This Week’s Monday Morning Mailbag Is Posted

Posted by Mike Wobschall on January 1, 2012 – 6:35 pm

The Vikings 2011 regular season is now over, but the Monday Morning Mailbag still has work to do. Click here to read this week’s edition.

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  1. By Mike J on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Joe Webb for QB next season the guy earned it and our team as a whole plays a lot better when he’s playing. Matt Flynn proved today that you don’t need to go in the 1st round to play in this league a 7th round pick and he carved the Lions defense. He could start for a lot of teams in the league and so can Joe if we won’t give him a fair chance then let him go get a shot somewhere else.

  2. By greatirishpotatofamine on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Matt Flynn’s a free agent??? huh?? why not?

  3. By Karen on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    A couple of things:

    1. Are we going to have a team next year??
    2. Due to the fact that the wind was blowing so hard we had to go through the rotating doors when leaving which caused alot of back up. What in the world would happen if there was an emergency and we are all standing and not even moving?? Could this be a good push to get a new stadium at Arden Hills?? Who else can I forward this to as this is very, very, serious condition. A big emergency and no one can move – kinda scarey.

  4. By Jay Seeley on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    H i Mike The Vikings are a long way from being a good not great NFL team. They need a complete overhaul from top to bottom. Do you see that ever happening soon. Thank you

  5. By TITANIUM TITUS on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Karen– the news out for the past 8 days is that the new stadium is going to happen– just relax.

  6. By jcdogg on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    All I have to say is I told you so. Joe Webb showed today why he will always be a backup and should focus more on WR. He put up 3 points in 3 quarters, while being in the red zone at least 3 times. He needs to finish his conversion to WR and the Vikings need to go draft a QB in the 6 or 7 round.

  7. By Spence on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Just a simple question……Why did Jared Allen always disappear in the 4th Quarter this year?

  8. By Steve on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    When are the Vikings going to L.A.?

  9. By chuck on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Will Leslie Frazier be fired after the end of the season, if so who will replace him? And are the vikings going to make key aquisitions in the off season at the wide reciever position/

  10. By Bigfan1 on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    The Vikings need so much who do you think they’ll take in the first round?

  11. By TITANIUM TITUS on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    GUYS AND GIRLS– PAAALLEEEEEEEZE! It is already stated over a week ago– the details are not out but all involved acknowledge a stadium deal is a near done deal and the NFL stated that the Vikings will NOT be in LA.

    Case closed. Now let’s get the players and win the Superbowl.

  12. By snags on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    hi mike, would you be able to give us a list of all the vikings that are off contract? thankyou

  13. By TITANIUM TITUS on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    How are the questions chosen for inclusion in the Monday Morning Mailbag?

  14. By TITANIUM TITUS on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Remember, the majority is rarely right. I want the minority report.

  15. By Viking Joe on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Will the Vikings trade their 3rd overall pick, to get extra picks ? As rumors go Cleveland or Washington could mortgage the farm. If they don’t will they select a CB or a LT ?

  16. By Derrick.G on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Blow it out your a$$ Spence

  17. By Derrick.G on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Ill give you a perfect reason why he disappears in the 4th. The opposing teams usually have the lead, so they RUN THE BALL, cant sack the QB when he doesnt have the ball. OR, He is triple teamed, or like today, quadruple teamed. Watch the game, or quit trolling, whichever comes first.

  18. By ozzinator on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    F off Spence, you’re an idiot

  19. By Spence on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Stop being mean.

  20. By Immureglass on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    @Derrick Don’t even bother with him reasons have been explained to him numerous times. He just chooses to ignore them and is just looking for someone to argue with him or he just wants attention.

  21. By Parody on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Maybe Spence just doesn’t understand how tough the game of football is. The fact that Jared was able to get 3.5 sacks in the game is amazing. He worked his tail off to do that. But there’s only so hard anybody can push themselves before they get beaten by fatigue. This happens to a lot of defenders. That’s a big reason for why AP always appeared to get better as the game wore on, because the defense could only handle his power for so long.

    Jared is by far the best player we have on defense, and the hardest worker throughout the game. I just wish that the team would put a few more players around him with a similar type of work ethic so that offenses are forced to let up on blocking #69.

  22. By T Jack on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Now Allen can buy more goats to rope. Congratulations hick boy!

  23. By Carl K on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Great INT by Cedric Griffin. He has played well after being benched.
    Mike, what are your thoughts on how Ced has comeback from his knee injuries?
    If the Vikings draft CB Morris Claiborne with the #3 pick, what will happen to Cedric. Griffin is leading our secondary in tackles and ints… IMO it would be hard to bench or cut his production. Any chance the Vikings move him to safety if they draft a corner?

  24. By NovaScotiaVike on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    ????????????…..What do you get when you divide 625 lbs. of bullsh1T by 2 ? … the Ryan Brothers.

  25. By NorthwoodsVikesFan on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Webb EARNED it?????? Let’s check the tape. Uh, they scored 10 points with Ponder in at QB in the first quarter. When Webb took over, they pushed the total up another 3 (three) (III) points over the next 3 quarters. Now, I may not be great at math, but I’ll give it a shot. 10 points in one quarter averages out to …….. TEN POINTS PER QUARTER!! 3 points in 3 quarters averages out to …….. ONE POINT PER QUARTER!!!

    Tell me again WHO earned WHAT????

    Awesome job Jared!!! You were the bright spot of the season.

  26. By dakota james on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Why not offer stock like the greenbay packers do for the public!!! IT would help with the new stadium push.

  27. By Mike Wobschall on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Carl K – I think Ced can still play for the Vikings, and I actually agree with you that perhaps moving him to safety is the best way to play it. We’ll see what happens this offseason. He certainly has the size and aggressiveness to play safety.

  28. By tim inorlando on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    BUT: Being the vikings they’ll have the 3rd pick and I garantee u! They WILL PICK AN O LINEMAN! ONLY to WATCH RG 3 and LUCK become pro bowlers!
    sent from iphone.

  29. By tim inorlando on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    AND PLEASE GET A DECENT COACH!!!! Gruden? Good luck filling a new stadium with Joe frazer! HEY FANS Just save any Leslie presser and insert 17 times next year! AH? we just didnt get it done today? AH……LOL!!!!!
    I wonder if cleveland is done using the paper bags?
    sent from iphone

  30. By NovaScotiaVike on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Dallas Blows….sent from pay phone.

  31. By NovaScotiaVike on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    The Ryan Bros. suck…….sent from shoe phone.

  32. By NovaScotiaVike on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Goodnight Jerry Jones….sent from xylophone.

  33. By Derrick.G on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    @Immureglass Good advice….just cant help it sometimes, hahaha, if wee speek stoopid wil he undirstand?

  34. By Derrick.G on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    @NovaScotiaVike ????????????…..What do you get when you divide 625 lbs. of bullsh1T by 2 ? … the Ryan Brothers…….and Phil Loadholt. lol.

  35. By Viking-ology on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Steve Spagnuolo for Defensive coordinator! The best out there-if the Rams fire him!

  36. By Derrick.G on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Ill take Spags as DC

  37. By Viking-ology on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Musgrave-stop being conservative, this is an offensive minded league. Open up the playbook!

  38. By Viking-ology on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Frazier-Please find a way to protect your QB. Kalil would be a great place to start.

