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Recent History Suggests There Is Still Plenty On The Line For Vikings

Posted by Mike Wobschall on November 30, 2011 – 10:22 am

Sitting at 2-9 and with plenty of shortcomings suppressing the team’s ability to display improvement, many are inclined to castaway the Vikings final 5-game stretch of the 2011 season as a meaningless period of time. But a quick stroll down memory lane suggests that there still is plenty on the line for the Vikings as they begin the final stretch of the season, a stretch that includes 3 of the final 5 games at home.

In the 2002 season, which was Mike Tice’s first full season as Head Coach, the Vikings limped out of the gates to a 0-4 start and eventually wound up sitting at 3-10 after 13 weeks. But, just as Leslie Frazier’s team has done this year, that Vikings team didn’t quit on the season. They finished strong by collecting wins in their final 3 contests, knocking two teams – the New Orleans Saints and Miami Dolphins – out of playoff contention along the way.

The benefit of playing hard and not surrendering at the end of the 2002 season paid dividends even in 2003 for the Vikings. With the 9th overall pick in the 2003 draft, the Vikings selected DT Kevin Williams, and then in the 2nd round they pounced on LB E.J. Henderson. Add WR Nate Burleson (3rd round) to a mix that also included Matt Birk, Cory Chavous, Daunte Culpepper, Jim Kleinsasser and Randy Moss, and the Vikings were off to a 6-0 start the following season.

Had the Vikings simply given up at the end of the 2002 season, would the same events have unfolded? Perhaps. But probably not. If the Vikings continue to play hard for the final 5 games of this season and find a way to rattle off a few wins, will the same kind of success follow in 2012? It’s not a guarantee, but it only increases the probability.

The point is not to sweep the underachieving results of 2011 under the rug. No one, from people within Winter Park to the passionate fans that allocate their time, emotion and money to the team, expected or deems acceptable the results of this season. But the key for the Vikings now is not what happened earlier. The key is to fix it and make sure the 2012 season is as exciting as the 2011 season was disappointing.


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67 Responses to “Recent History Suggests There Is Still Plenty On The Line For Vikings”

  1. By Shawn on Nov 30, 2011 | Reply

    Im interested in that S-Jarrad Page …. he has started several games and may have been a scapegoat in Philly for the poor defensive playcalling by the OL coach they made a DC

  2. By Shawn on Nov 30, 2011 | Reply

    I havent givin up on coaching … when you have no talent on the OL or in the secondary its hard to win games

    Whose picking talent because they are failing …. we havent hit on a second round pick since …. ?

    Loadholt … might be a good run blocker but cant pass block to save a life

    Cook …. tough guy who is in court more than on the field ( tough guy is sarcasm )

    Tyrell Johnson … AWFULL

    Gerhart … not his fault but really he doesnt do anything. hes got what 30 carries and 10 catches ?

    OK OK Kyle Rudolph looks good

  3. By Frederick Jones on Nov 30, 2011 | Reply

    @Shawn,

    You seem to think the same way that I do.

    Join the four people who chant:

    HIRE A GENERAL MANAGER
    HIRE A GENERAL MANAGER!
    HIRE A GENERAL MANAGER!!!

  4. By Frederick Jones on Nov 30, 2011 | Reply

    :) :) :( THE VIKINGS NEED TO HIRE A GENERAL MANAGER WHO KNOWS FOOTBALL.

    DENNIS GREEN

    DENNIS GREEN DOES NOT BELIEVE THE HYPE, HE WILL GET US THE PLAYERS WHO WILL MAKE THE boring PLAYS.

    BLOCKING
    TACKLING
    COVERING GUYS

    DENNIS GREEN KNOWS THOSE THINGS ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT TO WINNING FOOTBALL GAMES.

    PASS AND CATCH
    SPECTACULAR RUNS

    DO NOT NEVER EVER TAKE PLACE WITHOUT WINNING THE
    BATTLE OF THE TRENCHES.

    boring? Go watch Soccer!

  5. By Frederick Jones on Nov 30, 2011 | Reply

    I am not saying that the coaches, VPs, or players shouldn’t be fired.

    We need to HIRE A GENERAL MANAGER to get the inside scoop and do
    some of those things if necessary.

    Is Dennis Green the right man for the job?

    Well he is a MUCH BETTER than we have right now, which is NOTHING!!!

  6. By Frederick Jones on Nov 30, 2011 | Reply

    THE HEAD COACH SHOULD HAVE FINAL SAY ON ALL PERSONNEL MOVES, EXCEPT WHEN HE IS PUTTING FINANCIAL STRAIN ON THE FRANCHISE.

