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Vikings Nosed-Out By Broncos 35-32 In Nail-Biter

Posted by Mike Wobschall on December 4, 2011 – 4:40 pm

Christian Ponder and Percy Harvin went stride-for-stride with Tim Tebow and Co., but defensive miscues and a late-game INT by the short-handed Vikings were enough of an advantage for the Denver Broncos to escape Mall of America Field with a tightly-contested 35-32 decision on Sunday.

It was the defense that got the Vikings going early, as DE Jared Allen tackled Broncos RB Willis McGahee in the end zone for a safety on Denver’s first offensive play. Denver responded when LB Mario Haggan, starting for the injured Von Miller, intercepted a Ponder pass and returned it 16 yards for a TD. But that’s all the Broncos would get in the 1st half, as the Vikings defense limited Tebow to just 37 total yards. A highlight-caliber TD catch by Kyle Rudolph and a pair of Ryan Longwell FGs gave the Vikings a 15-7 lead at halftime.

Denver responded right out of the gates in the 3rd quarter, marching 78 yards in 9 plays to score on a Demaryius Thomas 21-yard reception. The team’s exchanged punts after that, and then Harvin took a short pass from Ponder and turned it into a thrilling 52-yard TD reception to extend the lead to 22-14 late in the 3rd quarter. But Thomas scored again on the Broncos first play of the ensuing drive – making the score 22-21 in favor of the Vikings - and it was apparent this game would go down to the wire with two young QBs – Ponder and Tebow – battling to the end.

The Vikings and Broncos combined for 24 points in the 4th quarter. The Vikings struck first when Harvin – clearly the best player on the field on Sunday – blew past the Broncos defense once again, this time for a 48-yard TD reception to extend the Vikings lead to 29-21. Once again, though, it didn’t take Denver long to respond. Tebow hit Thomas for 42 yards on the first play, then McGahee sprinted into the end zone from 24 yards out. Tebow ran in a 2-point conversion, and the game was tied at 29 midway through the 4th quarter.

Ponder, displaying the poise of a seasoned veteran, marched the Vikings down the field on a 13-play, 59 yard drive. Longwell came on to convert a 39-yard try to salvage points, and the Vikings held a late 32-29 lead. But Denver would not be denied, as Tebow guided the Broncos from their own 20 to the Minnesota 28, allowing K Matt Prater to tie the game at 29. Ponder threw an INT on the Vikings next offensive play, and that allowed the Broncos to position themselves for a game-winning 23-yard try by Prater, which the veteran kicker put through the uprights as time expired.

Sunday marked yet another loss for the Vikings, but it’s not hard to identify positives in the team’s effort. Ponder, Harvin and RB Toby Gerhart all registered career-high performances, as Ponder threw for 381 yards, Harvin tallied 156 receiving yards and Gerhart plowed ahead for 91 tough yards on 21 carries. At the end of the day, though, the Vikings couldn’t come up with a defensive stop when they needed it, and the Broncos made a play on defense – the Ponder INT late in regulation – to set up the game-winning FG.

The Broncos improve to 7-5 on the season and sit atop the AFC West; they’ve won 5 in a row and are 6-1 since Tebow took over as the starter in Week 7. The loss drops the Vikings to 2-10 on the season as they prepare to travel to Detroit for a date with the Lions next Sunday.


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220 Responses to “Vikings Nosed-Out By Broncos 35-32 In Nail-Biter”

  1. By Spence on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    People keep talking about who we should draft but I dont know which is more urgent. Linemen or Secondary. God I hope Chris Cook is back next year.

  2. By Derrick.G on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    Secondary seems more important today, last week it was o line…..idk anymore.
    HIRE A GENERAL MANGAGER!

    http://www.twincities.com/ci_19224566?

  3. By Parody on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    I liked Ponder’s presser. He did what he could to avoid handing out excuses, gave props to his teammates, didn’t try to blame anyone but himself and then ended with a strong soundbite: “Stats are stats. They don’t win ball games. I’d much rather have a win and throw for ten yards.” [In response to a question about whether he takes solace in the fact that he threw for close to 400 yards today].

  4. By fmfan on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    Ponders 3 turnovers cost the Vikings the game…

  5. By Realskol4life on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    UGH!!! ONCE AGAIN THIS SECONDARY JUST PROVES TO BE THE DOWNFALL OF THIS TEAM.

    BILL PARCELLS SAYS “YOU ARE WHAT YOUR RECORD SAYS YOU ARE”…BUT MAN IF ONLY WE HAD A FEW COMPETENT DEFENDERS BACK IN THE SECONDARY WE’D BE AT BEST A 6-7 WIN TEAM RIGHT NOW!!!!!!

    WE NEED HELP!!!!

  6. By DesertViking on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    This team is plain garbage and the lack of discipline comes back to the coaches. I blame you Frazier, you’re supposed to get these players ready for every week’s game, but you’re not and it shows. You sound lost in the press conference, how you got this job is one of the world’s greatest unsolved mysteries. You should be fired, and fired now. Same with Musgrave, Pagac, and who ever coordinates the special team’s unit. This team needs a flush of every poison that is currently infecting it.

  7. By Realskol4life on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    Ponders 3 turnovers did account for a -13 difference…But if our defense had just stepped up once in their life in the 2nd half we’d have won that game running away early.

  8. By Parody on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    We need both linemen and secondary. In the draft, quality starting offensive linemen are usually gone before quality DBs are. Cornerbacks go sooner than safeties, and tackles go sooner than guards or centers, but overall it’s the linemen who are picked first. So the team should focus on getting a starting tackle with their first pick, and then address the defensive secondary. If possible, I would go after a center or guard in the 3rd or 4th round, but the team needs to keep an eye out for a true #1 WR too.

  9. By DesertViking on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    fmfan, Cedric Griffin and the special teams unit cost the vikes the game.

  10. By Realskol4life on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    “This team is plain garbage and the lack of discipline comes back to the coaches. I blame you Frazier, you’re supposed to get these players ready for every week’s game, but you’re not and it shows. You sound lost in the press conference, how you got this job is one of the world’s greatest unsolved mysteries. You should be fired, and fired now. Same with Musgrave, Pagac, and who ever coordinates the special team’s unit. This team needs a flush of every poison that is currently infecting it.”

    Agreed this team needs to clean house…I also believe Spielman should be fired for his terrible job in the offseason and not suring up the oline and secondary better…And getting McNabb/Ponder some playmakers,

  11. By Rocksalt on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    THE ABSOLUTE WORST DISPLAY OF DB PLAY EVER IN VIKINGS HISTORY

  12. By Realskol4life on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    @parody…Did you watch the game? We have a true no.1 receiver in Harvin when hes healthy..We just need another guy who can be a consistent possession type receiver aka the anti Micheal Jenkins…And we finally gave Devin Aromashudu some chances today and we saw what hes capable of.

  13. By vikes4ever on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    well all i can say is We woulda won today had AP been able to run. Gerhart is a joke. We replaced chester taylor for him ? we pick up sage when in my opinion Culpepper could do better. Also Lets work out some highschool DBs they couldnt do much worse. I realllllly hate to say this but we WON with Childress. Just keep crossing your arms and looking confused Frazier. This team is missing heart. Minus Jared. but he cant do it alone. Ponder learns from mistakes and Had a great day. Good job kid. Hopeful for moves in the front office and i dont mean to L.A.

  14. By Realskol4life on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    And when are we going to start featuring Rudolph more??? This guy is a weapon and he rarely gets opportunities WTF IS THIS COACHING STAFF DOING!!!!!!

  15. By Kody Wiig on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    Yes kickoff team no discipline and secondary is a fing joke cedric has no excuse been starting how long and samford is so lousy why pass a wr off with nobody coming underneath what a year just start firing people this is embarrassing

  16. By Realskol4life on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    Are you kidding me…@vikes4ever Gerhart ran well 20-90-4.3 behind an average oline at best? Gerhart was far from the problem today.

  17. By Rocksalt on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    YAY VIKES DB’S……YAY!

  18. By vikes4ever on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    Gerhart is NO chester taylor. I still Prefer the AP and chester as compared to Gerhart. Tayllor was a great 3rd down back with his pass blocking ablities theres more to a 3drb than running. Sure gerhart can run. wow We need pass blocking too

  19. By Rocksalt on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    AP would have danced and not hit the holes………doesnt matter….our DBs are HORRIBLE!

