Seeing The Big Picture On The Stadium Issue

Posted by Mike Wobschall on November 2, 2011 – 12:40 pm

The stadium issue in Minnesota remains at the front of the news cycle, and for good reason. State leadership has struggled to come to resolution and all the while the Vikings Metrodome lease rapidly approaches expiration. In fact, the Vikings lease lasts only 4 more games.

With all the developments and layers to this issue, it’s natural for the casual Vikings fan to feel overwhelmed and under-informed. Heck, sometimes I feel that way, and I’m working inside the walls of Winter Park.

But in Wednesday’s edition of the Star Tribune, columnist Jim Souhan, with the help of local entrepreneur and author Harvey Mackay, who helped earn approval for the bargain and state asset that is the Metrodome, sheds some light on what ultimately this issue means for the state of Minnesota and its residents.

Early in his piece, Souhan writes that he and Mackay agreed on the following:

Big-time sports offer immense tangible and intangible benefits; the Vikings are the most popular entity in the state; losing them would be an embarrassment to our cities and state; the price of building a stadium only goes up every year; building a stadium creates jobs and stimulates at least a portion of the economy; if we lost the team we eventually would pay three-fold to replace it.

After reading that part of the column, I couldn’t help but continue. Click here to read Souhan’s excellent piece; it’s definitely worth the read. Here are a few important take-aways…

Exposure for the state
If you’re a resident of Minnesota, you might not think of it this way, but do you realize how much publicity the State of Minnesota receives each time the Vikings are televised? If you’re a football fan from another state tuning into the Vikings game, you are hit repeatedly with mentions and references to the state.

“Every time the Vikings are on TV, the numbers are enormous,” Mackay told Souhan. “The last time I checked, Minnesota was mentioned 237 times on a three-hour broadcast. Last week I called up an ad guy and, holy cow, he told me that upwards of 40 percent of the entire state was reached by the Vikings game. That’s pretty awesome.

“You’ve got two million USA Todays reporting on the Vikings, plus the New York Times, Sports Illustrated, all the national publications. There are not enough zeros to measure the number of people made aware of Minnesota through the Vikings.”

Making Minnesota More Appealing
We live in a great state here in Minnesota. But we shouldn’t want to keep it all to ourselves. We want more businesses to come here because it will help the local economy. We want more tourists to travel here for the same reason. We want youngsters to attend our schools, businesses to relocate here, existing businesses to expand, etc. Having a professional football team in the state makes it easier to accomplish those tasks.

“We’re competing with adjacent states for jobs,” Mackay said. “All these other states want me to take my factory and move it, to find a cheaper place, to pay lower taxes. I think the legislators know what kind of market we’re in. It’s dog-eat-dog and rat-eat-rat.

“Having major league sports separates us from many other places. And here, we’re talking about an owner who’s willing to invest $400 million in a stadium that is an asset for our state.”

Souhan says
Mackay wasn’t alone in painting a great portrait of the big picture. Souhan was passing along a similar message. He concluded his piece with the following, which was stated simply and logically:

“What everyone should remember as the debate turns risky and complicated is that the costs of building a stadium will be far less than the costs of losing the team, and far less than the costs of replacing the team,” Souhan wrote. “This isn’t a ‘sports” issue. This is a competitive market and quality-of-life issue.”

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262 Responses to “Seeing The Big Picture On The Stadium Issue”

  1. By Lucas on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    Is there anything else that we as very committed Vikings fans can do to get this stadium to happen? If we lose the Vikings the NFL loses my whole family.

  2. By Super Freak on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    I agree Lucas, my life might come to an end if the Vikings leave.

  3. By Sir Greasy Panda on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    I’ve never been to Minnesota but I am a huge Vikings fan from California. If it werent for the Vikings I would never think about Minnesota. That team, I believe, is the face of that state for most of people who have never been to Minnesota. I cannot imagine them any where else. It is a part of that state and its history. If the state legislators allow the team to leave to LA and the Vikings win a Super Bowl within a couple years with AP, Ponder, Jared Allen, Percy Harvin and Greenway it will be a shame to all the fans that stuck with the team for so long waiting for a Super Bowl. The history of the NFC north and NFC central will be torn apart. The intense rivalries that are as old as any in the US will vanish. These people are playing with more than just tax payers money, its history, its people’s devotion to this team, family and friends that bond because of this team, people who look to this team as an escape from life’s problems.This team means so much to me and I do not want it to leave Minnesota even if they will be closer to me I’d rather have them in Minnesota.

  4. By Nikki on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    Write the government officials….I’ve been doing so…not sure any of it is getting through to any of them but I have to. I feel helpless and outraged that it has come to this!

  5. By Sir Greasy Panda on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    Vikings vs Packers, Vikings vs Bears, Vikings vs Lions sounds a million times better than:
    Vikings vs Seahawks, Vikings vs Cardinals, Vikings vs 49ers

    Hey NFC north enjoy watching the Rams 6 times a year!!!