  7. By JoeWebb Show on Nov 30, 2011 | Reply

    great teams have great management, we have never drafted consistently, where the packers have built their teams through the draft, we need a GM who knows the game and can build a team around ponder. We will have great picks this yea, make the most of em!!

  8. By Frederick Jones on Nov 30, 2011 | Reply

    A constant complaint by bloggers since the Childress regime is the calling of 4th down plays, and also decisions on whether to throw the red flag.

    Are these complaints ALL legit? Well some are of course.

    But the coach has to do a lot more than those two things, and if we had a winning team, I’m betting we make some of those 4th down plays. And the red flag plays become much less crucial.

  9. By Frederick Jones on Nov 30, 2011 | Reply

    HIRE A GENERAL MANAGER!!!

  10. By Frederick Jones on Nov 30, 2011 | Reply

    DENNIS GREEN WAS UNDERATED. WINNING DOES NOT JUST HAPPEN!!!

  11. By Frederick Jones on Nov 30, 2011 | Reply

    @JOE WEBB SHOW,

    I love your blogger name. I say let Joe in the game as a quarterback. Give him some experience for next year. It will also give the new GENERAL MANAGER the opportunity to evaluate this position better.

    May I add you to the HIRE A GENERAL MANAGER club? Currently we have only 5 official members.

    Derrick G.
    Dave
    TheRealDon
    Mike B.
    Frederick

  12. By Shawn on Nov 30, 2011 | Reply

    Jarrad Page … have you looked at his numbers? Has been a starter since his second season except 1 year with the Patriots who had a pro bowl safety in Merriweather that season

    http://www.vikings.com/team/roster/Jarrad-Page/a0594164-1996-44e7-b64a-9b1e66641ad3

    Im thinking / maybe hoping hes an upgrade. He has had a 4 INT season we havent seen that since …. when?

  13. By Garrett on Nov 30, 2011 | Reply

    I can’t believe people think Joe Webb is good. His accuracy is terrible and his decision making is even worse. All he thinks about as soon as the ball is snapped is how soon can I run with it. That is a not QB’s mentality. Ponder is a great QB that just has really bad OL and receivers except Percy Harvin. Enough with this Joe Webb garbage.

  14. By Shawn on Nov 30, 2011 | Reply

    I cant wait to see Page play …

  15. By guiliano on Nov 30, 2011 | Reply

    @garrett are you kidding me he is like tebow everyone says (including me) that his accuracy r lack their of is awful and it is but he still get’s WWWWWWWW’s!!!!!!!!!!

  16. By Derrick.G on Nov 30, 2011 | Reply

    HIRE A GENERAL MANAGER
    HIRE A GENERAL MANAGER
    HIRE A GENERAL MANAGER
    HIRE A GENERAL MANAGER

    I hear the Bengals have been screaming for one as well…

  17. By Derrick.G on Nov 30, 2011 | Reply

    With Webb and Tebow, what are they gonna do if their knee gets blown out? They age and cant really run or something? They slow down, and running will become ineffective and they will have to start throwing the ball, which wont work for either of them, cause they have shown they arent good passers. Use Webb as a WR train him in the offseason, Tebow…Who cares hes not on our team.

  18. By Derrick.G on Nov 30, 2011 | Reply

    Look at McNabb…He cant run anymore, and now his passing skills are really starting to show their ugly head.

  19. By Bill on Nov 30, 2011 | Reply

    @Frederick Jones, make that 6 for a new GM… I for one would like to see former Viknings offensive Coordinator (1992-1998) Brian Billick as our new GM!!!!!

  20. By Lost Viking on Nov 30, 2011 | Reply

    A little odd that Manny Arceneaux hasn’t had the opportunity to be activated. We’ve lost Berrian and Jenkins. Could there be a contractural reason for keeping him on the practise roster?

  21. By VegasVike on Nov 30, 2011 | Reply

    I think Webb is a waste of talent on the bench but I also think Ponder should get the nod as starting QB…. Therefore Webb should get some reps at WR, the position he played in college!

