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A Closer Look: Ponder In Command On 1st And 2nd Down

Posted by Mike Wobschall on August 19, 2012 – 8:55 am

Everyone knows it’s important for an offense to convert 3rd downs. But what’s the key for an offense to register a high 3rd-down conversion rate? A good possession receiver would help. A versatile RB coming out of the backfield would be good, too.

But the real key to converting 3rd downs is to be good on 1st and 2nd down. Vikings QB Christian Ponder subscribes to that theory, anyway, which is why he and the Vikings offensive staff have put an increased focus on performing well on 1st and 2nd down. During a press conference over the offseason, Ponder stated that the offense had a goal of completing 75% of their passes on 1st and 2nd down. Then last week Ponder reiterated the goal to Mark Craig the Star Tribune.

“We want 75 percent completions on first and second downs,” the 2nd-year QB said. “That’s the number we’re shooting for. Obviously, we were in a lot of third-and-long situations a year ago, and we want to get out of that.”

Ponder put the theory to practice on Friday night against the Buffalo Bills. He was 8 of 10 for 128 yards with 1 TD on 1st and 2nd downs, an impressive display of passing that left the team and its fans optimistic about Ponder’s continued develop and the progression of the offense. Furthermore, Ponder connected with 7 different receivers on those 8 completions, and 5 of the 8 completions resulted in a 1st down or touchdown.

Granted, a 75% completion rate on 1st and 2nd down for a whole season is certainly an ambitious goal. Last year, Drew Brees set an NFL record for overall completion percentage at 71.2%, and he was 73.1% on 1st down and 70.4% on 2nd down. So if the guy who set an NFL record for overall completion percent wasn’t able to attain the goal, is it realistic for Ponder to do it in his first full year as a starter? Some may say no, but Vikings fans have to like that their QB as a high expectation of performance for himself and the team.

Ponder attained the goal on Friday night. Yes, it was a preseason game in which Ponder exited during the 2nd quarter. But it’s a sign that Ponder is progressing. And it’s a sign that the Vikings will be better on 3rd downs in 2012.


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183 Responses to “A Closer Look: Ponder In Command On 1st And 2nd Down”

  1. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    Titus RULES!!!

  2. By vikings209 on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    I am very optimistic about Ponder’s abilities, by no means am I ready to crown him but It does look like he is progressing and he looks calm in the pocket. Naturally it is a process and he still has a long ways to go but It has been showing on the field which is what we need to see.

  3. By OTKalil2012 on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    Ponder is the man…But what about Bethel-Thompson ??…

    Here is the thing about Webb “the athlete”…

    If a player has been on a team for 3 yrs and coaches are still debating what position on the team Webb should be playing ???..

    Should that player still be on the team ???…

    Some fans think he can play QB…Others WR…a few RB…

    All I see is a coaching staff scratching their heads trying to find a position for a player who has all kinds of physical ability…But only average (at best) talent levels at all positions he tries…

    Time to move on Vikings…

    But I see the Vikings keeping Webb…And then trying to slide Bethel-Thompson to the practice squad…

    All fine and good if it works…

    But it won’t !!!…

    Do you think a team like the Packers who have G Harrell as the number 2 guy backing up Rodgers…Will not be chomping at the bit to grab Bethel-Thompson who looks like a young Brett Favre !!…

    Harrell is stinking up the place in GB since losing Flyn…

    I don’t want to be on here a month from now saying
    “I told you so”…

    But this is a scenario that could very well happen…

  4. By T.HARRIS on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    Well to me Ponder looked liked he did a lot of running around as if the offensive line wasn’t giving him enough time to servey the field like i see Brady,Brees,and Rogers.Ponder also missed a possibly touchdown in the endzone.But we’ll see how it plays out.

  5. By iaVIKE on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    You know everything don’t you. You don’t know grape jam from dog poop.

  6. By Spencer on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    …I just want a Superbowl.

  7. By OTKalil2012 on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    @Spencer…

    Wouldn’t it be great if the Vikings were winning their (2nd) Superbowl when they open the new stadium in 2016 !!!

  8. By Carl K on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    Great write-up Mike – I agree. However, when AP comes back heathy we will become very predictable on first and second downs – giving the ball to him all the time.

    It is my hope that the Vikings will learn to live without AP carring the load “so much” on first and second downs this year.

    Ponder’s progression this season has been refreshing to see.

  9. By jdude on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    first of T.HARRIS he was running because none of his recievers were getting open for him. You would be doing the same thing if you had no one to through to but the talent to run for a first. Second the reason he missed the touchdown was because he had pressure right in his face so he wasn’t able to set his feet. That happens to a lot of QBs in the NFL. So don’t blame him for those things.

  10. By Richard1A on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    We will see what kind of character Ponder has when there is bad game, he is sacked 5 time, we are behind by 20 points. Will he bounce back, or just roll over and play dead.

  11. By dieseldog on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    To OTKalil, I’m with you 100% in your analysis that GB will take Thompson if the vikings put him on the practice squad, then they will laugh when we try to get by with Rosenfels and Web as backups. It’s not that easy finding a QB with a strong arm, quick release and the physical size all wrapped into one. Those types of QB’s have always been the top QB’s. Taking the chance of letting Thompson go will be huge mistake. The only thing worse would be to lose both Cole and Thompson.

  12. By jdude on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    you know diesldog Joe Webb has a pretty strong arm and the big physical size. In fact Webb is almost a copy of Cam Newton. It’s just that Webb doesn’t have as good of pocket presence. and newton is 2 inches taller than Webb. So i’m going to go with that Webb is a pretty good backup. Even for his age. I believe you remember the eagles game in 2010 when Webb and the vikings beat them. So even without Thompson.

  13. By jdude on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    The vikings will have fine depth at QB. |

  14. By jdude on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    I’m going to say that the vikings will go (9-7,10-6) this season.

