Frazier Says Vikings Will Go Through Red Zone Offense With “Fine-Toothed Comb”

Posted by Mike Wobschall on October 16, 2012 – 6:17 am

One of the main takeaways from the Vikings 38-26 loss to the Washington Redskins on Sunday was how different the game could’ve been had the Vikings been able to convert more of their red zone opportunities into touchdowns rather than field goals, particularly three drives in the 1st quarter that all resulted in field goals of 27 yards or less.

The Vikings have not been horrible in the red zone this season. They’ve made 22 trips inside the opponent’s 20-yardline, and have come away with 21 scores. The only issue is that just 11 of those 22 trips to the red area have resulted in touchdowns. The Vikings rank middle of the road (tied for 17th) in red zone (TD) scoring efficiency (50%), so there’s no cause for panic on the issue. But on Monday while meeting with reporters, Vikings Head Coach Leslie Frazier did emphasize the importance of the Vikings scoring more touchdowns in the red zone.

“We really stress not kicking field goals and trying to get touchdowns,” Frazier said. “Even if we get one touchdown in one of those three situations (against Washington in the 1st quarter), it’s probably going to affect the way they’re going to call the game on the other side at that point. But it didn’t happen, so yes, we’re going to go through it with a fine-toothed comb on what we could have better.”

The immediate reaction many outside the team had to the Vikings red zone woes on Sunday was to blame the playcalling. It’s a convenient complaint to register because fans and other outside observers can more distinguish the difference between a run and a pass than they can analyze the blocking performance of a lineman or the route-running technique of a receiver. But Frazier wasn’t willing to pin the issue on one aspect of his team, preferring instead to take a more global look and make comprehensive improvements.

“When that happens, when you get thwarted like we did in the red zone, you look at everything,” Frazier said. “What we’re calling, the plays that we’re running, how we’re running those plays.

“We did some things that we thought would give us the best chance to be successful. We go through our red zone study each week and we put together some plays that we think will help us get the results that we want. It didn’t happen yesterday. We’ll continue to do the things we have to do to try to improve but you can always come back and say ‘maybe you should have done this, should have done that.’ We thought we had a good plan. They did a good job on defense of keeping us out of the end zone.”

And if all goes according to plan moving forward, it will be the Vikings who have a good plan in the red zone and opponents who will be saying the opposition did a good job of getting into the end zone. This week is a good week for the Vikings to improve in this area because on Sunday they’ll play an Arizona Cardinals defense that ranks 5th in red zone defense.

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93 Responses to “Frazier Says Vikings Will Go Through Red Zone Offense With “Fine-Toothed Comb””

  1. By purplehaze1 on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    Les…maybe a plan B would help, in the off chance Billy’s “good” plan isn’t working…that way you can stop doing the same thing over and over…who knows that might even work…bird hunting on Sunday…GO VIKES!!!

  2. By SmileyStar on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    I think it is funny, how the problem for the Vikings, is placed on everything but whom is responsible for the team being inefficient at scoring touchdowns in the red zone. Ponder is unreliable in the red zone. He makes poor decisions and bad reads. I do like the comment about the redskins having a unique offense with RG3 in the Monday morning mailbag. Webb is just as unique and talented as RG3. So what does that tell you. Webb is much more efficient in the red zone. My suggestion would be to put Webb under center in the red zone, if not the starting QB. Ponder should never have been pushed in front of Webb. It’s a disservice to the team and the fans to keep Joe on the bench. Webb has played well everytime he has been given the opportunity to run the show. Right now the Vikings are a one dimension team, we run the ball. We have to get a passing game going, Ponder is perfect for a run team, no pressure or gotta have pass plays. Webb would be a better fit cause if the pass isn’t there he can run it. Teams and fans get amped up when the QB can extend the play or run.

  3. By BlueBird7 on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply


    A 3X5 post card is OK for the US Postal Service, but try to find a
    Game Play chart that has more then 2 play calls on it. Thanks.

  4. By BlueBird7 on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    The two play calls I refer to are “Go” and “Stop.”

  5. By cal ripper on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    How about trying to score from outside the redzone? The refusal to even try to stretch the field is frustrating to say the least.

