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New Stadium Proposal By The Numbers

Posted by Mike Wobschall on March 1, 2012 – 11:24 am

Thursday morning was a busy one for the Vikings, as Governor Mark Dayton was joined by State Legislators, Minneapolis Mayor R.T. Rybak, business and labor leaders, and team owners Zygi and Mark Wilf at the State Capitol to an agreement to build a new “People’s Stadium” on the current  Metrodome site.

Hopefully many of you watched the press conference live on vikings.com, but for those of you who weren’t able to do so, here’s a brief rundown of the basics…

– The site is located adjacent to the current Metrodome site, and construction of the new stadium could be structured in a way that the Vikings would have to play just 1 season at TCF Bank Stadium. The new fixed-roof stadium will be 70% larger than the current Metrodome and will include modern fan amenities that will provide a first-class game-day environment for fans.

– The stadium will be a multi-purpose facility that will be open year-round to host events such as, but not limited to, NCAA Final Fours, trade shows and conventions, high school and college sporting events, cultural celebrations and other entertainment events.

– There will be 2,500 parking spaces adjacent to the stadium.

– Total projected cost of the entire project is $975 million, and the Vikings will pay for 50.6% of those costs. That total includes $427 million in up-front costs and $327.1 million in operating costs and capital expenses.

– The State of Minnesota’s contribution will be 26.7% ($398M) and the City of Minneapolis’s contribution will be 22.7% ($338.7M). Most importantly, in my opinion at least, is that no new taxes will be required in Minneapolis or statewide to pay for the stadium. That is to say, no taxpayer dollars will be taken from the state’s general fund.

– The Vikings will sign a 30-year lease to play in the new stadium, ensuring that the team remains an asset to the state for generations.


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  1. By Cedric Griffin is a better Minnesota Viking aka Shawn on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    Mike Wobschall can you write an article containing every politicians name that votes no to this deal? … if it gets voted NO ?

    If it gets voted yes then all is well.

  2. By snafu on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    LET’S HOPE THIS FLIES AND THE VIKES STAY IN MINNESOTA

  3. By snafu on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    IT CAN ONLY HELP DRAW TALENT TO THE TEAM

  4. By Northern Norseman on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    Can someone please explain what the “roof” situation is?!?!?!

    I feel like it got barely touched on if not at all.

    I heard like the “Lucas Oil Stadium”……. well there it has a roof that opens at the top and window panels that open on the side.

    Some sources say “fixed-roof” which makes me think that it is not retractable in any way.

    Also I know that MLS does not like soccer teams to play in stadiums unless it’s open or retractable. Since the Wilfs really want a pro soccer team than they would surely be aware of this.

    So is it retractable? Is it completely fixed? Is it just the window panels that open on the side? Combination? What in the world is going on with the roof?

    Please someone help me with this dilemma I find myself in.

  5. By Mike B. on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    It was my understanding that the retractable roof was killed due to cost. I am not sure if fixed means like lucas oil or Fords Stadium. Mike W can we get some more details. I am sure we would all like to know.

  6. By Mike B. on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    I like the complaints about an outdoor stadium. The new stadium was never going to be an outdoor stadium.

  7. By DeerTracks on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    For $975 Millon, you would think the Stadium could be built like the Lucas Oil Can…..

    Mike B..How out checking out the term “FixedRoof”..

  8. By Timothy Solum on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    If this is known as “The People’s Stadium” then why in the world is this thing going to have a fixed roof? For darn near 1 billion dollars for this thing then why not a retractable roof?Jerry Jones paid 1 bill + on his stadium and look at what he got for his money. I don’t get it, the people have spoken and want outdoor football back in Minnesota. How much more could it cost to make the roof move back and forth. Look at the AZ Cards stadium, they also move the field in and out. Come on and spend a little more for the roof or don’t build at all. Mike Ditka said it baet when he called the Metro Dome an Armory. Lets not have another one of those in Minnesota, GO BACK OUT SIDE….PLEASE!

  9. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    Old News– Titus reported this yesterday.

  10. By Viking-ology on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    The people have spoken? If the people wanted a retractable roof, they should have offered a tax increase. No matter what happens, not eveyone will be satisfied. Look at it this way-if this p@sses, which, I don’t know why it wouldn’t, the Vikings will remain in Minnesota, thats the main thing. Lets just hang on a bit to see how the details shake out, before we complain, otherwise, mission accomplised!

  11. By VikingFanForever on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    I am upset about the location, retractable dome… Want Arden Hills…. Not a Packer fan at all…. But, attending a game at Lambaeu is a TRUE football WEEKEND experience! Are the “rules” of tailgating going to be the same??? no more than 2 hours before and after a game???

  12. By DRS on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    http://prod.static.vikings.clubs.nfl.com/assets/docs/stadium/DES-terms-of-agreement.pdf

    Stadium Location The Stadium will be located at the Downtown East site in Minneapolis, MN

    Stadium Description, The Stadium will be Multi‐purpose with a Fixed roof (with an option to modify to a Retractable roof without any increase to
    the funding provided by State or City).

    The current Stadium siting plan is depicted on Schedule A. During the Design and Development Phase, the Group (defined herein) will explore moving the Stadium as far east on the site as possible, with full consideration of project costs, safety, and other such issues, in order to limit the time that the Team would need to play at another location and to create a significant public plaza for year‐round activities.

    Stadium Ownership The Stadium and the Stadium site will be owned by the Stadium Authority.

    Authority

    The Authority will be comprised of:

    3 members appointed by the Governor, including the Chair

    2 members appointed by the Mayor of the City of Minneapolis

    The Authority will be appointed within 30 days after the enactment of the Stadium legislation.

    Authority Transition

    The Metropolitan Sports Facilities Commission (MSFC) will be abolished within 90 days after the enactment of the Stadium legislation with the new Authority assuming all remaining assets and obligations of the MSFC.

    Financing, The State would provide $398 million (net of financing costs) to the project.

    The City of Minneapolis Convention Center Taxes (described below) would provide $150 million (net of financing costs).

    The Team/Private Contribution would be $427 million (net of financing costs).
    Sources:

  13. By DRS on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    http://prod.static.vikings.clubs.nfl.com/assets/docs/stadium/DES-terms-of-agreement.pdf

    Estimated LifeCycle Stadium
    Funding/Operating Costs
    (Operating, Gameday and
    ongoing Capital Net Present
    Value (NPV) is based on 3%
    inflation and a 4% discount rate)

  14. By DRS on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    Public Funding,
    The State of Minnesota (or designated intermediary) will issue appropriation bonds which combined with other funding

    sources will be in the amount of $548 million (net of financing costs). The bonds will be repaid through a combination of funds

    primarily generated through the City of Minneapolis “Convention Center Taxes” identified in the Convention Center Taxes

    section below (supporting approximately $150 million in financing) and expansion of State authorized charitable gaming to include electronic “Pull‐tab” and other allowable gaming (supporting approximately $398 million in financing).

  15. By DRS on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    Beginning in 2021 through 2046, the State will e-n-c-u-m-b-e-r, on an a-n-n-u-a-l basis, a portion of the Convention Center Taxes equivalent to the present value of $150 million. For calculation purposes, the present value date will be based on the date(s) of the bond(s) sold by the State (or designated i-n-t-e-r-m-e-d-i-a-r-y) or other State funding is initiated. The present value rate will be
    the greater of the total interest cost of the bond issue(s) or equivalent 30‐Year bond index. A proposed minimum schedule of Convention Center Tax e-n-c-u-m-b-r-a-n-c-e-s will be developed by the City and the State.

  16. By DRS on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    http://prod.static.vikings.clubs.nfl.com/assets/docs/stadium/DES-terms-of-agreement.pdf

    As a part of the funding, the taxes set out below (the “Convention Center Taxes”) will remain in effect through at least 2046 at current levels covering current items in current geographic locations:

    a. 0.5% general sales tax;

    b. 3% downtown restaurant tax;

    c. 3% downtown liquor tax;

    d. 2.625% lodging tax.

    Beginning in 2012, the authorization for the Convention Center Taxes will provide for City expenditures in support of capital projects or for other economic development purposes.

  17. By DRS on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    http://prod.static.vikings.clubs.nfl.com/assets/docs/stadium/DES-terms-of-agreement.pdf

    Funding of project costs, including the design and development phase, will be paid first by the Team until $50 million of the Team/Private commitment is expended, second by the Authority until $50 million of the Public commitment is expended and then shared proportionately by the Team and Authority until all costs have been funded. The Team will provide suitable security for their funding obligations as a part of project financing.

  18. By DRS on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    http://prod.static.vikings.clubs.nfl.com/assets/docs/stadium/DES-terms-of-agreement.pdf

    The State and City will provide a sales tax exemption on Stadium and off‐site transportation construction materials, sewer access charge fee exemption, and property tax exemption on the Stadium property. The Team may operate some facilities on/as a part of the Stadium site year‐round (e.g., retail store(s), restaurant(s)), as agreed to by the Group (as defined below) as part of the Design and Development Phase. The property tax exemption would also be applicable to these facilities, to the extent legally permissible.

    Design & Construction Management

    The design and construction of the Stadium shall be a collaborative effort between the Authority and the Team.

    The Authority and the Team will work together throughout the design and construction process to identify the most efficient project procurement and delivery methods subject to the Authority’s mandated public process, and subject to the exemptions granted to the Target Field design and construction process, as described in the Target Field legislation Minnesota Statutes
    Sections 473.756, Subd.12, as applicable.

    Any necessary land use and development reviews and approvals shall be handled consistent with the procedures and standards applied to the Target Field design and construction process, as described in the Target Field legislation Minnesota Statutes Sec 13.473.758, Subd 2, as applicable.

  19. By DRS on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    http://prod.static.vikings.clubs.nfl.com/assets/docs/stadium/DES-terms-of-agreement.pdf

    New Major League Soccer (MLS) and Other Team Franchises

    If any of the Team’s owners whose family owns at least 3 percent of the Team purchase full ownership or partial ownership in an MLS franchise, such franchise will play in the Stadium under the same operating, scheduling priority, and revenue and expense terms as applicable to the Team’s NFL franchise, at no additional rent. Notwithstanding, any reasonable marginal
    costs incurred by the Authority as a result of the new franchise(s) will be paid by the Team. The assumption is that no incremental costs for capital modifications or capital repairs are expected. However, any capital modifications required to support the new franchise(s) will be financed by the Team, unless otherwise agreed to by the Authority.

    The Team has the exclusive right to bring MLS soccer to the Stadium for 5 years after the Stadium is open. The Team intends to actively evaluate
    pursuing an MLS franchise during this period. If the Team’s owners purchase full ownership or partial ownership of franchises other than the NFL or MLS teams, the terms of the agreement to play in the Stadium will be negotiated in good faith at that time.

  20. By DRS on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    http://prod.static.vikings.clubs.nfl.com/assets/docs/stadium/DES-terms-of-agreement.pdf

    Tailgating As a part of the definitive d-o-c-u-m-e-n-t-s, the City and the Team will work together to expand the current tailgating b-o-u-n-d-a-r-i-e-s on
    surface parking lots generally East and South of the Stadium understanding that certain areas will not be practical for tailgating.

  21. By DRS on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    http://prod.static.vikings.clubs.nfl.com/assets/docs/stadium/DES-terms-of-agreement.pdf

    Stadium Builder’s Licenses (SBL)

    The Authority shall own and retain the exclusive rights to sell SBLs to the Stadium. The Authority shall retain the Team to act as the Authority’s agent in marketing and selling such licenses.

    Metropolitan Council Review Waiver of Metropolitan Council Significance Review. Seating Capacity Approximately 65,000 (expandable to 72,000)
    Premium Seating Inventory Approximately 150 suites and 7,500 club seats

  22. By DRS on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    Take a look at schedule A, B, AND C. in,

    http://prod.static.vikings.clubs.nfl.com/assets/docs/stadium/DES-terms-of-agreement.pdf

  23. By Rogerthevikefan on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    Awesome can’t wait till they pass it and start building.

  24. By DRS on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    This is from,

    http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/blogs/141068363.html

    This morning, Vikings co owner-and team president Mark Wilf also visited with Paul Allen on KFAN expressing his glee for what he’s calling “a big milestone for us.”

    Wilf revealed several additional details about the stadium, noting it will measure close to 1.6 million square feet. (Mall of America Field, it’s worth noting, currently occupies approximately 900,000 square feet.)

    Wilf said the new stadium will have a seating capacity near 65,000. Yet what has Vikings ownership even more excited is the proposed development of the land around the new stadium, allowing for much larger tailgating areas and developed plazas. The Vikings also plan to have a Hall of Fame with additional restaurants likely in the area.

    Said Wilf: “It’s going to make the game experience totally different than what they have now.”

    The new stadium, proponents says, should aid in the economic development of the downtown area while also creating upwards of 13,000 jobs during the construction process. And yes, the new stadium would also be a potential site for future Super Bowls and Final Fours, as the Metrodome once was.

    “Sports is such an important quality of life [element],” Wilf said. “And of course the Vikings and Minnesota go hand in hand. And we just feel this community needs to have a facility that everyone can be proud of and say that it’s a first class and world class. And that’s what we’re going to work toward.”

    Of course, none of this will be a done deal until the Minneapolis city council and the state legislature grant approval. So it will be interesting to see just how much significan backlash may surface.

  25. By Vikinglore on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    As far as the roof who cares, we are kidding ourselves if we think this team is an outdoor team, not your old Vikes. Indianapolis has had the roof retracted very little and my friends from AZ who are Cards season ticket holders say the roof is open like a dozen times out of 40 some games. I don’t think the roof would get opened as often as we think. Get it done, that’s all I care.

  26. By Rogerthevikefan on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    Bengals FA WR Jerome Simpson will be setenced to at the most 60 days with 3 years probation for having around 2 pounds of pot sent to his home and another pound of pot in his home when the cops searched it. I know he sounds like a complete idiot but this drops his value alot so maybe he could be signed for a very small contract. Nfl.com has the full story.

  27. By Rogerthevikefan on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    He is highly talented maybe this will be a wake up call for him. He could still face the wrath of Goodell.

  28. By Rogerthevikefan on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    Has some similarities with how Cris Carter come to Minnesota but on a larger scale.

  29. By Mike B. on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    @Tim Solum you are speaking for me. I don’t want to freeze and be snowed on when watching a game. So not everyone has spoken.

  30. By DeerTracks on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    So when will the first game be played in this new house of cards?

    Or should I ask, What Century?

  31. By Mark on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    If this is considered a football stadium for in all general purposes than build it as a Football Stadium. The DOME Isn’t considered an atmosphere of football. Retractable I can live with but to completeley enclose this then restructure the existing and save millions and move on. I am not totally pleased with this plan as the nose bleed seating looks to be very similar to what we now have.

  32. By Vikinglore on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    I don’t expect to we will be building a ” first class” stadium and get the same game as the Dump, no way nosebleeds are the same.

  33. By DRS on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    This is from,

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hNORzwoN-W_J7E-K5KSH44GWLB4Q?docId=4cabeb690f5f4e1d83282260e623610f

    While backers have sold the jobs potential, the underlying drive for most stadium backers has been fear that inaction could result in the Vikings leaving Minnesota for Los Angeles or another city. The team’s Metrodome lease is expired, and though they’re compelled to play the 2012 season at the 30-year-old facility, their future in the state is not assured.

    “The time has come for Minnesota to make a decision,” said Rep. Morrie Lanning, a Republican and the chief House stadium negotiator. “Minnesota needs to decide if it wants to keep the team here. I do.”