  20. By Rocksalt on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    Just nosed out…….2 consecutive plays by Denver torching our loser DBs

  21. By vikes4ever on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    if youre saying that Gerhart is Better than AP ?????????? Im not even going to read the rest of your posts if thats what youre inmplying lol

  22. By radzinwisconsin on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    Wow was Kleinsasser wide-open down the middle on the Vikings last offensive play! Reminded me how he was used when Mike Tice was coach “Big gains”

  23. By vikes4ever on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    TIM TEBOW beat out DBs TIM FRICKEN TEBOW. he looks like Tom Brady against our DBs lol lol lol wow what happened to the joey browner darren sharper ball hocking defense we knew and loved.

  24. By DesertViking on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    @Realskol4life, I agree, we do need to get the tight ends in the game plan more. Rudolf catches almost anything in his vicinity. Musgrave is a little league assistant head coach at best. Why we got rid of Derrel Bevell is beyond me, at least he knew how to put together a game plan. Look at Seattle they’re doing a lot better than us right now, with T-Jack and the helm and Bevelle calling the plays. Funny thing is their o-line is almost as bad as ours.

  25. By Cobrasvt on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    Disgusting! I am so sick of it!

  26. By vikingsfan1955 on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    Come on fans get real, this is just what we needd to se for now and give the coaches time to get it together. This is just the first year and they are showing that they are working on getting it right. We haven’t been gtting blowed out and I see we have been playing close games without ap so that says a lot. The main focus next yr should be the secondary. ponder has my complete respect and I see where next tr he and the recievers will really show their worth. We can have a number 1 reciever in Harvin but he has the stay healthy. I think jenkins will be better also. Ponder was a great choice in the draft and I will say I was skeptical. Lets ride this wave with the team we have and let the coaches figure things out which they will. It’s good that ponder is in for so long this yr because he is learning and he is learning fast. I’m looking forward to next yr with what I’m seeing, yes we still have big problems but I see great improvements and will give the team a chance to show what they can do next yr.

  27. By MG on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    The good news: Ponder, Harvin, Rudolph, Jared Allen.

    The bad news: everyone else. Including the coaches.

    In all seriousness, PLEASE draft some OLine and secondary help, and get a stud WR in free agency.

  28. By Daniel on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    Kalil first pick. That’s all there is to it guys. If luck was not #1 , Kalil would be #1. Kalil would beat out long, our Thomas. OT first pick. Safety #2. And center or guard #3. RIGHT! JES, It’s simple. Vikes fans, vote for ardent hills stadium!

  29. By DesertViking on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    @vikingsfan1955, I would normally agree with you, but one major fault, it’s almost week 14 and we still haven’t made too many changes. Sure we cut Bernard “NO catch” Berrian, and we did bench Mcnaab, but the horrible play calling and lousy tackling is still there. There are no major improvements on what I can see. Same mistakes that have plagued us all year are still around and that’s the coaches fault.

  30. By vikes4ever on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    @MG what about Peterson ? i kinda like sherels and robison too

  31. By vikes4ever on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    @desertviking We got rid of mcnabb and got Rosenfels lol LOL LMAO yeah thats SOOOOOO much better lol

  32. By Maryland Boy Troy on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    Anyone who thinks Gerhart did not run hard and play well today wasnt watching the same game i was.The defence and special teams lost this game.This team is 2-10 because they are not very talented period. Ponder and Rudolph show promise.The vikings have zero playmakers on defence other than J. Allen. Fier Spielman and hire a G.M.

  33. By kurt on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    Considering what Ponder had to work with I think he did a fantastic job. Of course he made a few rookie mistakes. Glad hes learning from them. In the long run this game meant nothing just getting our rookie qb some experience. Toby amazing job running today kept the run game in there. I liked the fact we saw Webb playing wide out. I liked what i saw on the Offence the OL even played better than usual..Its the secondary that needs the work. I like Ponder I like our receivers in Harvin and “Aroushmadu”. Just need a new Secondary. Ill be the first to say it…Im proud of our Vikings Offence good job Ponder good job Toby Good job Harvin!

  34. By vikes4ever on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    still not a toby fan

  35. By Frederick Jones on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    @Derrick G.,

    I thought the Vikings played pretty well at home this week.

    But I think you are right. Do we know what is going on?

    Do we KNOW what the coaches say to the players?
    Do we KNOW who is responsible for trading, drafting, and etc. of players?

    There are a lot of things that AS FANS we do not know.

    HIRE A GENERAL MANAGER !~~~!~~~!

  36. By Joe F on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    I think Ponder will be a great QB next year as well, but hope that next year the team is still in MN. I REFUSE to be a fan of this team if it moves to L.A. Why Wilf decided to buy a condo in L.A. and spit in the face of the fans makes my stomach churn. The VIKINGS belong in MINNESOTA!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can’t even think of next year until the Stadium issue is taken care of. Everyone talks of who the Vikes should draft or pick up in free agency next year, I really hope there is a next year in Minnesota. If anyone bashes Ponder I hope they look at the O line and make their judgments there. You can’t expect to have a rookie QB pass 42 times getting an average of 3 seconds to throw the ball and not have mistakes.

  37. By DesertViking on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    @vikes4ever, I never said Rosenfels was better than Mcnaab, did I?

  38. By Frederick Jones on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    A lot people say we should start all over. But the Vikings clearly have some good players. The problem is the three weak areas OL, DB, and WR make the rest of the players look bad.

    HIRE A GENERAL MANAGER!!!

    Actually I thought Stephen Burton, and Aromashadu looked great today as WR.
    The worst areas are clearly DB and OL. Or maybe OL and DB. You can decide.

    HIRE A GENERAL MANAGER!!!

  39. By Frederick Jones on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    Whiskey for my Offensive Linemen, and Beer for my DBacks!!!

    HIRE A GENERAL MANAGER!!!

  40. By Frederick Jones on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    @Joe F,

    I will probably still be a Vikings fan, even if they move. But you can’t help but lose interest.

    HIRE A GENERAL MANAGER!!!

  41. By vikes4ever on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    wilf bought a condo in NY not LA

  42. By Frederick Jones on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    @Parody, Shawn, Titus, Nova, and the DRS,

    My long running friends. We have nothing to lose by asking for the Vikings to:

    HIRE A GENERAL MANAGER!!!

  43. By Cali Packer Fan on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    BWAHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHH! fire this, fire that, draft this, draft that. No amount of talents can fix this joke of a team lol!!!! Save your breath and just cheer for GB.

  44. By Frederick Jones on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    @Vikes4Ever,

    Wilfs can buy a condo ANYWHERE!!!

    HIRE A GENERAL MANAGER!!!

  45. By DesertViking on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    Put Webb at DB, can’t get any worse right? LOL

  46. By vikes4ever on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    as a true vikings fan I will NEVER be a vikes fan if they are in LA it will NOT be the same. Just like the LAKERS . how many minnesotans love them. Granted the T-wolves arent great but better than being a laker or Stars fan…. Wait im seeing a pattern. Sell a Team to gain a sucky one back…. Ughghhg no matter what we do its gonna be the same every year. but its not the same if they dont suck in MINNESOTA

  47. By sandiamond on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    Ponder a few rookie mistakes? watch the presser and it tells all. He needs to be improving little by little every week and so far it’s NOT happening

  48. By vikes4ever on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    Someone said he bought one in LA to spit in our face well wasnt true he just bought one in NY

  49. By Maryland Boy Troy on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    @cali pack shut up and get lost before i kick your lame ass.

  50. By DesertViking on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    Hey Cali Pack Fan! I was starting to wonder when you were going to come in here looking for attention. Is the Pack game on TV not keeping enough of your attention?

  51. By Joe F on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    If my info was incorrect it was the fault of my GB loving father-in-law who called to gloat after the loss. GOOOOO GIANTS!!!!! @ Fred I agreed with you a few nights back on the HIRE A GM ALREADY!!!!! I hope the Vikings hear us

  52. By Frederick Jones on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Fire the coach strategies never worked for the historical Cardinals, Steelers, Packers, Patriots, etc. Look it up, most teams do not go to the Super Bowl without the same Head Coach over many, many years.

    Repeatedly firing the coach is the easiest way to lose in the NFL.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

  53. By chris on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    mabye tony dungee would come back to be our gm. Tony and frazier talk to each other all the time at least once a week. Is he out of reach.

  54. By Frederick Jones on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    @Joe F,

    I hear you.