  6. By Sir Greasy Panda on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    Hey Mike Wobs if the Vikings move to LA will you???

  7. By Roninmn.. on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    We all have to call our state reps. and tell them to get this stadium issue completed. It’s a win win for all. Who is holding this thing up?

  8. By Lars R on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    They talk about money?? I haven’t heard one thing about the taxes you lose from everything surrounding the Vikings. Sales on everything, players wages, ect. Your throwing away money here!!!!

  9. By Jeffbleedspurple on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    I don’t know about Mike W, but I know I will! I won’t pay another penny of taxes in this state and that’s as sure as the sun. People here are out of their minds, like Mike said, they don’t see the big picture, only a fricking half a penny tax increase, what they don’t see is what the organization brings to the state, not to mention all the fund raisers and community events that they participate in.
    And for what? cus they don;t watch football? will there are a lot of things my taxes pay for that I don’t use, the big one being state welfare, never used it and never will, but my taxes help support it.
    I’M SO ANGRY!!

  10. By Shawn on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    Since MN is a red state its crystal clear what the problem is ( if your not a typical programmed voter )





  11. By Shawn on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    @Jeffbleedspurple … you said it , Minesotans are out of their minds and have been programmed by republican tea party NON SENSE.


  12. By Shawn on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    Mike Wobs also pointed out another FACT … Vikings are a HUGE advertisment for MN and whatever they got going.

    But Republican leaders have made its followers believe in NON SENSE


    I will never set foot in MN again if the Vikings leave

  13. By Shawn on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    Republican “leaders” are smart …..

    they have figured out how to get people they hate to vote for them …

    they have figured out how to get people they destroy to vote for them …

    and they fill their pockets with taxpayer money ….


  14. By NovaScotiaVike on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    You know i won’t.

  15. By Shawn on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    Its just plain ignorance …

    WAH … what used to cost 10 dollars will now cost $10.01 … wah *sniffles*

    REPUBLICAN NON SENSE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  16. By vikingblood on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    a sad sad day is comming to the state of minnesota, the GOP and the tea party, who have the majority in your senate,are gonna use stall tactics just like they do in washinton to kill the stadium and your team will be gone. I for the life of me cant come up with a single reason not to get this done. its a no brainer a win win for all minnesotans and the team.7500 jobs for 3-4 yrs not to mention the windfall of revenue for the state and in the world can a .05% sales tax hike effect the quality of life for the good folks on minnesota. my state sales tax is 8.25% and i still eat every day.Here is a glimpze into your future when the vikings are gone. resturants, bars ,and hotels will be forced to close there doors, the people who are jobless will get no help from the tea party. the same people they voted for.the revenue the team brings will dry up and die, along with it more jobs. please stop the maddness up there, the tea party crawls into your brain like a earrwigg telling you the country is broke and you cant afford to pay for the vikings, well the real truth is that the alternitive is much worse and i fear you all will find ouy what that means. as for me i will always love this team no matter where they end up. Let this be a lesson to all , you get what you vote for

  17. By NovaScotiaVike on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    Here’s a good example…..a few years ago 5 of my friends (all New England fans), and I flew to Minneapolis to see the Pats-Vikes. We made it into town and stayed Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday, leaving on Monday. During that time we collectively spent over $20,000 in Minnesota. This was not only out-of-state money coming in, this was out-of-country money coming in. I have done this numerous times over the last 25 years,not just in Minnesota, but in several mid-western and northeastern states. If the Vikings leave, my interest in the NFL goes with them and my dollars stay in Canada.

  18. By ozzinator on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    @Shawn, don’t let the door hit you in the arse on the way out.
    Have faith.

  19. By Shawn on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    Ozzinator …i left a long time ago … only go back for Viking games, cant relate to ignorance

    Ozzinator … are corporations people ?

    keep voting like the programmed robot you are.

  20. By Shawn on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    Are corporations people ?

    You would think thats a dumb question, however with 1/2 the country having no ability to use the brain in their scull … they vote for the people who say corporations are people.

    Ozz … your one of the dopes, figured I should tell you since you think corporations are people since your leaders told you to think that

  21. By Ted Brown 23 on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    If this state loses the Vikings I’m gonna start a petition to rename the state East Dakota

  22. By Parody on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    Shawn – What are you trying to accomplish? Insults will never convince people to agree with you and will not make you any friends. Try to find an intellectual argument to back your position rather than simply screaming your hate for everyone who doesn’t think the way you do.

  23. By 3DONTHERADIO on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    Notice to any state senators or legislators that might happen to read this blog; if the Vikings end up leaving on your watch in government, well, good luck getting re-elected. The fact that this has got to this point is crazy.