  39. By Viking-ology on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Pass that along to Speilman!

  40. By NovaScotiaVike on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Derrick…..Loadholt brings it close to half a ton !!

  41. By Derrick.G on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    @Viking-ology, You know its bad when the commentators are talking about how predictable the Vikes were, especially in this game, so many end arounds and useless sweep plays that went nowhere, soooo why keep running them?

  42. By mnsoldier on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Prior to Petersons last injury I stated that they needed to keep him healthy so we can trade him (much like dallas traded Walker) for early round picks to build a team and fast. Toby proved he can run, he dinged himself today but he will be ok. However now that the “violent” runner is done for we are stuck with a big hit on the salary cap, trade him to whom ever will take him and dump his contract.
    Get 1 OL, and all the DB help we can get.

  43. By Aceviking on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Mike W:
    What pick will we have in the 1st round of the Draft…. 3rd, 4th overall?

  44. By Derrick.G on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    @NovaScotiaVike, Well…….I did take math twice for 4 years……

  45. By Viking-ology on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply


  46. By NovaScotiaVike on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    @ Derrick…then you qualify for the Cowboys coach!!

  47. By Derrick.G on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply


  48. By Derrick.G on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    @NovaScotiaVike, Hmmmmmm I can try.

  49. By Viking-ology on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Derrick.G- I know it’s sad. Frazier wants to keep Musgrave for offensive continuity going into next year for CP, but he has to stop with the kid gloves.

  50. By Derrick.G on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Gonna be interesting this offseason for sure. 1st to go will probably be Pagac. The cover 2 based 4-3 needs to go. But on a lighter note, they showed today how physical this team can really be on D. Just gotta get the right players on field. But the blitz schemes made this an enjoyable game to watch on D for once.

  51. By NovaScotiaVike on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Rob Ryan said that he flew all his relatives “down” to New York so that they could see “him” win a “championship”. I’m guessing that it was a cargo plane.

  52. By NovaScotiaVike on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Rob Ryan looks like a reject from a Grateful Dead concert, and Rex looks like a groupie.

  53. By KLAWZ on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Not sure what to say….. glad that horrific season is over, back to back awful years! Dont know how they can get this deal done with the new stadium when they look like this….. i am happy cause i dont want to see them leave MN, but man….. its time to clean house… starting at the top….. After seeing both Webb and Ponder this year…. i am afraid they might not get us where we wont to be.! Congrats to Allen… wish everyone on our team had as much drive and talent as him!

  54. By TITANIUM TITUS on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    HA HA HA HA HA– Nova, you are bad!

  55. By NovaScotiaVike on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Titus….That’s what I like about me !!

  56. By Viking-ology on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    KLAWZ-I know what you mean! Long season for sure. Don’t give up on Ponder just yet-give him the offseason and next year then we’ll have a good indication on what we have.

  57. By Spence on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    It was a disappointing year. There were some good times and some bad. Hopefully we regroup this off-season and come out swinging. Ponder is our guy. Keep the faith, Skol Vikes. God Bless.

  58. By VegasVike on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    If we’re gonna roll into 2012 without an O Line, will Webb be the starting QB? Ponders rollout and bootleg looks more like a ROLLBACK and semi bootleg, which is understandable. When you have ZERO protection that’s all you can do unless you are a bruiser like Webb is. So what are the Vikes thinking? No O Line (again) and Webb or GET an O Line and Ponder? That, my friends, is the question… (that won’t be answered)
    Secondary looked better today, good job guys.
    Craig K- Las Vegas NV

  59. By Viking-ology on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Typically QB’s who get off to a fast start come crashing back to earth the next year. Look at Josh Freeman. Ponder went through a normal rookie season-alot of mistakes and a few great plays. I’m hoping he makes that big jump next year that all top QB’s need to make early in their carrier, and I think he will, as long as he has better protection and more playmakers to go to.

  60. By KLAWZ on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Question for you guys…. do you think Frazier should come back….sounds like his job is safe right now, but should he?

  61. By NovaScotiaVike on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Maybe Jerry Jones can rent out the “Palace in Dallas” for Texas’ biggest bake sale EVER !!!!!

  62. By VegasVike on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Always been a Ponder fan but after watching Webb play today…. The guy seems to adjust well to what’s thrown at him. Ponder appeared to be running for his life on every snap. Did I miss something?

  63. By KLAWZ on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    I worry that our two main options at QB cant throw, yes Ponder and Webb can both move, but being a good passer looks suspect as of now.

  64. By VegasVike on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Brian Billick for GM and Jon Gruden for HC

  65. By VegasVike on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    It’s a fine mess we’ve gotten into

  66. By KLAWZ on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Really the both are running for their lives…. our OL is god awful!

  67. By KLAWZ on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    I love to see some of those fellas Vegas

  68. By Nolan on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    What has happened with Visanthe Shiancoe? Is he not a part of Musgrave’s offense or has he lost the confidence of the staff? Also what will be the biggest need to address this off season?

  69. By Spence on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Am I the only who thinks the secondary isnt that bad? Put Cook at Left Cornerback, Brandon Burton at Right. Abdullah at Free Safety and Winfield at Strong. Benny Sapp in the slot wheres he suppose to be and thats a 15th ranked pass D in the NFL.

  70. By VegasVike on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    @KLAWZ- it seemed Webb was the better answer today (and maybe would have been all year) If the guy gets a little pass/read smarter he’ll be a force to reckon with. Ponder seems to be staying injured, that’s too bad.

  71. By TITANIUM TITUS on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    News just in. Newsflash! Life goes on… there is more to life than football. Happy New Year gang! Prosper in 2012.

  72. By Brennen on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Hi Mike, although we have some weapons and key veterans, there are a lot of wholes we need to fill in the offseason, i think WR, CB, and OL should be the top 3 priorities! with our high draft pick, which way do u feel we can go? could we trade down and acquire more picks in the draft? are there any key free agents we can look for? and my last question is that if next year we do fire coach frazier (which i don’t see happening because i feel he can be a good coach) would we demote him and just make him our defensive coordinator again? or let him go completely?

  73. By Spence on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    The Vikings are my life.

  74. By NovaScotiaVike on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    I hope Jason Garret tlooks Jerry Jones right in the face and says “There is more to life than football”.

  75. By TITANIUM TITUS on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    HA HA HA HA HA– Nova, you are on a roll. Don’t fall into the ocean.

  76. By The Brain on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Lets see, three off. linemen, four wide recievers, maybe a new running back, two def,. linemen, two line backers and at least three def. backfield players. Oh yeah maybe a quarterback. Add in a true coach and staff , concede now we are re-building? How long will this take? Oh I forgot our whole focus is on a new stadium. Probably with the worst idea to build it in Mpls. when 90% of the fans want it in Arden Hills. Yep thats true Viking football. Watch em trade down in the draft and pick a work in progress. w e miss you Bud it will never be that winning way again.

  77. By Viking-ology on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    I think it’s more that Ponder needs to make better reads-his accuracy is fine, but he is making rookie mistakes. At this point as a fan, my main concern is the O-line. Then the entire defense needs to change. After that we need more playmakers-specifically a deep threat to strech the field. I’m not asking for alot am I Vikings organization!

