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Harrison Smith To Get More Work With First-Team Defense

Posted by Mike Wobschall on August 13, 2012 – 5:22 am

Harrison Smith is one of the Vikings two 1st-round picks from last April’s draft. But so far during his short Vikings career, Smith has been running more with the second-team and third-team defenses than with the first team. According to Vikings Head Coach Leslie Frazier, though, that could be changing soon.

“One of the things when we went back to look at the tape, and we felt this way going in, [was] Harrison was really making a push,” Frazier said on Sunday. “He’s going to get a chance to work in that first group, and he did on Friday night as well, he just didn’t start the game. It will be the same this week, although we’re going to do some things a little bit different with the starting rotations on Friday night. He’s done enough now where we feel confident that he can go out there in a starter’s role and we want to see how he performs in that role. He very well could start (this) Friday, he’s did some good things when he was in there (last) Friday night.”

Those comments are great news for the Vikings. As a 1st-round pick, the expectation is for Smith to emerge from 2012 Verizon Vikings Training Camp, and it sounds like Smith is on track to do just that. Billed as an intelligent and instinctive defender with sound coverage skills and exceptional tackling ability, Smith should upgrade the Vikings at safety and help improve a pass defense that ranked 26th in yards allowed and last in TDs allowed in 2011.

All along, Vikings Defensive Coordinator Alan Williams defended putting Smith with the second and third team defenses by saying he wanted players to earn their spots as starters rather than be given starting positions based on draft position or pedigree. It sounds like Smith is doing everything the coaches are asking of him, including earning a spot as a starter on defense.


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226 Responses to “Harrison Smith To Get More Work With First-Team Defense”

  1. By Mike B. on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    first

  2. By Mike B. on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    You should expect a 1st Round pick should be starting. Looks to me like we need that talent in the secondary.

  3. By Mike B. on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    I disagree with Wobby on his take on the WR. There is some talent at WR, but they still don’t have that prototypical #1`WR. I don’t think other teams are going to respect our ability to get the ball down the field quickly and that will cause the running game and OL to have more problems. You can’t use the TE exclusively as your primary pass catchers. You need the Randy Moss type WR that has the chance to burn you at any opportunity. This keeps Linebackers away from the from the line and not get those 8 or 9 in the box. Will wait till regular season, but don’t really see much improvement so far.

  4. By Mike B. on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Joe Webb looked very rusty out there playing with the twos and threes, but it was the first game. I am sure he will get better. I like the look of the young QB even with the interception. He has a nice throw, but not sure if there is a spot on this team. He may end up a practice squad guy unless they decide to part ways with Sage.

  5. By Deer Tracks* on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Mike B. I agree with you on Joe Webb! The Friday game was only the FIRST game!

    All you Anti-Webb people will be eating dirt later on in the season!

  6. By Rocksalt on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Webb has been in this system long enough not to have that kind of rust………..if I were him, I would be worried…..

  7. By TampaNorseman on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Smith and Raymond should be the starters and hopefully Blanton can get healthy and start making a push to be the 3rd Safety. Jamarca Sanford got blown up on several plays last week and he is nothing more than a “special teams ace” and we can get those from the young kids coming up. Sanford is horrible and would find it had to make most teams in the NFL. We should be much improved next year with Smith, Blanton and Raymond having more experience but we still need depth – or maybe a stud should one be available in next years draft.

  8. By Spencer on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Jamarca Sanford is terrible, that is all.

  9. By sandiamond on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1294442-report-card-grades-for-all-first-round-rookies-after-week-1-preseason-games

  10. By packhater on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    It dont matter if its 1st, 2nd, or 3rd string. When a back-up QB runs 70 yds. into the endzone untouched, yes i would say we have some issues with TACKLING !!!!!!!!!

  11. By OTKalil2012 on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Carr did not play well last Friday…

    Sanford and Raymond did impress this fan in the first preseason game either…

    And the first string LB play was terrible early in the game…

    Late..A Cole seems to have a nose for the football…And Solomon showed some promise…McKenzie seemed to stay in his gaps decent..But missed some big tackles…

    Overall second string LB’s did okay…

    Wish Blanton was healthy…Like to see a little of what he has to offer…

    Brinkley needs to step up on his run game defense…Or the Vikings will be looking for a veteran MLB to help this defense along…

    I could still see the Vikings adding/dropping players for 3 positions on the field…WR…CB/S…MLB…

  12. By OTKalil2012 on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    *Raymond did not impress

  13. By packhater on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    not to mention the guy was like 6’7″ running upright. Then we have to deal with the Jags 4’0” bowling ball in week one?. Not good.

  14. By César Beligni on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Joe Webb should play receiver , not that he is a bad qb , but with the speed and size he has , he could be a way better wr then qb.

  15. By Spencer on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    He cant catch the football.

  16. By Mike B. on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    @Cesar He might be a better WR than QB, but it isn’t like you can interchange players like that. He was brought onto the team as a WR, but now he’s training as a QB. It would be a huge step back for him to go to WR. He wouldn’t be a starter for a long time. He will be a good backup QB for a long time in this league and that can be a good career also.

  17. By Mike B. on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    In my opinion the entire Defensive backfield didn’t play well this first game. This was the same issue we had last year. Let’s see what happens the test of the preseaosn, but the defense is not much improved from what I see.

  18. By Mike B. on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    oops rest

  19. By PurplHaze on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    YES!!! WHAT TOOK YOU SO LONG?!?!?!

  20. By sandiamond on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    nice ball-hawking skills!

  21. By packhater on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Would someone please explain to me if Notre Dame has all this 1st round NFL talent…why do they $uck year in and year out at the college level?

  22. By Mike B. on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    AP way to go with your Rehab. It’s great that you can be ready by 1 regular season game. I don’t think we will see much of him in Preseason Game #2 more likely Game #3 and not at all Game #4. Just my thoughts.

  23. By vikeman56 on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    What do u guys think of this? trade joe webb 4 a 1st or 2nd round draft pick. we could use that pick to draft a prototypical #1 WR. i think its a good idea. DO YOU???????

  24. By sandiamond on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    fs smith
    ss sanford
    cb cook
    cb robinson/winfield
    scb winfield/carr

  25. By packhater on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Noone isfoolish enough to give up a 1st or 2nd round pick for Webb. Trust me.

  26. By Todd B. on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    After watching the 49er game, the Vikings should inquire if NT Pat Williams has a younger brother!

  27. By vikeman56 on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Thats a good one Todd B.!

  28. By Viks8&8 on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Shoot! After that game we should just go get Pat Williams at least he takes up some space!