    We must increase in our HIRE A GENERAL MANAGER!!! bloggers. You and I, no matter how fanatical cannot impress enough on our own.

    This must come from many people.

    I believe that eventually many people will believe as we do, that it isn’t just the players, and/or coaches this time. (And it probably wasn’t the last time either, many times the problem with ANY organization is the bosses.)

    But will they wait until it is too late??? Maybe it’s already too late.

  55. By DesertViking on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    Charlie Johnson is looking better every game, but Phil is look more lost, thank god Von Miller wasn’t coming off the edge or it would of been a tough game for Ponder.

  56. By Frederick Jones on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    @Chris,

    Tony Dungy could be on the short list of future GMs. Currently I doubt that the Vikings (Wilfs) have such a list. WE WILL HAVE TO CONVINCE THEM!

  57. By Frederick Jones on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    DesertViking,

    HIRE A GENERAL MANAGER???

  58. By DesertViking on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    YEAH, HIRE A GENERAL MANGER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  59. By chris on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    GM or strike stop going to the games almost all the other fans in the league stop going to the games if they have only won 2 games all year and we are still selling out

  60. By Joe F on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    I lived in MN up to 3 years ago, I now live in AZ (the northern cold part) the only information I get is from this website and a few others, so I was late getting the right information because why would Viking fans care if the owner bought a new 19 million dollar condo when the new stadium should be the only real estate news coming from the owner.

  61. By DesertViking on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    To the petition!!!!!

  62. By vlad19 on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    SORRY, but the praise for Ponder and a “great game” is so out of whack with reality…. if you are a fan who likes a RUN from the QB because it LOOKS exciting and an occasional big play, or you LOVE big number stats, then here is your excuse to say Ponder is “good”… he is not.

    Ponder can’t read a defense – he can’t make the hot reads, he can’t deal with a good blitzing package – no one is afraid to blitz this guy cuz he can’t pick up the quick reads – he can’t anticipate anything…. and he obnviously is reckless with the ball at all the wrong moments (see funble from the 7 yd line on 3rd n goal – the ridiculous Int when he tried to squeeze it into Aromashodu on 7 yd curl, returned for a TD – when he had the back on swing pass – then the kicker with the final steak in the heart Int). “Rookie mistakes” are an easy excuse, but I don’t see Ponder’s ability to read anything!

    You have THAT kind of performance, you will do nothing BUT lose. Voila’, we are doing what?

  63. By purplehaze1 on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    i would like to know why…with a few secs left in the half and you need to take a shot to the endzone…two of your better players on the team , that have been making a differnece (PH and KR) are on the sideline? call me stupid, but i would not have them as spectators on that play…GO VIKES!!!

  64. By Joe F on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    Where has the firey Mike Singletary been? I would love to see him grab a players facemask and straighten some of these players out. Show some emotion coaches, doesn’t losing suck? Show the fans you care about whats happening.

  65. By DesertViking on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    @vlad, Have you seen the o-line? Ponder is doing the best he can with limited weapons, a handicapped o-line, and “special” coaches. It’s the coaches job to help Ponder develop and I don’t see anybody helping him, all he has learned has been by himself. So I give him Props. I see some other starting QB’s making the same mistakes Ponder is making. With time he will learn, he’s just a rookie.

  66. By sandiamond on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    It’s time for Paton and Studwell to be fired this week!!! Bring in a new GM and let him make a decision on Spielman and his place in a new direction. The man has talent but should he be our acting GM??

  67. By Mike B. on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    @vlad19 were we watching the same game? Ponder during the first half was running for his life due to spotty protection from his OL. He threw 2 interceptions which rookies do. He threw for almost 400yrds and 3 tds. That is not a bad day for any QB. He was looking for his option receivers all day and was making connections with his checkdowns. He would have had a perfect game, but his INTs came at crictical times. He gets more experience he’s going to be great. The secondary and OL didn’t help us very much this game. Special teams allowed some runs today which is unusual also. I hoped for a win today, but we had to get ahead well and keep ahead that didn’t happen. We battled back and forth all game so we lost.

  68. By keepvikingsinMN on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    Is there anybody positive in these chats, they rip on everyone. Are you people never happy. We had an entertaining game and we we lost, what more could you ask for. If we had won all it would have done is give us a worst draft choice.

  69. By vikemike on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    The vikings need to whipe out the whole Defensive Backfield. Try to sign Landry and another safety. Keep Cook and Draft a couple of CBs in the draft. But with the first pick they must draft a OT, that would allow Charlie Johnson to move inside to guard. But even with all those moves, I think this coaching staff just doesn’t cut it. Frazier was not even a good D-Coordinator. Terrible terrible. This team is turning into the Detroit Lions of the past.

  70. By vlad19 on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    I have been LONG and LOUD about how bad the O-line is, BUT Ponder is repsonsible to get the ball out to safety valve, and hot reads which he is abysmal at doing…. THAT is on Ponder. He can’t read a defense to save his life, and good QB anticipate what defenses are trying to do, they anticipate the schemes, Ponder tries to fly by seat of his pants, but he already has “an idea” of what he wants to do before the snap…. and that is NOT a good trait for QB – it is HOW they throw Ints…. and it is also WHY they can’
    t get a throw off and need to run for their lives.

    But yes, the O-line sukks — doesn’t mean Ponder is good either. Would he be better with a good O-line? Of course, but we have teh pumpkin not the coach! So read a defense and bet your hat they will blitz you, so be LOOKING to read the blitz!

    “He is a rookie” doesn’t hold water when his mistakes are way beyond rookie mistakes – basics of the QB position, protect the ball and read defense and read hot reads! He does this not very well. Yes, he will develope, but the basics were NOT a problem to Manning or Brady…. once learned these basics should NEVER change!

  71. By sandiamond on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    FIRE GEORGE PATON AND SCOTT STUDWELL NOW!

  72. By TITANIUM TITUS on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    Great game this afternoon. Highest score we have had all year against a good defense and AP on the sidelines. We are moving in the right direction. A few changes and 2012 will be a playoff season.

  73. By Realskol4life on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    I don’t understand Packer fans who come to a board of a team who 1…Isn’t in playoff contention….2. Nobody likes you, and doesn’t care about the Packers.

    Please die…

  74. By DesertViking on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    keepvikesinmn, were only so negative because it’s the same bull every week, i’m tired of seeing griffin get burned on every route the receiver he’s covering runs, i’m tired of the defense in general not being able to get off the field on 3rd downs, i’m tired of seeing frazier on the sideline with not emotion on his face and not talking to any of his players, i’m tired of the kickoff unit allowing big returns after we go down and score, i’m tired of the predictable play-calling, i’m tired of poor effort, i’m tired of losing.

    I’m sure i’m not the only one that’s tired of these things.

  75. By vlad19 on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    mike B, you can’t make the convenient conclusion and then say “he made mistakes at the critical times” as this completes the WHOLE picture. He makes poor reads by and large – there is not a QB that misses them all, or they wouldn’t BE a draft pick. But the rookie thing doesn’t hold water, as much as people are praising a loss like I am reading…. Ponder is responsible for at least 13 point swing – and we lost by HOW much?

  76. By sandiamond on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    How long can we run with “a few rookie mistakes” ? Ponder has 4 games to earn the starting job or sit on the bench next year

  77. By Geiber on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    @keepvikingsinMN
    I’m happy! Ya know it is funny, you get frustrated at Ponder for some of his mistakes and the you go watch his presser and you forget about them all because Ponder is such an amazing person. The way he doesn’t blame anyone else, puts it all on his shoulders, knows exactly what he did wrong, just seems like such an intelligent and kind person, and not only that he wants to win “stats are stats, they dont win ball games.” Heck Ponder already has convinced that he s the future of the MN Vikings, he may not turn into the next Brees or Rodgers but heck that’s fine with me, all I want is a good solid QB that has a great personality and loves to play football. Reminds me of the man himself, Favre in his older days, but Ponder is showing that maturity already.

  78. By DesertViking on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    Vlad, you have a point, but when the receiver can’t get open when they have man on man against a blitz it makes it tougher on Ponder too.

