Frazier: “We Want Him (Rudolph) Involved”

Posted by Mike Wobschall on November 5, 2012 – 5:47 pm

An inability to move the ball efficiently through the air in recent weeks after the passing game looked improved early in the season has many trying to pinpoint a reason for the decline. There are many moving parts in an NFL passing attack, so it’s unlikely there is a sole culprit.

Coinciding with the Vikings decrease in passing production is the absence of TE Kyle Rudolph from the box score. Rudolph, who had 13 receptions for 138 yards and 3 TDs in the Vikings first three games this season, has been held to just 2 receptions for 17 yards over the past three games, including no receptions on Sunday in Seattle at a time when Vikings Head Coach Leslie Frazier says the team was trying to get him involved.

“We had some things called yesterday that we thought would get the ball to him and they didn’t materialize,” Frazier explained on Monday. “The good thing about Kyle’s game yesterday, he did a great job in blocking which really helped set up some of those nice runs that Adrian had.”

Blocking was not one of Rudolph’s strengths early in his career, so the fact that he’s improved that area of his game is good news for the Vikings. But make no mistake, Rudolph’s primary role is not to be a blocker.

“We do want him included in our pass game,” Frazier said. “We had some things set up for him, it didn’t happen. Partially because of coverage, partially sometimes because of the rush, and sometimes we just didn’t find him. We want him involved. We have to figure out a way to get him involved.”

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131 Responses to “Frazier: “We Want Him (Rudolph) Involved””

  1. By vikingbob136 on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply

    Chiefs just cut Stanford Routt. He is only 29 and he is 6 foot 1.Would be a nice pick up.
    I hope Ponder pulls a groin with his new girlfriend so Webb can get a shot.

  2. By ponder, aka 3 and out on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply

    Rudolf is a good target because he doesn’t run deep fly patterns

  3. By David Plowman on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply

    I hope the coaches would pull something so someone else can call plays. That is my hope. Also you you think the vikings can get the number 1 pick in 2013?

  4. By novascotiavike on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply

    “There are many moving parts in an NFL passing attack, so it’s unlikely there is a sole culprit”.
    Wobschall, I am a 55 year old male and I have a better chance of getting cervical cancer than of ever hearing you calling out a player by name.

  5. By tomcat on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply

    Looks like the Vikings have been exposed for what they are- a good YOUNG team that still has some holes to fill. After a few early wins, a lot of people ( including myself) got their expectations a little too high, and it`s hard coming back down to earth. We don`t need to bench the q.b., fire the coach, or get all panicky. We simply need a few more players before we start thinking Superbowl. It all starts Sunday vs. the Kittens, and I predict a big win. Skol!!

  6. By Animal26 on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply

    Tomcat: Those “Kittens” are going to tear the Vikings apart, as long as Noodle arm Ponder is starting. People can stop babying this guy and stop drinking the purple Kool-aid. This season is over! The Vikings will lose every game til the season ends.

    The bad news is the Vikings will defiantly lose Harvin in free agency now and there is nothing the Vikings can do about it now. When we lose him, I wont blame him one bit, because he Wants a real QB, not a joke like Ponder

  7. By David Plowman on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply

    Tomcat I like your support for the team, but if the coaches coach the same as they have in the last 3 games (which they will) it will be another loss. I think the vikings will end up 5-11. Best case 6-11. Good luck vikings.

  8. By 32frank12 on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply

    What do you guys think of the chances of Vikings picking up Cb Stanford Routt?

  9. By David Plowman on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply

    Based on previous vikings history, I would say the chances are very close to 0.00.

  10. By Animal26 on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply

    0% chance.

  11. By dieseldog on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply

    the season is over so there is no sense in picking up Routt….they should play the young guys that they have so that they get some experience.

  12. By dieseldog on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply

    besides that, the vikings won’t pick anybody up that is not coming off an injury…ala John Carlson, geoph Swaertz

  13. By C'mon Man! on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply

    Noodle arm, how original. Bunch of idiot monday morning armchair QB’s in here.

  14. By vikingfanforlife on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply

    Ponder needs to finish out the season, Musgrave needs to be fired. If the defense keeps playing like it has we may need a new D.C. too. See if Ponder can turn the corner, if not see ya later. Taking him out now would be a huge mistake. We can always use better draft picks. Look at the bright side of things, just how far did you think we were going this year. Chill out Ladies

  15. By vikingbob136 on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply

    @David Plowman
    Can’t get the number 1 pick.Too many teams are worse than us.(Browns, Jaguars,Panthers to name a few).
    A number 6 pick would be an excellent position.

  16. By PurplHaze on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply

    I’ve been a strong CP supporter, but as of late I’m beginning to second-guess my viewpoint. I’m no longer convinced that he’s our “QB of the future”.

    But make no mistake about it. I still am convinced that Webb isn’t our guy either.

    I think it’s becoming increasingly more likely that, if CP doesn’t show noticeable improvement and confidence in the coming weeks, My Team will be searching for a new Head Coach AND QB in the coming off-season.