  29. By packhater on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Does it really matter how bad your Defense is when your Offense cant score TD’s ? If you wanna compete with Brees & Rodgers… you better have some firepower. They dont play very many games with 13-10 final scores.

  30. By Spencer on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    lol No way we get a first or a second for Joe Webb. To put it in perspective the Eagles traded Asante Samuel to the Falcons for a 7th round pick.

  31. By packhater on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    @Specer lol. Not even Daniel Snyder in his prime would have fell for that one.

  32. By ozzinator on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Mistral Raymond sucks!

  33. By vikingology1 on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Frazier should have Ponder throw the ball 20-25 times-isn’t that what pre-season is all about, seeing what WR’s can do and getting your QB in a rhythm. They ran an offense like a regular season game-run , run , pass.

  34. By Spencer on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Packhater- Give me your opinion of the 5 most important players on the team.

  35. By packhater on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    1. Peterson-IF healthy, noone in the league is better. 2.Ponder- he’s the leader and pulls the trigger. 3. Harvin- does it all RB,WR,KR,PR. 4.-Allen- a total beast and basically our entire defense. 5.Kahlil- if you spend the 3rd pick in the draft on him, he better be all that and then some.

  36. By sandiamond on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Raymond / Sanford first team safties at practice today. ya gota earn it!!

  37. By packhater on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    We can all say good and bad things about certain players but one thing they dont control is the play calling and that is a glaring problem that must be addressed this year most importantly !!!

  38. By Spencer on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    I dont see why we’re making Harrison Smith earn anything. Sanford and company DIS-EARNED the right to start based upon how garbage they were last season!

    Frazier is not a good Head Coach.

  39. By Digger on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    One thing I think most of you seem to keep forgetting is going into Fridays game at San Fran, all the players and coaches on defense said that they were only going to playing about 4 basic sets, no stunts and play a pretty vanilla defense, which it looked like they did. They did this for 2 main reasons, they play San Fran for real in week 3 I think and also to just play a basic base defense and play a lot of young players. Yes I agree they looked bad against the run. But, No Allen, Williams and Windfield and I would be willing to bet that Greenway, Henderson and Brinkley will play better then they showed. Calm down people, ITS PRE SEASON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  40. By Spencer on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    5 most important players on the team.

    1. Percy Harvin
    2. Chrstian Ponder
    3. Jared Allen
    4. Adrian Peterson
    5. Chris Cook

  41. By Spencer on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    I just dont get it

  42. By packhater on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    @ Spencer If Cookie focuses on the game and stays outta trouble, I agree he has the potential to be very special.

  43. By sandiamond on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    only S viking exp vs notre dame duo
    two starting jobs up for grabs

  44. By T.allen.govikes on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    49ers definetly more polished team, bills more our speed. nice to see vikes throw smith other young guys in to see how they do. Veterans in there to will help!

  45. By Mike B. on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    @vikeman56 No team is going to give a 1st or 2nd round pick for a 4th round pick that hasn’t started more than a couple games.

  46. By novascotiavike on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    God, I’d hate to be called “cookie”.

  47. By ozzinator on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    “Cookie” – good name for a pop band!

  48. By vikelifer on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Whoever is in charge of this site might take note that neither Hutch or Sciancoe,Sidney Rice, Longwell is no longer on the team.Surprised you don’t have my man Chris Carter on there, and as he would say”come on Man” get with the program.

  49. By novascotiavike on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    vikelifer, actually it’s Cris Carter, but no worries, there is nobody in charge of this site.

  50. By Mike B. on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    I think the jury is still out on cookie if he’s a good CB or a great one.

  51. By novascotiavike on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    If his nickname is really “cookie”, I’m guessing that he’ll crumble.

  52. By Spencer on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Chris Cook: the best kept secret in the National Football League

  53. By novascotiavike on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    I guess “cookie” is a better nickname than “church candle” which get lit up every Sunday.

  54. By ozzinator on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Bwaa ha ha ha ha – Nova!

  55. By Troutdaddy on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Spencer- I know you love Cook, but I was not impressed with the way he played last week. Especially when the 49er QB ran for the TD… It was like he gave up. he has got to step it up to make my top 10. Here is my list:

    1- Harvin
    2- Peterson
    3- Ponder
    4- Allen
    5- Kalil
    6- Gearhart
    7- Walsh
    8- Rudolph
    9- Simpson
    10- Smith/Cook???

    Thoughts?

  56. By Mike B. on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    I question cookie’s ability to tackle. You have to be able to tackle on the defense not just keep up with receivers and disrupt the pass. If he catches it anyway you got to “tackle’ that person. Cook has never proven that he can tackle.

  57. By Immure on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Troutdaddy- I like your list but I would’ve thrown Big Kev and Greenway in there somewhere.

  58. By Woodboat on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    @Deer Tracks…

    It was only the first game? What, ever? Which of the other 6 QBs on the field that night looked worse than Webb? Has he been kept out of OTAs and Training Camp practices in an attempt to make him look horrible?

    Hey, if you like the guy as a player, who am I or anyone else to try to talk you off it. The FACT remains that he looked bad friday night. He has had the same opportunity as all the other QBs to throw the ball to the WRs, and he couldn’t even get close. It wasn’t a timing issue, it was an accuracy issue. If the coaches have never even considered him as being a guy they could groom into being our starter, how can anyone argue that he’s got a future as a starter in this league?

  59. By Woodboat on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Spencer…. pull Cook off your 5 most important list and add Jasper Brinkley to it. I’m not saying he’s top 5 talent, but our season really hinges on how well he can play that MLB spot.

  60. By novascotiavike on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Never say “Pull Cook Off” to Spence !

  61. By Spencer on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    The first 5 games the defense was stout, why? Because we had a premier Cornerback on the team that could guard the best WR’s in the league. Then he got falsely accused of a crime that he did not commit and the the defense went downhill.

  62. By Spencer on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    But anyways I cant wait to see how Josh Robinson looks next game, should be interesting.

  63. By VKINGS on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    We should give plaxico burress a try out im sure he is alot better then jenkins and many of are wr that will start. You cant go wrong with Plaxico Burress he has size great hands and he is in great shape stats 2011 REC. 45 YDS. 612 TDS. 8

  64. By Spencer on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Why not get some of these young guys some snaps like Wright and Burton instead so they can actually develop while we wait for Simpson?

    We are REBUILDING, we are trying to DEVELOP the players we draft… what is the point of bringing in a guy like plax that can’t run anymore and is a lockerroom cancer? We are trying to get guys reps, let them learn on the job instead of brining in a guy like plax that will tear Ponder apart!

  65. By KoN on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Plax also started 13 games to Jenkins’ 7. I like Jenkins better.

