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Monday Morning Mailbag Extra: More On Ponder-Webb Discussion

Posted by Mike Wobschall on December 12, 2011 – 10:24 am

We addressed it in the Monday Morning Mailbag, but because I’ve received – and continue to receive – so many emails on it and because not everyone who reads the blog necessarily reads the Mailbag, I wanted to bring up the Christian Ponder-Joe Webb discussion one more time here.

Ponder, dealing with a painful hip injury suffered last week in Denver, made it through this past week and was able to push himself enough to make the start on Sunday. Eventually, though, Ponder couldn’t overcome the injury and Leslie Frazier pulled him in favor of Joe Webb. As you surely saw or at least have heard by now, Webb sparked the team and nearly completed an improbable comeback.

As a result, many of you have formulated the opinion that Webb should be the starter. That’s the basis of the entire discussion, and I’ll provide my opinion here to open up discussion for everyone in the comments section and that will be the last I’ll mention it for the week. Frazier has already said that Ponder is the starter if healthy going forward, and I don’t see that changing.

I agree with Frazier that Ponder should be the starter. It’s not taking anything away from Webb; he came in and did everything he could possibly do to make plays and bring the Vikings back to life. To me, Webb has proven once again that he belongs on an NFL roster and he belongs on the field more often. He’s a playmaker and he possesses a unique skill set that any offense could utilize. And I believe the Vikings will utilize Webb more often going forward, especially once we get to the 2012 season. Let me reiterate – Webb is a terrific player, he belongs in the NFL, he answered the bell above and beyond the call of duty on Sunday, he was a great draft pick by the Vikings and I hope he remains on the team for many years to come.

But with all of that said, Ponder is and will remain the starter and the future of the position for the Vikings. Is he making mistakes right now? Yes, he’s making mistakes. And I know it gets frustrating to watch a quarterback repeatedly give the ball away to the other team. But when you’re in the business of developing a franchise quarterback who is currently in his first year, you have to live with growing pains. Overnight results happen when you’re making Jell-O and baking bread, but not when you’re developing franchise quarterbacks.

As I said in this week’s Monday Morning Mailbag, just look at some of the most successful quarterbacks in the NFL over the past decade. Then look at how they performed in their first year as the starter.

– Peyton Manning had three-interception games three times in his first four starts, and he had 11 interceptions over his first four games. After his first season, Manning had more interceptions (28) than touchdowns (26). I bet Colts fans are glad the team didn’t give up on him.
– Eli Manning had more interceptions (nine) than touchdowns (six) in games that he started as a rookie and then he had four multiple-interception games, including a four-interception game, during his first full year as the starter for the Giants.
– Aaron Rodgers had two three-interception games in his first year as the Packers starting quarterback.
– Matt Ryan had four multiple-interception games in his rookie season.

I’d be willing to bet that each of those teams and their fan bases are glad the team didn’t give up on their respective quarterback after a few bad games.

The moral of the story is to be patient and resist the urge to overreact. Ponder has made mistakes, there’s no denying that. But he’s also shown that he has the ability to be a franchise-caliber quarterback, and he’s done that while playing for a two-win team that needs an influx of talent at several offensive positions.

Be patient, Vikings fans. Ponder will be worth the wait.


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195 Responses to “Monday Morning Mailbag Extra: More On Ponder-Webb Discussion”

  1. By vikingsfan1955 on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    I have to agree with this article and trust me webb will payoff down the line he will be our insurance policy

  2. By CA_Viking_fan on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    I didn’t get to see the game, but it sounds like our Vikings didn’t go down without a fight and I’m proud of them taking it to the final play. I just wish they rested Ponder.

  3. By Stoney on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    I agree also, but the Vikes must find a way to get Webb on the field. Hope to see him at WR. Too much talent to ride the pine!

  4. By Viking Joe on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Why not start Webb against New Orleans, see what he can do, heck he almost lead the Vikes to a comeback win !!!!!

  5. By lilwildwolf21 on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Oh this maybe the case now, but what about the past couple of seasons? We had T-Jack and Webb The Vikings are a team that doesn’t let new talent grow and get better. They are a organization that wants to win now and will sign old warn out players that are pass their prime in order to do it…example Farve Mc nabb, Moon, Cunningham, Mc Manon, I think in the 23 years of being a Vikings fan they had two rookie QB Johnson and Culpepper for as a QB for multiple seasons…As much as Ponder proves he can succeed he is just not a top caliber QB and honestly i don’t think he will be in years to come… I have liked Webb from the beginning as much as i hated Chilly as a coach that was one thing i think he did right…That being said bench Ponder for the rest of the season and let Webb play gives Ponder a chance to heal a little bit longer the season is over no reason to get our stars hurt for pointless games except to be spoilers with teams that need to make the playoffs

  6. By vikwillwin on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Webb is a much more gifted athlete then Ponder with a much stronger arm he has much more up side then ponder could ever hope to have.But Ponder is so smart can learn the game faster but has a much lower ceiling then Webb I for one sit Ponder let him heal its Webbs turn .If were not going to give him time to learn how do we know what he could become.

  7. By wacky on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    ponder sucks!

  8. By DRS on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    When will the Vikings learn that Defense wins game and the offense get all the glory, Vikings get a defense or get use to being at the bottom of the NFL were ever you may call home!

    Peace to everyone.

  9. By DFish on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Mike,
    First thanks for all your hard work each and every day. Your interaction with the fans of this team provides an outstanding and unique environment that no other team in the NFL can offer.

    I agree that Ponder is a QB in development. It’s easy to understand that this development takes time, and it’s even easier to reference the early careers of other great QB’s and compare them to what Ponder is going through right now. Perhaps Ponder will indeed one day be a great QB, perhaps he might only one day be a great back up QB, only time will tell.

    There are still some glaring questions. What is the driving force behind determining that Ponder is indeed the franchise QB the Vikings have been searching for? How can this decision be made after only a small handful of games? What is the deciding factor that Ponder is the franchise QB over Webb? My biggest concern is that Ponder has been labeled a franchise QB only because of where he was selected in the draft, and what if it turns out he isn’t? It is just as easy to reference past QB’s again here; Ryan Leaf, Andre Ware, Akili Smith; or even further QB’s who were drafted in the first round, remained in the league, but never really solidified a franchise QB caliber career, Kerry Collins, Tim Couch, Chad Pennington, I could go on.

    I’m not saying Webb is a franchise QB over Ponder, nor can I say that Ponder is a franchise QB over Webb. Both have great skill sets and knowledge of the game. Watching Webb’s post-game press conference, it became clear that though he was a bit nervous speaking, he does know what he is talking about, and each move he makes after the snap is with solid intent and purpose. In the press conference Webb provided analysis of both the offense and defensive plays, and described his actions as a result of the analysis. On the flip side, Ponder seems to spend his time at press conferences answering most questions with the “I gatta keep doing a better job” statement.

    I say, with just a few games left, why not let Webb finish out the season so this coaching staff can see who’s who at QB. Maybe Ponder looks better than Webb in practice but you know what, Kyle Orton supposedly looked better than Tebow in practice too, but look who is winning games in the NFL today.

  10. By Zach on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Ok vikwillwin, let’s take what you just said and flip it around. Ponder is a smart guy who shows flashes of being a great QB. If he has more time to learn the offense, just imagine what he can do. When Tom Brady was drafted the knock on him was that he didn’t have the arm strength. The same is being said about Ponder. Troy Aikman (who wants to have sex with Aaron Rodgers) even compared Ponder to Rodgers. Quiet the compliment in my book, even as someone who hates GB and Rodgers. Webb is great, don’t get me wrong, but some of his throws yesterday were down right ugly too, and he’s been in the NFL for almost 2 full seasons now, and he got to work with the first time this past week. Stick with Ponder, “if we’re not going to give him time to learn how do we know what he could become.”

  11. By purplegoldman on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Well Leslie Frazier, Here’s your oppertunity. Tod Haley was just released as head coach of the Kansas City Chiefs. Hire him as the Offensive Corridinator. Haley was the O corridinator for 4 years with the Rams and guided them to the 4rth best offencein the league and a super bowl that they almost won against the Steelers , they led late into the fourth quarter 24 – 21 but gave up a TD in the final minutes to loose 24 – 27 steelers. Haley would bring stabillity and proven experience to the position which is desperatly needed. Haley would successfuly use all of our talented players and make the proper play calls and selections. Move Mussgrave back to the QB coach position where he belongs as this is all that he has done as a coach in the NFL and it realy shows. This would be a decisive and psitive move by coach Frasier.

  12. By vikingsfan1955 on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    what we should be saying is this is the time see test both qb’s because in my eyes i see no clear advantage for either and webb showed us is a capable starter as well as ponder so open the compition now and lets see who can play best againto test both not one. i see promise in both but now is the time st true first stringers.

  13. By David on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    If they can’t find a way to consistently involve Joe Webb on this team’s offense, it’ll be a true tragedy.

  14. By DRS on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    This team has become a joke and something must be done about it.

    How about a new front office! Get a GM.

  15. By DWang on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    It’s not like we haven’t seen what Webb can do.

    Look at last year, he has one great game against the Eagles and is terrible for the other two.

    What he showed then, and what he showed yesterday is, if he gets to run the ball effectively he can be effective. He has arm strength, but lacks accuracy. Why would you make a guy like that your everyday QB. And don’t give me they need to give him a chance, the Vikings gave him a chance last year and they realized then that he couldn’t make throws (and it showed yesterday) but he could run all over the place. That’s why they wanted him as a wildcat option and receiver, but you can’t run the wildcat consistently and expect it to work and he’s not a decent enough thrower to make his throws in a traditional offense.

  16. By DRS on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Good day to everyone, and may you all find peace among all this gloom.

  17. By Bob on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Frazier should go. 2-11 in the standings. He is not leading this team. Webb should be the QB.

  18. By Bob on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    This team was one game away from the Super Bowl 2 years ago. A lot of the same team except Sydney Rice and Farve are gone.

  19. By John on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Why not let Webb start next week while Ponder heals to 100%? There is absolutely no good reason to pressure Ponder to play injured like he did on Sunday. I do not think he has done anything wrong to lose the starting position long-term, but he certainly shouldn’t risk further injury. Frazier and Ponder should seriously consider taking an extra week off and prepare for the next 10 years instead of the next 60 minutes.

    Not to mention Webb also needs NFL experience to be a better QB for his own future. This is an excellent opportunity for everyone to progress long-term. What’s the difference between 2-12 and 3-11 anyway?

  20. By vikingsfan1955 on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    @dwang So ponder has did what better than webb and has won how many games.Still u say give ponder a chance and not webb. So ponder has played more games than webb already and so tell me why webb should’t get a chance and ponder should.