  17. By QB on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply

    Vikingfanforlife, I agree one more shot for Ponder, as for how far I thought we were going this year. I’ve started every year, I’ve been a fan since 1965, thinking we are going all the way. If you are a fan for life I suggest you do too. I beleive this team could go all the way with some different, less predictable play calling, playing some guys like Audie Cole, Jarius Wright and mixing things up offensively and defensively.
    All it takes is to make the playoffs, then all bets are off, just look at the Giants this time last year, and the Packers. Who would you have picked?
    I beleive in miracles, tis the season.

  18. By vikingbob136 on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply

    How about Ponder getting involved with opening up the offense a little?
    How about Gerhart getting some carries?
    How about Cole playing a series?
    How about Carlson getting cut?
    How about some rookies who have some fire in their bellies playing a little?
    How about some imagination on offense?
    How about Allen getting his nose cut so he goes off on Stafford?
    How about surprising us with 4 or 5 offensive touchdowns?
    Am i asking too much?

  19. By T on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply

    This team is a joke. Only a few good years in the last 20 years!!. They continue to keep garbage like Ponder and let real talent go aka Harvin. Who would you rather have on your team Ponder or Harvin? Unfortunately Vikes will have Ponder and no Harvin when next year rolls around. Perhaps, they could take time to find a real coach. They missed out on two past DC (Dungy & Tomlin) who proved worthy of headcoaching jobs so they tossed Frazier the job. Mistake! This team hasn’t gotten better in any way whatsoever. The early wins were against BAD teams other than SF. Of course they didn’t even beat all the BAD teams on their schedule IND, TB, Seattle. No more wins this year and nothing changes next year because no wants to admit Ponder is not worthy of being NFL QB. This team has lost to three rookie Qb’s this year and Ponder is in second year but is a joke. My grandma could throw for 63 yards with Harvin on the team. The entire Coaching staff is a joke and failure is all that is ahead. Number one picks don’t matter when your picking Ponder, Gerhart types that don’t really help where you need help. Vikes are a joke until they get a real Coach.

  20. By novascotiavike on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply

    Frazier: “We Want Him (Rudolph) Involved”
    Fans: “We Want Him (Frazier) Unemployed”

  21. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply

    We want him involved. HUH? What kind of cognitive display is that? We want our offense to participate on the field. We want our receivers to catch the ball. We want our offensive linemen to block. We want our quarterback to throw the ball into the hands of the receivers, consistently, for gains. DUH!


  22. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply

    Strange how much money is involved in the NFL yet it is run like a nursery where we don’t want to disturb little Johhny’s ego and take his toy and make him share with little Sally.

    GIVE ME A BREAK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    What other organization– for profit or not for profit wallows through the mud of mediocrity? Gee, sorry, we cannot do very well today– come back next week and we will goof up again. Nope, we won’t change our strategy. Keep doing it– one of these weeks we might turn a profit.

  23. By James on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply

    Why would you guys want ponder to finish the season? He can’t play! We need to figure out if Webb can contribute or even if bethal can play, he got a better arm

  24. By David Plowman on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply

    You know the most scary? The vikings next year will be playing games outside. With the way they are this year it will be comedy central. I have been a fan since 1963 and there have been some lean years but this coaching staff and players is really getting to be a joke. Also Harvin will not be there next year. A couple of more weeks and the current starters will cash in the seaon and stop playing. By the looks of things the coaches cashed in a ling time ago. Whoever hired Fraizer and then Musgrave, they need to go. I can only hope but man next year is going to be bad REAL BAD.

  25. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply

    Plowman, Zygi Wilf hired Frazier– and Zygi owns the team, if you haven’t heard. He ain’t goin nowhere.

  26. By TT33 on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply

    Step back from the ledge there Plowman……j.esus man, it’s not the end of the world

  27. By Spencer on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply

    Titus im shocked you want a QB change, you love Ponder.

  28. By iaVIKE on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply

    Yeah dude we’re 5-4 right now, it could be worse. Have a little faith in the purple

  29. By Spencer on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply

    I have faith…in Joe Webb

  30. By Animal26 on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply

    Plowman is right though TT33. Percy Harvin will not be here next year. The reason for that is very simple. He wants to play with a real QB, that can actually throw the ball to him. I for one, will not blame Percy in the least, when he leaves. The Vikings will be taking a few steps back next year…………..

  31. By Animal26 on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply

    Hopefully a QB will be on the market in free agency, because the QB’s in this years draft class is weak.

  32. By Shawn on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply

    “We want him(Rudolph) involved”

    You’re a D’am genius Gump!!!!!!

  33. By Shawn on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply

  34. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply

    Spencer, I never loved Ponder– I thought he might be the one– but go back to preseason, I kept raving on MBT— I can just imagine how MBT would be playing if he had 19 games under his belt like Ponder does. MBT would look like Favre right now and we would be 8-0.

  35. By James on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply

    In his press conference Frazier said that on the throw to aromashodu was deflected!! Clearly the play was a play action ponder rolled to his right and aromashodu was running open across the middle and ponder threw while on the run and NOBODY DEFLECTED the ball! Talking about watching films!!! Frazier obviously didn’t!

