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Vikings Offseason Program Continues At Winter Park

Posted by Mike Wobschall on May 21, 2012 – 5:58 am

The Vikings offseason program continues to move forward at Winter Park, with the final week of Phase 2 commencing on Monday. Under the new Collective Bargaining Agreement, offseason programs are divided into three phases, with each phase governed by separate restrictions and rules. From my estimation, the Vikings have seen outstanding attendance during this year’s offseason program.

Phase 3 begins next week for the Vikings and will include the first three Organized Team Activities (OTAs). The Vikings will have seven other OTAs throughout the remainder of Phase 3 and will conclude the offseason program with a mandatory minicamp in June.


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161 Responses to “Vikings Offseason Program Continues At Winter Park”

  1. By megakrab on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    FIRST!!

  2. By Spencer on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    In December 2009 there were 167 blogs written.

    So far in May 2012 there have have been 17 blogs written.

    Thats quite the discrepancy.

  3. By DeerTracks on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    Well now, We have the entire summer to set up plans for the 2012 season!

    One of the planning formatts should incude play actions of both Quarterbacks, Ponder AND Webb, as both of them will be needed this year!

    What is NOT needed, is for Frtazier to blat to the Media, just how and when each QB will be used! Just for once, Frazier try to keep theVikings Plans and Plays Secret!! Just try to keep your jaw from flapping, surprise all of us, and the enemy, on Game Day!!

  4. By Maine on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    Spencer- In May 2012 Brett Favre is not getting hunted by brutes getting paid mass amounts of money to hurt him. The vikings also did not reach the AFC championship game in May 2012.

  5. By NorthwoodsVikesFan on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    “……..And in other news, grass is still green, the Kardashians are still very annoying, and darkness will fall again tonight. Tune in tomorrow for more of the same.”

  6. By megakrab on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    NFC Championship…

  7. By Richard1A on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    Todays players are spoiled rotten, they should be out there every day. I’m hopping Frazier installs a ferocity in them that is unequaled by any of the legendary defense’s.

  8. By Frederick Jones on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    DeerTracks,

    I wish I had said what you did about the head coach exposing his plans. Mike Tice had his “Randy Ratio.” We saw how well that worked.

    Frazier should not paint himself into a corner regarding who he will play and when.
    What kind of offense or defense will we have/use? Who cares, just do it???

  9. By Frederick Jones on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    I enjoyed this graphic by Shawn, and it is one to regard highly when it comes to our Head Coach:

    By Shawn on May 5, 2012 | Reply
    coach ….. and first season
    Bud Grant …………………… 3-8-3
    Jimmy Johnson ……………. 1-15
    Chuck Knoll …………………. 1-13
    Marv Levy w/Chiefs …….. 4-12
    Marv Levy w/Bills ………… 2-5
    Bill Walsh ……………………. 2-14
    Bill Parcells …………………..3-12-1
    Bill Belichick w/Browns … 6-10
    Bill Belichick w/Patriots …. 5-11

  10. By Frederick Jones on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    Frazier started his coaching career in 1988 as the first head coach at Trinity College in Illinois, now known as Trinity International University.

    He held that position for nine seasons, built the NAIA program from the ground up and won a pair of Northern Illinois Intercollegiate Conference titles before he moved on to the University of Illinois in 1997 as the Illinois defensive back’s coach.

  11. By Frederick Jones on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    Consider getting behind our current head coach Leslie Frazier. Why, because it makes sense!!!

    Consistency is critical in the coaching profession. That is why you want to get behind our current head coach, Leslie Frazier. The following is what Bud Grant said about head coaches in a book called The Sixteenth Year:

    “If there is a shakeup, Grant said, “it usually starts with the head coach. If my job is secure and I’m not living on thin ice from game to game, then everyone around me feels a little more relaxed and can concentrate on their jobs. They’re not always worrying about what may happen to my job or their jobs.”

  12. By Frederick Jones on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    Dennis Green, like him or not was one of the best coaches in the history of the NFL, and that is also why the Vikings stuck with him about a decade! The consistency he gave the Vikings during that time put the Vikings in the Playoffs almost every year he coached them!!

    Do not blame Dennis Green for picking Demetrius Underwood (remember also that their was a GM, VP, or Personnel guy involved with that pick).

    There were also some bad 1st Round Draft picks during Bud Grant’s tenure. Remember Leo Hayden, HB out of Ohio State? No you don’t.

    Give Green credit for getting Cris Carter, Randy Moss, and Jake Reed in the lineup for many years. What would the Vikings have been without those guys?

    Dennis Green was one of the greatest NFL coaches of all time, in fact his W-L record was almost exactly the same as Lombardi’s at Green Bay!

    (This doesn’t include his Arizona record. Green also did an AMAZING job in Arizona, even though the W’s were harder to get there.)

  13. By Frederick Jones on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    Some have sad Frazier lacks fire. They said the same about Tom Landry.
    Consider this quote about Ralph Houk, long-time baseball manager:

    “I’ll tell you what kind of manager Ralph Houk was: even the guys who didn’t play liked him, which is about as big a compliment as you can pay a manager. He made you want to play for him because he was so nice and because he treated you like men. Plus Ralph was an excellent judge of talent, and he always tried to protect his players.”

    Sparky Lyle talking about Ralph Houk, MLB manager who won
    Three pennants and Two world championships for the NY Yankees.

    Isn’t this the kinds of Coach Frazier is for the Vikings?

  14. By Frederick Jones on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    Back Leslie Frazier as the MN Vikings coach. You’ll be glad you did!!!

  15. By Mike B. on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    Wobby answered the QB question pretty well. It isn’t a lack of competition at the QB position, but that Ponder is presummed to be the #1 QB with Webb as #2. Webb is going to fill in the traditional #2 QB role. This establishes whoever comes out of camp as the #1 and not have to worry about a dual QB situation or when he’s going to get pulled. I understand that others expected an increased role for Webb, but it’s just going to happened that way. I am sure there still be some wildcat plays with Webb, but probably not as many as in the past.

