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Hightlights From Peterson’s Knee Rehab Update

Posted by Mike Wobschall on May 14, 2012 – 6:23 am

Last week’s news cycle was dominated by Vikings stadium discussion, and rightfully so given the importance of that issue and the extremely positive result that ultimately transpired. Somewhat lost in that discussion, though, was the update Vikings RB Adrian Peterson and Head Athletic Trainer Eric Sugarman provided late in the week.

And while Sugarman stressed that the team would be cautious in bringing Peterson back so as to not compromise his health in order to get him back on the field in fast order, the overall tone of the update was positive.

We covered the update from top to bottom on vikings.com. But just in case you missed all or some of it, here’s what happened…

Video highlights of Peterson’s workout
Peterson’s press conference following the workout
NFL Network’s Michael Irvin sits down with Peterson
Quotes from Peterson and Sugarman following Peterson’s workout


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234 Responses to “Hightlights From Peterson’s Knee Rehab Update”

  1. By DeerTracks on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    OK, first at the time I began this here post.

    I Hope the new Stadium won’t be the same as the old Metro-Dome..The following is how the the History Channel described the old Metro-Dome—

    Metro-Dome; a Gaint Teflon coated baggie, which requres 250,000 cubic feet of air per mintue to keep it inflated…….Builded in 1981, it is the Worlds largest, muti-use air supported stadium in the world!

  2. By Spencer on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Toby Gerhart will rush for over 900yards.

  3. By DeerTracks on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    I also have been watching some of my Vikings games, I taped..

    One of my favorite games is the Vikings–Green Bay game of 1 November, 2009, played at GreenBay, Favre, Peterson, Harvin, Jerod Allen, were all up[ to playing the way we all like to see great players perform!

    Favre got knocked around a bit, but always kept going, which brings up another remark on our quarterterbacks, Ponder is no Favre, if he gets pounded into the turf, like Favre was, he won’t be bouncing back up quite as quick. Neither will Joe Webb, However, I think Webb can stand the pounding much better then Ponder!

    Find a way to play BOTH QB’s!

  4. By DeerTracks on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Thats “Buildt” in 1981—

  5. By DRS on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Good job on the rehab Adrian Peterson, all I will say is do not over do it, we need you at 100% when you do return.

  6. By DRS on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Peterson: ‘Stay away from the negative because the devil is at work’
    Posted by: Dan Wiederer under Vikings, Adrian Peterson Updated: May 10, 2012 – 11:40 AM

    And if you’re not Petersoned out after all that, then you may want to tune into the NFL Network tonight at 6 p.m. where Peterson’s one-on-one interview with Michael Irvin will air. Peterson and Irvin spent a significant amount of time visiting Wednesday afternoon and discussed, among other things, the initial agony of suffering a torn ACL and the mental hump that needed to be cleared to start the rehab process on a positive note.

    “It was brutal,” Peterson told Irvin. “It was brutal for me and it was a challenge. Coming from being the best at your position and what you do to reality, and the reality at that point was you basically have to start from scratch. Waking up from surgery and seeing all of the muscles I have built over the years and years of working gone just like that. Mentally that was a blow for me. But rather quickly I was able to get my mind right and get it together, and stay away from the negative because the devil is at work. He’s going to do everything to bring you down. I fought him, even though there were times where I still struggled and questioned, ‘Why me, why me?’ I ultimately got to the point where I accepted it for what it was and said this is what I need to do to get back to the regular and normal Adrian Peterson – not even that, even better.”

    http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/blogs/150967425.html

  7. By DRS on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Vikings ‘going to try’ for retractable roof

    By Jon Krawczynski
    The Associated Press
    Posted May 11, 2012

    They appear to be leaning toward footing the bill for a retractable roof, which could help them bring a Major League Soccer franchise to Minnesota. They also see a stadium and plaza with cutting-edge technology and lots of open spaces for fans to congregate.

    “We’re going to try to get the maximum number of features within the budgets that we can make this a facility that is going to be exciting to the fans,” Mark Wilf said Friday. “We know it’s a competitive landscape to attract our fans to the facility and we’re going to want to make it something special To the extent that (a retractable roof) can get there, we’re going to try to do it.”

    http://min.scout.com/2/1185808.html?refid=400

  8. By NorthwoodsVikesFan on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    That’s “built” in 1981…

  9. By DRS on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Oh-yaw, outdoor football, a combination of the Old Met and the Metrodome but even better.

  10. By DRS on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Wilf’s, let’s get the retractable roof and it will be a terrific day indeed.

  11. By DRS on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    BA-ROOOOO, BA-ROOOOO.

  12. By DRS on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    SKOL VIKINGS!

  13. By DRS on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Minnesota Vikings’ new stadium to have retractable roof?

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d829074de/article/minnesota-vikings-new-stadium-to-have-retractable-roof

  14. By DRS on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Vikings reach preliminary agreement to use TCF Bank StadiumAssociated Press

    Published: May 10, 2012 at 10:07 p.m. Updated: May 11, 2012 at 04:56 p.m

    The University of Minnesota’s Board of Regents has approved an agreement with the Minnesota Vikings that allows the use of TCF Bank Stadium during the NFL team’s construction of its new stadium.

    The board unanimously approved the letter of intent on Friday. It is non-binding, but sets the parameters that university President Eric Kaler and the Vikings can use to develop a lease agreement.

    The Vikings will pay the university $250,000 for each game. The letter states the Vikings can play all their home games on Sunday and host one night game during the week per season.

    The Vikings hope to open their stadium in 2016. Owner Mark Wilf says the Vikings are hoping to only play the 2015 season on campus but “it very well may be two” seasons.

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82903736/article/vikings-reach-preliminary-agreement-to-use-tcf-bank-stadium

  15. By DRS on May 14, 2012 | Reply

  16. By DRS on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Have to take my little one to school so have fun.

  17. By Mike B. on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    I am thinking that the cost of a retractable roof will become too high a cost for the Wilfs to bear. The issue is not just adding the roof mechanics. It is the drainage and type of field required for the roof. All these cost have to be covered by the Wilfs alone as agreed to during the debate in the Senate. Bringing in a MLS may infact cover the cost of the roof, but when the final cost could be too high. The cost of the roof at Lucas Oil Stadium was over 10 percent of the total cost of the stadium. It has been opened 30 times since 2008 and and 13 of 27 Colts home games. There weather is not as severe as Minneapolis. I don’t think it is cost effective to build a retractable roof. If it was mild the entire season yes but they are not going to have an Ice Bowl in a 1B dollar stadium. Let’s be real guys.

  18. By Mike B. on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    The source I read the cost to bring the stadium back to 68 degrees for indoor events is very high. so there is no way you are going to see below freezing temps in the new stadium. It’s just too expensive.

  19. By NorthwoodsVikesFan on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Mike B hit the nail on the head. This should be an all or nothing proposition – either build an open air stadium and deal with the elements, or put the roof on.

  20. By Frederick Jones on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Peterson has a ways to go to be ready for the 2012 season. But as young as he is, and with the new medical procedures, he may be ready for the season. He is also used to success, that helps a lot!!!