    Despite the new proposal, even stadium backers admit that will be easier said than done. A number of Minneapolis City Council members have gone on the record opposing rededication of the city’s sales and hospitality tax without a citywide referendum authorizing it. Rybak said he believed he could get the new plan past the council, but admitted it would be a tough sell.

    “I see a huge number of red flags in the new plan,” said Councilwoman Betsy Hodges, who said she would not vote in support.

    Dayton asked House Speaker Kurt Zellers and Senate Majority Leader Dave Senjem to commit to an “up or down” vote on the proposal, in both chambers before the session ends. Before that can happen, the proposal will be vetted in multiple House and Senate committees.

    Zellers refused to say if he’d use the power of his office to push the bill through the Legislature this year.

    “I’m a Vikings fan … I don’t want to see them leave,” said Zellers, a Republican. “That doesn’t mean we can put together a bad deal.”

    Copyright © 2012 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

  34. By DRS on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    Minnesota And Vikings Reach Deal On Stadium

    By KEN BELSON

    Published: March 1, 2012

    After years of fits and starts, the Minnesota Vikings moved a big step closer to getting a new home when the state’s top political leaders unveiled a tentative agreement to build a $975 million stadium next to the aging Metrodome in Minneapolis.

    The plan must be approved by the city council in Minneapolis and the state legislature. The team has agreed to pay $427 million, or 50.6 percent, and will receive all football-related revenue from the stadium, including the naming rights. The city and the state will provide the rest of the financing, mostly by expanding pull-tab gambling games and redirecting existing sales and hospitality taxes.

    The proposed stadium will have a roof and be modeled after Indianapolis’s Lucas Oil Stadium, where this year’s Super Bowl and the 2010 Final Four were played. The new stadium will be able to host basketball, soccer and other events.

    If approved, the stadium’s construction will require that the Vikings play at least one season outdoors at TCF Bank Stadium at the University of Minnesota. The new stadium is expected to open in 2016. The agreement between the team, the governor, the mayor of Minneapolis and leaders of both houses of the state legislature also calls for some of the sales-tax receipts to be used to help refurbish the Target Center, where the Timberwolves play.

  35. By DeerTracks on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    Thanks, DRS, That is what I wanted to know…

  36. By DRS on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    http://min.scout.com/2/1163476.html

    The bill avoided two potential sticking points – using general-fund dollars from the state and a Minneapolis City Charter that doesn’t allow increased taxes of more than $10 million in City money to be directed toward a stadium for professional sports. The expansion of gambling with the addition of electronic pull tabs would fund the state’s portion – that is projected to raise $72 million annually – and Minneapolis would be using existing sales taxes that would be extended until 2045 to fund its portion. Minneapolis would be given greater control of its sales taxes. According to Minneapolis mayor R.T. Rybak, about $400 million of sales taxes collected annually in Minneapolis go to the state. He said some of the state’s current portion would be directed to stadium costs.

    Rybak acknowledged that there is opposition to a stadium bill at the city council level, but said “there has not been a solid proposal (until now) and there has not been a solid vote.”

    Extending the sales taxes in Minneapolis would also continue funding for the Minneapolis Convention Center and possibly Target Center, among other buildings.

    “This solves that problem. We have a compelling case and we’re going to make it and I’m optimistic about doing that,” Rybak said, joining forces with Dayton in stressing the creation and support of 13,000 jobs during the construction and operational phases.

    Nearly 4.3 million work hours would be put into stadium construction. Once completed, the Vikings would contribute $13 million to annual operation costs and the City of Minneapolis would contribute $7.5 million annually. Between construction and operational costs, the Vikings would be contributing 50.6 percent of the project’s life-cycle costs.

    The team would keep all football-related revenue, including naming rights and income from suite sales. Revenue’s produced from a potential Major League Soccer franchise that the Wilfs have been interested in bringing to Minnesota would also be directed to that franchise. All other revenues would go to a stadium authority run by a five-member panel – three appointed by the state and two by the city.

    The Vikings would be able to play in the Metrodome for all but one season while the new stadium, modeled after Lucas Oil Stadium in Indianapolis, is being built nearby. During the final stages of construction, Vikings games would relocate to the University of Minnesota’s TCF Bank Stadium

  37. By DRS on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    DeerTracks, you are welcomed. So close I can feel it, I just hope the rug is not pulled out from under me at the last minute.

  38. By sharol Baptista on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    Why don’t the Viking sell shares of the team like GB did to raise money??? I would buy shares at $250 each!!!

  39. By DRS on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    Rybak acknowledged that there is opposition to a stadium bill at the city council level, but said “there has not been a solid proposal (until now) and there has not been a solid vote.”

    Will the city council go for it that is the question of the day?

  40. By DRS on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    sharol Baptista, that is because only green-bay packers can do that by NFL rules.

  41. By Shawn on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    SoB … Raiders franchised Tyvon Branch :(

  42. By Shawn on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    Luckily Eagles franchised Deshean Jackson so no need to worry about that head case

  43. By DRS on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    Vikings get new stadium plan, tough sell ahead

    By PATRICK CONDON, Associated Press – 1 hour ago

    ST. PAUL, Minn. (AP) — It has taken the Minnesota Vikings nearly a decade to get this far in their quest for a new stadium.

    There is a lot more work to be done.

    Gov. Mark Dayton and Vikings owners Mark and Zygi Wilf unveiled plans Thursday for a new, $975 million stadium that would be built nearly on top of the Metrodome site in downtown Minneapolis. The deal, assembled behind closed doors in recent weeks, was a key step toward getting a plan in front of state lawmakers and other civic leaders for approval.

    Still, the plan is a far cry from becoming reality.

    “Every single politician is now going to have to make a tough decision,” said Minneapolis Mayor R.T. Rybak, a stadium booster who must now persuade a majority of skeptical city council members to dedicate sales tax proceeds to the effort.

    Also standing between the Vikings and a new stadium are 201 state lawmakers, all of them up for reelection later this year and many of them unconvinced that $737 million in public money should be contributed to the plan.

    “I can’t see a way for me to vote for it,” said Sen. Jeff Hayden, a Minneapolis Democrat. “My constituents have weighed in consistently that they do not want public financing of private stadiums.”

  44. By Shawn on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    Recall Jeff Hayden

  45. By DRS on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    Yes Shawn re-call all that vote down this plan.

  46. By DRS on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    Well I have to go, here is to hope.

  47. By Shawn on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    well since we cant sign Tyvon Branch … I will change my draft to

    1st Kalil

    2nd best safety likely Baron

  48. By Woodboat on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    @RogertheVikeFan…
    I hale from the area that your boy Simpson attempted to get his weed from. (Ray Mauluga grew up here, BTW… just saying…) I don’t know if this bust is what got the ball rolling, but lately the Feds are busting large grows here nearly every day. Yesterday they busted a couple with $387,000 in cash, 110# of processed M, and over 3,000 plants in a house they own. This kind of attention keeps up, these athletes will have to start shopping elsewhere… :)

  49. By Woodboat on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    I like Kalil first, as well. If, by some flukey chance, the Rams don’t get a good enough offer and draft Kalil out from under us, I’m all for trading the “RG3″ pick to stockpile picks.

    My preference hasn’t changed from last year…. O-Line and DBs. I’d love to see the entire O-Line revamped (thanks for the memories, Hutch), and our DBs as well. I would like to see them keep Winfield, even though he’s aging, for the nickel, but we gotta get some cover corners.

    I’ve read many posts by people wanting to go WR in the 2nd. Give the defense some love, guys. We have 4, maybe 5 guys on that side of the ball worthy of the purple…. lets get them some help.

  50. By DRS on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    Arden Hills backers of Vikings stadium frustrated; critique Minneapolis deal

    By Frederick Melo

    fmelo@pioneerpress.comtwincities.com

    Posted: 03/01/2012 12:01:00 AM CST

    March 1, 2012 11:38 PM GMT Updated: 03/01/2012 05:38:11 PM CST

    RelatedVikings stadium

    Vikings stadium plan faces tough sell in LegislatureSansevere: Vikings stadium is ‘People’s Stadium?’ Slick moveVikings stadium plan must overcome Minneapolis City Council obstacle Ramsey County Commissioner Tony Bennett said the Minnesota Vikings stadium package unveiled by the governor’s office on Thursday was a disappointing slap in the face to the east metro.

    The past few months he’s watched as years of work to bring the Vikings to Arden Hills slip away as politicians favored a downtown Minneapolis location. They said the Ramsey County plan to build at a polluted ammunition plant site was too expensive and required new taxes.

    Now that the Minneapolis plan is out, Bennett questions whether the downtown Minneapolis site will truly be cheaper.

    “I think there’s a lot of questions out there,” Bennett continued, while noting that the decommissioned Twin Cities Army Ammunition Plant in Arden Hills underwent far more intense scrutiny.

    Under the Minneapolis plan, critics note that the state’s contribution has grown to $398 million, which could double after including interest over the life of the 30-year bonds. Infrastructure costs such as parking ramps have not been spelled out. And there’s questions about whether the plan forces state taxpayers to foot too much of the bill for cost overruns.

    The $1.1 billion Arden Hills proposal never won the full support of the governor’s office or made it past key lawmakers, though it would have cleaned up hundreds of polluted acres and returned them to the tax rolls.

    But Minneapolis, too, has “a lot of hurdles,” Bennett said, noting some City Council members have expressed a reluctance to support the spending.
    “If they’re at $975 million, they’re almost up to what our price was,” Bennett said.

  51. By DRS on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    Minnesota Vikings President Mark Wilf: “We’re going to get a lot better”

    By Jeremy Fowler

    jfowler@pioneerpress.comtwincities.com

    Posted: 03/01/2012 12:01:00 AM CST

    March 1, 2012 6:33 PM GMT Updated: 03/01/2012 12:33:31 PM CST

    The push for a new stadium in Minnesota – outlined Thursday in a formal announcement of a $975 million plan among the Vikings, the city of Minneapolis, the state and Gov. Mark Dayton to build the team’s new home in Minneapolis – hasn’t stopped Vikings ownership from contributing to recent football operations.

    Team President Mark Wilf said he was in Indianapolis for the NFL scouting combine, which began last week and ended Tuesday.

    The Vikings have up to 10 draft picks and at least $10 million in salary cap space entering free agency on March 13. Mark Wilf and owner Zygi WIlf are involved in crafting the team’s long-term vision for the roster, a project spearheaded by newly appointed general manager Rick Spielman.

    “We have a lot of picks,” said Wilf from Dayton’s office in St. Paul after the stadium news conference. “We’re going to get a lot better.”

  52. By DRS on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    Vikings’ Adrian Peterson is doing swimmingly

    By Jeremy Fowler

    jfowler@pioneerpress.comtwincities.com

    Posted: 03/01/2012 12:01:00 AM CST

    March 1, 2012 10:52 PM GMT Updated: 03/01/2012 04:52:11 PM CST

    Minnesota Vikings NFL football running back Adrian Peterson speaks to reporters a few weeks after he underwent surgery to repair a torn ACL and MCL on Friday, Jan. 13, 2012, in Eden Prairie, Minn. Peterson expressed optimism that he will be able to start the 2012 football season. (AP Photo/Jim Mone) (Jim Mone)

    Minnesota Vikings running back Adrian Peterson is running, after all.

    In a pool, that is.

    Peterson tried some light running through the water early this week at Vikings headquarters as part of his rehabilitation program from a torn left anterior cruciate ligament, according to his father, Nelson.

    Two weeks ago, Peterson raised some concern when he told KFXN-FM he planned to start running Feb. 28 – presumably outside of a pool. Last week at the NFL scouting combine, Vikings coach Leslie Frazier said he didn’t want Peterson to rush the process, that the running back needed to remain patient, that he had talked to Peterson about it.

    Peterson is splitting time between Houston and Minnesota during the offseason. He is in Minnesota for the week, possibly longer.

  53. By DRS on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=vikings+new+stadium&qpvt=vikings+new+stadium&FORM=IGRE

  54. By Mr. Deeds on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    No matter what stadium the Vikings play in they will always be a joke. This franchise will never run with the big dogs like New England, Pitsburgh, and Green Bay. Even Detroit got a stadium! They are pathetic! If the Vikings win the Super Bowl in the next three years they will earn the respect of NFL fans, but I highly doubt they will due to their self destructive nature. Hey, there’s always the Twins!

  55. By DRS on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    Vikings stadium plan faces tough sell in Legislature

    By Doug Belden

    dbelden@pioneerpress.comtwincities.com

    Posted: 03/01/2012 12:01:00 AM CST

    March 2, 2012 3:6 AM GMT Updated: 03/01/2012 09:06:12 PM CST

    The Legislature isn’t the only obstacle facing the proposal. It’s unsure whether backers have built a majority on the Minneapolis City Council to support the plan.

    Rybak and Ted Mondale, chair of the Metropolitan Sports Facilities Commission and Dayton’s key stadium negotiator, said at least one issue for the city – a charter provision requiring a citywide vote if more than $10 million is used for a sports facility – would be rendered moot.

    “The sales taxes are collected by the state and kept by the state,” Mondale said. “The city never touches it from a legal standpoint.”

    The state would take a portion of the sales tax revenue needed to support the stadium, Rybak said.

    Companion legislation would be introduced to give the city control over the remainder of the sales tax revenue. That money would use for economic development, including the $135 million Target Center renovation and continued support of the convention center, he said.

    If both the stadium bill and the companion bill pass the Legislature, Rybak said, they’ll be taken up by the council.

    “Every single politician is now going to have to make a tough decision, and the decision is really about the question of what are we going to be as a state?” he said.

    Among the other elements of the deal:

    — The fixed-roof stadium would be modeled after the Colts’ stadium in Indianapolis. A retractable roof could be added if done without additional public money. Such a roof would be necessary if a plan to attract a Major League Soccer team pans out.

    — A public plaza is planned facing downtown Minneapolis. The site plan includes a block owned by the Star Tribune newspaper and some land owned by the Wilfs.

    — The stadium is owned and operated by a public stadium authority, with three members appointed by the governor and two by Minneapolis.

    — Team plays in Dome through 2014 and the University of Minnesota’s TCF Bank Stadium in 2015 before the new stadium opens in 2016.

    — Vikings commit to 30-year lease and keep naming rights and other team-related revenue; other revenues go to stadium authority.

    Doug Belden can be reached at 651-228-5136.

  56. By DRS on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/141025593.html

  57. By Viking-ology on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

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  63. By Shawn on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Look what I found … Vikings all time 3rd rounders

    http://www.dailynorseman.com/2012/3/1/2838180/minnesota-vikings-all-time-draft-round-3

  64. By NovaScotiaVike on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    @ Candyjing, I found true love with the Minnesota Vikings. I think they be the best profile out there since 1968. I think they be the most attractive team and is a some beauty out there seeking sweet Cougar member………Having “said” that, please go the h3ll back to whatever dank, germ-infested rathole website you came from, and practice your pathetic excuse for English somewhere else.

  65. By NovaScotiaVike on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Then Vikings.com much very happy will be.

  66. By ozzinator on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Bwaa, ha ha ha ha ha ha , Nova!

  67. By NovaScotiaVike on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Much very OZ thanx.

  68. By Rocksalt on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    DRS-
    the legislator’s and city council member’s votes should be a a pert of public record somewhere, so the ones that vote no on the stadium deal should be clearly identified.

  69. By DRS on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Rocksalt, 100% with you on that.

  70. By DRS on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Rocksalt, MN Viking fans who live in state should find out who voted no and remove them from office. That of course is just my opinion.

  71. By NovaScotiaVike on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    And behead them. That of course is just my opinion.

