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4 Quick Takeaways From Thursday’s Combine Action

Posted by Mike Wobschall on February 24, 2012 – 5:38 am

As I explained in the previous entry, Thursday was jam-packed with action and information gathering. Here are 4 quick takeaways that summarize what I learned after many interesting conversations – on air and off- with people in and around the NFL at the Combine.

1. The Pioneer Press’ Jeremy Fowler and La Canfora of NFL Network painted a picture of huge roster turnover for the Vikings, which means many of the team’s 16 unrestricted free agents might not be automatics to return.

2. One Viking who is not a UFA but whom some have speculated may not be asked back to the team is G Steve Hutchinson. But I must say that after talking to a couple of people, including one individual who will be a guest on tomorrow’s show, there’s no question that having Hutchinson on board for 2012 will be vital if the team uses an early 1st-round draft choice on LT Matt Kalil.

3. Regardless of how much room the Vikings have under the salary cap, don’t be surprised if there isn’t a big, blue-chip free agent signing at WR. Yes, the WR class appears deep in free agency this year, but La Canfora suggested that teams will use the franchise tag to retain their top free agents. He specifically mentioned Dwayne Bowe, DeSean Jackson, Vincent Jackson and Wes Welker as guys who could be retained via the franchise tag. That takes away a big part of the depth of that WR free agent class. There are still guys there to be had, including Marques Colston, Pierre Garcon, Steve Johnson and Robert Meachem, but the moral of the story is that there might not be as big of a bonanza on free agent WRs as many of us originally thought.

4. Everyone, and I mean everyone, we spoke with on and off the record seemed convinced that Andrew Luck and Robert Griffin III will go 1-2 in the draft. At first that might disappoint Vikings fans because it drastically reduces – I say it actually all but eliminates – the team’s chances of trading back a few spots in the 1st round to acquire additional picks. But after more consideration, I’m hoping it goes Luck-Griffin III in some order, because that sets up the Vikings to grab LT Matt Kalil at #3. Kalil passes the eye test no question, and I love the thought of taking a LT with the design of him being a franchise cornerstone and Christian Ponder protector for the next 10-15 years.


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198 Responses to “4 Quick Takeaways From Thursday’s Combine Action”

  1. By thenaj17 on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    Ignore anything La Canfora has to say regarding the Vikings. He hates us and rides the Packers like a lapdog!

  2. By Carl K on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    We don’t need a Blue Chip free agent WR. Don’t waste the money!
    3rd round we should be able to land one of these guys
    Rueben Randle
    Stephen Hill
    Dwight Jones
    Joe Adams
    Tommy Streeter

    Don’t forget we also could use Joe Webb at WR!
    We have bigger holes to fill.

  3. By Carl K on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    Mike Jenkins, Percy Harvin are good building blocks for a rookie to learn from.
    We already have a great red zone target in Kyle Rudolph. Rudolph needs to play a bigger role in our offense.

  4. By Carl K on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    A free agent Blue Chip Safety and a Blue Chip Linebacker is a MUST!
    The D was very bad last year!

  5. By Carl K on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    Did I forget to mention a blue chip cornerback would also be nice!

  6. By Carl K on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    The draft has some 2nd and 3rd round WRs who are raw but can excell at the deep game. And really that is all we need. Percy, Rudolph and Jenkins know how to get open in the middle.

    We must fix the Oline first so Ponder has time to look deep.

  7. By Carl K on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    Give Stephen Hill or Tommy Streeter a year or 2 to learn route running from Percy and Jenkins and you might have something very special.

    Streeter and Hill are already dangerous as a deep threats… they just need time to develop the all around WR game. I think Minnesota would be the perfect fit for that type of development.

  8. By Spencer *10 Days* on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    When do the players at the skill positions run the 40?

  9. By Roninmn.. on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    Right on spot Mike, Kalil should be our first choice if he is available.

  10. By Roninmn.. on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    Kalil should be our first choice if he is available.

  11. By DRS on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82718f10/article/vikings-rb-peterson-says-knee-rehab-ahead-of-schedule

    Minnesota Vikings running back Adrian Peterson knows that it’s a long road back following knee surgery, especially when the operation is to repair a torn anterior cruciate ligament.

    But with his knee gradually regaining its strength and a Feb. 28 date to begin running again, Peterson isn’t afraid to be optimistic about when he could play again.

    “Right now my goal is to be back by the first, the regular-season opener,” Peterson told “The Dan Patrick Show” on Tuesday. “That’s my goal.”

    Peterson underwent ACL surgery on Dec. 30 — a little more than eight months before the start of the 2012 season. Peterson said he understands that the injury typically requires eight to nine months of rehab, but “right now, I am ahead of schedule.”

    Peterson told KFAN-FM last week that he’s starting to get his muscle tone and strength back into his legs and that the Vikings training staff has been “very pleased” with his progress.

    The Vikings have worked with Peterson to make sure that he’s not trying to rush his recovery, and Peterson reiterated Tuesday that he’s making an effort to remain patient throughout the process.

    “Ultimately, I’ve got to make sure I am 100 percent before I get back out there,” Peterson said. “It’s going good so far.”

  12. By DRS on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    Vikings

    Minnesota Vikings: Is Signing Brandon Carr a Legitimate Possibility?

    By Nick McAndrews

    (Featured Columnist) on February 21, 2012

    It’s no secret that the Minnesota Vikings need help in their secondary. With as many good defensive backs as there are hitting the open market, it seems pretty likely they’ll pursue at least one higher-profile guy.

  13. By Roninmn.. on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    Sorry for the double up. Didn’t think my first message went through.

  14. By SAN JO VIKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    RGIII! RGIII! RGIII! “THE BLACK VIKING”

  15. By Dave on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    Here is my take on an idea for who to draft espeically knowing the Rams are going to trade down. I think if we were to get one if the two top tackles in Free agency, then we go ahead and draft Blackmon. I jus think he’s a game changer and maybe if we get a tackle in Free agency it might make the Rams think twice about trading down especially if they really want Blackmon. What do you think? I just really believe we need a great playmaker down the field along with Percy.

  16. By sandiamond on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    Carl it seems to be all the rage from the front office: sign playmakers around Ponder. Well I hope they do sign a WR free agent so then we can get down to business in the draft. Defensive rookies WILL be on the field early next year

  17. By sandiamond on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    wobby up early with bells on this week!

  18. By sandiamond on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    Dave that would be a great idea if only the vikes could_ sign a FA LT. There really are none out there to sign. Spielman’s fill-in with utility player charlie johnson still hurting the team today imo

  19. By 61Vikings on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    More than ever before has an offseason been so important to this organization, hopefully we can look back in 3-4 years and say, that was the reason we finally won a championship!! Key signings in free agency and the best draft class in Vikings history, I know, wishful thinking, but nothing wrong with that!!!
    Everyone seems to think that the Rams will trade their pick and pass on RG3, but it wouldn’t surprise me if they take him, either way in most scenarios, the Vikes still get their man in Matt Kalil!! The only way we don’t get Kalil is if the Rams take him and that leaves the door wide open for the Vikes to take RG3, you can’t pass on him, he’s better than any QB we have!! Can you imagine RG3,Percy Harvin,AP,Kyle Rudolph,Joe Webb to wideout!! WOW!!!! We could still rebuild the OL through the draft and free agency!! Our defense needs alot of work as well!!!!

  20. By 61Vikings on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    The Rams guy is Blackmon!! They could still trade down to the Browns and still get their man in Blackmon, plus pick up some extra picks!! If they trade with the ‘Skins, they will lose out on Blackmon because the Browns would take him if he’s there at the 4th pick, so I don’t see the Rams doing anything with the ‘Skins, but I do see them doing a deal with the Browns if they really want RG3!!!

  21. By sandiamond on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    PA hammering away about the c. cook status!

    (nothing new)cook imaginary paid PS player until the trial ends

  22. By Tim Opp on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    I hope at least 8 of the 10 draft picks will become starters at least by 2nd yr. But don’t pass up on a Blue Chip left tackel if he’s there.

  23. By Rudso on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    61Vikings, but that’s the thing, you CAN”T build your OL through draft and free agency. All the top OL will be gone in the 1st round and there aren’t good free agent OL out there. All the teams in the late 1st round will gobble up any potential starting LTs, just like every other year, specially with the debt at CB and WR in this draft.