  78. By Viking-ology on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply


  79. By Spence on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Ponder cant read defenses for a lick. He doesnt know what “hot read” means we cant do 10yrd outs because he doesnt have the strength to get it out there. Currently no quarterback on this roster is capable of leading us to a Superbowl.

  80. By NovaScotiaVike on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Jason Garrett might be a free agent!

  81. By Viking-ology on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    S T R E T C H the field. Open up the offense and stop playing 60′s style football!

  82. By Spence on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    I would say RGIII but I no longer believe in black Quarterbacks as The Guy. Theyre a ton of fun to watch but they dont win titles. Lets just ride Ponder next year and see what he has to offer than draft Barkley in the 2013 draft.

  83. By Spence on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply


    You cant stretch the field if the line doesnt protect for more than 2 seconds.

  84. By NovaScotiaVike on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    If any Dallas fans out there are p!ssed at me. I can’t help it, I’m Romophobic.

  85. By Spence on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Anybody notice this? Besides Big Ben all the Elite Quarterbacks jersey numbers are 9 or above.

  86. By TITANIUM TITUS on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    I think it is too early to vote Ponder out. No doubt he will work hard this off season.

  87. By Viking-ology on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Les and Les 3 wins each. All we can go is up next year!

  88. By Spence on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Peyton , Eli, Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Rivers.

  89. By TITANIUM TITUS on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Jerry Jones did not look happy.

  90. By Spence on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    All their jersey numbers are “9″ and above

  91. By TITANIUM TITUS on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Errol Flynn for QB.

  92. By sivrbak on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    What is it going to take to let Webb start, instead of coming in after Ponder has either lost the game already, or gotten hurt? If managements pride won’t let him start at QB, then why not at WR? All year long I’ve heard how bad the Vikings need some good WR. Webb was a better WR in college than he was a QB.
    It looks like he’s too valuable to play WR, but he didn’t cost enough to play QB?

  93. By VegasVike on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    @Nova- at least the Vikings don’t toy with their fans like the cowboys do.. We were a disappointment from the start! No sense in prolonging the shame, tear it off like a bandaid!

  94. By Spence on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Flacco, Ryan, Romo, Shaub, Cutler, Cassell, Vick, and Freeman jerseys are all below “9″

  95. By NovaScotiaVike on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply


  96. By VegasVike on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Spence what is Webb’s number??

  97. By Spence on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply


    Oh my friggin God that dude went off. He looks really good out there.

  98. By Spence on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Webb is 14.

  99. By Spence on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    But Ryan Fitzpatrick is also 14 so….

  100. By TITANIUM TITUS on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Spence– you just got caught. Now we know you are a minor.

  101. By VegasVike on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Case in point lol.

  102. By TITANIUM TITUS on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Vegas– how quickly you forgot the 2010 season– I think we had it worse than any Cowboy fan did this year.

  103. By VegasVike on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    What do you call a 17 year old that works in a mine?

  104. By Spence on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Tim Tebow is 15 and hes real clutch. But also John Skelton is 19, the highest quarterback number in the game right now I believe and he has 5 game winning drives this year. Keep an eye out for Skeleton next year.

  105. By Spence on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    I dont believe in Webb. I have more faith in Ponder. I was wrong, you were right.

  106. By VegasVike on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    We’ve had it worse than any cowboy fan this decade, and last decade, and the one before that. And…. so on

  107. By Spence on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply


    Chris Cook…………………………………………………..Benny Sapp………..Brandon Burton

    *Sherals is 4th string.
    *Asher Allen is 5th CB.
    *Griffin is traded/Cut

  108. By NovaScotiaVike on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    At least our owner doesn’t look like a lizard.

  109. By Spence on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Wow that came out wrong lol. Abdullah at FS, Winfield at SS. Cook at LCB, Brandon Burton at RCB, And Benny Sapp in the slot next year should give us a top 20 pass D next year

  110. By Spence on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Why are you guys talking about the Cowboys?

  111. By NovaScotiaVike on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    When asked about Garrett’s future in the press conference, Jerry Jones side-stepped the question by flicking out his tongue to nail a fly.

  112. By Viking-ology on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    The Longest Yard- Minnesota Vikings offense this year defined! Musgrave I’m talking to you, please, be bold and surprise us in 2012.

  113. By NovaScotiaVike on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Because we hate them.

  114. By Spence on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Marques Colston is a Free Agent next year he would fit in perfectly here. Ponder to Colston for Six? Thats great.

  115. By TITANIUM TITUS on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Because we just watched the last game of the season, Spence– Cowboys- Giants. SO, nice to see the Giants win.

  116. By TITANIUM TITUS on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Errol Flynn for QB…

  117. By Viking-ology on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Norv Turner-first to go on Black Monday for sure

  118. By Parody on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    I don’t understand why we should be hating the Cowboys so much. Personally, I dislike the Giants much more than the Cowboys, so I was disappointed to see them take the win for the division title tonight. The Cowboys just looked lost for most of the night, much like we have for most of the season.

  119. By NovaScotiaVike on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    So, Titus, did you decide on your winter vacation destination?

  120. By TITANIUM TITUS on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    I cannot stand the Cowboys– never could. I don’t even know why I like the Giants because when I think about it, they beat my hometown team in the Superbowl and eliminated the Vikings from the NFC championship. But the Giants always seem to bounce back from being average to playing very good when it counts. I like how they handle adversity. No self-respecting Viking fan can be a fan of the Cowboys. Not possible.

  121. By NovaScotiaVike on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Hate the Cowgirls for that terrible non-call on Drew Pearson in /75. No other reason needed.

  122. By TITANIUM TITUS on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Nova– it has been so warm here (relatively), I may not go anywhere till later — like March– I biked over a hundred miles outside last week, including a 40 miler. I am focused on my biz right now.

  123. By Viking-ology on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Vikings will be looking for a new D coordinator next week.

  124. By Spence on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Chris Cook……………………………………………..Sapp…………………Burton
    ……………….Chad Greenway……….EJ Henderson………………ErimHenderson

  125. By Spence on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Dam it. I added an extra guy. But yea, thats how the D would look if I were the coach and everybody was healthy.

  126. By VegasVike on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Brett Favre TORCHES the cowboys in the 09 playoffs. Randy Moss and Randall Cunningham TORCH the cowboys in 98 thanksgiving day massacre. Two of my favorite cowboys-Viking games!

  127. By Spence on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Sherals would be 4th CB
    Asher Allen would be 5th
    Raymond would backup Abdullah
    Sanford would back up Winfield
    Tyrell Johnson would be cut
    Cedric Griffin would be cut/traded

  128. By vikwillwin on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Ponder has shown with a few years work he will be a great not a good but a great back up quaterback .This will go down as the biggest reach of the 2011 draft.All caused by the lock out .So we should draft a quaterback in the 6 or 7 th round who would you have play that position next year .Ponder only looked a little talented at the position till AP went down with his high ankle sprain then his true abilities could be seen .This guy has no skills a noodle for a arm and the happiest feet in the NFL.

  129. By TITANIUM TITUS on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Spence, that is your dream. Easy to be armchair coaches. Many variables involved and once you got into the season, –oops, injury. Oops, WInfield becomes a grandpa. Oops, one of the players wants all the limelight and throws a fit if not recognized. Oops, snow falls onto one of your players through the roof. Oops, one of your players gets arrested.