  72. By DRS on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2012/03/01/vikings-stadium-minneapolis-city-council-reax/?refid=0

    WHERE THEY STAND:

    Ward 1: Kevin Reich — Undecided
    Ward 2: Cam Gordon — Opposes
    Ward 3: Diane Hofstede — Supports
    Ward 4: Barbara Johnson — Supports
    Ward 5: Don Samuels — Supports
    Ward 6: Robert Lilligren — Opposes
    Ward 7: Lisa Goodman — Opposes plan
    Ward 8: Elizabeth Glidden — Opposed previous plan
    Ward 9: Gary Schiff — Opposes plan
    Ward 10: Meg Tuthill — Undecided
    Ward 11: John Quincy — Supports plan
    Ward 12: Sandy Colvin Roy — Opposed previous plan
    Ward 13: Betsy Hodges — Opposed previous plan

  73. By DRS on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Vikings stadium meets skeptical Minneapolis City Council

    by Curtis Gilbert, Minnesota Public Radio,

    Jon Collins, Minnesota Public Radio

    March 1, 2012

    The major sticking point for a number of council members is the Minneapolis City Charter.

    Seven members of the 13-member Minneapolis City Council have previously said they oppose funding for a stadium without a public referendum, which the city charter requires. That’s the municipal equivalent of a constitution. Minneapolis voters amended the charter in 1997 to require voter approval before the city can spend more than $10 million to finance a professional sports facility.

  74. By DRS on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    I hope the state and the Vikings are not wasting their time with this plan just to have Minneapolis vote it down, Adren Hills is will to go with a plan at this time. MN and the Vikings do not waste your time and take the chance that this will not work, forcing you the Vikings to move, Go with Adren Hills, they are willing to work with you, and Minneapolis is not, that is clear to me at this time.

  75. By DRS on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Sorry that should have been willing not will. And that should have been Arden Hills not Adren Hills, Sorry for any miss spellings; I hope it is not going to be one of them days.

  76. By DRS on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    LOL and Have a great day, Go Vikings, here is to hope we get a new stadium soon.

  77. By DRS on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    http://www.foxsportsnorth.com/03/01/12/The-voting-not-the-waiting-is-the-hardes/landing_mnvikings.html?blockID=677890&feedID=5930

    “The time has come for Minnesota to make a decision,” Rep. Morrie Lanning said. “Minnesota needs to decide whether or not we in fact do want to keep this team in Minnesota. I do. I’m committed to that. We want to do everything we can to keep them here and we believe that we have a plan now that stands the best chance of our being successful in getting legislative approval for this new facility to be built.”

    Lanning said he has heard from many of his fellow legislators, some who approve and some who aren’t convinced. But he added it’s hard for true opinions to be revealed until all the facts are presented. Eventually, those facts will comprise a bill that will be voted on.

    The toughest opposition might come from the Minneapolis City Council. Members of the Council reportedly have been hesitant to make this decision, instead hoping for a public vote

  78. By DRS on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    The true question is, do the people of Minnesota want the Vikings to stay in Minnesota or do they want them to leave for someplace else? The NFL will at sometime stop subsidizing the Vikings and the team needs to make a profit to keep going, so what will it be Minnesota? The Minnesota Vikings or where ever Vikings, have to go now, God bless you all.

  79. By LarsonFamily on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    I can’t believe the Vikings decided to stick with “Fixed” roof. It is like we are building another metrodome but without the “balloon” roof. What is wrong with retraceable roof? How come Jerry Jone, the Cowboys owner gets to have that and we dont? You know all the MLS soccer teams/owners does not like roof and they perferabbly a retraceable roof? How would tthe owner of the Vikings, Wilf, gets to drag these MLS in minneapolis when they dont like retraceable roof? That don’t make sense whatsoever.Also it is only down by 860 millions if I am not mistaken, to get an retraceable roof. That is so Minnesota, always buy cheap stuff and no wonder we will never get the superbowl. I might as well have to hope for the best for the South Dakota to build their professional teams because that is the team I am going to root for. I can’t wait for them to build one because I’ll be gone off the Minnesota map and head to South Dakota for a living. Did you know South Dakota invented the names of “Vikings” for the Minnesota? Did you know Minnesota Vikings used to played in South Dakota while they build their Metrodome? Lol. Minnesota is a fool and will always be. I am just so disappointed.

  80. By numbbird on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Because Dallas is a huge market that actually cares about their teams and would pay a ton to go to games.

  81. By Carl K on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Right now I think the main focus is on location, keeping costs down, and getting a bill passed. I would think construction details would have some subjectivity to change as needed. If the NFL or Vikings wanted a retractable roof and were willing to pay for it after this bill would pass… I am sue it could be done. Debating over a roof at this point would only slow this already slow process down!

  82. By NovaScotiaVike on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    #1…..Jerry Jones financed his ” Palace in Dallas”……#2…….The Vikings never played in South Dakota, they went from Bloomington to the Metrodome.

  83. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    By Larsonfamily:

    Did you know Minnesota Vikings used to played in South Dakota while they build their Metrodome?

    HUH? HA HA HA HA.

  84. By NovaScotiaVike on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Unbelieveable.

  85. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    What is one of the most basic numbers fans/people look at when a stadium is shown by the “numbers”? What is the seating capacity of this new design? Maybe I did not see it in the article. Wobble said the new stadium will be 70% larger than the dome– I doubt that references the seating.

  86. By NorthwoodsVikesFan on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Everyone together now:

    r e t r a c T a b l e

  87. By DRS on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    https://secure3.convio.net/activ8/site/Advocacy?cmd=display&page=UserAction&id=296

    Session 2012: Contact State Legislators

  88. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Slow down Nova; I cannot keep pace.

  89. By NovaScotiaVike on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    From Wikipedia Cowboy Stadium,originally estimated to cost $650 million, the stadium’s current construction cost was $1.15 billion,[13] making it one of the most expensive sports venues ever built. To aid Cowboys owner and general manager Jerry Jones in paying the construction costs of the new stadium, Arlington voters approved the increase of the city’s sales tax by 0.5 percent, the hotel occupancy tax by 2 percent, and car rental tax by 5 percent. The City of Arlington provided over $325 million (including interest) in bonds as funding,[13][14] and Jones covered any cost overruns. Also, the NFL provided the Cowboys with an additional $150 million loan, as per their policy for facilitating financing for the construction of new stadiums.[15]

  90. By NorthwoodsVikesFan on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    The arguement/opinion that the Vikes are not an “outdoor team” anymore is laughable. The Purple People Eaters of the 70s were not an outdoor team until they started playing outdoors.

    Three things come to mind:

    1 – It wouldn’t take long to “become” an outdoor team if an open stadium were built – just takes practice.

    2 – By the time an open stadium were built, the Vikings would have such a roster turnover that the team would be a sh ell of itself – most of the current people accustomed to playing indoors will be gone, and that would make becoming an outdoor team happen even faster.

    3 – Since the plans are for a fixed-roof, it’s a moot point.

  91. By NovaScotiaVike on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    All that and they’re still stuck with Romo

  92. By DRS on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    By DRS on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    http://prod.static.vikings.clubs.nfl.com/assets/docs/stadium/DES-terms-of-agreement.pdf

    Stadium Builder’s Licenses (SBL)

    The Authority shall own and retain the exclusive rights to sell SBLs to the Stadium. The Authority shall retain the Team to act as the Authority’s agent in marketing and selling such licenses.

    Metropolitan Council Review Waiver of Metropolitan Council Significance Review. Seating Capacity Approximately 65,000 (expandable to 72,000)
    Premium Seating Inventory Approximately 150 suites and 7,500 club seats

  93. By Shawn on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    i read in one of those articles about the stadium that it will be similar to the colts stadium.

  94. By New Vike on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Speilman needs to get on the phone with LaRon Landry! He is getting no attention as a high end free agentand I believe he would be a great signing for the Vikes.

  95. By NovaScotiaVike on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    That would be tampering.

  96. By DRS on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    By DRS on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    Vikings stadium plan faces tough sell in Legislature

    By Doug Belden

    dbelden@pioneerpress.comtwincities.com

    Posted: 03/01/2012 12:01:00 AM CST

    March 2, 2012 3:6 AM GMT Updated: 03/01/2012 09:06:12 PM CST

    The Legislature isn’t the only obstacle facing the proposal. It’s unsure whether backers have built a majority on the Minneapolis City Council to support the plan.

    Rybak and Ted Mondale, chair of the Metropolitan Sports Facilities Commission and Dayton’s key stadium negotiator, said at least one issue for the city – a charter provision requiring a citywide vote if more than $10 million is used for a sports facility – would be rendered moot.

    “The sales taxes are collected by the state and kept by the state,” Mondale said. “The city never touches it from a legal standpoint.”

    The state would take a portion of the sales tax revenue needed to support the stadium, Rybak said.

    Companion legislation would be introduced to give the city control over the remainder of the sales tax revenue. That money would use for economic development, including the $135 million Target Center renovation and continued support of the convention center, he said.

    If both the stadium bill and the companion bill pass the Legislature, Rybak said, they’ll be taken up by the council.

    “Every single politician is now going to have to make a tough decision, and the decision is really about the question of what are we going to be as a state?” he said.

    Among the other elements of the deal:

    – The fixed-roof stadium would be modeled after the Colts’ stadium in Indianapolis. A retractable roof could be added if done without additional public money. Such a roof would be necessary if a plan to attract a Major League Soccer team pans out.

    – A public plaza is planned facing downtown Minneapolis. The site plan includes a block owned by the Star Tribune newspaper and some land owned by the Wilfs.

    – The stadium is owned and operated by a public stadium authority, with three members appointed by the governor and two by Minneapolis.

    – Team plays in Dome through 2014 and the University of Minnesota’s TCF Bank Stadium in 2015 before the new stadium opens in 2016.

    – Vikings commit to 30-year lease and keep naming rights and other team-related revenue; other revenues go to stadium authority.

    Doug Belden can be reached at 651-228-5136

  97. By Shawn on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Franchised

    WR- Desean Jackson :) by Eagles

    CB- Brent Grimes —- by Falcons … making MLB Curtis Lofton a FA

    SS- Tyvon Branch — by the Raiders :(

  98. By DRS on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    https://secure3.convio.net/activ8/site/Advocacy?cmd=display&page=UserAction&id=296

    Session 2012: Contact State Legislators

    The Vikings have reached an agreement with Minneapolis Mayor R.T. Rybak, Governor Mark Dayton and State leaders on a proposal to build a new publicly-owned stadium at the current Metrodome site. This deal, however, is contingent on legislative approval and the support of the 13-member Minneapolis City Council.

    It is once again time to make your voice heard!

    For over a decade legislators have discussed a new publicly-owned stadium for the State of Minnesota and the Vikings. The time has come to make this decade-long dream a reality.

    We can’t do it without your help. Your voice really does make a difference! Please take a moment to let our State leaders know that building a new facility will create jobs, have a significant economic impact on our State, help maintain the great quality of life we currently enjoy and retain our status as a major league city.

    Some points to keep in mind:

    Building a new publicly-owned, multi-purpose stadium for the State and the Vikings will provide a resource for Minnesota that can host year-round events, including high school sports and community programs from across the state, and national events like Major League Soccer, NCAA Final Fours and a Super Bowl.

    According to Mortenson Construction, this project will support thousands of full and part-time jobs, including 7,500 construction jobs, during the three year construction period. The stadium will require nearly 4.3 million work hours, including 900,000 in the first 12 months of construction. Also according to Mortenson Construction, nearly $300 million of the overall project costs are wages for construction workers.

    Over 90% of the total materials and labor costs is expected to go back to Minnesotans.

    According to Convention, Sports & Leisure (CSL), the State of Minnesota will collect $26 million annually from Vikings-related sales and player income taxes in the first year of stadium operation.

    The Vikings play an important role in the quality of life for many Minnesotans; approximately 3 million Minnesotans follow Vikings games each Sunday. We need to retain this cultural asset.

    The Vikings help generate the image of a first-class community in Minnesota. The Twin Cities market is a great destination that offers a variety of entertainment options, including professional sports.

    Building a new home for Vikings football will give fans a state-of-the-art venue that features wider concourses, maximized sideline seating, easily accessible concessions, more restrooms and an enhanced overall game day experience. The facility will also help the Vikings generate the revenue necessary to keep the team competitive over the long term.

    If a new stadium is built, the Vikings will sign a contract committing to stay in Minnesota for the next 30 years upon its opening.

    Feel free to include any personal experiences or stories related to these areas. But, remember your overall message should be short and to the point.

    Recipients

    Your State Senator or Senators

    Your State Representative or Representatives

    Targeted recipients based on your address

  99. By NovaScotiaVike on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    I wonder why Major League Soccer insists on open-air stadiums ?……Must be in case God is watching, He can fall asleep too.

  100. By Shawn on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Some guy named Matt Miller made this mock draft and except for 1 pick I kind of like it

    pick 3 … LT- Matt Kalil

    pick 35 … DT- Devon Still

    pick 67 … CB- Chase Minnifield

    pick 99 … WR Tommy Streeter

    pick 131 … WR Marvin McNutt

    pick 195 … DE Donte Paige-Moss (this is the one i dont get)

    pick 208 … FB Evan Rodriguez

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1087857-minnesota-vikings-2012-mock-draft-buying-or-selling-matt-millers-latest-picks

  101. By DRS on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Good one NovaScotiaVike, maybe unlike NFL Football they like things to be real.
    IMO Football should be played in the open, not in some room.

    Viking have been to 4 SB’s; 4 while they played in the old MET, and 0 while they played in the Dome, would it not be interesting if they went to and won the SB while playing at the TCF stadium?

  102. By Shawn on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    According to this site Phil Loadholt ranks 12th at RT

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1074106-br-nfl-1000-top-32-right-tackles

  103. By DRS on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    http://www.ninersnation.com/2012/2/20/2811158/2012-nfl-free-agency-previewing-the-minnesota-vikings

    2012 NFL Free Agency: Previewing the Minnesota Vikings

    by WesHanson on Feb 20, 2012 10:00 AM PST in 49ers Opponents

    Andy King – AP.

    The Minnesota Vikings were so sure that an aging, well over the hill, QB could lead them deep into the playoffs that they tried to wine and dine Brett Favre so hard core. They even gave Donovan McNabb a job last year. Seriously. Look it up. That actually happened.

    But, after a while, they handed the proverbial reigns to one C-h-r-i-s-t-i-a-n Ponder and pretty much never looked back. And while the kid showed enough of a skill set to get excited about next year, if they do not throw him a bone in FA, he won’t be able to take that next step.

    Probably one of the biggest questions facing the Vikings this offseason is whether or not Adrian Peterson will come back from his knee surgery as the same running back. That’s the type of injury which can end a career. I don’t really know how active the Vikings will be in FA in this regard, and my gut tells me that they will probably stand pat and be hopeful, but you never know.

    Rather, the Vikings offense has more pressing needs. Need numero uno should be shoring up the o-line for Ponder. Nothing hurts a young QB more than constant pressure. Give him some blockers and let the game slow down for him a bit.

    Secondly, the Vikings should get him some help on the outside. Snagging an effective receiver in FA would help a lot. While this is a FA preview post, it is interesting to note here that the Vikings may have a short at Matt Kalil and Justin Blackmon in the draft, two guys who would fill these needs. I wonder if their draft slot will affect how aggressively they pursue one position over the other in FA.

    Defensively, the Vikings need to shore up their secondary. It’s hard to be in a division with the Lions and Packers and not have a top-notch secondary. One would think that a team with such pass rush abilities would be able to have a better pass defense in general, but the Vikings really struggled last year.

    Restricted Free Agents: RB Lorenzo Booker, LB Kenny Onatolu.