    We really need to make it look like the Vikings are taking Blackmon at 3 to scare the Rams. The Rams no doubt want Blackmon and want the Browns #4 spot along with their #22 overall pick. They get their guy in Blockmon AND another 1st round pick? That’s almost not fair. The Vikings need to scare them that they won’t get Blackmon. Let the poker game begin!

  24. By Mike R. on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    One of the NFL Network talking heads said about WR Streeter 6’4 215 and could possibly run 4.3’s? I want to watch the field exercises. Last year Julio Jones impressed the he’ll out of me. Especially running and catching the gauntlet

  25. By DeerTracks on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    MSNBC Combine Update has Frazier gussing how he thinks Ponder will save the Viking Ship from sinking any further down the drain, but at the same time ‘hinting’ He will use “Due Diligence” just in case RGIII happens to NOT be gone…

    Transilated, means he doesn’t understand he has TWO EXCELLANT FUTURE QB’s just waiting to bust out!!! If Frazier had a brain, he would known that he needs an Offensive Line NOW to give either Ponder or Webb time to play!!!

    Think on that Frazier, forget about the ‘pie in the sky’ fancy QB’s…Think about the good QB’s you already have…jeeez!!!!

  26. By oker-doker on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    Tru-dat fellas, tru-dat. who dat? we dat! Kalil 1, get B. Lloyd in here. Coaches talk about Webb’s athleticism, can we see him catcth a few games please. No blazer, use him in screens. Gerhart’s a pounder isn’t he?

  27. By Jeff on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    nah, we shouldn’t go for Blackmon. They say he has speed, but not necessarily the best hands, and that he has stuff to learn…not exactly words that instill confidence.

    We should go with whoever seems to give us the best guarantee of a good pick, and that looks like Kalil. Plus, as far as WR’s go, hopefully we can pick up Garcon in free agency to be our deep threat.

  28. By Rogerthevikefan on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    Wrs Stephen Hill and Brian Quick could still be around in the 4th. Both are 6’4 and should run a 4.6 at the slowest. Hill most impressive stat was his yards per catch he would get atleast 20 yards per catch in a run first offence. Hill is a very good run blocker. Quick is pretty new to football since he started playing as a senior in high school so he has a lot of room to grow and could end up being the best Wr in this draft class when he is done.

  29. By sandiamond on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    fuller, hill, quick,streeter doesn’t matter that much. Need one tall end zone dude for the nfc north no doubt

  30. By Rogerthevikefan on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    Sorry meant 4.5 at the slowest. Stay away from Fuller he is King of the DROP.

  31. By Rogerthevikefan on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    Blackmon is OVER-RATED. He is a no. 2 wr.

  32. By Mike R. on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    Luck,RGIII not going to throw till pro day.
    I thought I heard RB Richardson and WR Blackmon not going to run cause of minor injuries or hamstring tweaks. WTF? I know things happen. These guys may be great at the pro level in the future but come on…I’d rather have the Vikings take a look at players of need that showcase what they have and try their darndest to impress the scouts/media.

  33. By Mike R. on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    RGIII said he’d rather showcase his skills on pro day not at Combine where he would be comfortable with the players and scheme. Well that sounds like a player that could step up and lead his team through adversity (not!) Sorry, he may be a great 1st round pick but not what I would want to hear if you are the team taking him in the 1st round.

  34. By Stew on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    How do you all feel about us drafting Donald Brown, OLB from North Carolina in the second round? He is 6’2, 232. They say he could possibly run a 4.3 at the combine. Maybe he can help solve the linebacker problem if they let E.J go. It would improve our pass defense a lot.

  35. By Stew on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    What ever happened to the 1st round tenders we had on Sidney Rice and Ray Edwards?

  36. By 61Vikings on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    @Rudso
    WHAT???? You can’t build your OL through the draft and free agency, did you really say that!!! How else do you build an OL?? To me the first round should be for playmakers and if you can get RG3 or Blackmon, you take him!! The last time I checked an OL does not catch the ball or carry the ball!! Kalil maybe the obvious choice, but he isn’t a playmaker, and we desperately need playmakers on this team!! If you look at Rick Spielmans’ drafts’ from the past, he always drafts playmakers in the first round!! I’m hoping the Rams don’t trade their pick and take Blackmon out of fear that he won’t be on the board when they draft, if they trade their pick to the ‘Skins or Browns!!! You always draft your OL from the draft, period!!!! If you look at Viking teams that made it to the NFC championship games or Superbowls, they had great OL and DL”s!!!!!

  37. By Parody on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    Stew – The agreement that the players finally came to with the NFL made those tenders invalid. They decided that you can’t be a restricted free agent after having been in the league for 3+ years. Speculation, however, is that we’ll still get compensatory picks for them. It could be as good as getting an extra pick at the end of the 3rd and 4th round each.

  38. By Parody on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    61 Vikings – We have playmakers on this team. Peterson, Harvin, Gerhart, Rudolph, and Webb are all playmakers in their own right. If you keep on ignoring the OL, it won’t matter how many playmakers you have on the team.

    But your arguments seem to be self-contradictory. At one point you say that we must keep on taking playmakers in the first round, and then you point out that the good teams all have great OLs. Those OLs are grounded by solid 1st round draft choices. We have the worst LT in the league. That needs to change by grabbing the best LT in the draft.

  39. By Stew on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    @Parody
    Wow, well lets keep our fingers crossed! Its like nothing never works in our favor when it come to the NFL.

  40. By GrandDaddyPurp on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    3rd Overall Pick- OT Matt Kalil
    The solution to our poor LT play. If Kalil is taken by the rams who i expect to trade back with a team that wants RGIII then we take Justin Blackmon or Riley Reiff. Either way I feel our LT problem should be solved in the 1st round and no where else.

    35th Overall Pick- CB Chase Minnifield
    I previously had Kelechi Osemele and Vontaze Burfict here. The consensus on this site is that OLine and Secondary are the 2 biggest needs this offseason. This pick could be used to take players of other positions but Minnifeild does more than just fill a need for us. He is without question the best zone coverage corner in this draft. So he is a player that fills a need and fits our defensive scheme.

    67th Overall Pick- CB Stephon Gilmore
    I previously had Trumaine Johnson here. After comparing the two there were two factors to me that gave Gilmore an edge over Johnson. First, Gilmore’s ability to tackle and be physical with opposing wideouts, where Johnson would shy away from contact and did not make an impact in the run game. Second, Gilmore is better suited in a Cover 2 defense. Johnson saw a lot more man-to-man in college.

    With Chris Cook’s future with the Vikes in question and an aging Antione Winfield who could be cut because of his high salary, cornerback is a position that needs to be addressed in the draft. Even if Cook and Winfield stay with the Vikings, having 4 guys that can actually play zone defense would be huge. Especially in a division that features the high scoring passing games of the Packers and Lions. Having a replacement for Winfield allows him to mentor these young CBs and allows the team to focus on other positions in the future

  41. By Gary on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    Gilmore won’t be there at #67, some mocks have him going in round 1. At #67 you take the best WR on the board. AND what about the second pick the Vikes are owed from the Giants in the Rosenfels-Reynaud trade?????

  42. By GrandDaddyPurp on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    If you look at all the top 100 prospects lists most of them actually have Gilmore ranked at #67 so he could be there.

  43. By GrandDaddyPurp on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    DT Kendall Reyes is a player to think about at pick 67 if hes available

  44. By Mike R. on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    Secondary is one of the Vikings’ pressing needs. Watch the Combine field workout for the secondary. You can tell who is fluid in change in direction and going for the ball and who is just a product of their respective school’s system.

  45. By Parody on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    GDP – I agree with with Gary. Too many people are interested in Gilmore. I’ve been looking at a lot of mock drafts, and most of them have Gilmore going somewhere in the late first round. However, I think his stock has been falling a little in the past month, so you never know.

  46. By Parody on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    IF he does fall into the 3rd round, I would be exstatic for us to pick him.

  47. By Parody on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    Gary – I’m not sure about that pick, but I’ve looked up the picks that we have this year, and three trades are affecting that:
    Our 6th round pick was traded to the Skins for McNabb
    We got Cleveland’s 6th round pick from the Jayme Mitchèll trade a few years ago
    We got Philly’s 7th round pick from the Patriots via the Randy Moss trade.

    Assuming that we get two compensatory selections, that puts us at 10, which I’ve recently learned is the maximum number of picks any team is allowed to have before the draft begins, (teams are allowed to trade for more picks during the draft).