  21. By DRS on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Everyone the retractable roof is for the great days when the weather is perfect for football, yes there will be no ice bowl and/or mud bowl like the old met, there is way more good days during the football seas in Minnesota then you would think, I lived in Minnesota from 1962 to 1981, yes there are cold and blizzards, that would be when the roof would be closed, even if the roof is closed most of the time it would be nice to play in the open air on the good days, with the wind currents affecting the play, the real grass giving the Vikings a advantage, with the roof closed in the bad weather there would be little need for and hefty drainage system, so I think the retractable roof would be a good investment.

  22. By DRS on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Sorry that should have been season not seas.

  23. By Frederick Jones on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    NO ONE doubts that QB is the most important position in football. What I am proving is that the team one plays on makes the quarterback, and not the other way around:

    The other ten players on the team make the quarterback. Yes, he still must make the throws, and the decisions, but there are many, many QBs that might have made it except for the team they played for, didn’t have enough talent on the field. Jamarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf, Tim Couch, etc.

    You may argue that the great ones of Montana, Tarkenton, Marino, would not have made it if their team was as bad as the Saints, and Patriots of the late 1960′s and early 1970′s.

    Joe Willie Gilliam was another one. Great skills, bad team.

    It is a myth that the QB makes the team great. The truth is it is the team that makes the QB great. You can’t have one without the other!

  24. By Frederick Jones on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    The Pittsburgh Steelers drafted Johnny Unitas in 1955. They never played him.

    The Steelers were 4-8 that year. Is it possible or even probable that Unitas, if he had not been picked up by the Baltimore Colts, would have never played in the NFL?

    Would Bart Starr, an average Quarterback, have ever been a HOF QB if Vince Lombardi hadn’t taken over the Packers in 1959?

    How many QBs sat on the bench, or never played in the NFL, and yet were as good as Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, and etc. I say quite a few.

  25. By Frederick Jones on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    It is a myth that the QB makes his team great. It is more likely that the team he plays for, makes the QB great!!!

    IT IS NOT ALL ABOUT THE QUARTERBACK, THAT IS MEDIA SENSATIONALISM!!!

  26. By DRS on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    I think with AP’s drive we will see him back in play by week 2 or week 3. Maybe the Vikings will be forced to be a better team while he is out, they will need to be more than just a running team, they will need to improve their receivers, especially on the deep routes, they need to become a well rounded team on the offense and defense, not depending on one or two men to get the job done.

  27. By DRS on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    When the other team knows you are going to run and you have nothing of a deep threat, they know all they need to do is put 8 men on or near the line to stop you, that is what happened last year, the Vikings need to become a passing team with great runners to become SB contenders once more, having a great defense once more will seal the deal.

  28. By Mike B. on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    @Fred I agree it takes more than the QB to make a team great, but the QB is the leader of the Offense. As leader, he takes the plays and deterimines how they should be done. So they media maybe reporting more on the QB than ohter position, but that’s what happens to leaders. They get the glory when things are good and catch the most heck when it is bad. If you have a great team you can with Super Bowls with a less than spectacular QB. He does need to be a leader. Example Brad Johnson at Tampa or Farve with his early superbowl win. They had great teams around them. Most of the talk though was on the Coach or QB and since they are the leaders this is correct. The main reason Ponder is ahead of Webb is that he is a better leader and shows how to excute the game plan better than Webb.

  29. By DRS on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Well I have to go for now, have a great day.

  30. By Frederick Jones on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    @DRS,

    That is all true about packing the box on Peterson last season.

  31. By Mike B. on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    If you are only opening the roof for games from Aug to Sept is it really a cost benefit to add it to your stadium. If they could get a MLS team going in MN is the only reason I can see for adding a retractable roof. I would not add one just for football.

  32. By Frederick Jones on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    DeerTracks is right about being prepared to play both QBs next season. The QB is very fragile in the NFL. The days of playing a man 16 straight weeks at the position are all but gone in the NFL.

  33. By Mike B. on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    BTW Fred what is your point to the blog. That the media over hypes the QB position? He’s the leader of the offense, so it reasonable that he would get more hype.

  34. By Frederick Jones on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    :) NO ONE doubts that QB is the most important position in football. What I am proving is that the team one plays on makes the QB, and not the other way around!

    The other ten players on the team make the quarterback. Yes, he still must make the throws, and the decisions, but there are many, many QBs that might have made it except for the team they played for, didn’t have enough talent on the field. Jamarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf, Tim Couch, etc.

    You may argue that the great ones of Montana, Tarkenton, Marino, would not have made it if their team was as bad as the Saints, and Patriots of the late 1960′s and early 1970′s.

    Joe Willie Gilliam was another one. Great skills, bad team.
    It is a myth that the QB makes the team great. The truth is it is the team that makes the QB great. You can’t have one without the other!

    The Pittsburgh Steelers drafted Johnny Unitas in 1955. They never played him.
    The Steelers were 4-8 that year. Is it possible or even probable that Unitas, if he had not been picked up by the Baltimore Colts, would have never played in the NFL?

    Would Bart Starr, an average Quarterback, have ever been a HOF QB if Vince Lombardi hadn’t taken over the Packers in 1959?
    How many QBs sat on the bench, or never played in the NFL, and yet were as good as Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, and etc. I say quite a few.

    It is a myth that the QB makes his team great. It is more likely that the team he plays for, makes the QB great!!!

    IT IS NOT ALL ABOUT THE QUARTERBACK, THAT IS MEDIA SENSATIONALISM!!!

  35. By DRS on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Mike B. You are correct about that and the Wilf’s want a pro-soccer team, so that is why I think there will be an retractable roof, and I know for sure I would come back to Minnesota to see a game in such a stadium, even if it is in Minneapolis MN. Really have to go for now.

    Have a great day.

  36. By Frederick Jones on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    @Mike B.,

    My mission is to wipe out ignorance.

    Too many people believe the media hype that it is all about the quarterback. The good things we see happen on a football field, have more to do with the 11 working together than the 1 man making a play!!!

    But you knew that. Thank you for being the first to answer my post!

  37. By DRS on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Frederick Jones, I sort of answered your post when I posted,

    I think with AP’s drive we will see him back in play by week 2 or week 3. Maybe the Vikings will be forced to be a better team while he is out, they will need to be more than just a running team, they will need to improve their receivers, especially on the deep routes, they need to become a well rounded team on the offense and defense, not depending on one or two men to get the job done.

    Have to run, have a great day.

  38. By Mike B. on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    The one thing I will add and it has directly to do with the RB position. I think Fraizer made a mistake last year, when he said we are a run first team. This give the other teams the advantage knowing how we were going to attack them offensive/y. Since we built around AP, we became one dimensional and this is another mistake by Fraizer. The team can focus on the run, but must use the passing game to keep other teams way from the OL. The weakness of our OL and the fact that the WR we had just couldn’t get the job done, so we became as one dimensional as our game plan. Harvin is a good WR, but he doesn’t bring fear into any teams secondary and the same with the rest. We have yet to get that WR on the team to make the other teams secondary respect if need be we can p@ss to win games.

  39. By viking Mike on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    You don’t need a great QB if you have a great D. The Bucs won a Super Bowl with Trent Dilfer and Baltimore has been great without great QB play. The problem is that the Vikings are an average D so they need more than a game manager. And only time will tell what Ponder is. Some people want Webb because he is a game changer but I’m not sure he’s a game manager. The greats do both. Lets hope Ponder is both and Peterson makes a full recovery with no set backs.