  21. By SKolHARVIN on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    I agree with John. Give Webb a shot against New Orleans there’s nothing left to lose. if AP is back think about the rushing threat we can have. If Ponder is hurting there’s no use in risking any further injury. I feel it’s about experimentation at this point in the season.

  22. By JoelTheViking on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    I’d like to see Peterson, Webb and the crew take on the Saints this week. We owe them a beating. I also think winning is the best way to build a team.
    I like Ponder but I think Webb should be given an equal chance at the starting position. Every time he goes in I feel like we have a chance to score. I just don’t think he should be out of the picture he’s too gifted.

  23. By Vikings1 on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    I agree with almost all of what is being said about the Vikings, however, it seems with this team always find a way to lose game and sometimes the loses find them. For example when things are going wrong they cannot get a break as in the lack oa face mask call against Webb that could have possibly won the game for us.

    I also know that most of you will agree with me that our secondary is beyond terrible, I will not say in words how bad they are because I cannot come up with any that I could say here. I have one question though and that is who is the secondary coach, he should be the 1st one to be fired!

    HAVE A NICE DAY!

  24. By Rogerthevikefan on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Ponder could not really push off on his throws because of the hip injury. Let him heal so he doesn’t needlessly reinjury his hip. Webb is just a huge arm that can run right now. With proper coaching he could turn that talent into real ability.

  25. By Matthias on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Frazier already said that Ponder will only start if he is healthy.

    @topic: Do you remember Brett Farve’s last season? We just don’t have that much talent anymore like in 09, so I would like to say that our QB’s are doing fine.

    Please don’t compare Webb to Ponder. Both are amazing athletes, but to be fair Webb is more gifted and has a better running-vision. On the other side you have a much more accurate passer in Ponder.

    I wouldn’t start Webb over Ponder, because the other team just has to load the box with 8 men, like they did at the end of last year, to stop Webb.

    I could think of switching them during each half time to irritate the opposing team.

  26. By vikings4life on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Ponder will be the Franchise but if his history is any indication he will be get hurt because of his size and athleletic ability. Time is only going to make Joe Webb better he isnt as intelligent as Ponder and many question if he is smart enough to be a QB but Same was said of Terry Bradshaw and the man won 4 superbowls and lets be honest isnt very intellegent. I think Joe is much smarter then given credit, and he gets football. The last part of that being the most important he gets the game, yea maybe ponder gets what musgrave is trying to do with each play but football is a split second game and in that split second you cannot teach the instinct that takes over. Brett favre, Rothlessberger, and yes tebow among multiple others, Fran for goodness sakes. anyway give Joe 2 more years after this season and I think he will be a Complete QB if given the Back up QB full time and then we will have a good Competition at QB and nothing is Wrong with two good starting QB’s. Bradshaw was awful for 5 years maybe 4 but even his teamates said he didnt know what he was doing and finally after a while it was just instinct and understanding the game and Joe has that. Brett Favre was the first one to say this and back up Joe for being a QB . Ponder isnt as intelligent as people think either honestly i mean how do you throw the same pass 4 times after you’ve been picked of on it twice. He loves that quick corner route that if you dont have a strong enough arm or good enough touch is basically a Pick six. It’s sickening actually sickening

  27. By vikings4life on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    P.S. Anyone see how happy Peterson Was when Joe took it to the House. He was jumping up and Down. Everyone on the vikings LOVES Joe, they all believe in him and Tebow has shown the NFL that when your team believes that no matter what your still in it you can win 11 out of 16 games

  28. By TheRealDon on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Ponder without injuries is a better starting qb than Webb..You guys need to open your eyes..Yes I think they should find way to get Webb on the field more..But Webb is what he is a running qb..If we play against D’s that stop that then what’s next..

  29. By Deertracks on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Thanks, Mike W. for bringing this subject up one more time…I agree with those that state: Let Joe Webb play QB for the Saints Game…or, start Ponder and with the first sign of trouble, pull him and give Webb the reins…

    All the Webb Na-Sayers stay home and peel ‘tators, or wash the dishes…I believe Joe has earned a chance once again to showcase what he can do..I also believe we owe the Saints a thumping..

  30. By Troy on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    I cant believe what I am reading on this blog. Ponder has only started 7 games and Webb has been around for 2 years. I am not saying Ponder is better but for once cant Viking fans just try ONE QUARTERBACK for a full season or two, especially a rookie.

    I see already people wanted to have both of them play, how quickly we forget, we have been down this road before, the back-up coming in during a game always looks better until he starts the next game and the other team figures him out.

    Ponder has look better than McNabb for goodness sakes and you can see hes learning and getting better. Of course he is going to have his ups and downs but lets just play this out.

    Its not Ponder that is our problem, our defense is terrible and painful to watch. They are the worst in the league on 3rd down, thats why we are losing. Focus on problem not Ponder.

  31. By Glenn on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    I believe that Webb should play as a starter for the remaining games.The season is lost anyway, so let’s gve him a chance to prove himself to the coaches as wel as all of us (fans)!!! naddition, we NEED a big name coach! Period. You get what you pay for in life (including a playoff caliber team in the NFL)!!!! Just my humble and frustated opinion. I am losing my faith wth the entire Viking’s organization. Do not be surprised when you hear talk about posible relocation choices inte near future. Go Vikes!
    Glenn

  32. By vikingsfan1955 on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    well said viking4life

  33. By FavreFan4 on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Anybody who says that Webb does not have what it takes to be a qb in the league is dead wrong. The Vikings have only won one game over a team with a .500 or better winning percentage in the past two seasons. That win was not quarterbacked by Favre, T-Jack, Ponder, or McNabb. It was Joe Webb against a very good Eagles team last year. And he didn’t do it by running all over the place. He managed the game and made key completions. If Musgrave leaves Webb in shotgun and does a zone read play, Webb would’ve been responsible for another win over a .500 team. Additionally, Ponder did not outplay Webb in preseason yet was given the number two job. Ponder has been a turnover machine, while Webb came in and made some poor throws, often because of what looked like nerves and not setting his feet, but also showed the ability to spread the ball around to the Vikings playmakers in the West Coast system and make plays with his feet adding another dimension to the Vikings offense. If Webb doesn’t deserve a shot to compete and see playing time at QB in what is a lost season anyway I don’t know what else he could possibly do. Only in MN are we so enthralled over the idea of a first round draft pick becoming the prototypical franchise qb that we say he is the qb of the future after 3 awful picks and say the guy who drove us the length of the field in his only 3 possessions doesn’t deserve a shot to even compete for the job. What a joke.

  34. By Carl K on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Clearly Ponder is not 100% healthy. Why does it have to be all or nothing with Ponder and Webb? Why can’t we give Webb a few more play in the games? Work the two QB in and out. Ride the hot hand (or feet). Don’t let it get to a point where we are “benching” anyone of these young guys. I like what I see in both of these guys. I don’t understand why this coaching staff can’t find a creative way to get Webb more playing time????

  35. By GM on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

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  36. By viking joe on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Activate Caleb King throw him in the mix!!

  37. By Carl K on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Why risk further injury or wreck Ponder’s confidence by starting him just to bench him. We are in a good situation to see what Webb can do.

    LET WEBB PLAY!

  38. By TheRealDon on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Drop Booker and activate Caleb King

  39. By Viking-ology on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    If Ponder is healthy enough he needs to play-he is not going to gain experience but sitting on the bench. It doesn’t matter what our record is, he needs game-time experience.

  40. By Viking-ology on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

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  41. By Viking-ology on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    If the staff wanted to do a few ‘Blazer’ packages to mix up the opponents defense that would be great-that is where Webb would be most effective. He should also be a kickoff return man.

  42. By James on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    release Lorenzo Booker and activate Caleb King and start Joe Webb

  43. By sandiamond on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Vikings-ology…. They both need starts/playing time, is there a solution?

  44. By sandiamond on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Joe Webb doesn’t want to play wide receiver and he is natural at QB just like in college. It is not going to work ‘looking back at the ball’ either as a wr or db. Webb is horrible at running routes so just let the kid play moving the offense forward down the field!

  45. By Carl K on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Viking-ology – This trend of benching Ponder in favor of Webb is not a good way to develop a QB. We have only won 2 games… Why start benching Ponder?

    I am NOT in favor of throwing Ponder to the wolves just to bench him when he struggles. If you are going to use Webb… use him in a way that will get the maxuim development out of both player.

    Yes, it was nice to see Webb step in an play well… but Frazier made the wrong call benching Ponder. Ponder will always be looking over his shoulder now. Starting Joe Webb last game would have been better than benching Ponder. The question is will Frazier make the same mistake 2 weeks in a row?

  46. By Viking-ology on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Yes sandiamond you just said it. Webb would be best utilized as a running back or in a ‘Blazer’ package option. The offense should put him in just enough to keep opponents defense off-kilter, but not enough to disrupt the flow of our offense and Ponder.

  47. By Vikings Football on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    If they start Webb it will give the Vikings an advantage, because there isn’t much film on Webb. Once the teams got film of Ponder they started picking him off. Just my opinion. Go Vikes!

  48. By VikesFanSinceFifties on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Forget the record. I’m excited about next year and I hope the key veterans on thois team are as well. 8 or 9 of their 11 losses by less than 7 points while developing a franchise QB….. Ponder or Webb? What a great problem to have. These guys could be the best 1-2 QB punch in football and it opens up a bunch of options going forward. Harvin seems to be healthy, his migranes behind him, and might be one of the most exciting playmakers in the NFL. I hope they don’t play Peterson this year and give Gerhart and Booker time to develop. Gerhart had 2 near 100 yard games. Our pass rush is great. Secondary needs help and a top 3 draft pick and full complement of picks through the first 5 rounds will help. And then there is free agaency and a full training camp. I can’t wait until 2012.

  49. By Viking-ology on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Carl K-You must be reading the wrong post. I have always been a supporter of Ponder, just read my posts! I also agree, there is a fine line to bench a rookie QB who has been dubbed the “franchise” QB because he was not 100% and not performing to expectations in favor of the “backup”. Ponder needs to play unless he physically can’t.

  50. By Mark on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Look at the real reason Webb ran for that touchdown and it would be because of the breakdown of the offensive line. I think if Ponder was not injured he would have been able to run for it too. Not to take anything away from Webb but it comes down to the line not doing the job. On the defense side we need new cornerbacks. I see college players here at NDSU that could teach them how to defend against the pass. It comes down to either not being smart or just plain lazy. Why aren’t the coaches correcting this? How many times do we have to watch them get burned and then turn around and act like it wasn’t their fault, like someone else should of been there to help. Maybe these guys aren’t coachable.

