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Frazier Frustrated With Pass Defense

Posted by Mike Wobschall on December 5, 2011 – 7:41 am

One of Leslie Frazier’s strengths is the ability to keep a level head in all situations. He’s not one to get too high in times of prosperity or too low in times of adversity. But there was no mistaking Frazier’s emotion after Sunday’s 35-32 loss to the Denver Broncos on Sunday.

He was frustrated with the defensive effort against Denver’s passing attack. Granted, the Vikings have been decimated by injuries in the secondary and were relegated this past week to signing free agents off the street just so there were enough players to dress. But Frazier refuses to use injuries or bad luck as an excuse.

“We can’t make any excuses about it,” Frazier said after the game. “We just did a poor job. We have to identify that somebody who can come back there and make a play for us when the ball is in the air. It’s not good.”

Frazier is right, the defensive effort against Denver’s passing attack was not good. The Vikings gave up 202 passing yards and 2 passing TDs to a passing offense that ranks 31st in the NFL. Broncos QB Tim Tebow was 10 of 15 for 202 yards and 2 TDs on the game, and his top receiver – Demaryius Thomas – had 4 receptions for 144 yards and both of the scores. The Vikings allowed 3 receptions of 40+ yards.

Adding to the frustration for Frazier was the fact that the Vikings weren’t employing a complicated scheme, yet mistakes continued to plague the pass defense.

“We’re just playing a basic coverage with a lead, and to not be able to execute that is a bad thing,” Frazier explained. “It means you can’t play any coverage, not just a base coverage. The fact that we got new guys and we’re rotating guys, we’ve had some injuries, that happens. When you’re out there as a professional athlete, you have to find a way to do your job. We did not find a way to do our job.”

Outside of being visibly frustrated with the pass defense, Frazier did the right thing in not pointing out any individuals who performed below expectations.

“It’s a combination,” Frazier responded when asked if cornerbacks or safeties were to blame. “The corner has to do a great job of jamming the guy. The safety has to do a good job of being able to talk. There should not be that type of gap. We’ve been playing that coverage forever, and to see it played the way it was played today was just bad.”

As frustrated as Frazier and Vikings fans are with the outcome of Sunday’s game, the positives are not be hard to identify. RB Toby Gerhart (91 yards rushing), WR Percy Harvin (156) and QB Christian Ponder (381) all had career days, and Jared Allen recorded another safety and also another sack-forced fumble-fumble recovery. On top of that, the Vikings defense performed well in the 1st half, holding Tebow to just 37 total yards and the Broncos to just one 1st down.

In the end, though, porous pass defense and a late-game INT were enough to doom the Vikings, and sour the excitement that should surround several impressive individual performances.

“There were a lot of guys who were out there fighting and giving tremendous effort,” Frazier said. “Once again, they put us in a situation where we could win the game. We have to take our hats off to Christian and a bunch of other guys, like Percy and Jared and so many others, who fought their tails off throughout. Denver did a good job of battling and getting the tempo in the direction they wanted it to go, and we did a lousy job at defending some of the things they did in the passing game.”


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69 Responses to “Frazier Frustrated With Pass Defense”

  1. By Cesar on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    I CANT WAIT TO SEE MO CLAIBORNE FROM LSU GOING FROM PURPLE AND YELLOW TO PURPLE AND GOLD!!! HOPEFULLY WE PICK HIM UP THIS DRAFT IT WILL DEF. HELP OUR DEFENSE

  2. By Viking Joe on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    NE has employed it’s WR as CB we have a highly talented player in Webb yet we do nothing with him. We need help he is very athletic player and we should be working on how to can get him on the field and help us. Why is Belicick the only one who can see this. Wake up use who you have the best we can. Our corners are too small and too slow. Do something about Cook if he can play let him don’t pay him to sit by. He has the off season to get personnal help.

  3. By sandiamond on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    The minnesota vikings select Morris Claiborne with the _ pick of the 2012 nfl draft! He is our man in purple and gold. We can not wait until the 2nd rd to draft a corner. Couple of those players have off-field issues and some are under-sized. What we had yesterday on the field was the smallest defensive backfield to suit up in the nfl the last ten years. OL help will be found in rounds 2-5

  4. By DrinkHeavyVikingFans on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    Well fellow Vikings fans, here’s the news flash that we’ve all been waiting for…it seems that after 12 weeks of careful observation and experimenting with several players who were recently seen in street clothes, Vikings sources now speculate that our secondary can’t play a simple basic prevent pass coverage..although it cannot be confirmed at this time, it appears that this may have “prevented” the Vikings from winning this week’s game against the Broncos and also from winning several games this past year where the Vikings have had actual leads in games! Now that’s the kind of critical thinking that will get you to a Super Bowl! So watch out you 12-0 Cheeseheads! We’re coming for ya’ (well uh, not now, but maybe in 2021).