  36. By novascotiavike on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply

    Tough crowd, eh Wobschall. Try something new, like writing an intelligent blog.

  37. By wacky on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply


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  39. By H.M.G. on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply

    Norv Turner for OC.
    Fire Musgrave!

  40. By H.M.G. on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply

    Musgrave’s offensive coaching ability is on par with Wibble Wobbles’ writing ability.

  41. By H.M.G. on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply

    Musgrave’s play calling is OFFENSIVE!

  42. By H.M.G. on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply

    Rudolph is a 6’6 260 lbs. ghost in Musgrave’s offense.

  43. By Shawn on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply


  44. By Parkway on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply

    I think 5-11 will barely get us a top 10 pick. The browns, bills, chiefs, raiders, jets, titans and panthers will all struggle to make it to 5 wins so they will all be ahead of us for sure.

  45. By Frederick Jones on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply


    I’m with you baby if you are saying give Ponder a break, and sit him for a spell. You’ve mentioned MBT as the replacement which I disagree with, but even he would be better than the mentally s.c.r.e.w.e.d up Ponder.

    JOE can throw, run, catch, jump, and is strong, and smart. Believe it because it is true!!!

  46. By Frederick Jones on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply

    The Vikings will win most of their home games, perhaps even with Ponder in there.
    8-8 was my pre-season prediction. It looks like I might be right, unfortunately.

  47. By Frederick Jones on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply

    Spielman did a pretty good job with the draft, although it may be too soon to judge.

    I don’t think he did to good a job drafting in the years leading up to last year though.

  48. By Frederick Jones on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply

    4 in row for DoggOfJones

  49. By Frederick Jones on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply


    I’m with you baby if you are saying give Ponder a break, and sit him for a spell. You’ve mentioned MBT as the replacement which I disagree with, but even he would be better than the mentally s.c.r.e.w.e.d up Ponder.

    JOE can throw, run, catch, jump, and is strong, and smart. Believe it because it is true!!!


  50. By Shawn on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply

    Fred I said 8-8 as well and Im not sure about that with Musgrave and Ponder.

    Detroit …

    ouch right now Detroit and Rams … only two possible wins. This team is playing awful football

    Ponder cant throw
    Ponder turns the ball over

    Cant stop the run
    Cant stop the pa’ss

    I think Detroit beats us … so looks like 6-10

  51. By Parkway on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply

    Detroit will beat us, without Harvin they will put 11 in the box

  52. By Spencer on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply

    We finally get to see Jairus Wright

  53. By xvike on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply

    Detroit has a good chance of beating us. With the way ponder has been playing, definitely. Ponder didn’t win us the game against the lions last time. If i can recall, he did almost next to nothing. 100 yds passing or something. Our special teams and defense won us that game. I doubt they will again. Not only that, Detroit has been playing pretty well since their bye. Not spectacular, but much better than the vikings.

  54. By H.M.G. on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply

    To bad its because of Harvin getting hurt.
    Jenkins and Aromashodu are awful.
    Ellison and Reisner are better and cheaper options at TE then Carlson.
    Cut Carlson and FIRE MUSGRAVY!

  55. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply

    Fred, you are one of my favorite bloggers, but calling me baby?

  56. By H.M.G. on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply

    Little more then half that. 63 yards p@ssing.
    They should post something in the Newspaper.
    WRs wanted! Will pay the untalented or old losers MILLIONS to sit and do nothing!

  57. By H.M.G. on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply

    Baby fever Titus.

  58. By H.M.G. on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply

    Lori had her’s on The Walking Dead. Resulting in being shot in the head.

  59. By H.M.G. on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply

    Where is Hank Baskett? He likely would want in on that job in the Newspaper.

  60. By 03 on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply

    To the Vikes heads:

    Let’s face it, let’s be real here, no pretending, no precious investment. You know better that that!! Don’t get involved with Spielman!!! He wants to do business, not football. It is typical problem of our society. Get real!! You know Ponder is not good. Don’t pretend!!!! This cause you to play extremely boring game. I rather want to see exciting game even though loosing it. Bring MBT!!

  61. By Shawn on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply

    Peterson is exciting … i dont need an Aaron Rodgers. Just an Andy Dalton would do.

  62. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply

    Quiet gang! Titus is in the zone! Man, I am writing some killer stuff!

  63. By 03 on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply

    Frazier says Ponder is confident for the execution plan. I wish Ponder realize how bad he is…

  64. By Shawn on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply

    I asked Ponder to retire on his twitter … he hasnt responded yet, oddly enough.

  65. By Shawn on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply

    I also asked if he is able to through a pass deeper than a bubble screen … its been 24+ hours and he wont answer.

