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Sherels, Shiancoe Added To Injury Report; No Other Changes For Vikings

Posted by Mike Wobschall on November 17, 2011 – 3:34 pm

Marcus Sherels and Visanthe Shiancoe were added to the Vikings injury report on Thursday, with Sherels (not injury-related) a non-participant and Shiancoe (hamstring) taking part on a limited basis.

Outside of those two additions, there were no changes to the Vikings injury report. Vikings Head Coach Leslie Frazier did say after practice that LS Cullen Loeffler is making significant progress and that CB Antoine Winfield underwent surgery on his fractured clavicle.

There weren’t many changes to speak of for the Raiders, either. They also had an addition, though, as TE Kevin Boss (knee) was added but was also a full participant. CB Chimdi Chekwa (hamstring) was placed on the Reserve/Injured list.


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195 Responses to “Sherels, Shiancoe Added To Injury Report; No Other Changes For Vikings”

  1. By GM on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    Soooo, what’s the deal with Sherels? It’s like the punchline to the joke is missing.

  2. By Parody on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    Sherels probably just had some kind of family emergency. The point to take away from that part of the report is that it’s nothing that will slow him down for Sunday’s game.

  3. By lisa on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    I read the Sherels had a family funeral to attend.

  4. By Carl Brodin on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    Thats all we need is another CB injured. If this is truely the case then we have to bring up the Jones kid from the practice squad. I dont know at this point that cant be all bad. I also think maybe they should switch Griffin and Abdullah. I mean make Griffin a safety and Abdullah a cornerback. Then deactivate T.Johnson until the end of the season when you Cut him loose and Go with Sanford as the strong safety and M. Raymond as the free safety and if one of those guys at either safety spot gets hurt then switch Abdullah back to safety and bring that greg jones off the practice squad. What do the rest of you in here think about this.

  5. By Parody on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    Sounds like too much random shuffling Carl. I’d like to see them give the draft picks some playing time, but there’s something to be said for making them earn the spot. They may have potential to play better than the current starters eventually, but giving them the position without making them earn it could be counterproductive. Make them work hard to earn a position, and they’ll be more likely to work hard to keep the position.

  6. By Titus on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    Is the former Bengal at quarterback?

  7. By vikingsfool on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    Yes, yes, keep parading around the petty stuff. Until the Vikings deal with the real issues head on, they will never arrive to the big dance. Please Vikings fan, lrean about football. Good fans know their football, bad ones are tsoopid.

  8. By BACK TO THE FUTURE on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    Jerry Burns had a very good winning percentage– one of the best Vikings coaches ever.

  9. By Parody on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    Titus – Palmer was active last week, and he did pretty well, (299 yds, 125 QBR). I highly doubt they’ll bench him after last week’s performance – especially since Kyle Boller has been playing at a level that most teams would be embarrassed to see from their third stringers.

  10. By Titus on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    Parody– I had heard Carson played well. We better have some pride and win this game.

  11. By PBizzle on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    The D-Backs are what they are no changes will help. This team doesn’t play with enough heart. Allen may be the one exception. They just seem to laze fair with their play. I say this after seeing all the smiles after they got blown out by a division opponent. I was angry watching them get beat shouldn’t they be a little upset about being on national tv and looking that bad. The steelers and ravens are the top D’s in the league and everyone knows they play aggressive and angry. Vikes D looks like the Colts of years past. Wonder why.

  12. By VegasVike on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    This might be a tough game, again. I think our O will hang but I’m not sure about our D. There is however, some good news… The Packer Trolls are gone for the season!!

  13. By Brad on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    Here we go Vikings let down a little girls dream of the vikings.http://youtu.be/RUGq8hIBuhQ

  14. By Frederick Jones on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    @VegasVike,

    I think the defensive line has been excellent. The offense has been making
    things very difficult for the defense. Three and out just don’t not never git it done!

  15. By Frederick Jones on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    Some say fire the coaches. Some say get rid of these players.
    Some argue against some of those things.

    There is a solution.

  16. By Frederick Jones on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    Frazier probably knows what he is doing. He will need to be a man of faith.

    I do feel that the effort is there in every game. There may be some negativity set in because they continue to lose ball games.

    The problem IS THE TALENT LEVEL.

  17. By Mike on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    I wonder what’s going on in Fraziers mind first he says Asher Allen played good monday night which was a lie and now I’m hearing that Asher Allen is our starter this sunday, I’m definitely not watching this game I know Palmer can’t wait to light up our secondary

  18. By Frederick Jones on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    WHY HAVE THE VIKINGS DRAFTED SO FOOLISHLY THE LAST NINE YEARS???

    (8 Offensive Linemen selected in the last 9 years, TWO in the last FIVE years)
    (and the numbers are not much better for defensive backs)

    THE VIKINGS NEED A GENERAL MANAGER NOT 17,291 VICE PRESIDENTS!!!

    You must know that if you have an opportunity to play a lot of defense, you will also make a lot of tackles. Hence Robison, JAllen, and Griffen have a shot at the Pro Bowl.

    I would rather have our offense make more 1st downs, keep the defense off the field, and win games.

    You must know that…as long as you ignore a problem, the more likely it is to get worse. So why do you think that the Vikings will just automatically start spending their money and draft picks on OLs and DBs???

    THEY WON’T CHANGE UNLESS WE DO ! !