  6. By Vikingswinninseason on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    How about get joe webb in at reciever, run him in the motion have ponder pitch the ball to him.. he run like its a run play and then chunk it deep to simpson for. A touchdown

  7. By RichardA1 on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    I can’t understand how we did’nt score or how the other team stopped us, we gace the ball to Harvin 3 straight hours? it just doesnt figure!!! yuh thunk the defense figured out our play book????DUH

  8. By SmileyStar on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    @cal ripper Ponder is not accurate beyond 20yds. although I am sur someone will say he doesn’t have time, because the o-line sux, or because we don’t have a good enough receiver. Who can keep up with Percy on a go route?

  9. By SmileyStar on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    @vikingswininseason Frazier can’t let Webb throw the ball, that would raise QB questions. Like why did you draft Ponder in the first place?

  10. By sandiamond on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    rank: 19th


    50.00% this year

    38.46% last three

    28.57% last game

    63.64% home

    36.36% away

    56.60% 2011

    these stats from team rankings website show a different story with the vikings starting to fall in the lower ranks of nfl teams

  11. By SmileyStar on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    @richarda1 They stacked the box and dared ponder to beat them through the air.

  12. By VikingFan95 on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    @SmileyStar You know nothing about football

  13. By DeerTracxks on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    Fight! Fight!!

  14. By adrian peterson & percy Harvin fan on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    I think that we just need a new offensive Cordianator… the way Peyton changes up his plays when he get to the line is very smart… if we let ponder change up the plays like that and read the defenders then I think he cn be very succesful

  15. By DeerTracks on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    There, much better.

  16. By DeerTracks on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    Go get ‘em Fan95. Isn’t this fun, iaVike?

  17. By loyalvike on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    Let’s start the game no huddle and go from there!

  18. By rory from n.w.ark on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    Till we get a reciever that can stretch the field we are never gonna get anything to change…Where is Simpson? my god he hasnt played enough to do squat,wonder why cinn got rid of him, you will see this team explode when we get some fear of the deep ball in opponents minds till than same old playcalling same old situation,everyone comes in to stop the run,it is that simple.

  19. By mjbvikeme on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    Ponder is still a young player (2nd year,) he is getting better as time goes on. This season has started out well. The defense has surpassed my expectations. The one thing I noticed on offense is that we do not utilize the hard count. I know it doesnt seem like much, but it will keep the defense from jumping the snap, and will give us at least 1 free play a game.

  20. By RichardA1 on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    Simpson? when is he going to do something? Sandia-we are better than last year already, we can’t argue with that! wackpack visited us, I went and had lot of nice things to say to them when I visited there Green Bay site!!!

  21. By RichardA1 on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    Alot of plus’s in Ponder, you can’t blame him if he doesn’t have a proven deep threat to throw to, Ponder has been spectacular if you think about it. Experienced looking, promising, what can you expect for a 2nd year qb, he is playing as good as many of the best qb’s

  22. By 61Vikings on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    Coaches don’t play, players are paid, quite well at that, to execute the plays that are given to them!! Now I do believe you have to open up the play book once you enter the red zone!! The difference in this game, other than QB play, was in the 1st quarter when we kicked 3 FG’s instead of scoring 3 TD’s!! 21-0 looks a lot better than 9-0!!! This just in, RG III is a beast!!! He made our defense, who, up till then, was playing great, look very average!!!

  23. By charles on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    all webb can do is run, ponder is the better qb

  24. By GrandDaddyPurp on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    The MOST IMPORTANT thing to take away from every game THIS season is we are finishing. Last Year we were a 1st half team then come the 2nd half we were nonexistent. This year we are finishing games strong even in the games we lost. The Broncos were down 21-0 against the falcons and ended up a possession away from winning the game. Last night they were down 24-0 at half and ended up winning the game. We, with ponder, are like the Broncos in terms of how we FINISH the game. Is that not good enough? Do you forget a season ago we were like the Chargers? Win or lose we are in every game because we have a QB in an offense that CAN finish. Can we be better or have a better player at a certain position in the offense? Absolutely, name a team that cant get any better? YOU CANT.

    AND, we are a very young team. SO for those who are loving where we are at this point of the season, myself being one of those people, think about this scary fact. WE ARE ONLY GOING TO GET BETTER!