  16. By Mike B. on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    @Fred I need to see more before I get on the Fraizer bandwagon. So far I am not see that many good things to cast doubt away from him. I am hoping the best, but not expecting too much.

  17. By Mike B. on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    @Fred horsepoo on Dennis Green a good but not great NFL coach. He didn’t have what it took to win the big game and fell apart in Arizona. Good not Great.

  18. By Mike B. on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    @Fred holding my nose on that best NFL coach in history. something smells funny

  19. By Parody on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    Mike B – The past didn’t exactly have many. One, maybe two per game. Webb would come in, the defense would know exactly what was coming and stop it, and then we gave up on it.

    The only reason we saw so much of Webb last season was because the oline allowed Ponder to get injured. Webb did a lot better when he got into a rhythm rather than just jumping in for a play or two per game. If that’s all we’re going to do with him this year, I think we’re better off just using him as the #2 QB, and not try to “surprise” the defense with a different QB on an individual play.

  20. By Parody on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    Mike B – Fred is not completely off on Green. He put together a great team. He made a big mistake in a big game, and then we canned him for it. I think that’s very short sighted. How many other coaches could we even expect to get us to that big game? Green did a good job, and deserved a better chance to make up for that big mistake. Take a look at the “improvement” we had in head coaches since canning Green.

    Back then, I wished we had kept Green, and now with 20-20 hindsight, I wish we had even more.

  21. By Mike B. on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    @Parody I agree on using him exclusively as the #2 QB, but I was trying to give a couple some hope that he might get on the Field here and there. I think if Webb accepts the #2 QB role and Ponder stays healthy the entire season., then Webb should expect to hold the clipboard all season. I personally think it’s great we have 2 pretty good young QBs, but that Webb is the #2 guy and he will be on the sidelines. I think if Webb honestly feels he’s a #1 NFL QB he should request a trade, as this organization is behind Ponder.

  22. By Frederick Jones on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    @Mike B

    *Since when did Wobby become head coach?

  23. By Mike B. on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    @Parody Green had lost any fan support at the end of the 98 game. I know at that point I was done with him. He never regained the momentum he had after that 98 game.

  24. By Frederick Jones on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    Mike B

    Give statistics, not just your own biased opinions.

  25. By Frederick Jones on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    Wobby is not the head coach, and Green led the Vikings to more division titles than anyone other than Grant.

  26. By Frederick Jones on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    @Mike B

    Statistics, stories, facts, PLEASE!!!

  27. By Mike B. on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    @Fred He is only pointing out the same things that Fraizer has been saying all along since the end of last season. Ponder is the #1 QB and Webb is to go to a more traditional #2 QB role. I am sure that’s how it will play out unless something drastically happens during the preseason or an injury during the regular season.

  28. By Frederick Jones on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    @Mike B.,

    Yes Ponder is the #1 QB, we have known that since February 2012.

    But Wobby is not the HC.

    Green’s coaching W-L record with the Vikings was the same as that of
    Lombardi! You can’t deny that or refute it in any way. (although I’m sure you will try!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

  29. By Parody on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    Ignore it Mike B. That’s not the real Frederick Jones. The real Frederick Jones has a Q quality to his name…

  30. By Frederick Jones on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    :) :) :) Dennis Green, like him or not was one of the best coaches in the history of the NFL, and that is also why the Vikings stuck with him about a decade! The consistency he gave the Vikings during that time put the Vikings in the Playoffs almost every year he coached them!!

    Do not blame Dennis Green for picking Demetrius Underwood (remember also that their was a GM, VP, or Personnel guy involved with that pick).

    There were also some bad 1st Round Draft picks during Bud Grant’s tenure. Remember Leo Hayden, HB out of Ohio State? No you don’t.

    Give Green credit for getting Cris Carter, Randy Moss, and Jake Reed in the lineup for many years. What would the Vikings have been without those guys?

    Dennis Green was one of the greatest NFL coaches of all time, in fact his W-L record was almost exactly the same as Lombardi’s at Green Bay!

    (This doesn’t include his Arizona record. Green also did an AMAZING job in Arizona, even though the W’s were harder to get there.)

  31. By Mike B. on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    @Fred In my opinion I don’t feel that Denny Green is a great coach, but he was a good coach. . Even with his stats no NFL team is knocking on his door. That is a Fact. If he is a great coach he will be inducted in to the HOF. Until that time I say only one thing. “He are who I thought he were” Good not Great.

  32. By Frederick Jones on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    @Parody,

    You know it’s the real me. But is this the real Parody? You have developed a real mean streak in the last few months.

    It’s like I kept your daughter out too late one night, or something!!!

  33. By Frederick Jones on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    & Consider getting behind our current head coach Leslie Frazier. Why, because it makes sense!!!

    Consistency is critical in the coaching profession. That is why you want to get behind our current head coach, Leslie Frazier. The following is what Bud Grant said about head coaches in a book called The Sixteenth Year:

    “If there is a shakeup, Grant said, “it usually starts with the head coach. If my job is secure and I’m not living on thin ice from game to game, then everyone around me feels a little more relaxed and can concentrate on their jobs. They’re not always worrying about what may happen to my job or their jobs.”

  34. By Frederick Jones on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    THE POINT I AM TRYING TO MAKE IS:

    We should get behind Leslie Frazier and support his coaching staff.

    Why???

    Because it works!!!

  35. By Parody on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    Mean streak? I start trying to help you realize the ineffectiveness of your copy-paste craze, and you think I’m being mean? Whatever…some people just don’t appreciate honesty anymore.

    As far as my daughter…the problem is that you didn’t keep her out late enough. What kind of guy returns a girl at 10:00? She came home and started gabbing to me because you weren’t around anymore…and I was expecting some peace and quiet that night. You could have at least tried to have your way with her…

  36. By Frederick Jones on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    *****

    “If there is a shakeup, Grant said, “it usually starts with the head coach. If my job is secure and I’m not living on thin ice from game to game, then everyone around me feels a little more relaxed and can concentrate on their jobs. They’re not always worrying about what may happen to my job or their jobs.”