  15. By oDIm on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    @ OTKalil2012
    i think you’re right now…but I think Webb and Terrell Prior would make a fantastic safety duo against all the fast tall receivers out there. (who are consistently determining games) . It is looking like early T. jack as far as pocket passing for Webb. DQ-QB Webb and find a way to get him out there or gone.. The superior athletes shouldn’t always be calling the plays – they can be great in other places.

  16. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    Are you a superior athlete if you cannot make critical decisions?

  17. By Richard1A on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    They should just force web to be a receiver or running back. Move Bethel up to 2nd string. Maybe even D Back, the way it is now he is not contributing to the team! His qb skills are average, nothing to get excited about.
    Vikes unbeaten this season, might loose Superbowl, is there a curse on the team?
    He has’nt got any faith from me in him, as soon as he can bonce back after taking a few good hits, can hang in there when we are loosing and bring the team back, then I will start believing.
    I like that, the A.C. unit, as in Audie Cole’s Defense, if he keeps this up will take a bog load off Allen, half the line and D indulge in Allens super stardom, they lay back and bask in his glory, should’nt be that way. Same on Offense, lazy players no effort, watching A.P. do all the work, this team can be one of the best there has ever been! they ought to change!

  18. By robb on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    Vikings will surprise.

  19. By vikingology1 on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    It’s funny how people still mention a game that Webb played two years ago. If the coaches thought Webb was a #1 they would have stuck with him-look at where T-Jack is right now, he might not even make the team.
    I would rather have Bethel over Webb at QB-it’s time to decide what to do with Webb, but a #2 he is NOT. You have to have someone who can THROW the ball…

  20. By Deer Tracks* on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    Betel over Webb? Since when? We have not seen what Betel-whats-his name can
    really do.

    All you anti-Webb people leave Webb alone! He is always ready to put Ponders’ Chestnuts out of the fire, and most likely will be called again to do so!

    It would be only fair if Frazier would let Webb study the Playbook like Ponder.

  21. By Frederick Jones on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    Dear OTK,

    Joe Webb is listed as 6’4″ 220′ by Pro Football Reference. He is 25 years old and this is just his 2nd full year as a quarterback.

    He just needs more time.

  22. By Deer Tracks* on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    Yes, when Webb pulls the chestnuts out, he can put them on Ponders swelled head.

  23. By Frederick Jones on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    @OTK,

    Oakland was 8-8 last year and they have two very well known back up QBs, Jason Campbell and Kyle Boller. The Raiders are “paying thru the nose” for these two back up QBs.

    Webb is young, and doesn’t cost much, and that is why the Vikings will stay with him.

  24. By Frederick Jones on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    @DeerTracks,

    Some people would rather be right, and then keep their white QBs!

  25. By Frederick Jones on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    @OTK,

    A peek at Bradshaw’s records show the following:

    1970 30.4 rating 6 tds 24 ints (ROOKIE YEAR)
    1971 59.7 13tds 22 ints
    1972 64.1 12 and 12
    1973 54.5 10 and 15
    1974 55.2 7 and 8
    1975 88.0 18tds 9 ints

    The rest of his career he always threw more tds than ints which was pretty unusual for that period of the NFL.

    Qb ratings were lower during those days, yet an intelligent football mind can easily tell that Pittsburgh gave Bradshaw a chance.

    Give Joe Webb a chance!!! (If these stats don’t convince you then jones has to believe that you are racist.)

  26. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    Webb shows very poor decision making — he has had a lot of play in three years, including a lot of prime time games. He sat under Favre his first year. He keeps showing the same traits of panic attacks. The new guy looks soooo much better– and how many NFL games has he played the past three years?

  27. By Frederick Jones on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    @OTK,

    Terry Bradshaw is in the Hall of Fame. Check out his completion percentages during his first 4 or 5 years in the NFL. Some years he had trouble achieving 40%!!!

    THAT IS BAD IN ANY ERA!

    Give Joe Webb a chance!!!

  28. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    Fred, do you need more sleep or a big pot of coffee? Wake up!!!

  29. By Frederick Jones on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    @OTK,

    NO ONE doubts that QB is the most important position in football. What I am proving is that the team one plays on makes the QB, and not the other way around!

    The other ten players on the team make the quarterback. Yes, he still must make the throws, and the decisions, but there are many, many QBs that might have made it except for the team they played for, didn’t have enough talent on the field. Jamarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf, Tim Couch, etc.

    You may argue that the great ones of Montana, Tarkenton, Marino, would not have made it if their team was as bad as the Saints, and Patriots of the late 1960′s and early 1970′s.

    IT IS NOT ALL ABOUT THE QUARTERBACK, THAT IS MEDIA SENSATIONALISM!!!

  30. By Frederick Jones on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    @OTK,

    It is a myth that the QB makes the team great. The truth is it is the team that makes the QB great. You can’t have one without the other!

    The Pittsburgh Steelers drafted Johnny Unitas in 1955. They never played him.
    The Steelers were 4-8 that year. Is it possible or even probable that Unitas, if he had not been picked up by the Baltimore Colts, would have never played in the NFL?

    Would Bart Starr, an average Quarterback, have ever been a HOF QB if Vince Lombardi hadn’t taken over the Packers in 1959?

    How many QBs sat on the bench, or never played in the NFL, and yet were as good as Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, and etc. I say quite a few.

    It is a myth that the QB makes his team great. It is more likely that the team he plays for, makes the QB great!!!

    COMMON SENSE SAYS YOU PLAY THE 25 YEAR OLD JOE WEBB, WHO PROBABLY MAKES THE NFL MINIMUM WAGE!!!

  31. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    The quarterback is the head– yes, he cannot do much without the rest of the body, but with a poor head, the body is completely ineffective. A great body does not a sound mind make. Get over it Fred. If I am off the Webb bandwagon, then there is no hope.