  130. By Spence on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    P̶l̶a̶i̶n̶ ̶G̶a̶r̶b̶a̶g̶e̶ Blaine Gabbert was the biggest reach in the draft, Not Ponder. He actually showed some moments of brilliance. Gabbert is just a scrub.

  131. By Parody on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Well I wasn’t around for that ’75 debacle, and I really don’t understand how Titus can say that a rooting for a team like the Giants is okay, while simultaneously saying that no self respecting Viking fan could possibly root for Dallas. Titus used to be smarter than that…

  132. By VegasVike on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Opps, goodnight all. It’s late in Vegas lol

  133. By NovaScotiaVike on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    Yeah Titus, I have been spending a lot of time in Bermuda lately. Came back home for Chr!stmas and even though it’s about 40 degrees here, I feel like I’m freezing.

  134. By Spence on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    Personally I no longer care if a player is troubled off the field. I’ll take my Big Ben’s, you can have your choir boy Tebows. As long as you produce on the field, I dont care what you do off.

  135. By vikwillwin on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    gabbert at least went about where he was projected by most teams .ponder was a middle second round pick on most peoples boards . but yeah they both suck.

  136. By NovaScotiaVike on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    Hard to cover a post pattern from a jail cell.

  137. By Parody on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    Spence – Gabbert was supposed to be the #2 QB in last year’s draft. He just couldn’t live up to expectations. He wasn’t a reach, but he is showing that he is the biggest bust.

    I think that if he had fallen to the Vikings at pick 12, the fans would have been exstactic to draft him, in comparison to how flabbergasted most of us were when we heard Chrîstian Ponder’s name announced with our selection.

  138. By Spence on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    Ponder doesnt suck. The o-line and WR’s are a direct result of Ponders struggles. Give him a chance.

  139. By TITANIUM TITUS on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    Parody, maybe I am not as smart as I pretend. Anyway, maybe because all my roots are mostly spread across NY, I cannot help but root for the Giants– but the Jets– no.

    Nova– I cycled 40 miles NYE in 42 degrees– my feet were freezing, but I enjoyed it. I have mucho freelance work right now though and some projects for the school– the next two or three months are going to fly. Then I will fly.

  140. By TITANIUM TITUS on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    Spence, careful what position you place the horse and the cart.

  141. By Spence on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    Gabbert was a system quarterback who should of stayed another season at Mizzou. I never saw what was so good about the guy.

  142. By TITANIUM TITUS on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    Errol Flynn for QB. …..

  143. By Parody on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    Okay Titus, I’ll bite. Who is this Errol Flynn you keep on begging for?

  144. By Spence on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    I always believed Ryan Mallett was better than ̶G̶a̶r̶b̶a̶g̶e̶, Gabert.

  145. By TITANIUM TITUS on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    Spence already said how great a game Errol Flynn had today…

  146. By vikwillwin on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    let see AP averaging about a 100 yds a game before his injuries and the o-line sucks .When everyone knows hes getting the ball.I dont know how we get any better till the play at quaterback gets better simple as that. Mark my words Ponder will be a carrer back up .

  147. By NovaScotiaVike on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    Titus, who is James Cagney?

  148. By Parody on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    In response to the NY comment: growing up I was a Twins fan before I became a Vikings fan. Baseball is just so much easier a sport to understand from a young age. So I learned to dispise New York primarily from that. My natural hatred of the Yankees was enough to leak over to their neighbors in what has become my favorite sport. So Giants and Jets are near the bottom of my list.

  149. By vikwillwin on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    Ironic NewEngland got him with our pick we gave up for Randy Moss .Would have been my pick at quaterback last year.

  150. By TITANIUM TITUS on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    Well, Nova, in the spirit of the blog, I believe James Cagney was a relief pitcher for the Yankees.

  151. By TITANIUM TITUS on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    Nova, I am signing off– obviously, we are from another land and time.

  152. By Spence on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    True. But you cant just ride off Ponder yet. Its his first season in the league. But in this first season even though it was pretty awful at times he showed me some very positive signs: Mobility, Fast Release, Good footwork, Escapeability, and Accuracy. His only negatives at times were his decision making. But that can be corrected with a solid off-season and tons of practice.

  153. By NovaScotiaVike on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply


  154. By Parody on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    vikwillwin – Our pourous offensive line will make anyone who lines up under center look like little more than a career backup. It’s already happened to Jackson, Favre, McNabb, Webb and Ponder. It would happen to Manning, Roethlisberger, Brady and Rogers if any of them were forced to play QB behind this line as well. That needs to be the first priority to be addressed this offseason.

    With St Louis locked in the 2nd pick, everyone is certain that they’ll draft Kalil, so I think we’d be better off trading down a few spots at this point and still grabbing a decent OT in the first, using the extra pick(s) to get a guard to help the line out some more. They’ll still need time to learn the pace of the NFL, so after that it will be a year or two before you see Ponder start to show his full potential.

  155. By vikwillwin on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    did you watch the last 6-7 games didnt see any of that here.

  156. By TITANIUM TITUS on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    HA HA HA HA HA– I just read a little on Flynn– he was with a teen his last two years– now that was a dirty rat!

  157. By Spence on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    Vikwillwin, You do realize in order to be successful you have to be surrounded by a good supporting cast right?

  158. By Spence on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    I dont think you watch the games….

  159. By vikwillwin on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    2 at least of the top four picks will and should be used in the secondary.were the worst in the NFL.

  160. By Parody on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    Does anybody recall seeing Archie Manning play? I’m too young to have seen him myself, so I only have stories I have read to base this comparison from, but I recall learning that many people thought he was a pretty good QB but never had a good team around him to assist his skills, so he ended up losing A LOT of games. We could see the same sort of fate fall on Ponder, or whoever else we throw in at QB until we start giving him an entire team of starting NFL talent to work with.

  161. By Spence on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    They were bad because they were injured. Only ONE Week 1 starter has played the whole season in the secondary……..Ced Griffin

  162. By NovaScotiaVike on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    Mark Sanchez and Errol Flynn…..I’ll take “Child Molesters” for $1000, Alex !

  163. By Immureglass on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    So Spence I take it you’ve never heard of Doug Williams

  164. By mnwizkid on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    I so agree with Frazier when he says his players shouldn’t hang their heads. Instead they should feel like throwing up, or at least giving back 1/2 of their enormous salaries, with the exception of Allen, Harvin, Webb and a few others. Someone needs to light a fire under them, or at least have a winning game plan, and I see neither. This team needs a major rebuilding, and it shouldn’t, just 2 years ago, nearly a super bowl berth, but look at it now! Management is mostly to blame! (If you don’t agree, just look at the NO Saints). I’m sure this post will get deleted by the German Wilf Regime, but at least I will feel better. Good Luck in California!

  165. By Parody on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    Spence, even when healthy there were questions about many of our starters in the defensive backfield. A few of them might be able to bounce back next year, but many of them were displaying less than desired skillsets when they were in. Until today’s game, I thought Cedric had been playing very poorly all season, but I hope he can bounce back next year, so that we have one less starter to replace moving forward.
    Both safety positions are big question marks, as is our other starting CB. If Cook can dodge his legal issues, that CB position will be solidified, but the safeties are still big questions. Sanford was looking decent in the past few games, *dropped a couple of ints) and there is some potential from a couple of our late round picks, but I’m not sold on any of them yet, and would like to see the team show that they are looking to improve in these areas with solid additions to the roster.