  37. By SHA on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    BRING BACK CHAMP HENSON!!

  38. By Frederick Jones on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    @Parody,

    Okay…LOL!!!

  39. By Mike B. on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    I am not backing Fraizer until I see some results on the football field. So far I have seen lots of mistakes and not much improvement by Fraizer. The draft has some positives but the jury is out if their is significant improvement by this youth movement. I think they should bring back EJ Henderson, so that there is some leadership availible for this backfield. I am not saying EJ should start, but he can be a player leader and an example for these young guys. What they did to Longwell was not classy at all. Getting rid of McKinney may have been the right move, but without a planned replacement. Sorry not getting behind that not yet anyway.

  40. By Carl K on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    Frederick-
    I enjoyed Shawns list too. But if you noticed, none of those coaches have more than 15 loses at the time things started to get better. Right now, Frazier has a 6-16 record. After this year, he could join the list above, or he could join the list below, or he could find a fate somewhere in between.

    Here is “my” list of the top 5 “worst” NFL head coaches since 2000.
    1. Cam Cameron – 1-15 Miami 2007. (18-37 as a college head coach)
    2. Marty Mornhinweg – 5-27 Detroit 2001-2002
    3. Rod Marinelli – 10-38 Detroit 2006-2008
    4. Jim Zorn – 12-20 Washington 2008-2009
    5. Dave Campo – 15-33 Cleveland 2003-2004

  41. By Mike B. on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    @Fred where are your nfl stats to say we should get behind Fraizer. It sure isn’t his win-loss ration as a head coach.

  42. By Frederick Jones on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    @Mike B,

    We need to get over ourselves a little bit here. The Vikings also lost their first super bowl because the team wasn’t ready for the Chiefs. I could have blamed that loss on Grant.

    But Grant, like Green helped get us to those big games. Both coaches won a lot of games. At what point were those losses under Green Cris Carter’s fault. Randall McDaniel? Randall Cunningham? Randy Moss? etc.

    We need to get beyond these emotional “big game” losses and see the big picture.

    Mike I don’t expect you to change your mind, but at least pepper your argument with some facts to chew on!

  43. By purpleman527 on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    Why haven’t the Vikings signed any of their draft picks yet?

    If I’m wrong about that, please fill me in.

  44. By VegasVike on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    @ Megakrab, I doubt we’ll reack the AFC Championship either lol.

  45. By SHA on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    Lots of good comments on coaches!
    I think Frazier is an ok coach, but watching him along the sidelines without ever expressing any “spit and fire” is troublesome. And, I wonder how competent the whole coaching staff is when they study film every day and don”t seem to notice that Webb holds the ball out at arms length from his body when he is being chased. Also, I don’t think is always the best policy for a head coach to hire other coaches just because they play golf together or spend holidays together.

  46. By Frederick Jones on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    Carl K, Mike B,

    I was a coach for many years, so this is an emotional issue for me. Fans are overly critical of the coach consistently game after game. Even when the coach’s team wins they are critical.

    Incidently those are facts. The short bio I did on Frazier contains several facts, and all of my comments contain logic.

    I don’t just say I hate this slimey coach!

    Use logic, statistics, facts, stories to support your arguments. PLEASE!

    @Carl K., Usually I agree with you, but if you become a coach hater, then I will have to agree to disagree with you.

  47. By Frederick Jones on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    @Sha,,

    Good comments. Too many for me to elaborate on.

    As far as the spit and fire, there have been many successful coaches who did not spit or fire.

    Tom Landry
    Bud Grant
    Tony Dungy
    etc.

  48. By Frederick Jones on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    The coaches have noticed Joe Webb holding the ball out as he is being chased. I guarantee they have, and will continue to work with him on that.

    Many of the things you see players do that are frustrating, also frustrate coaches!!!

  49. By Mike B. on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    @Fred The vikings team of 98 was probably one of the greatest Vikings teams of all time. Dennis Green let the Falcons back in the game after we had them well beat. He didn’t do as Belichick would have dominate the falcons. We should have ran up the score on the Falcons before resting our players. Dennis Green’s folly is to let the Falcons back in the game and let it be decided by a field goal. In my opinion that alone keeps him from being great. I am not saying he didn’t do some good things with the vikings esp. after the Herchel Walker debacle. I don’t even see Jerry Burns as a great coach just due to the Walker thing. Burns has his name posted in the stadium and I don’t think he’s all that great.

  50. By Carl K on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    Frederick-
    Head coaches win games because PLAYERS believe in their leader’s teaching and vision …
    FANS gain confedence in head coaches when the players win games.
    Very simple.

    My support means little at this point unless the players buy into what the coaches are teaching!!!!

    The players must also have a disire to win. I love the fact the Childs and Wright have aways been winners and expect to win and play well at the NFL level.

    That is what gains my support. Winning! Making plays! Finishing games!
    That is what I am expecting this year.

  51. By Frederick Jones on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    @Carl K.,

    Jimmy Johnson was 1-15 his first year with the Cowboys. He won big time shortly afterwards. 6-16 sounds pretty good compared to that!!!

  52. By Parody on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    purpleman527 – I thought you were wrong, so I looked it up and apparantly you are right:

    http://www.spotrac.com/draft-tracker/nfl/minnesota-vikings/

    This site shows the contracts that every team has signed with their draftees. The Vikings are one of a handful of teams to have no action yet. The Jaguars are another, as are the Cowboys – but the Cowboys have a salary cap issue that they need to work out, so their inaction is understandable. The Saints are also in this category, but with all that has been going on this year, who would want to be a Saint right now? Even Drew Brees is looking like he wants to leave. The Raiders and Rams also have no action, which I can’t explain.