  32. By OTKalil2012 on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    Not to mention Webb was staring down his primary receiver every time he threw the ball this last Friday…

    The one exception was the last p a s s he threw…

    How many times did Webb trip with the RB stepping on his foot last Friday while handing off the football on a running play ???…

    I know it happened 2 times for sure…

    And Deer Tracks…Webb was given all the time in the world to learn the playbook this last off season…

    I was talking about last year…With a new coordinator…

  33. By Parody on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    Fred’s rationale in an argument:
    I have my opinion and I’m going to repeat it countless times.
    You have a good argument against me, but I refuse to back down so…ummm….thinking…
    Oh, he’s Black!

    RACE CARD!

    Seriously Fred, grow up.

  34. By sandiamond on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    TE Carlson could start to practice this week. LB Elim hamstring neg rehab. RB Todman back at practice. SD has playmaker O injuries, another “thrashjing in the dome” this friday nite!

  35. By sandiamond on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    @TomPelissero

    Robert Blanton (hamstring), Letroy Guion (knee), DeMarcus Love (pec) and Jordan Todman (ankle) all could play Friday, Frazier said.

  36. By OTKalil2012 on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    The reason the Steelers won games back in the 70′s was because of the defense…

    Remember a defense called..”the steel curtain”…

  37. By Parody on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    Sandia – They’re almost gonna need to play on Friday if they want to make the team. I think there needs to be some serious roster cuts after Friday’s game, so if those guys can’t get healthy in time to show what they can do, they may be missing their last chance.

  38. By Parody on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    OTK – Didn’t they use the same name for their defense a couple years ago when they were leading the league in every defensive category except rushing yards?

  39. By sandiamond on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    That’s a major_ problem OTK. just matter of time before he gets picked off again and again. Fred needs to watch more film period!

  40. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    OT– thanks, I wasn’t going to point that out because I do like Webb as a person– but truth is, when Webb had that big game against Philly our defense was phenomenal– starting when Winfield caused the fumble and ran in to score. Our defense was so strong that Tuesday night– Vick was traumatized all night.

  41. By Frederick Jones on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    @Parody,

    You need to restring your guitar. Webb is a bargain at age 25, and has a larger upside than Bethel-Thompson (who they said was 29).

    You also need to get off my case. This isn’t personal it’s about football. If you think I attacked you that is your imagination.

  42. By Frederick Jones on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    @Parody,

    “Playing the Race Card”
    Well, it’s not a game. Racism is a very serious thing
    and it is alive right now with Tim Tebow and Jeremy Lin.
    American Caucasians are always looking for the great white
    hope. They won’t give up.

  43. By Frederick Jones on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    @Parody,

    Racism will never go away, at least not in our lifetimes. Really it’s
    silly because it has been scientifically shown that we are all the same
    race genetically!!!

  44. By Smith on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    You think they’re going to give Webb 6 years to develop? The words “Long Shot” come to mind.

    The fact is Webb looks the same as he did when he got his first start against the Eagles in 2010. He hasn’t progressed. At all.

  45. By sandiamond on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    Rudolph,Cook sit out Vikings practice

    http://min.scout.com/2/1212895.html

  46. By Frederick Jones on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    GENTLEMEN,
    I AM AS GUILTY AS ANYONE OF CALLING NAMES.

    BUT WE MAY HAVE A GOOD TEAM THIS YEAR (8-8 because of the new schedule), SO LET’S NOT USE THE S O P H O M O R I C IDEA OF CALLING VIKINGS PLAYERS, FRONT OFFICE PERSONNEL, COACHES, OR FANS ANY NAMES.

    WE MUST TRULY BE A TEAM!!!

  47. By Frederick Jones on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    @Smith,

    Like jones said, racism will never go away!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

  48. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    Fred racism is based on social constructs, right? Race does not actually exist except when given life by perceptions. As long as racism is discussed and people are accused of it (even when it is a false accusation), it will remain alive and well.

  49. By Smith on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    I think you’re right. Even though the NFL is 90% black, Joe Webb is just TOO BLACK!!!

    Actually he’s pretty light-skinned.

  50. By Frederick Jones on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    We can predict all we want. They have to do it on the field. Does it help for Freddie to be negative? Probably not, although that does draw attention.

    It draws attention even more than my thees, thous, and thys!!!

    I would think that if “all of us” were smart enough to SEE and comment on all the positives of the MN Vikings, that would be a winning attitude, and would help the team.

    Thou may not agree with thee

    HOW IS SAYING HOW “BAD” JOE WEBB IS PRODUCTIVE TO THE MN VIKINGS??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

  51. By Frederick Jones on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    Like F.L. Jones has stated racism may never go away!

  52. By Immure on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    Fred- Bethel-Thompson is not 30 he’s 24.

  53. By Parody on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    Fred – You can babble on and on about how good of a person you know you are, and pretend to not be calling anyone out or calling any names. I’m sure that you are convincing nobody beyond yourself.

    Behind it all, the only thing I hear is
    RACE CARD RACE CARD RACE CARD!

    If you want racism to go away, the first thing you need to do is get a different deck of cards.

  54. By Parody on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    Fred: “Racism will never go away in our lifetimes, so I’m just going to keep calling everyone who disagrees with me racist.”

    It’s just like saying: “This fire will never completely stop burning, so how can pouring some gasoline on it hurt? Either way, it’s just going to keep burning.”

  55. By Smith on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    I like Webb on our team. He seems like a great down to earth kid. The players love him and he’s great for the locker room.

    I think alot of us feel, with his speed, size, vertical jump, athleticism, etc., he could be GREAT at another postion and make a real contribution to the team.

    I don’t care what position he plays, I just want him to be successful out on the field.

  56. By OTKalil2012 on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    One of the greatest men to ever walk this earth once said….

    “Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.”
    ― Martin Luther King Jr.