  22. By Twoodsnvikes on Nov 30, 2011 | Reply

    After getting rid of McJoke, “stonehands” Berrian, McFatty, and Shiancoe we are going to have a lot of cap space to be aggressive in FA. Which one of these draft/FA combinations would you most like to see from the Vikes assuming feasibility? (Also based on the assumption of the 2nd or third pick and a compensatory 4th round for Edwards and Rice)
    Option 1:
    First Round Matt Kalil OT
    Second Round Kelechi Osemele OG
    Third Round Marvin McNutt WR Trade down for extra fourth round
    Fourth Round Donnie Fletcher SS
    Fourth Round Josh Robinson CB
    Fourth Round Ryan Broyles WR Compensatory
    Free Agent Laron Landry SS
    Free Agent Cortland Finnegan CB
    Option 2:
    First Round Michael Flloyd/Justin Blackmon WR Trade down for extra second round
    Second Round Xavier Rhodes CB trade down for extra 3rd round
    Second Round Markelle Martin FS
    Third Round Lucas Nix OG
    Third Round Coby Fleener TE
    Fourth Round Antonio Allen SS
    Fourth Round Ryan Broyles WR Compensatory
    Free Agent Kareem McKenzie OT
    Free Agent Tyvon Branch CB
    Option 3:
    First Round Morris Claiborne CB Trade down for extra second round
    Second Round Kelechi Osemele OG
    Second Round Markelle Martin FS
    Third Round Nate Potter OT Trade down for extra fourth round
    Fourth Round Antonio Allen SS
    Fourth Round Donnie Fletcher CB
    Fourth Round Ryan Broyles WR Compensatory
    Free Agent Tracy Porter CB
    Free Agent Dwayne Bowe WR
    Option 4:
    First Round David Decastro OG Trade down for extra second
    Second Round Xavier Rhodes CB
    Second Round Mark Barron SS
    Third Round Coby Fleener TE
    Fourth Round Devier Posey WR
    Fourth Round Jeff Fuller WR Compensatory
    Free Agent Tracy Porter CB
    Free Agent Kareem McKenzie OT

  23. By VA Vike Fan on Nov 30, 2011 | Reply

    Atleast the NBA is back and atleast I’m a Spurs fan. My Vikes are becoming unbearable to even watch anymore. The play and coaching combined are just pathetic. Tebow will look like Elway in Denver against our secondary. smh

  24. By DRS on Nov 30, 2011 | Reply

    http://bleacherreport.com/tb/bcasC

  25. By 61vikings on Nov 30, 2011 | Reply

    @ Fred Jones
    Dennis Green?? Interesting choice, but I think he would be a great choice for GM because he is a great evaluator of talent!! He was the only one to take a chance on Randy Moss and we saw how that turned out!! Vikes should have won the SuperBowl his rookie year!! He would probably bring in his buddy Brian Billick to coach the team!!

  26. By Shawn on Nov 30, 2011 | Reply

    @Mike Wobschall … the presser cut out at around 4 minutes. can you re-upload it or just fix it please

  27. By Twoodsnvikes on Nov 30, 2011 | Reply

    VIKES FANS: DON’T GIVE UP HOPE ON THE NUMBER ONE PICK, PEYTON IS GOING TO BE BACK THIS SEASON TO FIGHT FOR HIS JOB, THEY CAN EASILY WIN THEIR LAST 3 GAMES IF HE IS BACK AND BAM WE HAVE THE NUMBER ONE PICK, WE TRADE IT FOR A TON OF OTHER PICKS AND WIN 10 SUPER BOWLS STRAIGHT WE ARE THE BEST

  28. By Shawn on Nov 30, 2011 | Reply

    the frazier presser that is … i have givin up listening to anyone else

  29. By Tyler Harris on Nov 30, 2011 | Reply

    Frederick ill join the GM Club.

  30. By Lou Betts on Nov 30, 2011 | Reply

    Lou Betts will also join the GM club. There is no doubt, this team needs help in a big way.

  31. By VegasVike on Nov 30, 2011 | Reply

    Dennis Green? He’s who we thought he was…

  32. By Troutdaddy on Nov 30, 2011 | Reply

    Billick would make for an interesting GM, but better yet, hire him as the coach! Frazier is not who we thought he was, period…. Dennis Green- been there, done that. No more recycled staff for the Vikes, please! (Billick is the exception here) Fresh perspectives would be nice. @Twoodsnvikes- wow, maybe we should have you run the draft for the Vikes! Nice plan there dude. I really like some of your choices. Take note of that Zyggi…

  33. By Dionte on Nov 30, 2011 | Reply

    im joining the GM club also

  34. By Dionte on Nov 30, 2011 | Reply

    Seriously though I don’t think they understand how we feel or how serious this is…

  35. By rye on Nov 30, 2011 | Reply

    Next year, all you people complaining about frazier are going to eat your words.

