A Review Of The Redskins

Posted by Mike Wobschall on December 21, 2011 – 7:38 am

The Vikings will travel to the Nation’s Capital this weekend for a Christmas Eve showdown with the Washington Redskins at FedEx Field. Neither the Vikings nor Redskins can look forward to the playoffs this season, but both teams are looking to close the season on a high note to build momentum for 2012.

The Redskins come into this matchup with a 5-9 record and 4th-place standing in the rough and rugged NFC East. Washington actually began the season as the NFC East’s best team, winning 3 of its first 4 games. But then head coach Mike Shanahan’s group lost 6 consecutive games coming out of their Week 4 bye and they’ve lost 8 of their last 10 after starting out 3-1.

Washington got back to its winning ways last week, though, pulling off a 23-10 upset win over the NY Giants at Met Life Stadium. The running game was key for the Redskins in their victory, as Washington ran the ball 40 times for an average of 3.1 yards per carry, while the Giants rushed the ball just 18 times total and QB Eli Manning was intercepted 3 times.

The running game should be key in this weekend’s game, too. Washington has passed 60.7% of the time this year, which is 6th-highest in the NFL, but Shanahan prefers to have a more balanced attack. With the success Washington had running the ball in victory last week, expect the running game to be emphasized again this week at home against the Vikings. After facing the pass-happy Detroit Lions and New Orleans Saints in the last two weeks and surrendering 76 points in the process, the Vikings will welcome the challenge of battling Washington’s ground game. The Vikings rank 10th in rushing defense this season, while Washington ranks just 29th in rushing offense.

When Washington does pass the ball, Rex Grossman is the trigger man. A 9-year veteran out of the University of Florida, Grossman is familiar with the Vikings after beginning his career in Chicago and playing there from 2003-08, a run that included a Super Bowl appearance as the team’s starter. Grossman began this season as the starter in Washington and went 3-2 over the first five games before giving way to backup John Beck for 3 games. Then Grossman reclaimed the starting job in Week 10 and has started the Redskins last 6 games, going 2-4 in that stretch. For the season Grossman is completing 58.3% of his passes for 2,611 yards with a 13-18 TD-INT ratio and a modest 71.4 passer rating. Beck wasn’t any better in his brief stint under center this season, going 80 for 132 (60.6%) for 858 yards with 2 TDs and 4 INTs for a passer rating of 72.1.

A few other notes on Washington’s offense…
– TE Fred Davis leads the team in receptions with 59, but he won’t play in Saturday’s game because he’s been suspended for the rest of the season. WR Jabar Gaffney leads the team in receiving yards with 842. Washington also has Santana Moss, a productive veteran who has 4 TD catches this season.
– Rookie Roy Helu leads Washington in rushing attempts (147), rushing yards (635) and is tied with Beck for the team lead in rushing TDs (2).
– Washington ranks 15th in 3rd down offense, converting 37.3% of their tries, and 27th in red zone offense, scoring TDs 43.2% of the time they enter the red zone.
– The Redskins have allowed 37 sacks on the season, which is tied for 22nd.

Defensively, the Redskins run a 3-4 scheme and boast a talented front 7. The 3 starting down linemen are Adam Carriker and Stephen Bowen at DE and Barry Cofield at NT. Talented pass-rusher Brian Orakpo and rookie standout Ryan Kerrigan man the OLB positions, while 13-year pro London Fletcher and Perry Riley start at ILB. Fletcher leads the defense in tackles, Kerrigan (7.5) and Orakpo (7.0) lead the way in sacks, and Bowen and Carriker do a lot of the grunt work in the trenches. Bowen and Carriker have combined for 11.0 sacks on the season.

The Redskins secondary features ball-hawking CB DeAngelo Hall, who has 35 INTs in 8+ seasons and 3 INTs and 14 passes defensed through 14 games this year. The secondary has taken a hit recently, though, as S LaRon Landry, a do-it-all type of defender, has been placed on the Reserve/Injured list.

Here are a few more notes on Washington’s defense…
– Washington ranks 13th in pass defense, 15th in rushing defense and 16th in scoring defense (21.4 points per game).
– The Redskins have collected 37 sacks on the season, 10th-most in the NFL.
– Washington ranks just 16th in 3rd-down defense (37.0%), but they rank 2nd in red zone defense (surrender a TD just 39.1% of the time).