  66. By Deer Tracks* on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Woodboat, your boat is sinking, or haven’t you noticed the water is up to your chin?

    The Vikings have the entire 2012 season to play, somewhere Webb will be in the mix,

    And prove to you doubters that he can win games for the team. Just wait.

  67. By Tark on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    I’d like to chime in on the top 5. I’ll include a few others, as I feel they are just as important
    Ponder-obvious reasons
    AP-because he IS the franchise
    Harvin-The only distinguished reciever
    Rudolph-A key ingredient to the passing game
    Allen-because he is a beast
    Smith-because the Vikings NEED som safety play
    Williams-an intregal part of the DL
    Greenway-the only real veteran in the LB corps. These guys are the core of the team, and who the Vikings must build around

  68. By sandiamond on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Carr/ Sanford out of #1 nickel package. Burton / Smith in
    They must have Burton high on the pass coverage depth chart!

  69. By sandiamond on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    * be high on

  70. By Tark on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    When looking at the lists everyone has provided, and looking at some of the talent on this team, we may be closer than critics realize. The problems are in the passing game, both offense and defense. If Ponder-Rudolph-Smith can fill some voids, then I think the future will be here faster than critics think. The core of this team is still fairly young. Greenway-Allen-Harvin-Kalil-Sullivan-AP, are all very capable and have a few good years ahead of them. It is really up to the younger talent, Ponder-Rudolph-Smith-Guion-Griffen-Ballard-Simpson. These guys need to be good in order to secure a future for the team. If they can step up in the next two seasons, the window may open again. The 2013 draft, the Vikings must take another CB. Winfield has a year, maybe two left, someone needs to fill his shoes, and Cook can only play on one side of the field. Williams too, will also be gone in a year or two, so hopefully Ballard and Guion can fill the middle. Ballard is a question, but I’m confident in Guion. The season won’t be as long as some are predicting, but these young guys need to step it up so we arent in the same position in two years, if they do not, then two years down the road, we will really be in a world of $hit.

  71. By Tark on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    And although I’m aware of the complaints about not enough fire, we MUST keep Frazier. He played on a Superbowl champion team. He won two collegiant conference titles as a head coach. He was a DB coach for Philly the year they went to the Superbowl. He was on the Indy staff the year they won the Superbowl. He was on staff in 09 at our last championship run. This guy has been to the big game as a player and won. He has been to the big game as a coach, and won. He has been to the big game as a Head Coach (college) and won. Frazier knows what it takes to be a champion. He lacks fire and emotion, but so did Bud Grant and Tom Landry. He has been backed by Bud, and most of the old purple gang. He has been backed by Dungy, and the players love the guy. You can say all you want about last season, but the truth is Bud only won 3 games his first season as well. If you ever want to have a second coming of Bud Grant in MN, this guy may be the closest it gets. Do not let this guy slip away. If we do, we will be sorry. I respect other’s opinions of Coach Frazier, but this is mine. I say, “keep the faith and faith will reward you”!

  72. By HCG. on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Church candle!! Hahahaaahahaahasa.

    Vote on the lamest named team in the NFL.

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    Post Pics, gifs, video.

    You can say Chr!st!an.

    Become an author and write a blog.

    Only at http://vikingsfootballblog.com/

    Where your opinion matters.

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  73. By sandiamond on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    ‏@TomPelissero

    Everson Griffen dinged a knee, per Frazier, who also said the #Vikings are going to give him most of his work at DE going forward.

  74. By Richard1A on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    We have like the worst defenses in the NFL, hes a first round pick, things must be bad on the team if they are trying to convince us this is something knew, and if not for the great coachs we have it may have gone unnoticed! wow, is it new coach time.

  75. By spoiler alert on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Richard???WTF are you talking about? Are you talking about Smith?? Smith looked pretty good against the Niners, he didnt make any splashy plays, but he was in position on every snap. He was on the ball and was not fooled by mis-direction. He made excellent reads and if you were watching, he made great pre-snap adjustments. The coaching staff is going to give him time with the A-team this week, and every single analyst predicts him to be starting for week 1. WTF are you talking about?? The whole idea of him not starting with the ones, is the idea that unless you are a top five pick (Kalil), you have to earn the position. He is doing it, the coaches see it, and Coaches statement is an indication that he will start week 1.
    You obviously did not put much thought into your last comment. GEESH!

  76. By spoiler alert on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    “Smith has been running more with the second-team and third-team defenses than with the first team. According to Vikings Head Coach Leslie Frazier, though, that could be changing soon”

    “As a 1st-round pick, the expectation is for Smith to emerge from 2012 Verizon Vikings Training Camp, and it sounds like Smith is on track to do just that”

    “Alan Williams defended putting Smith with the second and third team defenses by saying he wanted players to earn their spots as starters rather than be given starting positions based on draft position”
    Good god man, read the blog before posting!

  77. By OPTIMUS VOIBUS on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    @Spoiler-go easy. We certainly do not need any more name calling and harsh opinions on this blog-and we certainly don’t need harsh feelings toward one another. We should be bretheren-fighting side by side to ensure a loyal fanbase to a historic franchise.

  78. By frenum49 on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Agreed….(@spoiler alert) They wouldnt be referring to Smith as being smart if he was constantly out of position. The coaches are obviously seeing much more from him than anyone else not front and center at training camp. Alan Williams choice to put Smith in the 2nd and 3rds just enforces the fact that college egos need to be grounded before NFL egos can be built from the ground up. I can judge Joe Webb on that first preseason game. Look at the offensive line he was working with. He had NO TIME to make a play. Still he should be far enough along in his career to avoid boucing the ball off the turf half way to his receiver……

  79. By spoiler alert on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    @frenum49. THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!! There is a good reason behind what is going on with Smith. These coaches know a lot more about how to treat young players than ANY OF US DO! Some people just do not get that. Even the fans who are front and center everyday during training camp, they don’t see what goes on in the office, or in the locker room, or after hours, or duing film study. They don’t see the gameplan, and have no way of knowing if the player is executing. I’m so frustrated with all the arm-chair coaches on this blog. Half of you wouldnt even know when your shoulder pads are on backward. Two seasons of middle school football do not make you an expert. GEEEEESH!!!!!!
    and i agree about Webb also, there is a reason why Ponder was drafted. Had Webb all the tangibles of a QB, he would be starting.
    Guess what guys, HE IS NOT!!

  80. By spoiler alert on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    AAAGHGHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

  81. By Vikes4life on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    HAHAAH, that is some funny $hit man. Keep em’ coming. Someone needs to put a few of these bloggers in their place.

  82. By spoiler alert on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    thanks vikes4life. Next week I’ll make a list. LOL!!