  66. By Vikingsak on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply

    Boy is it ,ever hard to be a Viking fan. Ponder is a bust quit making excuses for him. When we drafed him some of the so called experts said he was the most NFL ready Qb in the draft. Smart, quick to pick things up, etc. Well he’s regressed so far he can’t hit open recievers 10 yards away. He hasn’t passed for a 100 yards in weeks. AD is leading the league on the ground and Percy is a beast when he gets the ball, which is not happing with any regularity. Frazier continues to support Ponder and that will get him run out of town sooner than later. Musgrave has No imagination and runs the same thing to death. Bench Ponder and give Joe Webb his shot. Last year he showed flashes of being a first rate Qb, he can run this club and get the ball down field.He has escapablilty, and he could change up what we all ready have going on…………………….. nothing at the QB position.
    Ziggy, looks like Andy Reid will be avialable next season, he’s a football coach.

  67. By Richard1A on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply

    Rudolph now? they only have two plays in the play book, Harvin play and the Peterson play, with Harvin hurt it occurs to the coachs there is nobody in the Harvin play position,,,,we need new coachs……………………………..Webb can play as bad as Ponder only Webb can run, get Webb in there.

  68. By Shawn on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply

    LOL Richard … I can see that being the playbook. Musgrave covering his mouth with a playcard that says Harvin on one side and Peterson on the other. Scratching his head and thinking … hmmm second and long …. lets try Peterson play. Daw gone it … ok ok lets get them with Harvin play. Punt

  69. By viking181164 on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply

    trade musgrave for a new ponder all the way this way will get a new coaching staff..

  70. By viking181164 on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply

    its an aweful crime we missed LUCK by 2 picks…indy has a killer qb for years now..we have ponder hahaha

  71. By H.M.G. on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply

    Bananas! That is what is on Musgrave’s mind during games.
    He wants to know if the bananas on his kitchen counter are ripe or rotten.
    He is confused by this so he can not focus on play calling.
    Yes that explains it all.
    BLAME THE BANANAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Some one please help him with this conundrum.

  72. By Shawn on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply

    181164 … or RG3 by one pick

  73. By Shawn on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply

    or Andy Dalton in round 2

    or Ryan Mallet in round 6 … i think maybe it was 4th

  74. By Larry Sanchez on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply

    Let’s get Tony Romo or Mark Sanchez in Minny….
    Trade Ponder and release the coaching staff and replace with Herm Edwards….
    WE in serious if we lose to the Lions… home…..Bye Bye Vikes….
    we should have gotten Justin Blackmon over matt kalil all day….
    But NO PICACHEW knows everything….
    Fire Spielman……Ziggy do us the fans a huge flavor…..Spielman has no vision….

  75. By john on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply

    harvin will get the franhise tag next year …..

  76. By john on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply

    harvin will get the tag next year ….. he hasn’t had one on him yet … i don’t know why u think the vikings will let him on the free agent market it isn’t going to happen ……..the vikings didn’t use there’s last year …..he be tagged …..

  77. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply

    Ponder is told run up the middle. Ponder is told– blah blah blah— I just realized when dissecting the game that Ponder is overcoached. I relate to the kid as I am above avg in intelligence– and when I goof things up is when I have too many forces pulling on me, trying to please everyone– let the kid relax and have fun– I bet he plays 100 times better. The problem is the coaching.

  78. By robb on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply

    Ponder,one word…hypnosis.LOLAnd hey why not Webb? If Ponder were to get hurt then that’s their #2 who would still be tasked with the same regimen and expectations as Ponder is now and in a metaphoric sense Ponder is hurt,albeit pschologicaly.

  79. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply

    The players basically do what they are told– they work together in a big scheme designed by the coaches. Great coaches orchestrate wins– yes, they need talent to execute, but poor coaching is the problem here– we have a lot of good players. Notice that when we played the Niners we were still thought of as an easy win? No one thought much about us. Well, teams started to take notice. We demolished a bad Titans team and beat the Lions with an overall team win– but after that, all the teams saw us as a huge threat at 5-2. So, they began to study us– and ever since they have walloped us– why? Good coaching. Opposing teams are able to dissect our schemes and easily adjust– and we are being out coached. Players execute– but they execute the strategies of the coaches.

  80. By murdog101 on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply

    I would like the fan’s of the Minnesota Viking’s to vote on changing the Viking color’s to black -gold and white.Purple just dont cut it!!!

  81. By Shawn on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply

    I would like fans of other teams to go to their own blog … we dont care what sorry a$$ opinion you have.

  82. By murdog101 on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply

    Also play Joe Webb especially in the red zone it’s a no brainer

  83. By murdog101 on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply

    Da vikes is my team

  84. By purplehaze1 on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply

    murdog1…i would make subtle changes to the unis, to coincide with the new stadium…the helmets changed to gold (not Puker colors…T Bay gold)…the jerseys stay purple but remove that ungodly stripe down the side, and replace it with 2 small white stripes with gold borders (similar to the original jerseys)…the pants same color as the helmets…numbers gold with white borders and the Viking head logo as arm patches…Mushgravy is a joke…Frazier is totally lost…if they tag PH…that will p*i*s*s* him off even more…a new OC…QB then PAY THE MAN…Percy in Purple…anything else is just wrong….GO VIKES!!!!!

  85. By Ozzinator on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply

    Oz heard FredDogg playin’ the race card again, disappointed to say the least, thought Dogg was smarter than that!
    Ol Oz might have to reconsider the content of Fredward’s posts, and his character.