    Unrestricted Free Agents: QB Sage Rosenfels, WR Devin Aromashodu, WR Greg Camarillo, TE Jimmy Kleinsasser, TE Visanthe Shiancoe, OL Scott Kooistra, DT Fred Evans, DT Letroy Guion, LB Xavier Adibi, LB E.J. Henderson, LB Erin Henderson, CB Benny Sapp, S Husain Abdullah, S Tyrell Johnson, S Jarrad Page, LS Matt Katula.

  104. By DRS on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    The Vikings needs have not changed from that last posting of mine. # 1 need is O-line man, # 2 need is WR, #3 Need is Defense, and above all we need a new stadium. I would like one someplace else then the twin cities, but what the hay, just get one and get it now, MN stop playing games with this issue.

  105. By New Vike on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Honestly would the Vikes be any worse off if all 18 free agents walk? I wouldnt lose a wink of sleep if nobody was retained, however they should make a play for Erin Henderson as long as he doesnt cost too much.

  106. By New Vike on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    I also love EJ Henderson and the way he plays the game. I would like to see him back at a cheap price, but purely business side, I wouldnt fight too hard to retain his diminishing services.

  107. By DRS on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Well it is time for me to go to town so every one have agreat day.

  108. By Troutdaddy on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    I hope the new stadium goes through. I am kinda surprised to hear people say that the “fans have spoken” and they want an outdoor stadium??? Really? Every single one of the season ticket holders I know prefer the indoors. Minnesota has enough cold to deal with on a regular basis. From what I hear,the fans like the fact that they can watch the game comfortably. Retractable roof = more moving parts = more maintenance = more $$$. I think it would be a better option to keep it indoors as that is how it has been for a long time now. I know my vote doesn’t even count here as I do not live in Minnesota, but I do live in a very wintery state with no NFL team so as long as the Vikes get a place to play in Minnesota that works, I will be very happy for them. That is the main point, right? Keep em there! Unless they want to come here to Utah….(everyone just groaned… I heard it…) I bleed Purple…Nuf said.

  109. By NorthwoodsVikesFan on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Steelers cut Farrior for cap space. He would be a nice addition.

  110. By Goldngo4 on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    I think is is great that after all the back and forth on the Stadium that they finally have agree on a package that will work. I live in San Francisco but am I Vikings fan, the 49ers are also building a new stadium and they are receiviing, I beleive about $250m from the NFL to help bulid the stadium, my question is why are the Vikings not getting and money from the NFL to help build their Stadium. I like that the stadium will be publicly owed, they should sell non-voting shares to the people of the State of Minnesota just like the do in Green Bay, just think how much addtional funds can be rasied by doing this as another way to raise funds. I would have preferred that the Stadium be bulit in Arden Hills with a retractible roof, but when all is said in done, The VIKINGS will remain in MN for another 30 years. Who will get the naming rights to the Stadium (3M, Best Buy, Delta, etc) just hope it in not another Target backed venue.

  111. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Why is Delta in that list? Their headquarters are in Atlanta.

  112. By Mike B. on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    I knew the Vikings and MN would make a deal. The team has become part of MN lore. The NFL didn’t want to lose this market, but wanted a first class facility. Looks like the facility will be first class even with the parking issues. I am wondering how the plan is going to work that the team will be in TCF only one year. The new stadium is almost in half of the old one’s footprint. The city of Minneapolis will back it. I have no worries there. They have an elephant (empty metrodome) if the Vikings leave the city. This plan covers the destruction of the old and brings in a new Stadium with a 30 year contract. I hope the State of MN makes sure to get the Vikings name in the deal. Baroohhh Great Day

  113. By Mike B. on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    I hope they call it “The People’s Stadium”. Sounds great.

  114. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    I think the stadium should be called Chillydome.

  115. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Moss Field at the Chillydome.

  116. By DRS on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

  117. By LarsonFamily on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    The Vikings Played their first game, an exhibition game, against the Dallas Cowboys on August 5,1961. The game was played at Howard Field in Sioux Falls, South Dakota.

  118. By LarsonFamily on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    The Vikings won their first regular-season game, defeating the Chicago Bears 37-13 on Opening Day 1961.

  119. By LarsonFamily on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Look it up on the internet it says Vikings played their first game in Sioux Falls. Sorry I know more than you do guys. Sorry to burst your bubbles.

  120. By LarsonFamily on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    I am from Sioux Falls and the Vikings is all they talked about. They constantly complaining about “we should not give them names, we should not let them play in our home while their stadium is build”. They took advantage of us with us paying taxes when they were in Sioux Falls.

  121. By LarsonFamily on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    The 2nd year they played in Bloomington. It doesn’t take a year to built a metrodome, we kicked them out of our home and they forced the team to play in Bloomington where it has 22 thousand seats lol.

  122. By LarsonFamily on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    So techinically South Dakota is the one that gave the team its name since they were using our football field. It was part of the deal in 1961. After they had the worst seasong 3-11, we decided to ship them out and deal with their final 2 years in Bloomington until the Metrodome is build. Look it up on the internet it has the History of Minnesota.

  123. By LarsonFamily on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    I tried to paste the articles and it wont let me for some reason. Something is blocking me from pasting it over on this blog.

  124. By Spencer *3 Days* on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    I knew something was up. Adam Schefter reported on Twitter that 22-27 players on the Saints(including 1 coach) had a bounty on Brett Favre in the NFC Championship. Goodell is reviewing the case and the Saints could suffer some penalties if founded guilty.

    I knew the Saints were a bunch of Dirty F-cks !! I want everyone who participated in this disgusting act fined, or suspended !! Especially that Piece of Sh-t Tracy Porter !!!

  125. By Spencer *3 Days* on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Apparently former D-Coordinator Gregg Williams was the Head Hancho in this Head-Hunting Bounty Sh-t.

    I hope teams go after Brees’s knees this year. Karmas a B-tch !!

  126. By NorthwoodsVikesFan on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Hey Larson – why don’t you look up the year the metrodome was built. I can guarantee you it WASN’T 1961.

  127. By LarsonFamily on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    I didn’t say the Metrodome is built in 1961.

  128. By LarsonFamily on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Why dont you friggin look it up before you say something re-arded.

  129. By DRS on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

  130. By LarsonFamily on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Metrodome isn’t build til 1964 I believe.

  131. By Spencer *3 Days* on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    You know what would be pretty cool? If we were allowed to give ‘Thumbs up’ or ‘Thumbs down’ on comments. @Mike Wobschall- Make it happen !

  132. By LarsonFamily on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    The Vikings is IN SIOUX FALLS in 1961. Is that where the Metrodome is at? No re-ard. They were in SIOUX FALLS while the state of Minnesota built their Metrodome. The Vikings does not have a place to play while they are waiting for the stadium. Instead they played in SIOUX FALLS in 1961. The Stadium has not completed until April 3rd, 1983 I believe.

  133. By LarsonFamily on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    It wasn’t 1964, my bad. They are still in Bloomington at the time in 1964.

  134. By Spencer *3 Days* on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Larson, you and Frederick Jones both have one thing in common- You guys have a habit of arguing with yourselves.

  135. By DRS on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

  136. By DRS on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    LarsonFamily, do you not mean the metropolitan stadium? You keep saying metro dome.

  137. By LarsonFamily on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    First football game played in August 21st, 1982. Minnesota against Seattle Seahawks.

  138. By LarsonFamily on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Yes Metropolin stadium, DRS. sorry I knew it wasn’t the dome til 1982.

  139. By LarsonFamily on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Yes DRS. I meant Metropolian Stadium. I knew Metro Dome was built in 1982.

  140. By LarsonFamily on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    The Blog is fked up.

  141. By LarsonFamily on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    But you know what I am saying. This Blog is frustrating me and it makes me go nuts lol

  142. By LarsonFamily on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Alright let me correct it since this blog is broken. Vikings first year season they played in Sioux Falls. After their first losing season as a 3-11. They were shipped to Bloomington while they await for a stadium in Meteropolian. After several years they moved in the Meteropolian until they awaits for the Metrodome in 1982. Now please blog dont make me type this again.

  143. By LarsonFamily on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    I thought you left Spencer?

  144. By DRS on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Metropolitan Stadium From Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaJump to: navigation, search Metropolitan Stadium

    The Met, Met Stadium” , “Old Met

    Location 8000 Cedar Ave. South, Bloomington, Minnesota

    Coordinates 44°51′16″N 93°14′31″W / 44.85444°N 93.24194°W / 44.85444; -93.24194Coordinates: 44°51′16″N 93°14′31″W / 44.85444°N 93.24194°W / 44.85444; -93.24194

    Broke ground June, 1955

    Opened April 24, 1956

    Closed December 20, 1981

    Demolished January 28, 1985

    Owner City of Minneapolis (1956-1977)

    Metropolitan Sports Facilities Commission (1977-1981)

    Surface Grass

    Construction cost US$8.5 million

    ($72.7 million in 2012 dollars[1])

    Architect Tepper Engineering

    Capacity Baseball: 18,200 (1956)

    30,637 (1961)

    40,000 (1964)

    45,919 (1975)

    Football: 48,446

    Field dimensions Left Field – 343 ft (105 m)

    Left-Center – 365 ft (111 m)

    Center Field – 402 ft (123 m)

    Right-Center – 370 ft (110 m)

    Right Field – 330 ft (100 m)

    Backstop – 60 ft (18 m)

    Wall – 8 feet (2.4 m)

    Tenants

    Minneapolis Millers (AA) (1956-1960)

    Minnesota Twins (MLB) (1961-1981)

    Minnesota Vikings (NFL) (1961-1981)

    Minnesota Kicks (NASL) (1976-1981)

    Metropolitan Stadium (often referred to as “the Met”, “the Ice Palace” when the Minnesota Vikings played, “Met Stadium”, or now “the Old Met” to distinguish from the Metrodome) was a sports stadium that once stood in Bloomington, Minnesota, just outside Minneapolis. The area where the stadium once stood is now the site of the Mall of America. The Minneapolis Millers minor league baseball team played at Met Stadium from 1956 to 1960. The Minnesota Twins and the Minnesota Vikings then played at the “Met” from 1961 to 1981. The NASL soccer team Minnesota Kicks also played there from 1976 to 1981.

  145. By LarsonFamily on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Ok that is from wikipedia. Why dont you go look it up on Yahoo.com and type Where did the Vikings first game played in 1961.

  146. By LarsonFamily on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Find it DRS its there. I can’t get it to pasted it over here which is lame. Type Did the Vikings played in Sioux Falls in 1961? Youll find bunch of articles about it.

  147. By LarsonFamily on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Its August 5th 1961.

  148. By LarsonFamily on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Its on Haward Wood Field.

  149. By LarsonFamily on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Why it wont let me fkn paste it over here? Wtf

  150. By OTKalil2012 on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    FINALLY !!!….Sean Payton…”What comes around…Goes around”….Saints are found GUILTY of using the “Bounty system” on their defense…For the last 3 seasons !!!…I always thought the Saints have been dirty players….Now the NFL has to lead an investigation as to WHY the referee’s had their heads turned the last 3 seasons this was going on ???…NFL live reported the news around 3 oclock today…

  151. By DRS on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Howard Wood Field From Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaJump to: navigation, search Howard Wood Field is a stadium in Sioux Falls, South Dakota, constructed in 1957.[1] Holding 10,000 people, it is one of the premier American football and track facilities in the region. Field turf was installed to replace the natural grass after a renovation project in 2003.[2]

    EventsHoward Wood Field is host to the Howard Wood Dakota Relays, an extended weekend of collegiate and High School track and field,and soccer competition.[3] Howard Wood Field serves as host for the Bob Burns Dakota Bowl, an annual fundraiser for O’Gorman High School, which is a Catholic school in Sioux Falls, South Dakota.

    The Bob Burns Dakota Bowl is focused around an American Football game between O’Gorman High School and another team chosen on a year by year basis. Additionally, Howard Wood Field is also host to the President’s Bowl American football games.

    The President’s Bowl serves as a fundraiser for extra curricular activities for the Sioux Falls, South Dakota public High Schools. From 1993 through 2006 over $1.3 million has been raised from this annual set of football games. The stadium also serves as host to other track events as well as marching band competitions.

    The Minnesota Vikings played their first game, an exhibition against the Dallas Cowboys on Aug. 5, 1961, at Howard Wood Field.[4] Legendary local football coach, Bob Burns, promoted the game.

    On September 26, 2007, Augustana College announced it would no longer call Howard Wood Field home, after a $6.1 million donation was given to allow the college to build an on-campus football facility, called the Kirkeby–Over Stadium.[5] The school played at Wood Field from 1958 to 2008

  152. By OTKalil2012 on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    I bet the Saints lose all their draft picks for this springs draft…And a SUPER HUGE fine to go with that also….: )

  153. By DRS on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    It was an exhibition game; the Vikings were not based there.

  154. By LarsonFamily on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Thank you DRS.

  155. By OTKalil2012 on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Showing picks of the game the Saints tried to cripple Favre on TV right now…The “Bounty” was on suring that championship game…But again…Why did the ref’s allow it ???….

  156. By LarsonFamily on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Still they played in Sioux Falls first before they headed to Minnesota for their home base.

  157. By DRS on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    LarsonFamily, I would not mind seeing the Vikings play in Sioux Falls, My home town is Bellingham MN, which is north of Worthington MN, I have always like SF SD and think the Vikings would have all the room they would need to build a grand stadium but we all know that will not happen.

  158. By OTKalil2012 on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Williams is the Defensive coach for the Saints who started the “bounty program” up for the Saints…J Fisher just hired the dude to be his defensive coordinator for the Rams….This is going to be a huge story…Maybe they will lose Brees now also…He might not want to be linked to the scandal ???

  159. By OTKalil2012 on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    The hoody must be happy…This is 10 times more dirty than his “spy gate” story…Having a team pay a bounty to take out players with injury ??…And the bounty pot was up over 50,000 dollars the year they won the super bowl…

  160. By LarsonFamily on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    I hear you, DRS.

  161. By DRS on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    NFL: Saints facing punishment for ‘bounty’ program

    The Sports Xchange

    38 minutes ago

    An NFL investigation produced “troubling” findings that between 22 and 27 defensive players on the New Orleans Saints maintained a bounty program during the past three seasons, which was administered by former defensive coordinator Gregg Williams and included payments for injuring opposing players, the league announced Friday.

    According to the league, other defensive coaches had knowledge of the program administered by Williams, who left the Saints in the offseason to join Jeff Fisher as the defensive coordinator of the St. Louis Rams.

    The investigation was conducted by the NFL’s security department and corroborated by multiple independent sources, the league said. It revealed that the program, in violation of NFL rules, was funded mostly by players.

    While head coach Sean Payton was not found to directly participate in the program, “he was aware of the allegations (and) did not make any detailed inquiry or otherwise seek to learn the facts, and failed to stop the program,” the NFL said. “He never instructed his assistant coaches or players that a bounty program was improper and could not continue.”

    Commissioner Roger Goodell will review the findings, which the league said included bonuses for removing opposing players from a game in 2009, 2010 and 2011, and decide on a punishment.

    Penalties could include “fines and suspensions and, in light of the competitive nature of the violation, forfeiture of draft choices,” according to a statement from the league.

    “The payments here are particularly troubling because they involved not just payments for ‘performance,’ but also for injuring opposing players,” Goodell said in a statement. “The bounty rule promotes two key elements of NFL football: player safety and competitive integrity.

  162. By DRS on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    OTKalil2012, I wonder how many other Teams have the same program, paying players to hurt other players.

  163. By DRS on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Have to go and get my child from school, so take care and god bless you all.