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93 Responses to “A Review Of The Redskins”

  1. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 21, 2011 | Reply

    Just got done reading a sports column a bit ago…If the Vikes lose the rest of their games…And the Colts win one more game this season…The Vikes (having lost against teams with weaker schedules) would have the number one pick in the draft…I believe Ponder is the man for the Vikings future…But the number one pick would be worth at least 3 number one picks for the Vikes…So another team can draft Luck…

  2. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 21, 2011 | Reply

    From what the sports writer had in that column…If the Vikings,Colts and Rams all have a 2-14 record at the end of the season…Vikings would get the number one pick…The Colts would have the second pick…And the Rams number 3 pick in this springs draft…

  3. By Parody on Dec 21, 2011 | Reply

    Sorry OTK, but I think that the sports writer was mistaken. I have been keeping track of draft position, and while Indy has a difficult schedule, the Vikings schedule is significantly more difficult. The teams that the Colts are scheduled against this year have a combined record of 119-105, while the Vikings’ opponents are at 128-96. The only way that I see us getting the #1 is if Indy wins out and we continue on to a 2-14 record.

  4. By Parody on Dec 21, 2011 | Reply

    I could be mistaken though. I’m not sure whether they calculate divisional oppoents once or twice, but since each team is played twice I chose to calculate them all twice. So, just for grins, I adjusted it to calculate divisional oppenants once each, and Indy and Minnesota end up having identical schedule difficulty at 99-83 each. Under that scenario, the #1 pick would be completely up for grabs.

  5. By Parody on Dec 21, 2011 | Reply

    However, I just learned that divisional records come up as the second tiebreaker. One of our wins (Jacksonville) is outside of our division. Indy’s final-3 games are against conference teams, so one more win for them would give us the advantage in the 2nd tiebreaker.

  6. By Carl K on Dec 21, 2011 | Reply

    Even if the Vikings have a shot at Luck – what teams are hungry enough to make a deal for Luck.
    Washington and Miami maybe. But they will be picking in the top ten and Matt Barkely and Robert Griffen will probably still be on the board at that time.

    So I can’t see anyone team giving up 3 high first round picks for Luck.
    Maybe Jim Harbaugh with the 49ers or John Elway with Denver might be in “love” with Luck enough to give up a couple low 1st rd picks and a couple low 2nds… but I really don’t see any team willing to trade the farm for Luck.

    I like Matt Kalil with the #2 overall pick… And a solid safety or corner with the 2nd round pick.

  7. By Parody on Dec 21, 2011 | Reply

    Carl – You really think that Elway would make that move after all the hype that has been built up for Tebow? After all those comeback victory drives he’s been able to muster, the fans would lynch anyone who traded away the future to get a different QB.

  8. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 21, 2011 | Reply

    Check out the column scout foxsports….Titled “Awkward…Luck reportedly to sign with Manning’s agent”…..That’s where I read the column…I can see Jacksonville losing that last game to the Colts…Taking a new QB in the draft with a new owner taking over…And wanting to deal big time with the Vikes for Luck…They have been fighting Manning for years…Lose one game too the Colts…And could be in line for their own Manning for the future…

    Gabbert is bad…And the new owner would lose less than 5 million to replace him next season…

  9. By DRS on Dec 21, 2011 | Reply

    Everyone no QB will be any good with this team, no one. This team has no O-line, defense, and questionable coaching. There is no one to lead this team when it comes to drafting and free agencies. We need one person in charge, like a GM. This team needs a new home like the stadium that is proposed; this team has never been the same team it was when it was playing in the old Metropolitan Stadium, 4 SB’s in the Met, 0 SB’s in the dome, nothing more to say about that. The new Stadium needs to be outside the twin cities for the very reason that the Met was; more room to tailgate and for parking, with being close to the cities for all their amenities.

    Everyone have a great day.

  10. By DRS on Dec 21, 2011 | Reply

    There is a small chance that the Vikings can win this game, if they come out and play good defense, and do their job on the o-line. We can only hope they do this, but hope is in short supply at this time. Can the coaches find out how to coach will be the next big question of the day?

    God bless U-All.

  11. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 21, 2011 | Reply

    Remember…Jacksonville is in the same division as the Colts…A deal would be tough too make…Lose to the Colts…Colts do not have a drama off season dealing with Manning…Good reason for the Colts to win…Jacksonville made a bad choice in Gabbert…(guy is scared of taking hits)…Trade with the Vikes to get Luck…Vikes still have a top 5 pick (and a lot more)…Vikes don’t need a QB……Colts get the number 2…Still worth its weight in gold for them…Jags don’t have to worry about the next 10 years playing against the next future P Manning with Luck going to the Colts…And if all works out right…Luck will end up with the Jags instead of the Colts…How is that for a conspiracy theory..: )

  12. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 21, 2011 | Reply

    Think how much stadium hype that would surround the Vikes having the first pick in the draft at seasons end…And what might happen with franchise with that pick ???…Lets face it Viking fans…All of the NFL sports nations eyes will be on what the Vikings might do with the number one over all pick in the draft…And what good it could do for the franchise in the long run ???…Vikings office would get media coverage all off season long…Might even keep vital interest in a stadium bill !!!…In the words of Al Davis (in reverse of course) is…

    ” Just lose…Baby !!!!”….