  48. By Parody on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    *It’s possible that the trade Gary referenced was for the Giants’ 7th-round pick this year. In that case, it would be the latest pick (since the Giants are the Super Bowl champs) and would be the first one relinquished to the 10-pick limit.

  49. By Parody on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    If that’s the case, I hope the Vikings trade a few late-round picks for some depth players, since they’ll essentially just get the picks right back anyways.

  50. By Spencer *10 Days* on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    Take the Wonderlic Test…

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1073997-nfl-combine-2012-how-smart-are-you-time-to-take-the-wonderlic-test

  51. By OTKalil2012 on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    Just as I posted a few days ago…Eagles are looking to trade (trouble maker) DeSean Jackson…The only way (old car salesman Andy Reid) the Eagles “franchise tag” D Jack is if they find a team foolish enough trade draft picks for the next B Berrian wash out…D Jack is a locker room cancer…And was pulling up short of contact last season…Any team trading for this trouble maker would be NUTS !!!…Stay away Vikings !!!…No more Eagle or Bear trouble players !!!…

  52. By Parody on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    Good advice OTK. It’s time we start expanding our horizons and start looking for Patriot and Cowboy troublemakers!

  53. By Mike R. on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    OT

    Oh no…. So maybe the Vikes get DJack and Eagles get players and draft picks (sound like H. Walker trade?). The Eagles will have the key components to a dynasty. I agree OT. Don’t do it! Attitude sux! I am surrounded by local Eagles fans. They even agree!

  54. By Mike B. on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    I just listened to Frazier’s PC. Joe Webb is a good #2 QB. I have been saying all along that that’s how the coaches have Webb pegged at. He is a good #2 QB.

  55. By Mike B. on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    Spielman said they are going to interview Luck and RG3. Wonder what Fred will say of Rick picks one of those guys. What happens to Ponder or Webb?

  56. By Gary on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    Parody – Thanks for the info. I was not aware there was a ceiling on the number of picks a team could have coming into the draft. Where did you find that info?

  57. By Gary on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    Parody – According to Mike W on 09/03/10, the cost for Rosenfels & Reynaud was an undisclosed 2011 pick AND and a conditional 2012 pick. The 2011 pick turned out to be a 5th rounder. Will there be a conditional pick coming for 2012?

  58. By Parody on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    Gary – I’ve played a lot of Madden, and it always had a 10-pick limit when the draft came around. For the longest time I just assumed that was a limitation of the game, and not representative of reality. I think I just did a google search for it and came up with an answer. I just searched again, and found that the answer wasn’t exactly what you would call a credible source: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_draft_picks_are_allowed_in_the_NFL_draft_per_team

    But until I see something different, I’m going to assume that this is a fact. If it is, then I’ll stick by my conclusion that the 2012 pick will be a 7th rounder, and nixed because it exceeds the 10-pick limit. It all makes sense with the “facts” that I have. Rosenfels wasn’t with the Giants, and Reynaud did almost nothing with them this year. His stats are zeroes all across except for the return game, so it looks like a safe bet that he didn’t do enough to meet any conditions to move it beyond the minnimum agreed upon trade.

  59. By Parody on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    Wait, I didn’t look at Reynaud’s stats close enough. Turns out that I was looking at 2010 stats, which appears to be the last year he was in the league, (no 2011 listing). So since neither Reynaud or Rosenfels was with the Giants this year, I’m certain that the minnimum trade will be paid for them.

  60. By Mike R. on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    I just saw Kalil on the Combine field with announcer Brian Billick on NFL Network. Billick said he was 6’5 and it was good “to look at or up to an OL”. Is this Ron Yary 2.0? I hope so….

  61. By DRS on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    This is from,

    http://www.startribune.com/local/blogs/140329523.html

    Nader slams Vikings stadium financing plan

    February 23, 2012

    Governor Mark Dayton

    Mayor R.T. Rybak

    Minneapolis City Council

    Ladies and Gentlemen:

    It’s not too late to do the right thing.

    There’s still time to stop this egregious public handout –in the form of a sparkling new publicly-financed stadium — to the ownership of the Minnesota Vikings, a privately-owned sports and entertainment franchise in a league, the NFL, that’s a government-sanctioned unregulated monopoly.

    There’s still time to say “No!” to the behind-the-scenes dealing and still time to say “Yes!” to a voter referendum that respects your taxpayers.

    Zygi Wilf, and his brother Mark, bought the Vikings in 2005 for $600 million. According to Forbes, the franchise is now worth $774 million. Not a bad rate of appreciation.

    But they want more. They want the boost in franchise value that a publicly-financed stadium would provide. Their strategy is to use the Reverse Robin Hood Effect, “taking from the poor, the working class, and the middle class and giving to the rich,” as sports economist Robert A. Baade describes it.

    This whole stadium debate is backwards. If anything, taxpayers — and their government representatives — should be demanding that the Vikings share some of their profits with taxpayers since taxpayers are in essence business partners with Vikings’ ownership due to the fact the public built the Metrodome for the Vikings to play their games in.

    While Zygi and family are doing just fine, the state of Minnesota is looking at a projected $3.8 billion deficit this year. Is this the time for the state and the city of Minneapolis to contribute hundreds of millions of dollars to a private entity in the sports and entertainment business?

    The Vikings are proposing a stadium with a $1 billion price tag. And that’s a number that could still grow. In case after case of publicly-financed stadium deals around the country, taxpayers end up paying more than advertised due to the dreaded “cost overruns.” It’s the use of ugly “bait and switch” tactics. Reports on this Vikings stadium deal say that potential cost overruns “still have to be ironed out.” Taxpayers beware! Minnesotans, activate yourselves!

    Let’s be clear, a new football stadium for the local pro football franchise, is NOT a public works project. Public works projects are bridges, roads, sewers, drinking water systems, public transit, etc., the basic infrastructure of a community. In addition to these types of projects, taxpayer dollars should be utilized for boosting up our schools, along with providing necessary services like police and fire protection. Transferring dollars from taxpayers to pro sports franchise owners certainly doesn’t qualify as a project that addresses the public necessities of the community.

    Here’s a key consideration as you analyze this stadium plan: Rarely do these public stadium projects provide any significant economic benefits to the community. The gross and net job gains are pathetically small, especially given the level of public investment and the few games played over the course of a year.

    In fact, Stanford economist Roger Noll believes the estimated jobs effect of a subsidized sports facility is actually negative because spending at the stadium substitutes for spending elsewhere for which a greater number of people are employed per dollar spent. Noll emphatically states that publicly-financed stadiums are not a net local economic benefit.

    Do you want a safe bet? Zygi Wilf (or whoever the Vikings’ owner might be in the years ahead) will be back in 15-20 years demanding a refurbished or new stadium. As Neil deMause, author of Field of Schemes, says, “The only thing limiting how soon owners will ask for a new stadium is chutzpah.”

    Minnesota politicians still have a chance to do the right thing and take a pass on this corporate welfare plan, this giveaway of taxpayer dollars. It will require not caving in to “stadium fatigue.” It will also take courage to ignore the many “woe is me” claims from Zygi Wilf, whose investment in the Vikings is paying off just fine.

    “Publicly funded sports stadiums are like crack cocaine to local politicians and business bigwigs,” says Michael Lynch of Reason magazine. “These folks are just like addicts: They deceive everyone around them for the sake of a fix and rarely take no for an answer when voters decline to subsidize their schemes.”

    As we tell our kids when we warn them about the dangers of addictive drugs, it’s important to “Just Say No!” when it comes to the dangerous allure of publicly-financed stadiums.

    Sincerely,

    Ralph Nader, Founder, League of Fans

    Ken Reed, Sports Policy Director, League of Fans

  62. By DRS on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    Now we know why politicians are dragging their feet when there is so much resistance like Ralph Nader out there. Allot of my friends in Minnesota, Democrat and Republican think as Ralph do, no wonder why Dayton and the Vikings do not want a referendum.

    I do wish people like Ralph Nader would see that there is Value in getting a new stadium, I disagree with him that stadiums do not provides jobs, but as I have talked with other Minnesotans outside the twin cities area, they tell me they do not believe that there is a need for a new stadium, they tell me some of the same things as Ralph dose.

    I am hopeful that MN can see the light and approve a new stadium this year before it is too late.

  63. By DRS on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    From League of Fans. League of Fans is a sports reform project founded by Ralph Nader to encourage social & civic responsibility in sports industry & culture.

    http://leagueoffans.org/cor/

    Viking fans what do you say? I say get a new Stadium now and prove the Voters and Ralph wrong.