  24. By Justin F on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    If there’s anyone to talk to, talk to the republican party. They are the Party of No, and are backed by the Tea Party. They don’t like Gambling, raising the sales tax, or using funds to pay for sports venues. Kurt Zellers, the speaker in the house, is the mouthpiece of the party. Contact him and tell him that it’s very important that this issue needs to be resolved by the end of the year. DON”T WAIT UNTIL APRIL BEFORE ACTING because the Vikings will leave.

  25. By 3DONTHERADIO on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    @ Parody – Right on ! For some reason, Shawn doesn’t appear to know how long this has been a democrat controlled state, just like he doesn’t appear to know that this is a football related site. Getting kind of tired of his constant political rants.

  26. By Jeffbleedspurple on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    If the Vikings leave they can call it anything they wan’t as far as I am concerned, OK! East Dakota sounds good.

  27. By john on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    revenue lost if minnesota vikings leave will need to be made up so there no new taxes is bogus garbage..if u lose them u lose 200 million in taxes…kurt zellers is a complete goof…investing in the nfl is smart business there not going any where but up…that new stadium will pay back 4 times as much as u spend to build it…they should make it 97,000 seat one for a super bowl bid…i believe in investing in my state not the thinking let them go no big deal….have fun paying the 200 million if they leave ……. think about it… has to be made up…that means new taxes on something…lol zelllers….what a ding bat ,he’s not telling u the whole story…just trying to look like a knight in fake armor

  28. By Peter G. on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    Move the Packers to L.A. Those fans like winners and whiners, so they will love Erin, Clay and the gals. Plus the Pack doesn’t do as much for Wisconsin as the Vikings do for Minnesota – Green Bay doesn’t need to attract young professionals to big companies like Medtronic, 3M, Target, Best Buy etc. If the Pack were in Madison, it would be a different story. They are the ONLY team from a rural village – I’ll bet even the players would prefer a real city.

  29. By Jeffbleedspurple on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    Maybe I need to find a life in Canada! Really don’t want to move back to California, taxes for this, taxes for that, in an online article and women responded to the news about the tax increase being shot down for the new stadium, her comment was! ” Good! I am glad their leaving, now my husband can spend more time with his family on sundays instead of going to bars watching football” This is the mentality of Minnesotans, is she a fool? he will find another reason to go to the bars on sunday, stupid!!

  30. By Shawn on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    Parody … you cant talk to republican supporters. they have no souls. more machines now.

    they believe corporations are people and if your poor you dont deserve to live. Dont get sick cause your life has no value

    I dont care if people dont like me , AS LONG AS IM SPEAKING THE TRUTH IT DOESNT MATTER

    I have not heard many truths from a single republican ever … SOMEONE NEEDS TO SAY WHATS WHAT


  31. By Shawn on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    @Jeffbleeds … its frusterating. but you can see from these blogs how dumb 1/2 the country is

    The country has a black eye from republican non sense and ignorant supporters

  32. By Shawn on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    @3DON … keep your eyes closed and your ears plugged until your told what to think

    Are corporations people?

    Dumb A**

  33. By Shawn on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply



  34. By aaron rodgers on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    Why do the vikings suck so much at life.

    Why do morons in minnesoda even care?

  35. By Parody on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    Shawn – What “truth” do you speak?
    you cant talk to republican supporters. they have no souls
    What truth is there behind this? My father is a republican and shows how much soul he has every day. You will be very ahrd pressed to find someone who is more eager to help others out. You, on the other hand, appear to be showing very little for quality of a soul, if you have one at all. All I ever see from you is factless insults towards an entire group of people.

    I have not heard many truths from a single republican ever

    keep your eyes closed and your ears plugged until your told what to think

    While you prefer to keep your eyes closed and your ears plugged so you can make up lies to support what you want to think. The only reason you “have not heard many truths from a single replublican” is because you refuse to listen.

    Your war against a group of people is only making things worse for yourself. Instead, try to find a way to make things better for everyone.

  36. By aaron rodgers on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    why do i get an erection every time i see a clay mathews flex his biceps or arod pretend to be a pro wrestler?

  37. By aaron rodgers on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    at least I know where I will be playing next year – kickin’ butt in green bay

    you weirdo viking freaks could be almost anywhere – maybe even nebraska.

    Why do the vikings suck so much at life and why does anyone want to build them a stadium?

  38. By Shawn on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    Parody …. My dads republicant as well, I have said millions of times I dont believe in absolutes.

    You got me on putting 100% republicants into a box … good job. Im sure theres a good one somewhere.

    I watched the debates and a few of them have a unique good idea but then the always go back to the take from the poor and give to the rich propoganda making it impossible to like one of them

  39. By Shawn on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    Parody also if you are unable to distiguish between frusteration of the vikings leaving and actual personal hatred … Sorry

    Clearly all my rants start with the stadium and the only sports team i love being pushed out by reps and their supporters


  40. By Shawn on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    Parody you said .. “The only reason you “have not heard many truths from a single replublican” is because you refuse to listen. ”

    You are wrong I do listen , I need to know what they say so Im not ignorant when debating with my dad.