    Most other teams have signed a majority of their picks, with only the early rounders still waiting to finalize their contracts.

  53. By Frederick Jones on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    @Mike B.

    Dennis Green did not play a single down versus the Falcons.

    In 1969 the Vikings were favored in the Super Bowl by AT LEAST 13 points.
    The 98 team had nothing on the 1969 team!!!

  54. By Frederick Jones on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    Carl K.

    Fans influence players.
    Ever heard of the 12th man in Seattle?

  55. By Frederick Jones on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    The season hasn’t even started, and yet some fans already hate the coaches, and certain quarterbacks!

    That is LOSING attitude!!!

  56. By Frederick Jones on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    The 1975 team has been considered by some as the Vikings best team.

    The lost on the “Hail Mary” play.

    Why don’t we blame Bud Grant for that loss?

    1. He is white.
    2. He was the first Vikings coach to win a title.
    3. He is white
    4. Admit it, and don’t flip me a race card!!!

  57. By Frederick Jones on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    See it’s okay to like a black running back or wide receiver. But when it comes to QB or Head Coach, OH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoo!!!

  58. By Parody on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    12th Man in Seattle – why would we care? We have a better version of that in MN! I recall the Metrodome being charted as the loudest stadium in the NFL.

  59. By Mike B. on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    @Fred Your making excuses for Green and the same ones used for Fraizer last year. Belichick would have took the Falcons to the woodshed with the 98 team and beaten the Falcons 70-7. Green let the other team back in the game by his decision making thinking they had the game won at the half. He should have been more aggressive and dominated the team. You know where you can stick your comment about Losing attitude.

  60. By Carl K on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    Frederick- I am not a coach hater. I understand how difficult of a job it is… even great coaches get fired.

    I love your passion for the coaching position. I have said many times Frazier will turn this thing around!

    Unfortunately, head coaches in the NFL are expected to win..

    Frazier needs to win 4 games! Am I asking too much? How is that hating on him?????

  61. By Parody on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    Fred – You’re begging for the race card!

    As I recall, Childress had a brighter pigment to his skin, and even after winning two consecutive division titles the majority of Vikings fans hated him. Explain that one with your race justification…

  62. By DeerTracks on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    Parody

    You say Webb was put in as QB only because the Oline allowed Ponder to get injured?

    Webb had the same Oline, Why wasn’t Webb hauled off the field also?

    Kalli better protect Webb, the same as he will for Ponder, Myself and others will be watching him—

  63. By Mike B. on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    It’s not hating it’s being realistic from observing performance so to say we are hating is inexcusable. When or If Fraizer turns this team around then I will be backing him. I need to see more from him before I can back him. The organiztion is already backing or he wouldn’t still be the head coach. Even Fraizer understands he need to improve and said it many times. Just because we don’t agree with you Fred doesn’t mean we are against the team or hating anyone. It means we need to see some more before we can get behind them.

  64. By Mike B. on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    @DeerTracks that’s assuming Webb will even get to play QB all season which is possible he won’t.

  65. By Mike B. on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    @ Fred stop pulling the race card on this blog that is uncalled for.

  66. By Parody on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    DeerTracks – Do you really need me to spell that out for you? Webb is a freak athelete. He has the ability to run the ball better than Vick or Tebow. He also was much more apt to give up on the pass and run the ball when the oline caved. On the other hand, Ponder kept on trying to find receivers. These are big reasons for why Webb was able to remain healthy while Ponder took a beating behind the same line.

  67. By Mike B. on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    I didn’t like Jerry Burns, Jeff George, Troy Williams due to their attitude and performance. has nothing to do with race. To pull the race card on this is unexceptable.

  68. By Carl K on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    Yes, a strong fan base is very important to players… I agree, but the heart and fight “inside” a player is what makes a true champion, NOT the 12th man. sorry.

    Frederick, it is ok to disagree with me… I respect your position and opinion.
    Don’t change brother!

  69. By Shawn on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    The problem with Dennis Green was he ignored defense. My memory seems to say our defense got worse over Greens time in MN. He seemed to always try and find another undrafted undersized gem ala John Randle.

  70. By Shawn on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    Fred Jones I think you dont want Ponder to start because your racist.

  71. By Spencer on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    One thing is certain- this pre-season will be exciting. Hopefully we unleash Joe Webb.

  72. By Mike B. on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    @Spencer You haven’t been reading It’s very possible Joe Webb maybe carring the clipboard all season.

  73. By Parody on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    Mike B – He said pre-season. Pre-season is the time where you get to see all of the backups playing for at least half the time in each game. That means Joe Webb should get a lot of looks.

  74. By Mike B. on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    @Shawn I don’t think some realize it’s just as wrong for others to be racists against white as it is for white to be racists against others. In any situation or any race it is just wrong. My opinion on Dennis Green or Joe Webb had nothing to do with his race. Fred pulling the card is just as racists as if one of us said we disliked a player due to his race. This in my opinion makes Fred a suspect source as he is always going to point out players or coaches in a positive light due to race and ignore external reasons why they are or aren’t great or are or aren’t starting players.

  75. By Mike B. on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    @Parody Thanks and yes in that case Spencer you’re spot on I am sorry.

  76. By RWF1984 on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    @ Dennis Green Chat – Green was a good coach! If it were not for the Korey Stringer death, he may have been the Vikings coach for a lot longer. Shoot, he may still be the coach today depending on what the Wilf’s prefer! I support Frazier and think he will be a good coach. They just need to find better talent in the OC and a new defensive scheme (IMO). I don’t like the OC because of his track record and some of questionable calls. I will give him credit for being a little bit better than Childress. As Vikings fans we should know that the ’09 season Favre was basically our OC because the offense never moved as good when Childress or Bevall calling the plays pre-Farve! I just hope that I am wrong about the OC and that a whole offseason w.Ponder will make a big difference! The DC, I hope can prove me wrong about this Cover 2/Tampa 2 scheme because ever since it was put in, it always seems like QB’s of today tear apart the zone coverage’s. Since ’06 the Vikings had far less great or good defensive games in the secondary. Some times they did great against top QB’s just to turn around and give mediocre QB’a their best games! But Frazier I believe is the Vikings coach for the long term!