  83. By Vikes4life on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Cant blame the coach for everything. he only can do so much. He can put you into position, but if you get fooled by motion or by a counter, that aint coaches fault. you can take it to the bank baby

  84. By Spencer on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    So apparently Everson Griffin is back at DE. Good. I think he’s going to fit in just fine with the rotating DL this year. I’d rather see him as a 2nd team DE than a 3rd team LB. He has potential to push the starters on the DL.

  85. By PurpleNation on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    So what are people’s thoughts on the Vikings picking up Lee Evans on the cheap? (Veteran Minimum) A veteran that can still produce, (At Times) but only my opinion!

  86. By Spencer on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    A veteran that can still produce? Lee Evans had Four catches last season and he was just released by the Jaguars…

  87. By DYNOOOMIGHT on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Spoiler is another arm chair coach and now an inspirational blogger, sitting high atop his soapbox eschewing critical commentary to lift his arse a little higher. Put the nose up a little more. There you go, you look puuurrfect.

  88. By Spoiler Alert on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Yup, and I look just like Titus/BE SANE/LOVE ALL BABY/DYNOOMIGHT

  89. By Spoiler Alert on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    That’s right imposter, Titus’s new name is DYNOOMIGHT. Please feel free to use anyway you want

  90. By DYNOOOMIGHT on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Spoiler is the impostor, wow, what a revelation! Like we did not know that already. Duh!

  91. By Spoiler Alert on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Titus obviously did not read my entire post. Here, I’ll re-post it for you.

    “These coaches know a lot more about how to treat young players than ANY OF US DO”

    Read it more carefuly Titus, I say the coaches know more than ANY OF US DO!

    What, you change your name and now you think you are the salt of the earth? No one sits on their soapbox as much as you do.

  92. By Spoiler Alert on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Well Titus, why don’t you cry about it some more.

  93. By DYNOOOMIGHT on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Sorry, but this ain’t Titus.

  94. By Spoiler Alert on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Yeah, I’m sure not…..you arent as clever as you think pal.

  95. By Spencer on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    God dam you guys are annoying as he||.

  96. By Roninmn.. on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Harrison Smith starts, end of story. Joe Webb is very “athletic” as they say, just not a NFL quarterback.

  97. By puckertrucker on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    to Spencer and the rest of the Viking Faithful: I don’t know if you watched the preseason game between the Ravens and Falcons, but the #2 QB on the Ravens Team, Curtis Painter played one heck of a game maybe just maybe if the Vikings Played their cards right they could Trade Leslie Frazier for Curtis Painter and a Manager to be named later, or our #3 rookie QB Our team looked just like Fraziers face Stoic. and no fire in their bellies. if this is the way we are going to play again this year get ready for the first pick in next years draft. This team couldn’t even get into the end zone. The One and Only PuckerTrucker!!!!!!!Skol Fans

  98. By DYNOOOMIGHT on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Agreed Spencer. Annoying like a fruit fly. Okay, time for football. Will the full first string defense play on Friday?

  99. By vikingbob136 on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Nothing i can say at this point that we all agree on with one exception:
    Packers suck! (releasing my anger emotion, Step 4)

  100. By Rick on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Webb sucks thats all there is too it if he didn’t have the ability to run like he does nobody would pay 12 bucks for him at qb

  101. By DYNOOOMIGHT on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Puckertrucker, I believe the Vikings are heading in the right direction, although I share your concern. Let’s at least wait until eight games into the season before making any hasty judgments against Frazier.

  102. By Spencer on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Speaking of Webb Terell Pryor is looking like a poor-mans Joe Webb right now.

  103. By Spencer on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    I predicted the Raiders to be one of my surprise teams this year because they have great team speed on offense and I thought that Carson Palmer could be an above average quarterback….boy was I wrong about Palmer. He looked turrible against the Cowboys!

  104. By DYNOOOMIGHT on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Webb played like he has most of the time with the Vikes- he’s had moments of brilliance, but usually when teams were unprepared for his running. I think he has potential and may one day still be a good quarterback but the NFL waits for no one. That new QB with ten names looked great.

  105. By Spencer on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    ^^^ Yup, that’s definitely Titus haha.

  106. By DYNOOOMIGHT on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Did anyone hear during the pregame Allen mentioning how he listens to Adele? He then giggled about it. He needs to grow that mullet back.

  107. By DYNOOOMIGHT on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Spencer, who is Titus?

  108. By Spencer on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Dynoomight- Just a random question, did you find anything annoying about Daunte Culpepper when he was our Quarterback?

  109. By DYNOOOMIGHT on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Yeah, we never won in the post season.

  110. By Spencer on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Interesting.

  111. By DYNOOOMIGHT on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Culpepper clashed with the egos of our star receivers and could not go to the next level. Too concerned with outliers and not his internal strength.

  112. By DYNOOOMIGHT on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Dropping Jeff George was one of Dennis Green’s biggest mistakes after the debacle against the Falcons in the 98 NFC Championship game.

  113. By Spencer on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    This song always puts me in the mood- Bring on the Jaguars!

  114. By DYNOOOMIGHT on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Anyone going to the game Friday night?

  115. By DYNOOMIGHT on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    One thing about Daunte, he had an arm! Randy Moss made him who he was-no question. Ponder is our proverbial “guy” at this point. I have nothing but faith in him. Mark my words, he will be an elite quarterback by the end of this season.

  116. By DYNOOOMIGHT on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Chad Johnson was let go by Miami.

  117. By DYNOOOMIGHT on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    @imposter-you missed an O in spelling, DYNOOOMIGHT. If you are going to comment under my name, I suggest you learn to spell it right.

  118. By DYNOOOMIGHT on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Me thinks the Vikings should take a look at him.

  119. By DYNOOOMIGHT on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Wow, what is up with this site? Two people just posted under my username? Are there no controls in this place? I guess three of me is okay–makes me feel important.

  120. By 8-8isgreat on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Dynooomight, nice touch. Actually I thought we won a playoff game against the Packers with Daunte at QB. I could be wrong, but am about 90% sure that he was on that team.

  121. By Packhater on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Okay–makes you feel important, funny…that is something Titus would say

  122. By DYNOOOMIGHT on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    8-8, not sure, maybe we did. But Culpepper never took us very far into the playoffs.

  123. By DYNOOOMIGHT on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    I’m not sure who this Titus person is. Yet, he seems to be a man who draws much attention. I havent met this person yet, but I think I like him.

  124. By Sir Greasy Panda on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Well Fitzpatrick does throw a lot of picks so I hope Harrison or at least one of our defensive players can get one. In the mid 2000s our defense always made huge plays. I cant remember our last pick 6 or fumble scoop and score. GET TURNOVERS!!!