    I have listened to Fox

    I have listened to glen beck

    i have listened to the republican debates

    i have listened to each candidate …


    yet I have listened to all of them …

    So Parody maybe its you that doesnt listen.

  41. By GM on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    Keep bloggin’ Shawn. Don’t stop. Let the people know what a Liberal is.

  42. By Roninmn.. on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    Can we start a petition to send to the Mn. state gov. that we want a new stadium and we will pay the small amount of tax that is needed? I will be the first one to sign it. There are plenty of entitlements that I don’t get from all the taxes I pay. But if it goes to someone less fortunate that really needs it, I don’t care. The tax money we pay will repay itself over and over for the state of mn. and it’s tax payers. This is an investment in our state.

  43. By Shawn on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    I better point out that Ron Paul does not sound like the rest of the robots on stage … thats respectable

    but hes LIBERTARIAN

    Romney was once human but now spits out the same nonsense as the rest of them

    Bachman and or Cain … not very smart

    There was one guy cant remeber his name from Utah … might be one of the better ones but I would need to hear more

    Rick Perry = George Bush clone

    Newt … says the same nonsense as the rest

    hmmm did i forget someone ????

  44. By GM on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

  45. By Roninmn.. on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    Thanks GM

  46. By 3DONTHERADIO on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    @ Shawn – Is calling me a name in your response somehow supposed to show what a ” Anti-corporation – I’m for the people ” kind of person you are? If so You’re doing a lousy job of it. And by the way – quit lying to yourself. There are many times where your post’s have nothing to do with football – on this thread and many others. You might call me a “Dumb A** fella, but just so you know, it’s “Frustrated” not “Frusterated”

  47. By Karen on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    No Taxes – well how about if when everyone is at at home game donate $5.00 to the new stadium. 65,000 x $5.00 = $325,000 for only 1 game!!!! Problem solved!

  48. By JeffyK on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    Why do Iowa’s trees bend north? Cause Minnesota SUCKS! (unless they keep my beloved Vikings!)

    My one and only tie to the state of Minnesota is the Vikings. Other then that nothing. I come up 2 times a year to spend my Iowa made money, In your state. If this team leaves, I will never be back.

  49. By Karen on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    Aaron Rodgers – aren’t you a pro?? Then act like one. Your fans are the rudess ever. And if you are proud to be a Packer then act like it. There is no reason to cut down the Vikings at all. Out of all of these blogs no one is saying anything about the Packers. So grow up!!

  50. By Cesar on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    I cant lose this team!!! I love the vikings! im a young fan and barley started to become a huge fan, its disappointing that i finally have a mn team i root for each season and now in jeopardy of leaving

  51. By Tyler on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply


    I’m a republican. And believe it or not, I do have a soul. I don’t see why you have to turn this into a left vs. right issue when that’s not it at all. The reason the Republicans are sticking to this No-Tax thing is that they believe that there was a referendum on the spending policies of the left, and that the people of Minnesota voted the GOP in because they wanted to see more fiscal restraint. I, for one, think this is a good thing.

    While I don’t agree with building a stadium outside of downtown, i think it has to be done. Because if the Vikings do leave, the Legislature here will realize their mistake and eventually get a stadium built, then try to entice Jacksonville or whatever other mediocre team wants to come here. I think there needs to be a STATEWIDE tax, even something as small as 3 cents for every 20 dollars spent, to get this done. This burden should not be placed on one county. The Vikings are a state-wide entity, and this needs to be spread around. And I for one think that the Wilfs and the NFL should kick in more money. The owners and league stand to make a fortune if this stadium is built. If a stadium is 1 billion, then the Wilfs throw in the 400 million and the league should throw in another 100 million. All the owners stand to make more money from this, they can share in the cost.

    Oh, and by the way Shawn: you really shrink the power of your argument when you can’t spell. So you might want to work on that instead of ranting unfounded facts.

  52. By dave on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    Start a recall of these elected officials.

  53. By Twoodsnvikes on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    The Vikings certainly don’t NEED a new stadium. I have been to plenty of games at the metrodome and have wondered why everyone thinks its so terrible. I’m sure compared to all the new billion dollar stadiums it is far behind, but I think it is fine. I think the vikes are mostly trying to strong arm the state into paying for part of it at this point. We all know the Wilfs, if push came to shove, could foot that extra 400 million or whatever it is, but it’s cheaper for others to have to pay for it. I’m surprised by all of the people crying about how the state gov doesn’t want to increase taxes for the working man because they don’t want billionaire ziggi wilf to pay extra? It’s a bit contradictory.