  19. By VegasVike on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    Sorry Freder, I meant secondary on D. It seems the opposing team can pass at will on us. Haven’t seen too much play this year just the primetime games.

  20. By Frederick Jones on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    YOU MUST KNOW THAT DEPARTMENT :)

    Some bloggers have actually said that Jerry Burns was a poor coach.

    Some have said that Ponder is as bad as Tarvaris Jackson! (Who I don’t think was that bad.)

    Almost NO ONE has recommended hiring a General Manager.

    Whut is a happin’ baby?

  21. By Frederick Jones on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    Perhaps there is a solution to this mess. Maybe it is not hiring a General Manager to hire and fire the right people.

    THEN WHAT IN BLAZES IS THE SOLUTION??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

  22. By Frederick Jones on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    @Vegaser,

    Yes, I agree with you.

  23. By Frederick Jones on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    Fred,

    You can’t just go out and get a General Manager to hire and fire people, it’s a lot more complicated than that!!!

  24. By Frederick Jones on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    @Fred,

    Then what in blazes is the solution????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

  25. By Frederick Jones on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    Dear Fred,

    There is not a solution. Let’s just give up!

  26. By Mike on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    Fred everyone knows that we need a GM but as fans we don’t get anything we want shoot if the owner would listen to us more often we would have a better team to cheer for I’m with you.

  27. By Frederick Jones on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    Jonesy,

    You are boring us you little creep. Talk about what the blog is about or crawl into the hole you came from!

  28. By Parody on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    Fred – Why are you talking to yourself? Are you revealing to us that you are also VegasVike?

  29. By Frederick Jones on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    @Mike,

    Thanks for your reply.

    If we as FANS band together we can do a lot.

    Hiring a General Manager is not the answer?

    Okay, What is?

  30. By Frederick Jones on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    @Parody,

    No I am Parody!

  31. By Parody on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    Okay, so who is pretending to be Fred then? Your messages seem to be making every effort to show that you are NOT Fred. So, why use his monnicker?

  32. By Frederick Jones on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    @Parody,

    At least you stick to your original blogger name. I think there are about 7 or 8 of us that stick to the same name consistently.

    DRS, Nova Scotia Vike, Mike B., Titus, Shawn, Vegas Vike,and possibly a few others.

  33. By Frederick Jones on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    @Parody,

    I am Frederick Jones…unless someone impersonates me, which has happened a few times.

  34. By VegasVike on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    Vegas is Vegas (tonight anyhow) I’ve had imposters in the past but I do not believe it was ever Fred.

  35. By Frederick Jones on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    ***Frazier probably knows what he is doing. He will need to be a man of faith.

    I do feel that the effort is there in every game. There may be some negativity set in because they continue to lose ball games.

    The problem IS THE TALENT LEVEL.

  36. By VegasVike on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    I do like “Vegaser” however

  37. By Frederick Jones on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    @Vegas,

    I am no Vegas, that’s for sure!!!

  38. By Frederick Jones on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    Vegaser sounds pretty tough…don’t mess with em’ Packer fans. lol

  39. By Mike on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    Were going through the same thing Miami went through with a VP remember the mess Spielman made over their I can see a lot of similarities

  40. By VegasVike on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    I agree with you Frederick, I feel our players struggle because they are not held accountable by their coaches. And our coaches are not held accountable by the owners. It all trickles downhill. And when I say struggle I mean ‘do not perform’

  41. By Parody on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    I wouldn’t say that about Titus. He generally sticks to the same name – but he switches it up every now and then, plus he has his BSAS alias..among others.

    Rocksalt, Paul M., Sir Greasy Panda (a little new), CanadianVF, Carl K, and Animal26 are some other frequent bloggers who appear to stick to a single monnicker.

  42. By Frederick Jones on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    @VegasVike,

    I’m not sure why guys change their names so much.

    Hey, VegasVike could be 6-9 and 300′

    Frederick Jones could be a 12 year old girl.

  43. By VegasVike on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    Lol Frederick

  44. By Parody on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    Woodboat and sandiamond (another newer blogger) too.

  45. By VegasVike on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    I’m fairly confident the pack freaks that were on here in the last few days were all one and the same. I’m not sure more than one person could be that annoying.

  46. By Frederick Jones on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    @Parody,

    At least you know when it’s Titus.

    You are right that Rocksalt, Carl K, and a few other stick to their name.

    Remember FIRE CHILDRESS? I had a lot of arguments with the guy, but found out he was really okay when he told me why he blogged the way he did.

    Now I don’t know if he blogs.

  47. By Parody on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    ^And Vikingsfool could actually be a disgruntled Brett Favre. Very unlikely though. Regardless, I’ll treat every blogger in here as just that, a blogger. Any claims they make about their own history are pretty much completely un-provable, so it doesn’t make sense to put any thought into it.

  48. By Mike on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    Hahaha AP thinks that we can make the playoffs at 9-7 I respect his game but why don’t he become a real leader and get on the guys who don’t perform so we can actually win a game.

  49. By Frederick Jones on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    @VegasVike,

    Yes, certainly there are accountability issues. Politics always play a part, and we don’t necessarily know everything that goes on.

    But accountability won’t be there in a poorly run organization. The term I would use is COMMUNICATION. It’s either lacking or bad!

  50. By Parody on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    Fred – I think Rocksalt is FIRE CHILDRESS. I’m not sure whether that’s right, but whoever it was, the reasoning for the name change is completely understandable.