  40. By NorthwoodsVikesFan on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Webb has some amazing talent, that is for sure, but he wouldn’t have had as much success if the other team game-planned against HIM instead of preparing all week for Ponder.

  41. By Mike B. on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    @Viking Mike the last Superbow win for the Bucs was the battle of the two ex Vikings QBs Brad Johnson and Rich Ganon. Where does Trent Dilfer come in? Oh I looked it up Trent Dilfer won the Superbowl when he played for the Ravens. The Ravens have had middle of the road QBs but great defense so what you say is true. Although the Ravens have only made one superbowl apperance.

  42. By Shawn on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    B/R predicts the final 53 …

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1182251-predicting-the-final-minnesota-vikings-2012-53-man-roster

  43. By Troutdaddy on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    @ Mike B and Fredrick Jones:

    So, do you think that Ponder as the Qb is going to be the solution to getting our offense firing on all cylinders? Is he going to be a “Steve Young” or a Fran Tarkenton” type QB? I am curious as to what you think. I for one and really tired of many of the nay-sayers out there that have continually thrown him under the bus. I am very excited to see what this kid can do this year. He has a great arm- some said he doesn’t have big arm strength- but I think that is way off. He can throw a long ball just fine- he just needs the time to throw it. My prediction is that by week 6, people are going to be saying OMG- who is this Ponder kid??? I think we will see his QB rating VASTLY improve just because of the options he has now- which I think proves just what you both have been saying- that the Team shapes the QB into being that Amazing QB. The QB does not make the team great. He runs the plays, but the rest of the offense is what allows him to shine. The media can hype all they want about how the QB makes the team, but anyone who has played understands that is not the case- he ust gets most of the credit. Ponder deserves to do well. He is a great person and athelete and I for one wish him all of the success in the world! I Bleed Purple…. Nuf Said!

  44. By iaVIKE on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Troutdaddy – Couldn’t agree more about Ponder!

    Barooooo

  45. By DeerTracks on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    NothwoodsVikes fan

    That is why we need to play BOTH ‘QB’s!

  46. By NorthwoodsVikesFan on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Tracks, what other teams have been successful with tag-team QBs?

  47. By Mike B. on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    @Deertracks I think it’s a mistake to use dual QBs it causes conflicting leader issues with the team. I think Ponder has the skill set to be a successful NFL QB and possibly be one of the great QBs in the League. Webb is a great athlete, but not a great QB. He is in my opinion a good #2 QB and as long as he is fine in that position the Vikings should use him in that role. It would be a coaching mistake to try to use him as a co QB. If Webb thinks he is a #1 QB, then he should request a trade as I don’t think the Vikings will use him in that role. If Ponder was to not pan out, the Vikings would be looking again for their future QB. Webb is not it. That’s my opinion.

  48. By Mike B. on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    I know there are others that liked TJack and Webb, but there is a reason they are no longer with the Vikings or playing backup. They are not good enough. At the start of this season I predict TJack will be the #2 or #3 QB in seattle if not released.

  49. By NorthwoodsVikesFan on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    With the splash QB Bethel-Thompson is making in camp, perhaps it’s time to re-think having Webb compete as a dedicated WR????

  50. By iaVIKE on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Wish they would do that Northwoods, but Frazier already put the end to it a couple of months ago

  51. By Spencer on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    In regards to this whole Joe Webb thing, I believe Shawn says it best..

    By Shawn on Dec 28, 2010 | Reply

    WHAT TO EXPECT FROM JOE WEBB?
    A WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    ———————————————————————————–

    http://blog.vikings.com/2010/12/28/webb-finesses-vikings-to-17-7-lead/#comments

  52. By iaVIKE on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    I wanna know who will be returning kicks/punts when 09/09 rolls around…

  53. By Spencer on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    My money is on Jairus Wright or Josh Robinson.

  54. By DeerTracks on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Mike B

    Can not play dual QB’s? The Team wouldn’t stand behind both?

    What do you call Webb coming in for an injured Ponder?

    The “Team” played just great for Webb, and still would lay it out for Ponder..

  55. By DeerTracks on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    NorthWoods, Webb is NOT a WR! He is a QUARTERBACK!

    As you and all the Anti-Webb people will find out this year, When Ponder is dug up out of the turf! The Vikings already are up to ther ears in “WR’s!

  56. By DRS on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Gov. Dayton signs stadium bill
    Video by: Shari L. Gross Updated: May 14, 2012 – 2:11 PM
    Now that Gov. Mark Dayton has signed the stadium bill, he and Vikings owner Zygi Wilf say the hard work now begins.

    http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/151416145.html

  57. By DeerTracks on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Nor5thwoods,

    Right back to you, nam e the teams that have had two QB’s playing in the same game, non-injury.

  58. By KoN on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Spencer, it’s fine if you think Webb is a better QB than Ponder (although I personally do not believe that), but you can’t just make things up. We have only won one out of five games where Webb has played a majority of the snaps. That does not sound like a winner to me. I’m not trying to say Joe Webb is bad, but to claim that all he does is win is ridiculous.

  59. By Spencer on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Has anybody noticed that nobody on the team wears a visor for their facemask?

  60. By DRS on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Vikings sign Tyler Holmes, waive Kris Adams
    Posted by: Dan Wiederer under Vikings Updated: May 14, 2012 – 12:06 PM

    The Vikings have announced the signing of Tyler Holmes, a rookie guard out of Tulsa. To make room on the roster, the team has waived receiver Kris Adams.

    Adams joined the Vikings’ practice squad in the final month of 2011 and later signed a reserve/future contract, which allowed him to take part in the team’s offseason conditioning program as well as rookie mini-camp.

    Holmes, meanwhile, went undrafted last month. He is 6-foot-5 and 308 pounds. His father, Richard, is a former standout in the Canadian Football League. And Holmes himself was drafted in the first round of the CFL Draft last year by Toronto but opted to stay in school for another year and finish his career at Tulsa. Now he’ll give things a go with the Vikings.

    http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/151400005.html

  61. By iaVIKE on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    I thought Ev Griffen did sometimes?

  62. By Spencer on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Im talking about current Viking players.

    Cook wore a visor his entire rookie year, but ditched it the next year.

  63. By DRS on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Vikings Stadium From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    On May 10, 2012, the Minnesota Legislature approved funding for a new Vikings stadium on that site. The project is projected to have a $975 million price tag, with the Vikings covering $477 million, the state covering $348 million, and $150 million covered by a hospitality tax in Minneapolis. The deal is currently pending the signature of Dayton, as well as the approval of the Minneapolis City Council, which is all but assured.[31] The Vikings will play in the Metrodome through at least the 2013 season, and perhaps into the 2014 season, as construction would not require the immediate demolition of the Metrodome. The Vikings will then move to TCF Bank Stadium until the new stadium is complete.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikings_Stadium

  64. By Spencer on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    iaVike- my bad, I thought you meant Ced Griffin for some reason.

  65. By DRS on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    One down, one to go.

  66. By Frederick Jones on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    @KoN,

    We have to get away from the QB being considered the same as a baseball pitcher. A pitcher does not depend on his team the way a QB depends on his teammates.