  5. By SantaClause on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    DRE KIRPATRICK people not Morris claiborn Dre is a 6-3 Corner from alabama right now he is rated a little below Morris for the draft i think 8 or 9th but that could change when we see both work out at combine and such but i agree we need a Corner first round. Dre is amazing i urge everyone to go look him up on Youtube and you too will agree we need this KID if we dont draft a corner its going to be the end of Speilmen.

  6. By SantaClause on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    DRE KIRPATRICK people not Morris claiborn Dre is a 6-3 Corner from alabama right now he is rated a little below Morris for the draft i think 8 or 9th overall best player but that could change when we see both work out at combine and such but i agree we need a Corner first round. Dre is amazing i urge everyone to go look him up on Youtube and you too will agree we need this guy if we don’t draft a corner its going to be the end of Speilmen. PS. dont move to LA cause this is the clossest team to the North Pole Skol VIKES

  7. By hippster on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    frustration hmmmm lets all think about that for a season or two, frazier sucks , it gets pretty old hearing the same old BS from this timid no passion, none coaching fool this is the second four game losing streak of the season.if you can’t figure out whats wrong by now you will never get it. frazier is way to soft to be a head coach

  8. By Twoodsnvikes on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    OH MY GOD FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!! FINALLY HE AGREES, MAYBE THERE IS STILL HOPE FOR FRAZIER!!!! HERE YOU GO FRAZIER:

    First Round Morris Claiborne CB Trade down for extra second round
    Second Round Kelechi Osemele OG
    Second Round Markelle Martin FS
    Third Round Nate Potter OT Trade down for extra fourth round
    Fourth Round Antonio Allen SS
    Fourth Round Donnie Fletcher CB
    Fourth Round Ryan Broyles WR Compensatory
    Free Agent Tracy Porter CB
    Free Agent Dwayne Bowe WR

  9. By sandiamond on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    BCS chamionship Jan9th everyone can get a look for themselves at the two corners. Certainly Kirkpatrick would be fine addition but he will need to bulk up for the nfl and offers nothing on special teams. Claiborne has exp returning kicks

  10. By sandiamond on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    twoods is it likely the the Saints will let their best corner go in FA? There is no trade down for claiborne because another team would select him number 4-5

  11. By Joner on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    Ywoods- that would be a great offseason and put us into contention for playoffs straight away. The odds for all of those however is about 1 million to 1. I’d take Claibourne, Mike Adams OT 2nd round and Martin/Broyles late 2nd/ early 3rd

  12. By NorthwoodsVikesFan on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    ” We’ve been playing that coverage forever, and to see it played the way it was played today was just bad.”

    Thank you Captain Obvious! THAT coverage has lost MN more games over the last 10 years than anything else you can point a stick at. You’re just figuring that out NOW????

  13. By Twoodsnvikes on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    Would the vikes let go of their best WR last year? Well we did, so I don’t see it being unrealistic that the Saints could/would/will

  14. By klwedge on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    This whole season has been (Frazire’s falt).He’s made bad desisions 1st gettin Mcnabb.2 icnoring the facts about our secondairy.3 Bad play calling among rendering his leadership to the players.4 Justifing his failures he is very passive ! who would want to win for him??????How do you respect that?

  15. By NorthwoodsVikesFan on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    Actually guys, yesterday’s loss was perfect. Close game that we could have won, but what would that do for us? Knock us down in the draft a few spots, is all. We learned that there is NOTHING wrong with the receivers we have, Gerhardt is one hard-headed sun of a …….., Jared is STILL a beast, the O-line needs some meds for their bi-polar issues, and the secondary needs a flush down the toilet and we start fresh.

    We also learned that Frasier CAN learn – 2 decisive challenges this week. Good job!

    Suggestion: if we’re going to use Webb as a receiver, he needs to be on the field more often, not just the one play that goes to him. Other teams just might catch on to that. I did.

  16. By Dennis on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    You can not blame Ponder for throwing interceptions. He is a rookie that gets to practice against the poorest secondary in the league. He thinks he can make some of these throws because he does it all week in practice against his own.
    This secondary couldn’t score a point on a video game!