  166. By Immureglass on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    or Steve McNair

  167. By NovaScotiaVike on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    Parody, I used to watch Archie Manning play (the Saints weren’t on national TV much back then), and he got the SH!T beat out of him every week. The Saints were brutal, but he hung in there.

  168. By Spence on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    You cant deny it, Abdullah is a pretty good FS! And what about Doug Williams Immureglass

  169. By Spence on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    Why are you naming black QB’S?

  170. By Immureglass on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    Because you stated that black QB’s never win championships

  171. By Parody on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    Abdullah has shown promise, but he has also been caught out of position many times too. I’ve noticed him bite on the run fake more than once and get beat on the deep throw because of it. This is something that can be corrected, but he needs discipline. He won’t get full confidence from me until I see him avoid those types of blunders.

  172. By Spence on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    Im talking about the athletic freaks.

  173. By Spence on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    Are you believer in Raymond

  174. By Immureglass on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    Ok I miss understood you thats on me

  175. By Spence on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    Its cool, we all make mistakes

  176. By greatirishpotatofamine on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    why does everyone hate spence so much?

  177. By Parody on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    potato – Spence made a few posts questioning Jared Allen’s ability to play a full game. I’m pretty sure that was enough to make a lot of bloggers believe that he was just trying to start a fight…or worse…

  178. By Arrow86 on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply


    Aside from the aging Winfield. If we cut loose all of our secondary on the waiver wire Chris Cooke, and Benny Sapp would probably be the only two who might not be playing Arena ball. Secondary is a sad excuse. We didn’t develop the talent level prior to the season to address the need.

    @greatirishpotatofamine: I get my Irish up with Spence because he says stupid stuff about Jared Allen’s 4th quarter effort, yet excuses our laim-donkey secondary. Mike Martz saw how Allen took over the line of scrimmage in the 3rd and adjusted. That’s a unique concept to Vike fans, as our coaching staff only makes adjustments on Tuesdays, and that only involves their underwear. The Bears lined a tightend, sometimes 2 tight ends, a tackle, and chipped with a runningback they left in the backfield to make sure Allen wouldn’t get near their QB. Now. A sensible question would be…What are the other guys doing on our defense when one guy is the focus of 2-4 of the opponents players? Without the adjustment made by the Bears, Allen would have had at least 1 if not more sacks, he may have created a turnover, and we may have won the game. Now, I’ll go back to eating my corned beef and cabbage, and working out to “Sweatin’ to the River Dance!”

  179. By NovaScotiaVike on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    What will take longer…..Jerry Jones to explode (from eating too many insects), or Tony Romo to grow a real moustache?

  180. By Arrow86 on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    Parody: Well said.

    Draft next year. 1 Colts: Andrew Luck. 2 Rams: They’ll either trade Bradford, but I doubt it, or they may draft “The Honeybadger” from LSU. The Vikes need that guy. And 5o others just like him. What do we do if it comes to us at 3 and we don’t get the Honey badger? Go with Kalil out of USC at Tackle. RGIII will be a great NFL QB, but he is a smaller Joe Webb, and in football, size matters! Did anyone else hear how Darryl Johnston gushed over how Webb kept plays alive and broke tackles?? If you know your line is bad and will be bad for at least 1-2 more years, wouldn’t you want a QB who can break tackles and keep the play alive??? Or does my argument fall flat?

  181. By Immureglass on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    Jerry Jones does remind me of every evil billionaire in every cr@ppy movie/sitcom.

  182. By Arrow86 on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply


    The Romo-sexuals in big D will mail Tony some pubes and rubber cement to develop his Tom Celleck mustache. As for Mr. Jones, I have no sympathy to his struggles. When he had Jimmy Johnson he meddled too much with the team, and how’d that work out? Yeah, I haven’t forgotten the bootlegger’s boy (Switzer) smiling saying, “We did it Jerry! We did it!” while hoisting the Lombardi trophy… or Jones grabbing the microphone from Switzer and basicly taking credit for his teams greatness. Just like Canada….our God is a fair God, and the “Boys” are dealing with a curse.

  183. By alex on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    Maybe get matt flynn. he is a free agent. Also there are alot of great WR’s who will be free agents do the vikings plan to go after any of them? It would allow us to start fixing our TERRIBLE OLINE and oh so bad secondary

  184. By NovaScotiaVike on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    Arrow, it really is better having no GM than an owner/GM.

  185. By Arrow86 on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply


    Jones may be the “Dr. Evil” of the N.F.L. Every year, one player gets the blame for the Cowboys failure. When they got rid of T.O. it was to be sunshine and lollipops. Then it progressed to Jessica Simpson and Carrie Underwood were to blame for Romo’s distraction. Then we ended up with Keith Brooking crying over how the Vikes beat his team. Romo, can’t buy a break. He has moments of spectacular performance, and then zilch.

  186. By NovaScotiaVike on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    Sorry, I meant Owner/GM/Lizard.

  187. By alex on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    fix em in the draft

  188. By Arrow86 on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    @Nova: I’d agree with that. The WIlf’s are real estate developers and have let “Football guys” handle the football. The Wilf’s are in a bind, they still are paying Chilly. Frazier has proven he’s more equipped to replace Mr. Rodgers than Bill Bellichek, and don’t even think of comparing him to Dungy. Spielman is inept.

  189. By NovaScotiaVike on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    First step….get the Stadium….next step, get Cowher or Parcells or Gruden and go from there.

  190. By Arrow86 on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    @Nova: I watched Rango the other night. Jerry Jones seemed real natural in that role.

    @Alex: I thought we should have made a trade of A.P. for the purpose of gaining draft picks. Now we have him injured in a way that may effect his future performance, who will take that trade, let alone his new contract?? I’m not so certain we shouldn’t trade Jared Allen to a team outside the division for a decent D-end and a first round pick. Maybe a trade for Osi Umenyori. We have so many glaring deficits right now, and it isn’t a matter of giving guys more time to develop. They just can’t play. We have a limited number of picks. I’d rather strap on a steel cup and take the best kick the N.F.L. can give the purple for the next 2 seasons, than aspire to mediocrity for the next 10. We just discussed “Rango” Jones in Dallas, but to his credit. When he bought the Cowboys, he let go a legendary coach and GM, Landry and Schram. He traded their best guy. Herschel Walker and picked up some respectable Vikes, and a ton of #1′s. That is how they then drafted Aikman,Smith, Irvin, Novacheck, and O-line and D-line players. 1-15 wasn’t fun. 8-8 was encouraging. Lombardi trophy was worth it! The trophy room at the new stadium will be smaller than the current one at the Metrodome, how many of those Lombardi trophies are we having the maid Swiffer once a month??

    I grew up when it was tragic at the end of the Super Bowl when the Vikes would lose another game they were favored to win. But you felt next year with one or two guys we could get over the hump. What do we say about next year with this group of players and coaches??? With 1 or 2 quality additions do we climb back to 8-8? No. We’re still getting Rosa Park’d by the Pack, Lions, and Bears.