  164. By CaribooBill on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    I wonder what Favre thinks of the Saints now – he was very complimentary of them after the NFC final – saying he had always been a Saints fan.
    I predict nothing will come of this.

  165. By Shawn on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Saints should be forced to pick last in every round this season … and maybe the next 2

  166. By DavidP on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    I cannot find the question but someone asked why the Dallas stadium costs just a little over 1 billion and has a retractable roof? The reason Texas is a right to work state and no construction unions were used to build the stadium. The construction cost is the reason no retractable roof in Minnesota and there is one in Dallas. I think they are making a huge mistake not building a retractable roof. Oh well, I hope the dim wits that are called politicians will approve this.

  167. By jdude on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    The Saints are such F****** cheaters. The only way they could think of to win was to f****** injure the two best QB’s in the league at that time. KURT WARNER and BRETT FAVRE. The dirtiest team ever. The vikings diserved that trophy not the aint’s.

  168. By Shawn on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    and if they reveal what we a’ssume that Favre was a target … we should get their first round pick since the hits on Favre clearly cost us the championship

  169. By Shawn on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    ok i got it find out the games and players the hits were on and rank inportance of each game giving each team one of the saints picks according to importance of games

  170. By OTKalil2012 on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Goodell will lower the boom on players involved…The coaches involved…And ownership…Fines,suspensions, and loss of draft picks…This will put the franchise back years…And might even make a QB Brees run for the Hills to leave the black image that will tarnish his legacy…Plenty will happen because of this…And what they have found out so far is just the beginning of this…Not the end of the story…

  171. By Shawn on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    that really p1sses me off … isnt that saints game where they broke favres ankle … WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE SUPER BOWL !!!!!!!!!!!!!! We had a gimpy Favre on the field

  172. By CaribooBill on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    It would be right to strip the SB from them, award it to Indy and strip the NFC title from them and award it to the Vikings.
    Won’t happen!

  173. By Shawn on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    it is … the saints broke favres ankle and favre finished the game hobbling …

    THOSE CHEATERS COST US A SUPER BOWL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  174. By Shawn on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    CUT REMI AYODELE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  175. By Viking33 on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Wasn’t Remi a part of that whole thing?

  176. By Viking33 on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    I think Goodell will make an example out of this situation. He has a good history of No Tolerance and I think as Kalil does he will punish those invloved. I don’t think he will take this lightly as it tarnishes the image of the League, an image that the NFL has tried hard to move away from in past years.

  177. By OTKalil2012 on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Kudos too R Goodell !!!…

    For a story the NFL didn’t try and sweep this outrage under the carpet and hide from the fans !!!…

    Goodell’s list to help clean up the game should continue…Players have to take urine tests…You now are asking them to take blood tests…Trying to keep the game honest within certain guidelines…Why shouldn’t referees have to be tested…Make these guys take lie detector tests…Beginning of the season…At the end of the season….And the NFL should be allowed to test them anytime during the season…Just to make sure money doesn’t influence any decisions made on the field of play…If they don’t like the regulations…Have them get a new job…Because the ones doing it now are terrible at it anyway…They have to be cheating…No one can be that bad !!!

  178. By OTKalil2012 on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    If memory serves me right…When AP came back from his injured ankle….Wasn’t it a Saint player that twisted his ankle late at the bottom of that pile players AP under this season also ???…When AP got mad as h3ll at that guy when he got out from underneath that pile …

  179. By Shawn on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    YES REMI WAS ON THAT TEAM AND HE ROLLED OVER FAVRE ON THE PLAY FAVRE GOT HIS ANKLE BROKE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    THEY ROBBED US OF A SUPER BOWL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    NO WAY WE LOSE THAT GAME WITH A HEALTHY FAVRE REMEMBER ALL HE HAD TO DO WAS RUN BUT HE COULDNT BECAUSE HIS ANKLE WAS BROKE SO HE THREW THE INT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  180. By Shawn on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    YES OTK

    YES V33

  181. By Shawn on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    WATCH 3RD VIDEO DOWN IS THE PLAY THEY BROKE FAVRES ANKLE …

    THERE ARE 3 VIDEOS ITS THE 3RD ONE JUST SCROLL DOWN … REMI ROLLS OVER TOP OF FAVRE

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82757bcd/article/nfl-says-saints-created-bounty-program-from-20092011?module=HP11_headline_stack

  182. By Spencer *3 Days* on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    F-CK EVERY SINGLE SAINTS PLAYER !!!

  183. By Spencer *3 Days* on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    This sure did re-kindle my hatred for the black and gold. Just thinking about that game in 2009 gets my emotions going.

  184. By Viking33 on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Greg Williams with the heart felt apology – he apparently feels really bad now. Ya, funny how people always feel so bad once they are BUSTED!! – What a B-u-t-t-h-e-a-d!!!

    John Clayton thinks $1,000,000 team fine – loss of Draft picks – Fines and Suspension for Coaches and players involved. He thinks it will be bigger than the Patriot Spy Gate”

  185. By Shawn on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Vikings should get one of there draft picks !!!!!!!!!!!!!

  186. By Viking33 on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    I just watched Remi – he doesn’t look Dirty on the play – McCrary does though – that ankle thing he does looks like a Bounty Move to me.

    Remi, he is harmless, but that is why he needs to go. We don’t want a harmless DT.

  187. By Shawn on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    V33 … yea Remi’s action was harmless and yea mccrary took a loow cheap shot.

    but i dont need him reminding me or rubbing his super bowl ring in the faces he took part in cheating to get

  188. By Shawn on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    he got a super bowl ring cheating to beat us then he comes to us and does nothing but remind us of his ring … that the vikings should have

  189. By DRS on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Ex-Florida State QB Chris Rix on the ‘bounty’ Miami had on him
    2011 Florida State football, Atlantic Coast Conference, Bobby Bowden, Chris Rix, ESPN, Florida State, Florida State football, Hurricanes, Nevin Shapiro, Uncategorized, football, miami —

    posted by Coley Harvey on August, 17 2011 9:02 AM

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    Florida State quarterback Chris Rix (in white) goes flying in this 2002 photo during a game against Miami. Although Hurricanes players reportedly had bounties on him, Rix said he never left a UM-FSU game. (Gary W. Green/Orlando Sentinel)

    Now that the Yahoo! Sports report on the wild, rampant ride Miami Hurricanes players received from one “renegade” booster during the 2002-10 seasons has hit, we all now have a few moments to sit back and reflect on what was contained in it.

    I don’t think any of us would argue that the details of the report were, in some cases, vile, disgusting, unconscionable and even bizarre.

    Perhaps the report’s most glaring points, as far as you Florida State fans are concerned, are the revelations Nevin Shapiro — the now-imprisoned, Ponzi-scheming booster involved — made about offering bounties on opposing players. He claims to have offered up to $5,000 to UM defenders during his reign of impropriety if they took out particular players in particular games. FSU quarterback Chris Rix was apparently one of those players who had a bounty looming above his head. Florida’s Tim Tebow also had a bounty taken out on himself, too.

    Shapiro reportedly told former Hurricanes linebacker Jonathan Vilma that if he took Rix out of one of the epic FSU-UM rivalry games back in the early 2000s that he would receive $5,000. He’d receive $2,000 if he put a hard hit on the quarterback.

    Well, apparently Vilma never made his $5,000 …

    “We pounded the (expletive) out of that kid,” Shapiro said of Rix. “Watch the tape of those games. You’ll see so many big hits on him. Guys were all going after that $5,000 in cash. Vilma tried to kill him — just crushed him — a couple of times trying to get that $5,000.

    “And he almost got it, too.”

    Key word being “almost.” According to Rix, he didn’t.

    Larry Brown Sports tracked down Rix late Tuesday evening and got his take on the bounty issue. Rix, who now lives in California and runs the Champion Training Academy, said he remembered taking big hits from the Hurricanes those years. But never recalled being actually taken out of a game.

    Here are a couple of notable quotes from Rix. You can read more from the former ‘Nole by clicking this link.

    “I think every team is gunning for you especially when you’re Florida State and you have a big target on your back,” Rix said. “Especially in a rivalry game like that, I just thought that was part of the Miami-Florida State rivalry. It was hardly surprising because I know how intense those rivalries can be.

    “I do remember a few late hits — some of them were called, some of them weren’t. I remember one specifically in the 2003 BCS Orange Bowl game, after I had thrown a pass (Vilma) came in and led with his hand. He got it inside my facemask and gave me a black eye. I don’t remember that being called as a late hit.

    “Other ones were at the bottom of piles, yelling expletives at you and trying to get their hands in your facemask — get your eye. I’m not the first football player that’s happened to, and I’m not the last. That happens a lot in those rivalry games.”

  190. By Spencer *3 Days* on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    I wondered how much he got paid for this hit?1K?

  191. By Shawn on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    im furious right now gregg williams has admitted it … its not even an investigations anymore. THEY ROBBED US OF A SUPER BOWL TITLE

  192. By DRS on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    I think this is a bigger problem then we think it is.

  193. By Shawn on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    THE CARDINALS AND THE VIKINGS SHOULD EACH GET A SAINTS DRAFT PICK

    VIKINGS BECAUSE THE CHEATING OCCURED IN THE CHAPIONSHIP GAME SHOULD GET THE SAINTS FIRST ROUND PICK

    CARDINALS BECAUSE THAT WAS THE CONCUSSION THAT LED WARNER TO RETIRE SHOULD GET THE SAINTS SECOND ROUND PICK

  194. By Viking33 on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Ahh – they should just have to give us Brees ;)

  195. By OTKalil2012 on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    The Hoody had to pay a million bucks for just taking pictures…I think a franchise that pays money out to injure and cripple players might have to pay a lot more than than 1 million bucks…Especially when the Saints GM that was warned once earlier from Goodell about this same thing…NFL was hinky about what was going on…But could not find enough evidence…The NFL has more than plenty now…Saints didn’t take Goodell’s advice obviously…How foolish is that ???…

  196. By Shawn on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    OTK … Gregg Williams the saints DC has made a public apology … evidence is pointless now. Its 100% true ….

  197. By DRS on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Tough time to be a Saints fan.

    The Saints’ season ended with a feeling of woulda, shoulda, coulda. This next one is likely to begin with a sense of serious regret over the past.

    Just as the team has been struggling to deal with its untenable salary-cap situation comes Friday’s story about defensive players and former defensive coordinator Gregg Williams issuing bounties for injuring opposing players.

    Williams, who left the team following the Saints’ crushing playoff loss to the 49ers in San Francisco, is now with the Rams. He’s certain to be disciplined heavily by NFL commissioner Roger Goodell because the league says it holds coaches to higher standards than the players.

    But worry not: The Saints will get hammered here. Expect draft picks and a lot of cash to end up in the league’s hands.

    The team that already is without its first-round pick and facing some real tough negotiations with Drew Brees (which handcuffs them with their other big-name free agents) is about to lose a lot more.

    This is a franchise that was the darling of the NFL in their playoff runs of 2006 and ’09, the latter of which ended up in a Super Bowl title. Casual fans who otherwise never have been Saints fans and New Orleansians alike loved the Saints’ relentless offense and take-no-prisoners, attacking defense.

    We now know the genesis of that defensive identity. According to the league, in a practice that began in that championship season when Williams joined the team, the Saints put prices on opponents’ heads. The defenders who knocked out those opposing players — such as Kurt Warner in the divisional round of the playoffs or Brett Favre in the NFC championship game — were gifted bounties.

    A regular-season “knockout” netted $1,500, per the reports. Having a player carted off as a result of a hit earned the defensive players $1,000. But the stakes were raised in the postseason, with Warner (who was issued a crushing blow that briefly landed him on the bench) and Favre, who was repeatedly hit after he threw the ball, suffering some vicious hits vs. New Orleans

  198. By OTKalil2012 on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Shawn….Its not just Williams…Its EVERYONE involved…Every player,coach,GM,etc,etc…that was involved…There is no one person taking the blame here…First one to admit being in on this is taking the high road…Because Goodell isn’t going to quit digging until he finds everyone involved….By the time all this comes to pass…Fans might be willing to forgive Williams….Because he at least admitted to it….Lots more dirt to come…And bigger names to follow…

  199. By OTKalil2012 on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    How is the Saints as a team going to handle a 4 game suspension starting the year for the entire defense ???…Maybe even the head coach and staff ???

  200. By Shawn on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    DRS … i dont know enough about the law to be 100% possitive but I think you should remember to add the link or give the writers name to avoid any chance of plagiarism. Again just looking out for you … I could be wrong

  201. By DRS on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Shawn, Ya I miss that now and than, I try to get it evry time.

  202. By Shawn on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    you know it would be one thing to have this story break on regular season games

    BUT THIS ACTIVITY COST US A SUPER BOWL !!!!! OUR ORGANIZATION OUR FANS OUR PLAYERS OUR STATE WAS ROBBED OF A SUPER BOWL

  203. By DRS on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/09000d5d82757e7f/Bounty-Rule-violations

  204. By OTKalil2012 on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    The only way I can see the Saints finding any way of saving their franchise right now…Is for the owner to cut ties with Sean Peyton and his GM…If Goodell sees the owner cut off the heads of the evil that engineered project…The owner can at least save some face for himself and his franchise…At least the owner can claim ignorance to what was going on if he does that…Maybe ???

    Best thing the franchise can do is admit everything from all involved…And throw themselves at the mercy of Roger Goodells court…But bet that doesn’t happen…

  205. By CaribooBill on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    OK – according to what I read, the NFL had given up on this due to lack of evidence. Then, Gregg Williams leaves the Saints and joins the RAMS and , lookee here, all of a sudden there is “new” evidence and guess what, the RAMS will probably benefit from this exposure.
    This whole thing stinks from start to finish!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  206. By DRS on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/11828046.html

    NFL investigating Packers for having bounties; Peterson was one target

    Article by: ASSOCIATED PRESS Updated: November 19, 2007 – 11:45 PM

    NFL officials are investigating whether Green Bay Packers players offered payments to teammates for achieving specific defensive goals.

    NFL officials are investigating whether Green Bay Packers players offered payments to teammates for achieving specific defensive goals.

    League rules prohibit teams and players “from offering or accepting bonuses to a player for his or his team’s performance against a particular team, a particular opposing player or players, or a particular group of an opposing team.”

    League spokesman Greg Aiello confirmed the investigation Monday.

    ESPN reported that Packers defensive backs offered to pay the team’s defensive linemen $500 each if they were able to hold Vikings running back Adrian Peterson to fewer than 100 yards rushing two weeks ago, and another $500 for holding Carolina to under 60 yards rushing as a team on Sunday.

    Peterson was held to 45 yards rushing before he left the Vikings’ Nov. 11 loss to the Packers with an injury. But the Panthers rushed for 131 yards in Sunday’s loss to Green Bay.

    Packers coach Mike McCarthy said Monday morning he was not aware of the situation.

    General Manager Ted Thompson later said the team was cooperating with the inquiry and thought the players might not have known about the rule.

    “We, certainly in management, knew of the prohibition on something like that,” Thompson said. “We’re not convinced the players knew about it, and that would be a communication snafu and that would be my responsibility.”

  207. By DRS on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    This has been going on for some time for many different teams.

  208. By Shawn on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    DRS … I dont think I mind that. Telling a guy “I’ll give you 500 dollars to not give up 100 yards” that sounds like fair play but a bounty and trying to hurt a player thats is the problem i have

  209. By OTKalil2012 on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    CaribooBill…Oh ..heck no….Now Jeff Fisher has the Rams involved in all this stuff !!!…Just from giving the guy a job…Look for Fisher to be looking for a defensive coordinator very quickly…

  210. By Shawn on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    yea im positive the green bay thing is completely differant in my eyes than the saints thing

  211. By DRS on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Peterson was injured in that game and he had to leave the game, sounds to me allot like the saints.