  125. By 8-8isgreat on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Didnt we get to the NFC chmp game with Daunte? the 41-0 game

  126. By DYNOOOMIGHT on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    NO, that was Randal Cunningham.

  127. By Woodboat on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Nah, Deer Tracks… my boat is sailing high, brother.

    It’s obviously conjecture either way concerning whether or not Webb will be any good. I would have bet the farm that Rich Gannon would NEVER have been a decent QB based on just how horrible he was when he played for the VIkes. Maybe Webb will have the same career path. Complete GARBAGE, then get traded around the league for a few years, then get pick up by a crazy old man in a sweat suit and win a Superbowl. :p

    Your acertation that he will play this year kind of brings my down, though. For your wish to come true, C Ponder either has to get injured or play so horribly that the team has no choice but to bench him for a back-up that hasn’t been able to prove he’s ready to start in their eyes. In either case, our beloved team will have been a failure for much of the season… I can’t wish for that to happen.

  128. By DYNOOOMIGHT on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Oh, maybe you are right– Culpepper in the Giants game. No, sorry doppelganger, that was not Cunnigham.

  129. By 8-8isgreat on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Right on Woodboat. Why would anyone want to see a player play bad just so the guy they like will be put in. I used to think we had the greatest fans ever. But not with that kind of atitude

  130. By DYNOOOMIGHT on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Yep– just Googled it– Culpepper led us to a 41-0 loss to the Giants.

  131. By Sir Greasy Panda on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Webb is like Tavaris Jackson. Flashes of great play that gets everyone excited but most of the time its always a work in progress. Every season it was that T-Jack was making progress and it never happened. The ONLY reason he still has a job is because Bevell is OC in Seattle and they had NO ONE last season. Webb just cant make that turn. The coaches see him every day at QB if he really was that good he would have gotten his chance already

  132. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Let me break from character for a spell. What is it you want? I’m asking you cordially. What is it you want?

  133. By Woodboat on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Do we want Chad Johnson on this young, developing team? Uh… no.
    Plax…. hmmm….nope.

    There is virtually NO upside to bringing either of these guys on this team. There is NO way we are going to the playoffs this year, and that’s the only reason to bring in an old WR. By the time this team is good, they will be too old, and we’ll have taken snaps away from young guys that we’ll need when that time comes.

    Be happy with what have and watch these young guys develop as players and as a team. If we can get to 8-8, I’ll be pleased as punch. Heck, if we just look good losing close games, that’ll be something. Just no more blowing 20 pt leads….I can’t stomach that anymore.

  134. By Sir Greasy Panda on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Childress got rid of Culpepper, Moss TWICE and put our team in the biggest SH!T hole that led us to a 3 -13 season. I blame him for all our problems. Culpepper was a big baby but he had a cannon and was hard to take down.

  135. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Whatever-I am done with this for tonight-Let the imposter hide behind whichever name he deems fit. Good night!

  136. By Sir Greasy Panda on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Losing those first four games last season led me to an unbelievable rage. The only other thing that came close was the officiating in the 2009 championship game and our 5 turnovers.

    Heres the superbowl New Orleans have fun!!!

  137. By Woodboat on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Thanks, 8-8.

    Right on the money, Sir GP. TJack and Webb have a lot of similarities. Both want to run before they should, neither goes through their progressions properly, and both of them are plagued with inaccuracy.

    I’m not saying that Ponder is definately going to be a top notch NFL QB… but he has a lot better chance than either of the above two.

  138. By 8-8isgreat on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    I thought it was Tice that got rid of Moss. They were still wearing the old school uniforms. The Childress era started with the new uniforms. Moss never wore the new duds untill he came back a second time.

  139. By 8-8isgreat on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    What 4 games is greasypanda talking about?

  140. By Sir Greasy Panda on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    You are right. Moss went to Oakland the season before childress and then TIce got fired like an hour after the last game

  141. By Sir Greasy Panda on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Do you not remember the beginning of last season when we blew leads in each game???

  142. By Woodboat on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Culpepper had too many turnovers… and that was a double-edged sword. Not only did the turnovers effect that game, they got in his head and he wouldn’t pull the trigger out of fear of doing it again later on.

    He was a load to bring down, ala Big Ben, but it was EASY to knock the ball out of his hands. He needed to have finger extensions… smallest hands I’ve ever seen on a man his size.

  143. By 8-8isgreat on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Oh, I see what you mean. Had we won those 4 games, we would have been 7-9. Had we won the GB game in minny ( we were close) we would have been 8-8(ha, thatd be great). Had we won those first 4 games, I bet itd given the team some more momentum and maybe would have led to another win, now we were 9-7. One more win, and we were a playoff team. We were bad last year, but i dont think that our record reflected on how good of a team we had. Maybe we are closer than we think?

  144. By Woodboat on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Tice didn’t get rid of Moss, the organization did. If you remember, Tice was OBVIOUSLY against it when it went down. He looked like someone had just shot his dog when he announced it.

  145. By DYNOOOMIGHT on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Funny mentioning Tarvaris– I was thinking it, but did not want to voice it. I think Webb is better than TJack. I read a Seattle article and some blogger comments definitely showed the fans are disillusioned with TJack– they want Flynn to play.

  146. By Sir Greasy Panda on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Culpepper seems to me what Jamarcus Russell could have been but both guys had horrible attitudes.

    But the defenses on those culpepper teams always had huge plays and turnovers. In some cases they won us the game.

  147. By caliviking88 on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    i dont know if u guys saw it but i saw m. raymond shy away from tackling the ex giant running back and he almost ended up in the end zone…..andi saw erin henderson givin up a lotta stuff early on…we could b in trouble with these two

  148. By DYNOOOMIGHT on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    I want Flynn to play-he will show the world that Aaron Rodgers is not as good as people think-he is only lucky to have talent all around him.

  149. By Woodboat on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Not to be a downer, but I’m afraid what we are limited by is our coaching staff. I haven’t been impressed with Frazier or Musgrave. The new DC, well we’ll see… but the guys looked pretty bad in the first preseason game (I know it’s a poor gauge, but still…). The Special Teams coach is the only guy I really like on the upper end of the staff.

    This is a stance that I hope I get ridiculed for by week 8 and I have to eat crow.

  150. By 8-8isgreat on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    I don’t remember Daunte’s attitude problems, but I do remember that his injury is what broke him. He was never the same player after that. But he also started that season without Moss and played horribly. Randy moss was Daunte Culpepper.