  191. By Arrow86 on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply


    I like Jeff Fischer as a coach of the team going forward. For all those who remind me Frazier has a Super Bowl ring. Fischer has one from that same Bears team, and he got the Titans to the Super Bowl. Fischer has his players back, and yet is tough and demands their performance at a high level. Fischer coached for the Charlie Finley of the N.F.L. (Bud Adams), and he still got the team to the big game.

    At GM I think a Cowher would love that job. Even if you believe in our current defensive personnel, ask yourself. How long would Bill Cowher put up with these clowns masquerading as N.F.L. players? Heck, my neighbor kid dressed up like a Packer player at Halloween, and he was more deserving of that authentic N.F.L. jersey than Asher Allen, our safeties, and most of our linebackers.

  192. By NovaScotiaVike on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    Arrow, I have followed these guys since /68, this is probably the most talented (sh!tty) team that has taken the field. Even Les Steckel’s squad had good players, but they just quit on him, he was terrible. 2 good offensive linemen, a couple of DB’s, and we can be back in business. We need another Bud Grant-type coach, one who is loved by his players because he is tough, not because he makes excuses for them every week.

  193. By Hawaiian Viking on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    Not sure if anyone noticed but on Griffins INT there was holding penalty called on 32 (RB) and it looked to me to be in the endzone (as was the QB). Shouldn’t that be a safety??

  194. By Arrow86 on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply


    Where you are at, you probably don’t receive the radio feed of the Vikings game. Today, I was working, but as I was driving from one location to another the Viking radio announcer Paul Allen made a great comment that helps all Vikings fans release their stress. With sarcasm, the comment was something to the effect. “Joe Webb has a great opportunity to succeed with 1:56 to go in regulation, trailing by 4 and needing a touchdown, and only 94 yards to go!” The Vikes may have one too many Allen’s in their organization, but Jared, and Paul keep it real!

  195. By Arrow86 on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    Hawaiian Vike:

    I was looking up what a “interception” was in my Webster’s dictionary because it had been so long since I’d seen one performed in a Vikings game, I had forgotten what it was. I’m glad you pointed that out. It would make sense to decline the holding penalty, and take a chance at getting 7, or 3, with the way our offense was matriculating the ball down the field today! I really thought Longwell was in a great position to compete for A.P.’s job next season. We lined him up 7 yards deep, didn’t block anyone, and hoped for the best when we gave him the ball. What happened???

  196. By Arrow86 on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply


    We’ve been singing that mantra of “Fix em’ in the draft since 79!” Who did we draft in 79 that’s still paying dividends today for the Viking purple? 32 years, expansion teams have gone to the big game since then, and when we do get it right with our player personnel we can’t figure out how to use and protect those players?

  197. By NovaScotiaVike on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    Arrow, I’ve got satellite radio in my car, but it’s hard to sit there and drink. Every year I get the NFL package (around 350 bucks), to watch the Vikes every week. That translates to about $30 per loss. Maybe I should just sit in the car.

  198. By Arrow86 on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply


    You may be onto something with the “Other than Roethlisburger, all other good Q.B.’s where numbers 9 and above.” Maybe that was one of the 9′s Herman Cain was yelling about!

  199. By Arrow86 on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply


    What are you driving at??? Sometimes it is better watching the Vikes on the radio!

  200. By Arrow86 on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    Question for Coach Frazier: “With what you’ve seen this season, what positon of the Vikings will we see the greatest personnel changes for next season?”

  201. By NovaScotiaVike on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    I remember back in the mid /70′s, the girlfriend and I were having a great time watching the early playoff game. Back then we didn’t get any 4.00 (EST) games. The Vikes were playing the LA Rams on the coast, I looked at my girlfriend and said……”I’m going to listen to the game in my car”.(which had a great radio). I grabbed a dozen beer and she said “I’m not coming with you”. I said “Even Better”, went out and listened to a fuzzy broadcast of the Vikes beating the Rams in La-La land.

  202. By Lloyd Santee on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    Thank you Vikings for fighting through this season. I, as a longtime fan, understand it takes time and patience to build a championship team. Good luck in the off-season!

  203. By greatirishpotatofamine on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    I just read we may be getting a couple 4th rounders for rice and edwards leaving, if thats true we should be able to address a lot of needs. also my question about spence was directed @wobschall

  204. By Mike B. on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    It’s been a really up and down year of football. We had some really exciting moments and then some really bad let downs. This team is probably the most talented 3-13 team in the league and never played to their potential. A lot of that had to do with an offensive line that never worked as a unit all season. With that no one respected our ability to extend the field and we had no prototypical outside WR. I feel we are good at QB and WR and hope that they resign Sage as a good safety valve backup. I likes Mike W’s idea about using Webb as a WR/KR, but if he still wants to play QB he will be a Wildcat player. If he moves to WR/KR , then we will need another QB. I like Fraziers decision to stick with Ponder for next year. We are sticking with Frazier, so it follows. Defensively we need a reboot and new look. Need someone with Kevin W that will work together. B-Rob needs to pick it up when Allen is getting so much attention. Linebackers are Ok. CB and Safety needs are really the problem of the Defense. I think a new DC is a good add here. I am not so sure about keeping the OC either maybe OC will take a demotion to QB coach. Happy New Year all.

  205. By ozzinator on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    Glad to see you back Nova. Thanks for the comedy!

  206. By gubber on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    Being from Manitoba I can pretty much assure you that the Vikes “aren’t” going anywhere. When people outside think of Minnesota sports their first thought isn’t normally of The Wild, Timberwolves, or The Twins although all good franchises. The face of professional sports in your state invariably is of the Minnesota Vikings. Losing the Vikes may not be quite as bad as Winnipeg losing The Jets, but there would certainly be a very painful and huge in the state’s psyche, and believe me, you don’t want to experience that !!!

  207. By jcdogg on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    Tim inorlando–Drew Brees is only 6ft tall. Ponder is taller then Rogers, so that is absolutely absurd comment to say he is too small. He is an above average arm that will continue to get stronger as he matures into his position. —Where are all the Joe Webb sponsors. I told you all weeks ago, he is playing the wrong position and yesterday only proved my point. The draft should be really exciting and I am really excited for next year. Plus I am also curious about the new stadium.

  208. By Jon on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    Jon ffom Vestavia Hills, Alabama… Right on queue, here’s a Joe Webb sponsor.

    The quarterback double standard is so bizarre here. Ponder gets a free pass to play poorly because he’s a rookie with limited experience. Joe is only in his second year, he’s started in fewer games than Ponder, and he’s taken fewer snaps with the first team in two years than Ponder has this year alone.

    Ponder throws a pick six in this game and he’s still the guy. He’s had many, many AWFUL games this year. Joe throws two picks, including a meaningless one in desperation with less than a minute to go at the end of a losing contest in the worst season in the history of ever, and suddenly everyone says, “I told you so, he’s always going to be a backup, put him back at WR, etc. He has one average game, wherein he didn’t win the game but certainly didn’t singlehandedly lose it either, and he’s immediately thrown back under the bus, where he seems to be about 362 days out of each year.