    Besides, Ponder and McNabb also lost most of their Vikings games.

    Joe Webb (and Ponder) have incredible potential as quarterbacks. As DeerTracks said we are up to our ears in WRs!!! Why put Joe out there?

  67. By GrandDaddyPurp on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Ive said it before Joe Webb only plays good when he steps in during a game when the opposing team had a week to prepare for a different QB. When teams had a week to prepare for Webb he didnt show up.

  68. By viking Mike on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Mike B thanks for the Trent Dilfer clarification. I like Ponder. He shows maturity and leadership. Nobody is great when they have to run for there life all the time. The line should be improved so we should find out soon how good Ponder will be.

  69. By GrandDaddyPurp on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    The teams contain him and make him throw the ball which is something Webb has not yet proven he can do accurately and consistently.

  70. By DRS on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Dayton’s signature will set Vikings stadium prepapartions in motion
    by Tim Nelson, Minnesota Public Radio
    May 14, 2012

    But even before a contractor is chosen, the stadium has one more vote to win: The Minneapolis City Council will have to sign off on the tax shift that funds the city’s $150 million share of the project’s financing, as well as $7.5 million in annual upkeep.

    The council approved the deal in a 7 to 6 preliminary vote last month. But 9th Ward council member Gary Schiff says he’s still against it.

    “The city council is being given a take it or leave it package, and we have not been allowed to negotiate any of the details, and I think that is probably the worse part of all. There’s no room for anybody to stand up and advocate for a better deal for city taxpayers,” he said.

    Minneapolis Mayor R.T. Rybak said a full council vote is likely May 25, although it could be earlier.

    http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2012/05/14/vikings-stadium-bill-signing/

  71. By KoN on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    I agree Fred, I am simply pointing out the fact that Spencer is calling Webb a winner when there is no evidence to support it. According to last year, none of our QBs were winners.
    BTW, I also agree that the QB can only be good if he’s surrounded by good players.

  72. By Frederick Jones on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    @GrandDaddyPurp,

    When did Joe Webb have a bad game at QB?

    His Blazer package didn’t do well, but they would run a play or two, and then not ever try it again!!!

  73. By GrandDaddyPurp on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Despite all the pressure Ponder had in the pocket he still made accurate throws. He could use improvement in his arm strength but his accuracy gives him the edge over Webb. Add Kalil to protect his blindside and a pair of Arkansas receivers and I see Ponder as our franchise QB.

    Remember you can not be an Arkansas receiver if you are not a great route runner. The ability to run routes is huge and much needed in our west coast offense. Look for Wright and Childs to be solid contributers for us this season and for many seasons to come.

  74. By GrandDaddyPurp on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Fred Im talking about the games he either started or came in and filled in for an injured QB. I’m not talking about the games he only came in for that stupid blazer package.

  75. By DRS on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Please call and E-Mail the Minneapolis city council to show your support for the Vikings.

  76. By Frederick Jones on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    @GrandDaddy,

    When did Joe have a bad game at QB?

  77. By iaVIKE on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Fred – Webb started the last game of 2010 against Detroit. It was bad

  78. By GrandDaddyPurp on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    last game of 2010 AND the last game of 2011. Terrible games by Webb.

  79. By DRS on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Official Website of the City of Minneapolis

    http://www.ci.minneapolis.mn.us/council/

  80. By GrandDaddyPurp on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    The game against the Lions that he almost brought us back. He came in for Ponder after the other team had a week to prepare for Ponder not Webb.

  81. By iaVIKE on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    20-32 145 yards 0 TD 1 Int – last game of 2010

  82. By Spencer on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Nobody plays hard in meaningless Week 17 games.

  83. By Frederick Jones on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Wait a minute Purp and Ia….

    I saw both of those games, and Joe was dominant, especially against Detroit this year. Only a bad call cost the Vikings in that game, or Joe Webb would have scored the winning TD on a spectacular play!!

  84. By Frederick Jones on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Even Archie Manning had games worse than that!!!

  85. By iaVIKE on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Fred you’re thinking this last year. I said 2010…

  86. By KoN on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Webb played a majority of the snaps in the last three games of the 2010 season, he threw 3 INTs and not a single TD (although he did run for 2). Against Chicago this year he threw two INTs and no TDs. SO yes he has had bad games.

  87. By GrandDaddyPurp on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    After the Lions had a week to prepare for Ponder not Webb.

  88. By DRS on May 14, 2012 | Reply

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  89. By GrandDaddyPurp on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Its an ILLUSION. The ONLY good games Webb has had is when he steps in for an injured QB after the other team had a full week to prepare for the QB that Webb replaced.

  90. By Frederick Jones on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    If one of you said Joe Webb came out and threw 3 interceptions and fumbled, then you would have something.

    Joe Webb is the ONLY guy I have ever seen (including A. Peterson) who makes the opposing defenses look like LITTLE BOYS!!!

    Joe Webb is something special, and the Vikings are lucky to have him.

  91. By iaVIKE on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    I don’t disagree with you Fred, he is a freak athlete. But he’s not our franchise QB

  92. By GrandDaddyPurp on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Lets contain Webb, dont let him scramble make him throw. Thats all you have to do because Webb is not accurate CONSISTENTLY. Ponder can run lets contain him, guess what Ponder CAN stay in the pocket and make accurate throw and he is just as accurate throwing on the run. Webb might have a stronger arm but in a West Coast offense such as ours accuracy is more important than how far you can throw a football.

  93. By Frederick Jones on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Joe did have a 200 yard throwing, and 100 yard running game. Throwing 3 ints in 3 games is actually pretty good. PEYTON MANNING does that, boys!!

  94. By GrandDaddyPurp on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    iaVike- agreed thats the point I am trying to make.

  95. By GrandDaddyPurp on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    We are wasting Joe Webb’s talent. He is too good an athlete to be a backup QB.

  96. By Frederick Jones on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Joe Webb has an accurate, strong arm!!! He knows when to add touch, and showed that many times in 2010, and 2011.

    Don’t turn that dial when Webb’s quarterbacking!!!

  97. By Frederick Jones on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Wow, this could be a three hour argument! To be continued!

  98. By KoN on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Fred, that’s true, but Paeyton also throws TDs over that time period, Webb did not.

  99. By DRS on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    I am sitting here reading all the post about Web V. Ponder, this guy V. that guy, the thought occurs to me, are people liking Web because he is Black, and do people like Ponder because he is white, or do they really like the players because of their abilities?

  100. By KoN on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    I agree with GDP and iavike, Webb is a great football player and a great athlete. I just have a hard time finding a position at which he is more skilled than what we have in front of him.

  101. By GrandDaddyPurp on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    If Webb is as good a QB as some of you are making him out to be, We would have drafted our franchise LT Nate Soldier to protect Webb’s blindside instead of taking Ponder which many including myself thought was a reach at pick #12. Ponder is a better QB and Webb is the better all around athlete. There is a reason we took Ponder in the 1st round and why Joe Webb fell to us in the SEVENTH round.

  102. By Spencer on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    If we would have just drafted Ryan Mallet instead of Ponder we wouldnt be having this discussion.