  51. By Frederick Jones on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    @Mike,

    Did Peterson actually say that we would finish 9-7?

  52. By Frederick Jones on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    @Parody,

    Yes, I can see why FIRE would change his name.

    Did he divulge any personal data? I know he claimed he was
    a football coach, and he named the city.

  53. By Parody on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    To tell you the truth, I wasn’t always Parody. I started out as PurplePeopleEater, and used WTF as an alternate when I wanted to vent. But once I found my current monnicker, I’ve felt comfortable expressing all my opinions under a single identification.

  54. By VegasVike on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    Yes they could communicate that everyone needs to be accountable for their roll in the team.

  55. By Frederick Jones on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    The fun part of blogging is actually talking to people.

  56. By Parody on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    Now you’re starting to throw my mind off track Fred…you’re the only blogger I recall identifying himself as a football coach!

  57. By Mike on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    He said theirs a chance we make the playoffs at 9-7 if not then we should look forward to the future and start giving our young guys play time

  58. By VegasVike on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    PARODY OUT OF DA CLOSET!!!

  59. By Frederick Jones on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    @Parody,

    Someone has used a name similar to Purple People Eater in recent blogs.

    I have used other names, but it’s been almost a year since I did that. I did it when others were imitating Frederick.

    It’s probably not morally wrong to use another name. But how can you talk to other people?

  60. By Frederick Jones on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    @Parody,

    I never said I was a football coach. Someone else said it. I just did not deny it.

    I have coached several different sports, some on the high school level. I also used to referee football, and other sports.

  61. By Frederick Jones on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    …and I used to play football, as well as other sports.

  62. By Parody on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    Fred – That’s actually why I changed the name. PurplePeopleEater is just too easy of a name to come up with in a Vikings blog, so I can’t expect to claim ownership of it. It made more sense to find a new name that was more representative of myself.

  63. By Parody on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    I suppose the way you presented yourself as a coach could have led to an assumption that you a football coach. Considering the topic, it’s a valid conclusion to draw unless you make a conscious effort to say otherwise.

  64. By Frederick Jones on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    @Parody,

    Some would say I lied. Perhaps they are right. Sorry.

  65. By Titus on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    I have used a few other names to mess with people– kind of fun.

  66. By Parody on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    Fred – I was just in a previous blog and saw a post by you that contradicted one you made in here. There you claimed that Jackson would land in the top-40 QBs in Vikings history, while here you claimed that you don’t think Jackson was that bad…was one of those posts not actually you…or are you conflicted on your opinion?

  67. By Parody on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    would NOT land…

  68. By Titus on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    Fred Jones has always thought Tarvaris was Montana material.

  69. By UsedtoPurpleFailure on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    Indy is doing the “Suck for Luck” bit, I can only hope the Vikings are working on their “Suck for Blackmon” draft pick.

    Though none of that will matter much to me when they move to LA.

  70. By Frederick Jones on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    @Titus,

    I DID think Tarvaris Jackson had some talent.

    @Parody…I was avoiding ripping on someone who ranked
    Tarvaris Jackson the 12th best QB in Vikings history. Now he may get
    better, but right now he is NO WHERE NEAR THE TOP 12!!!

  71. By Mike B. on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    i just watched to keys to the game. Over Hype about our defensive secondary

  72. By Mike B. on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    They are use to playing without Winfield and Cook now. That means what they are better that would be majic. The secondary even with Benny Sapp is bad.

  73. By Mike B. on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    Reason we were able to get Sapp as he got beat twice by New England and one was right in your face beat. That’s the reason the fins got rid of him. We are not going to get great free agent at this point of the season, so maybe Sapp is the best we could get. Wobby and Paul Allen talking up the individual records like they mean something when the team is playing this poorly. Just to give some sunshine and you know where that sunshine is going. This team has some talent, but they are not playing as a cohesive unit. I wish the team would prove me wrong but they won’t.

  74. By Mike B. on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    i still am shocked that their head of PR came out and said almost exactly what I said the Vikings should do about the Stadium issue. Bring it to the Voters (the people). Now that’s orignal thinking I wish I got some credit for that or at least some compensation. lol. Take care I can’t watch the game this weekend. I am going deer hunting with my family. Enjoy the game Have Fun Happy Thanksgiving.

  75. By Mike B. on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    TJack is what he is and not much of a QB.

  76. By Titus on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    Frederick– that posting on QBs did add a couple after- so Tavaris would have dropped to 14 — and it was an incomplete list– add a few more and he would have dropped more– but that was almost all our QBs except for a couple that were short lived

  77. By Titus on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    And I think vikingsfool looked and sounded like shawn.

  78. By Titus on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    And to follow that up— I just had a hunch I just did a little research– last time I see a posting by Shawn was under Mr Hippe Weather– and after that no Shawn, but lots of vikingsfool.

  79. By Mike B. on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    oh yeah Ryan lost again. Love it his days numbered in the NFL One less loud mouth

  80. By Titus on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    I will spare the details how I arrived at unmasking vikingfool, but I am pretty certain

  81. By VegasVike on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    @ Titus…… Hmmm, I kinda thought that too.

  82. By Titus on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    Really Vegas? I won’t give away all the details so he cannot alter tactics — that way he cannot fool me.

  83. By VegasVike on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    Yes in all the banter that went on in the last couple of days I had that sneaking hunch for some reason. I don’t think a packer fan would be that vigilant/determined.