    Now that the vikings have a long term QB, they can focus on much needed areas of improvement like the OL and defensive secondary.

    Vikes will be back in contention next season.

  36. By Parody on Nov 30, 2011 | Reply

    The benefit of playing hard and not surrendering at the end of the 2002 season paid dividends even in 2003 for the Vikings…(drafting Willams, Henderson & Burleson)…
    Had the Vikings simply given up at the end of the 2002 season, would the same events have unfolded? Perhaps. But probably not. If the Vikings continue to play hard for the final 5 games of this season and find a way to rattle off a few wins, will the same kind of success follow in 2012? It’s not a guarantee, but it only increases the probability.

    That is some of the worst reasoning I have ever seen! If, in 2002, we lost all the remaining games, our draft selection would have been higher and we would have had an even better crop of players to choose from. The same is the case now. There is no way that any number of wins at the end of this season will increase our probability of winning in the future!

    The closest thing you can build for an argument against that is that the wins at the end of the season can build experience and confidence going into next season…but that is overrated.

    You can build experience while still finding a way to lose. Many people would say that you learn more from losing anywayws. Confidence can be attained through OTAs and the preseason. Any confidence gained at the end of this season is likely to fizzle out long before the beginning of next season anyways.

  37. By Parody on Nov 30, 2011 | Reply

    Twoods – Is it possible for Peyton to get back this year? I never looked into it, but I got the impression he was on IR long enough that it exculded the possibility of him returning to an active roster now. But it would be fun to see the team turn things around and learn to win again after getting the one player on the team who has skill back on the active roster.

  38. By Parody on Nov 30, 2011 | Reply

    TWoods – It looks like you’ve been studying up a bit! I have very little knowledge of college talent, so I can’t say with any certainty which of those options I’d like best. However, I think that we should try to fill some of the bigger holes through free agency first. Look for top-notch players at LT, NT, WR, CB and Safety. Don’t settle for anything less than the best at each position. Then plan the draft after learning what needs were able to be covered in free agency.

  39. By Mike B. on Nov 30, 2011 | Reply

    @Parody I have to agree with on this blog post. It is chance on what player you take beyond number 1. These next 5 games win or lose really has no effect on who you get to choose just the position you choose at. Wobby is stretching some here, but hey I would like us to run the table and be 7-9. That would be quite a comeback esp with the teams we have left to play.

  40. By Erik S. on Nov 30, 2011 | Reply

    “a mix that also included Matt Birk, Cory Chavous, Daunte Culpepper, Jim Kleinsasser and Randy Moss” Sorry, I don’t think any of these guys are returning next year. What a waste of an article. This is our hope??? The current situation cannot be fixed by one year’s draft. I am having flashbacks to the cleanup after the Hershel Walker trade.

  41. By Parody on Nov 30, 2011 | Reply

    Erik – That wasn’t the point of that sentence. He was pointing out that the team already had a lot of talent on the roster, and they were able to add the likes of Kevin Williams and EJ Henderson to that pool of talent.

    The current team has big names such as Peterson, Harvin, Jared Allen, Greenway, Kevin Williams, and potentially Ponder and Rudolph. The analogy is that we have the possibility of making a big improvement to that list through the draft much like the team did in ’02. But I contend that winning any more games this year will only make that possibility less likely to become a reality.

  42. By Twoodsnvikes on Nov 30, 2011 | Reply

    Peyton is not on IR he is and has been on the active roster. He isn’t going to just give his job away to Luck he is going to be back if he can be back and their remaining 3 games are verry winnable if he can be back for them

  43. By Parody on Nov 30, 2011 | Reply

    I just checked the Colts’ schedule, and I agree with you completely. The final 3-games are against Jacksonville, Houston and Tennessee. The game against Jacksonville will likely be a shootout. Both teams have poor defenses, and I believe the veteran’s experience will be outperforming the rookie’s speed on the other team.

    Tennessee may be interesting, but I think Peyton will be able to pick them apart enough to get the win there too. Then you have Houston, whose record makes them look better than they are. They may have 8-wins right now, but that’s with the easiest schedule in the NFL. Now that they are without their #1 QB, they may have even more trouble finding a way to win against Manning’s intelligence.