  51. By purplegoldman on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Listen . Joe Webb was drafted to be a wide reciever, Joe knew it and and the Vikings staff knew it. At some point they tried him out at QB because he played QB and wide Reciever in college. What does Webb do best , He runs fast and is very elusive, Whats missing, Lining him up at WR so he can get the ball in open space and take it to the House. Webb will be at WR position next season.They can still have him throw occasionaly and make big plays by running a reciever reverse pulling up and throwing deep down field. Thats alot more productive and explosive than the obvious wild cat.

  52. By Shawn on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Mike Wobs … I swear I have heard that about Sullivan like 3-4 times and Im pretty sure Mike Mayock was one of the guys to say it. I could be wrong about who and dont mean to put words in Mayocks mouth so …

    If I knew Id have to prove it I would of kept notes to tell you dates … anyway I didnt expect you to pick my questions this week so I have noticed the middle of the line getting push recently in games. Tackles probably the weak spots and I dont know which ones worse

  53. By purplegoldman on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    No way Ponder makes it 65 yards to the end zone. But Ponder is more talented than Webb as a QB , and Webb is more talented as a WR and Runner. Devlop Webb as a WR and there is one of the deep threats we need.

  54. By Shawn on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Fred Jones … Maybe Spielman is the problem. I cant imagine all of the NFL coaches weve had not see how bad some of these players are. Maybe Spielman thinks he mad good picks and that leaves the coaches hung out to dry trying to coach the unqualified Spielman picks?

    Maybe we should be calling for Spielmans job … why does our team have just enough talent to finish last?

  55. By Carl K on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Viking-ology- I know you like Ponder… All I am saying is the trend of benching a rookie franchise QB is not a good trend to start!!!!!! NOT GOOD! Frazier made a big mistake!

  56. By Robb Wagner on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    It’s so frustrating listening to the company line that the media also embraces. Ponder is the franchise he needs to play and develop. Webb was a six round draft choice who was drafted as a receiver.
    How about all of you mindless wonders forget the rhetoric and believe your eyes. Webb is an electric special talent while Ponder is just a bland ok project.
    When Ponder has another of his turnovers the coaches and media say he will learn from that and become better. When Webb misses a receiver it’s because he is not as good a passer as Ponder.
    Get rid of all of those biases if you want to make the right decision, or at least have an open mind and say let’s develop both qbs for now and let the best man be our qb of the future.
    Check the film, in every game Webb has played, regular season and preseason, he has run for a touchdown (except one game). Getting an extra 7 from the qb’s legs would be a huge advantage. 109 running, 84 passing, no turnovers for less than 1/2 game, not bad.

  57. By Carl K on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    The can of worms has been opened.

  58. By Viking-ology on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Screens and RB would be best suited for Webb to get into open space.

  59. By Viking-ology on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Carl K-you are right. By benching him, it could have taken all the confidence he had going into the game. I think that is why Frazier said he benched him because he wasn’t healthy enough, I hope thats the case. Ponder needs to keep playing and let him work through things.

  60. By TITANIUM TITUS on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Robb Wagner is so right– reading the above article, the author, Mike W., too openly shows his crying defense– oh, poor Ponder had an excruciating injury the week before. Favre at 40 had his ankle ripped off and played through it in the NFC game a couple years ago— if Mike wants to make comparisons to the Mannings, let’s keep up the comparisons and keep it real.

    Webb a sixth round pick– hmmmmm. Who else was in that round? Can anyone say Tom Brady?

  61. By TITANIUM TITUS on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Mike W. would be more persuasive if he was not so obvious in trying to fend off the naysayers. Not effective writing when the reader can get so deep in the writer’s head– distracts from the power of the message.

  62. By lavikings on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    I can’t believe Viking fans continue to support Ponder as the starting QB. He has done absolutely nothing as starting QB. All he does is turn the ball over in critical areas of the field. I knew it was a bad idea drafting this guy. He got his spot taken at florida state when they sucked and he deserves to get his spot taken now. Draft Barkley and start over.

  63. By Mike J on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    @ Troy you can’t blame our defense for that loss the played a good game we turned it over six times on offense. The defense showed up to play and this is coming from a fan who hates our defense but I got to give credit where its earned and our defense did its part.

  64. By Viking-ology on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Really Titus! Another diamond in the rough. Snap decisions and quick results satisfy the short term, but do nothing long term. To have a franchise QB, we will need to have a little patience. And this is coming from a 40 year Viking fan! Give Ponder his time to develop!

  65. By lavikings on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    You bring up those QBs in the end but they all won some games in their first season. If you think Ponder is a franchise QB then you clearly should follow another sport.

  66. By CaribooBill on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    It seems to me that, if your starting rookie quarterback hasn’t practised all week, you shouldn’t start him. If you do, you should expect to see sub-par play. If you do, you should modify the game plan to protect him – more running and less passing. More plays that demand less of the QB. I wasn’t able to watch the game, but from what I have seen on the highlights, it doesn’t look like the game plan was adjusted to account for a “nicked up” QB.

    On the Ponder versus Webb issue, I like having the problem. I am impressed with both of them from an athletic and personality point of view. They both look like winners to me. The challenge is how best to use them.

  67. By jv3rnon on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Let Webb be the guy. His arm stronger and its like Percy playin QB. Man you have AP, Percy and Webb on the field that’s a lot of speed and talent to waste. Get Ponder the clipboard!!!

  68. By Viking-ology on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    So if Sage plays QB next week and throws for 400 yards and 4 TD’s then he should be our future QB right? Ponder needs time to develop period. If you want quick results root for Green Bay!

  69. By Troutdaddy on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    So sad to see such chaos in this team right now. People hurt, games lost, QB debates, secondary issues, O-line issues, lack of confidence in coaches, draft debacles, stadium issues… Sheesh, sounds like the makings of a new HBO series. One thing about being a Viking fan is that it is NEVER boring! Despite the issues looming, we have some amazing players who show up each week and battle AND we have a lot to look forward to- including a Great franchise QB in Ponder. Things could be worse. We could be Packer or Cowboys fans….and that dog don’t hunt….

  70. By Viking-ology on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    I am not guaranteeing Ponder’s future success (although I like what I’ve seen so far) but a handful of games to decide to toss him away is absurd. Get a decent secondary and fix the O-line, let him have a FULL YEAR under his belt,then we can discuss Ponder’s chances to succeed as a franchise QB.

  71. By Roninmn.. on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Ponder is our quarterback of the future, just ask Fran Tarkenton. Forget the record, at this point we need to think draft picks. We have way to many areas that need help. Defensive backs, offensive line. Give the kid a chance, remember when he started. Who let the defensive player get around and strip the ball from Chrisian Ponder. Plus when was the last time you played pro football with a hip pointer injury.

  72. By 61vikings on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    There’s no doubt that Ponder is the future, but at some point you need to win some games!! This is a team sport and everyone needs to play well, but in this league it comes down to the QB position!! Webb played well when he was called on late in the third quarter, but the defense played well as well, holding the Lions to 3 points in the second half!! All year, this team has found ways to lose games when the game was on the line!! You know it’s a rough year when the Lions sweep you!! I can’t remember when the last time they swept us!! We need to beat Chicago at home or we will go 0-6 in the division, which we’ve never done!!

  73. By Mike J on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Stop all this talk about Ponder being the higher draft pick because us fans and every football fan was shocked to see Ponder go so high which means w
    he wasn’t suppose to Ho that high. And what proves that Ponder is a better QB then Webb because I obviously haven’t seen it. 1. Ponder is more accurate then Webb I can’t tell with all the turnovers he commits while passing the ball. 2. Ponder is smarter then Webb, this is football not school Ponder isn’t showing he’s smart on the field by throwing the same type of pick three times then trying to throw across his body how smart is that? 3. Webb has a stronger arm and for a backup who just got first team reps he looked better on the field then Ponder. If you had to be smart to play football the NFL would be boring you need talent.

  74. By Woodboat on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    I wish, just once, Mike W would post a message with all the words that aren’t allowed on this site. I tire of proof reading my posts 3 and 4 times trying to decypher what non-curse word is getting hung up.

  75. By Woodboat on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Anyone ever think about this? You know how our DBs are coached to NEVER make a play on the ball? They always seem to wait until the WRs make the catch, then hit them… don’t make a break on the ball, tackle the guy.

    Ponder practices against that all week long, then we wonder why he makes throws that the opposing DBs break on… seems to me he’s being coached to throw interceptions….

  76. By Derrick.G on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    I guess everyone forgot that Ponder threw for nearly 400yds against an amazing Denver defense.

  77. By 61vikings on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    With only 3 games left in the season, I want to see Ponder win at least one game!! He’s looked good in some games, but the bottom line is wins, which he has none under his belt!! He’s had a couple of chances to win some games on the final drive (Green Bay-1st meeting and Denver) but came up short!! Tim Tebow has played poorly in most of his games, at least through the first three quarters, but has found it in himself and his teammates to win the game in the fourth quarter with the game on the line!! He is 7-1 as a starter and our QB is an 0-fer and a no show in the fourth quarter when the games on the line!!

  78. By Mike J on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    If hip pointers effect your running then its worst for a RB AP played his whole rookie season with hip pointers and had a monster year. Ponder played seven games and keep making the same mistakes. He was named our future just because he was a 1st round pick but theirs a lot of first round picks who ends up being a bust what has Ponder come to earn the future tag he’s not winning. Webb was a six round pick so we overlook his talent even after he proves he can play the position he can’t get his chance because he’s fast and also know how to catch. I think we should’ve held a real competition and see who wins. It wad obvious Webb was never a part of the Vikings future because I remember when Frazier got the job during his interview he said he’s gonna use the draft to find his Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, of Mark Sanchaz thats basically saying Joe Webb id not that guy and Frazier you better hope you didn’t find your Sanchaz in Ponder. If Webb can’t get a chance here let him go somewhere else where true competition exist.

  79. By Vikes Blade 25 on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    I’m at a loss here. Is the prevailing process to come to a conclusion, and then find the facts to prove it? Has the Vikings front office decided that Ponder is the QB of the future for the team, and that Webb is the backup?

    We’ve seen what Ponder has done, and can never tell what any QB will do in the future. The notion that we all need to ride it out and hope that he matures into a servicable leader is ridiculous. We could have taken that tact with Chad May! Drafting a QB in the first round doesn’t mean he’s a correct choice. There have been countless first-round busts. In fact, there have been more than 5 times more busts in the past 10 years, than there have been successes.

    Brad Johnson sat behind eight different starters on this team. He left and ended up winning a Super Bowl, albeit not a great QB. The Vikings tend to pick the “fallen fruit” from the ground rather than climb the tree. It gets old.