  212. By Shawn on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    o i didnt know that part … yea your right DRS. paid to injure players is outrageous

  213. By DRS on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    If Peterson wasn’t injured in that game we could have had a better season, and maybe Peterson would be healthier now.

  214. By DRS on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    I wonder how many teams do this to motivate their players?

  215. By OTKalil2012 on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    CaribooBill….The lack of evidence in an investigation happened in 2009…The NFL still warned the Saints GM at that point anyway…Saints still left the “bounty system” continue after that at least through the 2010 season for sure from what I have read so far…Not taking the NFL’s advice…

  216. By OTKalil2012 on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    The Saints have been playing dirty for the last 3 years…Its been as obvious as when the Raiders used to be like them years ago…There is a big difference between hard hitting compared to cheap shots…There are a few other teams that run close to the limits…But the Saints have been going over that line a lot…I expect Goodell to make an example out of them…One other teams will notice also…

  217. By Immureglass on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    I think Williams was apologizing for his involvement and knowledge of the performance based bonus and not the “bounty system”.

  218. By Shawn on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Franchised

    RB
    -Ray Rice – Franchised by Baltimore Ravens

    WR
    -DeSean Jackson – Franchised by Philadelphia Eagles

    TE
    -Fred Davis – Franchised by Washington Redskins

    DE
    -Calais Campbell – Franchised by Arizona Cardinals

    CB
    -Brent Grimes – Franchised by Atlanta Falcons

    S
    -Tyvon Branch – Franchised by Oakland Raiders
    -Dashon Goldson – Franchised by San Francisco 49ers

    K
    -Phil Dawson – Franchised by Cleveland Browns

  219. By Spencer *3 Days* on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Wow. Its seems as though 18million per year wasnt enough for Drew Brees.

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1088505-drew-brees-previously-turned-down-saints-offer-to-be-highest-paid-player

  220. By Spencer *3 Days* on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Brett Farves thoughts on the Head-Hunting,Bounty BullSh-t.

    “I’m not p1ssed. It’s football. I don’t think anything less of those guys. Said or unsaid, guys do it anyway. If they can drill you and get you out, they will.”

  221. By Spencer *3 Days* on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Kurt Warners thoughts..

    “It’s definitely disappointing, but I won’t say that I’m completely surprised. I’m not surprised that there were teams out there doing those kinds of things behind closed doors.

    I think that’s part of the game, and I think that’s part of the mindset. And I’m not going to tell you that I haven’t believed that there was probably defensive players that got together and said, ‘Hey, you know, a thousand bucks for the first guy to knock Kurt out of a football game.’ I’m sure that’s been a part of our league for a long time.”

  222. By DRS on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

  223. By animal26 on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    I bet the saints will get nothing more then a slap on the wrist and be told to not do it again.

  224. By Jman on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    DOWN WITH THE SAINTS ( AINTS ). UP WITH THE VIKINGS.

  225. By ????? on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    F%$# the saints!

  226. By DRS on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

  227. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Nothing can come from this Saints news– we won’t get the win and go to the Superbowl retroactive. Why waste the energy on it? It is over and like Kurt Warner said– it is not surprising. We knew in 2009 the Saints played dirty and purposefully tried to kill Favre because they knew we would win that game if they didn’t.

  228. By DRS on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

  229. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    AND Larson– stop the insanity. There never was a South Dakota Vikings team.

  230. By DRS on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus, all we can do is hope the NFL will take this serious and make them responsible pay a price. We can only hope that the NFL will clean up its act and try to get all this dirty play by the players and teams out of the NFL. I think they should as well look at the officials on the field as well, I think there is dirty play there as well.

  231. By DRS on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus the Minnesota Vikings played their first game, an exhibition against the Dallas Cowboys on Aug. 5, 1961, at Howard Wood Field.[4] Legendary local football coach, Bob Burns, promoted the game. this was in SF, SD.

    There was never a SF Vikings team, they just played one game there.

  232. By sandiamond on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Brett Favre injury pics:

    http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2010/02/photos-how-brett-favres-ankle-and-hamstring-turned-purple-after-vikings-loss-to-saints/1

  233. By DRS on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    I think that is what Larson was trying to say.

  234. By DRS on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Good night to one and all. God bless you all.

  235. By sandiamond on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    drs lot of junk this blog

  236. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    I researched it as well DRS– the Vikings were formed and designed and created in Minnesota. Their first regular season game was in Minnesota. They had an exhibition or “pre-season” game in South Dakota. Period. I think Larson was getting carried away. DRS– remember, Larson wrote that they shipped the Vikings out of South Dakota to play in Bloomington. Read his posts– there was clear implication that the Vikings began in SD– Not so.

  237. By DRS on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    sandiamond, not much to say, just sharing some music. Hardly any new news about the stadium and most likely there will not be any for some time to come. So have fun and take it easy, Once more good Night everyone.

  238. By Parody on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    DRS – I agree. I’m surprised we haven’t learned of any investigation in foul play between teams and the officials yet. Foul play in the form of stipends for ruling favorably to calls that would otherwise go the other direction. From games I’ve watched, Packers are prime suspects in the financing for that. There’s been countless plays that, even upon review go the Packers’ way even though every announcer and expert source say that it should go against them. But I’m sure there are other teams that are guilty of it too. I just don’t pay attention to teams outside the division nearly as much.

  239. By sandiamond on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    33 agreed! maybe this a nudge to cut this worthless guy off the team plus the fact the draft is loaded to the moon with defensive tackles

  240. By DRS on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus, you are correct on that, I think he got his facts wrong, that is for sure. Have a great night. See you later.

  241. By DRS on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Parody, we can only hope that the NFL will look in to this. Good night, Boyit is hard to go now and then. LOL.

  242. By sandiamond on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    DRS great job with the stadium updates. I wouldn’t have a clue how to keep up with ithe situation without living in Minneapolis

  243. By DRS on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    sandiamond, thank you and have a great night.

  244. By DRS on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    bye.

  245. By Spencer *3 Days* on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Well it seems like everybody we were looking at is getting franchised.This off-season is going to be so boring.

  246. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Spencer is BACK! I thought you were gone. I knew it wasn’t so.

  247. By Shawn on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    sandiamond … wow that ankle pick was bad. the hamstring Ive had a bruise like that but that ankle was ja’cked up

  248. By Spencer *3 Days* on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    WOW.AND THIS WAS IN 2006!!

  249. By Parody on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Ouch, It hurts just to watch that one Spence! The ball wasn’t even in the air. I hope that player got a big fine for the heinous cheap shot he took on the receiver’s legs.

  250. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    As punishment, make the Saints move to LA.

  251. By Spencer *3 Days* on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    You know what would be a good punishment, Titus? Taking the Saints “Franchise Tag” away. That way Drew Brees goes to the highest bidder.!

  252. By Parody on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    I like the idea of suspending everyone involved. I read that 22+ players were a part of it. How many of them are still with the team? That would cripple their chances of doing anything during the duration of the suspension. Add some fines and draft relinquishment on top of it, and the league just might start to receive the message.

  253. By Viking-ology on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Take the SB away from the Saints, that will teach them a lesson!

  254. By sandiamond on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Shawn, Favre one tuff son-of gun. His brother seemed to be more concerned about the beating than him. I remember some in the media thought the photos were fake at the time

  255. By Spencer *3 Days* on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Winfield was fined $7500 for this hit, and 10k for the height of his socks. So I can only imagine what will happen to the Saints…

  256. By Spencer *3 Days* on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Alright, that is the last post I will make about the Saints. Anyways, there is a very important date that is fast approaching.

    Geaux Vikings !!

  257. By Parody on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Spencer – There was a fine for that “hit”??? That’s sick! It takes more power to squish an ant than the power Winfield used in his contact of Cutler. If THAT’s a $7500 penalty, the Saints players should be charged $50k for each hit they put on Favre in the Championship game….and then all the other stuff they’ve done in the past 3-years – that could finance our stadium all by itself!!!

  258. By Spencer *3 Days* on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Yea Parody, I dont agree with the fine at all. But what I find humorous is that Winfield was also fined 10k for his white socks being to high. The NFL is a joke.

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/12/25/antoine-winfield-racks-up-17500-in-fines-from-monday-night/

  259. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Avg income of an NFL player according to Business Week is 1.9 million annually. The median is 770K. So, for argument, let’s say you earn a million a year– what is 50K to that player in terms that the avg American who makes around 35K a year can understand? A 50K fine to the player would be like a $1,750 fine to the average Joe. Serious, but soon forgotten. And if that player is more a star, making 3-4 million a year? Then the fine would be like 300-500 for the avg Joe.

  260. By Mike R. on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    What the Vikings need to do is protect the QB,RB,WR etc…Sure that’s bad but how did they get hit or tackled to injure the player? Poor playing or protection! I guarantee that I saw no one on the Vikings this year that got paid to injure…they have to wrap up the tackle first!

  261. By Mike R. on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    I guess that motivated the Saints more than the Vikings.

  262. By Spencer *3 Days* on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    Unreal. Does it End??? Guess who was the D-coordinator of the Redskins when this happened?????????

  263. By Rocksalt on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    FROM WIKIPEDIA
    JUST TO CLARIFY- JERRY JONES DID NOT PAY FOR ALL OF THE NEW COWBOYS STADIUM……..

    Originally estimated to cost $650 million, the stadium’s current construction cost was $1.15 billion,[13] making it one of the most expensive sports venues ever built. To aid Cowboys owner and general manager Jerry Jones in paying the construction costs of the new stadium, Arlington voters approved the increase of the city’s sales tax by 0.5 percent, the hotel occupancy tax by 2 percent, and car rental tax by 5 percent. The City of Arlington provided over $325 million (including interest) in bonds as funding,[13][14] and Jones covered any cost overruns. Also, the NFL provided the Cowboys with an additional $150 million loan, as per their policy for facilitating financing for the construction of new stadiums.[15]

  264. By Parody on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    Titus – Even a $300-$500 dollar fine is something that you only want to get once….but these guys have been playing dirty for at least the last 48-games (plus playoffs). If you see a fine like that 16-times a year, you’re going to care.

  265. By Parody on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    Yea Spence, I tried to ignore the sock thing. I don’t understand it one bit. How does it hurt the players or the league if socks are a bit too long? Is there a rule about hair length? That would make much more sense. A guy who has his hair hanging out of his helmet is just asking for head injuries any time he gets the ball in his hands. Guys are grabbing for anything they can to take you down, and those braids you’re sporting are just screaming “HANDLE!” I’m surprised I haven’t heard of any major head/neck injuries yet for guys who let it all hang out…

  266. By Parody on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    I just read up on that hit by Winfield to Cutler. Apparantly the fine was because Winfield’s helmet contacted Cutler’s chin. Well I say that’s just Cutler’s problem for being so tall. Winfield was standing upright, and trying to stop himself, he’s just that much shorter than Cutler.

  267. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    Parody– I believe the fines need to reflect pain commiserate with the incomes involved. It should not take 16 DUIs to wake up an alcoholic that he should get treatment and change his ways. If fines were in the 200K area, then these players would think twice.

  268. By Parody on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    Titus – I agree, but Spencer’s example of the fine against Winfield shows how that can get blown extremely out of proportion. So IF they’re going to increase the severity of the fines, they need to increase their ability to determine what level of foul play is truly deserving of a fine.

  269. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    Very true Parody. Seems the calling is arbitrary without set criteria and prone to human error and possibly team bias?

  270. By DRS on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    Bob Sansevere: Vikings stadium given slick marketing treatment

    Pioneer Press

    twincities.com

    Posted: 03/02/2012 12:01:00 AM CST

    March 2, 2012 8:19 PM GMT Updated: 03/02/2012 02:19:15 PM CST

    Vikings’ owner Zygi Wilf, along with Minnesota Governor Mark Dayton, speaks during a press conference about a deal reached among legislative leaders for a new Vikings stadium, Thursday, March 1, 2012, at the state capitol.

    (Pioneer Press: Ben Garvin)

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    Slick. Very slick.

    If you appreciate a good arm twisting and not-so-subtle pressure, you’ve got to love how the Vikings’ owners and some high-level politicians are handling the latest stadium proposal.

    They’re calling it the “People’s Stadium” and practically shouting from the rooftops that construction of a new stadium on the Metrodome site will create about 13,000 jobs.

    The cherry on top is the boast that no general-fund tax dollars will be used so that, as one politically savvy state senator noted, no money will be stripped away from schools and nursing homes.

    This proposal still needs legislative approval and an official blessing from Minneapolis city officials, but come on. Who would dare say no to something being called the “People’s Stadium” and the creation of 13,000 jobs while keeping our schoolchildren and elderly out of financial peril?

    You’d be accused of being either unAmerican or under the influence or, worse yet, a Green Bay Packers fan.

    Kudos to whoever crafted the talking points.

    All the financing details haven’t been disclosed, but the types of pressure to be administered have been, and that should be enough.

    Follow Bob Sansevere at twitter.com/bobsansevere

  271. By DRS on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/141126353.html

    $828 million for the fixed-roof stadium.

    $147 million for infrastructure and relocation.

    BEYOND THE BILL
    After the initial expense, operating costs and capital expenses will add to the total amount spent to build the stadium.

    The city of Minneapolis agrees to pay an additional $188.7 million. Total: $338.7 million.

    The Vikings agree to pay an additional $327.1 million. Total: $754.1 million.

  272. By DRS on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    I thought the Vikings would not spend any more the $400 Mill on the stadium in Arden Hills? What gives?

  273. By DRS on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    This Minneapolis stadium is starting to add up to the same amount for the Arden Hills site, what gives, sounds like dirty politics to me.

  274. By DRS on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/141222843.html

    With an insider’s eye, Hot Dish tracks the tastiest bits of Minnesota’s political scene and keep you up-to-date on those elected to serve you.

    Contributors in Minnesota: Jennifer Brooks, Baird Helgeson, Mike Kaszuba, Patricia Lopez, Jim Ragsdale, Brad Schrade and Rachel E. Stassen-Berger. Contributor in D.C.: Kevin Diaz.

    Stadium bill not expected Monday

    Posted by: Kevin Duchschere under Funding, Gov. Mark Dayton, Minnesota legislature, Minnesota state senators, State budgets Updated: March 2, 2012 – 3:03 PM

    Legislation to build a $975 million Vikings stadium in downtown Minneapolis probably won’t be ready for introduction Monday, the chief Senate stadium sponsor said Friday.

    Sen. Julie Rosen, R-Fairmont, said a group of legislators and other stadium backers worked for 3 1/2 hours Friday on finalizing details in the bill, which will incorporate terms of the agreement reached Wednesday night between the state, the Vikings and Minneapolis.The parties want to be sure all details are ironed out before the bill goes to committee.

    At Thursday’s news conference at the State Capitol announcing the agreement, Rosen said that the bill will be worked on “in a very bipartisan way.” It has the support of DFL Gov. Mark Dayton and legislative sponsors Rosen and Rep. Morrie Lanning of Moorhead, both of whom are Republican. However, opposition to the bill is also bipartisan.

    Officials said at the announcement that they expected to introduce the bill Monday.

    The stadium deal would build a fixed-roof stadium on the east side of the Metrodome, fronting a large plaza for game days and civic events. The Vikings would contribute $427 million to construction, the state $398 million (with revenue from electronic pull-tabs) and Minneapolis $150 million (from extended sales and hospitality taxes).

    The Vikings and the city also would pay $516 million in operating and capital expenses over the course of the team’s 30-year lease. No general fund tax dollars would be used for the stadium.