  25. By iaVIKE on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    All you people sayin Ponder can’t throw it deep, or it’s his fault that we don’t take enough shots down the field. In the fourth quarter on Sunday Ponder went deep to both Aroma and Jenkins multiple times, and each time neither of them got an inch of seperation, and neither put themselves in position to make a play for the ball, Aroma got the PI call, but that’s about it. throw it down field to WHO??? He knows he has to get it to Percy and Rudy, so that’s what he does. Without Simpson, Ponder has NO ONE to throw downfield to. Aroma and Jenkins are not deep threats…..

  26. By charles on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    with the box stacked they tried to throw but there were alot of drops and a few bad throws, this team should throw to run, not run to throw, just my opinion.

  27. By GrandDaddyPurp on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    Again with the Webb over Ponder. Yes I agree Webb should be on the field, but not at qb.

    Need I remind you SmileyStar. Webb was a 7th round qb. While he is a 1st or 2nd round athlete, He is a SEVENTH round quarterback.

  28. By sandiamond on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    2012 rookie wide receivers rounds 3-5

    J Adams Car 3 games 3 fumbles KR
    T Benjamin Cle 4 games 5 rec
    D Coale Dal 0 games
    G Childs Min IR
    J Criner Arz 3 games 2 rec
    TJ Graham Buf 5 games 11 rec
    C Givens Rams IR
    TY Hilton Ind 4 games 11 rec
    M Jones Cin 4 games 3 rec
    K Martin Hou 6 games 6 rec
    D Posey Hou 3 games 0 rec
    M Sanu Cin 4 games 0 rec 1 td pass
    N Toon NO ps
    J Wright Min 0 games
    D Wylie KC 1 game 0 rec

  29. By GrandDaddyPurp on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    iaVIKE- I just think that since its been SOOO long since this team has had a franchise QB that alot of Vikings fans have forgotten what a franchise QB looks like.

    Ponder is OUR guy. Who was picked b4 him? SCam Newton? Gabbert? Locker? What have they done lately.

  30. By GrandDaddyPurp on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    Greg Childs. If only.

  31. By Erik the Red on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    Honestly, when they had the poll about where the Vikings would be in 5 weeks (this was before the game vs. the Redskins was played), I had predicted they would lose one of those games, and looks like they did. So now they just have to win the rest! I think it is possible. I’m from DC, and I believe the Redskins were playing motivated because of what happened to the Nationals, (still angers me today), and also the Redskins had been putting up big numbers, just not winning some of their close games. While I don’t think losing is a good thing, hopefully this loss will bring out some problems that can be fixed now,

  32. By RealViking on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    He was a seventh round qb but he’s on our roster i can name a few late round qb’s who are or were great nfl players they only got the chance to showcase their skills because they had coaches who knows talent unlike us. I think Webb can be a good qb if given the chance that Ponder is getting now and remember nobody believed Ponder woulda be a1st round pick we reached for him because we were desperate and the titans drafted the qb that we wanted.

  33. By sandiamond on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    Those stats point out two things: 1) Minnesota is behind the curve getting Wright on the field 2) don’t expect big numbers when the rookie does get on the field

  34. By 61Vikings on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    I don’t know about the rest of you, but I’m real excited about this team and the way they’ve played so far!!! Before the season even started I had us at 4-2 at this point!! The only thing is I had us losing to Detroit and San Fran. not Indy and Washington. Looking at the schedule and the way we’ve played so far, we could easily be 6-0, instead we’re 4-2, with 3 of the next 4 in Minny!! After the half way point I can see us at 6-2 and after 10 games, I can see us at 7-3 or 8-2!! A heck of a lot better than last year!!!!

  35. By iaVIKE on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    Indeed GDP. Ponder has fight in him, and has a great work ethic. He’ll take this franchise a long way

  36. By minnyvikings on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    Why is Michael Jenkins on the field is obvious that he shouldn’t i don’t care if he took a pay cut i would never keep a sick player like that on the roster, he’s slow he can’t get open and he’s tall for nothing give me Plax at least he can go up top in the end zone. I understand were rebuilding but Jenkins is old Percy, Simpson when healthy and Plax would would make Ponder become three qb that we need him to be and lets not forget Kyle. One more thing i think its time to stop eating the roster spot on Carlson and let Ellison take over.