    In the 51 year history of the franchise, no Vikings head coach has ever been a head coach anywhere prior. We don’t bring in established guys. Three have recently left the Vikings (Dungy, Billick, and Tomlin) and won Super Bowls. This team has a history of flawed choices, no matter who owns it.

    Ponder may be the answer at QB, but why are we wasting time in a dead season to find out? If Webb can play (and indications are that he can), what better time to see it? You can teach skills, but not thought process. Ponder makes too many mental mistakes for a guy in this stage of his NFL development. These aren’t even rookie mistakes. They’re huge flaws. Would any other QB be given this much of a pass?

  80. By 61vikings on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    @ Derrick.G
    Did he win the game?? No, in fact, he was the reason we lost the game!! Quit turning the ball over!! He looked absolutely pathetic against the Lions, contributing 14 points to the Lions defense!! I like Ponder and we all know he’s the future QB for this team, but at some point, you need to step it up and win some games and QUIT TURNING THE BALL OVER!!!!!!!

  81. By PackCat on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    “As a result, many of you have formulated the opinion that Webb should be the starter.”

    Geez…. Are you just now figuring out what most of us knew and expected, the moment Favre announced his retirement???

  82. By TITANIUM TITUS on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Three weeks ago everyone here said Ponder is the next Tarkenton. I really am intrigued how many of these bloggers live life– constantly wavering on every issue and decision based on what is in front of them. Brian Billick has said repeatedly the past two games how impressed he is with Ponder– I have to say, I do not know anywhere near as much as Billick about football. Maybe some of you do– I highly doubt it.

    People– let’s have some common sense and wisdom. Many of the bloggers here seem to think life is an instant microwavable journey– with no ups and downs. Failure is the breeding ground to perfection. I imagine some of you have the false perception that success jumps out of the womb— I can see it now– Tom Brady at age two months throwing accurate spirals.

  83. By 61vikings on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    @ Vikes Blade 25
    Bud Grant won 3 or 4 Grey Cups in Canada as a head coach and Dennis Green was a head coach at Northwestern and Stanford before coming to Minnesota!!
    All in all, I like what your saying!! We need a big time head coach here in Minny!! The job should never be given to you just because your a first round draft choice (12 overall)!! At some point, you need to win to keep your job!!

  84. By 61vikings on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    @ TT
    Ponder is no Tarkenton!!!!! STOP TURNING THE BALL OVER AND WIN SOME GAMES!!! You play to win the game and he has not done that!! Even Webb won a game last year at Philly!! Just win one game!!!! If you don’t win, you don’t belong in the NFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  85. By Matthias on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    There is a difference between having a hip pointer as a QB or as a RB. If the QB isn’t able to use his hip during his throwing-motion he can’t zip the ball the way he likes. You can ignore the pain during running though: AD is just a beast and often ignores pain totally.

  86. By Viking33 on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Frasier did right by pulling Ponder yesterday – it was obvious that Ponder wasn’t working out, whether it was the injury we don’t know for sure. Ponder is the only one that knows why it was not working out for sure. I for one am enjoying this season, far more than last season that is for sure. We played last year in a Fog, this year Ponder has given us a light at the end of the tunnel. It seems that we have our QB in Ponder and I am excited to watch how our team grows around him. We haven’t had our own QB for god knows how long and we want to run him out of town before he really gets a chance??? Rookie QB seasons are painful, but they have the greatest upside if the QB works out. Check out the history on Aikman, Manning, Rivers, Brees, Favre, Marino and Elway. Some were better than others but the one thing all those rookie seasons have in common, it is hard to watch the low points. I am a big fan of Webb, but not of starting over Ponder. If nothing else it proves to us that we have a good back up QB in Webb, which we already knew, and that is not a bad thing to have in this league.

  87. By Canadian Vikes Fan on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    I understand the average fan would want Webb to play because of his success yesterday, and I agree that he is one of the best athletes in the NFL. But I think the reason he has success is because he comes in and catches teams off guard. He beat Philly last year because they had no film or anything on him, and he had success yesterday because the Lions prepared all week for Ponder. I guarantee he does not have the same success when defences have all week to prepare for him.
    For the person asking, people saying Ponder is the franchise QB because he looks like a QB. Name a QB who plays the style of Joe Webb and has won a Superbowl? Ponder is much more of an NFL QB, even more athletic then the average. Keep grooming him. Keep Joe Webb as backup to bring him in anytime for the change of pace with the way he runs around. Anyone who thinks Webb can be a legitimate starter in the league for a long time is fooling themselves

  88. By jer olson on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    be patient they have drafted well and hopefully we get the corner from LSU

  89. By Tom on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    It’s Ponder’s turn at QB when healthy. Chilly let Webb’s chance to be an outstanding QB drip down his leg by bringing in Favre for a second season and trying Webb out at WR. That being said, Webb needs to be on the field. Weather that be in the “Blazer” formation at QB, at RB, or at WR. GET HIM ON THE FIELD!!

  90. By meswant on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    If Ponder is not 100% then start Webb. Our o-line sucks & we all know how dirty the saints play. I really like what Webb is able to do on the field & I if the coaches pay attention then they can use his abilities (like they finally are with Harvin). Very frustrating to watch the mistakes Ponder is making but then what do you expect when the coaches bring in mcuseless. If anything the biggest mistake the Vikings did was to play him instead of Ponder. Other teams started their rookies & they had some success. He would be much further ahead if they started him to begin with.

  91. By kappydog on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Webb is by far a better athlete, this all agree, therefore why say its a stage on developing a quarterback? Ponder is not the “real deal” he is not a Joe webb. I think the concentration needs to go to coaching and not on who will start against New orleans, but why is Leslie Frasier still a MN head coach, he is absolutely terrible, heck is he related to Dendis Green?

  92. By Alex on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    The only difference between Ponder and the Manning’s, Rodgers, and Ryan is that they have a good team from the start. The Vikings have Adrian Peterson, and Percy Harvin on offense. On Defense we have Jared Allen and E.J. Henderson, and Chad Greenway those are our best players on the team. Ponder sucks rotten eggs. I think that it is the best interest for the rest of the season to start Joe Webb. I believe in the Webb and obviously so do other Viking fans. So that being said it needs to happen that way. Yes i have posted on this for a long time and it is like beating a dead horse you guys know my feelings on what needs to happen for us to be a legit Superbowl team for next year so do it and you will see what will happen. GOOOOOOOOOOOOOO VIKINGS.

  93. By Dirty Nasty Legs on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Get rid of Ponder and Webb and get Kurt Warner.

  94. By Dueyz on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Mike,

    Thank you for the information. I don’t envy your position of having to find silver linings in a 2-11 team, and then try to share that with the angry mob of MIN fans on here.

  95. By TITANIUM TITUS on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    @61vikings — READ what I wrote. I never said Ponder was the next Tarkenton. That was not my point.

  96. By TITANIUM TITUS on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    I give up— no wonder Nova left the boards– the level of cognitive maturity here is sorely lacking.

  97. By robb on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    My votes for Ponder but do agree that he should sit this next one out unless it’s totally out of control.Ponder shows the most promise for the future,though Webb looks like he could be developed for a great second.

  98. By jerry on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Lets see have ponder started 8 games but did’t beat any teams thats above .500. Joe webb started 3 games and beat the eagles last year. This year he almost pulled off a miracle againist the Lions. Just because ponder is the first rounder doesnt mean he’s good. Joe webb was the same pick as Tom Brady. QB are the most unpredictable position in the league. TJ Yates, Tim Tebow are 3rd string QBs. Where are they now?

  99. By Zinch on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Bad offensive line protection plus a not 100% healthy rookie quarterback gave us a day with 6 turn overs. Webb played great and was really fun to watch run, but I really don’t see how people can jump to him now as the starting quarterback. He should definitely be used more, I’ve thought this throughout the season. I thought for sure we would see some trendy wildcat formation. We did at the beginning of the season, but I think this wasn’t that productive, thus they quit running it. What would be cooler is to put Webb in the backfield a bit, especially with Ponder in shotgun formation. Snap the ball directly to Webb for a design run with option to pass, run the option with them, give Webb a reverse from the WR position. Not sure if the coaches read these comments (likely not), but try some of this before the season end (you have nothing to lose). In closing, I see Ponder and Webb as complimenting each other and the Viking offense rather than pitted against each other for the “inside the box” one-guy only starting quarterback.

  100. By TOMMYK#9 on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Just my 2 cents. Trying to look at reality. I agree with everyone that wants oline and db revamping. They’re horrible. The qb situation is a ?. Because of oline deficiiency, not sure the best qb’s in the league could do anything with the situation. Ponder looks to be making the same mistakes over and over after showing some signs of potential in earlier games. His fault? I don’t know. Have no problem giving Webb a few starts. At least he can avoid the pass rush. In his last 2 years of college and his pro career combined he has thrown for 18 tds and 40 ints. No, he’s not the qb of the future qb. I would like to see them sign a veteran free agent for the future but preferably under the age of 30. No, not Sage. Sure up the oline and db’s through the draft and free agency. Keep Ponder, cut Sage and try to find a free agent qb as described above. (any suggestions?) Let Webb play the next few games at qb to give Ponder a break and then start working on ways to get Webb on the field more for next year. (not at qb please) Like I said, just my 2 cents. Funny, In my opinion TJack is terrible and I’d take him back right now over what we have.

  101. By Mike B. on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    @Deertracks Sorry bud this game proved that Webb is at best a backup QB. He’s a great talent, but isn’t a starting QB or at least not for the Vikings. I stand by my previous statements, if Webb wants to be a starting QB he will have to ask for a trade. I much rather he be used in the position he is best suited for a very talented wildcat player.

  102. By DrinkHeavyVikingsFans on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Well all I can say, and I say it every week, is that we Vikings fans are sure-fire gluttons for punishment..Week in and week out, the Vikings invent whole new ways to just tear your guts out, and this week’s performance was another one for the record books. C’mon, only the Vikes would give the other team 6 turnovers, spot them 24 points, but end up at the 1 yd line with 9 seconds left with a chance to win the game only to get a no-call on an obvious QB face-mask while the ball is fumbled (not to one of our guys of course) 50 yds backward..3 games to go..I hope our kidneys can hold out..keep em’ cold Vikings fans..

  103. By Mike B. on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    The biggest problem with Webb is and has been he’s to eagar to get out of a problem is to use his feet. It worked for a couple of series then detroit adjusted. He had open receivers that he missed. The last series he should have thrown the ball into the back of the endzone and we would have still had one more play. He tried to make something out of nothing. Starting QBs have the ability to look down field and find open recievers and get the ball down field in the most efficient manner. Ponder does those things. Don’t get me wrong Webb is a great player, but a career backup in my opinion.