  13. By saddy on Dec 21, 2011 | Reply

    I would take luck, he has a faster release which would keep the blitzes away, trade ponder he is making the same mistakes again and again, take Ot Mike Adams from Ohio, get cb and wr in free agency and later draft picks.

  14. By Carl K on Dec 21, 2011 | Reply

    Parody- Love is blind! Elway went to Stanford. He has been seen on the Cardinal side lines many times. Elway has been slow to wrap him arms around the Tebow era.

    Tebow was off the board before the Vikings had the chance to take Tebow.
    Would Denver trade Tebow and some draft picks for Luck.
    I think so.
    I also think Jim Harbaugh would trade Alex Smith and some picks to move up for Luck.

    I think maybe 5 teams might be in the market for Andrew Luck.. but I don’t think anyone will give up 3 first rd picks. I think it will need to include some players and some later round picks.

  15. By Parody on Dec 21, 2011 | Reply

    Well, the Texans have the division locked up with no other teams even close to 500. So, it might be a strategic move for both the Texans and Jaguars to “agree” to let the Colts win the final two games! Sounds like a very realistic conspiracy.

    Jacksonville traded away their 2nd-round pick last year to get Gabbert, so I find it hard to believe that they’ll make an even bigger trade to get another first-round QB, even under new ownership. Gabbert was listed as a project QB in the draft anyways, so he needs more time to get a feel for the game.

    Still, there are plenty of other teams who would go crazy at the option of trading for Luck. Washington is the most appealing one on my list. They’re currently at the #6 position in the draft, so we could still land a top notch player and get an extra early 2nd-rounder, potentially more.

    Miami has to be in the mood for a QB too, and they’re still in the top-10 as well. With these two teams competing for a trade for Luck, we could really make a killing if the football gods just happened to decide to give us the good fortune of being the worst team in the NFL…

  16. By Viking33 on Dec 21, 2011 | Reply

    I am not opposed to thinking outside the Box and trading Ponder for draft pix and grabbing RG3. However, Ponder is not bad either, and has a lot of promise….so 6 of 1 half a dozen of the other – you decide. I watched a lot of RG3 this year and that kid is a natural talent – he seems to have his head on straiight too. If you notice during a game this is what happens –> Ponder drops back to pass, looks at his first option then either throws it there or his next read…….which right now is looking at the pass rush that is about to kill him. I saw Brees Sunday go through all his reads and then start over again!!! It is not fair to judge Ponders QB progression with no protection. Our Pass rush and coverage is a Novel in its own right

  17. By Parody on Dec 21, 2011 | Reply

    Carl – I wouldn’t want Tebow. Too many questions on his resume, and there’s enough young QBs competing on the team as it is. Tebow is in a perfect situation at Denver. He’s turned the team around from bottom dwellers with a 2-5 record to take over the division lead. Even if his head coach hates him, I doubt ownership will let Elway make a move to replace him. It would be career suicide in the eyes of the fans.

  18. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 21, 2011 | Reply

    Parody…google “Larry Brown Sports”…Maybe you can find the article that way…If Scout doesn’t work for you…Colts need only one more win…And for the Vikes to lose the rest of their games…And the Vikinhs have the number one pick in this springs draft….Houston can do what ever they want…Jacksonville is the key…

  19. By Parody on Dec 21, 2011 | Reply

    OTK – I just pulled the article up. It doesn’t explain why they think the Vikings would have the pick over the Colts, so unless I see their reasoning, I’m going to assume that they made a mistake. Currently, the Colts would win the tiebreaker over the Vikings, who would win the tiebreaker over the Rams. (See reasoning in my earlier post).

  20. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 21, 2011 | Reply

    I think Ponder is going to be a GREAT player for the Vikings…But coaching needs to help him out more…Ponder has been cranking his head to early on his primary reads coming back from center…Way to much head movement to begin with…While staring down receivers making it easy for defenders jumping pass routes of late…He should be keeping his head straight forward until routes develop just a little…And reading more with his peripheral vision looking straight ahead until just before he gets to planting his foot to throw the football….THEN start turning his head taking a more sure and direct line of vision for his reads…All Ponder needs to do this off season is watch tape on Brees and Rodgers…And he will pick up a lot…Both have great technique when it comes to pre- snap reads…And even more so…pre- throwing reads before setting their feet dropping back…

  21. By Thomas on Dec 21, 2011 | Reply

    We should take Matt Kalil even if we have pick #1. I think our offense will improve greatly with an offseason and a solid O-line. All other picks should be Defensive backs and linemen and a 5-6 or 7 O-guard.