  77. By Carl K on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    McLeod Bethel-Thompson might be in a good spot to see preseason action at QB.
    The Vikings will be very vanilla in preseason and not showcase any thing new. Why risk injury to Ponder or Webb? So with no real QB competition, I see Ponder and Webb somewhat limited in playing time. The Vikings already know what Sage can do.

    McLeod, find your helmet and get your arm loose…

  78. By DeerTracks on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    Parody

    I guess you told Mike B. where the Bear $hit in the Buckwheat!

    I hope nothing happens to Ponder, but in the most likely event that it will, then you will see Joe Webb do his stuff!

    That is why he IS the Backup QB! Then Joe can handoff the clipboard to Rosy!

  79. By NorthwoodsVikesFan on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    I would think that the Vikings are going to wait for a while before starting to sign new players. They have 47 returning veterans – not all of which may make the final roster, but the majority will.

    We have 10 new draft picks that have to prove they can do something at the NFL level. We have 12 new rookie FAs that have to do the same. We have 10 new FAs signed from other teams that have to prove they can be productive in a Viking jersey. Add in the 4 college try-outs who impressed enough to sign a tentative 1-yr deal, and the 6 pre-draft signees.

    What it adds up to is 40 or so new athletes that have to show they deserve a spot on the team. Signing the unproven rookies right now might be a bit premature (except we should get Kalil nailed down ASAP).

  80. By Spencer on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    The Detroit Lions organization is just a joke.

    Titus Young just got been banned from OTA’s for sucker punching his teammate Louis Delmas.

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/21/lions-ban-titus-young-from-otas-for-sucker-punching-louis-delmas/

  81. By Frederick Jones on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    This one says it all. If this were true Head Coaches would all be at least 6-4 and 300 pounds. Sorry Mike it don’t not never eva woke dat way!

    By Mike B. on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    @Fred Your making excuses for Green and the same ones used for Fraizer last year. Belichick would have took the Falcons to the woodshed with the 98 team and beaten the Falcons 70-7. Green let the other team back in the game by his decision making thinking they had the game won at the half. He should have been more aggressive and dominated the team. You know where you can stick your comment about Losing attitude.

  82. By Frederick Jones on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    @Mike B.,

    You have to admit we are entertaining the rest of the bloggers!

  83. By Frederick Jones on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    Ranking the Vikings Head Coaches:

    1. Bud Grant
    2. Dennis Green
    3. ?

  84. By Mike B. on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    @Fred
    1.Bud Grant
    2 Dennis Green
    3 Norm Van Brocklin
    4.Jerry Burns
    5.Brad Childress
    6.Mike Tice
    7. Lesie Frazier
    8. Les Steckel (Phew)

    so we aren’t that far from agreement Fred.

  85. By Frederick Jones on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    Mike B.,

    Good top ten. We both just like to argue!

    Notice that the best coaches on your list were the ones that stayed the longest (almost in the exact order).

    So whatever the problems people have with Leslie, they have to get over them for the good of the team. That does not mean you come out with flags that say Leslie on them! lol

  86. By Frederick Jones on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    I remember feeling that the Vikings should have won SB IV. But the bigger game was the NFL title game versus the Cleveland Browns.

    But they sure had their chances in those four super bowls, yet no one pointed the finger at Grant.

    Denny Green is often blamed for the 1998 NFC title game (which was the only game I saw all season, if you can believe it – I saw a quarter here and there).
    Maybe because the game was so close, and they did let the Falcons back in the game.

  87. By Viking-ology on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    All I want is to see improvement from last year (anything should be an improvement) lets hope we see some great leaps in a positive direction. Magic number is 7 wins minumum.

  88. By Mike B. on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    @Fred Agreed

  89. By purple blood on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    Can’t we all just get along !

  90. By Spencer on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    Why hasnt Jared Allen, the “leader” of the defense shown up at all this off-season?

  91. By Parody on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    Because Allen is not the leader of the defense. He’s a fan favorite. Greenway has been listed as the defense’s biggest leader.

  92. By Carl K on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    Frederick/Mike
    Bleacher report has both Brad Childress and Mike Tice listed in the top 50 worst coaches of all time.

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/869108-50-worst-nfl-coaches-of-all-time

    Les Steckel didn’t make the list… maybe they didn’t even consider him a coach?

  93. By Spencer on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    Parody- who do you think is the heart and soul of the defense and the offense?

  94. By Parody on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    Spencer – “Heart and Soul” of the team is something quite different from a leader, and because I’m never on the field with the team, I can only postulate on that answer. Jared Allen, Kevin Williams, and Antoine Winfield all have the type of personality that I think could qualify on defense. Adrian Peterson appears to be the easy choice for the offense, but I wouldn’t rule out Harvin either.

  95. By Carl K on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    Spencer- I don’t think phase 2 of the offseason program is mandatory for veterans like J Allen.

    However, Micheal Jenkins, should be working out with the team/trainers to recover from his knee injury. Much like what Toby Gerhart is doing.

    Maybe I missed it, but did Wobby explain all the details of the offseason phases? What the rules and restrictions are and what activities players can or should participate in?

    All I know is that once camps starts, players are limited on access to the weight room and facilities at Winter Park. Now is the best time to take advantage of the weight room and training staff.

  96. By Mike B. on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    @Carl K That’s probably why we have not been so good for so long. 1 NFC championship game in a decade. not so good.

  97. By Mike B. on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    I think that AP had the leadership role for the offense now that Kliensasser is retired. Defense I would have to thing Jerad is now that EJ is not resigned. I am sure Winfield and Williams provide leadership also. I liked the role B-Rob put in last year keeping positive and was a good influence during camp.