  104. By jer olson on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    If Webb played the whole year we would be complaing to. the offense is moving with ponder in there and its the best Harvins looked. There has been such a emphasis on presure with the front four but with the speed and talent at reciever you need to have special players
    in the secondary the d line cant carry a team anymore theres to much passing

  105. By DrinkHeavyVikingsFans on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Guys, its impossible to say one is definitively better than the other. Both Ponder and Webb haven’t had enough experience behind a solid OL and with Musgrave’s playbook to show what they can or can’t do. The trouble is, unlike Denver with Tebow, we ask Ponder and Webb to throw the ball way too often as rookies because our OL sucks so bad and our defense stop the other team from scoring. With no threat of AP, an OL that can’t block, LBs that can’t tackle and DBs that can’t cover, well you end up 2-11. Heck, if Ponder and Webb practice against our defense, it’s no wonder why the aren’t prepared to play against a “real” defense on Sunday afternoon. Let’s see what happens next year before we all push the panic button.

  106. By vikingsfan1955 on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    whats all this garbage about getting a big name coach, lets see who we have had and let go and weren’t big name coaches Belichick, Dungy, and Tomlin, Each of these coaches won Sb and were not big names, So when u say we need a big name coach thats garbage what has happened in Washington and san diago with the big name coaches they acquired.

  107. By vikingsfan1955 on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    dirty nasty legs thats the stupidest post I ever read

  108. By Tim on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Ponder’s in his rookie season he is gonna get a He!! of a lot better give the kid a break.

  109. By rex on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Do you not remember webb started last year and did not throw a touchdown pass in two or three games we cant win to many with him not throwing touchdowns come on people

  110. By kappydog on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Bottom line is this, look at 2 years ago, yes we had Farve, but, what all has changed since then? Rice? yes, Williams yes, but add it all up, we all thought that by getting a great quarterback D McNabb we could be in the hunt. The QB is the key to success in football, if not, you have to have the best defense to compensate. Question, if the Vikes had Blilick or Gruden coaching this year, I bet we would be in the playoff hunt. Frasier cant even have a legitimate conversation at a press conference, he is a clueless. Best thing that could happen is have our ridiculous owners take this club to LA California or something. Then start over, new owners, new coaching.

  111. By SKoL on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Joe Webb canNOT throw the ball, plain and simple.. yes he has great arm strength and is incredibly athletic, but replacing ponder for him would be a stupid decision. the vikings would look exactly like the broncos, and that would be pathetic.

    Ponder is extremely smart and has greater arm strength than everyone gives him credit for. He reminds me alot of brett favre with his gunslinger mentality as of late. But with time he will learn from the mistakes hes been making, and in the years to come he will be a great quarterback.

    With that being said, Joe Webb has talent that should not be wasted! I would like to see him in the slot at WR or maybe a Wildcat package featuring him. If you think about it, peterson and harvin while peppering in webb would make for a very high powered offense

  112. By 61vikings on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    @ TT
    Go join your buddy nova!! Cognitive maturity?? Go to the closet and pull out a pair of gloves and slap yourself in the face!!!

  113. By AmishViking on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    keep it simple:

    As of right now I would say Ponder and Webb are two of the best running Qb’s in the league. Now let’s compare them on playing out of the pocket and the ability to complete a timing pass. End off story Ponder is the better QB. Oh but what about the turnovers….well put them back in the oven because Ponder has just started cooking!

  114. By 61vikings on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    @ 1955
    Belichick was never on the Vikings staff, Brian Billick was our offensive coordinator when the Vikings went 15-1 in 1998!! As for the guy in Washington, he won 2 Superbowls with the Broncos and had John Elway as his QB!! Now he has Rex Grossman!!!! The coaches that are out there, Gruden, Billick, Dungy, Cowher are the guys we’re talking about!! Bring one of them in and I guarantee they bring us a championship!!!

  115. By Johnny on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    @61vikings – You do know that Ponder has won a game right? That one where we led us on a 4th quarter drive on the road to beat Cam Newton? You have stated on here multiple times have Ponder is “ofer”> You’re making yourself look like an idiot with no football IQ. Just payateention….

  116. By gasman on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    I don’t think the Vikes have a good coach. He’s done very little to show me that he knows how to manage a game. The front office is not doing the same good job that they were doing before in the draft and it has hurt. They got scared last year and took Ponder way too early. Could’ve had a player at another key position. Ponder is a reach and not worth the #12 pick of round 1. How about finding a couple of safeties that can play, that would help. As far as Joe Webb goes, I think he’s a good athlete like Percy Harvin but not a franchise QB. This coach needs to be fired, take his old outdated cover 2 defense with him and get somebody who can get it done. He’s not the guy so stop wasting time with him and draft better this year with the #2 or #3 picks in each round. Need to look at trading some good veterans for more draft picks so that both sides of the ball can grow together instead of young on offense and old on defense. Whatever this model is isn’t going to work and now their stuck with Ponder as a wait and see project instead of shuring up other positions and then trying to get a good veteran free agent or top notch rookie in the draft.

  117. By TCHuddle on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Webb should definitely see more time on the field in more than the Blazer Package, but he should not start. His accuracy is worse than T Jack’s, which is saying something. Ponder had a bad game, but has been looking good and improving steadily. There isn’t a QB controvery in Minnesota
    http://www.tchuddle.com/2011/12/no-webb-ponder-controversy-but-webb-should-be-more-involved/

  118. By Gary on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    I say Ponder over Webb any day….I have been a Vikings fan for more than 45 years and Ponder is the best QB I’ve seen sence Fran the man Tarkenton. Give the kid a break after all he is a Rookie. He will be a great QB In time. Ponder will be the future of the Vikings not Joe Webb. Running QB’s will not win you a Superbowl. Passing QB’s win you Superbowls and Webb is not a passer. Give Ponder a year or two and you will see. SKOL Vikings

  119. By Gary on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    If I can remember Fran only won 3 games his Rookie year. Ponder is our future. Just ask Tarkenton….

  120. By Puckertrucker on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    @woodboat:

    Didn’t you see my Blog to M wobby? It doesn’t have to have swear words or profanity, All it takes is a attiitude that Mike W. doesn’t like and if you put his pets down he won’t print your Blog. I critisized Ponder for wanting Tebows Autoghaph and he wouldn’t print my Blog either I had to Email the front office, this is if you don’t play by MW’s rules you won’t get printed.

    The one and only PuckerTrucker!!!!!Skol Fans.

  121. By Puckertrucker on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Now I watched Fraziers presser and he said he didn’t see the face-mask of Webb being pulled. He must have had eyes closed on that play seeing as how itr was the last play of the game. By the Way Aren’t the Referees suppose to be professional refs well as many missed calls they don’t make it’s like they hate certain clubs and go out of their way to miss calls or call bad penalties epecially on the Vikes and clubs that aren’t Greenbay, Steelers, Saints,or the refs favorites. lets face it I’ve called the NFL many times to complain about the way games are called and I get no change in their Penalties. What the Fans need to do is take it to the NFL owners and force them to Make the NFL change the way they call games so they are more fair and stop using tire old Business men to work the games witjh the head refs.

  122. By Puckertrucker on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    To The Viking Fans:

    Now I watched Fraziers presser and he said he didn’t see the face-mask of Webb being pulled. He must have had eyes closed on that play seeing as how it was the last play of the game. By the Way Aren’t the Referees suppose to be professional refs, well as many missed calls they don’t make it’s like they hate certain clubs and go out of their way to miss calls, or call bad penalties epecially on the Vikes and clubs that aren’t Greenbay, Steelers, Saints,or the refs favorites. lets face it I’ve called the NFL Office many times to complain about the way games are called and I get no change in their Penalties. What the Fans need to do is take it to the NFL owners and ASK them to Make the NFL change the way they call games so the games are called more fairly and stop using tired old Business men to work the games with the head refs. I don’t believe that they use all professional men at games and that they use tired old business men as side judges and line refs. and then they use one pro head Referee. so if your an away team your club gets the bad calls and the home club gets the favorite calls for themselves.
    By the way I redid this blog from the one above it because of typing errors.

    The one and only PuckerTrucker!!!!!!!Skol Fans.

  123. By kyle on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Look this biggest problem with the vikings is simple, the secondary even when favre was here blows, secondly the next problem is the talent level at wr. We need to draft blackmon put web at wr, leave ponder in there he is smart(valueable in the nfl) deadly accurate and has the foot work. Web is a rb, wr who is not being used properly we need talent at wr. Thirdly the entire coaching staff sucks, Zigi needs to hand pink slips out and get some talent coordinators from defensive coordinator all the way to frazier.

  124. By Frederick Jones on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    @Shawn,

    They ARE calling Spielman the General Manager.

    I wouldn’t feel to sorry for these guys. After the Vikings fire him, he’ll
    probably wind up as athletic director at Ilinois South College (or words to that effect).

  125. By Frederick Jones on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    HIRE A GENERAL MANAGER OR FIRE SPIELMAN!!!

  126. By Frederick Jones on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    @Derrick,

    To get any of that done THE VIKINGS must HIRE A GENERAL MANAGER AND/OR FIRE SPIELMAN!

    THE CURRENT EXECUTIVE BRANCH OF THE vikings HAVE SHOWN THEY CANNOT GET IT DONE WHEN IT COMES TO THE DRAFT, TRADES, FREE AGENTS, AND PERHAPS IN HIRING COACHES AS WELL!

    GIT R’ DONE BOYS!!!

  127. By Frederick Jones on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    @KYLE, and company,

    JOE CAN THROW!!!

  128. By Frederick Jones on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    @Shawn,

    Keep blasting these dudes!

    You may have hit on it. If Spielman is the acting GM, then he probably deserves the blame anyway. Just like Matt Millan of the Detroit City Lions in recent yester year!!!

    HIRE A GENERAL MANAGER AND GET RID OF SPIELMAN!!!

  129. By BlazerViking on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    Someone above said with Webb at QB we’d look like the Broncos…..Really? And, that’s bad?? Inserting Tebow he’s like 8-1 as a starter now you do realize that right???

    If the Vikings don’t find a way to get Webb on the field I’m afraid other teams that see what MOST OF US SEE are going to make a deal to make a trade. Webb’s a better QB–I’m sorry we spent all that money on Ponder, I really am. Sit Ponder, and tell Joe the remainder of the season is his QB tryout. What’s the worse that can happen? IDK, maybe get better draft order to add more talent next season in areas we really need it…is that too much to ask?

  130. By Frederick Jones on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    I think some of the scouts may need to hang it up as well. After 86 years of football it may be that the game has passed them by!