  64. By DRS on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    http://www.startribune.com/politics/140367053.html

    Vikings stadium: The early vote counting begins

  65. By DRS on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    http://www.twincities.com/localnews/ci_20024111

    Vikings stadium: Hopes for Arden Hills site flicker anew

  66. By GrandDaddyPurp on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    Mike R- after watching that video I think its safe to say Kalil will be our pick at #3 unless the rams take him. To good to pass up for a Blackmon or Claiborne

  67. By sandiamond on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    Fans get first-time look at the NFL Combine Sunday

    http://www.fox59.com/news/wxin-fans-get-first-time-look-at-nfl-combine-20120224,0,7513698.column

  68. By DRS on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    Vikings want Webb to focus on quarterback
    Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on February 24, 2012, 11:55 AM EST

    Getty ImagesDon’t expect to see Joe Webb line up at wide receiver in the future.

    Vikings coach Leslie Frazier indicated Friday that the team wants Webb to focus exclusively at quarterback to help his development at the position. Frazier indicated the team will minimize the extra packages that got Webb on the field in creative ways.

  69. By DRS on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    Frazier said Webb is a solid No. 2 quarterback and can get better. We wonder if they are truly helping the team by taking one of their most dangerous players off the field. Then again, perhaps focusing on quarterback exclusively will help Webb someday pass C-h-r-i-s-t-i-a-n Ponder and stay on the field every snap.

  70. By DRS on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    The Vikings head coach also talked about Percy Harvin’s usage. They want to get him on the field more next season, even if it’s only as a decoy. Coaches at the Senior Bowl told Frazier how much they fear Harvin.

  71. By DRS on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/140390793.html

    Despite pressure from the governor, the mayor and Vikings boosters, a seven-member council majority say they’re taking their cues from constituents opposed to a $300 million public sports subsidy without a referendum.

  72. By DRS on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/140383123.html

    INDIANAPOLIS – Brandon Weeden isn’t a scout. And he isn’t staying at a Holiday Inn Express while at the NFL combine this weekend. But that didn’t stop the Oklahoma State quarterback from delivering a confident scouting report on receiver Justin Blackmon.

    All these questions about Blackmon’s speed that seem to be shadowing the Oklahoma State playmaker in the lead-up to the draft?

    “Turn on the film,” Weeden said Friday afternoon. “The guy pulls away from everybody. You turn on the film and no one catches up to him.”

  73. By DRS on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/140384843.html

    INDIANAPOLIS – Vikings head coach Leslie Frazier spoke with Adrian Peterson on Thursday, just another regular check-in with his star running back. Only Peterson, fully aware Frazier was hard at work at the NFL combine, wasn’t shy about offering advice.

    “He had his GM hat on,” Frazier said. “He was telling me who we should be thinking about drafting. He tends to do that. He’ll call me up and text me, ‘Hey, have you seen this guy? You need to.’ I’m like, ‘Man. What’s he doing?’ He’s a draft guru.”

  74. By DRS on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    Adrian Peterson as GM, HMMM, that would be interesting, maybe in a few years when he retires.

  75. By DRS on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/140328883.html

    It’s official: Joe Webb will be a quarterback and a quarterback only in 2012

  76. By DRS on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    http://www.twincities.com/vikings/ci_20038724?source=rss

    INDIANAPOLIS – The Minnesota Vikings are optimistic about the return of cornerback Cedric Griffin in 2012 despite his $4.10 million salary, said coach Leslie Frazier, who cited Griffin’s potential full recovery from two torn anterior cruciate ligaments in 2010.

  77. By DRS on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    http://www.twincities.com/vikings/ci_20032875?source=rss

    INDIANAPOLIS – Matt Kalil is the kind of left tackle football traditionalists covet.

    Standing on a podium at the NFL scouting combine at 6 feet 6 and 314 pounds, the former Southern California star has a pro football bloodline. Brother Ryan is a Pro Bowler for the Carolina Panthers, and his father, Frank, who played in the United States Football League in the 1980s, taught Matt how to play during sun-soaked days at Butterfield Park in Corona, Calif.

    Kalil looks the part of an offensive line’s cornerstone for the next decade and a quarterback’s closest friend.

    He’s got a “nasty demeanor” on the field, Vikings general manager Rick Spielman said.

  78. By DRS on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/blogs/140317903.html

    Will the Vikings use the No. 3 pick in April’s draft on Southern Cal’s Matt Kalil, who’s widely regarded as the top offensive tackle available? That remains to be seen with general manager Rick Spielman and head coach Leslie Frazier trying to make a determination on how important the left tackle position is in the grand scheme of things.

    But even if the Vikings opted to pass on Kalil, they’re confident they might be able to land a quality left tackle later in the draft — perhaps in the middle to late stages of the first round if they decided to trade back or even at the top of Round 2 if necessary. Behind Kalil, Iowa’s Riley Reiff, Stanford’s Jonathan Martin, Ohio State’s Mike Adams and Florida State’s Zebrie Sanders are all worth keeping on the radar.

    So what does all this mean for Charlie Johnson, who started all 16 games last season at left tackle? There’s a strong chance Johnson will be asked to move inside to play guard, a scenario head coach Leslie Frazier openly discussed this morning.

  79. By DeerTracks on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    DRS, If Frazier is so hot on Webb becoming a better QB, than why is Frazier hinting about a chance at RGIII?

    Sounds like he wants his cake and eat it too..

    DRS, Prove the voters and Nadar wrong? In what way?

    Mike B…Yopu have a valid Question on what would happen to Ponder and Webb if RGIII arrives on the Vikings Team…Any room left under the Bus???

  80. By DRS on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/blogs/140301323.html

    Some quick advice for draft-obsessed fans of the Access Vikings blog: Have fun hypothesizing about what the Vikings might do with the No. 3 pick and the nine other selections they expect to have for April. But don’t get consumed with trying to solve the team’s strategy. Not yet anyway.

    The reality: Round 1 of the draft is still nearly nine weeks away and there are way too many things yet to unfold around the league that will alter the Vikings’ philosophy. For starters, free agency opens March 13. So by St. Patrick’s Day, the draft needs of a majority of NFL teams will have shifted based on all that happens on the open market.

    Beyond that, the Vikings’ draft plans will very likely hinge on what the St. Louis Rams hope to do in front of them at No. 2. Assuming Indianapolis is a lock to draft quarterback Andrew Luck with the top overall pick, the Rams will have three likely options:

    •Draft Matt Kalil from Southern Cal, a difference-making offensive tackle who the Vikings could also use.
    •Select Oklahoma State receiver Justin Blackmon, another big-time talent who could lend spark to the Vikings’ offense.
    •Trade the No. 2 pick to a quarterback-starved team that is desperate to get its hands on Baylor quarterback Robert Griffin III.
    That last scenario is creating the most buzz right now. And new Rams coach Jeff Fisher will speak at the NFL Combine later this morning to perhaps shed more light on his draft wants and needs. But even the Rams are at the mercy of what those quarterback-starved teams do in the coming weeks.

  81. By DRS on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    DeerTracks, that a new stadium is an good investment for Minnesota and that it will bring good paying jobs to Minnesota.

  82. By DRS on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    DeerTracks, you asked, DRS, If Frazier is so hot on Webb becoming a better QB, than why is Frazier hinting about a chance at RGIII?

    Answer, IMO so that he could have 3 top notch QB’s, and maybe use RGIII as trading material.

  83. By Spencer on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    Unreal. Leslie Frazier is not committed to winning, hes more concerned about keeping the players he likes happy. What on Earth did Cedric Griffin do that should allow him to stay on this team? This guy kicks Bryant Mckinnie off the team because he didnt keep his weight down during the off-season, but wants to keep Griffin on the team despite him doing Absolutely Nothing? Leslie is just a terrible head coach. Who in their right mind would want to play for that stoic faced Loser.

    http://www.twincities.com/vikings/ci_20038724?source=rss

  84. By DRS on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    DeerTracks, Voters and Nader think that the new stadium Issue is a bad idea which will not bring to many jobs to MN and is not worth the tax dollars to build it.

  85. By Spencer on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    He was arguably the Worst Cornerback in the league thats year. Every week it seemed as though Cedric Griffin found new, creative ways to get embarrassed on the football field. The fact that Leslie wants to keep the bona-fide Scrub on the team speaks volumes. I could honestly care-less if he gives his absolute best. At the end of the day a football players job is to perform on the football field!