  44. By Twoodsnvikes on Nov 30, 2011 | Reply

    That was my a ssesment exactly. As much as I don’t want to be the worst team in the NFL, we are already going to be the 2nd or 3rd worst at best, and when we could pick up an additional 7+ picks for the 1st overall pick… we might as well be the worst, Go Peyton! ha

  45. By CanadianVF on Nov 30, 2011 | Reply

    Not really folowing the logic of the article and finishing strong. I think we should just and I honestly never thought I would say this but lose the rest of our games. Wait I take that back I cannot say I think we should lose the rest of our games. But we could really if it is done right have an outstanding draft and get things turned around quick. Oh, I don’t know ya lets lose. ( ha ha ! )

  46. By CanadianVF on Nov 30, 2011 | Reply

    I just cannot wait to see what kind of game plan our coaches have made up to stop the Tim Tebow express. It should be very interesting. You would think that it is a no brainer, stop the run , but with this group of coaches ? You never know.

  47. By sandiamond on Nov 30, 2011 | Reply

    Twoooods man you are dreaming! last call to continue in the luck sweepstakes this sunday when the Colts play the Pats

    sweepstakes two : Barkley and RG3 could be a payout there for the vikings

  48. By Puckertrucker on Nov 30, 2011 | Reply

    To Fredrick Jones:

    I’ve Been a Vikinng Fan since the begining. I to want Joe Webb to get playing time at QB he guidedus to that great win last year at Philly, and I think he should have been the # 1 QB this year instead of getting that no count D.McNabb the QB of has been. I too Would like to be an official member of the Get a GOOD GM CLUB.

    The one and only PuckerTrucker!!!!!!!!!!!!Skol guys

  49. By Puckertrucker on Nov 30, 2011 | Reply

    @TWoodsnVikes:

    I really liked your options for the draft, those options were well thought out and seem to be of sound mind. in your thinking,but along with the players you forgot to get a coach that could use their talent to the fullest. I really don’t think that Mr. Frazier has the fire in his guts to utilize a team that you suggest. Even if we were to get the players that you have named, do you believe frazier and his coaching staff could develope the team into a Superbowl contender?

    The one and only PuckerTrucker!!!!!!!!! Skol

  50. By Frederick Jones on Nov 30, 2011 | Reply

    I’m going to have to get more dedicated towards reading ALL of the posts on Vikings.com!

    I apologize ahead of time for missing some people.

    This is the list I have for the HIRE A GENERAL MANAGER club:

    :) :) Those that have written HIRE A GENERAL MANAGER or similar:
    Derrick G.
    Dave
    TheRealDon
    Mike B.
    PuckerTrucker

    :( :( Those that have said they want to join but have yet to give the ONEROUS
    HIRE A GENERAL MANAGER or similar comment:

    Bill
    Tyler Harris
    Lou Betts
    Dionte

    HIRE A GENERAL MANAGER or BUST!!!

    We really need all of you to mention the need of an outstanding
    GM for the 2012 season or sooner. Suggest some names if you can.

    Brian Billick would certainly be a good GM!!!
    WHY you ask? Because we have 2, 289 VPs who obviously do not agree on
    personnel matters. NO ONE PERSON COULD BE THAT DUMB!!!

  51. By Frederick Jones on Nov 30, 2011 | Reply

    TWOODs,

    Great job! Keep the pressure on.

  52. By Frederick Jones on Nov 30, 2011 | Reply

    @Vegas Vike and Derrick G.

    We will have to agree to disagree on Joe Webb. I have not seen Joe throw that much, but he has a gun, has HUGE hands, is tall, and can jump.

    I think he may just need some NFL experience. If we don’t try him out, we may lose him. Then he becomes a great QB somewhere else.

    But mostly, it would be fun to see him play!!!

  53. By Frederick Jones on Nov 30, 2011 | Reply

    @rye,

    You may be correct about Frazier and his staff.

    At this point the Vikings…WILL DRAFT, TRADE, AND OBTAIN FREE AGENTS THE SAME WAY THEY HAVE SINCE 2003. The situation will not change
    until we do!!!

    HIRE A GENERAL MANAGER!!!

  54. By Parody on Nov 30, 2011 | Reply

    Fred – I admire your passion, and I must have read enough of your posts to be brainwashed into agreeing with you, but I still believe what you’re doing is a feeble effort. There must be a much more constructive way of getting your (our?) message to people who have the power to do something about it.

    However, I feel the stadium issue is a much more pressing need. Maybe your club can cover both causes?