    Only hope someday you can release the hate Fred and allow the light in to replace it…

    I don’t like using the word “hate”…And have scolded my children and grandchildren for using that word…

    They couldn’t come close to understanding the meaning of the word…nuff said about that from me…

  57. By Immure on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    Fred- Why do you assume that the only people critiquing Webb’s playing ability as a QB are white? Why do you assume that the reason people criticize him has nothing to with his ability as QB but has everything to do with the color of his skin?

    If your always looking for something, your always gonna find it even if its not truly there.

  58. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    I am going out and enjoy a nice ride in this beautiful weather– summer is almost over in the northland. Get off the blog and get outside!

  59. By jdude on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    First of guys the reason Webb was making all of those mistakes was because his line wasn’t giving him much support in the first place. He was not able sit in the pocket without getting pressured in week one or two. Don’t fret he just needs more time to develop and to play with a better line. Then we will see the good Joe Webb play.

    (p.s) who ever decided to compare Joe Webb to T.Jack is a F$$$ing d$ck because he is way better than T.Jack. Webb just usually doesn’t know the play book. T.jack will just miss wide open receivers and through it into triple coverage.

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  62. By purplepride77 on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    COLE Vikings, let’s win the game.
    COLE Vikings, honor your name.
    Go get that first down…
    then get two touchdowns…
    ROCK EM … SOCK EM
    FIGHT,FIGHT, FIGHT!
    COLE Vikings run up the score,
    You”ll hear us yell for more…
    V-I-K-I-N-G-S
    COLE Vikings, let”s go!

  63. By Frederick Jones on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    Joe Webb does have some negative qualities for sure. But what a HUGE upside this young player has as a quarterback!!! I mean he has spent about 1/5 or so of his time as a WR in college and the NFL.

    He could make great improvements as an NFL player, especially in the throwing game.

    Remember Joe Kapp, and his jump p.a.s.s.e.s. Imagine what Joe Webb could do if he acquired that skill. I hope we get some Offensive Linemen before he tries it, however!!!

  64. By Frederick Jones on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    We need some balance on here and less hate.

  65. By Frederick Jones on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    Jones can’t help it if you are a racist. That is your problem, don’t blame jones for pointing out how to spot a racist on Vikings.com. lol

  66. By Frederick Jones on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    “The Voice of the Fan” starring Dan Bizzario (pun intended)

    The guy talks about how Tubby Smith, U of M Basketball coach can’t complain because he lost his best two players. Heck, I’ve seen teams lose only their best player in basketball, and go in the tank. In basketball you only play five at a time, one player can make a huge difference!

    Remember Wilt Chamberlain and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar? They were one-man teams early in their NBA careers.

    Bizzario does not understand coaching at all!!!

  67. By ozzinator on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    Oz thinks Freddy has totally lost his mind…..

  68. By Frederick Jones on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    Bizzaro is an idiot. “i i i i i i…how does it effect you if gay marriage is allowed..i i i i i.”

  69. By Frederick Jones on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    Hey……my philosophy is to murder people… it’s just who I am!

  70. By Frederick Jones on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    Crack open your bibles people…that’s the truth!!!

  71. By GrandDaddyPurp on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    Check 1, 2, is this thing on?

  72. By jman on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    Someone arrest Fredrick Jones!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HE’S A MURDERER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHgggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  73. By jman on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    Also, F*** the ponder Haters.

  74. By Tim Tebow on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    Will you pray with me, Fred?

  75. By GrandDaddyPurp on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    Wow this site is getting ridiculous. I wish I knew what word I’m not supposed to be using here.

  76. By jman on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    who let the new yorker on here? As in who let Tim on here?

  77. By jman on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    Hey gramps. How about FU CK!

  78. By jman on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    OOPs!!! I mean FU+CK!

  79. By Mike B. on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    @Fred when are you going to realize that you are a racist no one in here but you bring up the race issue. I think you owe this entrie blog an appology and get some sensitivity training.

  80. By jman on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    HE doesnt have to apologize mike. You’re just sensative.

  81. By jman on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    Okay maybe he does.

  82. By Roninmn.. on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    The law firm should and wil be the number two quarterback. Joe is not there, he just doesn’t have it. Accept what cannot be changed and move on. I am sure he is a wonderful person, but this is a business.

  83. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    I hope the Hyphen becomes number two– I soooo hope so. Please Vikings, don’t blow this one. This kid looks incredible with no experience. He may be our number one even, in the future. I think the Vikes wanted to be fair to Webb because he has been with us for three years– so they let him play last week. Please, let’s see the Hyphen play at least a quarter next game.

  84. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    Okay, correction– Webb is going into his third year — second after rookie season.

  85. By Parody on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    The only hate right now is directed at you Freddy. You know it all too well. The provocative tone of your blogs is begging for controversy and hate. It seems that you feed off it and I really don’t understand why.

    But I’m sick of trying to talk civilly to you as a fellow fan, so you will need to have your fun with some of the more easily fooled bloggers.

  86. By Parody on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    I disagree Titus. From what I’ve seen so far, The Hyphen is just another JD Booty. Career third stringer.

  87. By Ekolu on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    Some really good comments so far. I believe the key will be the offensive line and I believe they will be much improved from last year. I believe the challenge will be how to turn Adrian and Toby into a 2 headed monster. this would be the best case scenario for the Vikings because it will give Adrian fresher legs, it will give Toby confidence, it will prolong Adrians career. It will also make the Vikings more of a ball control defense and give the defense more rest and less wear and tear. I believe that by allowing Gerhart to pound the defense that will also give Adrian more opportunities to burst the big ones against vulnerable defenses because of the pounding. It will keep defenses from stacking the back-end and it will allow Ponder more 1 on 1 match-ups with his receivers. Just take a look at Carolina, Cam Newton would never be successful without Deangelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart, Im convinced that Toby is ready to make his mark on this league and i cant wait to get AP back 100%.