  54. By VikesOwn on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    everybody sign up for the ipetition please it will help for the stadium if u want the vikes to stay sign up i gave them 100 bucks of my credit card. if u want the link GM said it in a comment

  55. By absaroka2 on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    Can’t believeit!! These IDIOTS should be able to figure out something! How would this work? Wilfs put up their $400 mil for Ramsey county Arden Hills.(that’s where they would like to build) Ramsey county puts up their $300 mil & we are still short $400 mil or so. Why can’t they put the $400 mil into stock options on the NYSE & sell shares. $500 a shares x 800,000 investors= $400,000,000. I will buy a few shares in a heartbeat!! There should be a few million people out there that would love to own a piece of an NFL stadium! When it’s paid off, we get dividend pmts. once a year on all the conventions we can lease out in the off season & bring thousands of vistors & millions of $$$ into Mn (I live in Montana now) but love my Vikes as I was raised there. LET’S GIT’ER DONE! The Packer’s are owned by the public, why not the Vike’s?

  56. By Karen on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    Twoodsnvikes – I agree – however, then the state should have not helped the Twin, Timberwolves and Gophers. The Vikings said that they would wait there turn and now it is there turn and look what happens!

  57. By VikesOwn on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    man just build the sstadium how hard is it to settle on a agrement you will lose money if they leave o.m.f.g they cant leaveee and why isnt my other comment showing up i love the vikes they cant leave ahhhh wut will i watch on tv what will i do on sunday this sucks they got to stay

  58. By Shawn on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    Tyler … Your fiscal retraint theory is BS. Your party “leaders” spend as much as they accuse liberals of spending. Its just that Liberals spend on things that help people in need and Conservatives spend on death.

    Conservatives spend on bombs

    Conservatives spend on the war on drugs … but as the typical hypocricy in the republican party only drugs that werent made by a corporation are illegal. The drugs grown from the earth are illegal but the chemical equivelant corporatly created version is legal.

    Consevatives spend on keeping people imprisoned for nothing. Like pot heads.

    This is my point your “leaders” LIE and you followers believe them.

    O by the way are corporations people? Its by my caring nature I respond to you because any sane person would ignore the ignorance …

  59. By Shawn on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    Twoods … again spreading non sense , the Wilfs are spending the 3rd most in NFL history hows that a bad thing? It so frusterating listening to people like you turn reality into NONSENSE

  60. By Aceviking on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    Shawn- Just FYI, the governor, who is making this the most difficult for the Vikes is a Democrat. So is everyone else he is working with, so if the Vikings move you can blame the Donkey.

  61. By GM on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply


    The money does not go to help the stadium cause, it is a donation to the owners of the petition website. At least that’s what I read.

  62. By GM on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    Some people regard private enterprise as a predatory tiger to be shot. Others look on it as a cow they can milk. Not enough people see it as a healthy horse, pulling a sturdy wagon.

    Winston Churchill

  63. By Titus on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    Nice quote GM.

  64. By Colorado Viking fan on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    Ever looked at the Purple and Gold that visits the airport on weekends the Vikes play at home? All that gold equals green. If the Vikes go I go with them. I will never watch a game again. I will not visit the Norseland to watch the team I grew up watching in South Dakota. You want loss of revenue well you will get it. The revenue of us that visit. Those that are employed not only as players, but everyone that is employed and pays taxes. Wake up and get this thing done. Or you will lose. You will lose it all.

  65. By MNPACK on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    I’m going to be dissapointed to see the Vikes go west. As a Green Bay fan I’ve always looked forward to the GB @ MIN game every year. Since I live in the Metro area the drive is short and the tickets are cheaper than Lambeau. A new stadium would be awesome to watch a great rivalry game. Without the Vikings there will be no competition in the NFC North. Don’t let them go Minnesota. The tax raise is small, and would be worth it to keep the Vikings where they belong, in Minnesota.

  66. By paul on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    Here’s a solution to your state wide sales tax issue.

    Instead of trying to raise the sale tax by 1/2 of 1% just divert 1/2 of 1% of existing state wide sale tax revenue.
    Here’s your money now build your stadium.

  67. By NovaScotiaVike on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    On January 1, to ring in the new year and celebrate what might be the last game ever in Minnesota, why not sharpen the goalposts and have a politician-kebab?

  68. By Arrow86 on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    My question is. Why doesn’t the NFL let teams like the Vikings sell a stadium share or bond to it’s fans? What if we as fans could generate even 10% of this stadium money? Why can’t creative solutions be found without getting the political dunder-heads involved? They want to play on their fiscal responsibility while they throw millions into a hole following one boondoggle after another. Not everyone enjoys professional sports, and their are many infrastructure and social programs that are underfunded. It would be a user tax. What would an extra $10 a ticket to be put toward the public funded portion of the stadium. At least 10 times each season $600,000 would be raised. $6 mill a year times 20 years is $120 million.