    The deal faces opposition from a majority of Minneapolis City Council members, who want it put to a vote of the people, and many legislators who take a dim view of using public funding for such a large private enterprise.

  275. By DRS on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    I am not sure if they can overcome the Minneapolis City Council, I feel that this will be a waste of time. Once more the Vikings will be waiting one more year to see if they can have a new stadium, I hope I am wrong, I just have a bad feeling about this.

  276. By DRS on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/141252903.html

    Jim Souhan, analyzes the local sports scene, amplifies his columns and makes fun of his peers from press boxes all over the country. He likes old guitars and old music and can be heard on 1500ESPN at 2:35p.m. weekdays, and Sundays from 10-noon.

    Find him on Twitter

    Posted by: Jim Souhan under Vikings, Ex-Vikings, Football on TV, NFC, NFL post-season, Super Bowl, Brett Favre, Ryan Longwell, Sidney Rice Updated: March 2, 2012 – 6:47 PM

    Because Brett Favre is a fickle and mysterious human, you have to wonder how the Saints’ bounty on him affected Vikings history and his career.

    If the Saints hadn’t badly injured his ankle in the 2009 NFC title game…

    -Would he have run for the first down after the 12-man-in-the-huddle call? He had room. He instead tried to force the ball to Sidney Rice and was intercepted. Another first down and I would have bet a lot of money that Ryan Longwell would have kicked the game-winning field goal. Well, OK, I would have bet a little money.

    -If he had either advanced to the Super Bowl or left Superdome healthy after a close loss, would he have been more eager to play in 2010? It was Favre’s passive-aggressive attitude about playing that helped ruin that season. I can’t even guess on this one.

    What SpyGate and BountyGate have taught us is that the NFL is a dirty, dirty business. Even when defensive players aren’t offered rewards, they often enter the game intent on injuring or intimidating offensive players.

    I covered Floyd Peters when he was the Vikings’ defensive coordinator. Great guy. And he wanted his defensive linemen to knock every quarterback unconcious. Sound harsh? These were the days before concussion awareness, when that was an explicit goal of every defense.

    Football hasn’t changed. It’s become even more violent and profitable. I can’t pretend to be offended by the Saints’ bounty system because I believe that all defensive players are incentivized to brutalize offensive players. The Saints were just stupid enough to create a traceable system, and stupid enough to get caught.

    Please follow me on Twitter at @Souhanstrib.

  277. By DRS on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    I think Jim Souhan is wrong, I was an defensive line man in my school days and yeas you went in to disrupt and take down as many QB’s and anyone running with the ball, you did not go into a game to hurt anyone, that was dirty playing and no one liked that.

  278. By DRS on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    Once more I have to go so have a great day.

  279. By Spencer *2 Days* on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    We need to start doing this at the Metradome !

  280. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    Wow– just read some of the article above. Come on Wobble! Proof your articles.

  281. By DRS on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    just one more thing before I go,

    Fan Poll

    With QBs Andrew Luck and Robert Griffin III likely going 1-2 in the NFL Draft, how should the Vikings handle the No. 3 overall pick?

    Take USC OL Matt Kalil40%

    Take OSU WR Justin Blackmon14%

    Take LSU CB Morris Claiborne30%

    Take ‘Bama CB Dre Kirkpatrick1%Trade Down, Get More Picks / Players16%

    5008 Total Votes

    Thank you for visiting vikings.com

  282. By Shawn on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    OK I never thought I would have a favorite Punter but Chris Kluwe has officially become my all time favorite Punter …

    Kluwe said ““I think that Vilma and Williams should be banned from football for life.”

    http://thevikingage.com/2012/03/03/chris-kluwe-gregg-williams-and-jonathan-vilma-should-be-banned-from-football/

  283. By Shawn on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    Franchised Updates

    RB
    -Ray Rice – Franchised by Baltimore Ravens
    -Matt Forte – Franchised by Chicago Bears

    WR
    -DeSean Jackson – Franchised by Philadelphia Eagles

    TE
    -Fred Davis – Franchised by Washington Redskins

    DE
    -Calais Campbell – Franchised by Arizona Cardinals

    CB
    -Brent Grimes – Franchised by Atlanta Falcons

    S
    -Tyvon Branch – Franchised by Oakland Raiders
    -Dashon Goldson – Franchised by San Francisco 49ers

    K
    -Phil Dawson – Franchised by Cleveland Browns
    -Mike Nugent – Franchised by Cincinnati Bengals

  284. By Viking33 on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    If the fans did that jumping at the Metrodome the place might go tumbling down!

  285. By Spencer *2 Days* on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    Lol. Only the Brows would franchise a kicker. And speaking of kickers, we need a new one. Longwell rarely ever got touchbacks last season.

  286. By OTKalil2012 on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    How would you like to be Drew Brees right now…Williams and Sean Payton might as well have drawn a big bloody red X on the back of Drew Brees jersey for this coming season…Or any offensive player for that matter…How do you think defenses are going to play against any Saints players…After knowing their defensive coordinator and head coach have been plotting injuries against all offenses they have been playing against for the last 3 years ??…

  287. By Viking-ology on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    I hate the Saint’s now more than ever.

  288. By Spencer *2 Days* on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    I’ve always hated the Saints. That NFC Championship game was the worst loss I’ve ever seen. If we played a turnover free game, we would have easily blown them out. Now all we can do is say well “what if we didnt fumble, what if we didnt have 12 men in the huddle, what if Favre didnt throw that int to Porter.”

    We were so close. It still hurts.

  289. By Parody on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    Spencer – Cleveland and Cincinatti both franchised their Kickers. So an accurate statement would be only Ohio would would franchise a kicker.

  290. By sandiamond on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    Bright day looks looking up

    New “Dome” that no opposing team will want to play in
    Better draft picks? 34,66 ?
    That “Dome” in NO, bring it on!
    Spielman’s staff working around the clock for the best young fast track talent

  291. By Viking33 on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    I love all these players coming out saying that this is part of the game or this has always been a part of the game, and if you don’t like it don’t play the game. There are a lot of things that “Used” to be part of the game and they are not any longer – this is one of them. Figure it out – then maybe you wouldn’t have to pay fines anymore. It also used to be legal to beat your spouse, guess what…….times they are a changin’ my friend.

    I am sure there have been things like this going on in the league for a long time – but when was the last time it ended the careers of two Hall of Fame QB’s…..in back to back games?? Warner and Favre’s career’s were ended, not to mention that the two francises were fundamentally damaged and set back because of it. You don’t think the Cardinals would have liked to have Warner at the helm for another season or two, and the Vikings as well with Favre. Favre couldn’t even move in 2010 – he did his best to play and hide it, but the facts don’t change.

    Another thing – players are saying they were not trying to injure players – just hurt them and knock them out of the game??????????????? What does that mean?????? How do you cause pain and injury without hurt?? Do they think that everyone has a fifth grade education that watches Football??

    If it weren’t my team that was directly impacted by this – I would feel the same way. It is just BUSH LEAGUE junk – especially when it is spearheaded by a Figurehead such as a Coach. That guy should be the “Good Example” not giving the inmates the keys, arming them and looking the other way.

  292. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    A sad day in the NFL. The Saints Superbowl forever tarnished.

  293. By DeerTracks on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    I can’t wait for Mike W’s “Monday Morning Mailbag.”.

    I am also certain thar the subject of the Dirty Saints Players will once again, be favored over the Stadium issue….

    Also waiting for the NFL has to say something about it, or will they just push it under the turf??

  294. By animal26 on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    DeerTracks: how long have we known the NFL? The answer is obvious, they will give the saints a slap on the wrist and like a little kid that did something wrong , will be told they were naughty and for them to not do it again. Justice will not be served in this case for one simple reason. That reason is due to the NFL’s way of playing favorites with some teams over others.

  295. By Viking33 on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    @ Deertracks – You are right, and I think the Stadium issue takes a back seat just because it is more like a Fantasy Stadium issue. With the fate of the Vikings in the hands of Politicians…….well, I think that says enough all by itself.

    Maybe we could draft legislators and earn points when they actually do something…..anything at all – ala Fantasy Football. Everything seems like a game in Politics anyways, so I don’t think it is that far from reality.

  296. By Roninmn.. on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    Remi was involved on that hit with Farve, did he take dirty money? Time will tell..

  297. By Viking-ology on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    The Saint’s have been beloved by the NFL ever since Katrina…it will be interesting to see what the Commish does. Either way, it’s a small consolation for the Minnesota Viking’s and Viking fans.

  298. By Viking33 on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    Agreed – Viking-ology, just another Blight among many on record for the Vikings and the SuperBowl quest.

  299. By NovaScotiaVike on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    ” Oh when the saints, go cheatin’ in, oh when the SAINTS GO CHEATIN” IN…….

  300. By NovaScotiaVike on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    All the fines garnered from this disgrace should be donated to a ” Clean Up The Gulf ” charity. And then drown the entire team and coaching staff in WD-40.

  301. By Rocksalt on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    EVERY NFL Community has so far supported their teams by paying some of the cost for the new stadiums. The frikkin penny pinching Scrooges ought to go somewhere with no pro sports….

  302. By Rocksalt on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    I thought the Saints especially Darren Sharper played to injure Favre…..they were favored by the media cuz of George W and his mishandling of Katrina…

  303. By Rocksalt on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    Haliburton was the contractor for the cement footings for the BP well……….Way to Go EVIL SNEERING A$$HOLE CHANEY

  304. By Rocksalt on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    There are 13 MPLS city council mem.bers. 7 nhave publicly opposed any tax $$ for a new stadium……GEE, IN Wonderland, Nobody has to pay taxes! Life is wonderful and everyone is treated fairly………nobody is hungry or poor. Unicorns and rainbows are an everyday occurance.

  305. By Rocksalt on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    Maybe the Vikings need to start playing like the other teams…..

  306. By Shawn on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    any computer geeks on? err computer wizards? :)

    I just downloaded a game for the computer and once im in the game i cant click on anything … the cursor moves but it wont click …. ???????

  307. By Spencer *2 Days* on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    Whats your operating system? Whats the game called? Where did you download it?

  308. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    Spencer to the rescue. What a beautiful ending to the ongoing Cook-Griffen feud.

  309. By Spencer *2 Days* on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    I wonder what Chris Cook is doing right now. Is he going through his arguments for why he had no choice but to strike his girlfriend because he was in a life-threatening situation?

  310. By NovaScotiaVike on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    Almost the blog equivalent of ” Gone With The Wind “.

  311. By NovaScotiaVike on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    Beat up a woman, Spence, then you won’t have to “wonder’.

  312. By Shawn on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    i cant post the link for some reason … im using windows xp and its pure sim baseball 2007. it is a free download

  313. By Shawn on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    http://computergames.ro/en/downloads/viewitem/id/14221/name/puresim-baseball-2007-v175-free-full-game.html

  314. By Shawn on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    odd that link works but the other one doesnt

  315. By NovaScotiaVike on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    I wonder what that poor girl who was attacked by an animal, and her parents are doing right now….That’s the difference between you and me, Spence.

  316. By Spencer *2 Days* on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    Will they be showing the trial case on television?

  317. By NovaScotiaVike on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    He’s not exactly O.J.

  318. By Shawn on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    OJ played football

  319. By Spencer *2 Days* on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    Then can I get tickets to be inside the courthouse?

  320. By NovaScotiaVike on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    If it’s like Canada, it’s open to the public…….One word of caution…sit with the family………..and know where the back door is .

  321. By NovaScotiaVike on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    In your case, the cook family.

  322. By Shawn on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    and dont call your ex

  323. By Spencer *2 Days* on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    Any time-table for how long this is going to last?

  324. By Shawn on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    depends on how much evidence number of witnesses and the jury

  325. By Spencer *2 Days* on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    Look to this as inspiration Chris Cook..

  326. By Spencer *2 Days* on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

  327. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    Is it going to trial? With a jury?

  328. By NovaScotiaVike on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    His defense will be that Gregg Williams paid him a bounty to strangle her.

  329. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    All that does is establish motive. Those players were still guilty.

  330. By Spencer *2 Days* on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    I wonder what his girl looks like. I guess we will all find out come Monday.

  331. By NovaScotiaVike on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    I will bet that she doesn’t look as good as she used to.

  332. By Viking-ology on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    We can’t seem to get away from talking about that idiot.

  333. By NovaScotiaVike on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    What a Fu(king COWARD……PUT HIM AWAY !!!!!!!!!

  334. By Viking-ology on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    I thought someone (Spence) posted a pic of her a while back?

  335. By Shawn on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    just in case some people are confused … once again Shawn did not start it no matter how much some might want to blame for starting it I didnt

  336. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    I also thought I read somewhere that Spencer was leaving the blog.

  337. By Spencer *2 Days* on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    *Disclaimer*

    I did NOT bring up Chris Cook.

  338. By Spencer *2 Days* on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    And you read correct, Titus. I was going to leave, but I changed my mind.

  339. By Viking-ology on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    I hope the Saint’s get a cajun voodoo curse put on them by the ghost of Justin Wilson.

  340. By Viking-ology on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    I guar-an-tee!

  341. By NovaScotiaVike on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    It was due for a change.

  342. By Viking-ology on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    All Viking Fans, I ask you to join in on a specially brewed New Orleans Saint’s curse. It goes like this:

    Mumbo-Jumbo, Chicken-Gumbo, may the New Orleans Saint’s be cursed from winning a Super Bowl for all eternity, or until the Viking’s win a Super Bowl, (whichever comes first.) HEX ON THE SAINT’S! BE FOREVER THE AINT’S!

  343. By Spencer *2 Days* on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    You know what we should do? Bring back Randy Moss.

    84 Life. BBM?

  344. By NovaScotiaVike on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    Viking-olgy, if it’s all the same,to you I’ll just drink heavily.

  345. By Viking-ology on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    Sure thing Nova, as long as you think evil thoughts on the Saint’s while exercising your elbow!

  346. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    Well, Spencer, I am sure I do not speak for everyone when I say I am glad you came back. Your insights are enlightening.

  347. By Spencer *2 Days* on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    Thank you, Ole Majestic One Titus. Im confident Shawn feels the same way..

  348. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    Does anyone know how many seats will be in the new stadium? And why is the roof fixed? Are there at least some windows to be opened?

  349. By Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    One attribute I like about Spencer is he keeps his debates civil. A sign of maturity.

  350. By NorthwoodsVikesFan on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    It’s just amazing that we had 9 bazillion turnovers in that game, they were paying players bonuses to hurt us, and we STILL ALMOST BEAT THEM. Can you imagine how bad we’d have kicked their behinds in a fair game, without so many turnovers?

  351. By NorthwoodsVikesFan on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    I think the roof will be fixed to cut building costs and to cut snow removal costs in years to come.

  352. By NorthwoodsVikesFan on Mar 4, 2012 | Reply

    Let’s say that Favre DIDN’T throw that last pick, and we kicked the FG to win. Favre’s ankle was broken by that time. Do we beat Indy, or do we fail in our 5th SB bid?

  353. By Frederick Jones on Mar 4, 2012 | Reply

    Lies have speed, the TRUTH has endurance!!!

    There was a lot of debating about whether the loss was Favre’s or the Offensive Line for that game. I was one who blamed it on the line.

    I won’t claim that we needed to go HOG WILD in the draft after O Linemen.

    HOWEVER THAT IS WHAT SPIELMAN IS PAID TO DO. SOMEONE SHOULD HAVE ADVISED HIM!!! WE HAVE NO EXCUSE.