  86. By DRS on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    Spencer, are you saying that Leslie Frazier is chilly the second? Should we not give him some more time to prove himself, a year or two? After all he has been head coach for only a year or so. He inherited a mess from his predecessor so it may take some time, will it not?

  87. By Spencer *9 Days* on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    Just 9 more days….9 more days.

  88. By DRS on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    Spencer *9 Days* who should we get in FA?

  89. By Spencer *9 Days* on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    I never thought Chilly was a bad coach. The year he got fired everybody blamed him even though the reason why we lost games were in large part due to Brett Favre. The defense was really good that year, but the problem was the offense didnt score points.

  90. By Spencer *9 Days* on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    And it doesnt matter who I think we should get, nobody wants to come play for the Minnesota Vikings anyways. last season our big acquisition was Michael Jenkins, I expect a similar “splash” this year.

  91. By DRS on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    Spencer *9 Days*, how could any QB done any better when the O-Line was like swish cheese? The O-Line has been a week spot for at least 3 years or so, and no that is not a miss spelling.

  92. By DRS on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    Spencer *9 Days* I have to agree with you when you say it doesn’t matter who I think we should get, nobody wants to come play for the Minnesota Vikings anyways, IMO the stadium Issue is one more reason as well.

  93. By Spencer *9 Days* on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    But a player I think we may get is Chaz Schilens. Hes pretty much an after-thought by the Raiders. Hes a WR with great speed and size- 6’4, 225, 4.38 40, and has a 43in vertical. The only concern is that hes injury-prone.

  94. By DRS on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/blogs/140196733.html

    Vikings general manager Rick Spielman spoke with reporters for more than a half-hour this afternoon at the NFL combine in Indianapolis, first meeting with writers from the Twin Cities, then later taking the podium at Lucas Oil Stadium for a brief press conference. Among the more noteworthy things we learned

    1) The color of money for the Vikings as they head toward free agency is blue. And purple. And red.
    If you’re into technical football speak, then you’ll want to listen closely in the coming weeks as Spielman uses a color-coded system to label Vikings players and those the team may court through free agency.

    It goes like this:

    •Blue players are top-of-the-line difference makers, Pro Bowl-caliber
    standouts – guys like Jared Allen and Adrian Peterson.

    •Red players are legitimate starters, guys who can be relied on to contribute significantly for 16 games.

    •And purple players are lower-tier guys, role players and special teams contributors.

    The Vikings’ quest going forward is developing a plan that synchronizes the front office’s personnel strategy with the specific needs the coaching staff expresses to make the offensive and defensive systems work. Say, for example, the Vikings determine they ideally want to operate with four blue players, five reds and two purples on their defense, next come the valuable discussions to determine what positions the blue players are most needed and which positions can get by with purple starters hidden.

    At that point, it’s up to Spielman to alter his free agency and draft wish lists in accordance with the coaches’ wishes.

    The big questions are being asked.

    Said Spielman: “Where do you want to allocate your money on the blue positions on offense and defense? … I sat down with all the coaches and with Leslie [Frazier] and said, ‘Tell me where you want our blue money to be.’”

  95. By DeerTracks on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    DRS, I don’t want to get in a P!ssing contest with you or anybody else, as I can write my name faster and quicker in a snowbank then you can…Bigger letters also… I don’t think you are a Minnesota Taxpayer are you…

    The Taxpayers of Minnesota don’t all live in the area of a where a New Stadium would be buildt….The Stadium would be a private Business for the Wilff’s.

    As for all those jobs you speak of would be just what kind, and where?.

  96. By Spencer *9 Days* on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    Chaz Schilens is faster than Sidney Rice( 4.38 vs 4.50) And has a higher vertical than Rice( 43in vs 39in)

  97. By DRS on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/02/15/playbook-draft-free-agency-go-hand-in-hand/

    The Kalil route: Kalil is a big, athletic tackle who could use a few more pounds but can cover all kinds of ground as a run and pass blocker.

    If the Vikings can sure up their blocking situations, it could be wise for them to try and acquire another weapon to pair with WR Percy Harvin, whether that player is a big name (Vincent Jackson or Dwayne Bowe) or a speedster like WR Pierre Garcon to take advantage of another domed environment.

    Cornerback would remain an issue if the Vikings select Kalil, and CB Cortland Finnegan is the only real prize on the free-agency market. But Brandon Carr, Jason Allen, and Tracy Porter are available and would certainly provide upgrades over what the Vikings currently possess.

    “Playbook” — the ultimate football Xs and Os show – aired Thursday and Friday on NFL Network during the season. Check the NFL Network broadcast schedule for further details. Follow “Playbook” on Twitter @NFLN_Playbook.

  98. By Parody on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    DeerTracks – I think that the team is hinting at going after RG3 to hide their true draft intentions. It’s like a poker game. The less other teams know what you intend to do, the easier it will be for you to do it.

  99. By DRS on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    DeerTracks I am not trying to, as you say it, get in to a p-i-s-s-i-n-g contest with you. No I am not a Minnesota tax payer; we have little to no snow here in NM. Do you not think that the tax payers should pay some of the stadium cost, for will they not use it as well? I would suggest to the state of MN to put a .02% tax on all restaurant sales to support the Vikings, that way everyone from MN and them who come to MN would help pay for the new stadium. BTW I was a Minnesota tax payer before moving from there.

  100. By Parody on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    Spencer – Why do you refuse to accept the fact that the injury Cedric suffered to his knees is known to take 2-years for a full recovery? We’re giving him a chance this year to show that he has recovered and can still play in the NFL.

    And yet, you choose to give Cook your support even though it’s a good bet that a criminal will be a repeat offender. Sure, he’s good on the field, but what’s the point of keeping him on the team if he’s going to keep finding ways to keep himself off the field? Don’t get me wrong. I want to give Cook one more chance. But I also want to give Cedric one more chance. That’s consistancy. You should try it. It’s much better than hypocrisy.

  101. By DRS on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    DeerTracks, would there not be construction Jobs, Hotel, Motel, and such type Jobs? DeeTracks are you agreeing with Ralph Nader? What should the Viking do then, move?

  102. By Parody on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    And FYI – McKinnie’s weight was not his first offense. McKinnie did a lot of questionable things while he was on this team. The loveboat scandal, putting his recording career in front of his NFL career, losing production on the field. The weight in this offseason was just the final straw. He said he was going to take care of it on his own and he didn’t. Showed that he can’t be trusted. Not by our team anyways.

  103. By DRS on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    DeerTracks, the voters do not want their tax money going to a new stadium, so what should the vikings do?

  104. By sandiamond on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    kalil ran a 4.9! wow. even more impressive was cordy glenn(345) 4.9 and now some are saying a new LT prospect with the quick feet

  105. By DRS on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    sandiamond IMO the Vikings need to get the best LT they can and as high as they can in the draft and or by FA.

  106. By DRS on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    have to go, so will blog later, see you all later.

  107. By sandiamond on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    DRS yep agree, we need to be prepared if kalil is gone or we trade down. LT #1 need will still be there

  108. By Parody on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    DRS – I agree with that except for the Free Agency part. If we don’t get a good LT in the draft, we’re not getting a good LT.

  109. By sandiamond on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    C.Glenn at LT#71 vs LSU last year / he’s a beast!

  110. By Parody on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    So why do my draft boards list Glenn as a guard if he is so good at LT?

  111. By sandiamond on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    Parody he is the number 5 ranked tackle(R) with the first 4 being (L) tackles. I guess he is also the #2 or #3 ranked G behind DeCastro. Talk about versatility!

  112. By Stoney on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    If we keep Ced G, his contract better be restructured! Kalil at #3 if Spielman has half a brain.

  113. By Craig on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    I have a bad feeling that the Vikings are going to break my heart again this year. Why would you try and shop your #3 pick when you have a solid O-lineman for the next 10 years? The Vikings need help up front and in the secondary. The secondary has been an issue since I’ve been a Vikings fan (1986). There are some solid players available at safety and corner. I love Goldson from San Fran and Courtland Finnegan from Tenn. If the Vikings close the deal for these free agents, then they can work on the O-line and WR positions. We still need a run stopper to replace Pat Williams too. Finally, how does a team go from the NFC Championship game 3 years ago to 3-13? I don’t think Frazier is a good fit for head coach. Our worst season for as long as I can remember.