    Whenever Joe has a good game, people say it’s easier to come in off the bench because the other team hasn’t gameplanned for him like they have for Ponder. It’s the same playbook – probably even smaller when Joe is in there because of his time constraints in practice. THEY ARE THE SAME STYLE QB. Mobile, but pass-first QBs. Joe isn’t running the option all the time like Tebow. UAB didn’t even run the option with him in college. He just happens to be faster – much, much faster – than Ponder, and all of a sudden people freak out. The gameplanning excuse is garbage to me.

    Joe always gets grief for running around too much. He only ran 4 times in this game. Your prayers were answered. You lost, but at least you had two QBs in the pocket the whole game, because apparently that’s more important than winning.

    Why is running from the quarterback position such an issue. Joe is 6’4″, 220 lbs. He’s a big boy. He’s not going to get hurt doing what he does, certainly not to the degree Ponder has this year. I’m now convinced his speed is a hinderance to his career. If he were slower, and didn’t run at all, but had the same results in the passing game as he’s had this year, he would probably be starting. Maybe he does need to hurt a knee and slow down a little bit so people will get off his case.

    Okay, have fun with all that. Go Blazers.

  209. By Nick on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    Is there anyway that you see the vikings trading Jared Allen or Adrian Peterson? I think either one would be a good move. They have a lot of holes to fill and by the time they build a team without trading them, they will both be older and their play will be deminishing. The injury to AP hurts the chances of getting what we want for him, but if we do get enough we could draft trent richardson to replace him and fill a lot of holes.

  210. By jeremy on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    @dakota james~ I agree w/ your stock-option idea. I have thought of that for a couple of weeks, now. It probably won’t ever happen, but I liked the idea~ Thanks to Allen and co. for not rolling over and playing dead this year. It gives the little guys like me some sort of hope. Congrats to you Allen!! I was so hoping you would exceed Strahan’s record, but oh well. Let the rebuilding project continue. Did anyone else watch Vikings Sports Wrap last night? I just don’t understand why an ESPN analyst is needed when a Viking fan that knows anything about anything would do. Thanks for the devotion you gave Mr. Jim Kleinsasser, over the years. I don’t know how the Vikings org. is planning on filling your shoes. Have a drink for me at The Chieftain in your hometown when you get there~

  211. By jeremy on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    Thank you, Jon, I agree~ Soon as I here Webb coming into the game I get fired up! The whole team does and plays more like an efficient unit!

  212. By NorthwoodsVikesFan on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    Why did they only score 3 more points then?

  213. By jeremy on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    Look what he’s got to work with~

  214. By NorthwoodsVikesFan on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    Ponder got them 10 with the same crew. In one quarter.

  215. By jeremy on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    I like the fact that Webb is a change-up from time to time.

  216. By jcdogg on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    @vikwilwin–technically our secondary was not the worst, however they definitely need improvement. We do have some decent players, mistral could turn out to be a good freesafety, he has the height and the speed, he just needs to gain more experience. We need a strong safety. Sanford, did not pan out, so we need to fill that position. (landry from Washington would be a great acquisition). We definitely need two DB, Cook has potential. We need to fill that other one. and Pagnac needs to go.

  217. By dennisboy on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    why are we sill massing around bad coaching and get someone like Bill Cower who know how to get his team for a Super Bowl win. the have good player .But need coach that will get them playing like Super Bowl team

  218. By VikingsGary on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    @ jermy He has the same players as Ponder. Ponder had 10 points in one quarter Webb had 3 in 3 quarters. That is why Webb is not the starter. Ponder will get better at what he is doing. He will be a great QB in the NFL. Give the rookie some time. Can’t wait till next year. Skol Vikings

  219. By vlad19 on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    Someone please remind me of Ponder’s “moments of brilliance”! In fact name five outstanding plays. Name me three GREAT throws. Tell me plese, because my TV caught him getting some mop-up kind of throws (whopping 54% and most of it while Defenses were in prevent, assuring HIGh completion pct), LOT of help in his TD department (special shout out to Percy Harvin)…… and I saw a LOT of Pop Warner decision making – especially loved that “rookie franchise record” performance, fumbling the ball at the 7 yd line and one pick six (and they lost by 6 or 7 pts… hmmm, sounds like he lost that game)– I saw him have 3 pick-six in 4 games down the stretch….. I saw his pancky escape efforts WAY before the pocket closed on him TOO MANY times.

    There is NO doubt our O line was perhaps the worst in NFL, but Ponder was running before he finished his steps! He can’t read a D to save himself and his arm is light.

    McNabb played better, Webb played MUCH better, yet the love Ponder gets on this page you would think Ponder had 100 paser rating or two TDs per pick…. Ponder is average and another T-Jack kind of “surprise” pick by the profoundly incompetent scouting/drafting staff.

  220. By NorthwoodsVikesFan on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    Webb seems more like Culpepper than TJack. More physical, which could be his undoing – too many scrambles like we saw yesterday and he’s going to end up with a broken leg or something. Culpepper thought he was invincible, standing in the pocket with 3 lineman hanging on him – worked for a few games until he got hurt.

  221. By vlad19 on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    You are going to blame Webb for the two missed FGs that would have WON the game for Vikings?

    Webb drove the ball, mustered some semblance of offense and you are going to credit Ponder with 10 pts (20 yd drive ALL by Harvin practically, RUNNING the ball) and Ponder was responsible for that pick six – you throw a ball high and behind a moving receiver, you see what you get, and Ponder was unchallenged on that throw…. Ponder gets 10 pts on two TO and you are going to credit him with that? He had a Plus 3 pts in his 1 and half qtrs, and he had 28 yds passing…. Just wanted to clarify a little truth here. He was bad, and Webb made ONE bad decision and that was not to throw it away on the sack that put Longwell out another 10 yds which led to a block on the FG att.

    But try blaming Webb for the pick on pass coverage scheme, 3 deep D, and 45 seconds and no TO and you need a TD, then you are not much on football knowledge. Tom Brady stands a 5% chance of game winniing drive there…

    Ponder has QB skills, but far less than many fans on this blog credit him with. He deserves a competition in 2012 just because we used a #1 pick on the guy. Let’s see if he can grow some hair. But he was NOT good at all. Sorry.

  222. By Shawn on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    @vlad … here you go … REMEMBER

  223. By vlad19 on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    You are kidding I htink…. one broken coverage vs GB amd the rest was yeoman work – some slants and curl routes and a few scrambles…. and the longest of them was about 10-12 yds…. this is not a highlight reel, and honestly Vike fans, if you really credit this kind of play as extraordinary we are sunk. This reel was routine football – good, hip production for sure, and that added flash that was not there in football action. But there were three or four good plays here – and I figured he had more than that, but I stand corrected, he was more average than I thought.

    Honestly, (and I mean this respectfully)if this is your high bar Shawn we are in trouble as a football team. But thanks for trying to show me the light. It ain’t shining as brightly as you might think. Webb’s reel in 1/3 the time makes this look like Trent Dilfer at his best!

  224. By Shawn on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    LOL vlad … your entitled to your insanity. i mean opinion. QBs need help. you cant blame coach’s and qbs for everything. it takes a whole team full of quality football players.

    you asked for 5 plays and i gave you more than that from his first start ever. his first season was comparable to some greats … troy aikman, peyton manning, and drew brees ( who didnt start till year 2 )

    if you brought fact to the table you might be credible, but you just talk craziness

  225. By Viking-ology on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    Mike B.-Great points. I also have been saying Webb should be a kickoff returner. If Ponder does not get FULL support by the organization and players, it will shatter his confidence going forward. Let him know he is the QB and support him going forward in his development next year and beyond.