  86. By southpawsteve albany n.y vike fan on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply

    Ponder lost his confidence. How can they beat a great team like the 49ers and then end up like this? It’s ridiculous.
    When i was listening to this game I was so frustrated, I kept saying when are they going to take Ponder out ,get Webb in there make something happen, they had a chance to win that game if they utilized Rudolph and Simpson and where is Jarius Wright what do they have to lose they let the other rookies play.
    I agree the offense is way to predictable Percy said himself the defense that the stupid overplayed bubble screen pass was coming.
    Isaid it was coming they are going to burn out and injure our two key players Harvin and Peterson.
    Sure enough Percy is hurt. I feel sorry for A.P this week he’s the Lone Offense. offensive needs to step it up.
    Defense is also getting burned out by Mr.Three and out. Ive been a Viking fan for 42 years this is frustrating.

  87. By DAO on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply

    Last year about this time, myself along with others said that Christian Ponder wasn’t a starting NFL caliber quarterback. He lacks arm strength, courage, and decision making abilities. Defenses know he can’t throw down field without floating the ball. Right now with the last two games he has regressed backwards. C’mon two games under 100 yards passing……that isn’t even rookie stats. Look at the other young quarterbacks in the league and compare them to Ponder. This is one of the few bad decisions Rick Spielman has made.

  88. By vikes or die on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply

    Well at least we have a better team then last year and have the ability to win any game. Just have to watch and see how it all shakes out. The players and coaches don’t want to loose, so it’s time to trust that they will come together and turn it around. I was upset Sunday, but it won’t do any good to gripe and moan. Just have to keep the faith and believe in the coaches and players. We love the Vikes, win or loose. Go Vikes!!!!

  89. By Muskyfever on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply

    I do hope that after this season that we put the franchise tag on Harvin. Seeing him out there in any other jersey would be just wierd. I have also thought that he is a great player and anywhere he goes he will be great. But if he leaves he will not get the rock as much as he would if he were here. Other teams already have other stars that also want the rock. So his touches would be limited in comparison. So Harvin if you really want to shine… stay here!

    We need him on this team, my wife may also stop watching football with me on Sundays if she can’t cheer for Harvin.

    Rudolf is better then what this year has even shown, Rudolf is the only one Ponder has proved he can throw on target too, probably because Rudolf is so huge that… well….. how can you miss??

    I hope this team turns it around here soon and finds a few more W’s in the mix. Honestly I don’t care if we win one game for the rest of the season as long as we beat GB at least once… That will make me the happiest! Next season I will be banking on a new OC, some new down field weapons and a franchise tagged Percy Harvin. These are on my Xmas wish list

  90. By 61Vikings on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply

    Percy is out for Sundays game against Detroit, he’s on crutches!! So what is this organization doing to sign another wideout?? Plaxico Burress is sitting out there waiting for a phone call!! Hopefully we’ll get to see the rookie Jarius Wright this weekend!!!

  91. By Gilberator on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply

    @Larry Sanchez Blackmon over Kalil? Are you high? We STILL cant give our receivers time to run their routes. Kalil has been playing outstanding. Look at petersons game now that we have a good player like Kalil on the O-line. Frazier is not the issue, Musgrave is the issue. Mcnabb sucked when he was here partially because he was a wash up, and partially because Musgrave doesnt know how to get this offense going. Harvin is great but why are we putting him in the backfield?!?!?!!?! Idc if he gives us 15 yards thats putting him at risk of an injury. Oh….wait a second…..didnt that JUST HAPPEN SUNDAY?!?!? We won 3 freakin games last year and we already have 5 wins under our belt. I actually liked what speilman did during the offseason. Besides our O-line FA adds, I think we have a very good football team. Seriously, stop complaining with “fire Frazier” “fire spielman”. We should start at the OC position considering the fact that our D plays very well when healthy. If our offense could start moving the ball, our defense wont be on the field so long. We have had one offseason since our franchise worst record season. Chill out. Webb is not the answer, drafting another QB is not the answer. Ponder can get it done. @ T shutup. just shut your mouth. Your list of “bad teams” is ridiculous. Look at indy now. Look at TB. Look at Seattle!!! If you think those teams are bad, you dont watch football. This isnt 2010 anymore. We need a new playbook/OC to run this offense. Gerhart is a great player. Pull your head out of your a-s-s. How can you be so sure that cleaning house of the staff is going to change anything? What if it makes it worse? With your thinking, that can’t even be a possibility right? This sunday, why dont you watch the game and study whats really wrong. Our sheer talent won us those games in the beginning of the season. Now, like Titus said, teams are studying us. Thats when Musgrave’s got the spotlight on him. Not good enough. He needs to bail

  92. By Gilberator on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply

    @musky fever I agree. Rudolph is a fantastic addition to our team. One that will pay off as long as we can get the ball to him. Harvin needs to stay. Lets get him at the WR position 100% of the time. We have peterson and gerhart to run out of the backfield. Harvin is pointless considering opposing defenses know hes getting the ball….whats he gonna do….block?!?! Musgrave is just too stupid. Look at atlanta now that hes gone. They are looking to be #1 Superbowl contendors this year. I want to stick with Ponder. He is smart, he has been throwing the ball away more often unlike last year when hed try to make a play, hed turn it over. I think he has a great arm personally. Hes not like fitzpatrick.