  22. By Viking33 on Dec 21, 2011 | Reply

    All Vikes fans should watch Thursday December 29th @ 8 pm Central – RG3 and the Baylor Bears vs. Washington. See for yourselves what this kid can do. He is my Timmy Tebow – I am looking for an RG3 action figure , does Tim Tebow have an action figure yet – I am sure he does and I am sure it glows. ( For the people that cannot discern – I am kidding about the action figures – I am working on life size dolls now, I think it will replace the Fathead for sure….again just kidding )

  23. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 21, 2011 | Reply

    Parody…It says right in the end of the article…(The only way the Colts can survive the awkward dealing in the Luck sweepstakes is be tied with the Vikings for the worst record in football at 2-14…”Minnesota would have the top overall pick in that scenario if that were to happen”.)….The Colts shoud lose the tie breaker in his report…

  24. By Viking33 on Dec 21, 2011 | Reply

    OTK and Parody – Don’t look now but the Bears are coming to town and they aren’t looking so hot either. I live in Chicago and all the Cutler haters are now eating their words big time…..good QB’s do make a difference.

  25. By sandiamond on Dec 21, 2011 | Reply

    Colts win tomorrow night and all sports writers will be doing some new calculating! time to start talking about the vikings

  26. By Parody on Dec 21, 2011 | Reply

    OTK – I read that, what I didn’t see is WHY they think the Vikings win the tiebreaker. The Colts have an easier schedule than the Vikings. Our opponents have won 9-more games than theirs have. That can change, but until it does, the tiebreaker goes to Indy.

  27. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 21, 2011 | Reply

    Vikes might be struggling getting things together..But love my Vikes !!!…Ponder,AP,Rudolf,Harvin,Allen,etc…Things could be worse…But need more youth and talent on the O-line…Kalil would be HUGE this spring there….And the secondary…WOW !!!…does that need a total makeover !!…But a Viking fan looks to the future…And I think its better than most might think…

  28. By Parody on Dec 21, 2011 | Reply

    Viking33 – What makes you think that CG3 would be a valuable pick in our situation? We have two young prospects at QB already. A third won’t help us out. Our future lies in the hands of Ponder. That will be the truth at least through 2012. Embrace it and look for ways to help him succceed.

  29. By Viking33 on Dec 21, 2011 | Reply

    I just saw a report on ESPN that said the Vikings right now have the 3rd pick because we have the harder schedule than the Rams. Rams have Steelers and 49ers left so that will likely change by the end of the season. They did not go into detail on the Colts. Here is a Question for ya……Can we handle the First Pick?

  30. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 21, 2011 | Reply

    Parody…I agree with you…I guess I will not trust any results right now until I hear something coming from a good Mn sports reporter…They will want to make SURE their report is correct…They know Mn fans are waiting to see how the wins and losses will shake out for the draft…

  31. By Carl K on Dec 21, 2011 | Reply

    Great points Parody.
    I agree trading Tebow could be a career ending move for most people.
    But Elway is a fan icon in Denver… and I don’t think many NFL people really believe that Tebow has a better skill set at the QB postion than Andrew Luck.

    If anyone can trade Tebow and live to tell about it, it would be John Elway.
    And if any player is worth trading Tebow for… it would be Luck.

  32. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 21, 2011 | Reply

    Vikings33…” Can we handle the first pick ??? “….If the Vikings did get that pick…They better keep their mouths closed on what they intend to do with it !!!…The Vikings blab way too much in winter park !!…Another reason a GM is so much needed here… Only way that number one pick has any value…Is for the other top teams in the draft NOT to know what is going to happen with the team that has it….

  33. By Viking33 on Dec 21, 2011 | Reply

    Parody – why would we keep Ponder if we got RG3, I am not saying that at all? Just saying to keep an open mind – what is the draft for if not to improve your players? Ponder and RG3 have great value to us. With the second pick RG3 will be there, do we pass on him to just settle on picking whomever at the #2 spot just to let him trickle to the next guy? Or do you trade the #2 pick for more picks or players? And if you do that what is the difference if you trade Ponder for Picks and take RG3 @ #2 or Keep Ponder and then trade the RG3 pick @ #2 for more picks……I think we would be able to improve our draft doing either, but to not trade one would be a failure. There is a lot of good OL help in the draft past the #2 position. We can improve much much more with more picks. I am just saying RG3 is better than Ponder….time will tell, but that is my opinion.