    HIRE A GENERAL MANAGER AND GET RID OF SPIELMAN!!!

  131. By Frederick Jones on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    @BlazerViking,

    Man Joe Webb was fun to watch wasn’t he?

    One of the broadcasters said that with Adrian Peterson and Joe Webb in the backfield, who needs to pass!!!

    Given time, I believe JOE can learn the position and be a great quarterback.
    Has anyone ever asked Joe Webb what HE prefers???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????//

  132. By Frederick Jones on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    :) :) :) :) :)

  133. By CanadianVF on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    Yes lets give Webb another chance to see if he can develop. Lets spend the next two years or so to see if he will develop into a starting quarterback because he is so athletic and can jump over things and has such a strong arm. I drove through a blinding snowstorm for seven hours to go and watch Webb at the controls in Detroit when the roof caved in and they had to move the game. All I can say is that will be a day and a night in my life that I will never get back. I said it yesterday and I will say it again the spit second decision making on where to deliver the ball is a gift and some quarterbacks can do it and some cannot. Webb in my opinion will never be a starting quarterback anywhere because he cannot make up his mind where to deliver the ball and he constantly pulls the ball down and starts to run with it. Franchise quarterbacks like Manning, Brady, etc. do not have this problem. Lets spend the next two years seeing if Frazier can be a head coach or if our offensive and defensive coordinators can get it done. You know where we will be in two years right where we are now at the bottom of the league. Why go out and get a coach with a proven track record like Steve Fisher or Bill Cowher ? Why would we develop Ponder into a franchise quarterback for the next 10 to 15 years when we can keep jumping from one flavour of the day to another. Its all about what we are feeling today. Maybe instead focusing on the daily grind constantly we should get a plan and think big picture. Ponder is the future and these days players like him and Harvin, Rudolph, A P, Gerhart are the only thing that keeps me interested.

  134. By Eric O on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    So it sounds like a good idea to start Webb and let Ponder heal and see what we have in Webb, but what if Webb plays a great game and wins. Sure that sounds awesome and all. But in the sports world the best and worst quality of decision makers is their short memory and lack of foresight. In other words, “what have you done for me lately?” If Webb plays great, then everyone including the coaching staff will insist he plays again and again and will become the front runner in the preseason in most peoples mind. Ponder is the better quarterback, he has the better up side and I would rather take Ponder’s accuracy over Webb’s arm when we have Harvin who can make big plays and if we use our early draft picks we earned, end up with more playmakers. Webb can be used in so many other ways but starting QB is not one of them, especially with the Vikings as we have found our guy. I can see Ponder and our hopefully improved secondary getting us to contention as soon as next year.

  135. By DuaneN on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    Now things are back to normal. Just not Vikings football without part of the fan base screaming for the back up.

    Please let Webb figure out how to throw so the Vikings can win the Super Bowl.

  136. By Alan on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    im a huge viking fan and they need some corners and give percy some help the new sidney rice doing good…lol just need one more wide out

  137. By 61vikings on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    @ Johnny
    Your right little Johnny boy!! You mean the Carolina game where there kicker missed a chip shot field goal to win the game!! We’ll give Ponder half a win for that one!! My football IQ let me down!!! It was such a great victory, I believe it was our second one!! We’ve lost so many, I just lost count and couldn’t remember who our QB was for that “Classic”!!!!

  138. By Jon on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    Joe Webb should be your quarterback. You guys are still nuts. Go Blazers.

  139. By morgan on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    For all those comments stating that Webb has been in the league 2 years and has not developed…..that’s nonsense. Does not matter how long you been in the league if you don’t get 1st team reps and starts. Above poster made a great point in that Webb is the only QB to lead a victory over a plus 500 team. I seem to remember a 3rd and long in that Eagles game when he made a great throw to Harvin over the middle as the pocket collapsed. Sure, he made some bad throws last weekend but he has not had ANY significant playing time for a year. Get a clue people he needs time/experience. WEBB DESERVES BETTER THAN WHAT HE HAS BEEN GIVEN. We will loose him if we don’t wake up. Just sayin

  140. By anothervikingsfan on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    Anyone saying Webb should be number 1 needs to watch his presser, he didn’t even know he was facemasked because he was too freaked out about what was going on with the play. Is that who you want starting, somebody who can’t concentrate on the task at hand in the big moment? He is an excellent backup QB that can actually gives you a chance if the starter goes down, enjoyed watching his performance on Sunday, and will anytime his number is called but for now Ponder is the number 1 QB and should be given time to learn. I am glad none of you are the coaches.

  141. By morgan on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    He did put us into a possible win situation…..bringing us back from the brink of being blown out. Him and our defense. Ponder has been a turnover machine.

  142. By thenaj17 on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    ”By Bob on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    This team was one game away from the Super Bowl 2 years ago. A lot of the same team except Sydney Rice and Farve are gone.”

    Plus, Ray Edwards, Pat Williams, Cedric Griffin bad injuries, Winfield bad injuries, Kevin Williams decline, Berrian no longer productive so was cut. Quite a lot of changes in the players since that Saints game and i’m sure there are a few more i’ve not mentioned.

  143. By rcoldfett on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    Hay Webb go to the colts, thy need a good QB. mannings falling apart.

  144. By jeremy on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    I agree w/ vikingsfan1955~ That dirtynastylegs’ post was off kilter in a major way~ I don’t recall Belichek on the Vikes’ payroll~ I wonder if we can get Studwell to take over the scouting duties????? Spielman should go, or somethin~ I agree~ GET A GENERAL MANAGER~

  145. By jeremy on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    Having coaches that can discipline players, as well as having more disciplined players can be extremely beneficial. I can’t emphasize this enough~ Until then…….. Well, I don’t know~

  146. By Mullet on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    First mistake throwing a rookie QB in the game. Ponder was never gonna succeed this year, of course he was gonna make mistakes. You can argue that he needs to play to learn but what if alls he’s learning is bad habits. How long did Rodgers sit on the bench behind Favre? The Pack knew they were going with Rodgers so they kept him on the bench and let him learn. If we we’re so sure Ponder is our franchise QB he should have sat all year. In games and in press conferences he looks like a puppy who just peed on the floor, knows he did something wrong but not sure what he’s supposed to do about it. But this all goes without saying our o-line has been garbage all year, can’t expect any QB to develop/succeed under that kind of pressure.

  147. By Nevada Viking Fan on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    We need to let Ponder develop. Heck when Favre started his carreer he did the same throw interseptions. Ponder will be a great QB, just has to develop. The lockout did not help, 2012 Ponder will get lots of training and practice. Our week point is defensive backs. Vikings need to draft defensive backs and build the defense. Allen and Greenway can’t do it all.

  148. By barbara on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    i agree, they need to find a way to get joe on the field more…you know we use the 2 running back system, why not use a 2 quarterback system?

    and, i want to say…please lets keep sage this time, he is a great help to both guys…, and i do believe he will be able to step in when needed, also he does not mind being a backup, and helping…

  149. By Rush on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    So we took Ponder cuz of his football IQ What part of football IQ says throw the ball across your body an across the middle of the field, to be picked off, that is QBing 101, even I know u can’t do that in this league!! He is digressing just like the vikings getting worse every week!! You all watch the rams over the last couple yrs great young QB, what has that amounted too??? get use to this viking fans this team will finish 3-4th in this division for yrs to come!!! Oh an how much will Breeze throw for this sunday good god!! he might have 5500 yards by the end of this game!!! It is kinda hard to have interceptions when your DB’s are 5 yrds behind every receiver!!! it is a shame we don’t have 5-6 first round picks cuz that is what we r going to need to fix this wreck!!!

  150. By DFish on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    @anothervikingsfan .. I dont think he knew of the face mask because he was focused on trying to make a play… besides do you ever watch Ponder’s post games? “I gatta keep doing a better job” “I gatta keep doing a better job” “I gatta keep doing a better job” “I gatta keep doing a better job” “I gatta keep doing a better job” That’s all he has to say… He can’t ever provide any specific things he learned all he says is “I gatta keep doing a better job”.. how do you keep doing a better job? Maybe “try to do a better job”, that would make sense.

  151. By TykeVike on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    Your and idiot Rush. Didnt you read the articlce Mike wrote??? Your one of the ones that would have voted to throw out the manning brothers, Rogers, and Ryan aftrer a few games. Again I say your and “I D I O T”. Another QB too look at as an example is the infamous TEBOW! What if the Broncos had jetisined him last season? Granted – Ponder will need to work hard this off season to improve his mistakes, and learn the NFL quarterback way, but he has shown sparks of brilliance. As a rookie he deserves some time to improve.

    On another point, I think that the coaches should consider evaluating Webb for his ability to play corner or safety. We desperately need athletes at those positions, and he has the quickness and athleticism to make the transition.

  152. By Canterbury on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    We had the chance to hire Grudin or Cowher at the first of the year but didnt. We had the chance to bring in a couple of high calibur WRs for McNabb but didnt. We had the chance to improve our weak secondary but didnt. Now, the Viking owner has stated that our loosing coach, that came from a loosing coaching staff, will be back next year! It looks to me that management does not want to win games. Looks like they will field a loosing team in hopes of ticket sales falling so they can move the team to any town that will build them a billion dollar stadium.

  153. By Canterbury on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    Also, Viking management owes us fans a Super Bowl! They need to stop polishing their pennies and open up the wallet and bring in experienced players that can win. We havent been to the Super Bowl since 1976! There were two seasons we should have went with Cunningham and Favre at the helms. I for one do not have the patience to develop a new QB for years! Ponder is just another Tavaris Jackson. No thank you! Leslie Frazier couldnt coach a pee wee league team! Get rid of Frazier and put developing Ponder on the second string. Go out and find 5 300+ pound linemen and spend some money on the secondary. Bring back Randy Moss. Bring in an experienced QB for a starter. Let me coach and I’ll win a Super Bowl!

  154. By VikingForLife on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    Canterbury, all you wanrt is a Superbowl, you have not idea what developing even means. I say we should alternate Webb and Ponder. What do we have to loose? Some will say that the NFL is too complicated to do it but im not so sure? I know its been done in college a few times with some success. This would give both Webb and Ponder a chance to develop simultaneously. then, with them playing in the same games, against the same conpetition, the same supporting players, same this and same that…………….one of them should shine above the other?