  93. By 61Vikings on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply

    We are who we thought we would be, a running team!! So let’s give them a triple dose of AP, Toby and let’s get Joe Webb involved in the running game!! Keep the passing game simple, which it has to be with Ponder!!! Lets face it Viking fans, with a 5-4 record most teams dont make changes at QB!!!!

  94. By Gilberator on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply

    Another note, I hate pressers and stuff just as much as you guys but put yourself in their shoes. They go up to the podium, and answer the same questions every week. They dont want to be up there talking about how bad they just played….would you? You tell them the same things just to get off the podium. Talking about it is not going to win football games, practicing during the week will. Take pressers with a grain of salt. The tinniest grain. Frazier doesnt necessarily want to say the same things over and over but what are you going to say. the problem is we need a new OC. Frazier isnt going to talk to the press about that.

  95. By ? on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply

    Frazier is not going to bench 3 and out Ponder. nor will he take over play calling from 2 plays musgrave. Frazier will ride the viking ship right down to the bottom.
    Beat GB once? Forget it, musky. starting with the detroit game with 3 and out, will be the start of the downhill slide which will give us 4th or 5th round pick next year. Would love to see harvin and peterson on another team that can win.

  96. By 61Vikings on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply

    Our defense has gotten worse since the 4-1 start!! We are getting gashed in the running game which then opens up the passing game for the other team!! Never would have thought that we would be 0-3 against rookie QB’s so far!! It just goes to show you that we didn’t do our homework when we drafted Ponder, instead panicking and grasping at straws when we took him at the # 12 pick in the draft!! I think the Vikings were stunned when Tennessee jumped over the Vikes an took Jake Locker, who I think the Vikings really wanted all along!! We panicked and took a big chance on Ponder and it hasn’t worked out yet!!!!

  97. By Larry Sanchez on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply

    @ Golberator: & I have never believed in your Frazier, an EX Chicago Bear player….

    How can you be patient when players like Jared Allen are laughing on the sidelines when losing to the Skins & Indy in the 4th quarter ?


    You won’t win a Superbowl with Ponder or Webb….Agreed

    Kalil is solid & yes credit Peterson’s speed
    I don’t believe one OT can make a huge difference in run blocking & also Ponder has has TERRIBLE POCKET AWARENESS
    I don’t care how smart & how many degrees he has ?
    He doesn’t feel the FLOW of the game.
    We live in a NOW SOCIETY
    GIVE ME ROMO or SANCHEZ or Ryan Mallett, Bradty’s backup

  98. By TIMBOB on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply

    Can fix the problem easily. Defense Greenway is a weak side line backer. Keep him there. He needs to slash use his speed. You run right at him he is lost. Watch they have been running right at him. That’s all Tampa Bay did. So did the Hawks. That does not make him bad just the way it is. Hardest hitters on the Defense Smith, Brinkley and Griffin. Need to keep them in. Like to see this Cole kid play. Offence our line is doing fine. Best way to slow done a rush a screen, why do we not throw a screen. With our young fast line, why not? Musgrave does not like them never ran one in Atlanta they let him go and know look at them. Let Webb get in see if it is our QB the problem. You cannot hit a big target like Rudolph, You have issues. I think Musgrave has Ponders head so messed up he cannot play. But we have not made any adjustments or new plays. We have become to vanilla. They have had good drafts. Never understood Ponder. I wanted JJ Watt then AC Green. Develop Webb with Sage. But for now start Ponder, he falters Pull em. Want to keep Percy. Percy likes Webb. Play Webb. Percy will stay to help Webb, Easy

  99. By Troutdaddy on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply

    Of course we want Rudolf involved. This is about as big of a “DUH!” as you can get. The problem is that we need Frazier and Misgrave involved in making changes that move the team forward, not backwards… As much as I like Ponder, he too needs to look in the mirror and man-up and if he can’t pull it together then HE should be calling for Webb to step in. Hows that for owning up to the situation? Put it this way. If the Viking do not win this week then there will be a mutiny on the Viking ship and the fans will be calling for everyone’s head. (They are already partially doing it now) But let me remind us all that again- THIS TEAM IS REBUILDING and as painful as it is to watch and as frustrated as we fans can get, we must ride it out and hope that growth is going to be the end result. If not, then it is a do-over next year and we get to do it all over again. Let’s see what happens this week and then we can start whining or being hopeful again…

  100. By Gilberator on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply

    @ larry sanchez You would rather have Mark Sanchez and Tony Romo?!?!?!?! Oh my goodness. The two most under performing QBs in the national football league. Why not build around Ponder like we ORIGINALLY PLANNED ON!!!! You give Ponder more time in the pocket, it gives our WRs more time to break free of their coverage. Maybe we do need a new head coach but firing everyone at once will probably do nothing. Ponder has good pocket awareness. All your doing is blaming everything on the QB. You know whats the difference between those rookies we faced and our team? better gameplans and better coaching. Ponders quick on his feet, has a good arm, and has a positive attitude. Cam Newton is sad and playing like garbage and look at how much talent he has. You need to stop complaining about our second year. This is a new team. We still need the chemistry. We also need a deep threat. Simpson played well in Cinci, he can play well here. Lets get a OC, WR, and a few good O-line players. Sanchez is AWFUL. Im still finding it hard to believe you would even suggest that. Are you 4 years old? Take away Bryant, Witten and Austin; Romo is nothing. Ponder is a WAY better choice then both of those put together.