  34. By sandiamond on Dec 21, 2011 | Reply

    Yes so true, they had better NOT talk all the way up to the draft in order to gain more value with the #1 pick

  35. By Viking33 on Dec 21, 2011 | Reply

    Spielman loves the Microphone too much…..doomed.

  36. By Parody on Dec 21, 2011 | Reply

    I will not be so bold to agree which QB is better, or which one will prove to be the better player at the end of their careers. There are far too many variables to consider for anyone to make an educated prediction on it.

    If you’re looking at trade value, the #2 pick is going to be much more valuable than Ponder. Ponder has yet to prove he is worth the selection at #12, so I doubt any team would be willing to give more than a 2nd-round pick for him, and I wouldn’t be surprised in the least to see the best offer for Ponder being considerably less than that.

    With that said, Ponder isn’t going anywhere in the next year. I like the potential that trading the #2 pick brings, but I wouldn’t be disappointed at all if the team used it to draft Kalil. A good QB is essential to a successful team, but a good offensive line is essential to a good QB.

  37. By Parody on Dec 21, 2011 | Reply

    Carl – You also make a good argument, but I still don’t believe that it would be a good choice in the least for the Vikings to take Tebow as part of the trade.

    IF that’s the way that Elway wants to go, then he can trade his first and second round picks for 2012 and 2013 in order to get Luck. Then he can trade Tebow to a desperate team to gain back one or both of those 2nd-rounders.

  38. By Twoodsnvikes on Dec 21, 2011 | Reply

    The Colts have played a much easier schedule than the Vikes and therefore would still get the number one pick if we tied

  39. By Parody on Dec 21, 2011 | Reply

    Well, I’ll be dãmned. It’s snowing! We just might get a white Chrístmas afterall…

  40. By Twoodsnvikes on Dec 21, 2011 | Reply

    We will be able to get a lot of value for the number two pick for teams desperate to get RG3

  41. By Viking33 on Dec 21, 2011 | Reply

    I don’t think it is so Bold – you just can’t be afraid to be wrong. So it is this –> Ponder and the #2 pick LT Kalil or RG3 and trade Ponder for the #12(roughly) pick for a LT – Pick your Poison I guess, I am ok either way. Ponder has Matt Ryan – Romo – Eli Manning level talent – Robert Griffin has Peyton Manning – Rodgers – Brees level talent. Where the team lets that talent develop to really matters also, I agree. If we keep Ponder, I would like to see the pick traded for more picks and go #1 LT #2 RT then Defense the rest of the way.

  42. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 21, 2011 | Reply

    The Colts would actually be better off with the number 2 pick…Luck would only cause trouble in Indy..Colts owe Manning 28 million next season to retain his contract rights…No team is going to want a QB at that price tag with no guarantee on his neck problems ???…So they would have to just release Manning…And get nothing for him more or less…If the Colts still want insurance for Manning…They have any of the other top rated QB’s they could take with the second pick in the draft…Only Luck is expected to be a first year starter…The rest can sit a few years and learn…

    Just hope the Vikings stay vary vague on what they will do in the draft…Because they are most likely going to have at least a top 3 pick…And there is a lot they can do with that pick…The power is in the silence of what they might do with that pick also…. ( I still can’t believe when Clueless went to visit Harvin a few days before the draft !!!….How foolish was that ???…)

  43. By Twoodsnvikes on Dec 21, 2011 | Reply

    We are basically guaranteed the number 2 pick. We will definitely lose against the Redskins no question about it. The bears, if Cutler doesn’t start, we could have a chance. Considering that we made the worst passer in the league in Tim Tebow look like a passing god, I’m sure we will make Hanie or McCown look the same way and the Bears defense is still good so I’m sure we’ll lose both and get the 2nd pick.

  44. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 21, 2011 | Reply

    Twood…Only thing about the Bears…They might only be playing for pride also…So if that being the case…Will they play hard at the Vikings home field the last game of the year ???..Especially if it helps them get a higher draft choicr next spring…If the Bears were playing at home…I say an all out effort would be given…At the Dome ???…With nothing to lose or gain for the year ???…

  45. By OTKalil2012 on Dec 21, 2011 | Reply

    I think the Rams lose out…Talk about a brutal last 2 games…Vikes might win with lack of effort from the opposing 2 teams not heading to the playoffs left of the schedule…Not saying it will happen…But could work out HORRIBLE for the Vikings to win their last 2 games…I hate losing as a Viking fan…But if there is 2 games I would be OK with them losing…It would be the next 2 games that mean NOTHING this season…But could mean the WORLD too the team in this springs draft and beyond…

  46. By Shawn on Dec 21, 2011 | Reply

    Viking33 … pretty odd wanting RG3, but I guess opinions are like a**holes :)

    I really REALLY hope we end up with the second pick. It just makes everything work out … at number 2 we dont have to think about Luck ( which I have thought about ) and we get Kalil to protect Ponder for the next 12-15 years.