  103. By KoN on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    DRS, that’s just dumb. I grade players based on what I see out of them, not the color of their skin. Adrian Peterson and Jared Allen are my two favorite Vikings on the team right now. Race doesn’t matter; skill and attitude do.

  104. By iaVIKE on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Do you not think after last year that we looked at all options at QB? Our staff has had a couple of years to look at Webb, and they obviously do not think that he can be a consistant starter in the NFL. I like Webb, and would be happy if he is our backup for a long time, but this is CP’s team

  105. By GrandDaddyPurp on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    DRS- is it a coincidence the Webb is the better athlete and is black? Is it a coincidence that Ponder is more of a prototypical NFL quarterback and he is white?
    My answer. Thats all it is a coincidence and Ill just eave it at that.

  106. By GrandDaddyPurp on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    If Webb was a franchise QB we wouldnt be having this dicussion either Spencer. But he isnt and we are.

  107. By KoN on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Why is that Spence?

  108. By Mike B. on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    @All Joe Webb is our backup QB for a reason. He doesn’t throw well and doesn’t take time to look down all the receiver options before taking off. He has had the benefit of coming in games to replace a starting QB. He is a tremendous athlete, but he is not a starting QB in the NFL. Coach Fraizer has repeated that statement over and over again. If you want to see Webb as a regular start it probably won’t be with the Vikings. Ponder is the QB of the future for the Vikings. Webb would be interim at best if Ponder doesn’t have the stuff. That’s the story everyone another failed Childress experiement like TJack.

  109. By VegasVike on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Ponder is a “team” QB, he uses a team plan and the players to try and win the game…
    Webb is more of a “Favre” type of QB, a QB that puts the team on his shoulders to win the game, and tries to win it himself. But Webb ain’t Farve.
    VegasVike pops his head out and sees his shadow, 5 more months of no football…

  110. By Spencer on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    DRS- chill, I dont judge players based on race.

    Case in point:

    Players Ive defended: Toby,E.Griffin, Cook.

    Players I criticized: Va$hitte Shianco, Ryan Shortwell, AP, and Jared Allen.

  111. By Spencer on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    KoN- Ive always felt that Ryan Mallet will become a good/great QB.

    I dont feel that way about Ponder..

  112. By iaVIKE on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    How do you fell about Locker? We would have taken him if Tennessee didn’t

  113. By iaVIKE on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    feel*

  114. By Spencer on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Jake Locker will be a stud- dam near beat the Saints in his 1st start.

  115. By KoN on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Fair enough Spence, I believe Ponder has the ability to become a great QB, but maybe that is just blind optimism.

  116. By GrandDaddyPurp on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Every player has the ability to be great.

  117. By KoN on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Spence, do you remember who d@mn near beat the Packers last year in his first start? I can’t quite recall his name.

  118. By iaVIKE on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Ponder damm near beat our most hated rivals in his first start.

  119. By DRS on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    KoN, that is great that you see the abilities as I do, I just know some do not, some cannot see beyond color, and that is too bad, discrimination is a two way highway, and it is in the back of my mind when I read some of the post I read, some seam to back black all the time and others back white, I find that to be interesting. To me it is the player’s ability that I take into consideration before backing them. To me either Wed or Ponder will make a great QB and both will contribute to the Vikings because they are team makes and will do their jobs when called on.

  120. By iaVIKE on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Well put KoN, wouldn’t have said that if i saw you posted it

  121. By GrandDaddyPurp on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    We dont need Ponder to play like Brady or Rodgers or Brees for us to be successful.

  122. By Spencer on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Jake Lockers game winning drive attempt got to the Saints 2 yrd line.

    Ponder didnt even cross our 45..

  123. By GrandDaddyPurp on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Spencer- so the defense gets a p@ss?

  124. By Spencer on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Against the Broncos Ponder had a chance to make a game winning drive….first play he throws an int.

  125. By iaVIKE on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    This is a good problem to have though fellas. We could be arguing over Skelton/Kolb or Garard/Moore/Tannehill or McCoy/Weeden ya know?

  126. By DRS on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Everyone I am not saying anyone here is a racist, just that some seam to back black or white on a regular basis, just something I have noticed.

  127. By Spencer on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    So are we giving up on the Manny Arceneaux experiment?

  128. By Mike B. on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    I agree iaVike it is a good problem to have, but need to give Ponder the backing he needs to lead the team and not worry that there is someone back there waiting in the wings. I think that’s why Fraizer is standing up and saying Webb is #2. Ponder is the #1 QB and the Organization is behind him. That’s all that is required.

  129. By GrandDaddyPurp on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    DRS- I base for the most part everything on their performance on the field and nothing else.

  130. By iaVIKE on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Agreed Mike B

  131. By Mike B. on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    @DRS isn’t enough to debate ability and how the organization places a player instead of bring up a race arguement. Because I back Farve or Ponder due over TJack or Webb doesn’t mean that it has anything to do with the color of their skin. It has everything to do with skill and ability.

  132. By DRS on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Jerome Simpson: Jail ‘was terrible’Updated: May 14, 2012, 12:53 PM

    His15-day jail sentence for a drug-related charge now completed, receiver Jerome Simpson is asking for forgiveness from Minnesota Vikings fans and vows he’s a good person who just made a poor decision.

    Jerome Simpson took to the air in December, flipping over a Cardinals defender and into the end zone to score a memorable touchdown last season.
    “Things happen for a reason. The man upstairs wanted me to change. It sucked I had to go through it that way. It made me a stronger, better person,” Simpson said in an interview with the Pioneer Press.

    Simpson pleaded guilty March 1 to a felony charge resulting from about 2 pounds of marijuana being shipped to his northern Kentucky home in September when he was a member of the Cincinnati Bengals. He also was sentenced to three years’ probation.

    “Everybody makes mistakes. I just want people to kind of forgive me,” Simpson told the newspaper.

    He will serve a three-game suspension at the start of the 2012 season as a result of the incident. He signed a one-year contract with the Vikings this offseason as a free agent.

    “Those 15 days I spent in jail, it was terrible. It sucked,” Simpson told the newspaper. “Any kids out there, that’s a place you don’t want to be. Somebody tells you when to wake up, when to make your bed, when to take a shower, when you can have a snack. That’s an obstacle you don’t want to face. I want all kids to learn not to go down that path and to learn from me.”

    Simpson made perhaps the play of the 2011 season when he flipped over Arizona Cardinals linebacker Daryl Washington and landed on both feet in the end zone to score a touchdown. He finished the season with a 50 receptions, 725 yards and four touchdowns. But his September arrest made his NFL future uncertain before he signed with Minnesota last month.

    “I’m not a drug dealer or anything. I’m not out there like that. I just made a poor decision,” Simpson told the Pioneer Press.

    He said he wants to help others not make the same mistake he did.

    “I paid my debt to society. I want to help people not make the same decision I made,” he told the newspaper. “One of my goals is to help people not go down that path like I did.”

    Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7927669/jerome-simpson-minnesota-vikings-better-person-jail-term

  133. By DRS on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Sounds good to me, I was just noticing trends and started to wonder.

  134. By Spencer on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    I keep forgetting that we signed Simpson.

    He will be a great #2 for us…but what we truly need is a #1.

    Michael Jenkins is not a #1 WR.

  135. By DRS on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    I too believe ability should be how one judges a player.