  17. By Shawn on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    @NorthwoodsVikesFan … good stuff. I was impressed with Frazier through the Broncos game and in the post game presser. He has shown growth from week 1 to now and Im still on Fraziers side. I like Frazier a whole lot more than Chilly.

  18. By Viking Joe on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    The Vikings secondary is definitely going to be reshuffled by next year.

  19. By DFish on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    To bad it took until week 12…

  20. By CA_Viking_fan on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    Well, it’s about time seeing some emotion from the coaching staff regarding the secondary and the coverage schemes. We all already know how bad the secondary is, but wow many of the guys really stepped up yesterday. I was really impressed with all the young guns. They all played with heart and appeared to for the whole game. Hats off to Denver though. They played aggressive too, and never gave up. Aside from our secondary melting in key situations, and a couple rookie gaffes by Ponder, there were a lot of positives. Probably the biggest positive was hearing Coach blow up on our secondary finally. Ok, now do something about it! And don’t forget the Oline.

  21. By drew on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    We all know what we need! We lack corner and safeties for years. Our pass defense suck! We going to get a top five pick, the first three teams are going to get a QB, we can get us a shutdown corner. Finally!!!!!

  22. By Tim on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    I am a big viking fan, but think of our situation for a minute, if we win any more games all it does is hurt us in draft status. This was a perfect game, we already knew the secondary was bad, and not the coach appears to realize it so, maybe some changes are coming. Ponder, Hervin, Gerhart all played well. There is improvement in several players. Our offensive line showed it can play well at times, but terrible at times as well. So I actually consider this a win-win game.

  23. By NorthwoodsVikesFan on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    Mike W is correct – 32 points is enough to win a game, BUT only if our secondary stops the other team from scoring more than us. Fix the secondary and we’re back in the running next year. Either find talent that can perform the cover scheme we’re currently running, or change the cover scheme.

    “We’ve been playing that coverage forever…….” Uh, what’s the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over, expecting a different result.

  24. By Viking-ology on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    This is a passing league-which means you need a good O-line to give the QB time to throw, and you need good corners to shut down receivers. With that said, it took Frazier 12 games to realize this.

  25. By Viking-ology on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    The question is, will Frazier shake up the already depleated secondary?

  26. By Viking-ology on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    Another coaching gaffe-Frazier should have allowed Denver to score a TD at the end of the game. There was still 1:30 left and the Vikes had two timeouts. Frazier keeps making the same mistakes, the same scenario happened early in the season with the same result. The definition of insanity:Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

  27. By Viking-ology on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    To add to my comment-Two timeouts with 1:30 left would have at least given the Vikes a chance to at least tie the game. I said it when Frazier was hired as head coach-I did not think it was a good hire, although I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, now with 12 games gone by I just don’t see any positives coming out of the coaching staff. The sad thing is, he will most likely be the head coach next year. Unless he makes some serious coaching moves (players and coaches) we will be in the same position as this year.

  28. By Jdude on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    Go ahead coach, be frustrated. This defensive secondary did bad against a QB that can’t throw. In next year’s draft maybe you can draft some good DB’s.

  29. By sandiamond on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    2012 Vikings Mock Draft:

    Rd1 Morris Claiborne CB LSU
    Rd2 Mike Adams OT Ohio State or Jerel Worthy DT Mich State
    Rd3 Andrew Datko OT Fla State or Jared Crick DE/DT Neb
    Rd3(if Applicable with Gerhart trade) LaMicheal James RB Oregon
    Rd4 Lucas Nix G Pitt or Barrett Jones T/G Alabama or Nate Potter G Boise State
    Rd4(if Applicable with comp pick) Case Keenum QB Hou or Russell Wilson QB
    Rd5 Ryan Browles WR/PR Okla or T.J. Graham WR/PR NC State
    Rd6(if Applicable with comp pick) Trenton Robinson FS Mich State or DeQuan Menzie CB Alabama
    Rd7 BJ Cunningham WR Mich State or Marquis Maze WR/PR Alabama

  30. By sandiamond on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    This draft is a bit heavy on the OL/DL but this assumes Frazier will now make one change in the secondary before the nfl combine
    Some of these players are a stretch in the round number quoted but keep in mind a #2 slot will grab us players that should have been in the previous round

  31. By morgan on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    HOW CAN YOU NOT PLAY WEBB MORE THAN A FEW DOWNS? Answer……if you are Les Fra. Coach needs to go.