  84. By VegasVike on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    I also felt Cali and Fool could have been one and the same…

  85. By Titus on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    Vikingfool gave away several clues he was a vikings fan– even when he said he sees me on his site all the time ( I am not blogging on the packer site). Vikingfool said as much that he was a vikings fan if you read carefully– plus he admitted he was at the TCF game.

  86. By Titus on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    I am not sure Cali was the same– I think Cali was a cheesehead.

  87. By VegasVike on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    I thought they both continued on too long to be just a packer fan.

  88. By Titus on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    What was the name of the most annoying one? I can’t recall right now.

  89. By VegasVike on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    I think it was VegasVike lol. Vikings fool was the most persistent and annoying in my opinion.

  90. By NovaScotiaVike on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    I really don’t care which of these people is the biggest moron. I will talk to you guys later, I can’t believe that this blog has turned into a daycare.

  91. By Mike B. on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    you all have done one blog too many on this topic

  92. By Titus on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    That is what I was thinking– but funny, to think, shawn was vikingsfool (my deduction– seconded by Vegas)

  93. By Titus on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    I was just watching some video on cycling in Hawaii.

  94. By Parody on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    Well, if the draft were held today, we would have the fifth pick. Indy gets #1 with zero wins, and then there’s a 4-way tie for the second pick. The tie-breaker is determined by strength of schedule, where the team with the weakest schedule (opponents with the fewest wins) gets to pick first. Among the four teams, we have the toughest schedule, meaning we pick last in the group.

  95. By Sir Greasy Panda on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    Im just glad those idiots are gone. I really tried hard to not come on here and blog, I was just tired of the same old posts with the same idiotic lines. Good to see the usual guys on here.

  96. By Titus on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    Wow Parody– we lose by losing. So, our losses came at the expense of stronger teams makes us better? How can that be qualified? I guess there has to be criteria when there is a tie.

  97. By Sir Greasy Panda on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    Here are some of the free agent WRs:
    Milke Wallace, Wes Welker, Vincent Jackson, Dwayne Bowe, Marques Colston, DeSean Jackson, Stevie Johnson, Reggie Wayne, Brandon Lloyd, Pierre Garcon, Steve Smith (phi), Mario Manningham, Braylon Edwards

    Who do you see the Vikings going after?

  98. By Titus on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    Parody, I understand it– just the situation is nuts because any team can beat any team– almost. Look at the Rams beating the Saints. Now the Rams have a horrible record– so if teams like them were on our schedule 9 (weak records) we would get a better pick by virtue we cannot even beat the bad teams (and must be the bottom of the bottom) even though some of the worse teams beat very good teams.

  99. By Sir Greasy Panda on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    These are some big names that along with Percy could be huge! If we address the O line during the draft some of these guys are really young, not like TO, but guys that could make a home here for a long time

  100. By Titus on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    Anyone bike ride in LA? I see they have some great and long cycling trails– paved– from the mountains to the ocean.

  101. By Sir Greasy Panda on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    There a lot in Orange County

  102. By Sir Greasy Panda on Nov 17, 2011 | Reply

    Biking is making a huge come back in southern California right now, everyone is doing it. there are bike shops popping up on every corner.

  103. By Sir Greasy Panda on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    Here are some free agent CBs:
    Cortland Finnegan, Tracy Porter, Brent Grimes, Lardarius Webb, Reshean Mathis, Carlos Rogers, Terrell Thomas, Brandon Carr,

  104. By Titus on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    Are you there Panda? I found a bunch of trails– Santa Ana, etc. Looks great, but a few warn of gang activity– I know there are areas in Mpls that I ride that would probably warn visitors the same thing– but I live here and know that it is pretty much an after sunset thing and also how to navigate to stay relatively safe– hard to tell by Internet the reality.

  105. By Titus on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    Porter from the Saints?

  106. By Sir Greasy Panda on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    Ive done most of the Fullerton Loop which is in north orange county, but a lot of the trails out here are paved or marked off so I dont think gangs would be a big deal unless you go off the trail and end up in the wrong neighborhood, but my best friend works for the fire department and they ride a lot but towards the beach more by huntington, laguna beach, and new port, those are all rich areas so gangs arent problems.

  107. By Sir Greasy Panda on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    And yeah Tracy Porter from the saints, at least thats what I read, I dont know if he has signed an extension or not

  108. By Titus on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    Thanks Panda– like I said it helps to talk to someone who actually lives there. I know the greenway trail through Mpls has a lot of assaults by gangs but it is generally safe in the day–

    Do you know the Santa Ana trail?

  109. By Titus on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    Is Porter still in his prime? By the way, what is the temp in LA in mid January?

  110. By Sir Greasy Panda on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    I think its the trail that runs along the santa ana river, it takes you all the way to the beach. Ive never ridden it but I know its long.

  111. By Sir Greasy Panda on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    California weather is crazy, the last week its been overcast but today it was sunny and in the high 70s or low 80s. During January it gets colder by California standards which is not saying much probably the lowest is during the day is 50 and low 40s at night. But you could get lucky and be in the 60s and 70s. I know MN is by far colder but to us its cold.

  112. By Titus on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    I need a trail like Santa Ana– 38 miles long. I am pretty serious when I train. 50 is better than here but not worth a trip– I am looking for at least low 70s. I never understood you guys getting cold until I came back from a trip to Phoenix in July– it was 118 one of the days. Back in Mpls, I remember I felt chilly like I need a sweater– it was 82 degrees!! But relatively cool– 40 degrees cooler.