  69. By NovaScotiaVike on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    Longwell hits a game-winning 46 yd. field goal against the Bears that caroms in off of the impaled governor’s head.

  70. By NovaScotiaVike on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    Paul Allen……..IT”S GOOD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  71. By Arrow86 on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    All major sports leagues do create these problems for the fans. They are constantly dangling expansion or relocation to cities that do not have teams and are willing to build a stadium. Those taxpayers are on the hook for the future team coming to town. Then a smaller market team or a consistently mediocre team owner pays that city a visit, goes back home and says, “Build me a stadium like Anytown, USA has.”

    The leagues need to franchise their stadiums, so all teams have a similar capacity, similar attributes. If it works for McDonald’s it can work for the NBA, and NFL.

    Kansas City built Arrowhead and Kaufman stadium back in the 60’s. They’ve had periodic facelifts, but have stood the test of time.

    Tampa built Tropicana field to bring the Rays to town. Now that the team is a success, they can’t sell out, and guess what? They want a new stadium.

  72. By Twoodsnvikes on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    Shawn you’re only mad because it’s true, cry to protect the lower class but you want to raise his taxes and protect a billionaire? Typical liberal hypocrit

  73. By NovaScotiaVike on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    ” Longwell really nailed that one” !!!!!!

  74. By GM on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    My advice to the Vikings:

    1. Ditch the #1 headache, the state government.

    2. Eliminate the retractable roof in favor of an open stadium. Should save $$

    3. Build the impertinent structures in later phases.

    4. Only improve immediate access routes. The state can deal with the rest of it.

    5. Sell the naming rights. (Land O’ Lakes Stadium is my personal fav.)

    6. Negotiate a deferment on all taxes the stadium will generate as long as you can.

    7. Have a bake sale every saturday morning and a fish boil every friday night with the seasonal lutefisk and smelt feeds.

    feel free to add to the list :)

  75. By DRG on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    SHAWN is a bleeding heart LIBERAL, he’ll take your guns and ban all hunting. One word for you you moron, OBAMA.

  76. By VegasVike on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    ONCE AGAIN, let me lay out my conspiracy theory. Titus, you remain vigilant in your predictions, here is mine. The Wilf’s will commit just enough money towards a new stadium that will not be built because it will come up money short. THEN, sell the team out of state and cry they did what they could do. Only to save face, any deal that involves big money equals BIG politics. WATCH AND SEE, if only there was a line on it in Vegas…

  77. By 3DONTHERADIO on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    I think some of us have hurt Shawn’s feelings – surprised he didn’t respond to my earlier post. Probably out buying a dictionary.

  78. By MNPACK on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    Gm I like how you think, open air is awesome! Land o lakes is good, or even “Grain Belt Field” oh yeah.

  79. By Austin on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    If I were Zygi, I’d tell the state of Minnesota to go take a hike, fund it himself and only allow the Minnesota Vikings to use the stadium.

  80. By Justin F on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    FInding a local partner – check
    Finding a site – check
    Finding options for funding – check
    Be patient for 10 years – check

    For the love of god, Zygi Wilf has done everything the state told them to do and yet the g o d d a m n people in the legislature say to them “No taxes without a referendum”. If I was Zygi, I would find that offensive. But he’s been a gentleman about it by continuing on his quest to get the stadium done.

  81. By aaron rodgers on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    GM – I don’t care for the Land O’Lakes Field naming idea. It would quickly receive the nickname Butterfinger Field, and give our passing attack some horrible karma.

  82. By bstephens on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    i look forward to the vikings every year and spend a lot of money buying there itams which is very hard in an area that is full of bungle fans if the vikings leave min i am done with the nfl and hope every elected person in min that shot the vikings down not only get voted out of office but kicked out of the state (if they don’t want football in there state go with the team and good ridence)

  83. By Reality Check on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    Justin– the state is not Zygi’s concierge.

  84. By VegasVike on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    Erin why don’t you take your stupid comments and bow the F U C off this site ya douche

  85. By Reality Check on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    Justin– Vegas’ posting is proven right by your posting. You are fooled like so many in the herd. See only what is in front of you. Now Baaa, and run along now.

  86. By MNPACK on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    aaronrodgers could be novascotiavike. Anyhow open air is the way it used to be back in the 70’s at the Met. That’s the way it should be.

  87. By Todd Forcellina on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    I cant believe it has come to this….This is so sad. I have written this many times to MN. government officials and other forums looking for comments on this issue. I am a ten year season ticket holder from Connecticut (the land of taxes!!!). Between my tickets, flights, hotels, restaurants, shopping, rental car and about 50 other things I spend money on every year in Minnesota, I spend THOUSANDS of dollars every year in that great state. I know I am just one small fish in the pond. But I can honestly say that if the Vikings leave Minnesota, I will probably NEVER go back again. A 50 year institution is about to be let go because of some political stupidity and a short sighted population of people who have absolutely no clue how bad it will be if this team leaves. THE VIKINGS BELONG IN MINNESOTA!!!!!