  136. By Mike B. on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    The real issue there hasn’t been enough success since the 09 championship game that a valid arguement could be made against all the players and organization. We really need to see some success and soon.

  137. By Mike B. on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    This rookie Childs could be the answer we need at #1 but he’s probably not going to be ready this year.

  138. By DRS on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    By DRS on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Vikings sign Tyler Holmes, waive Kris Adams
    Posted by: Dan Wiederer under Vikings Updated: May 14, 2012 – 12:06 PM

    The Vikings have announced the signing of Tyler Holmes, a rookie guard out of Tulsa. To make room on the roster, the team has waived receiver Kris Adams.

    Adams joined the Vikings’ practice squad in the final month of 2011 and later signed a reserve/future contract, which allowed him to take part in the team’s offseason conditioning program as well as rookie mini-camp.

    Holmes, meanwhile, went undrafted last month. He is 6-foot-5 and 308 pounds. His father, Richard, is a former standout in the Canadian Football League. And Holmes himself was drafted in the first round of the CFL Draft last year by Toronto but opted to stay in school for another year and finish his career at Tulsa. Now he’ll give things a go with the Vikings.

    http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/151400005.html

    _______________________________________________________________
    what do people think about this?

  139. By Spencer on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Is he 100% healthy Mike?

  140. By Carl K on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    For some of you dogging on Joe Webb- go look at the stats from 2011.
    completion %- CP7 has an edge 54.3 to Webb’s 54.0
    QB rating – Joe Webb has the edge 74.6 to CP7’s 70.1
    Webb threw 3 TDs and 2 Ints.
    Ponder threw 13 TDs to 13 Ints.

    Bring on preseason!

  141. By Spencer on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Also in 2011 Webb never played with Jenkins or AP.

  142. By Spencer on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Just a random question- does anybody here like the Maury show?

  143. By Mike B. on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    It looks to me like the depth at guard isn’t where the Vikings what it to be. It could mean that one of the current guards is on the bubble.

    Joe Berger 7yr has not been a true starter.
    Chris DeGeare 2yr backup
    Brandon Fusco 2yr backup
    Charlie Johnson 6yr bad year last year possible Starter LG
    Matt Kalil Rookie starter LT
    Phil Loadholt 4yr starter RT
    DeMarcus Love 2yr
    Geoff Schwartz 4yr Starting RG
    John Sullivan 5yr Starting Center
    Jose Valdez Rookie
    Darian Weems Rookie
    Probably one of the 2nd year guys may not be panning out might. That could be the reason for the move

  144. By Mike B. on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    @Carl K from what Fraizer said there is no competition at the QB position. You are just starting a story that isn’t there.

  145. By Mike B. on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    @Spencer I don’t know Spielman said he is during the draft period. He has the height and the speed. It is very possible he can develop into a blue chip WR that would really be a diamond in the rough.

  146. By DRS on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    I would say Charlie Johnson is on the hot seat, with the youth movement by the Vikings.

  147. By NovaScotiaVike on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    It should be the ‘Moray” show, as in Moray Eel.

  148. By NovaScotiaVike on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    http://www.mysterra.org/webmag/moray-eels.html Moray Povich.

  149. By Viking-ology on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Ponder is the #1 QB-move on to a different subject.

  150. By Spencer on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    The reactions of the guys when Maury says “You are NOT the father!” is just priceless.

  151. By Viking-ology on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    GranDaddyPurp-I agree with you on Ponder/Webb. he Vikes should utilize Webb’s talents in different ways to benefit the team.

  152. By GrandDaddyPurp on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    I got to say it again. Wright and Childs are more polished at route running than most of the WRs that went in the draft. You dont have to be fast to get separation and get open. running great routes will do that for you. These two WILL get open its just up to the OLine to give Ponder enough time to see the open receiver and its up to those two to make the catch.

  153. By Viking-ology on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Simpson will be a great WR> Also I like the fact that the two Ark. WR’s are good route runners-that is half the battle right there.

  154. By GrandDaddyPurp on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    I dont think we should use the blazer package again.

  155. By Viking-ology on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    GDP-you got that right!

  156. By Mike B. on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    lol Blazer looked like a dead Fazer

  157. By Viking-ology on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    If the Blazer package was restructured (like they knew what they were doing) I think it can be effective-but it can’t be thrown in haphazardly like last year. Plan it out better.

  158. By GrandDaddyPurp on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    V-ology- Thank you!

    Now we just need to get rid of Micheal Jenkins. We are overpaying him and him playing will just take reps away from these younger guys who need those reps to help reach their potential. Every game they sit out is just prolonging these young player’s maturation of their individual game.

  159. By TITUS THE GREAT on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Spencer.stop wasting time watching television. It will destroy your brain.

  160. By Spencer on May 14, 2012 | Reply

  161. By Spencer on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Im seriously hoping that Greg Childs amounts to something. Michael Jenkins is a nice guy and all, but hes just not a game changer at the WR position.

    Im rooting for you Childs!!!!

  162. By Carl K on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Mike B- The story is Frazier benched Ponder after a couple rough games last year. Yes, Ponder is the starter… but I think Frazier will handle the QB situation the same as he did last year. If Ponder struggles… In comes Webb.

    This is not a story I am just making up as I go.

  163. By DeerTracks on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Viking-ol0gy

    Ponder is the #1 QB, until he is mashed into the turf, then you and the other anti-Webb people will see Joe go to work and just maybe Frazier will get his head out of the sand….

    DRS
    I don’t care about your idea’s of racxist one side or the other, I am what you call “White” and I still think Joe Webb is the better QWB and given a chance will prove it.

  164. By DeerTracks on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    QB

  165. By Spencer on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Everytime we score, im going to break out my best rendition of the “Im not da baby daddy dance!”

  166. By KoN on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    I agree that Jenkins is definitely not a #1, on the other hand, he was on track to have the best year of his career last year had he not been injured. Just some food for thought.

  167. By GrandDaddyPurp on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Spencer- I just watched that video. That was hilarious.

  168. By Spencer on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    I cant lie tho…Michael Jenkins seemed to catch everything in sight!

  169. By KoN on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Oops, I meant to say had he started every game and not been injured.

  170. By Carl K on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    I am excited to see Ponder develop into a great QB….
    However, I don’t expect it to be easy with all ups and no downs…
    It is a long tough season…. We will need Webb this year too.

  171. By GrandDaddyPurp on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    If Webb is as good a QB as some of you are making him out to be, We would have drafted our franchise LT Nate Soldier to protect Webb’s blindside instead of taking Ponder which many including myself thought was a reach at pick #12. Ponder is a better QB and Webb is the better all around athlete. There is a reason we took Ponder in the 1st round and why Joe Webb fell to us in the SEVENTH round.

    Im not an”anti-Webb”. Im having a hard time understanding why you are all so willing to just give up on a guy we just got a year ago in the FIRST round. If you guys are willing to give up on him this early on in his career then I question your knowledge about the game of football. Were you really expecting a Favre like season for us from a ROOKIE?

  172. By Spencer on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Its not that I gave up on Ponder, its just that I havent given up on Webb..