    Then to do the same thing again in 2010 and 2011, WOW…AND NOW THE VIKINGS ARE GOING TO DRAFT PLAYERS OTHER THAN OLs and DBs

    AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  354. By Frederick Jones on Mar 4, 2012 | Reply

    lies have speed, THE TRUTH HAS ENDURANCE!!!

  355. By Frederick Jones on Mar 4, 2012 | Reply

    It would seem that picking Matt Kalil would be the obvious choice for the Vikings for the #3 pick in the draft this year.

    Perhaps someone else has already addressed this, but what if Kalil is chosen #1 or #2?
    There may not be another Offensive Linemen worth picking as high as #3 in the draft. I still say the Vikings have to take the next best beast for the Offensive Line, even if he appears to be a second rounder.

    WE cannot afford any more mistakes with the draft. WE have to have Offensive Linemen, and Defensive Backs.

    Talk about Linebackers, and Wide Receivers makes me cringe, even though I know we need them.

    Ford said it well, “Quality is Job One.” WE must fill in where we are weakest FIRST.

    This means an obsession with Offensive Linemen and Defensive Backs.

  356. By Frederick Jones on Mar 4, 2012 | Reply

    Mike Wobschall is very high on Mike Mayock. He is a good speaker. But what he talks about is exactly the opposite of what Mike W. says.

    Mike Mayock is good at saying the wrong things, about the wrong players, at the wrong time. Mayock has done more than any other person besides Spielman to ruin our draft the last two years.

    He is always talking about DTs, RBs, etc. Last year he convinced Spielman to select Ponder in the first round. Ponder, Rudolph, and Gerhart may become good players, but they sure as heck were not what the Vikings needed last year WHEN they were drafted!!!

    WE MUST DRAFT FOR NEEDS, NOT BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE. OR NOT… AND WATCH US GO 2-14, 5-11, 4-12, ETC.!!!

    We don’t need more of his comments, that is for sure. He never talks about OLs and DBs which is what we need.

    BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE IS FOR THOSE TEAMS THAT ALREADY HAVE MET THEIR NEEDS!!!

    Rick Spielman do not listen to Mike Mayock, he is POISON to the MN Vikings!!!
    OFFENSIVE LINE…DEFENSIVE BACKS :( :( :( :( :(

  357. By Frederick Jones on Mar 4, 2012 | Reply

    1. Playing the Race Card”
    Well, it’s not a game. Racism is a very serious thing
    and it is alive right now with Tim Tebow and Jeremy Lin.
    American Caucasians are always looking for the great white
    hope. They won’t give up.
    Charles Barkley said it well, “when most people start watching
    a basketball game they immediately count the number of blacks
    and whites on the floor.”
    Racism will never go away, at least not in our lifetime. Really it’s
    silly because it has been scientifically shown that we are all the same
    race genetically!!!
    Well why wasn’t there a thinking called Vicking, when MICHAEL VICK came into the league. He was unreal running for over 1000 yards!!! And unlike Bobby Douglass he could pass as well.
    And how about Rice-ing. NO ONE dominated football more than JERRY RICE (Except Jim Brown).
    Actually when Rice played all you heard about was Montana or Young.
    Race Card? Huh!!!

  358. By Frederick Jones on Mar 4, 2012 | Reply

    @Nova,

    No it’s not short for condominium!

  359. By Frederick Jones on Mar 4, 2012 | Reply

    “The worst prejudice in sports is not color, it is size.”
    Calvin Murphy, 5’9″ former Guard for the NBA Houston Rockets

    It’s very possible that Marcus Sherels is an answer to some of our defensive backfield
    problems. Was he given an honest chance at winning a starting position with the Vikings? NO!!!

    There was some criticism of his punt and kick return abilities, yet he had two returns that nearly went for TDs. Sherels had a 27.8 Kickoff Return Average with a 78 yard return.
    He also had a 53 yard Punt Return.

  360. By Frederick Jones on Mar 4, 2012 | Reply

    @Mike Wobschall,

    In the l a s t Monday Morning Mailbag you talked about selecting the
    Best Player Available (BPA) if we cannot select the player we want.

    You said it was a good way to ” i n f u s e ” talent into a talent-short
    ball club.

    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

    WHAT we are doing is getting TOO MANY players at certain positions.
    WE NEED to select Offensive Linemen and Defensive Backs. ONLY!!!

  361. By Frederick Jones on Mar 4, 2012 | Reply

    ****Racism will never go away, at least not in our lifetime. Really it’s
    silly because it has been scientifically shown that we are all the same
    race genetically!!! You wanna takk aba race caaad?

    Well why wasn’t there a thinking called Vicking, when MICHAEL VICK came into the league. He was unreal running for over 1000 yards!!! And unlike Bobby Douglass he could pass as well.

    And how about Rice-ing. NO ONE dominated football more than JERRY RICE (Except Jim Brown).
    Actually when Rice played all you heard about was Montana or Young.
    Race Card? Huh!!!

  362. By Frederick Jones on Mar 4, 2012 | Reply

    or…

    Homer Jones…Jonesing

    Bob Hayes…Hayesing

    Devin Hester…Hestering

    Laurence Taylor…Taylor-made Tackles

    Those were some people that had just as much impact on the game, and nobody gave them the fan fare of Tim Tebow (Who I actually like as a player and a person…by the way)

  363. By supervikingman on Mar 4, 2012 | Reply

    After listening to Gov. Dayton ramble on for a minute or so… and hearing him stumble repeatedly, what struck me first, was the idea that someone let’s him babble on as if there was no pre-planning whatsoever. Where are the media wranglers? Where is Frazier? Cuz this cat needs coaching. Did we really need everybody to squeeze into the picture? I think there were about 20 extra unnecessary bodies upfront. Who is running this show? It’s no wonder decisions are slow because you can tell from watching nobody has any true idea of what is going on. Hear this! We don’t need a list of names announced. Just put it in a handout and get to the message. I didn’t know whether to put up with it or take a nap. Instead, I moved over here to see what fans have to say because that is the voice that was missing in all the considerations being discussed. 2,500 parking spots? I think most wallymarts have more. Oh, and going NON-retractable? While, sure, it saves money, it’s a huge mistake. We wouldn’t want modern tech to get in the way. Will there be pay phones installed? It’s like building a new house, but putting on the same shingles. NOTHING STATE OF THE ART about that. I will never understand how a pocketful of closet Viking fan politicians feel they’ve done the proper research and have the information one needs to move forward on an NFL stadium. While I’d be the first to applaud the NEW beginning, I’d be the last one to get excited about what they have decided to go with. It has compromise written all over it and the Wilfs must have felt they had no other choice. I just hope that this wasn’t a settlement because everybody is tired of dealing with it.

  364. By Frederick Jones on Mar 4, 2012 | Reply

    SELECT OFFENSIVE LINEMEN AND DEFENSIVE BACKS only IN THE SEVEN PICKS OF THE 2012 DRAFT!!

  365. By Matthias on Mar 4, 2012 | Reply

    @ Frederick Jones,

    In 2010 our Oline was hurt all the time. Don’t forget about 2009. During this year our line was “beast”. Therefor you could have thought that they would repeat such a high performance. Same with our DB’s and Safeties.

    Too be honest, I believe that Mike Mayock has been on of the best analysts out there and often his predictions have been right.

  366. By Matthias on Mar 4, 2012 | Reply

    Draft: Ol, DB, Safty, DT, LB, WR

    Deep draft => select DB’s, Safety and WR in the later rounds

    Charles Woodson was a third round pick

  367. By Rocksalt on Mar 4, 2012 | Reply

    Of course this stadium deal had compromise……all to tryh and keep the gtotal costs down. Wait and see what the MPLS city council does……according to most reports , the stadium deal will be up to them to approve or deny.

  368. By Parody on Mar 4, 2012 | Reply

    Fred – The term “Tebowing” was created as a derogatory term for an average player who would celebrate by praying after every little thing he did right. Surely, you don’t want us to try to create similar derogatory terms for the good black players in the game?

    The real racism from this occurs when people pull the race card when no racial issues exist. It only reminds us that we need to be thinking about differences in race ALL THE TIME. The more we think about race, the more we will be recognizing the differences among the races and the more racist we will inevitably be.

  369. By sandiamond on Mar 4, 2012 | Reply

    Fred Jones you bring up valid questionable point about Mayock. Should the Vikings be so connected to a national sports analyst? I don’t know but I question the hiring of Mayock’s daughter in our front office. She just graduated college in 2010 so I guess it pays to know the right people!

  370. By sandiamond on Mar 4, 2012 | Reply

    reminder to Spielman: there is still free agent work to do!!!!! scouts can road lizard for pro days. Everybody is counting on you Mr. Spielman to make it happen

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82746bff/article/cowboys-reportedly-will-seek-carr-finnegan-to-bolster-defense

  371. By ''408 VIKES" on Mar 4, 2012 | Reply

    I love that there moving to minneapolis vikings thats sounds so fresh and open and close ceiling to see the stars i hope they put m.v. on the field and on the jerseys sleeves and change the helmets color to white and put the m.v. on em time to make a change now i love the move now we need l.james #21 GOVIKES!!!!2012!

  372. By ''408 VIKES" on Mar 4, 2012 | Reply

    That would be so cool if they made little vikings horns for all the fans to blow when the vikings score pass em all out when they go to the game so cool go vike life….

  373. By OTKalil2012 on Mar 4, 2012 | Reply

    Washington Redskins will now also be investigated by Goodell and the NFL for their own version of implementing of the “bounty system” while Williams was a part of the Redskins franchise over 3 years ago….

    How are the Redskins going to use any first round draft picks for compensation to move up to get RG III…If Goodell takes draft picks away after Bounygate hands out penalties ???…

    Very interesting…Browns gaining edge now for RG III…

  374. By OTKalil2012 on Mar 4, 2012 | Reply

    Fisher can’t be very happy with his new defensive coordinator…Not only did he bring the “Bountygate” scandal along with him to the Rams…But now that scandal will most likely lose draft picks the Rams would have got from the Redskins in a block buster deal….That most likely won’t come to pass now…Because of something Williams did again with that team also when working for the Skins….If I am Fisher…I let go of my new defensive coordinator Williams and all his baggage FAST……..

  375. By ozzinator on Mar 4, 2012 | Reply

    @ Parody – You got that right on!

  376. By Shawn on Mar 4, 2012 | Reply

    By Matthias on Mar 4, 2012 | Reply
    Draft: Ol, DB, Safty, DT, LB, WR
    Deep draft => select DB’s, Safety and WR in the later rounds
    Charles Woodson was a third round pick

    ______________________________________________________________

    ** CORRECTION ***

    Charles Woodson was a 1st round pick … #4 overall

  377. By Shawn on Mar 4, 2012 | Reply

    Parody … I think your wrong about “Tebowing” . I dont think it was in anyway a derogatory label.

    Tebow was doing things that people couldnt believe and then he “Tebowed” after doing them.

  378. By Mike B. on Mar 4, 2012 | Reply

    @Fred maybe you should include yourself in your racism comment. To continually pull the race card against others that don’t agree with you is quite possibly racism. It’s a two way street in racism from the majority to minority and also minority to majority. It doesn’t matter what the color of your skin is. I am sure racism is live and well everywhere, but the minority pulling the race card on the majority without justification is keeping it more alive than ever before. The fact is the Vikings will not collapse if at #3 Kalil isn’t picked. You pulling a race card on this is bunk. It makes you look like a yahoo. I even agree with you that Kalil is the best at that position, but it’s not up to us. There are tons of people looking at this in the vikings organization. They will pick the best person to fit in the Team. I don’t see where you Get Off using the race card on any one. I really think your are the one who is racist.

  379. By Shawn on Mar 4, 2012 | Reply

    Fred Jones … I know there is racism in the world still but sports are one of the major reasons racism is losing. I dont know why you made a racism rant. It makes no sense.

    Now if your trying to say we drafted Ponder because Webb is black … then I say your are the racists because thats ridiculous. BTW I dont think your racist although you bring it up more than anyone …

    Mike Mayock is a good tool for the Vikings to have. Im glad they are connected with him.

  380. By Shawn on Mar 4, 2012 | Reply

    Fred I am also on the OL OL OL OL OL OL OL OL OL OL bandwagon. However lets use some brain power.

    In 2009 our OL was good

    in 2010 our OL was injured and McKinnie didnt work out in the offseason (not Spielmans fault)

    so I like Spielman believed that in 2011 a healthy OL and a slimmer McKinnie would make our OL closer to the 2009 version

    Spielman and I and others were wrong … so yes it is time to draft OL OL OL OL OL OL OL OL

    but to bash Mike Mayock for not drafting OL is unfounded

  381. By Mike B. on Mar 4, 2012 | Reply

    @Fred you pulled the race card with me and others when we said that Ponder is better than Webb at QB. I pointed out that it was the coaches that had that position. But in fact if you listen to Fraizers own comments about Webb. He is a great #2 QB. This is a comment from the coach who happens to be black in reference to another player who is black. How is this racism. You need to deal with your own issues Fred.

  382. By Shawn on Mar 4, 2012 | Reply

    I like Mike Mayock

  383. By Mike B. on Mar 4, 2012 | Reply

    Mayock has a good analysis record and follows the Vikings closely.

  384. By Frederick Jones on Mar 4, 2012 | Reply

    Thanks for all the response to my rants. I am not going to be able to respond to everyone.

    Mike B., You need to organize your thoughts!!! I’m not sure what you are saying.
    Did you say that Kalil is a racist? It might help to make some paragraphs.

    Shawn., Thanks for summarizing the “general thinking” on the OL over the last three years. My point was that WE were wrong. Spielman or someone should have recognized the emergency in 2009. They have the inside story.

    Shawn thanks for backing me on the “Tebowing” label. It was meant by most to be a glorifying remark.

    @Parody., I have saved the info. you gave me on the APA paper, and also conferred with the instructor involved. Thank you.

    As far as pulling the “race card,” the only time race card is used is when someone is upset about someone mentioning RACE or factors relating to it. They feel that they have to defend themselves because they feel GUILTY!!!

    @Sandiamond, Your point about Mike Mayock is a valid one. Where did this guy come from, and why is he the expert on the Vikings?

  385. By Parody on Mar 5, 2012 | Reply

    Fred- Happy to help.

    About your comment:
    “As far as pulling the “race card,” the only time race card is used is when someone is upset about someone mentioning RACE or factors relating to it. They feel that they have to defend themselves because they feel GUILTY!!!”

    Read literally, that would lead one to believe you are saying that you pulled the race card because you feel guilty. However, I think your intention was to say that a person who mentions the term “Race Card” is the one who feels guilty. If that’s the case, it could not be further from the truth with me. I’m just sick of hearing these outrageous claims about racism. The problem is bad enough without people trying to make it look even worse.

    I’m not going to say I’m not racist. Nobody is void of racism. It’s a part of humanity to see differences in people and judge them by it. But I avoid making my decisions based on racial beliefs. However, it is partially due to claims of racism when they don’t exist that helps to make me more racist. Case in point, I never thought of “Tebowing” having anything to do with race until you brought it up.

  386. By Parody on Mar 5, 2012 | Reply

    Shawn – I have to disagree with you. The first time I heard the term “Tebowing” was on a sports show, (probably on ESPN) where the analysts were belittling the QB, because whatever it was that he was celebrating much of the time was underserving, especially in consideration to his low completion percentage.

    They made comments to the tune of “Tebow needs to spend more effort figuring out how to do that on a regular basis, like the other starting QBs in the NFL, rather than celebrate the few times that he does the small things that are expected of him.”

  387. By garry on Mar 12, 2012 | Reply

    i think it is such a waste to tear down the Metrodome right after it gets a new roof and new turf. Should have built the new stadium in Arden Hills, that makes more sense to me.

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