    If we end up with the 3rd pick that would be worse case …. because then it makes chaos … do you get a DB a little higher than you should or another DL which isnt our weakness or do we have to settle at a lesser LT which could be a bust

    From what I hear there are 2 sure thing in this draft … Luck and Kalil … I hope we get the second pick

  47. By Shawn on Dec 21, 2011 | Reply

    plus with the second pick of the 2nd round ( pick 34 ) we should get another quality player

  48. By Shawn on Dec 21, 2011 | Reply

    Viking33 … I think our front office will get a good player in the 1st round, they have a proven track record there. Its the rest of the draft Im worried about

  49. By Deertracks on Dec 21, 2011 | Reply

    I truly believe that since the last two games don’t mean a hill of beans, I suggest to Frazier he set his starters, and play all his people sitting on their duffs on the Practice Squad…Lets find out in that short time frame, if any of them have the makings to replace some of those presently on the team..

    Also, if any of those on the Injurel Reserve can play put them in…Lets see what we have…

    So we lose the last 2 games..BIG FR-CKING DEAL! The bright side is we get a better draft picks next spring

  50. By Shawn on Dec 21, 2011 | Reply

    also hope we get 1 or 2 of the quality DBs in free agency … we tried to get the Safety Eric Weddle from SD but SD made him the highest paid safety and we were 20 mill over the cap last offseason

    just think … 2 good FAs and 2 good draft picks might get us to the playoffs next year ( fingers crossed )

    especially if Chris Cook gets a good plea bargain

  51. By Deertracks on Dec 21, 2011 | Reply

    And PLAY JOE WEBB!!!

  52. By Shawn on Dec 21, 2011 | Reply

    could we get a …

    FA- safety …. Michael Griffen or Tyvon Branch

    FA- Corner

    Draft 1st LT Kalil

    draft second … OG

    Chris cook returns

    3rd round … WR – Marvin McNutt from Iowa

    and we are due for a healthy year since we have been bitten by injuries the last 2 seasons hard

  53. By jeremy on Dec 21, 2011 | Reply

    @DRS~ I agree w/ you regarding the outside stadium input you posted~

  54. By Saddy on Dec 21, 2011 | Reply

    I think Thursday Night football will be good this week. It’s 50/50, but I think Texans will win this one to get home field advantage.

    On the other end Jags will look to lose so that their division rivals don’t haunt them by getting Andrew Luck for years.

    We want Yates to throw some picks, may be people who love Peyton Manning in their team will give their heart out to win the next 2 games for Colts.

  55. By Deertracks on Dec 21, 2011 | Reply

    I was refering to the same spots the starters have, use the pratice squad members…..

  56. By James on Dec 21, 2011 | Reply

    I still think i should swich my colors to blue and silver. Mabye i should go for tom brady and the pats

  57. By TITANIUM TITUS on Dec 21, 2011 | Reply

    Cowboys or Lions?

  58. By Shawn on Dec 21, 2011 | Reply

    Why werent these bad coaches fired after their first season. Im sure all the fans knew they were losers. Why did they keep their jobs ???

    Bill Parcells … 1st Season … 3-12-1 … 3 Super Bowls … 2 Super Bowl wins

    Bud Grant … 1st Season … 3-8-3 …. 4 Super Bowls

    Jimmy Johnson … 1st Season … 1-15 … 2 Super Bowl wins

    Bill Walsh … 1st Season … 2-14 … 3 Super Bowl wins

    Chuck Knoll … 1st season … 1-13 … 4 Super Bowl Wins

  59. By Parody on Dec 21, 2011 | Reply

    Looks like a nice list of some pretty crâppy coaches Shawn. What were their owners thinking? One of them only went to two Super Bowls, and another never even won one? Mediocre guys at best. They were lucky just to have a job after not winning the Super Bowl in their first years. What’s the point of paying a guy if he can’t be perfect right from the beginning?

  60. By TITANIUM TITUS on Dec 21, 2011 | Reply

    Shawn, those that agree with you do not need convincing, and those that disagree cannot fathom how life really works, and it is unlikely they will agree with you until they see the pudding. And might I add to your post– there is often a reason why a coach is a new head coach– they are replacing a coach who has had losing seasons. Seasons with an “s.” Building a championship team is like when grandma would bake a pie from scratch– it takes every single ingredient from large to small and it takes planning, preparation, organization, and time! If we keep changing coaches, we will be in microwaveland and not win for years and years. Frazier had built an incredible defense prior to this year– he is no stranger to winning. He will get it done if we stay with him long enough to let the pie bake.