  173. By KoN on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Here’s a crazy fact for everyone, Calvin Johnson was targeted 158 times in 2011 and caught 96 for a completion percentage of 61. Michael Jenkins was targeted 55 times and caught 38 for a completion percentage of 69. Obviously I’m not saying that I wouldn’t trade Jenkins for Johnson in a heartbeat, just an interesting fact.

  174. By KoN on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Even crazier: this is the first year that Calvin Johnson has had above a 60% completion rate. When I watch him play it seems like he catches everything. In actuality, his career completion rate is only 54%.

  175. By GrandDaddyPurp on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    This is why I wanted us to trade Webb. This is exactly what we dont need in this franchise doubt about our starting QB and whether he is even the best QB on the roster. We are setting Ponder up for failure by saying the backup should be starting over him.

  176. By KoN on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Jenkins has a 58% completion rate over his career.

  177. By KoN on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Anybody want to guess what Berrian’s completion percentage was last year?

  178. By GrandDaddyPurp on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    1%?

  179. By GrandDaddyPurp on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    0.1%?

  180. By GrandDaddyPurp on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    0.01%?

  181. By Carl K on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    GDP-
    I am not giving up on Ponder. I wouldn’t trade Ponder and Kalil for Nate Soldier. No Thank You. No way,

    We have the most explosive backup QB in the NFL… that is not a knock on Ponder.

  182. By GrandDaddyPurp on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    11%?

  183. By GrandDaddyPurp on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Carl K- I know, i wasn’t talking about you. Those who I am talking about know who they are

  184. By Carl K on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    GDP-
    Are you crazy? trade a good backup when your starter has a history of injuries?

  185. By KoN on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Lol, not quite GDP, but 30% is still pretty abysmal. That means that he didn’t even catch one-third of the p a s s e s thrown to him.

  186. By GrandDaddyPurp on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Carl K- But would you trade Ponder and Kalil for Soldier and Claiborne?

  187. By GrandDaddyPurp on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Carl K- Thats what Webb is a backup. As long as people dont forget that I dont feel we should trade him. But that doubt is not good for this team.

  188. By Carl K on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Well, good question… But I really like Kalil, Ponder and J-Rob (Josh Robinson)

    I will stick with what we have right now. So the answer is no.

  189. By GrandDaddyPurp on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    I have no choice but to support who we have, and who we have is Ponder as our starting QB and Webb as our backup. The only way that should change is if Ponder gets injured, and judging by Ponder’s history of injuries, I would not be surprised I he does get injured and Webb has to step in. I’m okay with that. As ive said I’m not okay with people saying Webb should be the starter when Ponder has done nothing to lose that position.

  190. By Carl K on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    GDP-
    Webb is a very likable backup! I was critical of Frazier for benching Ponder last year… I will be less critical this year.

  191. By DRS on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    NFL thanks Vikings fans
    May 14, 2012 4:11 p.m. – by Joe Oberle

    NFL Spokesperson Greg Aiello via Twitter: “Congrats to Vikings, their fans, and the leadership & people of Minnesota. It looks like a great stadium is on the way.”

    Minnesota Vikings RapidReports | All National Football League RapidReports

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/rapid-reports/post/19044374

  192. By GrandDaddyPurp on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Im just worried about Ponder’s durability. All it takes is one hit for Ponder to get injured. Thats what I like most about Favre is no matter how hard he got hit he got back in the game. Favre was a throwback player. We might have an improved OLine but it wont help against that 1 hit. Thats all it takes. I am very comfortable with Webb as the backup.

  193. By DRS on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    NFL roundup: Union grievance to be heard Wednesday

    By The Sports Xchange | The SportsXchange – 2 hours 29 minutes ago

    The players union is scheduled to have its grievance against the NFL and Commissioner Roger Goodell heard Wednesday, with the NFLPA questioning the league’s authority to punish players for participating in an alleged bounty program with the Saints.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl-roundup-union-grievance-heard-233026770–nfl.html

  194. By DRS on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Good night everyone.

  195. By Spencer on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    This should be the song played when the players come out of the tunnel!

  196. By GrandDaddyPurp on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Good song Spencer

  197. By TITUS THE GREAT on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    what tunnel?

  198. By TITUS THE GREAT on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    We will have the newest stadium with the latest technology– forget the tunnel– I say our players fly from the sky on jet packs.

  199. By Spencer on May 14, 2012 | Reply

  200. By TITUS THE GREAT on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Or maybe a river surrounding the field– and the Viking ship sails around it once and then lands– and all the players run off the ship onto the field. Then the cheerleaders can be in bikinis and swim around the field.

  201. By Viking-ology on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Spencer- You said you have’nt given up on Webb. Have you given up on T-Jack? Ponder is the #1 QB. There ahould be no looking over the shoulder cause by fan pressure with coaches.

  202. By Viking-ology on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    To add to that-I think Sage should be #2 and Webb #3. The reason being is to let Webb play in other capacities on offense. Use his skills to give any advantages to the offense.

  203. By Viking-ology on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    I am not anti-Webb as some of you say, look no further than my posts.

  204. By Viking-ology on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    If Frazier and co. have a good game plan for the team, I believe they will surprise most doubters.

  205. By KoN on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    You aren’t thinking high-tech enough Titus. I’m thinking after our 2017 Super Bowl win over the Bills in our new stadium Zygi will say, “Beam us up, Wobby,” taking all of the Vikings fans, players, and staff to the afterparty in the Wilf’s private orbiting plaza.

  206. By Spencer on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    KoN- why is your name…KoN? What does it mean?

  207. By Frederick Jones on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Wow, what a hot topic. I stated it was a 3 hour argument, and it has exceeded my prediction. (Webb vs. Ponder)

  208. By Frederick Jones on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Right after I left Vikings.com, I drove to the gym. On the way I listened to KFAN and noticed that ALL the arguments were the same as the ones our Vikings.com bloggers post!

    (There were exceptions of course, DRS knows his own mind, so does Spencer, but most of the rest were straight out of KFAN. I cannot list all of them of course)

    Be for Webb or against, but PLEASE give your own opinion!!

  209. By Frederick Jones on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    All of this reminds me of Starr vs. McHan for the Green Bay Packers QB job in the late 1950s. Are you a Starr man, or a McHan man?

    Or Morton vs. Staubach @Dallas Cowboys

  210. By KoN on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    It isn’t a very interesting story. When I was like 13 or 14, I had to choose a create a username to play COD at a friend’s house so I decided upon KingofNubs, which I now use as my username for almost everything. Anyway, that shortens to KoN which I now prefer the sound of.

  211. By Troy on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    I hate watching Asher Allen

  212. By KoN on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Fred, I rarely even listen to KFAN, I don’t see how I could be getting my opinion from them.

  213. By Frederick Jones on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    I think most Viking fans would pick Ponder as their QB. About 10% would be against Ponder.

    Joe Webb would get that 10% for the starting job.

    But realize that we need both men, desperately. Webb has to have the chance to develop like Ponder has had. The competition should be good for both of them.

    The disapproval of Joe Webb isn’t doing him any good.

    YOU cannot p a s s like Joe Webb, so quit saying he is a bad thrower!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  214. By Frederick Jones on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Okay KoN, then answer my next post…

  215. By KoN on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Alright Fred, let’s see it.

  216. By Frederick Jones on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Here it is KoN:

    NO ONE doubts that QB is the most important position in football. What I am proving is that the team one plays on makes the QB, and not the other way around!