  37. By autobon7 on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    In response to GrandDaddyPurp ….I guess Tom Brady didn’t deserve a chance either as he was drafted in the sixth round as opposed to the 1st?

    It is clear to all (most) that Ponder is not playing up to par. He is a nice game manager at best….we need a game CHANGER. Webb could be that changer if given the same chance that Ponder is given (good point RealViking ). If management does not want to give Webb a real shot they should be looking hard at bringing him in when in the red zone.

    I for one do not want an Alex Smith clone….we need a game changer.

  38. By Mike B. on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    I think that Webb becomes a distraction with fans, but Ponder is doing the things good starting NFL QBs need to do. He is basically still a rookie as he didn’t get a full camp last year nor did he start the season. He’s going to make mistakes, but he’s a fighter and wants to win. Let Ponder lead for the rest of the season and decide from there.

  39. By VegasVike on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    Who knows talent unlike us??
    Whatchu talkin about Willis?
    H Smith
    none were the First First pick, they all seem to have talent. This article is right on, as soon as Ponder understands the game and puts the team on his shoulders (Favre) at the line of scrimmage, we’ll start winning games like Sunday’s.

  40. By GrandDaddyPurp on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    autobon7- Tom Brady fell because of his physical abilities which were and still are to this day FAR below average. Joe Webb as i said earlier is a 1st to 2nd round talent in terms of athletic ability, there is no doubt about that. But he IS a 7th round qb. He has below average accuracy. When he scrambles he isnt looking to throw unlike Ponder who, when scrambling, has his eyes down the field looking for an open guy. Only one problem, the receivers have a hard time getting open. So lets just blame Ponder? Makes perfect sense now.

  41. By minnyvikings on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    @Mike B I understand Ponder is young but what if he doesn’t show he can be a franchise qb by the end of the season, what if we put him in shoes that are to big for his feet. If he can’t carry this team and we have an opportunity to draft Barkley, Geno Smith or a true gunslinger then we better do it.

  42. By GrandDaddyPurp on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    autobon: “It is clear to all (most) that Ponder is not playing up to par.”

    We are 4-2, with a 2nd year QB in his 1st full year. Whats the problem? Did Ponder allow Andrew Luck to drive down for the game winning FG? Did Ponder give up a 76 yd run to RGIII?

    Webb has NEVER shown up to a game in which the other team has had a full week to prepare for him. Ponder is 4-2 this season. Ponder HAS shown up in games in which the other team has had a full week to game-plan against him.

    As I’ve said, Webb needs to be on the field, but not at quarterback.

  43. By GrandDaddyPurp on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    minnyvikings- 1 full season as our starting qb is not enough time. He already IMO has shown he can lead this team against AND beat the best the NFL has to offer. Its time that we as Vikings fans embrace our QB and show him the support he needs to be able to step into a game with the confidence needed to lead an NFL offense.

    We MUST embrace and support Ponder.

  44. By GrandDaddyPurp on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    new blog

  45. By BE SANE AND SERIOUS on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    Fine tooth comb? How about a full size brush with a huge wooden handle?

  46. By minnyvikings on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    Other than Walsh and Smith the others like AP fell to us because of injuries, Harvin fell to us because of discipline issues, kahlil was or biggest need, and Ponder was a reach.After the first and second round the Vikings don’t have any players in the top ten rating by position other then Sullivan maybe. Free agency comes we are known for overpaying players who just aren’t with it instead of giving the money to a player who is worth it.

  47. By minnyvikings on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    We are 4-2 out of those six games i only blame the defense for two of them and we one 1 of them other then the games against Indy, and the Jags our defense shows up in all for games giving the offense the chance to win. Washington beat us because out offense decided field goals were better then touchdowns the defense showed up but how long do you expect them to hold up when our offense can’t put up points or when your qb gives the defense points.

  48. By GrandDaddyPurp on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    26 Points. thats plenty enough to win a game in the NFL. Defense looked lost against RG3

  49. By realvikings on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    If the offense could’ve scored touchdowns instead of those these field goals our team would’ve had the momentum. We scored a when Washington stepped on the breaks they dared us to attack their secondary and we couldn’t. I’m not just blaming Ponder I give Musgrave most of the blame his offense is to predictable and conservative he calls the same plays every game and teams caught on to it.