  61. By Parody on Dec 21, 2011 | Reply

    Now I’m not sure if I want to see the team mature into next year or just grab a big fat piece of pie…

  62. By TITANIUM TITUS on Dec 21, 2011 | Reply

    Sorry, Parody– just having my first meal of the day — so busy – and I thought of my grandma’s signature pie– chocolate– of course, everything including the crust from scratch. She would work on that for probably a couple hours and then we would gobble it down– so it will be for our Superbowl. She made a great banana cream as well–

  63. By Parody on Dec 21, 2011 | Reply

    But can’t we just drive in to Perkins and buy a pre-made Super Bowl team?

  64. By zjay on Dec 21, 2011 | Reply

    You would like banana cream. H0m0 boy.

  65. By TITANIUM TITUS on Dec 21, 2011 | Reply

    Yep– takes consistency to build a winning program. The old adage, “You cannot win a race if you change horses mid-stream” is old for a reason.

  66. By Deertracks on Dec 21, 2011 | Reply

    Shawn, Titus..Never argue with an idiot..People reading may not be able to tell the difference…

  67. By DraftKalil on Dec 21, 2011 | Reply

    We have to do EVERYTHING we can to draft Kalil! This is a godsend for us an we have to take advantage!

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  71. By VikesFan on Dec 21, 2011 | Reply

    the vikings dont need another qb. i beleave in ponder and joe webb. they WILL get better during the offseason. our biggest problem on our team is our SECONDARY SECONDARY we NEED to draft CB morris claiborne out of lsu or CB Dre kirkpatrick out of alabama for our 1st round draft pick…..NOT A QB

  72. By VikesFan on Dec 21, 2011 | Reply

    believe* not beleave

  73. By SUPERMAN2812 on Dec 22, 2011 | Reply

    another position they need to take a serious look into is the wo. I love percy but we need a big physical reciever like a larry fitzgerald to take the edge off of people like percy or our tight ends and defently make it easier on ap.

  74. By purplegoldman on Dec 22, 2011 | Reply

    By the way Matt Kalil is not going pro. hes staying put for his senior year. Kalil saw what two teams would draft him, Vikes or Rams and decided to stay put one more year. Pretty sad.

  75. By 61vikings on Dec 22, 2011 | Reply

    @ Parody
    Your an idiot!! Those are some of the greatest coaches ever!! All of which are in the HOF or soon to be!! Mentioning our coach (Frazier), in the same breathe as these guys is a slap in there face!! What a joke!! No wonder why I go to to talk football, you hamburgers are clueless!!
    @ purplegoldman
    Matt Kalil is coming out and the Vikes will draft him!! If the Vikes do end up with the first pick, they should draft Luck and use him as trade possibilities or keep him and trade Ponder!!!

  76. By Parody on Dec 22, 2011 | Reply

    @61vikings – first off, you’re the idiot, if for no other reason than not being able to realize that it was Shawn who posted the comment that you’re whining about, not me.

    I’m sure if you went back in time and analyzed how people reacted to those coaches in their first years, they’d be getting many of the same ignorant complaints. Is any of us saying Frazier is as good as them? No! Their history is being used simply to show that EVEN some of the best coaches in the history of the game started out poorly.

    It would, after all, be a pretty weak argument to say that Brad Childress and Mike Tice both started out with 6-wins in their first years…

  77. By Deertracks on Dec 22, 2011 | Reply

    Like I explained, Frazier…Play the Practice Squad…

  78. By Parody on Dec 22, 2011 | Reply

    But enough of that. I will save my breath to debate with intelligent fans, and allow you to return to so you can continue to whine in harmony with the ignorant mãsses.

  79. By hippster on Dec 22, 2011 | Reply

    here is some more truths coming at you shawn frazier is nothing like coaches you discribed never will be .

  80. By jcdogg on Dec 22, 2011 | Reply

    Shawn–Thank you for that. Vikings fans have to understand what it means to rebuild a team. My draft Goes like this

    1. Blackmon–playmaker Ponder needs a legitimate deep threat. Blackmon is a big powerful receiver with tons of talent.
    2. ILB–Henderson is not the Middle Line backer of 2009 (Jasper maybe the answer, but Bonefit and Teo maybe available here. If not D-backs, D-backs, D-backs
    3. O-line–remember, this line is brand new and this is their first year together. Move CJohnson to guard, start Berger, Koositra is supposedly solid, Find a right tackle–lets face it Loadholt is terrible.
    Below this look for that hidden talent, remember Randy Moss was I believe 4th round or 7th. Something to that effect.