  88. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    Oh, I think my vision is accurate Parody. Of course time will tell and maybe Webb turns out to be Terry Bradshaw according to Fred Jones’ prediction. With that in mind, I predict the Hyphen to be Brett Favre.

  89. By Spencer on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    Aye if any of you guys ever go to Timonium, Maryland, about 10min away from Baltimore..make sure you stop by “Gibby’s Seafood” they have the best crabs in the nation. $24/dozen.

  90. By Spencer on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    By Parody on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    I disagree Titus. From what I’ve seen so far, The Hyphen is just another JD Booty. Career third stringer.
    —————————————————————————————–

    Amen Parody, amen.

  91. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    You think so Spencer? I just Googled them– they will ship them to me.

  92. By Spencer on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    He||s yes I think so haha. Just got back from Baltimore about an hour ago, absolutely a beautiful city. The Harbor is the best part of Baltimore though, theres just so much to do there!

  93. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    Whatever you two. The minority report by Titus says the Hyphen is the next Tom Brady.

    By Parody on Aug 18, 2012 | Reply
    I still say take one more year to see if you can develop Webb. He might still be worth something in a trade. Meanwhile, The Hyphen can be hidden on the practice squad while we prepare him as the next developmental project.

  94. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    Really Spencer? One of my best friends moved there a few years ago and I still have not visited.

  95. By Spencer on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    You HAVE to get down there at least once in your lifetime. I’ve been going there since I was little, not a whole ton of things to do here in PA.

  96. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    McLeod Bethel-Thompson!!!!McLeod Bethel-Thompson!!!!McLeod Bethel-Thompson!!!!
    McLeod Bethel-Thompson!!!!McLeod Bethel-Thompson!!!!McLeod Bethel-Thompson!!!!
    McLeod Bethel-Thompson!!!!McLeod Bethel-Thompson!!!!McLeod Bethel-Thompson!!!!
    McLeod Bethel-Thompson!!!!McLeod Bethel-Thompson!!!!McLeod Bethel-Thompson!!!!
    McLeod Bethel-Thompson!!!!McLeod Bethel-Thompson!!!!McLeod Bethel-Thompson!!!!
    McLeod Bethel-Thompson!!!!McLeod Bethel-Thompson!!!!McLeod Bethel-Thompson!!!!

  97. By Spencer on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    But anyways Freds still on the racist stuff? Lol, hes great in relief but hes just not starting material.

  98. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    Maybe I will go one week-end here in the fall–

  99. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    I will fly down on a Friday and come home Monday.

  100. By Parody on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    That’s right Titus, I called him a developmental project. Meaning that there’s a chance he can become something more. But if I thought for a second that this kid has a legit shot at being a superstar, such as the next Brett Favre, I would not chance putting him on the practice squad.

  101. By Richard1A on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    Webb, maybe young at qb, but, he has showed he can run, extremely talented. They should put him in as receiver or runningback.

  102. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    Understood Parody– I even thought you were making reference to the “Chilly Projects.”

  103. By sandiamond on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    Bengals just released WR J. Shipley

  104. By frenum49 on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    Okay, okay……I have a legit question……Is anyone else concerned at all that our season would abruptly turn to s*** if Ponder hurts his dik hand??? I mean c’mon….Joe Webb?

  105. By Woodboat on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    BAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!

    I try to read all the posts before posting, but Fred…. you are a racist idiot.

    We aren’t against Webb because he’s black, we are against the team spending any more time on him because it is evident that he is incapable of playing the position. It has nothing to do with his race. I personally loved watching Warren Moon play, and Randall Cunningham, and Culpepper when he was young. If Webb could deliver the ball on time and accurately, I’d LOVE to watch this athlete play the position of QB.

    He’s HAD chance after chance. They call it practice. They call it game time. He hasn’t shown his bosses or most of the fans that he is capable of holding down the position.

    Do you REALLY think that Frazier doesn’t ALLOW Webb to study the playbook like Ponder? That’s how the Vikings coaching staff treats their backup QB?

    Dude, get race off your mind. The mans ethnicity has nothing to do with it.

  106. By Woodboat on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    WHY DOESN’T JOE WEBB KNOW THE PLAYBOOK? He’s had WAY more time to study it then any other QB on the roster…

    WHY DOES JOE WEBB NEED TO HAVE A COMPLETELY CLEAN POCKET IN ORDER TO THROW AN ACCURATE BALL? No other starting QB in the league has a clean pocket to throw out of. Not one. ANY NFL QB would look like a star if they have all day to sit back and relax.

    So it begs the question…

    Why do you Webb supporters want him to have luxuries no other QB has so badly? Why aren’t you behind McLeod BT just as loudly? Why are you down on Ponder when he has shown he is much more capable than Webb?

  107. By Woodboat on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    @frenum49…

    yes, all of us are very concerned that if Ponder gets hurt, we are scr ewed…

    except Fred and a few others that are hoping for that occurance.

  108. By CaribooBill on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    Joe Webb’s performance against the Bills was much better than against the 49ers 7/15 vs 4/11. MB-T had a lower rating than JW. I think we need to see more of MB-T before we anoint him as QB2. JW has shown improvement in 2011 over 2010. I really like him but I think CP7 may be the real deal and JW may never get a chance to develop. I think you have to play to develop. Nobody on the Vikings is trying to make him fail. On the contrary, they are in the business of developing and exploiting successful players to win games and earn big money.

  109. By Bishop on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    I’m hearing all this talk about keeping Thompson or Webb but why not keep both of them. Does anyone else think that cutting Rosenfels may be a better option. Then we’ll have both Webb and Thompson. Rosenfels is decent but he’s on the wrong side of 30.

  110. By Utley on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Joe Web is not a QB and it has nothing to do with racism. He’s simply not an accurate QB and he’s about as smart as a box of rocks. No more projects people! There isn’t any room or time in the NFL for projects (Tavaris Jackson). Bethel looks like a solid QB, I say we focus our energy on promising talent like B-T. Trade Joe for a 4th rounder and pick up Jordan Shipley!