  114. By sandiamond on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    Frazier’s guy? could be our 2nd round cornerback

  115. By Craig on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    I’ve heard a lot of talk about moving back to get more picks, but what if we move forward? We are in a good position to move up two spots and grab Andrew Luck. I personally think Luck will be a great pro QB for the next 10 to 15 years. Imagine that Viking fans…not having to worry about drafting a QB for 10 to 15 years :) I know what your thinking…We have Ponder. What was our record again?

  116. By Spencer *9 Days* on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    It doesnt matter how great a Quarterback is if the offensive line can not protect him. No Quarterback can be effective with only 1.5sec in the pocket. It just amazes me how people seem to always disregard the o-line.

  117. By sandiamond on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    Spence a big thanks goes out to Frederick Jones.I was one of those before…..

  118. By Spencer *9 Days* on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    Im not gonna lie either, so was I.

  119. By sandiamond on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    We even got big guy AD behind us now

  120. By Craig on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    Did the Giants have a Pro Bowl LT? NO, but they had Eliah Manning. Brett Farve had the same O-line and how did he do? NFC Championship game. Ponder isn’t the answer and in two years when the Vikings staff decide to go in a different direction, the best QB for the next 10 to 15 years would have been within their grasp and they passed on him. This is our best draft position since 1968 and you say O-line? How has Joe Thomas (Browns) and Jake Long (Miami) helping win Super Bowls? Both men are better than Matt Kalil. What do both teams have in common? No QB! And where will the Vikings be after this year….looking for another QB.

  121. By sandiamond on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    V.Burfict in high school….. another outstanding film clip

  122. By Spencer *11 Days* on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    Man Sandiamond, you love yourself some Vontzae Burfict haha.

  123. By Spencer *9 Days* on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    He is a beast, but he gets an enormous amount of late hits and stupid penalties.

  124. By sandiamond on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    Yes! 100 percent sold

  125. By sandiamond on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

  126. By Spencer *9 Days* on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    Im not sold.

  127. By sandiamond on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    It’s a long-shot anyway but I believe he could be the co-commander of the D with Jared Allen. if not then maybe a new Pat Williams type on the DL

  128. By Spencer *9 Days* on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    He would give us something we dont have though- An unquestioned leader on the defense. I still dont know who our leader on that side of the ball is..

  129. By Mike R. on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    Now another QB (Osweiler) is not going to show off his throwing skills at the Combine. Do these QBs think they are Second Coming?? Yes, they may make the grade in the NFL but someone i think is giving them bad advice.

  130. By sandiamond on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    regardless we need playmakers to help Jared on D just like Percy on O. Allen could use a re-focus next year and probably needs to quit counting sack totals

  131. By Spencer *9 Days* on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    Allen should also try to get some sacks in the 4th Quarter. He had a grand total of 3, yes 3, sacks in the 4th Quarter.

  132. By sandiamond on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    How about Tannehill ? hope he comes into trade play with teams wanting another QB

  133. By Mike R. on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    sandiamond

    Tannehill is throwing tommorrow. Maybe he will show what he’s got. I know QB is not a priority like…ummm….O-Line!!! But it reminds me of ’98 with Manning and Leaf draft. Also Hasselback and Griese were drafted later rounds same year.

  134. By Mike R. on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    Or the years when Andre Ware,Dan McGwire, or David Klingler were drafted

  135. By Spencer *9 Days* on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    What day do the players at the skill positions run the 40?

  136. By Spencer *9 Days* on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    I dont care what anybody says- this was uncalled for..

  137. By Mike R. on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    Tommorrow is QB,RB and WR

  138. By sandiamond on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    Mike you have a good memory back in the culpepper day

  139. By Mike R. on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    sandiamond

    lol…yes, a little. the worst part is I thought Manning was going to be a bust. I think it was because past Tenn QBs? Heath Schuler and..?

  140. By sandiamond on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    forgot about WR tomorrow. vikings.com staff should be out in full force
    can’t wait to see the DL and LB monday

  141. By Mike R. on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    Is LB Manning at Combine? LB Bobby Wagner is not cause he is in hospital this weekend with pneumonia…Would have liked to see his skills

  142. By sandiamond on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    yea should be there. Nobody has heard much of anything about him. We’ll see if he gets the attention or stays under the radar. scout dept did acknowledge me back btw

  143. By Mike R. on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    sandiamond

    Did Scout dept give you the “Ok, we’ll check into him (not)” ?

  144. By NovaScotiaVike on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    By Spencer *9 Days* on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply
    “Allen should also try to get some sacks in the 4th Quarter. He had a grand total of 3, yes 3, sacks in the 4th Quarter”. By Spencer *9 Days* on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply
    He would give us something we dont have though- An unquestioned leader on the defense. I still dont know who our leader on that side of the ball is.”. I come back from a week in Belize, of deep-sea fishing and having a great time , and I read this…..Go away, you’re not a Viking’s fan.

  145. By NovaScotiaVike on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    Praise Chris Crook and dump on Allen??????????????????

  146. By NovaScotiaVike on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    ” Self-Defence- Spence “?????????

  147. By Mike R. on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    Nova

    I think if we had another guy on the other side or in the middle, just think what Allen could do!!! Even more :-)

    PS how was the deep sea fishing?

  148. By NovaScotiaVike on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    Mike R……Belize was, as usual, hot humid and Heavenly. I caught a few large wahoo, but the highlight was a 460lb Bull Shark. We gaffed him and cut him loose, but I’ve never landed a Bull Shark before, and after seeing one up close, I know why they are called Bull Sharks.

  149. By NovaScotiaVike on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9kkfX1d6N4

  150. By Spencer *9 Days* on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    I think Allen is a great player but his 4th quarter production is very concerning.

  151. By NovaScotiaVike on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    VERY CONCERNING……..Maybe Allen should follow Chris Crook’s example and strangle a defenceless woman, causing her to be deaf in one ear, get locked up, therefore saving his 4th-quarter sacks stats????

  152. By NovaScotiaVike on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    By missing the next few games nobody would care about his sack totals, like noboddy cares about the C C

  153. By Spencer *9 Days* on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    Nova, you have me all wrong. I have never and will never did Cook for strangling his girl. The only thing I defend is his on the field abilities.

  154. By NovaScotiaVike on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    ” Will never did “??

  155. By NovaScotiaVike on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    Anyway, I’m sunburned tired, and can’t wait to get back.

  156. By Spencer *9 Days* on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    I meant defend, not did

  157. By NovaScotiaVike on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    That’s what you saidn’t.

  158. By Mike R. on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    My guess is the Packers tommorrow are going to take a hard look at a late round QB (or maybe he isn’t at the Combine at all). Just in case Flynn moves on…What a career Flynn has been having…Win LSU national title..only get drafted in 7th round…backing up Rodgers (career back up?) Only to have a shot at QB. I guess it pays to wait….

  159. By Frederick Jones on Feb 26, 2012 | Reply

    The bloggers I appreciate the most are:

    Titus…a steady blogger for years, always has your back, and seems to get along with everyone. I appreciate your knowledge of the game, and people.

    NovaScotiaVike…known as much for his dog, Nova also packs a punch with his dry humor. He also is supportive, and we have never had a battle.

    DRS…The stadium guy. The DRS does not always agree with me, but allows me to have my freedom of speech.

    Shawn…we had a legendary battle once, but now find we seem to have many areas in which we agree.

    Carl K., ….not a frequent blogger any more, but man this dude made sense.

    Viking61: I just love the fact that this guy enjoyed the days of Eller, Page, Marshall, and Larsen. He knows what it takes to win football games when it comes to the draft, free agency, and trades.

    I have enjoyed many other people on this site, of course. But my memory is fleeting!!!

  160. By Frederick Jones on Feb 26, 2012 | Reply

    1. By 61Vikings on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply
    @Rudso
    WHAT???? You can’t build your OL through the draft and free agency, did you really say that!!! How else do you build an OL?? To me the first round should be for playmakers and if you can get RG3 or Blackmon, you take him!! The last time I checked an OL does not catch the ball or carry the ball!! Kalil maybe the obvious choice, but he isn’t a playmaker, and we desperately need playmakers on this team!! If you look at Rick Spielmans’ drafts’ from the past, he always drafts playmakers in the first round!! I’m hoping the Rams don’t trade their pick and take Blackmon out of fear that he won’t be on the board when they draft, if they trade their pick to the ‘Skins or Browns!!! You always draft your OL from the draft, period!!!! If you look at Viking teams that made it to the NFC championship games or Superbowls, they had great OL and DL”s!!!!!