  50. By 61Vikings on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    No, Ponder doesn’t play defense, but he needs to stop helping the other defenses by throwing horrible picks!!! He started the season off great by throwing no picks, but in the last two he’s thrown five!!! Let’s hope he doesn’t keep this trend and the coaching staff tweeks his mechanics, after all he’s still a work in progress!! He is our QB of the future!! Webb, like Tavaris Jackson, will be a perennial backup in this league unless he’s willing to move to another position!!!

  51. By polarisrmk on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    ponder threw nearly every deep pass out of bounds or in an uncatchable spot. not to mention short arming routs and flat out missing targets… it time to go to the bull pen

  52. By tomcat on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    There is a pain between my ears. Iknew the Webb thing would come up. Ponder is a good, young qb.Ofcourse he`ll do some dumb things. How many int.`s does Manning have? Vick? What about Rivers? We are gonna win the Superbowl with Ponder! Not this year I don`t think,but next.

  53. By Vikeman57 on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    Just run the ball more in red zone, they stack the box we still got AP, Give him the chance, he wants the ball. Our downfall always start when we start passing every down. We need to chew up time when we got lead, You have to play smart when you got the lead.

  54. By Muskyfever on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    @61Vikings actually he has thrown 4 picks since last week.

    Webb has terrible hands and is not a very good catcher… Thats why we don’t play him at reciever. Ponder IS the BEST QB we ahve and are going to keep it that way. I agree that he has accuracy issue anything over 20yrds, but he is young and will get better over time. There are much better QBs in the league right now with double the INT’s… Romo has 7 in two games. Ponder has four total.

    RGIII and Webb are not even close to being in the same catagory. Talented while running? sure.. But passing NO WAY. RGIII will pass all over the field, were luck if we can get 50% out of webb while passing.

  55. By TheValentine84 on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    I am so confused about Jarius Wright up to this point. I remember about 3 weeks ago Frazier said he was ready to go and should see some playing time. Well he hasn’t been on the field once this year… I am anxious to see what the rookie can do for us but I haven’t heard anything about him playing in the next game or not. Anyone hear anything about Wright?

  56. By Troutdaddy on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    As far as the red zone goes, we need to just be agressive and mix it up. Using Harvin or Peterson consistently would be a good plan. It seems like as soon as we get past the 15 yard line, something happens to the plan and it goes wacko. We need to just keep it going like we are driving down fileld.

    Webb is a moot point. He is not playing- period. So the fact that people are bringing up his name doesn’t matter. He is not part of the game plan right now. He is a BACKUP QB. After looking at the posts for the last 2 weeks, I think I am going to take my own advice and let the Vikes off the hook. It was kinda like Ponder throwing his first pick and Walsh missing his first field goal. Getting this loss was tough but I think there are good things to come out of it for our learning curve. Hats off to RG3 as he made the difference in this loss. The Vikes now get to “Settle down” and get over this one so they can go back to what they do best. I know I have been verbal about Musgraves play calling. I am going to give it 2 more weeks to see what is unveilled and then maybe I will say “Lucy, you got some splaining to do” I am still pretty happy at what this team has done. It is not perfect mind you, but we have had a lot to cheer about tihs year so far and it will be that much cooler when we stick a fork in Green Bay. They are so going down….

  57. By Vikings1 on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    It really amazes me how many negative responses are seen on teses blogs when we lose. NEWS FLASH, Ponder will make mistakes and we will lose other games, if you don’t make mistakes, how can you learn.
    About a QB controversy, there is none, Ponder is the man and we win or lose with him and we as armchair QB’s won’t like all the play calling or all the players bubt the team is what it is and we have to play the hand we are given and do the best with what we have, nuff said, go Vikings!!!!!!