  98. By Mike B. on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    Les Steckel had some success as an OC in the Oliers/Titans organization, but you really didn’t hear much about him.

  99. By SAN JOSE VIKINGS!!!! on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    BUILD A SHIP IN THE NEW STADIUM!!!!!GO VIKES!

  100. By Spencer on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    Chris Cooks “worst” game

  101. By Hotcarlgiver on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    Five steps to a decent season:
    1. Ponder steps up into the top fifteen qbs.
    2. Frasiers coaches are less predictable(more dynamic) with the play calling. Last year was awful with that.
    3. We open the season with some wins.
    4. Our secondary performs well.
    5. Our new kicker doesn’t doom us.
    I know I’m stating the obvious, what do you guys think are the biggest keys to turning this thing around?

  102. By iaVIKE on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    Gotta keep the offense on the field longer. The D was gassed after the first quarter of every game last year

  103. By Spencer on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    Josh Robinson with the Viking shirt and hat= Swag!

  104. By Parody on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    So how will the new stadium be named? It seems a foregone conclusion that some company will buy naming rights, but could we still get in a base name for it, (like Mall of America Field @ the Hubert H. Humphrey Metrodome did)? Something that sounds cool and screams Vikings?? Valhalla Stadium just sounds too perfect to pass up.

    Let’s get the word out to Ziggy that we want the Vikings to play in Valhalla!

  105. By Spencer on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    Five steps to a decent season

    1. Improved o-line play.
    2. WR’s gotta make plays
    3. The secondary must step up.
    4. Ponder has got to make better decisions.
    5. Finally,the team must play FOUR Quarters of football for f-ck sake!

  106. By Parody on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    Yea Spencer…he really looks thrilled to be wearing that…

  107. By Spencer on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    LOL!!!!

  108. By Parody on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    Spencer – 1 proposed edit to #4:

    1. Improved o-line play.
    2. WR’s gotta make plays
    3. The secondary must step up.
    4. Ponder has got to make decisions quicker.
    5. Finally,the team must play FOUR Quarters of football for fück’s sake!

    I think that he did fine with the decisions that he made last year, but he had trouble when he took too long to make his decisions, often getting sacked rather than committing to a receiver. Obviously, he often didn’t have any time to make a decision because the line wasn’t protecting him, but even that could be improved by making pre-snap reads and deciding on a quick outlet for when the line underperforms.

  109. By Parody on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    Okay, I added a small edit to #5 too. I figure it just doesn’t make sense to try to hide something so obvious.

  110. By Troutdaddy on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    @ Fred and Mike B- I really like your responses on here. Been reading you both for a long time. Good insights. Good regular bloggers here- much appreciates. Just my opinion, but I don’t think bringing up the race issue adds to anything here? Bud Grant being white and not getting blamed for the SB loss…. Wouldn’t have mattered. His coaching spoke for itself- regardless of race. I totally disagree with calling you a racist- that is not true- but bringing up race in any situation is an excuse for the specific actions of a specific coach or player. race has nothing to do with that. It is based on ability and skill- nothing else. On the top 10 Viking coaches- I don’t think you can even place Frazier on that list yet until after this year. Way too soon to make that call. The last year was really a bad thing to guage any success on. I really felt that Frazier did his best to coach in a very difficult situation- the whole McNabb thing was just a fiasco in many people’s eyes but it did have a good outcome in the fact we were able to identify more holes and needs. As far as coaching goes, the Vikings are truly going to be under the magnifying glass in 2012. I think Frazier will have this year as a make-or-break test for him even though this is a rebuilding year. He must produce. I think he knows it too. As far as him not being a “Spit-fire” coach- I think the fans/players are just wanting to see more emotion from him. They want him to do more than stare. I know that this is his personality type, but he needs to be aware of the shadow he is casting. If he is too calm and collected, it comes across as being indifferent or inconfident and the fans/players do not need that going into 2012. I for one would love to see him do a little fist pumping or hand clapping or a little one-on-one with key players during games to motivate.Childress was another one who had the same blank stare on his face the whole time and lost respect of the fan-base/players because he could not and would not “Coach-in-the-moment” Being a dynamic coach means that you aren’t afraid to mix it up and be willing to change your approach to fit the needs and mood of your team. If he can’t do this, then you will see the fans screaming for a change after this year. Personally, I think he has it in him to be one of the best coaches we have had, but it is really up to him as to how he wants people to percieve him. Melancholly is not going to cut it…. What do you both think? I say Frazier- get on your horse and go and don’t look back…. I bleed purple…. Nuf said…

  111. By Spencer on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    Troutdaddy- you have this awful habit of typing novels with just a single paragraph..

  112. By Spencer on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    Parody- What you guys say about Webb is the same thing that happened to Ponder. Once teams got game tape of him his quarterback play dramatically went down.

  113. By Parody on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    To those of you who dislike the fact that Frazier doesn’t lay out his emotions for the camera on gameday, would you rather have a guy like Tom Coughlin on our sidelines? He always looks confused and dumbfounded, even when his team does something good!

    I think this one occurred after Manning threw a TD to Manningham:

  114. By Matthias on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    He doesn’t look happy… (Josh Robinson)

  115. By Spencer on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    Ponder, the 12th pick in 201, needs to play better than the 199th pick from 2010 before naming him the starter. Have a fair/open competition for one of the most important spots before GIVING him anything. If his ego is too fragile to handle the competition, that should tell you volumes about his mental toughness or lack there of. Go Vikes!

  116. By Mike B. on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    @ troutdaddy I would agree Frazier should show more emotion on the sidelines. I too hope that he becomes the coach Fred had said he can be. I just need to see some improvement to get on the bandwagon.

  117. By Mike B. on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    @Spence what you talking about.

  118. By KoN on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    Spencer, that is at least somewhat true for all players. The difference is that, while Ponder’s production dropped when teams had film on him, he still played like a starting QB in the NFL. Whereas, in the five games that Webb has played a majority of the snaps, he has thrown 1 TD, rushed for 3 while throwing 5 INTs and losing 1 fumble.