    @61Vikings,
    I thought Rudso was bad. What are you trying to do?
    We need OFFENSIVE LINEMEN AND DEFENSIVE BACKS TO WIN IN THIS LEAGUE!!!
    A lousy RB or WR can have a great year with a line in place. We can stop the run, if we can at least slow down the throwing game.

    Did I misunderstand something you said? Please tell me that is true!!!

  161. By Frederick Jones on Feb 26, 2012 | Reply

    Some are worried that Webb/Ponder will not be able to lead the Vikings to the World Championship.

    I’m not worried.

    I was watching, and reading about the Vikings before 1969. That year some said that it was the offensive line that was the best part of the Vikings Offense. That defense had Eller, Marshall, Page, and Larsen.

    Joe Kapp was, in many ways, an average quarterback. But he got lots of chances to attempt bombs to Gene Washington, and John Henderson. He only had to connect once in a great while.

    The running backs Dave Osborn, and Bill Brown averaged less than 4 yards per carry. They got lots of chances because of that offensive line. Then again the defense put the offense on the field.

    We need a great team, and do not be mistaken, it is rare in the NFL to get more than 20 guys working together. The Vikings may actually have pretty good talent, but there is very little commitment to team.

    “Encourage” SPIELMAN to draft, and obtain offensive linemen and defensive backs. THOSE GUYS ARE TEAM PLAYERS. THAT IS WHAT WE NEED!!!

  162. By Frederick Jones on Feb 26, 2012 | Reply

    1. By Rudso on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply
    61Vikings, but that’s the thing, you CAN”T build your OL through draft and free agency. All the top OL will be gone in the 1st round and there aren’t good free agent OL out there. All the teams in the late 1st round will gobble up any potential starting LTs, just like every other year, specially with the debt at CB and WR in this draft.
    We really need to make it look like the Vikings are taking Blackmon at 3 to scare the Rams. The Rams no doubt want Blackmon and want the Browns #4 spot along with their #22 overall pick. They get their guy in Blockmon AND another 1st round pick? That’s almost not fair. The Vikings need to scare them that they won’t get Blackmon. Let the poker game begin!

    I am not sure what you are implying here. But the Vikings HAD BETTER do what
    they can to get an outstanding Offensive Lineman in the First Round of the Draft.

    We cannot afford to take a chance on skipping out on offensive linemen for THREE Years in a row!!!

  163. By Frederick Jones on Feb 26, 2012 | Reply

    The view that the average football fan has of an offensive lineman is amazing. The conventional thought out there is that you just need a fat guy that has good foot work within a small area of the field.

    I once had a former NFL offensive lineman as my assistant coach in basketball. This guy wrestled and played football in college. With very little prior experience, he helped win an AAU title in basketball as a player. He also ran 5 miles every day after he retired from the NFL.

    These men are great athletes.

  164. By Frederick Jones on Feb 26, 2012 | Reply

    It is alarming to hear Dan Patrick list predictions as if they were sent from
    heaven, and then to hear them repeated on Vikings.com blog. Dan Patrick is an entertainer, and has to be obnoxious.

  165. By Frederick Jones on Feb 26, 2012 | Reply

    “They are running around like it’s a Chinese fire drill out there!”
    Hank Stram, KC Chiefs Head Coach of Super Bowl VI

    WE ARE DOING IT AGAIN!!!

    Too much emphasis about other positions such as QB, WR, LB, etc.

    HAVE WE FORGOTTEN ALREADY!!!

    WE MUST HAVE OFFENSIVE LINEMEN AND DEFENSIVE BACKS

    Do not lead HOLLYWOOD Astray. He needs encouragement to pick the
    unglamorous pick. D. back yuk O line yuk

    MEN…stay focused!!!

  166. By Frederick Jones on Feb 26, 2012 | Reply

    H o l y C o w ! ! !

    “What’s going on out there?” Vince Lombardi

    Gentlemen we MUST draft an offensive lineman in the 1st Round, and probably the
    2nd Round.

    We need DEFENSIVE BACKS!!!

    Why have so many bloggers changed their minds???

    All I see written about is something called an RG3 and WRs.

    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooo!!!

  167. By Frederick Jones on Feb 26, 2012 | Reply

    Hey Hollywood, and Wobscall:

    Yes, we have plenty of “other needs.”

    They are called cornerbacks, and safeties.

    The priorities are centers, guards, and tackles.

    DON’T EVEN DARE THINK ABOUT
    ANY OTHER POSITIONS!

    WHY???

    Your stinking jobs depend on it.

  168. By Frederick Jones on Feb 26, 2012 | Reply

    I just have a very strong feeling the Vikings are going to take a WR in the first round of the draft this year, whether it be Justin Blackmon, or whoever.

    Big mistake.

    It’s like when a family of 8 goes shopping for a Chevrolet Corvette. Yeah, I guess Dad, might look pretty good going to work. But it’s not too practical!!!

  169. By Frederick Jones on Feb 26, 2012 | Reply

    What a line of baloney!

    “Sometimes when you move on from a guy it has nothing to do with character, or what they brought to the team.” Rick “HOLLYWOOD” Spielman

    Wobschall says that we need a left tackle. What??? You are clueless. We need a center, two offensive guards (if Hutchinson moves on) , and two tackles.

    Hey baby, how ya gonna get im.’

  170. By Frederick Jones on Feb 26, 2012 | Reply

    “The Voice of the Fan” starring Dan Bizzario (pun intended)

    The guy talks about how Tubby Smith, U of M Basketball coach can’t complain because he lost his best two players. Heck, I’ve seen teams lose only their best player in basketball, and go in the tank. In basketball you only play five at a time, one player can make a huge difference!

    Remember Wilt Chamberlain and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar? They were one-man teams early in their NBA careers.

    Bizzario does not understand coaching at all!!!

  171. By NovaScotiaVike on Feb 26, 2012 | Reply

    @ Fred, yeah, we always get along. Now I’ve got to get used to Feb. in Nova Scotia again. Goodnight all…..

  172. By Frederick Jones on Feb 26, 2012 | Reply

    THE VOICE OF REASON

    We must select Offensive Linemen and Defensive Backs in this draft. Any other position is an after thought.

    The Offense cannot work without a line to LEAD the way. Offensive Linemen…
    The Defense cannot stop the run, if it cannot stop the p a s s. Defensive Backs…

  173. By Frederick Jones on Feb 26, 2012 | Reply

    Posted by Ryan Cardinal on May 21, 2010 – 3:17 pm
    KFAN’s Paul Allen, who of course is also the voice of the Vikings, was recently at Winter Park and caught up with Defensive Coordinator and Assistant Head Coach Leslie Frazer, DE Brian Robison and rookie QB Joe Webb. Allen chatted with each for several minutes as the trio is participating in Organized Team Activities, which concluded for this week on Friday.

    Let’s put this baby to rest. I don’t know what the paper listed as Joe Webb’s position. Perhaps it was WR. But everything I saw, INCLUDING THIS ARTICLE SAID JOE WEBB IS A QUARTERBACK!!!

  174. By Frederick Jones on Feb 26, 2012 | Reply

    “Playing the Race Card”

    Well, it’s not a game. Racism is a very serious thing
    and it is alive right now with Tim Tebow and Jeremy Lin.

    American Caucasians are always looking for the great white
    hope. They won’t give up.

    Charles Barkley said it well, “when most people start watching
    a basketball game they immediately count the number of blacks
    and whites on the floor.”

    Racism will never go away, at least not in our lifetimes. Really it’s
    silly because it has been scientifically shown that we are all the same
    race genetically!!!

  175. By Frederick Jones on Feb 26, 2012 | Reply

    Well why wasn’t there a thinking called Vicking, when Michael Vick came into the league. He was unreal running for over 1000 yards!!! And unlike Bobby Douglass he could pass as well.

    And how about Rice-ing. NO ONE dominated football more than Jerry Rice (Except Jim Brown).

    Actually when Rice played all you heard about was Montana or Young.

    Race Card? Huh!!!

  176. By Frederick Jones on Feb 26, 2012 | Reply

    Mike Wobschall has done a very quiet job of building a wonderful blog.