  151. By Sir Greasy Panda on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    It frustrated me that Childress was sooo stuck on tavaris that he never even planned ahead IN CASE he didnt turn out. Maybe Webb is the same thing for this regime. I like Ponder a lot and I feel he is the right guy. But i dont understand why some coaches refuse to move on from some players

  152. By Woodboat on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    That’s true, Sir GP. We had some great defenses, and an OC that didn’t give a cr ap. IF Culpepper saw Moss one on one, just rare back and let er fly. Moss was amazing. Cris Carter (how the eff is he not in the Hall of Fame?) was still great and Robert Smith was awesome. AND we had an O Line!!!!

  153. By DYKNOOOMIGHT on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Culpepper is only 35– his career ended early.

  154. By Sir Greasy Panda on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    I like our coaching staff. Last year cannot count because everyone was new. Eventhough Frazier was here before it was his gig. No off season, rushed training camp, two new QBs learning the system. We lost Rice who was our outside threat, even though he doesnt play now, but we had a ton of injuries across the board.

  155. By 8-8isgreat on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    LOL, I hope you eat crow too. I actually like Frazier. Last season was such a bust with so many excuses that I’ll wait till the end of this season before making a big judgement on him.
    If the Vikings go 6-10, do we keep frazier? any takers?

  156. By Woodboat on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    I don’t think Culpepper had a bad attitude… he just lost confidence in himself. He second guessed himself so much he became ineffective. Losing Moss REALLY hurt him.

    Childress hung his star on T Jacks wagon as soone as he pushed for the team to draft him…. from a D2 school. His ego wouldn’t let him admit that he’d made a mistake.

  157. By Woodboat on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    I’m not basing my opinion of Frazier on last year… well, not entirely. I think that his Tampa 2 defense is freaking horrible. He lacks creativity. Our defense has been atrocious since Tomlin left, and it’s Leslie’s fault, primarily.

  158. By DYKNOOOMIGHT on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    If the Vikes win only six, it will depend on against who and by what margins (both on wins and losses) on whether Frazier stays. I would venture he would stay, but it would be iffy.

  159. By 8-8isgreat on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    you can probably blamr childress for a lot. he had all the power(mostly) and did not build a team for the long run. if he had, he would still be here

  160. By VegasVike on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    @ Vikeman – I don’t think there are any teams out there as high on Webb as some of our bloggers. I don’t know where he belongs, I don’t think he’s a starting QB but I don’t think he belongs on the bench either. Kinda like Tebow, a man without an identity.

  161. By Sir Greasy Panda on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    The teams that have been the most successful recently have had their coaches established for a while. We cannot turn into the Raiders. The Pats, Giants, Saints, hate to say it Packers, and Steelers have built their franchises through stability. It takes time to build a great team. Frazier needs at least 4-5 seasons

  162. By DYKNOOOMIGHT on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Woodboat, please take off the blindfold. Frazier’s defense horrible? Ha ha ha. Look at 2007-2009. Best run D in the league two years and second best in his third year.

  163. By 8-8isgreat on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    true dat- tampa two is out of date. I am under the understanding that the vikings are going to move away from cover and start inputing some more 4-3/cover 1. i did notice smith locking in on the hb more often than i’ve seen the vikings do in the past, maybe what i heard was right. wish i remember where i heard it.

  164. By Sir Greasy Panda on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    The 3 headed franchise we use to run is the problem with why our defense has declined. Childress was offensive minded and their drafts had few real players in the late rounds, not all were bad. But now we have accountability, Owner, GM, Coach. Owner pays, GM brings in the players, Coach puts all together on the field. ONE VISION, ONE PLAN. our future looks promising

  165. By Sir Greasy Panda on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    But I did notice Harrison SMith creeping up to the line of scrimmage a lot on those early plays, i didnt watch the whole game, but he seemed to be around the ball and read the play as it developed

  166. By 8-8isgreat on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    agreed greasypanda. I’d say 4, if we never get above 500, 5 if we have at least one .500 season and one above .500. if that is what heppens, then he can have a bad season in 2012, but has to be at .500 or above in 2013, to ensure a 2014

  167. By 8-8isgreat on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    right, that is showing more man coverge, smith moving in on the backs. then again tackling is is strongest asset. I’ve noticed a lot of that with this staff, schemes are made to fit the talent, opposite of what Childress did

  168. By 8-8isgreat on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    chilly wanted every player to play his game, not him gameplan to fit his players ability.

  169. By Woodboat on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Yeah, Dyknoomight… horrible.

    We had one of the top run defenses those three years, that’s true. You can read stat lines wonderfully. Congratulations.

    The REASON we had one of the top run defenses is because the other team could pass on us AT WILL.

    What was our rating in pass defense in 2007? Oh…. 32nd. I think that was the year that we played New England and they didn’t run the ball more than a handful of times the entire game… and knocked the cr ap out of us.

    It did improve to lower mediocrity the next few years.

    Having the best run defense in a passing league is dubious at best.

  170. By Sir Greasy Panda on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    from watching our DC in the press conference he has good demeanor. He talks straight and seems to have a strong personalities to lead these guys. time will tell but he seems like a no nonsense kind of guy. hopefully his attitude translates onto the field

  171. By 8-8isgreat on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    that’s right woodboat, great run D, bad pass D. That I remember. Run D is a thing of the past. That’s why our D is so bad. Our best players for the last 5 years were on the Line and at LB. We havent had a secondary since in a long, long time. Sharper had a couple of good seasons under Tice, but Denny had a bad DB corp too. Come to think of it, I don’t think the vikings have ever had a dominant DB corps. Some great players, but never more than one at a time.

  172. By Woodboat on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Yeah, SIr GP, I definately hope he fits the bill. I hope Iron Mike can get these LBs going. If Griffen gets a year under his best at LB and shows a proficiency at LB… can you imagine? He’s going to be a BEAST! That big moving that fast? Whew!

  173. By 8-8isgreat on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    He is of the Dungy school. He, Frazier, and Musgrave are all kind of have that calm cool demeanor. Then ther is the special teams coach, he has enough fire for two teams

  174. By DYKNOOOMIGHT on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Woodboat, don’t blow a gasket, relax. We are on the same side. That D was very good- we were a play away from the Superbowl in 2009 and that was not by chance. Granted the pass defense was suspect– but come on, even back to our 98 team we had issues there. And who is finally addressing the secondary as a head coach? Frazier. He has personal experience in that part of the field. Everything will be fine. 8-8 this year.

  175. By 8-8isgreat on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Frazier said they are going to leave him at DE for the rest of the season.

  176. By 8-8isgreat on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    8-8 would be great, but 10-6 would be sick

  177. By Woodboat on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Yeah… I can’t recall ever having a line up of DBs that you could be proud of.