  119. By Spencer on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    Joe Webb- Look to this as Motivation

  120. By KoN on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    I don’t understand why people care if a coach shows emotion. Trust me, head coaches are always focused completely on the game. The amount of emotion that they show doesn’t mean anything. Bill Belichick is not a good coach because he shows emotion, he is a good coach because he is smart and has a very deep understanding of his opponents and the game.

  121. By Carl K on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    spencer/parody
    I propose we add line 6 for Fred.

    6. The 12th man needs to step it up with a better attitude. Coach haters (me) need to get with the program and stand by this team unconditionally.

    I promise to all Viking Nation… I can do better, I can carry this team to victory.
    I will join forces with Fred – side by side as the 12th man – and we will win.

  122. By Sixkings on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    That term is used by neo nazis

  123. By SUPERVIKINGMAN on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    There is plenty of time to sign draft picks. I’m sure the plan is to sign them all before Camp. Buncha worry warts.

  124. By iaVIKE on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    Couldn’t care less what a coaches facial expressions look like if he gets us a couple of SB wins

  125. By TITUS THE GREAT on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    Best coaches:

    Grant
    Green
    Childress

  126. By SUPERVIKINGMAN on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    Note to Wobby. U are entitled to your opinion and please state it as long as u make it clear that it’s in your opinion. Otherwise, opinion has no place in reporting. NONE.
    Blogs are for leisure and time wasters. Nobody should be looking for facts in a gossip column. The only thing certain about Joe Webb is he needs to be in the game. It sickened me to think there were times in game situations that he could have been on the field. Coaches need to make it happen. The Randy ratio was just a fabrication to explain the importance of getting the ball to Moss… there was no scheme developed to make it happen. It was based on performance and past play, not current game planning. It was a just a toy for the media to publicize and overblow. Tice was laughing the entire time. I’ve already had enuff of the bounty talk. A liittle too late. Anybody that saw those hits on Favre knew something should be done but nothing was during the game when it counts so what does it matter now? Spilled milk.

  127. By SUPERVIKINGMAN on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    Want to have a better season? Improve the defensive secondary and convert on third downs. This is the same thing everybody was saying last season and it still holds true. Of course, AP needs to fully recover, the offensive line needs to block and receivers need to hold onto the ball. Ponder needs to remain cool and collected and the defensive line needs to sustain a consistent rush. Improved special team play wouldn’t hurt and depending on a rookie kicker may or may not be taking a huge risk. Then again, we all know Longwell was history and they may pick up a vet kicker before camp starts. Other than this, we’re fine.

  128. By Frederick Jones on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    @Titus,

    I’m surprised you picked Childress for your 3rd best coach. In the words of an elite sportscaster, “I’m not sure” that I would have chosen Jerry Burns for the third best Vikings Coach.

    What is your best time in the 50 mile bike?

  129. By Frederick Jones on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    @Carl K,

    Mostly I have found you to be a sensible blogger, so if you say a coach needs to improve something…then that idea has merit.

    That doesn’t mean that I won’t blast you for it in my true Jonesy style! lol

  130. By Frederick Jones on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    I think that I stepped on Spencer and Mike B., more than a little.

    I wish I hadn’t

  131. By NovaScotiaVike on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    Nova’s offseason program continues to move forward at summer cottage….each weekend starting with bbq, broads and booze……Soon I’ll be in mid-season form….

  132. By NovaScotiaVike on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    Every day i lift weights…12 ozs. at a time.

  133. By NovaScotiaVike on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    If the topics of these blogs get any more boring, some Hollywood producer might make a reality show out of it.

  134. By Carl K on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    Frederick-
    I am not really sure what to suggest to change about Frazier?? I think being a good coach has more to do with vision and knowledge than about personality traits or skin color.

    The sky is the limit for Frazier.

  135. By NovaScotiaVike on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    Next year will tell for Frazier and Ponder.

  136. By Spencer on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    Its all good Fred, I dont hold grudges.

  137. By Ihatethepackers! on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    OMG, you guys all need a life and a girlfriend ASAP. I mean, I like the vikes as much as the next guy (ok maybe not as much as Larry Spooner), but I can find better things to do than sit and blog for hours. Although, it is funny seeing what some of you bafoons write, so nevermind. Keep up the bafoonery, you morons. It’s rather entertaining.

  138. By Ihatethepackers! on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    Spencer is a candyass!

  139. By Ihatethepackers! on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    grudge that philly boy!

  140. By Ihatethepackers! on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    Ok, I didnt mean that. Your ok Spencer, a little opinonated on subjects you don’t know much about, but entertaining nonetheless

  141. By NovaScotiaVike on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    Did you mean “buffoon” ?

  142. By Spencer on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    Lol. Spot on!!

  143. By TITUS THE GREAT on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    Fred, I am a terror on hills and accelerating on a dime– and endurance. Overall speed- not so concerned with. I have done three rides in the 70plus mile range this Spring– still have not had a day when I can do 100. But that is about to change.

  144. By TITUS THE GREAT on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    Fred–And when I say can– I mean all conditions are right– weather, schedule, etc. I know I can do at least 100 in a day right now — our easy winter made that possible.

  145. By VegasVike on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    Top three coaches

    1. Grant
    2. Green

  146. By NovaScotiaVike on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    Titus, we use kilometers up here……How many centipedes is 100 miles?

  147. By Frederick Jones on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    Spencer… good video on Stephen A.

    I thought that other guy on the program (the one that likes Tebow) was the most outlandish dude on TV. But Stephen A. tops him.

  148. By Frederick Jones on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    @Titus,

    According to what my brother has told me it is the little guys that do well on the uphills. So you must be the size of a small wide receiver. Am I right?

    No I am not 6’6″ 330′ like the typical OLineman.

  149. By TITUS THE GREAT on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    100 miles is around 161kilometers– sorry Nova.