  79. By Realskol4life on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    My Top 5 Draft Elgible Players next year
    1.Morris Claiborne CB, LSU
    2.Matt Kalil OT, USC
    3.Andrew Luck QB,Stanford
    4.Quinton Coples, DE, North Carolina
    5.Justin Blackmon WR, Oklahoma State
    6.Jonathan Martin OT, Stanford
    7. Matt Barkley QB, USC
    8. Dre Kirkpatrick CB, Alabama
    9.Robert Griffin III QB, Baylor
    10.Trent Richardson RB,Alabama

    So looking at this board…Our 2 biggest needs are obviously Cornerback and Offensive line and this draft is loaded with Plenty…My personal Choice would be Claiborne but I have a feeling the organization will look to give Ponder a dominating LT to protect him.

    So I would not be against Kalil.

  80. By Realskol4life on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    My Top 10 Draft Elgible Players next year
    1.Morris Claiborne CB, LSU
    2.Matt Kalil OT, USC
    3.Andrew Luck QB,Stanford
    4.Quinton Coples, DE, North Carolina
    5.Justin Blackmon WR, Oklahoma State
    6.Jonathan Martin OT, Stanford
    7. Matt Barkley QB, USC
    8. Dre Kirkpatrick CB, Alabama
    9.Robert Griffin III QB, Baylor
    10.Trent Richardson RB,Alabama
    So looking at this board…Our 2 biggest needs are obviously Cornerback and Offensive line and this draft is loaded with Plenty…My personal Choice would be Claiborne but I have a feeling the organization will look to give Ponder a dominating LT to protect him.
    So I would not be against Kalil.

  81. By Geiber on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    sandiamond and who do you suggest we play instead?

  82. By sandiamond on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    It would be an open Competition at camp between Ponder, Webb and a newly acquired QB

  83. By TITANIUM TITUS on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    Yeah, Ponder will be a very good quarterback– he shoots to win and throws a few interceptions– sounds like a hall of famer we all watched and begged to play a second year for us. Stop the nonsense about Ponder– when we build a team around him, he won’t have to win the game at the last second every week.

  84. By Realskol4life on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    sandiamond that is stupid on 2 Accounts.

    1.Ponder is a lock to start. You don’t draft a QB 12th overall and then replace him the following year.

    2. Joe Webb? ROFL…stop Webb has no shot to ever be an NFL starting QB.

  85. By Geiber on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    Yea because Webb is a way better option, he’d play one game and you’d be saying bench him! Then we would go get some random like Jake Delhome and sign him for a year and what a waste of money that would be…

  86. By Realskol4life on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    Unless we make a trade for Peyton Manning or draft Robert Griffin III…Ponder will be our QB.

  87. By VikesOwn on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    omfg it better post my commment

  88. By VikesOwn on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    OUR SECONDARY COST US TOUCHDOWNS ON THOSE PLAYS. IT was not pomder. ponder almost threw for 400 yards yes he threw 2 picks but he is LEARING he gets better every game and that is a fact. OUR SECONDARY COST US OUR GAME.

  89. By vikingsfan1955 on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    @desertrviking I appreciate what u said but also think we are playing without ap and the coaches are trying different things and they seem to be close because with the team we have and with a rookie qb we are hanging in on every game and we are playing quality teams. I still yes the coaches have some work to do but also remember they also are in their first yr as the head of their positios and we are doing well with what we have. I’m optomistic about where we are heading and also they are keeping us in when we don’t have any super star recievers besides harvin and we are doing well. also kudo’s to gerheart for a big game. With ap out we are playing very well and not getting blownout I feel the secondary is killing us.

  90. By Pud Grand on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

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    Do the Super Bowl Stomp!
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  91. By Pud Grand on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

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  92. By vikingsfan1955 on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    no rosenfeld isn’t much better than mc nabb but every rookie needs a mentor and if u look at the choices till neeing work who else would you get atleast he has knowledge of the vikings and the offense since he has played for them.

  93. By Pud Grand on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    Back da Pack!

  94. By Geiber on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    Breaking News: The Minnesota Vikings released rookie QB C.Ponder for reasons stated by Vikings head coach Leslie Frazier, “Ponder just is not going to cut it, we expected him to throw for 300+ yds with 0 ints. and a 70% completion rate.” But coach it his first year, “so what if he didnt have any tainging camps, and sat on the bench the first five games, we expected him to be perfect right away.”

    LMAO! That’s what im getting from some of you so called “fans”!

  95. By Geiber on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    What the heck is Warner doing besides being an analyst, lets get him to come mentor Ponder.!

  96. By sandiamond on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    @Realskol4life …. Ponder a lock just because he was picked 12th? dumb statement. A great starting qb in the nfl is few and far between. I hope we don’t have an issue but nobody knows yet if Ponder is the guy

  97. By Regfan on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    The Vikings did remarkably well considering what they had to work with,if AP was Playing they would have won

  98. By DesertViking on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    @VikingFan1955,
    Not only is the secondary killing us, it’s the whole defense. I have never seen such poor effort late in games, horrible tackling, can’t get off the field on 3rd downs… to many to continue.

  99. By Geiber on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    @sandiamond If you draft a QB 12th overall you don’t give up on him after one season…So you said a great NFL qb is “few and far between” which is why you want to consider Webb as a QB and go higher some free agent. Or are you saying draft another QB next year right away, there is a great idea, let’s just take every QB in the draft his year, is that what you are proposing. The Vikings don’t need an amazing QB we need a solid QB, like a Cutler or Flacco. I believe we have that in Ponder. Otherwise the Vikings will have to wait till Roders has his baby boy.

  100. By vikingsfan1955 on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    @sandiamond what game were u watching, even the announcers were talking about how well ponder was doing under pressure. He made some nice throws and stayed in the pocket very well, and yes he made some rockie mistakes but he is improving as I said earlier I was not sold on him at first but now I’m on thye wagon. Answer this did he or did he not break rookie passing records today oooops u forgot that.

  101. By TheRealDon on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    SHUT DOWN CORNER IN THE 1ST ROUND..STILL HOPING CHRIS COOK COMES BACK..

  102. By VikesOwn on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    wow

  103. By vikemike on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    Guys Peyton Manning struggled terribly his rookie year and that was with training camp, so lets give Ponder some time to learn. But if the front office and coaching staff continue to roll out a terrible secondary, lousy O-Line, and no #1 WR, it doesn’t matter who is back there. I have seen high school teams with better DBs that what Minnesota has to offer. Gross!!

  104. By sandiamond on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    Just wait and see what happens Geiber. I realize Webb is probably not that guy either. I guarantee you the vikes will have another option at qb(draft or free agent) in case Ponder doesn’t work out

  105. By VikesOwn on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    WHY ISNT IT POSTING MY 5 COMMENTS I WROTE OMG

  106. By TheRealDon on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    EVERYBODY THAT IS ON PONDER CASE..K’ILL YOURSELF..ANY OTHER QB WOULD HAVE NOT BEEN ANY BETTER BEHIND THIS OLINE..WE GAVE UP 2 TD’S RIGHT AFTER SCORING..WHY BECAUSE OUR CORNERS..POINT BLANK..WITH A BETTER D WE WOULD HAVE WON TODAY’S GAME..SO K’ILL YOURSELF..HATE TO BE SO RUDE..

  107. By Geiber on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    Thank you VikeMike, if only everyone understood that.

  108. By vikingsfan1955 on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    @ fredrick jones this is very true and to fire a coach that hasn’t had atleast 2 yrs shows how desperate they would be. name me a coach that came in and won it all his first yr.

  109. By Geiber on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    I’m leaving…

  110. By VikesOwn on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    ponder? WILL IT LET ME AT LEAST POST THAT

  111. By VikesOwn on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    WTFFFCGDVCHDHBNDDJNDJKDCHJDSCBD C DC

  112. By Parody on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    Realskol4life – Please try to understand what your opposition is saying before you try to attack them. You obviously do not know what a “True #1 WR” is. Study up on it and you’ll understand my point. A brief overview: A True #1 WR is someone who excels at burning the long routes downfield, has the speed to outrun CBs, and has the height/leg strength to win the contest on most jump bälls.

    Harvin is a great WR, no question. But he does not have the mold to qualify him as a True #1. His best skills are his quickness and balance. He has the ability to change direction and make moves so well that defenders have trouble staying in front of him.

    However, he’s a shorter WR and doesn’t have the top-end speed to get past the coverage. This makes it much more difficult to complete the deep throw to him. Because of that, defenses are more comfortable keeping the box loaded to limit the short throws and running options.

    If we get a true #1 WR, it will open up a lot for both the passing and the running game.

  113. By DesertViking on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    How fitting that the only bright spots on this years team are individual stats, because everyone looks like they’re playing as individuals out there instead of a team.