  55. By Parody on Nov 30, 2011 | Reply

    On the talk of Joe Webb, it is very unlikely that he’ll ever be our #1 QB now that we have Ponder getting a feel for the offense. The only way we’re going to see any value from him is if we use him as a WR. We can still use all of his talents by giving him the ball in motion on trick plays, leaving him the option to run or pass. I would still put him at #3 or #4 WR though. We still need a true #1, and I’d put a pure gunner opposite him as the #2.

    This would give the team the freedom to use Percy in the way that most compliments his skills, including the freedom to have him do more kick returns. He’s one of the best returners in the NFL. We are just too weak at WR for the team to take chances on losing the only good one we have.

  56. By sandiamond on Nov 30, 2011 | Reply

    These linebackers for Denver don’t let the QB get outside. Tough D but it got a liitle lighter with Von Miller having thumb surgery today. Still expected to play but not 100% ( must have hands for a pass rush)

  57. By sandiamond on Nov 30, 2011 | Reply

    Out for the season:

    Loeffler LS broken bone in back
    M. Jenkins WR knee injury
    Abdullah S concussion ( not progressing)
    Tyrell Johnson S severe hamstring injury

  58. By VegasVike on Nov 30, 2011 | Reply

    That was my thought too…

  59. By DuaneN on Nov 30, 2011 | Reply

    Have always hated the better draft pick mentality but I am all for it this year. I hope they lose out until week 17 and get a win to knock the Bears out of the playoffs. That would be fun.

    A top 5 pick seems almost certain. That is going to be a mess. Just so brutal if the Vikings actually have to pass on the best college receiver to get a lineman. Totally understandable though.

    They better not take a corner in the first round. Gotta go offense in the first round. Take two secondary guys later on please.

  60. By Maryland Boy Troy on Nov 30, 2011 | Reply

    @ Frederick Jones, Count me in for the hire a General manager club.

  61. By Derrick.G on Dec 1, 2011 | Reply

    I know what your sayin about Webb, Fred. Id much rather see him be successful, i dont see it happening here, but the dude is a machine. oh btw…

    HIRE A GENERAL MANAGER
    HIRE A GENERAL MANAGER
    HIRE A GENERAL MANAGER
    HIRE A GENERAL MANAGER

  62. By Dueyz on Dec 1, 2011 | Reply

    I like Webb, but Ponder has to stay in. We invested a 1st round pick on him. We need to see if he’s the future or not. If he’s not, we need to know a.s.a.p. so we can make a change. If he is, we need to know a.s.a.p. so we can build around him. Either way, he has to start for us to make that determination. Pausing this project by putting Webb in this season distracts us from figuring out the answer with Ponder. Not Webb’s fault; I’d like to see what more he’s capable of. But this is not the time or place to experiment with him unless you are comfortable with moving past Ponder alltogether.

  63. By Dueyz on Dec 1, 2011 | Reply

    I can’t watch a Vikings game and not want us to win, but I wont be unhappy to see us lose enough to get a great draft pick. It’s an unfortunate smart business move for us. I’m much more concerned about our stadium deal, though.

  64. By sandiamond on Dec 1, 2011 | Reply

    injuries really adding up this week. EJ and Asher have shoulder injuries. Herrera and Rudolph on the list with Kyle likely to start. Frazier did say Webb could get practice time at wr this week!!

  65. By Parody on Dec 1, 2011 | Reply

    That would be great! A lot of us want to see Webb become a constant player for this team, and it’s all too obvious that this won’t happen if he stays at QB. I can only hope that he accepts this change in position full-heartedly.

  66. By Animal26 on Dec 1, 2011 | Reply

    I say to heck with that safety Paige we picked up from the wavier wire. We have a safety who can get the job down already, once he gets experience. The guy I’m talking about is Mistral Raymond. Just have to give the man a chance. This staff has been wasting his talent and the huge potential he has. Start Mistral Raymond in the backfield this season now!!!!

  67. By gubber on Dec 1, 2011 | Reply

    Parody,
    Remember this is Wobby talking about “fostering a winning culture”. All his reasoning would do is get us a lower number in every round on draft day by winning games that are completely irrelevant.
    I’ve been watching Brian Billick on the NFL Network, and he comes across to me as a very intelligent football man. Winning a Super Bowl coaching the Ravens is a great help as he would know what it takes to build a winning organization.
    We also shouldn’t put too much blame on coach Frazier for this horrible situation that he inherited. If you hire someone to do a job you should at least give him the proper tools to work with, which is painfully obvious he doesn’t have. Will see if ownership and management are truly dedicated to building a Super Champion this offseason.

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