  226. By Viking-ology on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    Our REAL concerns start at O-line and Defense. If we draft Kalil in 1st round that is a huge step in the right direction. For our defense it starts with a new D coordinator-Spagnuolo has been officially fired from Rams, the Vikings should do everything in their power to land him as D coordinator. He is one of the best in the business and will straighten out the defense in a hurry.

  227. By vlad19 on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    Couldn’t agree more Vikology – I think we need to draft at secondary and O line, and be aggressive in FA at WR – we need maturity at this spot as well as more talent. But youth and speed and strength with HIGH IQ is what we need at the first two slots – draft is everything for our turnaround this year, and we can’t get lost in thinking we can cover ALL our needs through draft.

    I doubt we see anything happen at D coordinator. Head coaches and relationships and all. I would be surprised – but maybe he slides in as secondary coach???? As Singletary came in as LB coach! But I doubt Frazier makes this move.

  228. By vlad19 on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    Shawn, I am glad you like Ponder.

    But comparing him to Peyton, Aikman or Brees and Ponder has the arm strength of Div II QBs (see T-Jack)you do not do your argument any favors. You call me mad!

    But you wanted facts: Ponder 70 passer rating, can’t read a defense, “hot reads” mean nothing to him, let the blitz come and panic is his MO on field management. If not for Harvin, POonder would not have thrown for 1000 yards this season, and that is close to absolute fact! He was 4-10 for 28 yds on Sunday – had 3 pick-6 in last 4 weeks (and high and behind Gearhart, a MOVING target, while Ponder was unchallenged on the throw is PONDER’S fault NOT Gearhart’s). Ponder, since his “rookie franchise record” breakout performance has thrown for barely over 300 yds in 4 weeks. These should be “fact” enough to support my argument, there is WAY too much apreciation for a very average to bad performance.

    Lastly, I don’t “blame” anybody about anything. That is not what MY comments were about – the love affair with Ponder seems just absolutely out of balance, THAT is what I am speaking to. You further support my position in your defense of average to bad as a high standard.

  229. By Shawn on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    vlad … ill do the research for you …

    troy aikman … 1st year … 0W-11L … 155-293 = 52.9% completion … 1749 yard … 9tds – 18 ints … 55.5 qb rating

    drew brees … 2nd year ( didnt start as a rookie ) 8W-8L … 320-526 = 60% completions … 3284 yards … 17tds – 16ints … 76 qb rating

    Ponder … 2W-8L … 158-291 = 54.3% … 1800 yards … 13tds – 13int … 70.1 qb rating

    Peyton Manning … 3W-13L … 326-575 = 56.7% completions … 3739 yards … 26tds-28ints … 71.2 qb rating

    vlad … it looks comparable … i am not saying Ponder will become these other HoFers but you dont know he wont, he has had a COMPARABLE rookie season

  230. By vikingman on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    I hope the Vikes go after Luck in the draft.

  231. By peter on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    Arrow89 Because our Oline needs help I also believe we should give Ponder relief and use Webb part time especially when our blocking breaks down and Ponder is getting smacked around. As everyone can see this scenario has been happening naturally in the last 8 games. It just kind of Fits. If Ponder plays 100% of the time next year we are risking a serious injury to our QB. We did that with another player a week ago! Riley Reiff 3rd pick! DB next pick.
    Matt Flynn Free Agent Pick Up

  232. By Vikings1 on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    @ Brennen
    I am sure that most everyone agree that we need a WR, CB ans OL, however, I disagree as to the order you have listed. In my opinion, we need OL as our 1st pick then CB tnen WR. My thinking is this, with a better OL, QB WILL have more time to look for receivers. ! agree we need a WR that can stretch the field but we need a good OL to be productive in the NFL

  233. By peterk on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    Does anyone believe picking up Matt Flynn from free agency as an insurance policy is a bad idea ???

  234. By peterk on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    I meant Riley Reiff as the 3rd pick in the 1st Round if the OT from USC is not available.

  235. By Troy on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    Ponder is the future at QB not Joe Webb.Webb is a great athlete .Running QB’s dont last in the NFL.They get hurt often. See Mike Vick.

  236. By Jon on Jan 3, 2012 | Reply

    Again, we’re focusing on this game alone? Probably because it’s the only one that supports you negative opinions of Joe, but let’s play your game.

    Okay, you guys watched the game more closely than I. You tell me. Were there not 3 missed field goals on Joe’s watch? Field goals should be automatic in the NFL. These guys are professionals. 12 points, Vikings win. BUT, let’s look at the Ponder/ Webb points ratio for the Lions and Redskins game as well, to get an accurate sample size. Also, how many points did Joe score for the Bears on pick sixes. Ponder had 7. Take that pick six away, Vikings win on that field goal.

    I’m not going to make excuses for Joe. He knows not to throw into triple coverage, and he did it anyway. He took a sack when he should have thrown it away. People make mistakes, including first round picks worth $10.5 million over 5 years apparently. I’m sure Ponder was not guilty of anything so egregious and costly all season, haha.

    Joe is your best QB. Play him, or if you dislike him so much, trade him and get somebody that fits y’all’s MO better. I’m sure Vinny Testaverde is still alive somewhere. He’s probably old enough for you. Also, Joey Harrington could be a great mentor for Ponder. I see a similar career arch in Ponder’s future. But you guys are stuck with him for a minute, so I guess you should keep practicing defending him and explaining away his shortcomings. And again, have fun with that.

  237. By Jon on Jan 3, 2012 | Reply

    $10.5 million over 4 years, my mistake. I didn’t want to underreport his value per year. Joe is currently running you upwards of $700k/ year.

  238. By garth on Jan 3, 2012 | Reply

    Vikings need to stretch the field.Was impressed with Blackmon from Ok State. If the Rams grab him, we should take Kalil from U.S.C.

  239. By Troy on Jan 3, 2012 | Reply

    Joe Webb is not the answer and he didnt earn the right to start next year. Last time I checked unless he’s running, his passing is not that good and he has been in the system longer than Ponder. Plus Ponder had no OTA or Mini camps and a short preseason and even then didnt get much because of McScabb.

    I am tired of Viking fans not giving someone a chance, I agree Webb has great ability but not as the quarterback. All I heard is let Joe have a chance well he did and we still lost and his passing was terrible. If the Vikings thought Webb was the guy why waste a number 1 pick on Ponder?

    Ponder will be fine we have alot of other issues to be worrying about.

  240. By Troy on Jan 3, 2012 | Reply

    Go ahead and make Webb your starter next year and I quarantee half way through the season the same people who want Webb will be begging for someoine else. Webb is like Culpepper, runs too much and is going to get hurt. Remember Culpepper wouldnt have been that good if he didint always throw it up to Moss. Ponder has no one other than Harvin and hes no Moss.

    Time for us to realize were not that good and we wont be for at least two more years, look how bad Stafford was his first two years and now he should be the MVP. Give Ponder some time and an O-Line and then make your judgements.

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