  114. By VikesOwn on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    ponder is a true team leaders. he did amazing today he throw for almost 400 yards

  115. By VikesOwn on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    people who are saying he sucks is wrong. give him a break hes a rookies. i love watching ponder press conferences

  116. By Bigfan1 on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    I wonder if the Wilf’s will hire a general manager and if they’ll give Frazier another shot, somebody is accountable for this mess. Unless the Wilf’s don’t care about winning maybe they just care about a stadium in Arden Hills. I agree the Vikes played well to put up 32 pts and given Ponder’s first year, some analysts say he might be the best rookie qb this year. It was really pitiful when Frazier said the dbs can’t even run basic routes, where do they get these players, division I AA schools, they may need to target the mainstays in college football and not take chances on diamonds in the rough. I’d love to sit in on the coaches meetings.

  117. By VikesOwn on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    rookie*

  118. By Realskol4life on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    @Parody? Again are you stupid? Are you honestly saying Percy Harvin doesn’t have the skills to do that….Percy Harvin has never burned anyone, and can’t run out corners? So what happened last week when he scored on a deep route?
    Or today when he outran corners for 2 40+ yard tds??

    And for the love of god did you just Percy harvin doesn’t have top end speed??????????????????????????????????????????????

    either you’re trolling or have never watched a football game in your life, don’t address me until you get a clue son.

    Your post is just loaded with fail.

  119. By VikesOwn on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    wow it wont let me say ponders first name lol. ponder is a great guy he has skill. what we really need to do is draft cb and o line. our secondary is our biggst problem

  120. By Realskol4life on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    @Parody? Again are you stupid? Are you honestly saying Percy Harvin doesn’t have the skills to do that….Percy Harvin has never burned anyone, and can’t run out corners? So what happened last week when he scored on a deep route?
    Or today when he outran corners for 2 40+ yard tds??
    And for the love of god did you just imply Percy harvin doesn’t have top end speed??????????????????????????????????????????????
    either you’re trolling or have never watched a viking football game in your life, don’t address me until you get a clue son.
    Your post is just loaded with fail.

  121. By Mike B. on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    @Fred and Vikingsfan I have to disagree with you both. I don’t feel that Frazier should be retained and I don’t see it as panic. We need to clean sweep all of the past things with Childress. This weak secondary has been with us a lot longer than this year. He doesn’t impress me as someone that has a fire about what is happening to this team. That said I don’t think Frazier will be released this year. The Wilfs will be on the hook for Childress’s and Frazier’s Salary. I do agree with hiring a GM to righten this ship though. I just feel we would do well cleaning the entire coaching staff and going with a new GM and staff.

  122. By VikesOwn on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    im out peace guys. ponder will get better i see a good season next year!!

  123. By DuaneN on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    Toby is awesome. Just crushes people if he gets the chance. What’s not to like?

  124. By Mike B. on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    @Realskol4life Harvin doesn’t have the height to be a blue chip WR like a Randy Moss, TO or Calvin Johnson. He has the speed, but not the verticle height. We need Harvin in the middle break a tackle and go the distance, but he isn’t stretching the field.

  125. By Realskol4life on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    @MikeB…I guess Steve Smith isn’t a blue chip WR.

  126. By sandiamond on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    Realskol yes Percy has the skills but he is not the prototype playing the #1 wr position in the nfl. everyone knows that

  127. By YORTZME on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    Watching other teams play I have noticed many mistakes on our CB’s. Sad time in my life because I wish Asher Allen was back in the mix. I would rather see our CB’s making mistake’s along the line of pass interference because they wear playing too close to the WR’s. How often do you see our CB’s running hip to hip, swatting a ball or jumping a rout. How bad Cedric has been playing I’ll give him credit for the one broken up pass in the end zone. GOOD JOB Mr. Griffin! Yet only if we had the luxury of having you as a3rd string CB.

  128. By Realskol4life on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    btw Victor Cruz is 5’10…Hes 4th in the nfl in recieving yardage.

    Do i need to go on?

  129. By DuaneN on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    Harvin is great but he’s not a #1 WR. He obviously is the #1 right now, but he’s just not big enough.

  130. By sandiamond on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    name another one Realskol? that’s 1 ballclub out of 32

  131. By Realskol4life on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    I find it hard to take sand seriously because he thinks Joe Webb should be the VIkings future QB.

  132. By sandiamond on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    Keep adding slot receivers because you are doing a heck of a job big guy

  133. By Cali Packer Fan on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    ….and that’s how you win!!!!!!

  134. By YORTZME on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    Harivn is a Kick Returner and is used frequently as a RB. I think Hercules would even gets tired.

  135. By Realskol4life on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    Apparently you have to be 6’6 to be an NFL WR…

    Ok…I guess nobody told Victor Cruz,Steve Smith Wes Welker,Desean Jackson,Anquan Boldin,Roddy White…To name a few that because they are short they are not prototype no.1 WR…

    Btw Welker and Jackson are 1 and 2 in the nfl in recieving yardage and in the top ten in tds.

  136. By Realskol4life on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    Realskol4life on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply
    Apparently you have to be 6’6 to be an NFL WR…
    Ok…I guess nobody told Victor Cruz,Steve Smith Wes Welker,Desean Jackson,Anquan Boldin,Roddy White…To name a few that because they are short they are not prototype no.1 WR…
    Btw Welker and Smith***are 1 and 2 in the nfl in recieving yardage and in the top ten in tds.

  137. By Mike B. on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    @Realskol4life If you look at the panther’s draft picks they have continually attempted to get a wR even after drafting Smith in the third round. Large Fast WR extends the field keeps secondary back and way from the OL. That is not to say Smith or Harvin are great wR. Troy Williamson was to be our next Bluechip WR and that didn’t work so well. I am not so sure about this Webb talk either. I look at Webb and TJack as failed Chilly works in progress.

  138. By DesertViking on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    I think you guys are confusing outside wide-outs with #1 wide-outs. LOL

  139. By sandiamond on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    realskol you are lost. Wes Welker and Steve Smith have been slot receivers their whole career. Better check some rosters because Boldin, White and Jackson are TALLL

  140. By YORTZME on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    Point is Harvin is used with so many different types of plays. He is only human, Make him the #1 WR but don’t let him run Kickoffs back or line him up as a RB. I feel that would be a disservice to his ability.

  141. By Viking Joe on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    Ponder will have growing pains, people forget he’s just a rookie without much of a preseason, he’ll be fine. It was a heck of a game, who would of thought that it would be a shootout !!!

  142. By Viking-ology on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    Ponder made a few mistakes-but that is normal. He had a great passing game w/Harvin and Devin A. came around today. OL was terrible in the 1st half but improved in the 2nd half. Cedric Griffen should be benched-he has no idea what he is doing. Our secondary cost us the game.

  143. By Cali Packer Fan on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    Greg Jennings is only 5’11 and he’s better than all of them sorry a$$ Vikings receivers. Vikings just suck, no excuse.

  144. By Viking-ology on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    When you give up two TD’s in four plays-that is a problem. Ponder would take the Vikings down the field and score a TD, and Denver would score in two plays-secondary is pathetic.

  145. By CanadianVF on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    Wow, can’t believe that we have some Viking fans (?) who want to throw Ponder under the bus already. Tough crowd. I guess it is a good thing that we never drafted John Elway because you would have thrown him under the bus too in his first year and he would have never made it to the Hall of Fame. One reason I can still enjoy watching my team play is a bright spot like Ponder who I am really excited about, I think he is going to be a very good quarterback. I wanted to draft Tebow instead of Cook when we had the chance but this coaching staff would have had no idea how to use Tebow even if we had him. I love Tebow, but I am glad we have Ponder. Congratulations to Tebow and the Broncos, you continue to defy the critics and just win. Poor old John Fox is going to have to let you start again next week, because you won again this week. I hope you run the table and beat those Cheeseheads in the SuperBowl.

  146. By YORTZME on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    Mr Mike B. T Jack was never used as a WR. I can’t assume to help this coaching staff with their utilization of Webb. He did have a weak push off called against him today when he was acting like a WR. His practice sessions must be a jumble. GO here, run there, through hear, throw there, catch like this! This coaching staff must make up it’s mind on how to use him.