  58. By Petie97 on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    I agree with Vikeman 57 give AP the ball he has 60+ TDs for a reason give him the ball in the REDZONE. Stack the line put Schwartz at TE on the goal line put size on your goal line. As for wright give him some playing time put him in the slot as well as having Harvin in the opposite slot. SPREAD the field make teams respect the fact that you are going to throw the ball. Then run the ball with AP. Lastly explain to me why we kept Stephen Burton if we don’t use him. They raved about him all offseason and he has 2 reception. Really use your WR’s he has the size use him!!

  59. By liito on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    1. No fine-tooth comb needed. No deep analysis. Just get some genuine, true, tall, big, sure-handed, aggressive, intelligent, reliable, consistent, good character, go-to-guy in the red zone wideout.
    2. Besides Harvin and maybe Simpson, do any of the other wide receivers need time to develop? Really?
    3. We are reserving TE Carlson and WR J. Wright in some games to surprise the fans ….. right?
    4. Vikes Management, don’t be stiff-necked. If you need help . . . get help. PPPPlllllllllllllllllleeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaassssssssseeeeeeee!

  60. By Purplele Blood on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    thank you VIKING1good point exactly , and we do have a tall go up and get it red zone threat his name is RUDOLPH ! I LIVE in DC and was at the game first of all we need to stop all this negativety before the season started a lot of you were saying O we’ll finish from 3 to 6 games well it’s week 6 and were at 4and 2. shssssh ! sure Ponder missed some throws chalk it up to rookie mistakes, he’ll be fine and lay off of Simpson he will pay off , chemistry ! and most importantly is that the coach recognizes that there is a problem with our red zone across the board ! BUT while watching the game I thought that our O-line did not get any push and was’nt nasty enough and we were too predictable and I LIKE THE IDEA of putting Webb in down there along with Ponder razzle dazzle get them off balance but over all i’m pleased with MY TEAM GOOOO VIKINGS !!!!!!!!

  61. By JDDogg on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    OMG….You all are completely useless. Ponder’s stats for his second year are better then expected. He is not perfect, as no other QBs are. He has a lively arm and will use that arm as the season progresses, but you all think the Vikings should be 6-0….newsflash…there is only one team in the league that is 6-0 and they are going to lose very soon. We are 4-2, mostly because of good QB play and strong defense. So get off his back. He is doing a great job. Our OC needs to take the leash off of him and let him run the game. He is smart, quick, and accurate. Joe Webb has proven over and over again against 2nd and 3rd string defenses, he is inept as a QB. Quit asking for a change, that is ridiculous. Ponder will rise to the top of the charts over time. give him a chance. Musgrave—let him throw the ball. Get Wright on the field.

  62. By JDDogg on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    WEBB is not the answer at–put him at receiver.

  63. By Muskyfever on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    Webb is not the anwser at Reciever. The coaches have said they don’t put him there because his hands aren’t good enough to play the position,,,


  64. By VikesShield on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    jerome should play this week… whats with wright? hes not injured i think he will be a good reciever. ponder said in his under the lights he wants wright involve to. but who cares lets just win the game on sunday. make a shutout 56-0 we get 4 interceptions 3 pick 6s because their qb sucks then get 4 passing tds. then get a 85 yard beast run by peterson for a td.

  65. By DeerTracks on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    No, Musky, I won’t stop asking…Joe has shown he can play QB just as well.

    Play him now? No, just let Ponder show us he can hit the recievers.

    If he can good!.. I don’t want to see Ponder sailing those round things (Can’t say b-a-l-l-s here) up in the clouds again like the Redskins game. Might hit an aireoplane.

  66. By rory from n.w.ark on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    I stated earlier that we are doing great no complaints, but where is our deep threat do you all not realise we would be undefeated if we only had a deep threat reciever , if Simpson is hurt than explain what is the problem ,we will understand but no real answer from Fraiser about his condition, we are beyond what I thought we would be doing ,at this point Ponder is not our problem the deep reciever sure is ,OR is it our playcalling? dont get me wrong I love our team, but cant understand where Simpson is? how about the rest of you….????

  67. By Muskyfever on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    No offense… DeerTracks, but he really can’t.. He is not even as good as tebow throwing rock… Maybe you need to watch the TV a little closer or get last years game film (which you can get… and I have) and you would see that what your saying is idiocricy

    Webb is a more physically gifted runner then Ponder, but thats all he has… Use your noodle

  68. By adrian peterson & percy Harvin fan on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    @Vike Shield

    I would be the happiest man ever if that happend. And that will let u know that we are foreal..