  150. By GrandDaddyPurp on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    Top three Vikings coaches
    1. Bud Grant
    2. Mike Tomlin
    3. Tony Dungy

  151. By TITUS THE GREAT on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    Top three Vikings HEAD coaches:

    Bud Grant
    Dennis Green
    Brad Childress

  152. By TITUS THE GREAT on May 21, 2012 | Reply

    Top three Bloggers:

    Spencer
    Fred Jones
    Nova

  153. By puckertrucker on May 22, 2012 | Reply

    Now that the Stadium bill has been signed by the Gov. The 2012 draft is over the Vikes got the players they really wanted. The Vikings should hire a consultant to try and teach Frazier, and his Offensive Coordinator, his Deffensive Coordinator annd all his other Coaching Staff how to Coach with Fire in their Bellies and pass that on to the Players. In otherwords put FIRE and DESIRE into the new and old Vikings Players this is something that has been lacking in our team since Denny Green Coached the Team. If Leslie Frazier and the rest of his Staff can’t get that Fire and Desire into their Bellies, Fire them and Get a Coach Like Steve Marriucci, Denny Green, or even the Coach from Oregon University Chip Kelly. Oregon Ducks Teams play fast and they play hard. So did the Niners, and the Vikings of Old. Hey Frazier Go to the Archives and watch the Old Vikings Films and see the Desire and Fire in their Bellies. Remember the Old Purple People Eaters, Develop the Defense into the New Purple People Eaters. So Mark and Ziggy if you want a championship team get FIRE and DESIRE into your Coaches and Team. Also one last point why not try and bring in Brett Favre as your new QBs Coach, it couldn’t hurt. The One and Only PuckerTrucker!!!!!!!!Skol Fans

  154. By NorthwoodsVikesFan on May 22, 2012 | Reply

    5 steps to victory:

    5. O-line provides 4 seconds of protection before a defender comes close to our QB.
    4. SOMEONE on the D-line besides Jared Allen touches the other team’s QB more than twice a game.
    3. Our kick coverage stops the ball carrier before the 20 yard line.
    2. Our OC comes up with more than 3 plays in his game plan.
    1. Our secondary STOPS DROPPING FUHKING INTERCEPTIONS!!!!!!

  155. By Hotcarlgiver on May 22, 2012 | Reply

    Top three Vikings coaches:
    1. Pain.
    2. Disappointment.
    3. Revenge.

  156. By Hotcarlgiver on May 22, 2012 | Reply

    Nova, you might want to mix up your workouts with some bloody Mary’s, you don’t want to peak too soon.

  157. By Troutdaddy on May 22, 2012 | Reply

    @Spencer- The reason my post is long is that I do not have time ti visit the blog 20 times per day. I am here in the morning (to get my quick fix) and rather than post NUMEROUS times, I GET R DONE in one moment of clarity. I hope that is ok with you? If not, that is too dang bad…get used to it. Quality over quantity my friend. I truly wish I had more time to “Chat” with the regulars here, but I do not. So- you give me my large paragraph per day and I will give you your 76 posts per day, deal? Keep bleeding purple…. Nuf said.

  158. By Frederick Jones on May 22, 2012 | Reply

    @Titus,

    You must mean the top three bloggers in their own minds!

  159. By RichardA1 on May 22, 2012 | Reply

    I agree with puckertrucker, hire Favre for his motivation ability.

  160. By NorthwoodsVikesFan on May 23, 2012 | Reply

    Nah…the guy can’t even sell jeans.

  161. By Brad Childress' Mustache on May 25, 2012 | Reply

    I like Leslie Frazier. And I thought it was an inspired hire by the Wilfs. And while his first season was a disappointment, I put little stress behind it for many reasons. (Lockout, lots of new players and coaches, bad roster, etc) But if we see some improvement this year, a la Childress’ second year, I think he’ll have done a good job. And I think we’ll have much reason to be hopeful.

    The thing is, we hated Childress because of his seeming offensive inflexibility and uninspired play calling. Not to mention, he married himself to the horrific Tavares “Piece of Clay” Jackson and this sealed his fate as a guy we loved to hate. Let’s face it, he worked overtime to earn our wrath. But I was glad to see that Frazier got himself an offensive coordinator with some pedigree. Musgrave is a known quantity, a guy who actually called plays (for the Falcons) and was considered progressive in the vertical game. So that struck me as a good move; Frazier saw enough of Childress’ micromanaging to know that he needed a sharp offensive mind, someone he could defer to and trust with the offense. But we can’t judge Coach Frazier now. Like the NFL draft, we’ll have to see a few years down the line if he’s a winner.

    Another thing I like about Frazier is that he played the game. Not only that, he played at a high level and won a Super Bowl as a player. He, also, coached on a Super Bowl winning team. (Childress did neither.) He, also, comes across as very humble and soft spoken. And where ti might not work for some, it works for him. I think he has the players respect and they want to win for him. I for one am hopeful and actually believe, compared to how I felt when the Wilf’s hired Childress – that we have a great chance to win with him.

    As far as racism goes, I do think it exists overtly and subconsciously, and yes unfortunately in some of the minds of the knuckleheads who post here. I, also, believe that the notion of reverse racism is ridiculous and is born out of the brains of the feeble minded.

    This being said, I don’t know if you could mount any kind of evidence to suggest that the way we feel about Dennis Green vs. Bud Grant has a racist element. For one thing, Grant got us ti 4 super Bowls. And two, as someone alluded above, we hated Childress (but not his mustache of course) even as his records progressed each year and nearly got us to the Super Bowl.

    This being said, I do think that a substantial amount of people in this country hate our President because of his skin color, though many of them frame or countenance their disgust in his political moves. (Their just so transparent; most of them can’t articulate / understand economic policy let alone have an accurate and honest historical timeline that exists beyond what has happened since Obama has taken office. But they know they know Obama is bad!”) I mean people hated Clinton, but the hatred of Obama is far more palpable.

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