  147. By CaribooBill on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    I think all of you who are criticizing Ponder are wrong, but only time will tell. He is progressing very well. I think he is already a better QB than some of the other starting QB’s in the league (Orton, Grossman for example). This is what, his 6th start? Come on. The secondary was pitiful, but it’s also broken – Griffen was the only veteran and he’s coming off 2, count them, knee re-constructions. I’ve heard it said that you need a full year to get back up to speed after one of those. We are playing rookies and new-to-the-team players in the secondary, but they still should have played better. I think Musgrave (another rookie)is getting better, as well. Having said all that, we do need to get better on the O line and DB’s If you have a weakness, it drags down your whole team – it will be exploited until you fix it.

  148. By YORTZME on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    I have nothing but honorable words to say about Ponder. He got beat UP IN THAT FIRST HALVE. Then our OL line stepped up or the Denver D line got passive. Ponder still pass for over 350 yards. Good riddance Mcnabb. Sorry D- Nabb I never like the way you played. WE ARE BETTER OFF WITH SAGE. He cost’s less.

  149. By CanadianVF on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    I am all for Webb helping the team by standing on the sidelines and holding a clip board. Please stop this Wildcat ( or whatever the Vikings call it ) nonsense and disrupting a long drive by bringing that junk in. I realize we haven’t used it that much but really it is a waste of time. He is not better than any of our recievers, running backs , corners or whatever other position you think he could play because he can jump over things and is tall. If he is a reciever, then in the off season, ota’s, training camps use him exclusively in that position to see if he can cut it as wide reciever in the NFL. But for right now at this juncture of the season PLEASE GIVE IT A REST !

  150. By SoCalVike on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    Draft the “Honey Badger” from LSU……….Stud!

  151. By AdrianPonder on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    @ Fred Jones , include me in the HIRE A GENERAL MANAGER !!! club

  152. By Frederick Jones on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    HIRE A GENERAL MANAGER!!!

  153. By Frederick Jones on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    Dear AdrianPonder,

    Welcome to the HIRE A MANAGER!!!

  154. By sandiamond on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    @Fred Jones…. why do we have as many local scouts as national scouts? The talent in the nfl does not come from the state of Minnesota as it comes from all other states in the US!

  155. By Viking-ology on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    Our O-line in bad, but not the worst. Our secondary is the worst- if Cedric can’t cut it, bench him. Denver drove up and down the field in the 4th with Tebow. That is what lost this game for us.

  156. By Frederick Jones on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    @CanadianVF,

    Yes, the Vikings.com crowd is tough.

    Rather than fire and eliminate players and coaches, I am more in favor of
    adding a GM so that we can get our Power Bases organized for the the good of the team.

    Currently we have like a five-headed monster making the decisions, and I have a feeling Frazier isn’t even involved in some things!!! It’s a crazy way to run a football club. The Packers also ruled by committee for years until Lombardi took over. Before Lombardi they were losing almost every game.

    Sound familiar?

    YES, I DO KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT!!!

    HIRE A GENERAL MANAGER!!!

  157. By Frederick Jones on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    @RealSkor,

    I also think Joe Webb COULD become the Vikings #1 QB in the future.
    Ponder seems to be a good one, but you never can tell, especially w/o an
    offensive line and defensive backs.

    HIRE A GENERAL MANAGER!!!

  158. By Viking-ology on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    Vikes got conservative with their drive that resulted in ,a FG. They seemed content with that instead of trying for a TD. When is Frazier going to realize that the secondary couldn’t stop a college QB from scoring at will. WHAT A PATHETIC DISPLAY!

  159. By Viking-ology on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    Joe Webb is not a starting QB

  160. By Viking-ology on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    Ponder is doing fine-remember, he is playing with a huge disadvantage-the Vikings have a bad team w/suspect coaching.

  161. By Frederick Jones on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    @Mike B,

    I am not going to say you are wrong about Frazier. As fans we do not see
    and hear what coaches say to players. We don’t know how much, if any input the Coaches have with the draft, or what kind. There are too many unknowns for us.

    Getting rid of all of Childress ties??? That would probably involve about 20 to 40 Vikings employees!

    HIRE A GENERAL MANAGER is the only solution for us.

  162. By Frederick Jones on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    ___________________________________________________________

    Fire the coach strategies never worked for the historical Cardinals, Steelers, Packers, Patriots, etc. Look it up, most teams do not go to the Super Bowl without the same Head Coach over many, many years.

    Repeatedly firing the coach is the easiest way to lose in the NFL.

    _______________________________________________________________

  163. By Viking-ology on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    I thought the Vikes would win this one for the home crowd it was an entertaining game but the secondary let everyone down that upset me more than anything because that should not happen with Tebow but he drove down the field twice like there was no one in the backfield.

  164. By DRS on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    When will the Vikings get a player who can cover the other team’s receivers?

    When will the Vikings get O-Lineman and when will the Vikings get a GM?

  165. By Viking-ology on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    I agree with Mike B.we need to clean house-no more Chilly leftovers. Coaching staff needs to go.

  166. By Viking-ology on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    Frazier was givin the coaching job because Chilly was fired during the season-I don’t think he would have gotten the job if Chilly lasted the whole season.

  167. By DRS on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    We need a defense that can stop the other team from scoring more points than us!

    When will the Vikings stop making dumb mistakes, when will they start play like pro’s and not the like the practice team they are now?

    When will the Vikings become a team and not a bunch of over paid under achieving football players? When will the coaches teach their players discipline on and off the field? Or are our coaches unable to teach at all? Is it not time to look at what this team is doing and think about a new way of doing things?

    Nothing more to say but Good night too one and all,

    peace

  168. By Viking-ology on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    Vikings organization needs to do a complete coaching anylasis to find a competent coach with a clear desire to change the way the Vikings play football. Someone willing to take the bull by the horns and install a new system before it’s too late.

  169. By CanadianVF on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    We would not have to keep firing the coach if we went out, spent some money and brought in a proven coach with a winning track record. You know someone who has been a head coach and who has won. But no instead we keep hoping there is diamond in the rough that we will discover and who is cheap and will lead us to the promised land.

  170. By Nicholas on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    I was very impressed with Ponder in Today’s game and his presser as well.

    I’m still in full support of Frazier/Ponder…I think we really do have a bright future.

    @ Fred Jones —-Also: HIRE A GENERAL MANAGER!!!!!

  171. By Viking-ology on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    The problem with Frazier is-this team is really only a few playmakers away from being a very good team. Frazier should be coaching a team that needs a few years to develop, just like Scwartz is doing in Detroit. We need a coach who can come in a straighten out this team NOW!

  172. By Viking-ology on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    Would it be too much for a coach with a winning pedigree to come to Minnesota and do what no other coach in over 50 years hasn’t done. I am fed up with average coaching.

  173. By Viking-ology on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    Minnesota Vikings-the doormat of the NFC North-two years running!

  174. By Viking-ology on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    Look at it this way fellow bloggers-when the season is over, this Vikings team will have the worst record in Viking history. Zigi PLEASE CLEAN HOUSE!!!

  175. By Viking-ology on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    I really wanted Ponder to win one for the home crowd. I’m sure he’s really disapointed.

  176. By Viking-ology on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    disappointed

  177. By vlad19 on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    You know, I voiced my opinion about Ponder BECAUSE what I see as silly praise and the redundant excuse “He is a rookie making rookie mistakes”.

    I have been very vocal about NO O-Line since last year….. not new news.

    I have been very vocal about NO receivers, Bernard Berrian is a #3 guy in semi-pro (and it took them two years too long to be rid of him), everything after him is only practice squad except for Harvin, – AND HARVIN IS AN “H” BACK, SLOT GUY, NOT A WR.

    So with these redundant comments we still must play in the NOW – and Ponder threw for almost 400 yards…. great, but the critical plays that took points off the board for us and DIRECTLY put 7 points on for Denver were Ponders doing…. bad decisions, not bad execution. You don’t protect the ball on 3rd and goal? You throw a 7 yd curl (with swing receiver open) and try and squeeze one into tight and complete coverage?

    Make no interpretation of my points – it is simple, Ponder is NOT as good as some of the happy fans are suggesting .just because he threw for 380 and 3 TDs… His reads are not very good, (even though he has some abysmally bad receivers still) and his arm strength is a question if he can’t set and throw – and that set and throw is a luxury with the line we have.

    The sum of parts is this – Ponder is not as good as some of us hope, he surely isn’t as good as some here post. But he is a capable young guy who has possibility. I am FAR from sold as some fans seem to be. Get him a line and see what he can do – I vote yes on that – but I still remark on the truth as I see it. Ponder is pretty average, and nothing to be excited about.