  32. By Troy on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    Well its official we made a poor throwing quarterback look like a pro bowler!. Just maybe Frazier finally sees how bad our linebackers and secondary are. I mean how many more times do we need to see the Henderson brothers be out of position? Esspecially EJ he has been around to long to take the wrong angles.

    Release them all except the front 4 and start over for goodness sakes, its getting old really fast Frazier!!!

    Either you release them or you will be released!!!!

  33. By deckyoh on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    tough loss yesterday,very impressed with ponder but if you ask me,every corner and safety we have on the current active roster excluding winfield and cook has to go,yes every one of them

  34. By Derrick.G on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    HIRE A GENERAL MANAGER or else we will draft a DT in rd 1…..or a RB….maybe a………the list goes on and on.

  35. By Animal26 on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    I know everyone is saying draft for secondary, but that is impossible at this point. main concern should be addressed the offensive line first and for most in this years draft. best scenario for the vikings in this upcoming draft would be if they landed both Matt Kalil in the 1st round and Kelechi Osemele in the 2nd. If we are able to draft these two, then I say we start looking at receiver and defensive tackles. Look for safeties and corners in free agency.

  36. By NorthwoodsVikesFan on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    Why is drafting corners and safeties impossible? Free agents WERE drafted at one point…..right at the beginning of their careers I’d bet. Are you insinuating that there are no quality Dbacks in the draft?

    O-line is second priority. We’re scoring enough points to win games if we could reduce the number of points the other teams score.

    Fix the secondary, we win the close games. Then fix the O-line, we win all games.

  37. By Big sky Zeke on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    Hey fellow frustrated fans…we need to start at the top and start firing people Rick Speilman has had his day and proved that he can not and does deserve that position. Sorry Les but you to my friend must go….you were a great db but a lousy head coach…Ziggy please tell me your going after Bill Cowher or jeff fisher…please tell me your not just buying time untill the season is over and you move the team….

  38. By NorthwoodsVikesFan on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    If our secondary could have prevented just 1 opponent TD in each game, we’d be 8-3-1 right now.

    Can’t say the same about the opportunities lost by the O-line – there have been several, but not in every game.

    Fix the secondary, then the O-line. And for Pete’s sake, don’t let Sherels return kicks anymore.

  39. By Animal26 on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    NorthwoodsVikesfan: I’m not saying there isn’t any quality Dbacks in this draft, but more to the point, the depth of quality Dbacks is pretty thin, in this years draft, from what I can tell. The offensive line will be easier to draft for this year in my opinion.

  40. By Regfan on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    2-14 does seem possible unless they win one by accident

  41. By sandiamond on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    Cowher lives down the road from me and I promise that I will try and talk to this man about the vikings sometime during the winter after he returns from the CBS studios

  42. By Viking33 on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    What surprised me most about the game yesterday was that the Broncos even bothered to run the ball. Tebow might very well have elevated himself to an even more nauseating level than he already is if they just started the game chucking it around on us from the beginning. All QB’s that face us should have a asterisk * next to their stats for the week. But the bright side is we still have Brees to look forward to, YAY!! Torn between drafting OL or DB / I think the draft is deeper for the OL so we should go DB stud 1st!

  43. By Carl on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    There is a CB in the second round his name is Stephon Gilmore he’s a Chris Cook type without the felonies. Then we could take a OT in the 1st round. I still think we need to trade Toby Gerhart to get an extra 2nd or 3rd round pick or both for him so he could get a chance to start.

  44. By gubber on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    Pass defence ??? What pass defence ??? Oh, you’re referring to the NFL version of the Keystone Cops !!!

  45. By gubber on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    To RegFan.

    Thought they were going to fowl things up until Tebow started throwing the ball. We won’t catch Indianapolis, but hopefully St. Louis can stumble over another win to move us to second on draft day. Next two are Detroit and New Orleans … 2 – 12 here we come !!! We’ve suffered this long, at least leave us the consolation prize of as high a pick in each round as possible.

  46. By gubber on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    If I had my choice it would be Matt Kalil in the first followed by David DeCastro if he’s available in the second. Hopefully the Vikes stockpile a couple more high drafts by moving Allen ( since we don’t need him with Ballard, Griffen, and Guion ready to step in ), and Shiancoe since Kyle Rudolph is as I said earler going to be a Pro Bowl tight end. Would love to get T.J. McDonald from USC at free safety and add a couple of “good” corners and a strong safety in the draft or in free agency.