  101. By Larry Sanchez on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply

    Well put & give Romo or Sanchez

  102. By Gilberator on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply

    @ troutdaddy I couldnt agree more. Ponder had 63 yards of offense through the air. I think these babies crying in here forget that Seattle might have the best secondary in the league. If tom brady and rodgers cant throw against seattle like they normally do, do expect this team to crush when we were predicted to win only 4 games this year?!?! Time to come back to earth. We are rebuilding. Its not like we are superbowl contendors. After a better OC comes to town and another draft we will be looking ALOT better.

  103. By 1vikingsfan on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply

    They are barely paying attention to the passing game and is has been 3 weeks that ponder is disappointed us. Like last week they said the run and this week they struggle in stopping the run to why this time they say they need to improve the passing? Well I think the problem in this team is the coaching staff. Get rid of Frazier and bill Musgrave. Those two moves will be the best choice for Vikings to start next year.

  104. By Kevin on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply

    Insanity- Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. The coaching staff is insane.

  105. By viking181164 on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply

    start substituting other guys to see what you have…no point making them watch when they’re itching to get playing time…this is all coaching and the undesire not to make adjustments during game time situations…fire frazier promote singletary and get rid of musgrave and williams…

  106. By DVis on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply

    If only the Vikings had about 2-3 more good recievers, an O-line that could pass protect, a QB that could read a defense and an OC that know what he was doing I think this would be a SB team.

  107. By David Plowman on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply

    Faith is wearing a little thin. The team needs better coaching and better players. Good luck with that.

  108. By southpawsteve albany n.y vike fan on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply

    I totally agree with 61 Vikings get Jarius Wright in there the other rookies are playing.
    What do they have to lose.
    Jenkins and Aromoshado is not catching water
    . Yes Plexico is out there and he’s not going to cost a lot of money. Plus he has something to prove. As Viking fans we are all thinking alike. After reading everyone’s post we are all on the same page.
    Ponder is going backwards.
    Run the wildcat offense Peterson,Gerhart,Peterson,Gerhart
    .There is no sense of having any receivers with Ponder now that Percy got burned out. Peterson will be next.
    This offensive coordinator is a predictable robot. The defense is figuring why should we stop them when Ponder is stopping us.
    Three and out,defense burnout,Three and out Defense is burned out.
    Joe Webb can make things happen he can run, yes he can throw the famous bubble screen,In fact he can throw at least 15 yards.
    CMON shake things up a little bit.

  109. By Larry Sanchez on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply


  110. By James on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply

    And we have Gilbert here standing up for ponder? As good as the secondary is for the hawks…you have to admit that ponder can’t wen hit his target five yards out! The game against Tampa…they weren’t that good and ponder still choke!

  111. By Vlad19 on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply

    The article avoids the ONE certain component to a successful passing game, and why ours is failing….. a QB.

    And only Ponder could miss or not see a wide open 6-6 Kyle Rudolph on a number of occasions. His mind was swimming in fear and anxiety and a gamplean….

    “Lions and Tigers and Bears, oh my!”

  112. By Vlad19 on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply

    And WHY do I keep reading this nonsense about Ponder having a “good arm” or “good pocket awareness”????

    Like that sack when he steps up into a good push on Fusco… he had about 3-4 yards to move to his left and up in pocket, but Ponder steps RIGHT INTO a sack as he runs right up to Fusco instead of sliding to his left and getting the extra second… Is that the pocket awareness that you guys are referencing?

    As for “good arm”, sorry, Jake Plummer had a good arm by comparison. Chad Pennington a cannon compared to Ponder. Keep on with that argument and you will mute your argument entirely as it is not even close to true – no one will listen to the balance of your missives. Just fact, no offense. Ponder has the worst arm in the NFL.

    I’d take Ty Detmer right now!

  113. By Vlad19 on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply

    TIMBOB, great point on Greenway thing, running right at him. But it is not necessarily for Greenway’s inability, because the guy is that good, but it is because he is mad man and hustler from weak side and runs plays down…. Brinkley and Henderson are LOST and play so vertical they pushed around like toys, and they can’t find the ball OR want nothing to do with the ball carrier (watch the game vid again, Brinkley takes himself OUT of plays, and looks intentional!!!).

    So in the end, run AT Greenway, you almost take two LBers out of the play, THAT is why they are running at him – our other yahoos can’t man up.