    If you go back to 2009, there were very few blogs that had more than ten posts.
    Now Mike has a great following, and some of the blogs get 50 posts in an hour!!!

  177. By Frederick Jones on Feb 26, 2012 | Reply

    A lot of us are not doing much blogging these days, but we can still influence the Viking Scouts, and Spielman during this time.

    They have to quit doing the eye test on players, and begin to scout them!

    By that I mean they have to quit looking at players of the wrong positions!!!

  178. By Frederick Jones on Feb 26, 2012 | Reply

    Titus once credited me with getting Spielman hired as GM.

    IF WE ARE GOING TO MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE AT ALL AS BLOGGERS IT WILL HAVE TO BE DONE AS ONE VERY STRONG GROUP!!! I think it’s great that you have bonded together to stay on one blog, fantastic.

    About 75% of us are in favor of picking OLs and DBs in the draft (Order not with standing!!!). Let’s keep it that way, or increase our numbers.

    I accept that I was an influence on the procedure of getting Spielman hired as the GM, but I had a lot of help. Jim Souhan or the Mpls. Tribune was one of the biggest fan boosters. And then us Vikings.com bloggers stepped in.

    We cannot allow the Vikings to MAKE A MISTAKE on offensive linemen and defensive backs for the THIRD YEAR in a row.

  179. By Parody on Feb 26, 2012 | Reply

    “…and some of the blogs get 50 posts in an hour!!!”

    To be fair Fred, I think that was because you just contributed 50 posts.

    But yea, these blogs have become much more popular in recent years. I understood it when Favre came aboard. He was just too popular for everybody and their goldfish to keep themselves off the blogs. But I am surprised at the level of contribution the blogs have had this offseason, after winning only 3-games. I was sure it was going to be a ghosttown in here…at least until April rolled around. But I find that I have more trouble keeping up with the posts in this offseason than I’ve had with regular season blogs a few years back.

  180. By Frederick Jones on Feb 26, 2012 | Reply

    Try to think the way an offensive lineman might:

    What’s in it for him. He only gets credit if the team wins.

    The same is usually true of the defensive back. He might make an interception, but that’s sure not going to be every game.

    All these guys have is the T E A M.

    That is why drafting them very high (1st or 2nd round) makes so much sense, particularily with this team, because we have some big heads.

  181. By Parody on Feb 26, 2012 | Reply

    And Fred, don’t let the media fool you. Just because they say we’re considering WRs or QBs with high picks doesn’t mean it’s really true. If anything, it just helps to hide our true intentions to make it easier to get the guys we’re REALLY interested in. For instance, the Rams look things over and say, “gee, that Kalil is really awesome, maybe we shouldn’t take a chance on a trade and just pick him now. But we just got a good offer from Cleveland, and the Vikings seem to want Claiborne or Blackmon a WHOLE lot more than a LT, so we’ll be fine.” Boom! They trade back, and Kalil is still on the edge of his seat waiting to see which team he is going to anchor. The Vikings snätch him up and the healing process begins!

  182. By Frederick Jones on Feb 26, 2012 | Reply

    @Parody,

    I think I only actually wrote about 20. But in this blog, they are all original (no copies).

    I attempted to copy them over to the other blogs, but failed to do a good job with it.

    But someone will read them!!!

    It’s going to take A LOT to develop a dependable offensive line. It may take several years to get it done.

    But like everyone else, I have a life, and can only be on here at certain times!

    Good night :)

  183. By Frederick Jones on Feb 26, 2012 | Reply

    @Parody,

    Yes, you are right about that. But it doesn’t seem like the Vikings have played games in the draft the last two years.

    They have been idiots, and that only works in baseball :)

    Good Night.

  184. By Parody on Feb 26, 2012 | Reply

    After looking things over a bit, I’m thinking the Vikings just may not find a reason to try to bring in a new Pat Williams-type player this year. We could try to mimic the success of the recent Super Bowl champs in that area. Their biggest man on the DL is 323 lbs, and they were tied for 3rd in the sack category with 48 (2-behind the Vikings NFL leading 50-sacks). The Giants had trouble with the run, falling at 19th in rushing yards per game, but being in a pass happy division, I don’t think it’s something that we need to worry about very much. So hopefully young guys like Everson Griffen, D’Aundre Reed, and Chrîstian Ballard can step up thier game and start contributing enough to help keep the QB uncomfortable. Then, if we get some corners with skills, they can start making the QBs wish they just took the sack.

  185. By Parody on Feb 26, 2012 | Reply

    Well Fred, I’m just hoping that they are learning their lesson from the mistakes of previous drafts. That seems to have been proven true already, at least in part. The signing of a true GM is a step in the right direction. Now we have to wait and see if they signed the right guy, (very questionable to a lot of us at this point).

    Here’s hoping!

    Good night!

  186. By Parody on Feb 26, 2012 | Reply

    Looking the rankings over some more, I found that the Vikings had the league’s worst QB rating. Opposing QBs built up a rating of 107.6 against us. That speaks volumes against our secondary, and is further proof that they need to be the top prority of the defense in the off-season.

  187. By sandiamond on Feb 26, 2012 | Reply

    Fred Jones mock:

    Rd1 off tackle
    Rd2 off guard
    Rd3 cornerback
    Rd4 center
    Rd5 safety
    Rd6 off tackle
    Rd7 cornerback
    Rd7 off guard

    We have a long-term center on the roster: John Sullivan recently signed. Herrera, Johnson, Loadholt and Berger 25 yrs combined nfl exp. release all our lineman and start over fred?

  188. By Craig on Feb 26, 2012 | Reply

    If the draft plays out like the media is prodicting, we will be looking at Kalil, Blackman and Claiborne with our #3 pick. Kalil looked good at the Combine yesterday. His brother is a pro bowl center for the Panthers, so conventional wisdom says he will be a great pick. Our secondary has been horrific for as long as I can remember and we haven’t addressed it with a 1st round pick since Dewayne Washington in 1994. There are some studs available in free agency: Goldson, Landry, Finnegan, Ross. Blackman looks good on film, but he’s no Calvin Johnson (#2 pick). If we sign a free agent to help the secondary and draft Kalil in the 1st round and the best available DT in the second round, I’ll be happy.

  189. By Spencer *8 Days* on Feb 26, 2012 | Reply

    Our secondary hasnt always been terrible. In 2010/11 they were rated as 10th best.

  190. By DeerTracks on Feb 26, 2012 | Reply

    DRS, Yes, I agree with what Ralph Nader stated…You asked me, “Voters do not want tax money going for a stadium, what should the vikings do”? That type of question is like “Have you stopped beating your Wife? Answer Yes or No”.

    Without…repeating evverything Nader stated, I will say..A large number of out-of-state Viking fans sure are eager to have Minnesota Taxpayers buy the Zigi Wilf gang a Billion Dollar Stadium…This with a 3.8 Billion Deficit this year alone in my state!

    No voter Referendum? Why not? Our Infransture in this state has hit rock bottom! Remember the bridge in the Twin Cities that fell into the river? We need the bridges, schools , roads, etc, more then a rich Billionares’ Football team.!

    DRS, you don’t have a NFL Team in New Mexico, Move the Vikings next door, you won’t have so far to walk…Do I want the Vikings to leave? At this stage of the game, Ask me if I care… People in this State FIRST! Zigi second, if at all…

  191. By DRS on Feb 26, 2012 | Reply

    Fair enough DeerTracks, do not be surprised when the Vikings move then.

  192. By Craig on Feb 26, 2012 | Reply

    Spencer: The secondary had 9 interceptions combined in 2010, hardly stellar. Ed Reed does that by himself. The secondary was 28th last year.

  193. By Spencer *8 Days* on Feb 26, 2012 | Reply

    They were 10th in passing yards given up..

  194. By sandiamond on Feb 26, 2012 | Reply

    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  195. By sandiamond on Feb 26, 2012 | Reply

    Jeffery not on the field with other receivers for the skills test? Dwight Jones struggles continue

  196. By Stoney on Feb 26, 2012 | Reply

    Yes. O-line and DBs should be top priority! Kalil at #3 if he’s there is a no-brainer, even for the vikes!

  197. By Frederick Jones on Feb 26, 2012 | Reply

    @Parody,

    We might want to use that 107.6 rating on Spielman and anyone else who doubts that D-BACKS are a high drafting priority this year!!!

  198. By oker-doker on Feb 27, 2012 | Reply

    Tru-dat. Where’s Fred Smoot when ya need him.

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