  113. By Parody on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    I just went through and ranked all the teams as far as strength of schedule, and the Vikings just happen to have the second most difficult schedule, as it stands this week. Teams that we’re scheduled to play for the entire year currently stand at +21 in the win column. Only Denver has a more difficult schedule with its opponents lying at +28.

    Conversely, Houston has the easiest schedule, with their opponents racking up -22 in the win column, and New England sitting behind them at -16. So while those teams hold 7 and 6 wins respectively, they may not be very stellar; they just got lucky when the schedules were created.

  114. By Sir Greasy Panda on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    despite having a tough schedule like you say Parody we have only been beat down twice, every other game we have been competitive. Its got to give you hope that when we suck this bad we can hang with most teams imagine when we actually get better players

  115. By Sir Greasy Panda on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    You training for the Tour de France Titus?

  116. By Parody on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    I just double checked my numbers and found out that I made a mistake. Turns out that we have THE TOUGHEST schedule of all teams! I accidentally put San Fransisco up against Denver twice, in the games where they were supposed to play San Diego. That moves them down to +12 in schedule difficulty, moving behind St. Louis and Detroit who have +20 and +19 rankings, respectively.

    So as it stands today, we lose tie breakers with EVERY team in the draft. But there’s still 7-weeks to go, so a lot can change.

  117. By 61vikings on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    I can’t believe we’re still talking about Tavaris Jackson on this site!! He stinks and it’s hard for me to believe that he was our QB here in Minnesota!! It just goes to show you that there’s alot of guys in the NFL that can’t evaluate talent!! That is our problem here in Minnesota, the evaluation of talent is bad to say the least!! Need a great GM here before it gets worse!!!

  118. By Rocksalt on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    OK Parody-
    For the record, I have always been Rocksalt,,,,,,,,,there have been occasions when some cheeshead impersonated me, but as Popeye says…..”I am what I am”.
    I am not, nor have I ever been FIRE CHILDRESS.

  119. By Parody on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    SOrry Rocksalt – I didn’t mean to offend. It was just the best guess I could come up with.

  120. By Rocksalt on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    No problem, man. While I agreed with FIRE CHILDRESS in principle, I found the constant repetition somewhat boring.

  121. By 61vikings on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    I look at a team like San Francisco and wonder how they were able to turn it around this year and I look at who they hired at coach, a guy who proved himself at the college level and at Standford at that!! There’s another guy, who we know well here in Minnesota, Dennis Green, that went the same route!! If you win at Standford, which is hard to get into, you must be a great motivator!! I love the passion that Harbaugh brings as a coach and he has his team playing way over there heads!! We need some passion out of our coach!! It’s just pathetic how we had two weeks to prepare for the Packers and get whipped in every faze of the game!! I think before you hire a guy to become your head coach, you need to see if he’s done it at another level and has been successful at it as well!!

  122. By Immureglass21 on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    Panda- I think the first seven WR (Wallace-Johnson) that you listed will probably be retained by their respective teams. I would love to see the Vikes go after Reggie Wayne if Indy decides to let him go but any of the WR you listed would be a great addition to this team.

  123. By Immureglass21 on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    I know its a little late and off topic but my theory on the person that has been impersonating people on here……(dramatic pause)….. is Mike Wobs who trying to get even with those who have bashed him and his writing style.

  124. By Vikingsfool on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    Titus, you are soooo stoopid, not even close, I hate that guy shawn, he was whining and crying to fire the coach after the first preseason loss. I also see that DRC is back pretending to be me, no chance, who ever posted earlier can’t hold a candlestick to me, they are not a great football mind. Nice to see I made such an impact though, thanks guys for being so stoopid and letting me get in your heads, bye now!!! stoopid-Dumba** fans

  125. By Ricky on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    Dear Coach,
    Stop fooling around so much. I’ve been patient to wait, I want to be the coach. No more loosing again! It’s done, it’s over, that’s it! My dad too, he likes the Vikings – all my folks like the Vikings. I don’t like Green Bay, no not me! Get them, kick their butts, win against the Raiders!

    Ricky

  126. By Vikingsfool on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    And Titus, the only writing you do for a living is filling out your app in the welfare line, I know because ” I’m TITUS a professional writer and I can hear your voice in your writing style”.. yadda yadda yadda, your such a stoopid bafoon. You can’t read a “tone” in anyone’s writing style, lesson learned in comp 321, but I wouldnt assume that you know what a 300 level course is since you dropped out of tech school to work at jiffy lube. stoopid

  127. By Vikingsfool on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    what do you expect mike, the Vikes are completely depleted at corner, Allen is the best option to start this week, you through burton out there and he’ll be scarred for life. It’s not like the Vikes can just pull corners out of thier a**. And if you think Sapp should start think again, he has been out for over a month and has not seen a purple playbook in over a year, get real

  128. By Woodboat on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    Lets have a count of all the idiot trolls that have infected this site…. the above appears to be one, Cali Packers Fan makes two….

  129. By Immureglass21 on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    Hey Vikingsfool- Umm a person writing style is commonly referred as a writing voice. So Titus was right in way he used it.

  130. By Immureglass21 on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    Woodboat- There was also Arron Rodgers and LV so that’s 3 and 4. But most likely their all the same person.