  114. By Vikings1 on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply

    I have said repeadedly, Ponder cannot read defenses especially on blitzes. I have also said that he should study all the tape he can get his hands on concerning Payton Manning. Before Payton went to Denver, their receivers were mediocre at best but the man can read defenses. Sure, Payton wasn’t that great when he got drafted but he worked his butt of with his receivers and many times he was the 1st one in the tape room and the last to leave. If Ponder want to get better it will take hard work to get there and he is no where close to being an NFL caliber QB at this point, nuff said!!!!!!!!!!!!

  115. By William Kraft on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply

    Come on guys

  116. By john 61 on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply

    vikes will be ok with new oc,ponder will be mess till they get rid of him,this is a young team,2 more drafts and we will be great

  117. By montinmiami on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    The one thing that we as fans are truely looking for in this team is some real passion………… We all know that each and every player and coach want to win. Know matter how you cut it, the fact of the matter is when you step on the field at the beginning of the season. The main goal, no matter who you put on the field is to get to the superbowl. I’ve been saying for sometime now, that the ability to judge true talent has been a real problem for this staff. They really need to honestly evaluate and do what would make the most sence for a team that has seven games still on it’s schedule. This team is not so bad. They just need to shake this what I like to call the Bud Grant attitude. Its just too solum. Joe Webb is a awesome talent, with a winning mentality that deserves an opertunity to show something… I think we all might be amazed. Audie Cole, kid pulls down two back to back TDs in the preseason. Hasn’t seen the field this year. And why even talk about next year? Um? aren’t they going to be playing outside? Lets hope they can get a clue before the seasons over.

  118. By Old School on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    I think, I hate to say this, Ponder needs to be left out there and let him either pull himself out of this or show that he can’t handle NFL pressure and then be done with him at the end of the season.

    If he gets it done….well, they look smart for not pulling him!

    If doesn’t get it done…….another high draft pick….you bench him…and then you start figure it out…..AGAIN!

  119. By Old School on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    What is the deal with this MBT kid!

    6’4….230 lbs………BIG ARM FROM WHAT I HAVE READ……….

    That sounds like a NFL QB!


    I don’t think anyone can be worse than his play in recent games!

  120. By Old School on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    I hate being a Vikings Fan sometimes!


    1. By the time we figure out the QB deal…………..
    A. A.P. will have started to lose that step or two that makes great RB’s Great.
    B. Percy will not be here because he will not resign.
    C. Jared Allen will also be a step or two slower.
    D. Greenway also.

    This team is going to be in the NFC North cellar for years!

  121. By Gilberator on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply

    No you guys are right. I was a fool to support the hope of ponders progression. We should just follow the vlad program and clean house and just start over. Lets get rid of everyone but Peterson and Harvin. Thats the only way. Give me a break. Guarantee every single one of those rookies we lost to, would have little success if they were on the vikings. Grass is always greener. Idc how good the QB is. If he doesnt have time to do anything, he loses. We should just keep wasting a pick trying to find that Goldilocks QB huh? Bunch of idiots in here. This was supposed to be a rebuilding year and all you people do is cry and moan because we lost to a bunch of teams that were better than us.

  122. By Jerry on Nov 8, 2012 | Reply

    Vikings have the players to be a playoff team however this will not happen. WHY? Because the head coach does not see Ponder is NOT working out and refuses to bench him long enough to try Webb out. Until the Vikings owners decide it is time to kick head coach OUT they will not win games. Leslie just stands on the side line with the same look on his face no EXCITEMENT at all for what is going on out on the field. I know Ponder does not want to see the bench however it may wake him up PLAY or SIT you decide! If you don’t produce you don’t play.

  123. By Larry Sanchez on Nov 8, 2012 | Reply

    I agree

  124. By YourAllWhiners on Nov 8, 2012 | Reply

    The team needs to throw more deep throws thats all there is to it. Even if Ponder gets some interceptions, he needs to take some chances down field.
    Remember when Ponder threw down field against Seattle and even though he did not complete it he got an interference call? And it WAS interference! And even if Ponder gets sacked alot more, he needs to hang in the pocket longer and concentrate on checking down on his receivers. If he does, he will make some great plays by completing some long and intermediate throws and THAT will increase his confidence and his passing yardage. He needs to “GO ALL OUT”. I really believe in Ponder. When hes clicking, he looks great! Both passing and running. Front office and coaches, compell and motivate Ponder to go all out. sell out on every play. Even If he gets sacked all three downs of a 3 and out, if he comes back the next series and completes a 20 -30 yard pass, I would consider it a successful two sets of downs. The reason is that when he completes the long pass a few times, he can hand it off to Peterson for a big run, or he can play fake to Peterson and then more opportunities will start to appear and it will mushroom from there. The key is for Ponder to “SELL OUT” or “GO ALL OUT” on every passing down . By sell out I mean stay in the pocket and dont get frightened by the pass rush, concentrate on his receivers and his running backs and check down untill he finds the one who gets open. And if he gets sacked so be it. Get back up and and sell out again. He probably will get sacks and intereceptions but he will also get some long completions. Come on Christian you’ve shown us you can do it, there is nothing to be scared of, if you dont go all out you may not recover from this inigma that has set in. I for one belive that you can do it. this is the time to be Courageous! This is MAKE or BREAK time. “GO GET EM…….PONDER AND THE VIKES!”.

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