    BUT… you don’t really need all 4 guys to be probowlers. If you have a top end CB that can shut down their best WR, the other CB can get safety help and you’ll be fine. If you get a ball hawk like Sharper in with a couple of decent CBs, well the DBs look pretty good then, too.

  178. By Woodboat on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    No worries, Dyknoomight. Just got frightened of the dark with my blinders on… :)

    Oh… and Frazier had the chance to address his effed up DB squad last year, and didn’t. Rick Spielman addressed it this year.

  179. By 8-8isgreat on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    If Smith can be the guy he was drafted to be, this year. We should be alright in the secondary with Cook at CB. He didnt play well friday, but I saw enough of what he can bring last year against mega-tron and Fitz. Actually, if some of these young guys step up, we WILL suprise some people this year…..maybe.

  180. By Sir Greasy Panda on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    The reason why I also like this regime of Spielman and Frazier is because they didnt panic and do what all of us wanted. Go out and sign every big name and try to fix everything at once. They understood the process and through their actions have calmed a majority of the fan base and let us know where the team is headed. Fix the O-line, fix the secondary, and continue to develop Ponder. These guys have made the tough decisions of letting some guys go that we were all use to and decided to go younger. New names across the board. Bold.

  181. By Sir Greasy Panda on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    This team is definitely capable of 10 wins in my opinion. We need not to be afraid of the teams in our division. If we won with T-Jack, Brad Johnson, and Gus Frerotte we can win with these guys

  182. By 8-8isgreat on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Woodboat, what did we need more though? A QB or another DB. I think Chillly really put the team between a rock and a hard place. We had neither a secondary or a QB. So either way we would have hurt last season. Let’s just keep our fingers crossed that Ponder and Smith both come to fruition for us. Then we wont have to debate this stuff anymore, we can just talk about how great our team is. wouldnt it be nice….

  183. By Woodboat on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Agreed, Sir GP.. and 8-8 for that matter. I am impressed with what Spielman has done with this roster. I definately think that we are on the right track in the long run. We won’t contend this year, and even with my misgivings about our head coach, I don’t think he should be held responsible if we suffer another losing season… too much youth and not enough time to get them formed into a cohesive unit.

    If Spielman has another off season next year like the one he just had, I believe there will be no excuse for not contending next season, assuming continued health and CPs successful development.

  184. By 8-8isgreat on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Greasypanda, I agree, I like how the regime has gone about rebuilding. We are doing it like the Packers did. As much as I hate GB, they built a very efficent team and they are a good model. it;s the old way of building a team. using the draft.

  185. By 8-8isgreat on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Good take woodboat. like i said, it all hinges on these young guys. As long as “crazy rick” can keep bringing in good talent like he has been, then we will be ok. you are right, give it another year and then start looking hard at the coach. he has to be at .500 or above at the end of 2013, or he is a gonner.

  186. By Sir Greasy Panda on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    we may not make the playoffs but we will not be the worst team in the division. In my opinion Detroit and Chicago will digress. We gave easy games to Detroit and their off the field problems will come back to bite them. Chicago has a horrible O-line and Brandon Marshall aint a game changer, good receiver and all, but nothing Cook cant handle.

  187. By Woodboat on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Last years draft, 8-8? Whew… actually, I have to admit I was fine with getting Ponder and Rudolph. We had to go QB in the 1st. I don’t have the memory about this stuff like some, but I’d have like to have seen them go OL or DB in the second, though… even though, like I said, I REALLY like Rudolph. I’d have liked to see them do something… anything… in the FA market to fix the DB squad, which they didn’t. This year.. they pick up 2 CBs that saw a lot of playing time with quality defenses in FA.

    That being said, I’ll admit when I’m talking out of both sides of my mouth. I wanted OL and DBs, but was fine with QB and TE.

  188. By Woodboat on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    You may be right, Sir GP. I don’t care for Schwartz’ act at all in Detroit. I wished that Harbaugh had laid him out on the field after their run in. :) It’s quite possible they’ll stink it up.

    Chicago… I don’t have a clue which way they’ll go. They might push for the #1 or they might push for the #4. I wouldn’t bet either way.

    The only certainty is those boys in green and gold are the head of the class this year. I think Rodgers may be the best QB in the league. I don’t know if I’d chose any active over him…

  189. By Woodboat on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Poll question:

    Favorite Vikes D Lineman of all time…

    I’m really torn between Jared Allen and John Randall….

    THey are both FREAKING AWESOME!!!!

  190. By Sir Greasy Panda on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    The draft is tricky because you may have a need but there may not be quality players at that position. We needed a QB bad, I had no idea who POnder was, I wanted Dalton.

    We have to draft for need but not just draft that position just to draft it. There are only two DBs that I remember. Patrick Peterson, who we couldnt get and Prince Amukamara. From what I hear Prince hasnt played up to his draft position as his GM called him out a few weeks ago. So yeah DB was a need but I didnt see a DB last year worth our draft spot other than Peterson

  191. By 8-8isgreat on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    LOL. right, woodboat. I agree too. We could not pass on Rudolph, and it looks like he may be a blessing for the future of the pass game. I wanted Locker last year, but after watching Ponder play GB in his starter debut. I was hooked. He made some bad decisions on the field last year, but I cant hate on him for making rookie mistakes. If friday night was any indication of how he has progressed, he will be here for a long time. getting late, nice chat!
    heres to 2012, some hope for 2013!!!
    skol!

  192. By 8-8isgreat on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    I was gonna go to bed, but have to chime in. best Vikings Dlineman of all time??
    Your torn between Allen and Randle….I’m torn between Page and Marshall. Those guys were the real deal man!

  193. By Sir Greasy Panda on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    JARED ALLEN!!!! Randall was a beast no doubt but that Mullet Beast is on another level. HISTORIC.

  194. By Woodboat on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Sure, and I get that. Like I said, I don’t have the foggiest if there was a 2nd rd talent at DB or OL available when we got Rudolph… and I think he was a steal in the 2nd.

    Oh, well… water under the bridge. Maybe Frazier has got the staff now that will get the job done. We have a group of guys that we can take some pride in and have hope that we’ll get out of the cellar shortly. There’s something to be said for being on the upswing…

  195. By 8-8isgreat on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    imagine this lineup. Allen at left, Page-and Randle in the middle (randle played there a time or two) and Marshall at right. Whoooo. no qb in the league would be safe.

  196. By Woodboat on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Sorry, I was a kid when the Purple People Eaters were running amok. I remember them, but we didn’t get to see them much out here in CA.