  131. By Immureglass21 on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    Its probably just some sad lonely packers fan who has to much time on his hands (amongst other things)

  132. By Frederick Jones on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    @Titus,

    I missed something.

    The Vikings are in their 52nd Season! How could there be only 12 QBs ! ! !
    :) :) :) :) :)

  133. By Frederick Jones on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    @NOVA SCOTIA VIKE,

    Losing is not funny.

    But this site needs your sense of humor!!!

  134. By David P on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    With the way bthe vikings are playing there should be 49 players on the injury report. The reason. No heart.

  135. By Titus on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    Ha ha ha– Panda, I wish– I would be the oldest person riding the Tour de France–once you pass your mid 30s you are in trouble– one guy won at age 40– but I am past that. Besides, those guys avg around 25,000 miles a year on their bikes– you truly have to do that for a living.

  136. By Titus on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    Fred, yes there were a few more QBs– but remember, 52 years divided by 14– there were 14 in the list if you include the added posting, that avgs to less than 4 yrs per QB– back ups not counted. We also have had only 9 head coaches. Fred, do you think that makes no sense? Should we have had 52 coaches?

  137. By DRS on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    Vikingsfool, I have not been pretending to be any one, but good try. Maybe it was another Packer fan using your name.

  138. By Parody on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    Fred – Over the history of the Vikings, 32 different QBs have started at least one game for the team. Of them, 11-players have started more games with the team than Jackson (20). However, some of the players who started fewer games than Jackson can be argued as better QBs than he’ll ever become. Archie Manning onyl started 2-games for us, but he was a better QB in his career. McNabb has only started 6-games, and hasn’t played any worse than Jackson would have with the same cast, but again had a much better career than Tarvaris will accomplish. Simiar arguments can be made for Jeff George, Jim McMahon, & maybe even Gus Frerrotte. And we have the youth of Webb and Ponder who both have all the traits to exceed Jackson’s success, but need to be in the league longer to accomplish it.

    But even with all those arguments against Jackson, he drops to the 18th best QB we’ve had, at the lowest.

  139. By DRS on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    I use only DRS. I have had others trying to mimic my user name as well, it is nothing new on this site, the others on this site could tell it was not me by the way I blog, as we could tell when it was not them blogging.

  140. By Titus on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    Parody– thanks for doing the homework on quarterbacks.
    DRS– I am convinced to let the immature bloggers be– do not respond to their posts and they will eventually tire– like a crying brat who finally falls asleep.

  141. By Parody on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    Scratch That – make it 31 different starting QBs. I didn’t realize that I counted Bob Berry twice, once for his start in 1966 and then again for his second start 8-years later. He was obviously never anything more than a backup to Tarkenton.

  142. By DRS on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    Parody, I think the best QB the Viking ever had was Fran Tarkington, (sorry for any miss spelling), though Brad Johnson was not too bad, never new why we let him go.

  143. By DRS on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    Titus, I must agree with U on that, thank you for the advice, and let’s see if it works.

  144. By Parody on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    Here’s the full list:
    1961-1978 Fran Tarkenton 170
    1977-1989 Tommy Kramer 110
    2000-2005 Daunte Culpepper 80
    1983-1991 Wade Wilson 47
    1996-2006 Brad Johnson 46
    1994-1996 Warren Moon 39
    1967-1969 Joe . . Kapp 38
    1990-1992 Rich Gannon 35
    2009-2010 Brett Favre 29
    1997-1999 Randall Cunningham 23
    1969-1971 Gary Cuozzo 21
    2006-2010 Tarvaris Jackson 20
    1980-1983 Steve Dils 15
    2003-2008 Gus Frerrotte 13
    1993 Jim McMahon 12
    1970-1977 Bob . . . Lee 11
    1999 Jeff George 10
    1992-1994 Sean Salisbury 9
    2011 Donovan McNabb 6
    1963-1967 Ron Vander Kelen 5
    1961 George Shaw 4
    1987 Tony Adams 3
    2001 Todd Bauman 3
    2007 Kelly Holcomb 3
    2011 Chrîstian Ponder 3
    1971 Norm Snead 2
    1984 Archie Manning 2
    2001 Spergon Wynn 2
    2010 Joe . . Webb 2
    1966-1974 Bob . Berry 2
    2007 Brooks Bollinger 1

  145. By DRS on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/17/no-special-session-set-for-vikings-stadium/

  146. By Titus on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    Wow– so if you take the QBs who played enough games to equal a full season — which we can say for argument is at least 12 games – Vikes have had 15 QBs- the rest played too few games to warrant a ranking in “best of.” Tarvaris would be at 3.

  147. By Parody on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    “Tarvaris would be at 3.”

    I’m not sure what you mean by that Titus. Surely you don’t mean that Jackson was the 3rd best QB? Did you mean to say Daunte? (#3 on the list of number of starts).

  148. By DRS on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    Senate, two full days to talk, really, time for talk is over it is time for action.

  149. By Immureglass21 on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    I think the Vikings let Brad Johnson go because he was starting become very injury prone and it was just cheaper to let him go.

  150. By Titus on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    Parody– just trying to stir the pot- no, I know Culpepper on paper looked good, but he reminded me of McNabb in that he seemed to never come through at clutch moments and made mistakes.