  178. By vikingsfan1955 on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    people think before you speak please, we have given away 2 super bowl winning coache haqve you thought about thjat and can you tell me one that won it their first yr with the new team. It takes time to get the player you want and I will bet as said before that they will not let frazier make his own decissions and trust me Dungy and Timlison does where they are and if we let frazier go someone will pick him up and when he wins else where you will be crying the blue. So give him time becasue he haqs a lot of damage from the chiily era to deal with.

  179. By FanNoMatterWhat on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    coaching and qb = 2 most difficult jobs in the nfl.

    all of which on the vikings have had less than a year to get their feet wet.

    give it some time – our younger players like ponder will be much improved and gelled with the coaches and systems by next year.

    everyone was writing that was the beginning of a rebuilding phase for the vikes

    last year was “all in”.

    our salary cap was maxed out, brett favre was gone, our oline still a mess, and our secondary continues to be plagued by injuries and now legalities off the filed.

    frazier gave this team a shot at competing for something more and pulled the plug when ponder was ready to start his on the filed learning and/or frazier realized the vikes werent going anywhere.

    he also made some progress on the salary cap and made the team younger.

    on first and goal from the three with no timeouts and a little over a minute less in the game i cant understand why any coach would not let the other team score and im sure frazier knows that was a mistake.

    just as ponder admitted he made a mistake or two in the game.

    but if you watch some of rodgers’ first games or billicheck’s first games in the league you’ll see stupid mistakes as well.

    they are rookies.

    relax everybody.

    ponder, ap, harvin, rudolph, etc will be with us for 5 plus years moving forward.

    we haven’t had that kind of talent, including a franchise qb, for that long ever IMO

  180. By Viking-ology on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    Vlad19 Ponder made mistakes, but the secondary is what lost the game. Give Ponder a good o-line and have a decent secondary and the Vikes win that game by 14.

  181. By Parody on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    Okay realskol, let me dumb it down for you, since you refuse to try to understand what makes a True #1 WR. How many catches does Harvin have that are 20+ yards deep? Not 20+ total yards, but 20+ yards before he touches them. It’s very few, because he’s not that type of receiver. His skills and size make him best used and most effective as a slot receiver, where he can catch short throws (10 yards or fewer downfield) and then make some sick moves to turn them into big gains…like the two TDs he had tonight.

    Without a True #1 WR, it is more difficult for him to shine. Defenses put more effort into covering the short routes knowing that they don’t need to worry so much about being burned by that True #1 WR. Despite that, Harvin is still such a great player that he is often able to look great without it. But he, the running game, and the rest of the passing game is hurting nonetheless because of it.

    Now you can go ahead and sling more insults at me because you don’t understand the terminology of the NFL, but it will only convince me and many others that you are the one who is lacking in intelligence.

  182. By Viking-ology on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    Vikingsfan1955 I disagree with you on Frazier-it was his defense that we had with Chilly and it’s still the same D now. As far as Dungy goes-he had Peyton Mannning and still only won one SB. Tomlin won because he was handed a great team from Cohwer.(But, I will admit he is still winning)

  183. By Parody on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    Maybe this article will help drive the point home: http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/05/the-importance-of-a-true-no-1-receiver-in-the-n-f-l/

  184. By Viking-ology on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    Parody is right we need a deep threat. We should have picked up Brandon LLoyd. Devin A. will be that much better when we have a true #1. Havin is awesome to watch!

  185. By Joe F on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    @vikingsfan1955
    We actually had 3 super bowl winning coaches leave our team they were Bileck(Ravens) Dungy (Colts) and Tomlinson(Steelers). Why the Vikings don’t see the talent they have on staff and let them go is beyond me. It must be the lack of a GM. Right Fred? I think both Dungy or Bileck would make a great GM for this team.

  186. By Viking-ology on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    This draft will be huge for Minny. I hope they make the right moves…

  187. By Parody on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    FYI – you can verify my claims by checking out the video feeds from this website. It shows both of Harvin’s TD plays. The 52-yard pass was thrown to him about 8-yards downfield and he took it the rest of the way for the score. The 48-yarder was caught at about 3-yards past the Line of scrimmage. Most other replays of his big moments will show similar types of plays.

  188. By Viking-ology on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    Maybe it’s gonna take being this bad to aquire some real difference makers in the draft. I would also like to add the I am displeased that we are talking about the draft at this point of the season!

  189. By Viking-ology on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    Oh yeah and Billick had the greatest D of all time.

  190. By Viking-ology on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    In my opinion we need to clean house. Have Fran Tarkinton as GM with Jeff Fischer as head coach. Get a new defensive scheme and a creative offense. I’m done for tonight-peace SKOL

  191. By Parody on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    Need some more proof? Look at Percy’s game stats. Last year, the only 2-games where he averaged more than 16-yards per catch were the first and last of the 4-games that Moss was playing across the field from him. With Rice in 2009, he had 5-games where he averaged more than 16 ypc. This year? He was only able to do it once, today. Does that sound like a trend?

  192. By FanNoMatterWhat on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    yes, it sounds like a trend of playing on a bad team with no qb

  193. By vikingsfan1955 on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    lmao I guess the video shows that a lot of u are wrong about harvin. I’m big on him and with help coming as another good reciever we can strech the field and help ap.

  194. By JB on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    Ponder is a work in progress! But he is the future! Get him an O-Line and maybe a receiver. Justin blackmon from OSU! Just a Man among boys right there

  195. By vlad19 on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    GREAT point Parody — those who wish to rain praise on Ponder, have your fun, but you consider Parody’s points – Harvin, 2 TDs and all of 12 yards downfield throws, and 100 yds of “pass and catch” TDs…. and then let’s look at that Tony Gonzalez style grab Kyle Rudolph made over the head of the defender…. THAT was misplaced pass and picked off by most talented D-backs in the league…. so there are “Ponder’s” three TDs and about 110 of his 381 yds passing….

    Are you so sure Ponder was good after reflecting on these truths?

  196. By Parody on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    I wouldn’t be disappointed in the least if we get Blackmon. Outside of him being the best receiver in this year’s class, he looks to be a model citizen too. I just recently watched a stint on ESPN that showed him changing the life of a little girl who was going through cancer. That would definitely be a nice change to the off-field news we hear about guys like Chris Cook and Everson Griffen.

  197. By Parody on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    vlad – You appear to be twisting my words. My intent was not to shoot down Ponder. I agree, he didn’t perform spectacularly today. But it’s far too early in his career to expect him to be playing like one of the best QBs in the NFL. Let’s not forget that the 381 yards is a team record for a rookie QB. That creates a nice foundation to build from. He’s a smart, humble and competitive player. Give him time and watch how he improves.

  198. By vlad19 on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    I also have been screaming about a needed talent at WR — had big conflict of opinion with Wobs ont he point – HE thought Berrian was “good” in terms of value….. Never understood that kind of thinking, if a guy is bad, who cares how cheaply he is playing in his last year of contract?

    But Vikes had a great offense as long as they have had large talent at WR…. as long as they have had practice squad talent, years of Bobby Wade… Bethel Johnson….. Marcus Johnson…… Robert Feguson…. we always we average because we had a great defense. But as for an offensive grouping, it has been only ONE year, with Rice in 09, otherwise you gotta go back LONG way, Carter and MOss.

    So O-line and a couple REAL WRs and we can be back in competition. Fix defenseive secondary and we are only dreaming, cuz that ain’t happeneing. CAN’T solve all three….. not reallistic unfortunately. Gotta pick your poison, can’t have it all.

  199. By Jimmy on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    Alright, lets take some things into consideration:

    1. The lockout. This team met for the first time with a new coaching staff and a new system.

    2. Injuries. AP out 2 weeks, winfield out for the season. Idiot Chris Cook arrested. We had PRACTICE SQUAD players in our secondary today.

    This team will be better with a full off-season together. Mini camps, OTAs will do this team some good. They’ll get it together.

    THE VIKES WILL BE BACK!

  200. By jim on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    I keep hearing how smart ponder is. Not too smart throwing the game away eh?

  201. By vlad19 on Dec 4, 2011 | Reply

    No, I was not twisting your words, I was utilizing your remarks to assert MY point. And I am NOT a Ponder basher, I am just righting the balance of conversation. Ponder is average, his reads are horrible. HORRIBLE, and he has paid severe consequences because of it. WHY I am on this point as I am is because of all the forgiveness I am reading here, and all the overspoken “high achievement” Ponder had…. He was as bad as he was good, people. Rookie or not.