  197. By 8-8isgreat on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    ok, goodnight guys. good chat

  198. By Woodboat on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    THAT would be awesome 8-8. AND Randle (sorry for the earlier misspelling) lined up where ever he wanted :). He’d just go tap one of his teammates on the hip pre snap to move them over to give him room to humiliate some poor o lineman.

  199. By Woodboat on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Yup… good night, brother.

  200. By Frederick Jones on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Dante Culpepper, THE THING NO ONE SEEMS TO CONCENTRATE ON IS THE GUY HAD AN ACL AND SEVERAL OTHER CLs.

    THAT is why he was never again a great QB, that and the fact he played on the Raiders and Lions who stunk at the time.

  201. By Sir Greasy Panda on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Nice to see a good football related conversation on here for the last hour or so.

  202. By Sir Greasy Panda on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    he had character issues tho. full of himself, head case sort of, dont forget the house boat incident.

  203. By Frederick Jones on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    WOBSCHAL…

    GOOD INTERVIEW WITH PETERSON. IT WAS NICE TO BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY HEAR THE QUESTIONS FOR A CHANGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  204. By F. Smoot on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Never had an outstanding DB. Please you had an DB that covered 25% of the world.

  205. By Frederick Jones on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    @SirGreasyPanda,

    Read my post just above yours, CULPEPPER HAD SERIOUS KNEE INJURIES!!!

    An ACL has ruined many good players. Good attitude or not.

  206. By Frederick Jones on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    YOU can be a great NFL coach but get fired over lack of acquired talent. Management has to work for you to help find the talent, although guys like Dennis Green were able to find their own talent. Green was underated, he was one of the best coaches in NFL history…or my middle initial isn’t L.

  207. By Sir Greasy Panda on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    haha fred smoot, i remember that game S. Smith lit you up, think it was the same game Culpepper tore his knee

  208. By Frederick Jones on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    The Calls. The Calls.

    They usually even out by the end of the game. But it is the fan that is biased on call after call.

    Jones has sat in the stands of basketball and football games where he did not care about the result. It was comical how often the fans would complain about a call that they were WRONG about.

    It’s call bias and it makes people see things that are not there!!!

  209. By Frederick Jones on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Be Sane And Serious,

    Is this your name now?

    There must be some way you can come back without the imposter knowing it.

    This is Frederick L. Jones, and I can prove it if you want. Just ask me.
    You might have to ask me a few times, because I am not on here all the time.

  210. By Frederick Jones on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    It was good to hear from Nova!!!

  211. By Richard1A on Aug 13, 2012 | Reply

    Spoiler alert, he is a top choice, do we get suprised? he can play. I disagree with the 8-8 season……I’m hoping for unbeaten season….not one to gather in a prayer circle holding hands, praying maybe we’ll win one this year,,,,,,,grrrrrr, I’m praying for the rockem sockem knock there heads off and win type season. Well excuse me Spoiler, this just in,,,,,One of our top picks (top picks in the entire draft) is almost starting on our defense that is amongst the worse in the leaque, this is chop suey,,liver,,,we need a t-bone or porterhouse or new york strip steak to sink our teeth into!

  212. By F. Smoot on Aug 14, 2012 | Reply

    You all crazy still Daunte is a Pro Bowl player, man. He’s in a slump right now. Pitchers get in slumps like that. … There ain’t no team in the NFL counting on him to have those type of games every week. He’ll be all right, no problem.

  213. By Richard1A on Aug 14, 2012 | Reply

    Vikes need to grab up Chad Johnson, hes a great player,,,he’s probably done f-ing around, they should grab him, we could use the experience.

  214. By Meekay on Aug 14, 2012 | Reply

    Webb – 3rd string QB/1st string WR

  215. By Spencer on Aug 14, 2012 | Reply

    Chad Johnson? lol

  216. By Randy Fullerton on Aug 14, 2012 | Reply

    @ woodboat….I take it you never saw Jim Marshall—Carl Eller or Alan Page play? As good as John RanDEL, NOT RanDALL and Jared Allen are, and they were/are VERY GOOD, they are not in the same class.
    The offensive lines on just about every single team were MUCH better than the average OL today !!!!!

  217. By celticvikingwarrior on Aug 14, 2012 | Reply

    AKA: I don’t know why, after two year’s I all of a sudden have to re; enter my “info.”—”celticvikingwarrior”

  218. By RockinViking on Aug 14, 2012 | Reply

    I agree with the folks futher up the list that Joe Webb would help out the Vikings more as a Wide Receiver than a QB. We really need wide receivers BAD, and with his athletic talent he would really open up the offense. But he needs to practice as a wide receiver and not strictly QB. Sage would be a great 2nd QB for us, and Joe Webb could still be used in the wild cat every now and then.

  219. By F. Smoot on Aug 14, 2012 | Reply

    Need another WR and a CB trade for Antoine Cromartie there you go two birds with one stone.

    Just some more friendly advice from ya favorite party planner.

  220. By Rocksalt on Aug 14, 2012 | Reply

    Well, the Vikings have done a good job of showing San ran nothing in this game,,,,,,San Fran showerd the Vikings something…….260 yds rushing, ability to move the ball up and down the field, proper gaps, good tackling, stopping us on 3rd downs….Yup we sure showed those boys a whole lot of nuthin…..

  221. By sunnyazvike on Aug 14, 2012 | Reply

    Im so glad Culpepper is not getting his roll on anymore, such a stupid celebration. I have to defend Frazier, he is a real smooth coach. He saved percy from being bipolar percy. He is always talked about in high regards, and he knows how to handle the players.

  222. By sunnyazvike on Aug 14, 2012 | Reply

    I think Marvin Mitch ell played a great game, there was talk by frazier that he could push Henderson at olb. Im very excited to see this. He finishes plays. Dude has iron in his pads as well. Hope he gets in some packages this reg season.

  223. By vikingbob136 on Aug 14, 2012 | Reply

    I hear you Rocksalt Nothing to get excited about after our first preseason game.

  224. By Richard1A on Aug 14, 2012 | Reply

    Grab chad! we should be able to get him for nothing! it could pay off in the end. The contract would have to have stipulations if he does something crazy!

  225. By Vikings1 on Aug 14, 2012 | Reply

    @ Digger
    Right on, not to mention that Kevin Williams also didn’t play and Erin Henderson didn’t start. In my opinion most of the so-called fans on this site are “FAKE FANS”, who are reading to throw everyone under the bus including the coaches after 1 pre-season game, go root for another team!

  226. By Frederick Jones on Aug 14, 2012 | Reply

    Everson Griffen is always being touted as a great player. He’s had more Vikings.com blogs dedicated to him than any other player not named Harvin, Peterson, Greenway, or Allen.

    Everson Griffen should be starting, or SHUT UP!!!

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