  151. By DRS on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    http://www.startribune.com/politics/statelocal/133974458.html

  152. By Parody on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    Of those QBs, only 6-of them were able to play a true “complete” season, where they were the starter for every game of the season.
    Favre, Kapp & Moon each Started 1 Complete Season;
    Kramer Started 2-Complete Seasons;
    Culpepper Started 3-Complete Seasons;
    and the great Tarkenton Started 7 Complete Seasons

  153. By Titus on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    Tarkenton was our best no question– a few others were close to his level, but didn’t have the longevity to outrank him from number one. Let’s hope Ponder can dethrone Fran.

  154. By DRS on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    Immureglass21, that maybe, though did he not win a SB for the team he went too? I do not remember.

  155. By Immureglass21 on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    yea he did with the Buc’s so in hindsight it wasn’t the vikes best decision

  156. By Parody on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    Culpepper and McNabb were VERY similar QBs. Both bulky scramblers who could flatten some of the smaller DBs. I remember arguments back in their heyday over who was the better QB of their nature. McNabb made it to the Super Bowl, so there’s something to be said for that, but I always wanted to believe that we had the best man on our roster.

    For both QBs though, they lost their mantra when their age/injuries forced them to transform into pocket pássers. I still rank Culpepper as one of the better QBs we’ve had though. He was durable and he made plenty of excitement when he played.

  157. By DRS on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    Titus, I think Ponder can do that if we get a better O-Line player and great a great D-Fence, without a great D-Fence I do not think any team can win with any consistency. With no D-Fence how can you out sore the other team if they have an average D-Fence and can stop some of you scoring?

  158. By Immureglass21 on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    but he then returned to the vikings and started to get injured again but that was towards the end of his career.

  159. By DRS on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    Oops That should have been get not great, sorry.

  160. By Parody on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    @DRS & Immureglass21 – I looked into Johnson’s Super Bowl win last night. It appears as if the result of the game didn’t have a whole lot to do with the fact that Johnson was at QB. That Buccs team had an AMAZING defense. They got 5-interceptions and 3-TDs in the Super Bowl! That’s a statistic that almost never happens in a regular season game, and the Buccs were able to accomplish it in the biggest, most difficult game of the year. Johnson was just a game manager, probably not much better than Sanchez has been for the Jets.

  161. By DRS on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    Immureglass21, we seem to be good at getting QBs that are at the end of their playing years, some were good and some were not. Like Farve, he should have played the one year and then said farewell on an upbeat.

  162. By Immureglass21 on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    Yea Parody your right It was their defense that did win it for them and they did have a great defense with Sapp, Brooks, and Lynch.

  163. By DRS on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    Parody, that may be, though you have proven my point, it takes great D-Fences to win games, that is if the team has an good offense

  164. By DRS on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    I feel that it does not take a reel talented QB to be a great QB, it takes a good QB with a great defensive and offensive team around him to be a great QB.

  165. By Immureglass21 on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    DRS, yea looking at list that Parody posted it only looks like a hand full of those QBs where actually drafted by the Vikes. And as for Farve I also agree with you that he should of retired. I think he probably felt pressured into coming back last and didn’t seem very motivated but yet again the whole team didn’t seem motivated.

  166. By DRS on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    So, Vikings please fix the D-Fence and maybe you can start winning once more.

  167. By DRS on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    Immureglass21, you may be right, I hope they can find their motivation soon.

  168. By DRS on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    Here is to a win next week, and God bless U all.

  169. By DRS on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    later

  170. By Frederick Jones on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    @Titus and Parody,

    31 starting qbs in Vikings history. Well why didn’t you say so in the first place.
    Even if that is true, how can you rate Tarvaris Jackson 12th? Certainly he had enough POTENTIAL to be the 12th best.

    What I was thinking about was the TOTAL number of QBs on the Vikings roster in our 52 year history. I would guess that number to be close to 2 0 0.

    It might make sense to rate the TOP FIVE Viking QBs based on a set criteria like
    Mobility, Throwing Long, Throwing Short, Leadership, Quick Release.

  171. By DRS on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Most_wins_by_a_starting_quarterback_(NFL)

  172. By DRS on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    Frederick Jones, it looks like we have had 31 QBs.

  173. By DRS on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    Starting that is.

  174. By Frederick Jones on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    The post I am referring to appeared in “Ponder P a s s i n g the test under pressure”

    BACK TO THE FUTURE rated the Viking Passers from #1 thru #12 which was interesting. I thought it was a very flawed ranking since the Vikings have had about 2 0 0 QBs in their 52 year history.

    It would take about 3,157 pages to explain a top 12, and there is NO WAY Tarvaris Jackson ranks anywhere near the top 20, let alone the top 12.

    And I was one of the few who would have preferred to keep Jackson and let him develop!

  175. By DRS on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    Fran Tarkenton is in the top five most winning QBs in the NFL, along with Farve; the Vikings have had some great QBs.

  176. By Frederick Jones on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    HIRE A GENERAL MANAGER TO FIX THE VIKINGS FRANCHISE!!!

    (So said a force of one.)

  177. By DRS on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    Frederick Jones, Have to agree with you on that. The Vikings do seem to go through allot of QBs from time to time, They even let Fran go just to get him back, Front Office always seems to be questionable from time to time, but hindsight is hindsight, so here is hoping that the Viking get their act together and get better team players, especially on defense. Let us see if any of the rookies can fill in the needs of the defense in the remaining games.