  111. By Utley on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Here is another comment that will be taken as racism. I like the way Toby Gerhart runs the ball and prefer him over Adrian. I think he is more consistent, blocks better, catches better, and just offers more as an every down back, which keeps defenses wondering. Percy Harvin is just as much as a threat as peterson but is not relied on as much every down. We need to pull a Hershel Walker trade with Peterson!

  112. By Purple N Gold FAN on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Well lets give some Grades to the Vikes!! Lets see … First team Offense QB play was (A) RB play was (B)- WR play was (B+) . All good news HOWEVER now for the bad. The Offensive Line for pass protection was at best a (D) and run blocking was better but I can only give an (C) Lets face it I am a life long Viking Fan and a O-Line that plays like that in a real game, not a preseason game. Will get Ponder Killed !!!!!!! If the O-line plays like that during the season it WILL BE A LONG SEASON!!! I hate to say it but it all starts up front!! That being said they do look a little better then last year! So I will hold out hope that it’s a work in progress for the O-line and by the start of the season I will see at least (C+) to a (B) pass protection out of them!! No QB can be good if the O-line doesn’t play well. Point in case just as Favre!!!

  113. By sandiamond on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Underdog role has suited Vikings’ Audie Cole before

    http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/166718006.html?refer=y

  114. By derka derka on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Fred, the only reason racism still exists as it does in our society, is because morons like you keep it alive.

  115. By packhater on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Frederick Jones is only a racist when he talks to Freddy who is a bad influence and is the best friend of F.L. Jones and Jonesie.

  116. By 61Vikings on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    How can there be racism in the NFL, when the league is 70-75% black!!

  117. By T.HARRIS on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    A 6’5 239LBS AC UNIT no not air condition AUDIE COLE UNIT.

  118. By H.M.G. on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Did you remove the MMMB because my questions hurt your feelings?

  119. By Spoiler Alert on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    On the Racism topic: Right on, guys. If there is bigotry or racism in the NFL, it is hidden well. Why is there little racism in the NFL? Because if there were an openly racist player, coach, or organization, there would be a lot more injuries and extremely hard hits. You cannot afford to be openly racist in a game where hitting is a key element. Are there stereotypes?, definatly. But race is definatly a non issue in the NFL. Racist statements about coaches or QB’s, have been silenced. It’s a put up or shut up league. So Fred J, shut up.

  120. By Bluebird7 on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Just found out John Carlson, our TE, will be out indefinitely, with MCL injury subtained during practice..

  121. By KoN on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    You’re a little late on that Bluebird, it is likely that he will be back either this week or next week.

  122. By 61Vikings on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    If this organization is going young, then guys like Cole and Thompson should make the team easily, if fact, Cole should start over Brinkley, its not like Brinkley’s been the starter for the last 4-5 years here!! I think its time to release Sage Rosenfels and go completely young at the QB position!! Ponder-starter, Webb 2nd string, Thompson 3rd string!! Use Webb the same way we use Harvin, but line him up at QB once in a while!!!

  123. By Bluebird7 on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Have some interesting info for the Crab lovers Titus and Spencer.

    The Natural Resources Defense Council found the most contaminated places in the US due to sewage, storm runoff, are in Cameron Parish, Louisiana The tests found human and animal waste which causes Gastrointestial illness.

    Louisiana, What a great place to watch some football and eat some seafood.

  124. By Vikes4Life on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    I’ve gotta say, I am super excited about this team. I think there is a good chance that the Vikings are the suprise team this season. Watching practices, first two games, seeing the commradre between the players. We, as fans, have something good to look forward to. There are some good things happening with this team. There is just something in the air right now!!!
    SKOL!!!

  125. By Bluebird7 on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    KoN, that would still be indefinite, I believe. I sure hope he can make it for a preseason game, he is the other one for Bookend TE’s!

  126. By H.M.G. on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Anyone else notice when the QB coach was talking to the QBs that they had to get Webb’s attention?
    Ponder, Sage, and extremely long name guy were all listening and looking at the pictures. Webb was staring off into space. This has me really worried. If he is not puting the work in during the game maybe he just sleeps through meetings and doesn’t find doing the mental aspect part of the game to be important. It has nothing to do with race if you don’t do the work you will always be a scrub.

  127. By H.M.G. on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Earth to Webb you need to work even harder than the starting QB if you want to be the very best.

  128. By OTKalil2012 on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    You would think the coaching staff would have Cole already in line for the final 53 man roster…

    The main area of concern the coaching staff always seems to mention while talking about Brinkley…Is Brinkley being a complete MLB with p a s s coverage skills…

    Well 3rd string players on the field or not…Cole grabbing 2 ints and a s a c k in 2 games should have the coaching staff smiling from ear to ear…And how about the team chemistry when the most of the team in the end zone to congratulate the rookie !!!…

  129. By rogerthevikefan on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    @H.M.G. I seen that too. Makes one think he thinks that he doesn’t need to put in the work that the others do.
    Webb look at all the run first QBs. NONE have won a Super Bowl. McNugget and QBDog Killer are two options to consider here. McNugget finally became a pa sser but then old age and lazyness took over. QBDK runs all over but only recently has some one told him he needs to be a pa sser first and runner second. If he would be a pas ser first he would not always get hurt.
    Cunningham is the only QB to actually make the transition. If not for the dingleberry known as Gary Anderson… Randall may have won a Super Bowl.

  130. By OTKalil2012 on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    I find it funny…

    Not a sports writer out there even mention the possibility of the Vikings being a sleeper team this coming season ??….

    I think the Vikings are going to surprise this fall…

    How much ???…

    I think the Vikings go 9-7 this season…

  131. By rogerthevikefan on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    History will repeat itself if no one makes a change. Put in the work and you may not fall into the McNugget and QBDK category.
    Be like Mister Minister Cunninham and put in the work.