  155. By Al on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    The Vikings front office and coach HC are in a catch-22. This came about when they reached at pick 12 of the first round for young Ponder. And now the general thinking is they must play Ponder or their football judgement is called into question. We don’t have to look at Ponder’s play to judge front office and coaching knowledge; we only have to look at TWO wins and 11 loses to gauge that. Even after drafting Ponder they should have started Joe Webb, a QB that is Vick-like and a threat with his legs like no other. Guys like Webb, Newton and Vick can bail out weak offensive lines, which the Vikings certainly have. Now, is Ponder a good young talent, no doubt about it, I like the kid a lot. But Webb would be my guy, just the threat of his feet alone gives defenses headaches…he gives the Vikings a better chance of winning at the moment

  156. By vikings4seven on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    Funny how everyone wants to give ponder all this time to develop and let him make all these mistakes in between a 15 yard run for his life or a wide open jenkins etc. Webb has never been given his fair shake. Webb is such a threat on every play. Yes he is far from perfect but he only needs to be better than ponder to QB this team. And he is at this point. He is doing us no good standing on the sidelines every game. He is not an every down reciever, he is not a RB, if he is not a QB on this team getting significant playing time what exactly do we expect from him. Get it figured out for his sake.

  157. By alex on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    I agree with this article as well. when ponder had more than 2 seconds he has shown that he can make good plays. I dont know why nobody on the vikings will address the horrible line we have. Fraizer said ponder needs to get rid of it quicker….. UMMM that fumble on the first play ponder barely finished his dropback. so yeah give ponder time and get an OLINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  158. By Lars on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    I looked up Troy Aikman’s stats… he had 20 TDs and 36 INTs in his first two years. I don’t know if Ponder is the hope of the franchise, but we need to give him another year before making any judgements.

  159. By Jim on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    Like I said 8 week a go, PONDER is NOT ARE QB for this team. WEBB is the QB we need. He is just a all round better, bigger,faster, BIG ARM ect. NEED I SAY MORE?? PONDER SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!

  160. By alex on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    Also stop saying webb has not been given a chance. he finished out our year last year. im sure The coaches saw what everyone else did. HE CANT THROW. he can only run. like tebow it works for awhile but eventually teams will figure it out and he wont be worth it. Look at cam newton yeah he did well for awhile but look at their record.

  161. By jcdogg on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    Clowns, all you joe webb supporters, did you see his stats in his last year in college 8 tds 21 interceptions, were as Ponder 20 TDs and 8 picks and was injured in the beginning of the season. So get off the kid, he is going to do great things for this team……all you nut bags that say bench him…what lets go get Peyton Manning next year…just a stupid comment (bench him). Let him learn his limitations while we are 2-11 instead of in a playoff hunt. All those teams with Rookie QBs will find out why letting them sit a year is better, because they will show there experience in the playoffs. Webb will do this team proud by being the #1 WR. Great speed, height and size. He has the same dimensions of Calvin Johnson, did Detroit get rid of Stafford after he had two bad seasons. Did they replace him with Calvin Johnson? Stafford had a horrible first year and they got better his second year, and now they are posed to make a playoff run. (Stafford 13tds 20 int) Because Webb had a good half, don’t make the mistake in thinking he was the savior. Don’t forget Webb came out and played out of his mind against the eagles then he couldn’t beat a banged up Detroit Lions team, he didn’t even score a touch down. Watch the game film. Oh yeah, he throw a crucial pick in the first half negating a turnover. So don’t give me this line he is better, keep the kid in and let him work out his bugs. He might surprise everyone and have a error free game and his confidence will be exponentially rise. Quick straddling the fence, stick with the kid and give him your support.

  162. By jcdogg on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    Don’t forget fence riders, we have the toughest schedule in football. Every team we have played are sitting in the playoff picture. Denver, Oakland, GB, Detroit, Atlanta, NO. The one team that wasn’t we beat (Carolina). So if you expect a rookie quarterback to beat that list of teams, you are insane. Don’t forget, he played all those teams very well. 11 Touchdowns in 7 games, that means he would have thrown at least 20 to 30, had he started from Day one. So put things in perspective. 2-11, he is fortunate to be able to focus on development and not the stress of making the playoff run. Yeah, he may throw more picks, but he will learn, he has to fix the mindset and confidence he had at FSU, to match the pros. It will happen. Webb has proven both in games and preseason, that he is not a QB. Stop thinking that one half is a career maker. All of you Ponder haters were sitting here four weeks ago, saying yahoo….we have our QB……the franchise is saved…..Great job Vikings on your draft. Every analyst says the same thing about Ponder (those professional athletes and coaches that played the game, how he is going to be a strong QB in the future) but I guess you armchair superheros know it all. Why didn’t you lobby for Jared Allen to be traded after going 3 games without a sack. How about trade AP cause he only ran for 80 yards one game. Or, Percy is horrible cause he is always hurt. You all make me sick.

    FRAZIER YOU ARE DOING IN CORRECTLY, GIVE THE KID HIS TIME AND YOU WILL BE REWARDED LIKE DETROIT, BALTIMORE, ATLANTA, NO AND GREENBAY.

  163. By vikemike on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    I would like to see Minnesota trade their #2 pick and Ponder to Indy for Luck. That way the Colts can keep Manning and let their QB of the future(Ponder) learn for 3-4 years. Minnesota could then be very aggresive in free agency(WR,S,CB) and go after O-line and DBs in the draft. Minnesota is more then one good off-season away from being a .500 team.

  164. By vikemike on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    #2 overall pick

  165. By deucalion33 on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    if frazier is smart he will make this a competition who cares if ponder loses confidence this is big boy football this is a business and the vikes are in the business of winning not feelings ponder better suck it up

  166. By jcdogg on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    Oh, if you are worried about size, he is just as tall as Rodgers, Taller then Brees and faster then both. Oh, I forgot this is Minnesota the–Do it now, or else we don’t give a —-. Farve was an anomaly, it took Brees three years to get NO to the SuperBowl, Rodgers took Four…Suit up for the long haul, not the quick fix. To be honest it doesn’t matter if we win another game, what we need to do is play our prospects and get a glimpse of our future.

    I CAN’T STRESS ENOUGH—PUT WEBB AT WR, IF HE IS AS GOOD AS I THINK, HE WILL ADDRESS OUR NEED AT THAT POSITION—BUILD THE “D” AND THE O-LINE. OUR PLAYMAKERS WOULD THEN BE–PONDER-AP-HARVIN-RUDOLPH-WEBB-GARHARDT-ALLEN-WILLIAMS-GREENWAY-ROOKIE-ROOKIE-FREE AGENT-SUPRISE PICK (MOSS).

  167. By jcdogg on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    VIKEMIKE-you are assuming that Luck will pan out-you again will have to go through his growing pains for another year of ??-10+. He is not going to come out of College and play like Brees or Rogers. No one has to date. Even the great Cam Newton has only 4 wins. The only QB to be mildly successful is Dalton and that is due to a very week schedule, all 7 wins are to teams that are below 500. So just support the kid. Once he gets into sync with the team he will be killing people. Watch Luck be a flop.
    Deucalion33-The competition happened already, Webb lost, you can’t flip-Flop that position, just ask chicago and Washington, it doesn’t work. People are People no matter their job, they lose confidence if they feel they are not doing their best–what if your boss told you hey-were firing you because Sam had one good afternoon–what would your confidence level be at your job or skill. Don’t mistake that fact that people play football are above the normal psyche..just a ridiculous comment.

  168. By jcdogg on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    Thank you PURPLEGOLDMAN, KEEP WEBB ON THE FIELD WERE HE CAN DO THE MOST DAMAGE.

  169. By jcdogg on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    The problem with Ponder is that he set the expectations of performance to high for you couch batmen…..He almost beat the world champs so you all thought he was going to rip through the league like Tom Brady. Well guess what nincompoops -QBs have good days and bad days–Did you see NE meltdown, it happens. Had he come in and did average you all would be like, wellllll is this they guy??? Well he is and get used to it, because every time he lights someone up, I will send a message saying…Dahhhhhhhh. Starting with NO. This answers the question on why it is so difficult for us to have a world class organization like Dallas, the Giants, and SF. If they needed a field, they wouldn’t hesitate to build it, but you fair weather clowns, want to loose this franchise because you are to fair weather to do what is in the best interest of the state and our team. Build the stadium like we did with the Target Field and give the Vikings a World Class facility—-maybe we could actually have the Super Bowl here—-not if dumb— minnesotans have any say–you all are cheap losers and the team reflects that……..Wilf is trying but why fight with you losers.

  170. By TCHuddle on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    Webb needs to see the field more. The Vikings found a way to get Harvin more touches and he’s beginning to dominate. They need to find how to get Webb more touches. http://www.tchuddle.com/2011/12/no-webb-ponder-controversy-but-webb-should-be-more-involved/

  171. By CanadianVF on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    @ jcdogg, Man you are on fire ! I have to say I agree with just about everything you said, good job ! @ Rush, I think I remember one of the greatest quarterbacks who ever stepped on a football field, throwing across his body and across the field and it cost us a trip to the Super Bowl a couple of years ago. I think it was down in New Orleans if memory serves me correct.

  172. By Regfan on Dec 14, 2011 | Reply

    Any QB would lose confidence behind a line that offers no protection,that includes T.J.,Webb,and Ponder…but look how well T.J. does with the Seahawks

  173. By jcdogg on Dec 14, 2011 | Reply

    REGFAN-TJ in Seattle–they suck, 6-7 and his Avg yds per game at 150. Not NFL caliber. CanadianVF, Thanks, I am tired of hearing people second guess every last move made by our team. Let this group work out some things and see what happens next year. We have lost by less then 7 points in most games besides 2 (chicago and greenbay). Otherwise we have been competitive. Build around our Rookie. He is going to be spectacular. I hope he lights up a very beatable NO. Their pass defense is third worst. Funny the worst three pass defenses are the three of the top teams in the NFL…..HMMMMMMM

  174. By chon69 on Dec 14, 2011 | Reply

    Let Ponder hear my foot. Those interceptions and bad decisions don’t come from injuries. He is making rookie mistakes and last time I checked Joe Webb finished the season for us and some idiot in the Vikings organization decided to go after a quarterback in the draft when clearly our defense was lacking. Some of you have short sightedness and a lack of understanding for the game just like the organization. We should have just developed Webb for this and dealt with defensive concerns. Have any of you looked at our defensive ranking. All I see is a bunch of people throwing out ridiculous ideas about Ponder, firing the coach and picking up yet another washed up QB. Ponder is not ready flat out and he is showing it by his play. Webb came in and completely out played him with little practice time under center. Last time I saw he was leading us to wins at the end of last season or at least making it close. We can’t fire Frazier because the organization would then be paying for three coaches; Childress, Frazier and whoever the new coach is. The structure of a team starts in the front office. If you fire anyone fire Spielman and company. They new this team was headed for a down side at least two years ago and have done nothing but hire 3rd string talent. Wake up Vikings fans! Some of you are starting to sound just like the organization you are criticizing.