    Let the pick 6′s come from robinson,cook,and harrison smith

    And the beast run from peterson would prove he is 100%healthy

    And ponder thrown 4Td’s would prove why we drafted him in the 1st round

  69. By Muskyfever on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    We would be undefeated if they would call the game the same when we are losing to when we are not…

  70. By Muskyfever on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    we score all sorts of points and TD’s come with ease when we are losing… But when we are winning or tied or no score.. we can’t seem to do anything except lean on Blair walsh… Unless of course we play the 49ers

  71. By DeerTracks on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply


    The Ponder isn’t the problem, but the recievers are?

    Kind of hard to catch tha b-a-l-l when it is waaaay over thetr heads.

    Have seen that happen waaaaaay to many times…

  72. By Michael on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    Where is the killer instinct Bill/ Frazier. I commend you on the job you are doing so far. But you must have a killer instinct when attacking the end zone. We had 3 consecutive drives in the first half which must be converted to touchdowns. Field goals are not acceptable when you are in the red zone. If we go up 21-3 in the first quarter, their will is all but done. The defense feeds off of this and the victory is ours. If Ponder is to be the leader, we need more consistency out of him. Please work on your arm strength as well.

  73. By DeerTracks on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    @ Musky

    This noodle has all the Viking games taped from the 80′s on to present day.

    Did you watch the Detriot game of last year? If you did, then tell me that Webb can’t play QB.

  74. By Michael on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    Webb has a better arm too.

  75. By Muskyfever on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    @ DeerTracks.. What? one good game…? Sanchez had a good game last week, should we trade for him???

    Watching on tv and watching game film is not the same, you can break it down much better with over heard shots. Webb CAN run, Can’t throw, can’t read Dfense’s, Can’t audible to correct plays. But I suppose that since he had one good game that he must be as good as our franchise QB, which is why he has been a back up his whole life. I’m sorry I didn’t know you knew more than the coaches in the NFL… My mistake

  76. By Muskyfever on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    Some people are idiots

  77. By Jim on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    It’s not hard, Ponder out!! JOE WEBB IN ASAP!!!

  78. By VikesShield on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    ponder is not the problem idiots we have the playmakers maybe not alot but enough to win and jerome should be back. so really i dont see a problem with are team we just need to execute well and maybe throw deep more. and remember ponder is only in his 2nd yr hes doing better then other 2nd yr qbs and the older qbs.

  79. By VikesShield on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    ikr Adrian and percy fan that would be epic and we have the people to do it.

  80. By Muskyfever on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    These people are idiots.

  81. By Muskyfever on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    Webb is done. And not only will he not play for the team unless Ponder gets hurt, but I bet we trade him next season…

  82. By ryan on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    frazier sucks as a head coach. that and we dont have enough playmakers on both sides of the field. we need another freak on both offense and defense. frazier is not the answer time for a new coach. defense also gives up way to many points and our offense is forced to score more if they werent worried about always coming back and having a lead once they would produce alot better. maybe go with a different defensive scheme and see if that works. we really need to try something.

    oh and jerome simpson as a wide reciever pick up cuz of one paly? come on. he is at best a slot reciever but honestly in my opinion he is 4th string with the ones that we have and that is pathetic we need a freak reciever. harvin is good but he is more of a swingman/playmaker. we need a marvin harrison type reciver that players have to change their gameplan and adjust to.

    it is way to easy to play defense against our team stuff the line so peterson cant get through and put a nickel or someone fast on harvin, and done that is how u stop our offense. pretty sad, but i will admit ponder is finally playing how i knew he could.and with another playmaker on offense that could turn him into a really good qb. not saying plaxico is the answer but maybe as a redzon threat??? sign him for the year see what he does, and if he doesnt have it anymore get someone else its not hard. but jerome simpson is not the wide reciever we need to change this team.

    so wide reciever, middle line backer, and a head coach and we will be a top contender every year.

  83. By vikingmike on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    Some of you people make me laugh. We are 4-2. Most experts would have had us at 2-4 at this point. It’s the NFL. You are going to lose some you shouldn’t and win some you shouldn’t. This team is young and at the moment winning. Enjoy it!