  132. By Vikes4Life on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    YESSSSS! Lot’s of chemistry. The team is looking very fluid with eachother. Have a look at the GB website. Dissention among the fans and everyone is very worried. It reminds me of the 2010 Vikings. We all know what happened. I’m not saying that the packers are going to nose dive like the Vikings did, but the overconfidence of the organization may hurt them and help us. Like I said before, there is certainly something in the air right now and we might be the suprise of the NFL this season.

  133. By Woodboat on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    @ HMG..

    I DID notice that during the game. When they finally got him to pay attention, he took the pics out of the coaches hands and wandered off with them leaving the other QBs standing there looking at each other like ” WTF?”

  134. By rogerthevikefan on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Mister Minister Cunningham

  135. By Frederick Jones on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    …Okay I admit to being a racist…against white people!!!

    MOST OF THE BLOGGERS ON HERE JUST WANT TO BE ON THE SIDE THAT’S WINNING. Right now that is the Ponder group. As soon as Ponder throws some b a l l s to the opponent and loses his job, all of you switch to the new side that is winning.

    I am extremely disappointed in Woodboat. I thought you were a different sort of person than that.

  136. By Frederick Jones on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    It’s not jones fault if YOU feel guilty about trying to kick a player off of a team simply because he is black.

    That is on you!

  137. By Frederick Jones on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Through all of this jones has kept his promise of not calling any bloggers or Vikings personnel names.

    Many of you cannot say that!

  138. By Frederick Jones on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    “i i i i i i i i i i” won’t take back my statement about Bizzaro on The Voice of the Fan, none of what he said takes into account what the bible says.

    WHO EVER COMPARED ME TO TEBOW…THANK YOU!!!

  139. By Frederick Jones on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Crack open your bible and attend church once in a while.

    Then you will have EYES TO SEE.

  140. By Richard1A on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    They should start the 2nd and 3rd string, the vikes will fall behind, then put in the starting line up, can Ponder pull them out of it? big thrill, they will start the starting line up, everyone will say, oh, when the starting line up was in there they looked good, c’mon, whats that prove. The starting qb who is unproven needs some challenge!, 4th quarter, down by 20 points, that would be a challenge, chance of a lifetime and its free, lets see him handle the challenge!!! just looking at the starting team, and then the usual, oh, they looked kind of good does nothing, make them a better team, has Ponder got what it takes to bring the team back, that is what preseason is for.

  141. By Stoney on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    I say start Cole this week and see what the kid has. Can’t hurt, plus I think he earned the opportunity.

  142. By Stoney on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    FRED, seek help, or find a way to relax, something herbal perhaps.

  143. By Ozzinator on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    @ Fred – I do, once a week.
    Oz still thinks Fredward is a little stressed out.

  144. By rogerthevikefan on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    @Fred- I am Ponder’s biggest supporter. I have supported him during the lows of last season and will continue to support him into the far future.

  145. By rogerthevikefan on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    I liked him before he was drafted. Paraphrashing my own words about Ponder before he was drafted: He is the perfect example of what a West Caost QB needs to be.

  146. By H.M.G. on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    @Fred
    I tried going to church it made my skin burn.

  147. By H.M.G. on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Those who pull a race card or go to religion at the first sign of some one disagreeing with them needs to look in the mirror.

  148. By H.M.G. on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    So according to you Fred Jones since I don’t think Webb is a good QB I will be burning in HE[[ right?

  149. By H.M.G. on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Fred Jones is G O D! Everyone be afraid of his judgment.

  150. By Jimmy on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Freddy I am a Afirican American and I don’t think Webb is a good QB.

  151. By Ozzinator on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    I’m not afraid of Fred’s judgement, just a bit concerned of it…….

  152. By H.M.G. on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    If Webb puts in the work he might become good. But so far he seems to not understand the mental aspect of the game. Cunningham was one of the hardest workers ever in the NFL.
    Warren Moon was doubted by everyone but he put the work in and is a HOFer.

  153. By Frederick Jones on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Ozz,

    Your blog name makes fjones wonder if you ever go to church!

  154. By Frederick Jones on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    H.M.G.,

    Joe Webb knows more about quarterbacking in the NFL than ALL of the bloggers combined!

    How can we judge what he knows? Can you see inside his brain? Do you see what he sees?

  155. By Ozzinator on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Freddy shouldn’t wonder, for Oz is Catholic and attends church weekly.
    Peace my friend.

  156. By Frederick Jones on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    @Jimmy,

    A 400 pound man, sitting on the couch eating potato chips, can criticize Michael Jordan’s jump shot.

    Anyone can say any thing on Vikings.com.

  157. By Frederick Jones on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    It irritates me as much as anything when people say that Joe Webb ought to play WR or RB or DB.

    Down the road we may have to trade Ponder or Webb, but currently we need a quarterback or two!!!

  158. By Frederick Jones on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    i i i i i i i i i i i i i

  159. By H.M.G. on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    @Fred
    Are you a 400 pound man eating potato chips?
    Maybe that would explain why you are so touchy.

  160. By Jimmy on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Well it so happens to be that I am a man of color and since you seem to question it I will now call you a racist.

  161. By Jimmy on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    You don’t have to be colored to support a Pro football player of a differant race then yourself. I think Ponder is going to be a good QB, Peterson is my favorite Viking of all time, and I doubt Joe Webb’s ability to play QB at a high level.

  162. By ozzinator on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Fred, tell me more about the OL needs on the team. Not sure I’m quite gettin’ it.

  163. By H.M.G. on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Well I think Aaron Rodgers is a giant Dbag and should stop making shower babies with his WR core.

  164. By H.M.G. on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    @Fred you should stick to your phychotic rants about the OLine needs and stay away from race and religion.