  175. By chon69 on Dec 14, 2011 | Reply

    That’s let Ponder heal! Sorry!

  176. By jcdogg on Dec 14, 2011 | Reply

    chon69, really, you are commenting on others knowledge of football. Webb finished the season last year as he was blown out by a not good Detroit. He sucked in the preseason and the coaching staff realized that they should have kept him at WR and he would have blossomed. As professional coaches they know who is a prospect and who is never going to achieve stardom. No Rookie is ready to lead a team to the playoffs–which active rookie QB took their team to the playoffs their first year–sanchez maybe, but it was more on the back of the defense and they eventually lost. Rogers, Brady, Rivers, Brees, all took time to develop and they are all winning QBs that didn’t start out so great. Good thing you are not a coach, otherwise there would be no hall of fame QBs, you would have cut them all for 2nd string QBs because they had a good half. It would be interesting to see what you said when Ponder played his first 3 games. I am sure you jumped on that Bandwagon. It seems you are that type of critic. Webb made that same throw last year at Detroit, while the Vikings were in the Red Zone and that final drive, Webb almost threw an interception three times, did you watch the game sober?

  177. By 61vikings on Dec 14, 2011 | Reply

    This team isn’t going anywhere this year, so let Joe Webb play the last three games, if he wins all three, then there’s no doubt he should be your QB going forward, because after all, winning is what your trying to do here!! If he wins one or two of the last three games, then you will have a QB competition, going into next year!! If he loses all three, then once and for all, you need to move him to another position, say WR or H-back and make Sage Rosenfels your backup and Webb as your emergency QB!!

  178. By jcdogg on Dec 14, 2011 | Reply

    61vikings, it is always a competition, but you must have consistency. You give up on your players and they will give up on you. When the season starts the team has to know where they stand. You must make a decision to use a nucleus of players to win. If that doesn’t pan out you have to move on the next season and build from your last year. If you have a QB shuffle then you will never win. There must be a starter…Look at Washington, no starter—horrible season. Tennessee–same thing. All the teams that have great success for numerous years have an starter that they groomed. Be patient. I know you must eat only at McDonalds because the wait for cooking food must kill you.

  179. By jeremy on Dec 14, 2011 | Reply

    @kappydog, Ca? Are you crazy?

  180. By fkj74 on Dec 14, 2011 | Reply

    Ponder has potiential! Let it play out, but Webb needs to be getting some regular touches. Trying to defend against AP, Harvin, and Webb will be nightmare for any team’s defense. Go Vikes!

  181. By Randy on Dec 14, 2011 | Reply

    I agree with the fact that a starting QB is going to make lots of mistakes his first year, and that you don’t pull him out for that reason, especially when you’re 2-11. You continue to play him and develope him. But as I said way back in August and I posted my comments on this website back in August if there is someway that you can go back and check my comments, I don’t understand why that QB that you continue to be patient with, and continue to develope even though he makes lots of mistakes isn’t Joe Webb. After the 4 exibition games inwhich both Ponder and Webb got to show their stuff, it was pretty close competion, but I gave a slight edge to Webb. I thought he move the ball down the field more consistently then Ponder in those exibition games, and he played in those exibition games with a lot of back up players, not starters, whereas Ponder got to play in those exibition games with the starters and so he should have done better, but I didn’t think he did. You can also see from my comments on this website back in August that I begged the Vikiings not to pick up McNabb. I said he’s a loser and if they get him they will have a losing season. I said don’t do it. Don’t pick up McNabb. Back in August I wanted the Vikings to make Webb their starter because I thought he earned it. I know he has a lot of developing to do, and he’s going to make a lot of mistakes, but you keep him in there because he clearly earned the right to be the starter by what I saw in those exibition games. Don’t get me wrong. Even though Ponder had a very bad game last week, I can see that he is developing, and improving in certain areas from when they first started playing him. But look at what Webb did last week when he came off the bench. Sure, I saw some things that he did wrong, things that Ponder could do better. But Ponder has been developing and improving over a number of games. Think about where Webb would be right now, if they would have took my advise back in August and started him. I believe the Vikings would be something like 7-6 or maybe 6-7, but they would be developing a QB that I believe is going to be very good one day. Based on the way the Vikings do things, and the decisions they make I would like to make a prediction. The Vikings will contine to leave Webb on the bench, but every once in awhile he will get to play and he will show what he’s got, and some other teams will eventually be interested in him, and the Vikings will trade him away to get a pretty good player at another position, and that pretty good player at another postition will help the Vikings to a degree. But JOE WEBB will go on to have a very successful career with another team as an elite QB, and Viking fans will wonder why we ever traded him away. Before you laugh and say who is this nut who is typing this stuff, remember how many times I’ve been right so far. Just think where Webb would be, if he had 13 games under his belt today.

  182. By ursus on Dec 14, 2011 | Reply

    Ponder will be fine—–he’s a ROOKIE with virtually no training camp due to lockout, new coordinators, limited talent in the receiving core, questionable offensive line, and he likely wasn’t healthy last game. Just because a qb throws a pick doesn’t always mean it’s his fault either—–in a timed passing game a receiver in the wrong route can make a big difference. He must get better and will, but it takes time. As much as I like Webb, he’s not going to be a better qb as much as some people want him to be. Yeah, he had a good game and almost brought us back against Detroit——but they also weren’t defensively prepared for his style of game, as they were likely not expecting him to play. In the long run, a quality NFL qb must be more than a good athlete.

  183. By Ray on Dec 14, 2011 | Reply

    Why is Jake Locker Given a chance to play in the NFL and not Joe Webb

  184. By inogold on Dec 14, 2011 | Reply

    Message to Joe Webb: What the Vikings are telling you is that Ponder is their guy and you are NOT going to get the opportunity to become a starting quarterback in the NFL via this organization. Joe: Get out of Minnesota!!! Go to a team that will give you a chance. Go to a team that WILL give you the reps you need to develop your skills. You have something special Joe, and this team does not deserve to have you on their roster. All NFL fans should have the ability to watch you as a mature, developed, fully skilled NFL quarterback down the road – and that will be fun to watch – and that will never happen in a Vikings uniform. So Joe…get outta MN fast!

  185. By jeremy on Dec 14, 2011 | Reply

    Thanks Randy!!! I like what you said. That’s kind of how I feel, too~ I was so hoping before the Ponder-p/u that Webb was going to be our guy. Well, I guess I was wishing in one hand and all that fun stuff~….Again~

  186. By jcdogg on Dec 14, 2011 | Reply

    @jeremy and Randy, You have it, you are the next GM. You are a clairvoyant genius. Don’t you realize that Percy’s stats have went through the roof since Ponder started. His stats essentially quadrupled since Ponder has been the starter. Did you see Webb’s near picks during that final drive. He sure was trying to throw that game away. And do you not remember when Detroit killed us last year under his leadership. He is a player not a leader. He needs to make plays for the team because he will never be a leader like Percy, AP or Hutch. Ponder is a leader and a winner. That will surface soon.

  187. By jeremy on Dec 15, 2011 | Reply

    @jcdogg~ I’ll be still waiting. I don’t expect overnight miracles. I never have~ I do hope that Ponder can get the blocking help to be more effective. If, that’ll ever happen~ Yes, I have noticed that Webb plays more out of instinct, too~

  188. By jeremy on Dec 15, 2011 | Reply

    Does anyone know where Jeff Dugan went? I kind of miss that cat~

  189. By jeremy on Dec 15, 2011 | Reply

    and Ben Leber~

  190. By SmileyStar on Dec 15, 2011 | Reply

    I have to say the Vikings make a very poor argument on why Ponder is the starter over Webb. Webb had played all of 3 games last season with a record of 1W/3L. Ponder has played all of 6 games this season with a record of 1W/7L. Plus, Webb scrambling makes sense when you have an offensive line that blocks like ours.

    Using Joe Webb as a WR makes about as much sense as making Harvin a RB.

  191. By YoBubba on Dec 15, 2011 | Reply

    I think Ponder is the guy. We do need to give him a season or 2 as our starter. A lot of our team woes can be corrected by addressing the glaring need of our O-line and our DB’s. AP is the best there is and would be lighting up the boards, and Ponder would be 10 times better with a bigger, better OT on the left and a smarter more talented OT on the right. As far as the DB’s…they have stunk for the last few years with the exception of a young, healthy Winfield. Webb could seriously address the WR issue and with an off-season to improve route running…?! Allen, AP, Harvin, Ponder, Webb(WR), and Greenway are the core of players to build around. I have a ton of Coaching issues. I’d definetly ping Gruden of Billick and check interest. Then we could look at a Super Bowl run.

  192. By campfrazier on Dec 15, 2011 | Reply

    Randy’s post about think where webb would be at this point is very very valid, and I think the same thing also, and I made a very long post about getting webb on the field no matter what, ( we’ll see if it makes it on the Post. so what are the Vikings going to do………………………….to be continued…….. we will have to wait and see. I hope it turns out to be the right choice is all I have to say

  193. By TOMMYK#9 on Dec 16, 2011 | Reply

    Websters dictionary defines Joe Webb:
    Joe Webb – noun (pronounced Jo Web) – an extremely athletic individual with a big but terribly inaccurate throwing arm that can’t read defenses, plays on a team with questionable receiver talent and looks to run first. Synonym – Vince Young. Sentence example,” Please keep Joe Webb on this roster but please never ever be serious about giving him a shot to be the qb of this team.”

    footnote: source – a viking fan for 40 years that watched Webb throughout his college career. “Get him the ball, just don’t let the center be the one getting it to him!”

  194. By Puckertrucker on Dec 17, 2011 | Reply

    To the Fans:
    The only thing we are going to see this weekend is Ponder throwing an out pattern to our wideouts and the Saints taking it back to the house. I have watched with concern in Ponders playing he telegraphs ever pass he makes and He doesn’t have a strong enough arm to throw back accross the field. We put Webb in last week and He brought us to within one last play of winning. In my estimation that is why he is not playing this week he plays to well and Frazier wants us to lose. Otherwise Frazier would have started Webb at QB he is a better option against the Saints than ponder at this juncture at least we know he can run for TDs at the slightest hint of trouble with the defense gettiing to him. Don’t get me wrong but Ponder was thrown in the fracus to soon he may be the future of this team, but Webb hasn’t even had a good chance to show just what he is capable of doing. Even in the games he played last year and of those he at least won three games. I think he should be given a break and a chance to show just what he can do against the saints this week.

    The One and Only PuckerTrucker!!!!!!!!Skol Fan.

  195. By klwedge on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    WEBB is my herro he wins games ya right LET PONDER develop

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