  81. By Viking Joe on Dec 22, 2011 | Reply

    Randy Moss was drafted by the Vikings in the first round in 1998 !!!!

  82. By David P on Dec 22, 2011 | Reply

    RG# is a great player but look at the QB’s in the last 10 years that have own the Heisman. Where are they? Tebow is playing but who else? I am not sold on RG3. The vikings need to keep ponder and either use the second pick on Kali or trade the second pick for more draft picks. We have two young QB’s in the fold we do not need another.

  83. By Regfan on Dec 22, 2011 | Reply

    The Question is …can the Vikes lose the last 2 games

  84. By jcdogg on Dec 22, 2011 | Reply

    This coming year, there will be a lot of movement in the league with a entire preseason. The Vikings need to hit the Free Agency hard and find some talent, especially in the Defense. Offensively, I am confident that you will see a strong offense led by AP and Ponder. They are going to make the next 7 years really fun to watch, especially if we build that stadium…That concept looks awesome. We could finally have a world class organization.

  85. By David P on Dec 22, 2011 | Reply

    @Regfan, That is tough because this clueless coaching staff will have their best game plan and win the last two games. In doing so they will not put a lot of pressure on the front office to actually use the draft effectively.

  86. By Shawn on Dec 22, 2011 | Reply

    LMAO Parody …. hahahaha. Its amazing isnt it?

  87. By 61vikings on Dec 22, 2011 | Reply

    @ Parody
    Read your own comment that you wrote after Shawn you Dumb$ss!!!!
    We’ve had 3 great coaches here in Minnesota, Bud Grant, Jerry Burns and Dennis Green!! I wouldn’t put any of them in the same class as those coaches!! I would put Bud Grant in that class, had he won, one of his SuperBowls!! Grant was a successful coach in Minnesota because Jim Finks,GM from ’64 to ’74, built one heck of a team!! He also built the Saints into a power in the late ’80′s and early ’90′s, a team we destroyed in the ’87 playoffs!!!

  88. By Parody on Dec 22, 2011 | Reply

    61Vikings – So you think I was being serious there? Go to your local community college and take a course on sarcasm.

    Think things through a bit, you’re not including the guy in the same class as the others who happened to have the best first year record of the list. Yet you seem to miss the point that Frazier’s first year is right on down there with all those guys you respect. Tell me, how much did you respect them after their first year? Be honest, because I already have a pretty good idea of the answer.

  89. By Shawn on Dec 22, 2011 | Reply

    hippster + 61vikings … wow, Seriously you think fans werent screaming to fire Bill Walsh after his first season 2-14? are you really that out of touch?

    hippster through all of our argument weve already established FACTS are something you dont deal in. Im guessing you dont believe in science even though you use it almost every second of every day. BACK TO YOUR CAVE !!

  90. By Shawn on Dec 22, 2011 | Reply

    by the way if you do a little research you will find Ed DeBatolo almost fired Bill Walsh. So Walsh was in the same boat as Frazier recognized by the less than competant fans as a failure

    hippster research is something you do when you have a theory you investigate it to either prove or disprove your theory …. theories are ideas ah nevermind go get an education so you can carry on a conversation

  91. By 61vikings on Dec 22, 2011 | Reply

    @ The two boyfriends (Shawn & Parody)
    It’s not like Frazier was hired off the street!! He’s been with the Vikings for a few years now, remember, he was our defensive coordinator!! He did good as a coordinator, he’s just not head coach material!! Our defense is worse and he’s the one who brought in Pagac and Musgrave!! I have a feeling that they will let Pagac go and put Singletary in as D-coord. That will be another mistake because Singletary shouldn’t be coaching either!! He was fired in SF and all they did was win there division!! Keep building your team with the wrong coaches and you will be at the bottom of your division for a long time!!

  92. By Parody on Dec 22, 2011 | Reply

    61vikings – It’s obvious that you don’t want to debate. You appear contempt complaining about things without justification, or worse yet, with false justification. That’s not worth my time.

    When you’re ready to do something more than have a childish insult match, I’ll be prepared to debate with you. Until then, just continue reminding us of your fear of homósèxuality so that I know I can just skip reading your posts.

  93. By Parody on Dec 22, 2011 | Reply

    Shawn – Science? Isn’t that just a word that Mel Gibson made up for his new religion? Thanks, but I think it’s already been proven by other religions that science is wrong. The world is flat, 5000 years old, and the center of the universe.

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