  47. By Mark B on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    gubber – I don’t think moving Allen would be prudent; Ballard, Griffen and Guion, while being good, won’t make up for the loss of one of the most dominant pass rushers in the league. I do like the thought of trading Gerhardt and Shaincoe – especially if Booker can step up his pass blocking he would make a great 3rd down back.
    I would also make room on the roster by trading/releasing/not resigning EJ and most of the secondary. I would hang on to Winfield (restructure contract and move to SS?), Cook, Raymond and maybe B. Burton (see what OTAs show us) and being really aggressive in the FA market for MLB, CB, WLB and outside WR.
    Because this draft is considerably deeper in OL prospects, I would agree that Claiborne with our first pick, then addressing the weak spots on the OL (LG, and RT especially – put Love at LT, Fusco at C and let Herrera and Berger fight over RG.) That would make us young on the OL but I think with #28 in the backfield and Harvin catching quick slants it will take a lot of the pressure off until they get their feet under them.

  48. By Mark B on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    One more thought …. why are we carrying 4 TE’s? I realize there are a bunch of 3 TE sets, but seriously?!?

  49. By TITANIUM TITUS on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    THIS IS NEWS???????????????????????????????????????????????????

    Wow, I thought this secondary debacle has been around since the late 90s.

  50. By chris on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    CLEAN HOUSE!!!! get rid of musky, speilman, and loser leslie. we hear the same thing every week with this clown. well we did good but didnt play as well and we need improvements, or im excited for next game, or well we will have to do better next time. he is the biggest wuss, bring in cowher or gruden, someone who has actually won superbowls and not a player 100 years ago played in a superbowl. i have been the biggest fan of the vikings for a very long time, but it seems like the vikings are the detroit lions of football. now detroit who hasn’t been to a playoff game in 17 years, are better than us. quit clowning around man up and get some experienced players, as well as coaches. i mean our secondary sucks. why dont we just draft some more tight ends or running backs or positions we dont need. speilman is an idiot

  51. By eric olson on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    All i can say is hope to get good 1st round draft picks 1 wide receiver and the rest defense.

  52. By Bigfan1 on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    Tyrann Mathieu.

  53. By PAUL M. on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    YOU KNOW WHAT?

    AN ORGANIZATION THAT BLOCKS IT’S OWN FANS FROM HONEST COMMENTARY, JUST BECAUSE — AT TIMES – THAT COMMENTARY IS, AS MOST WOULD AGREE, JUSTIFIED CRITICISM, IS AN ORGANIZATION WHICH ONLY WANTS FANS WHO SHUT UP & BUY TICKETS & MERCHANDISE !!

    I’VE BEEN BLOCKED FOR WEEKS BECAUSE OF SOME ANAL-RETENTIVE’S LACK OF BREAST-FEEDING !

    GOOD BYE VIKINGS – YOU’RE NOT MY WARRIORS ANY MORE. . . YOU ARE A BUSINESS MODEL HOLDING YOUR FANS’ WALLETS HOSTAGE ! ! !

  54. By bobo on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    hey frazier wake up show some emotion no wonder the teams losing with a effortless coach like you and your staff of losers , send muscrat back to oregon hes not a n o coach hes to dumb . and the def back coach needs to be fired db backs cant cover granny in a chair

  55. By PAUL M. on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    IF YOU WERE A SERIOUS FOOTBALL ORGANIZATION, YOU WOULD HAVE HIRED SOMEONE LIKE BRIAN BILLICK & NOT EXTENDED FRAZIER ANOTHER YEAR.

    BUT YOU’RE JUST A BUSINESS MODEL RUN AMOK.

  56. By Frederick Jones on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    This is easily the most negative blog I have seen in over 2 years on Vikings.com.

    Everyone is frustrated. I gotta gotta gotta tell ya!
    NO ONE PERSON COULD BE THIS DUMB TO LET THE SITUATION PERSIST FOR TEN YEARS!!!

    Organize your VPs!

    H I R E A G E N E R A L M A N A G E R ! ! !

  57. By Frederick Jones on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    or not, and let the situation continue for ten (10) more years!

  58. By VikingFan on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    IM GLAD MORE PEOPLE AGREE WITH ME ABOUT MAURICE CLAIBORNE HE IS A BEAST WE NEED A CB WITH HANDS

  59. By Dave on Dec 6, 2011 | Reply

    Frazier. Its times like these you must look at your sideline and pick out the really talented players. We have ponder now, which im loving the progress. Joe Webb is just as talented, if not more so. Put him in WR and i guarantee that kid will stomp secondarys. all we have to look forward to is the draft so why dont you just put him out there and get ready for next year. He either needs to be traded or played and im hoping he stays a viking. PLAY JOE WEBB AT WR!!!!!!!