    Give up the Webb love. If the guy was better than Ponder he’d be playing. If he was a legit WR he’d be playing.

    And I’m glad the Vikings didn’t bring in any ‘big’ free agents. The only one that would have been worth it was Vincent Jackson. And if they would have come close to signing him they wouldn’t be able to afford the amount of money they are going to have to pay Harvin. Almost every FA wideout has stunk for their new team. Spielman was wise on not going too crazy.

  84. By SmileyStar on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    Mike B. Said “I think that Webb becomes a distraction with fans, but Ponder is doing the things good starting NFL QBs need to do. He is basically still a rookie as he didn’t get a full camp last year nor did he start the season. He’s going to make mistakes, but he’s a fighter and wants to win. Let Ponder lead for the rest of the season and decide from there.”

    That’s the lame excuse, Ponder didn’t have a training camp. I’m sure Webb had all kinds of benefits sitting down as the third string QB, under Brett and T Jack. Webb doesn’t just excite fans, the whole team seems to be energized when he gets gotten the chance to play. Do you remember the eagles game? What about the games he entered last year putting points on the board as QB, while primarily focusing on the WR position?

  85. By vikelifer on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    Joe Webb in the red zone.Period!

  86. By SmileyStar on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    @muskyfever How many starts did Webb get before we picked up Ponder and crowned him king?

  87. By justin on Oct 16, 2012 | Reply

    The most frustrating thing has been that we can’t push the ball down field. It is not Ponder’s fault; nobody is open. 1st, we need to get Simpson back. Also, I would give up a 5th round pick for a guy like Mike Thomas of Jacksonville. He has the talent to be a No. 1 receiver, but has had poor QB play limit him. Ponder would make him a better player and then we would have multiple guys who can simply beat 1 on 1 coverage. Jenkins and Aromashodu haven’t done that. They don’t have to do any more, not when teams have to focus on Peterson and Harvin.

  88. By Derp on Oct 17, 2012 | Reply

    It’s amazing how many of you have turned to every excuse possible to explain why we lost. It must be Minnesota’s fault! We aren’t playing Webb! Musgrave sucks! Ponder sucks! We don’t have Wright/Simpson on the field! Fire Frazier! With the way you guys are talking, we should have just sold the francise to LA. One or two losses isn’t going to change our season, we’re building a team, not looking for an instant improvement. I’m excited for what we’ve done so far this season, and if we continue to improve and the team can shake the losses (and the victories) mentally, we’re going to be big contenders in the future.

  89. By Im a "real" Doctor on Oct 17, 2012 | Reply

    What is Joe Webbs TD/INT COMPL RATIO???? Its ugly. And oh my, lets not bring up preseason……I say MBT before the runner.

  90. By 4eversteve on Oct 17, 2012 | Reply

    If Ponder would reset he feet before throwing the football he could cut down on the interceptions. he definitely missed a wide open AP because of throwing on the run off the wrong foot when he had the time to reset. I understand he is worry about getting hit, but hey that part of playing the position and keeping drives alive. I hope he picks that up in his film study or the quarterback coach points that problem out to him.

  91. By Muskyfever on Oct 17, 2012 | Reply

    @smileyStar Are you asking retorically?

  92. By southpawsteve albany n.y vike fan on Oct 17, 2012 | Reply

    Where is Simpson been? How about Jarius Wright? where are our recievers? they are going to burn and wear Percy out. he needs help other than just Rudolph.I was reading a few weeks ago that Plexico Buress was still looking for a team to catch on with. Why not sign him he can definitely stretch the field. With him Harvin,Wright and Simpson that would be a awesome recieving core. Then adrian can hit those 100 yard games. Lets go vikes!

  93. By RYAN on Oct 18, 2012 | Reply

    not saying our team isnt doing good cuz we are. just saying we need some help to be great. a new reciever would help alot. i like the idea of someone liek mike thomas he sia good deep threat and plaxico could be an option. we wouldnt have to pay plaxico alot he just wants to play. and we still need another playmaker on defense. harrison smith will be good and jared allen is a freak. but i still think we need a middle linebacker nothing against jasper brinkley but he is not a starter in ym eyes

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