rowrowrowyourboat on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    Both passing and running.

  106. By Rowrowrowyourboat on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    Front office and coaches, compell and motivate Ponder to go all out. sell out on every play. Even If he gets sacked all three downs of a 3 and out, if he comes back the next series and completes a 20 -30 yard pass, I would consider it a successful two sets of downs. The reason is that when he completes the long pass a few times, he can hand it off to Peterson for a big run, or he can play fake to Peterson and then more opportunities will start to appear and it will mushroom from there. The key is for Ponder to “SELL OUT” or “GO ALL OUT” on every passing down . By sell out I mean stay in the pocket and dont get frightened by the pass rush, concentrate on his receivers and his running backs and check down untill he finds the one who gets open. And if he gets sacked so be it.

  107. By Rowrowrowyourboat on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    Get back up and and sell out again. He probably will get sacks and intereceptions but he will also get some long completions. Come on Christian you’ve shown us you can do it, there is nothing to be scared of, if you dont go all out you may not recover from this inigma that has set in. I for one belive that you can do it. this is the time to be Courageous! This is MAKE or BREAK time. “GO GET EM…….PONDER AND THE VIKES!”.

  108. By VikesFan on Nov 8, 2012 | Reply

    why not throw Webb in at WR?….

  109. By DrinkHeavy on Nov 8, 2012 | Reply

    Guys, keep in mind that when you have a young and inexperienced team, it’s on Frazier and the rest of the coaching staff to make sure the players are adequately prepared and motivated for each opponent. I’ve always had continue to express serious doubts about whether Frazier, Singletary et al are NFL-caliber coaches, but I’m willing to wait until the end of this year before I start calling for players’ and coaches’ heads. I said back in August that progress for me would be 7 wins this year and we still have a shot at that. Obviously the team’s confidence is shaky right now, so it’s important for fans not to go overboard with the criticism and put even more doubt into the players heads. Stay patient, try to sit back and enjoy some element of each game and manage your expectations. At the end of the year, our record will determine what happens to Frazier, Ponder and the rest of the team. GO VIKES

  110. By autobon7 on Nov 8, 2012 | Reply

    Hagger…..Im calling for Webb and Im not black. I’m also not racist…I’m just calling for the best QB no matter his color.

  111. By ponder, aka 3 and out on Nov 8, 2012 | Reply

    Ponder knows he has to play hurt, because if Webb stars he will lose his starting spot. deep down Ponder knows he is a backup or 3rs string qb

  112. By autobon7 on Nov 8, 2012 | Reply

    We SHOULD have pulled out ALL the stops and fought for more wins….instead we were worried about feelings and now we are closing in on 500. We lose this one and it will be a rebuilding year…..what a waste, what a shame.

  113. By autobon7 on Nov 8, 2012 | Reply

    Frasier and staff need to stop babying Ponder, quit worrying about hurting his feelings because they are hurting our chance at being a contender. I for one do not want a QB who is soft. We have a soft QB and coaches and look at what is happening to a promising start this year. It’s not about FEELINGS its about winning. For all of you who keep saying that we are rebuilding blah blah blah that is hog wash. So what if we are…..we still cannot dismiss being 5-2 at one point and not pull out ALL the stops to win. Who knows when we will have another start like that.

  114. By BlueBird7 on Nov 8, 2012 | Reply

    If the Vikings need a GOOD coach after this losing season I would like to suggest Jon Gruden now at ESPN booth. He has a Superbowl under his belt (Bucs)

    The Eagles will be sniffing around for him if they can Reid.

    It would be a race between Eagles, ESPN and the Vikings with most $$$$.

  115. By ponder, aka 3 and out on Nov 8, 2012 | Reply

    Gruden is a great coach. his first line of business coming in is waive Ponder

  116. By ponder, aka 3 and out on Nov 8, 2012 | Reply

    Luck is doing great this year, just like i knew he would. if i was gm, i would of told the team to drop 2 more games last year, and draft luck

  117. By Meier1 on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    The lions are going to stack the box all day to stop or slow the run. They will force Ponder to throw. I hope the coaches implement a game plan to increase slants and work the middle with TE. Take a couple shots dwn the field to keep the lions as honest as possible. Set Ponder up for some success. The only way the Vikes win is to keep the chains moving and the time clock turning. Peterson will get his. I hope they set up the run and hit peterson on quick throws out of the back field. I look forward to Hard fought yards in the trenches. Smash mouth football.

    I’m not expecting to reach the Playoffs this season or even get to many more wins this season. I’m excited to see the team play hard and rebuild. Looking forward to the draft…

    My wish list
    1. DT
    2. WR

  118. By ponder, aka 3 and out on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    a qb should be on top of your list, we need a 1st string qb

  119. By Meier1 on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    I think GM will give Ponder this and next Season. I don’t believe they will pick high enough to get the top two passers. I think Ponder will get better. I would love their fist pick to be a massive run stopper…Just like Pat Williams. Unfortunately Kevin Williams is getting older and I don’t see replacements behind him either. This will need to be addressed with high end talent…Just my thoughts…

  120. By Kathy P on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    The only good thing I see about this game is the fanfare saluting our troops. I dont think Frasier/Musgrave know what the words “making adjustments” mean. Truly, I havent seen ANY adjustments the last four games. Frasier hinted last week that Wright might play. Did he put him in even for one series? NONONONONONONONO!!!! I certainly dont see adjustments being made at all. And, people are getting sick of the same ole,same ole garbage post game from both Frasier/Ponder. “We need to play better” is no longer cutting it with most the fans anymore. Very sad indeed….

  121. By Meier1 on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    Anyone think the Vikes could get two first rounds pick for J Allen? He’s my favorite player on D but if we are going to rebuild it might be an option to explore. I think he is really the only player that would get some interest and I have confidence that we could fill alot of holes quickly on both sides of the ball…What do you think? I know its almost unthinkable, but interesting.

  122. By ponder, aka 3 and out on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply

    that would be a waste keeping Ponder another year, quit all this talk about getting better beause he’s young, it’s luck’s 1st year and he’s putting up pro-bowl numbers. the only thing Ponder will get better at is reading coverage and that will take years. the scouts made a huge mistake just watching him at only one game, the senior bowl, he stunk up the joint at Florida State

  123. By vman on Nov 11, 2012 | Reply

    just keep feeding the Beast AP !!

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