  178. By DRS on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    Frederick Jones, U may be right, have a great day my man. So long for now.

  179. By sandiamond on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    On Friday’s usatoday features undrafted rookies or high round draft rookies making a suprise impact this season in the nfl

    This week:Doug Baldwin WR Seahawks (undrafted)
    Denarius Moore WR Raiders ( fifth round)
    Brian Rolle LB Eagles (sixth round)
    Jacquian Williams LB Giants (sixth round)

    None this season for the vikings.waiting the rest of the season to see if any of Rick’s picks can become a steal!

  180. By DRS on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    Just came across this;

    http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2011/11/17/man-hopes-billboard-will-help-get-vikings-a-stadium/

    Have a great day one and all.

  181. By Titus on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    Frederick – get out for a run– this is one of the last nice days– tomorrow there will be measurable snow.

  182. By Parody on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    Fred – Even if the team has averaged 3 new QBs EVERY year, they would have only had 156 total QBs. So I think it’s a pretty safe bet that the Vikings have had significantly fewer than 100 total QBs since they began.

    Also, I don’t think that a QB who never did enough to earn a starting role with the team is going to have much chance competing with one who started 20+ games. If these unnamed QBs were all so much better than Jackson, how was it that none of them were given the chance to prove it on game day? So for at least 95% of the QBs who didn’t receive mention from my post, they definitely didn’t deserve mention over a player who started in 20-games.

    I’m not saying that Jackson was that great, just that the people who weren’t mentioned were significantly worse than him. I know how hard it is to admit that, but it is the truth.

  183. By Titus on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    So, is Tarvaris better by mere number of games played? That logic has many holes, Parody.

  184. By BACK TO THE FUTURE on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    Tarvaris just needed proper coaching– he can be a hall of famer.

  185. By Parody on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    Titus – I’m not saying that I presented it with flawless logic, but the number of starts is at least a realistic measure to imply things about their skills.

    Why would you continue to start a player if you have two others on the team who are better at the job? Incompetant coaching is usually the preferred rebuttal to this, but I doubt that the majority of our coaching has been so incompetent to make a significant difference in this measure.

  186. By Parody on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    I did qualify the argument by saying that Frerrôtte and some others were better QBs than Jackson, even though they had fewer starts. Circümstances such as age when they joined the team made the difference in this measure.

    Jackson was a middle of the road QB for guys we’ve drafted. There’s no question that Tarkenton, Kramer, and Culpepper are obviously ahead of him. Brad Johnson was better too, we just didn’t give him enough of a chance. Wade Wilson might get the nod over Tarvaris, but Jackson is probably better than guys like Thigpen and Bòóty, and currently the jury is still out on Webb and Ponder.
    But we’ve drafted 26-QBs since the inception of the team, and I feel safe in saying that Jackson is at least in the top half of that group.
    We had a lot of QBs early on drafted in rounds 8 and later. There was a guy in the second round who I never heard of (Bill Cappleman) and 4th rounders (Mike Wells, steve Dils, Chad May) among others, who don’t appear to have ammounted to anything. I feel safe in concluding that Jackson is a better QB than them.

  187. By Parody on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    BTTF – Anybody could become a hall of famer with proper coaching and perfect circümstances. Realistically, however, Jackson doesn’t have the head on his shoulders to pull it off with anything short of a perfect situation around him.

  188. By DuaneN on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    The defense will never be great. Dome teams win with high powered offense end of story.

  189. By Frederick Jones on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    @Parody,

    I’m not sure what you are arguing about.

    Even if the number of QBs is less than 100, Tarvaris Jackson (as much as I liked him) should not be in the top 12. In fact I’m not sure at this point that he would rank in the top 50!

    @Back to the Future,

    I do think Jackson has great potential. We haven’t seen it yet.

  190. By Parody on Nov 18, 2011 | Reply

    Fred, name 50-QBs the Vikes have had who were better than Jackson, and give a solid argument for why.

  191. By sandiamond on Nov 19, 2011 | Reply

    Parody I think and (hope) you are wrong about the vikings current draft rank. Not fair that we play the toughest teams and get booted to the back if we tie other teams in the final standings.

    nfl.com shows #3
    http://www.nfl.com/standings?category=league

    rules: Clubs not participating in the playoffs shall select in the first through 20th positions in reverse standings order.If ties exist , such ties shall be broken by strength-of-schedule. If any ties cannot be broken by strength-of-schedule, the divisional or conference tie-breakers, if applicable, shall be applied. Any ties that still exist shall be broken by a coin flip.

  192. By Parody on Nov 19, 2011 | Reply

    Sandia – “ties shall be broken by strength of schedule.” This means that teams who played more difficult opponents (opponents who have more wins) are a better team because they were able to maintain the same record under tougher circümstances. That’s why we were at the back of the list last year with the Lions – our division had the most difficult schedule of all the 6-10 teams.

  193. By sandiamond on Nov 19, 2011 | Reply

    Ok i was having a hard time understanding but now i know. thxs
    hopefully that will not be in play where ever we finish for ex 5-11,6-10 just stand alone and take our draft position

  194. By Viking-fan-in-Tenn on Nov 20, 2011 | Reply

    Can’t see many Viking’s games here in Tennessee, anyone have a link for todays game ?

  195. By sandiamond on Nov 20, 2011 | Reply

    Tenn one option: sliptreamtvdotcom usually somewhere in channels 2-12

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