  88. By MNPACK on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    I agree with Austin.

  89. By MNPACK on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    If you have comcast on demand, and have NFL channel, go to top 10 home field advantage stadiums. The Metropolitan stadium in bloomington is at #10. It was said that the cold temps were part of the reason the Vikings made 4 Superbowls. Bring back those days! Open air or bust. It IS an advantage.

  90. By HawaiianBoy_VikingsFan on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    Don’t know if this is on here yet, but the Daily Norseman is handing out Kurt Zellers number: 651-296-5502.

    So, if you guys who live in Minny could swamp his phone with messages/calls saying that he is personally letting the Vikes leave the state, that would be great.

    Seriously folks, I hope we pull off an OT win and get a stadium built in minnesota, otherwise your government should be so SHAME.

    Get it done!

  91. By VegasVike on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    Thanx Reality, politicians come in all shapes and forms but always for the same reason, MONEY!!

  92. By Reality Check on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    You’re welcome, Vegas. But watch your potty mouth please.

  93. By VegasVike on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    10-4 will do, been a rough day Reality for financial reasons. You know where I live and the economy finally caught me today. It’s difficult to listen to the bickering of millionaires today, sorry.

  94. By Reality Check on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    Maybe a win against Green Bay on Monday night will help the cause — but I argued with someone the other day who overheard me talking football— he about had a fit saying his taxes should not pay for a stadium. He asked if the Vikings won on Sunday– I said yes. He said, does one win justify a new stadium?

    I tried to explain what the stadium and team does for the local economy, but he would not hear of it. Next time I see him I will explain that I have no children, so why should I pay taxes for his kids’ schooling? (Even though we all benefit from having an educated society- as we benefit from having an NFL franchise.)

  95. By MNPACK on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    Lambeau is #1 on the list.

  96. By SaskatchewanVikesFan on Nov 2, 2011 | Reply

    I retired last year and, as a retirement gift to myself, my wife and I flew to Minneapolis for a Vikings-packers game (although the Vikes got creamed, I had the opportunity to 1) See Bret Favre in action 2) see Brad Childress’s last game as Head Coach 3) see the Super Bowl champs- to- be in action and 4) witness the last home game prior to the roof collapse).
    We spent a week in your beautiful, cultured city. Canada has the reputation of having the most polite people in the world, but I must say we were bowled over by the politeness we encountered in your city from young and old! We spent plenty of $$$ during that week (bought an authentic Vikes helmet, several jerseys and other Vike knickknacks). Point is this: we met lots of people from Canada going to the game by shuttle from our hotel. Ergo, PLENTY OF OUTSIDE $$$ coming in to Minnesota from other states and countries. If not for the Vikes, we wouldn’t have considered visiting MN, but we already are planning to go back.


  97. By Jake G on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply

    This is the most pathetic thing ever, the Vikings are HUGE here in MN and we cannot lose them, it will be just like the darn lakers and northstars, we let the team go and then in a few years make a new team that will cost more than it would have just to build the darn stadium.

    I hate republicans every one of them should be admitted into a mental hospital.

    Seriously what is holding the stadium up, MN needs the Vikings! They are huge, we have many Iowa fans, north and south dakotas canadaians we have such a big fan base and the MN Vikes have been in the league for so long! Seriously build the stadium!

  98. By Jerry K on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply

    I LOVE the Vikings, but a few facts need to be cleared up. First, this is so far from a red state that its ridiculous. Second, the Tea Party has nothing to do with the Republican party, nor do they even have a voice in this issue. There were however, a lot of great comments in here. If the Vikings were asked to leave it would be disastrous to the economy here. Even if your not a fan it is still a question of economics. Revenue from the vikings over the period of time it would take for the lease to be up on a new stadium just as it is now would be enough to pay the state back 3 times over, which doesn’t even take into account the difference int he improved revenue stream the stadium will generate. Nor does it take into consideration the increase to the job market and the effects that will have on our economy. The thing that makes me the most sick to my stomach was the announcement that i heard this week. Right after they announced that they would not increase taxes to pay or the stadium (which was a decision by the Governor a democrat btw), they announced that they will be spending 200 million dollars to renovate the State Capitol. Now Im not against preserving such an important symbol for our state, but consider this that is a 200 million dollar investment that will yield ZERO return on the investment vs. 350 million that will return 5 fold the investment over the same time frame. Build the stadium and in a few years the Vikings will have given the state enough revenue to rebuild the capitol 3 times over. The complete lack of common sense by Governor Dayton and our other elected officials is mind numbing at best.
    Oh and BTW for those that will be getting all bent out of shape by my initial comments…. I am NOT a Republican!!