  60. By Derrick.G on Dec 6, 2011 | Reply

    *sigh……this is still a team? We all sound like broken records here…HIRE A GENERAL MANAGER and let him take care of business.

  61. By MTvikesfan on Dec 6, 2011 | Reply

    It takes 22 players to make a successful winning team. We all no that. We have maybe (6) at times on offense and maybe (4) on defense. 10 players represent failure as our record indicates. I grade the offensive line at 50% failure most of the time and the defensive backs at 100% failure all the time. It starts with the draft in bringing these people in and then the coaches have to develop them. So what is it? Coaching maybe!! The people sitting in the owners box, ABSOLUTELY!! If we have had this bad of secondary for the number of years indicated above it obvious that there needs to be changes in personnel who are making the selections in the draft. We are getting beat there to. I don’t think we can draft entire team next year but we need to fill allot holes. If Webb is a talent, he has to be used. Trading Gerhart is a mistake. He has heart and that’s what this team is missing except for those 10 players.

  62. By sensi on Dec 6, 2011 | Reply

    griffin is done 2 season ending injuries in 2 years he should be cut, winfield is getting to old to finish a complete season… sapp is not to bad i liked him the first time around when we traded him for camirillo which has done a few things here and there but not really is on the field enough to make a difference. LOL and the vikings safties are pathetic…

  63. By vikingbob136 on Dec 6, 2011 | Reply

    Obviously Frazier doesn’t read this blog. He could have found out that all Viking fans were frustrated with pass defense (especially secondary) 12 weeks ago.
    We are at least 2-3 years away from a playoff spot.Draft smart Spielman or else you will be on the unemployment line soon. 2-14 or 6-10 doesn’t make a difference.
    You still don’t make playoffs Look at the Cheeseheads last year. Squeeked into the playoffs and went all the way.
    Look at St Louis cardinals (baseball) Just get in and get hot. Later……

  64. By rye on Dec 6, 2011 | Reply

    I still think frazier will be a good coach. almost all the great coaches had bad first years.

    Personally, now that the vikes actually have a young QB that shows great promise, I think they will be back in the playoff hunt next season because they will be able to fill a lot of holes in their OL and defensive secondary now.

    Time will tell, but I think the Frazier haters will eat their words.

  65. By gubber on Dec 6, 2011 | Reply

    MarkB

    Here’s my thinking on Jared. Ballard, Griffen, and Guion may not be Jared, but our d-line would still be pretty good with the potential to get better. A couple of things would happen moving him. One, we would be losing a very large contract that we could put toward free agency. Two, Jared would garner a very good price with a lot of teams being pass rush deficient and those picks would help us fill at least a couple of holes. And three, we would get younger, and mangement has a very bad habit of holding on to players until they have no value, instead of getting something for them while they still have in this case substantial value.

  66. By NorthwoodsVikesFan on Dec 7, 2011 | Reply

    I understand your thinking Gubber, but I disagree. Allen is drawing 2 blockers most snaps, and you would hope that someone else on the D-line could get to the QB, or the DBs would have an easier time guarding one less receiver. NEITHER of which is happening.

    Give up Allen, and our defense tanks.

    Besides, what kind of philosophy is that? We finally acquire a top-tier performer (which are few and far between), so let’s give him away and hope we find someone else like him?

    No, the proven bird on the roster is better than 2 unproven birds in the draft. Build a better team AROUND your stars, not instead of your stars.

  67. By purplegoldman on Dec 7, 2011 | Reply

    Save all of your Doom and Gloom till after the draft and free agentcy. Only then will we no that the front office has finaly gotten a clue or they will remain clueless and winless.

  68. By James on Dec 7, 2011 | Reply

    Fraizers not the only one angry with pasing defence, i am too. I mean, we need ppl covering the recevers. Jared Allen and Chad Greenway are perfect. They just need more assistance. Also Ponder needs HUGE better protection. If hes been chased over 40 times {which he has} than the ppl who save the QB from being sacked and opening holes arent doing their job.

  69. By James on Dec 7, 2011 | Reply

    I am also surrpried how weve made 26 playoffs and 4 super bowls but never won one.

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