  165. By Spoiler Alert on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Fred Jones admits to being racist, against white people. Hey, Fred, I have a shoehorn you can borrow, it may help you get that foot even further into your mouth. What an archaic individual.

  166. By KalilsMomisamilf on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Hey Fred. I take offense to the racist statement. I am BLACK as black gets, but you do not help the cause of other black Americans. If nothing else, it is your attitude that gives the black community a bad name. There are too many like you. This is America, where your talents and ambitions carry you as far as you want to go, regardless of skin color. If you can’t realize that, then you deserve the name that is viewed as derrogatory by some in our community.

  167. By H.M.G. on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    HC who are great: Bud Grant, Mike Tomlin, Tony Dungy, Tom Landry, Vince L.
    Good: Denny Green, Norv Turner, Andy Reid, Mike Smith, Frazier.
    Aweful: Chilly, Bobby P., Ken Wisenhunt.
    See race doesn’t matter when it come down to coaching ability.

  168. By Frederick Jones on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    @HMG,

    Yeah, you are right, race doesn’t matter as far as choosing who the good coaches are as long as they are white! Look at your list again!!

    How did we get down this path?

    Let me repeat for the 1,000,000 time, JONES NEVER CALLED ANYONE A NAME.
    If you feel like you are called a racist, then you are the one that moved!

  169. By Frederick Jones on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Some of you read things into my posts that are not there.

  170. By Frederick Jones on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Somehow telling someone what race you are isn’t very convincing.

    I myself, roseanna roseannadanna, am a 13 year old girl.

  171. By Frederick Jones on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    You can be anything you want on this blog.

    To some people that is the point.

  172. By Frederick Jones on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    We even have some guys that are more than one blogger name!

    And you call the fljones boy sick.

    How sick is that?

  173. By H.M.G. on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    @Fred
    Denny Green is an african american. so is Frazier, Dungy, and Tomlin. But forget it you are right everyone is racist except you. Why not go into your room and cry like the 13 year old girl you claim to be.

  174. By Frederick Jones on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Jonesward has predicted that this blog would change to that similar to the Lions and Redskins where you have to blog in every time.

    That way you can only be one person. Jonesward still SEES it happening.

    This blog should be about football and not about people trying to ruin a person’s career because of their skin color.

  175. By Frederick Jones on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    I don’t read every post on here, and I DON’T THINK YOU DO EITHER, but I’m pretty sure I am the only guy who writes about the lack of interest in offensive line play in Minnesota.

    My point is this: If I’m the only guy like this on Vikings.com, then it has to be true that the O Line is ignored, not only by you, WHO EVER YOU ARE, but by NFL COACHES, BROADCASTERS, PLAYERS, as well.

  176. By Frederick Jones on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    It is so easy to rip apart the posts some people put on here. I’ve caught myself doing just that recently. I erased nasty comments. I hope that I can see the good in what people contribute to this site.

    It’s easier to be negative

  177. By Frederick Jones on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Joe Kapp was, in many ways, an average quarterback. But he got lots of chances to attempt bombs to Gene Washington, and John Henderson. He only had to connect once in a great while.

    The running backs Dave Osborn, and Bill Brown averaged less than 4 yards per carry. They got lots of chances because of that offensive line. Then again the defense put the offense on the field.

    We need a great team, and do not be mistaken, it is rare in the NFL to get more than 20 guys working together. The Vikings may actually have pretty good talent, but is there commitment to team.

  178. By Frederick Jones on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

  179. By Jayson on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Fredrick, I can see where you are coming from in reference to Terry Bradshaw but come on man, you are trying to compare a QB who played against defenses 35 years ago. ALOT has changed since then my friend. Defenses of today are much bigger, stronger. fatser and smarter. Everybody is entitled to thier own opinions and I personally do not have a problem with some fans prefering Webb over Ponder. After all, Webb is a tremendous athelete. I do however have a problem with people throwing up the race flag. Thats just foolishness. Ponder was a first round pick for a reason and i believe he is a better throwing QB then Webb and that is essential in the modern day and it has NOTHING to do with the color of the skin. Webb has had some chances and has done some good things with those chances but the coaches have a much better vantage point then we do and they have not felt that Webb is the number one.

  180. By Meekay on Aug 21, 2012 | Reply

    Well, yes, some defenses are fatser I suppose.

  181. By Deer Tracks* on Aug 21, 2012 | Reply

    Yes, indeed. If by chance those Defensive Backs each weigh 400 lbs each.

    And also eat tons of chips, I say they could be termed “fatser”.

  182. By puckertrucker on Aug 21, 2012 | Reply

    After reading comments by Jones, Flavius, DeerTracks: I get the distinct impression that you people would rather discuss racism, and the fact or lack there of that Joe Webb is a QB or not a QB. Lets Face facts until we get a coach with fire in his belly we are going to be second rate team because you have to light a fire in your players if they are going to play like they’re on fire and Frazier just doesn’t have any fire in his belly, I mean watch his press confrences he has a monotone voice and no excitement to it. Iv’e watched him on the Sidelines he has no emotion and he shows no emotion. Joe Webb is a product of a coach with no Fire in his belly. the only difference between Webb and Ponder is Ponder has not been exposed to Fraier long enough for Fraziers lack of emotion to rub off on him, He still has the fire from his Florida Days of playing where he had a coach with fire in his belly. not like Frazier, If you ask me Frazier has ruined Webb and nobody else. If Webb had a Coach with Fire in his System Webb would be playing like a man on Fire and would have been playing that way for the last two years. Remember it all comes down to having a coach with fire in their bellies or at least coaching like you do. The One and Only PuckerTrucker!!!!!!!Skol Fans

  183. By Richard1A on Aug 21, 2012 | Reply

    I know what I have seen or saw! Webb has done more bad drives than he has done good drives, the only reason we keep saying he can play is his running with the ball ability that saves him. I don’t know what the confusion is, he needs to run with the ball to use his talent.

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