    I understand and actually espouse the “give him time” methodology, but I speak of what I witness not what I hope. He was not good YET as far as I have seen of him. Today he was not “good” either. But there has been this level of forgiveness, yet if he rolls out and give up the pocket too soon, (which he is readily apt to do), he abandons half the field, and that is not “good”. They have play action scheme to get him outside the pocket, but he also abandons it too quickly when he doesn’t need…. and he doesn’t pick up blitzes effectively. His hot read NEEDS to get better, and he will be healthier for it too!

    So aside from Rudolph and Harvin making his stats look good, Ponder was pretty average otherwise. I don’t read that much here. And the danger of zeal is we slack on a critical review. Ponder is capable talent, but NOT good right now. I will buy in when I see him making better decisions. Then I will see a “good QB”.

  202. By FanNoMatterWhat on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    you can diminish what ponder did today all you want but mcnabb was not able to do what ponder did today and he is a seasoned vet who is on the cusp of making the hof some day.

  203. By Parody on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    Fair enough Vlad…but a lot of good QBs would be a lot worse if they didn’t have good players around them.

    Watch Ponder’s pressers. It’s clear that he knows he has a long ways to go, and a lot to learn yet, but it’s also clear that he’s willing and eager to learn it. This stuff isn’t figured out overnight. Give him time and we’ll see how much he is capable of in a few years.

  204. By Jimmy on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    Mini Camps, OTAs. Again, a full off-season will do this team good.

  205. By vlad19 on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    Guys, Parody, make no mistake, I am NOT a Ponder basher, but I am settling this crazy talk down of how “good” Ponder was…. There is TON lacking in the guy’s game to point to MORE than “rookie”…. reading defenses is pretty important, all the “good ones” are pretty natural on that level. Ponder gets suckered and is pretty committed to a receiver BEFORE the play….. that is sure to harm a guy, and a dead give away the guy is NOT there. But that is not what a lot of this blog was doing…. he had players make him look good today! And this from a not very good football team!

    To the comparison someone made with McNabb – you are right, McNabb is on his way to HOF, but the guy had no patience for the Offense this guy was getting from Musgrave, from gameplanning to talent on the field. He mailed it in, it was NOT what McNabb can or cannot do, he KNEW he couldn’t make this team good. He took a shortcut out at near 40 years old. VERY UNprofessional? You bet. But because Ponder threw for a bunch of yards, “fannomatterwhat” you prove my point, even with 381 yds he did NOTHING more than McNabb. Lost another game. They BOTH are now 1-5!

  206. By vlad19 on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    And the last thing you will get from me is any kind of defense of this team regards to talent – O-line is embarrassment. I would LOVE to be in film room after watching Charlie “Brown” Johnson…. Loadholt…. Sullivan….. pathetic. And TEs block like Girl Scouts! Agreed these guys make it impossible to be a good offense, no question.

    Our patheitc WR group…. You see how patheitc? Webb and Burton, both practice squad talent, one actual practice squad player, and they are on the field of a NFL game in week 12?????? Speilman and Studwell et al NEED to lose their jobs….

  207. By Parody on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    Burton showed some promise today. You never know, he could be a late-round gem. And as far as Webb, the team needs to commit him to a position so he can move beyond the practice squad talent. He has all the physical attributes. If he can add in some football skills (running routes and catching tough throws) he can become a valuable member of the WR corps too.

  208. By Garrett on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    I don’t know how this vlad character can draw such huge conclusions about Ponder already….I am going to be so glad when he molds into a great QB. Go suck eggs vlad. Ponder has heart and skill to back it.

  209. By vlad19 on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    Leave it to guys like Garrett to break down civil discussion about football into a personal attack – hey walnut read my posts, ALL my posts and you will understand the point – but that is not what you want to do, you would rather puke off the cuff.

    YOU speak in intangibles, I speak from what I witness and what I know of the game – played it and coached it in my time. Everybody was so loving Ponder after TWO HUGE intercetions that basically cost the game cause he had 381 yards and three TDs (thank you Percy & Rudolph) and a fumble that in itself would have put 3 sure points up.

    YOU want a Ponder doll, fine, but I am calling it like I see it – he and McNabb are both 1-5 with the same team – a bad team. And all the high praise for Ponder is overstatement like I have never seen. He lost this game – if you wish to discount his interceptions and BAD decisions and NOT protecting the ball —– ALL marks of a GOOD QB if he does not deposit the ball where it shouldn’t be —- so be it. You are free to like a guy cause he wears nice hats if you like. Free country.

    BUT, because the kid is affable and humble does not make him a good QB, performance does, and all the hype on this blog was talking so well of how GOOD he was… he is not, he is average at best and rookie mistakes to boot. I didn’t conclude a career from this game, YOU did. He has hope cause he has some tools, but LONG way from “good”.

    Now go buy your Ponder action figure.

  210. By vlad19 on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    I agree Parody, Burton shows some hope, sure. Webb has some incredible athletic abilities, no question. I am not underselling the POSSIBILITIES these guys bring, I am simply speaking of how badly our Organization has prepared to play football in the present. NO receivers when you have to be tapping practice squad the way we have the last couple years — Jaymar Johnson, Greg Lewis, et al… and our free agent acquisitions have been no better… Hank Baskett, Todd Pinkston….

    And here we are TODAY suiting up guys like Aromadoshu as our #1 and Burton our #2, and a guy named Camarillo whose feet don’t even touch the grass anymore…. Large chasm between what Vikes sport as wide receivers and what the rest of the league suits up.

    Look at Green Bay – you want talent scouting? Jordy Nelson, Jennings, Driver, Cobb, James JOnes, Jermichael Finley……. You wonder HOW they got so darn good? Talent. While we pick through rummage sales and practice squad. And then HOPE. Not good organizational practice. We are bad because of it! Studwell and Speilman have outlived their usefulness.

  211. By Bigfan1 on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    Aromadoshu looked real good and Burton (offense). The pick at the end and poor defense in the second half lost this game. The defense didn’t show up the second half.

  212. By UKvikesfan on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    @ vlad- some of your points r valid but personally i think u being way too harsh on Ponder. name any recent rookie QB showing as much promise ( notice i say promise) as he has showed us. a QB is only as good as the team around him. i and everyone else shud reserve judgement on Ponder till he has a OL he is comfortable in and one he knows isnt gonna get split open like a knife through butter forcing him on the run and out of the pocket

  213. By PureV1king on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    JOE WEBB JOE WEBB JOE WEBB JOE WEBB JOE WEBB JOE WEBB JOE WEBB JOE WEBB JOW WEBB JOE WEBB………yeah…BRING IN JOE!

  214. By hippster on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    why in the world do you throw the ball with 55 seconds left in a tied game ?if that call came from fraziers lips it proves once againthis guy is not ready to coach in this leauge.this turd needs to be flushed

  215. By Regfan on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    Make Joe Webb and AP Wide recievers

  216. By Jon Bernreuter on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    Joe Webb should be your current and future quarterback. He is a better football player than Ponder, and honestly probably better than most of the rest of the guys on your 2 win football team. Practice squad talent? Why the hate? What on earth has he done to wrong you? He’s hardly ever even on the field. Which is exactly why you guys are losing all the time. So I guess get used to it? Go Blazers!

  217. By wacky on Dec 5, 2011 | Reply

    all we need is a team plane crash and then we can start over for real!!!!!!!

  218. By vikeforever on Dec 6, 2011 | Reply

    According to the Coach they are fighting and not simply letting teams beat them. I agree, I ddnt expect much from a team with no good protection a rookie qb and a defense that is good but cannot protect a lead or make a stop when needed -thrown in there is also a coach making rookie mistakes-going for a psss had to be called by the coach and letting the Broncos run off the clock when they should have let them score so they get the ball back with some time
    all this cannot compute to a win in any league. we are getting the 2nd pick in the draft that is all to it. I will continue to support the Vikes!

  219. By James on Dec 7, 2011 | Reply

    Here are somethings that i think:
    1. No offence but coach needs to be new.
    2. Keep a rookie like Ponder in its not his fault he lost its Only like his 4th game.
    3. We need a Better pass and field goal defence.

  220. By James on Dec 8, 2011 | Reply

    I dislike Joe alot and all he does is run, Ponder can do Bolth

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