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Great Debate: Jared Allen vs. Jason Pierre-Paul

Posted by Mike Wobschall on May 30, 2012 – 6:47 am

Last week I bemoaned the fact that CBSSports.com NFL columnist Pete Prisco left both Chad Greenway and Percy Harvin off his Top 100 NFL Players list. This week, though, I want to point out another NFL analyst’s opinion regarding a Vikings player and agree with it.

NFL.com’s Bucky Brooks took an insightful and interesting look at two of the NFL’s elite pass rushers – Vikings DE Jared Allen and NY Giants DE Jason Pierre-Paul. In his column, he asks and analyzes which of the two is a better pass rusher right now. It’s an interesting topic because both players are truly elite , and there’s an argument to be made for both.

Brooks, a former NFL player and scout who now works for the NFL-owned network and website, breaks this debate down into five categories and lists which player has the advantage in that category. He gives the edge to Pierre-Paul in athleticism, but describes Allen as “the veteran technician with the relentless motor” and gives him the edge in explosiveness, rush moves, disruption and motor.

In conclusion, Brooks gives the nod to Allen, saying: “While Pierre-Paul is only a year or so away from becoming an absolute monster on the edge, Allen is a consistent force capable of producing game-changing turnovers whenever he steps onto the field. With more than 100 sacks over eight seasons, I’m willing to take production over potential in this debate.”

Once again, you can’t go wrong having either player on your team. Allen and Pierre-Paul are in different stages of their careers, with Allen in the prime of a Hall of Fame career and Pierre-Paul two years into what appears to be an incredibly productive career. But both bring the same valuable trait to their teams – elite edge-rushing and game-changing ability from a premier position in the NFL.

I know we have a natural bias on this website, but let us know what you think about this debate by leaving your thoughts in the comments section below this entry.


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39 Responses to “Great Debate: Jared Allen vs. Jason Pierre-Paul”

  1. By OTKalil2012 on May 30, 2012 | Reply

    First !!!

  2. By OTKalil2012 on May 30, 2012 | Reply

    Allen is the best right now…

    I like how the defense is shaping up for this season…

    LB is the big question mark…But think even that will be okay…

    Like the secondary…Good to hear Winfield is back to his old self again.. ; )

  3. By Spencer on May 30, 2012 | Reply

    Im a critic of Jared Allen, but I still think hes the best DE in the game.

  4. By jim on May 30, 2012 | Reply

    without a doubt Jared gets the nod

  5. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on May 30, 2012 | Reply

    Great debate? For whom?

  6. By Parody on May 30, 2012 | Reply

    Pierre-Paul had one great year after a pretty quiet rookie year. He clearly will have a great opportunity to bypass Jared IF he is able to continue to play like he did in his second year, but that’s a big IF. Jared has still averaged 6-sacks more than him in the two years they have both played in the NFL. Therefore Jared is the better DE. He’s playing better now and is on his way to the Hall of Fame.

    Piere-Paul is a flash in the pan, (see Sidney Rice). He’ll need another couple years of top-notch performance to prove otherwise.

  7. By Parody on May 30, 2012 | Reply

    Let’s not forget that Allen has had to deal with double- and triple-teams for a long time since showing that he is one of the best DEs in the NFL, and has still produced HOF stats. I don’t know what Pierre-Paul has gone up against, but will likely see a lot more teams concentrating on him after his breakout year. We’ll have to wait and see how he deals with the extra attention.

  8. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on May 30, 2012 | Reply

    What we need is a ring for Jared. Paul already has one and he is a kid next to Allen. Hopefully AP comes back strong– I want to see both these players get a rin with the Vikings. SO disappointing to see great players not having the greatest reward. Then look what happens– Cris Carter– can anyone debate he should not be in the hall of fame? If he had one or two Superbowl rings, there is no way he would be denied this long.

  9. By Parody on May 30, 2012 | Reply

    Titus – There are apparently at least 44-people who can debate that Carter doesn’t belong, (see Hall of Fame Board of Selectors).

    You can give Jared and AP all the “rins” you want to, I just want to see them win the Super Bowl.

  10. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on May 30, 2012 | Reply

    Parody, rings and Superbowl- I thought they were synonymous.

  11. By Parody on May 30, 2012 | Reply

    Spell check Titus.

  12. By Parody on May 30, 2012 | Reply

    “I don’t think any voter cares about a typo at the end of the day,”

    Stated by a campaign spokeswoman of Mitt Romney after he published an iPhone App that gives the impression that we live in a country called “Amercia”.

  13. By Parody on May 30, 2012 | Reply

    http://www.rappler.com/world/6235-what,-no-spellcheck-romney-app-misspells-america
    .

  14. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on May 30, 2012 | Reply

    See! That is such a dumb statement. Be real. If it were my champaign- I would be honest and straightfourward– “Oh, yes, we made a mistake and spelling is important. Communication is important– we do not want any misdunderstandings so from now on, we will be more carefull.”

    Seriously– just admit the mistake and move on– I will respect you a lot more than if you bury it. Ah, politics in Amercia.

  15. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on May 30, 2012 | Reply

    Titus for President!

  16. By Parody on May 30, 2012 | Reply

    Wow Titus – That reply had too be hard for you to submit. If it were anywon else, I would’nt know weather they were joking or just plane stoopid.

  17. By Mike B. on May 30, 2012 | Reply

    Was Pierre-Paul ranked higher than Allen in the Top 100? I don’t know. If he was then the same reasoning can be applied as to how come Harvin and Greenway didn’t make the list. Team play can effect how others look at your individual play. The 2011 Vikings was a very poor team. Look at our UFAs that remain unsigned. Team performance definately effects how others look at your individual performance. If the team last year was close to make the playoffs then more than likely Harvin and Greenway make the list. I agree thought that Allen should have been the best def player in 2011.