    The other ten players on the team make the quarterback. Yes, he still must make the throws, and the decisions, but there are many, many QBs that might have made it except for the team they played for, didn’t have enough talent on the field. Jamarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf, Tim Couch, etc.

    You may argue that the great ones of Montana, Tarkenton, Marino, would not have made it if their team was as bad as the Saints, and Patriots of the late 1960′s and early 1970′s.

    Joe Willie Gilliam was another one. Great skills, bad team.
    It is a myth that the QB makes the team great. The truth is it is the team that makes the QB great. You can’t have one without the other!

    The Pittsburgh Steelers drafted Johnny Unitas in 1955. They never played him.
    The Steelers were 4-8 that year. Is it possible or even probable that Unitas, if he had not been picked up by the Baltimore Colts, would have never played in the NFL?

    Would Bart Starr, an average Quarterback, have ever been a HOF QB if Vince Lombardi hadn’t taken over the Packers in 1959?

    How many QBs sat on the bench, or never played in the NFL, and yet were as good as Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, and etc. I say quite a few.

    It is a myth that the QB makes his team great. It is more likely that the team he plays for, makes the QB great!!!

    IT IS NOT ALL ABOUT THE QUARTERBACK, THAT IS MEDIA SENSATIONALISM!!!

  217. By Frederick Jones on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    DRS,

    I enjoyed the Viking Song. Thank you for sharing!!!

  218. By KoN on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    I completely agree Fred, I think that the QB position is overhyped. The QB is the commander of the offense, true, but I believe people are too focused on the fact that he always touches the ball on offense, even if it is just to hand it off. A team can definitely be good without a good QB. Look at the Ravens, they are always in the playoffs, but Flacco is nothing special. On the other hand, you can’t deny that the QB is the most important position by at least a little bit on the offense. Let’s just say that I’d be more happy to have Tom Brady than Rob Gronkowski, but I’d also be much more happy to have the rest of the Patriot’s offense than just Tom Brady.

  219. By Frederick Jones on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    @KoN,

    It’s not really a question, but it is an opening for debate!!!

  220. By Frederick Jones on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    @KoN,

    Good answer. You are more knowing in the ways of football than many of your brethren!

    The first thing fans do is point their crooked finger at the HC or QB. Usually it’s more than just one or two people. That is one of the things that makes football the great game it is. It is so complex!!!

    We need Joe Webb to be great, in addition to Ponder. I feel sure of this in light of our lack of money and cap space!

  221. By Shawn on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Everyone … Just so everyone is clear. Spencer , like the media, has taken my statement out of context to use it for his own agenda. The comment Spencer posted by me was from Dec of 2010. It was during Joe Webbs first start and he was beating the Eagles. A recent Wobs blog was either titled “What to expect from Joe Webb” or the theme of the article was “What to expect from Joe Webb”

    Either way that was before we drafted Ponder and I am still a Joe Webb fan but I am on the Ponder bandwagon. I want to see Webb get 2-3 drives per game at QB and play WR.

    _____________________________________________________________

    By Spencer on May 14, 2012 | Reply
    In regards to this whole Joe Webb thing, I believe Shawn says it best..
    By Shawn on Dec 28, 2010 | Reply
    WHAT TO EXPECT FROM JOE WEBB?
    A WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    ____________________________________________________________

  222. By Frederick Jones on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    There are so many QBs that don’t make it (just like other positions). The difference between a Peyton Manning and a Ryan Leaf is not that great.

    Do you remember Todd Blackledge?

    Not many people do. He was a 1st Round draft choice, highly regarded, was he worse than Dan Marino who (I believe) was drafted the same year?

    You could come up with many, many, many, other examples!

  223. By Frederick Jones on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    @Shawn,

    If you believe that way, there must be part of the Vikings staff that also feels that way about Joe Webb. But I like to think that some also believe Joe Webb will be a great QB.

    Maybe Coach Frazier sees Joe Webb as a LONG RANGE prospect at QB.
    Trading him, will do little at this point. Give him a chance for some extended play at QB to see how he does.

  224. By TITUS THE GREAT on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    Did you run today Fred– it was definitely a summer day down here.

  225. By Lloyd Santee on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    I think they will have a better developed offense if they lean away from running the ball. Defenses today can’t stop the pass. There was too much of a loss at the defensive backs position, league wide, for it not to happen. The Jets are probably the exception with the Eagles, and pardon the pun, waiting in the wings, to dominate in that area. It takes time to jell as a defense. If the Vikings, and season ticket holders will hate this coment, reach .500 this year it’s not a bad thing. It shows improvement. The question is can the fans and ownership wait. I think ownership ill be more patient than the fans(that doesn’t include yours truly). SKOL VIKINGS!

  226. By OldTrojan on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    How much is it gonna cost for PSLs? How much is being charged per seat? When will we find out? Will STHs be able to afford PSLs? Why won’t the Minnesota Vikings comment on this? What are the Vikings trying to hide?

  227. By VegasVike on May 14, 2012 | Reply

    @K0N, I may be showing my age but what is C0D? Fish? Cash On Delivery?

  228. By OTKalil2012 on May 15, 2012 | Reply

    http://www.foxsportsnorth.com/05/13/12/Kalil-fits-Vikings-offensive-line-and-Mi/landing_mnvikings.html?blockID=728316&feedID=5930

  229. By KoN on May 15, 2012 | Reply

    Lol, not quite Vegas, It is Call of Duty, it’s a video game.

  230. By Carl K on May 15, 2012 | Reply

    Frederick – I didn’t listen to Kfan.
    My QB observation is based on how they performed last year…
    In a perfect world our young QBs will show some improvement over last year.
    However, this is the NFL and not every QB can make it.
    Todd Blackledge is a good example… very smart, knows the game well, has all the tools. Todd was 31-5 in 3 years as a starter for Penn State and even won a National Championship.

    He just could never develop as a quality NFL QB. Todd had some high expectations as a first round draft pick, but he underperformed at the NFL level.
    29 career TDs and 38 ints and a QB rating of 60.2 in 7 years in the NFL.

    I am not expecting Ponder to be a great QB overnight. It just doesn’t happen like that in the NFL.

  231. By NorthwoodsVikesFan on May 15, 2012 | Reply

    In many instances the QB position is over-hyped, but there is always the exception to the rule, e.g. the Colts’ implosion without Manning last year. For THAT team, the QB WAS the team.

  232. By Frederick Jones on May 15, 2012 | Reply

    @Carl K,

    Once again a sensible statement from you. I agree Blackledge didn’t make it, and who knows why for sure. But if he had been with a championship team, I bet he would have overcome his difficulties.

    Ponder or Webb? We need both of them to blossom!!!

  233. By Mike B. on May 17, 2012 | Reply

    @Fred which in the Vikings organization think that Webb is a great QB. Do you have specific information or is this just a guess. Unless you do is it possilble that he is a great athlete without the skill set to be a great WR or a great QB. He may just be a career backup. There are many in the league that have entire careers as backups. I am thinking that’s where he fits. If you have specific information why not spill the beans.

  234. By personalitytestonline on May 17, 2012 | Reply

    I hope Adrian is ready to go for the start of the season. We really need him 100% healthy.

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