  18. By Rogerthevikefan on May 30, 2012 | Reply

    JPP is a good player was he also works with some of the more dominating DLinemen in the league. While Allen has lost Fat Pat so now team can double him even more yet he nearly broke the sack record. Allen is the better player now and for the near future.

  19. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on May 30, 2012 | Reply

    Allen will break the all time sack record this year– with an improved secondary, Allen will have more opportunities as the opposing QB scrambles for his life. Allen will have 23-25 sacks. You heard it here first.

  20. By Shawn on May 30, 2012 | Reply

    By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on May 30, 2012 | Reply
    Great debate? For whom?

    _____________________________________________________________

    EXACTLY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  21. By Olafwithhorns on May 30, 2012 | Reply

    Having been a Vikings fan from day one, I am of course bias, however, I don’t see JPP evolving into someone remotely equal to JA. JA’s motor is always at max RPMs, his mental grasp of the game is superior, and while JA has on rare occasions run himself out of plays, JPP does it with regularity. They are both animals, but JPP will never be able to process the game like JA.

  22. By Shawn on May 30, 2012 | Reply

    Titus … will you please talk to your people at the GOP, and have them do the right thing by putting Ron Paul up. I would vote for Ron Paul.

    Obama will intellectually destroy Mitt, which will be fun to watch. However I want a President who will stop this government control of the people not another puppet.

  23. By Adam on May 30, 2012 | Reply

    Pierre-Paul was on a Super Bowl Team the same year Jared Allen was on a 3 win team with one of the worst secondary’s of all time. I would say Allen had to work much harder to look as good as he did this season as opposed to Pierre-Paul playing on the Super Bowl victor’s team. To me, this not even a contest. Jared Allen is better than Pierre-Paul in more ways than just athletically.

  24. By Shawn on May 30, 2012 | Reply

    I actually feel forced to vote for Obama …

  25. By Shawn on May 30, 2012 | Reply

    LOL I just realized … there is a Paul we should debate but its not JPP not even close

  26. By Shawn on May 30, 2012 | Reply

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  27. By Shawn on May 30, 2012 | Reply

    Asher Allen is retiring

  28. By Frederick Jones on May 30, 2012 | Reply

    @Shawn,

    I don’t know who to vote for, but I’ll listen to arguments for President of the U.S.A.

  29. By Olafwithhorns on May 30, 2012 | Reply

    Calling Obama articulate back in 08′ was an insult. It insulted every truly articulate person in the country. Psycho-emotionally, Obama is at the level of a five-year-old, and he could not debate himself out of a paper bag. Admittedly, Romney is nothing to write home about, but he should be able to dispose of the not so artful dodger.
    I do think that Ron Paul may be the only candidate with any measurable integrity and a grasp of the Constitution, but his careless mouth has allowed both parties to marginalize him.

  30. By Parody on May 30, 2012 | Reply

    “Apparantly he lost the passion to play football.”

    Not saying that I’m disappointed that he’s gone, but I’m surprised that he lost the passion so much that he’s quitting. Even guys like T.O. stick around just for the money. Granted, Asher Allen is only going to get the league minimum with any team that decides to take a shot on him, that’s still A LOT more than he’d make doing anything else.

    Whatever though. Hopefully we’ll be able to manage without him…

  31. By Parody on May 30, 2012 | Reply

    Allen was in the final year of his contract and probably in a front row for the chopping block. I had figured he was the 8th best CB on our team currently, but would not have been surprised if he made the roster.

    My guess is that Frazier told Asher that he was going to be cutting him, and Allen decided that he didn’t want to try to make another team…especially after seeing the trouble that established vets like Henderson have had finding a team this offseason.

    Now I’d like to know who the team is targeting to take the place of Allen on the roster.

  32. By bigfan1 on May 30, 2012 | Reply

    One man’s opinion but rightly so the Vikes are fortunate to have Jared, he’s the defensive monster of the NFL.

  33. By Freddie on May 31, 2012 | Reply

    When confronting a Grammar Nazi, I always say softly, “There, Their, They’re.”

  34. By Rocksalt on May 31, 2012 | Reply

    should be no debate.Allen all the way…just like the jnoke of Suggs getting DPOY……….
    Now, to our politics:
    I am troubled that in 2010, the Right -Leannig Supreme court decided that corporations and wealthy individuals could make their voices heard in the politicalk sphere by UNLIMITED $$…….What a joke this is, and yet another slap in the face to the average American voter.

  35. By vikingbob136 on May 31, 2012 | Reply

    Lets see when JPP is double teamed every play like Allen is now how great he is in his 8th year.Allen is already a border line hall of famer. 30 or so more sacks in his career and he is a sure hall of famer

  36. By puckertrucker on May 31, 2012 | Reply

    Why would anyone vote for Politician that Can not Spell America, this just goes to show you that the Republicans only have money on their minds and not America. Mitt Romney would definatelynot get the Votes of Animal Lovers everywhere, I mean why would you vote for a monster that put his Dog in a Dog Carrier and Strap it to the top of his car? this Man is a animal hater to the max. Shame on you Mitt Romney. The One and Only PuckerTrucker!!!!!!!!Skol Fans

  37. By vikingbob136 on Jun 1, 2012 | Reply

    Can we keep the discussions here related to the Vikings? Republicans, Democrats,Tea Party etc, they are all crooks.The only good politician is a dead one.I feel better now. Have a nice day everyone

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