  99. By rye on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply

    The state is only being asked to pay 300 million. It would be pathetic if the state loses the vikings because they refused to pony up 300 million. Remember, this is not just for the vikings, the entire arden hills old army depot would be cleaned up and developed. Ramsey county and the vikings have already agreed to pay the rest of the tab.

  100. By Mike B. on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply

    I am a republican and the Tea Party is just a vocal minority in the party. The republicans have always been for expanding business opportunity and creating jobs. The issue is that there are too many politicans that are more concerned with getting reelected than doing what is right for their constituents. The hate between blue and red has to stop or we will continue to see this do nothing attitude in our elected officials. Tell your congressman that you want to find compromise and find a way to get important issues like the stadium done. We need to work together and promote business expansion and create jobs. That provides more taxes to pay for improvements. Doing nothing doesn’t generate anything.

  101. By NovaScotiaVike on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply

    MNPACk, no, Aaron Rodgers is not me. I have been on this site for a couple of couple of years, always with this name. I see no need to use another one.

  102. By Rocksalt on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply

    3 cheers for the party of no- they have turned down the Governor’s plans to include a special legislative session for the stadium issue…..
    I paraphrase the idiots in in the link below as saying “we don’t believe the vikings will leave, so we will wait until Janauary to hold meetings……”

  103. By NovaScotiaVike on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply

    Especially a Packer-related one.

  104. By Rocksalt on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply

    HomePoliticsState + Local
    Vikings stadium plans thrown into limbo
    Article by: MIKE KASZUBA and , RACHEL E. STASSEN-BERGER Updated: November 2, 2011 – 11:05 PM
    Dayton “surprised” GOP opposes a special session.

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    . Gov. Mark Dayton on Wednesday called off plans to hammer out a solution this month for a new Minnesota Vikings stadium, saying Republican leaders had abruptly “walked away” from the idea of a special legislative session.

    Key Republicans countered that the issue is not an emergency, dismissing speculation that the team is prepared to leave the state if no resolution is reached.

    A frustrated Dayton emerged from a tense meeting with Republicans and said he was postponing his plan to announce on Monday a stadium-funding proposal. The meeting came after another day of stadium politics that erupted after House Speaker Kurt Zellers messaged lawmakers Tuesday night to say he had “repeatedly” told Dayton he opposed a special session and felt the issue could wait until next year.

    While Zellers largely dodged questions on where he stood after the Wednesday meeting with Dayton, the DFL governor pointedly said that he was “very surprised” by Zellers’ comments.

    “Nobody’s ever told me explicitly that they opposed the special session,” Dayton said. “They walked away from it.”

  105. By NovaScotiaVike on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply

    You’re up early, Rock.

  106. By Rocksalt on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply

    how’s this for the BIG PICTURE
    0-the number of NFL teams in MN by 2013

  107. By Rocksalt on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply


  108. By NovaScotiaVike on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply

    I can’t hope for another team. I hate them all, because at one time or another each one beat the Vikes.

  109. By NovaScotiaVike on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply

    43 years down the drain.

  110. By Rocksalt on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply

    you, too, my friend..oh, well time to make coffee…….d.a.m.n stadium obstructionists

  111. By NovaScotiaVike on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply

    Seeya Rock, off to work.

  112. By Rocksalt on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply

    WHEN the Vikes leave, due to idiot repub legislators, it will pretty end my interest in NFL…….they are h3ll b ent on ruining MN………

  113. By Jeffbleedspurple on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply

    I hear you Nova! 45 years down the drain, picking a new team would be no different than trying to fall in love with a woman you hated for 45 years, impossible. I don’t know what else to do, I have called, I have written, I have talked friends and family in to calling and writting, I have suggested a donation box on our state tax return forms. This is going to be the hardest thing to sallow losing our football team, you ever seen a 50 year old man cry? You will soon enough.

  114. By Jeffbleedspurple on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply

    So do I become a Hockey fan again? I lost interest in Hockey when Minnesota let the North Stars leave, WILD? No Thanks! Basketball? Wolves! What a joke. Baseball? Twins!! Never been a huge baseball fan, but I do like the Twins, just not as thrilled about it as the Vikings.
    I feel really strange, like I don’t even know if I want to even watch them any more, like I should start to detach myself from the Vikings now.
    To bad there is no way in the little time we have left that we fans can show the state Minnesota what they are going to lose by letting this team leave.

  115. By Jeffbleedspurple on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply

    I wonder why it is I haven’t seen any advertisement here on TV what the state of Minnesota stands to lose if we lose our team, there has to be a way to try and reach out to these knuckleheaded Minnesotans to lay the facts out on the great asset the Vikings are to Minnesota, not only economically, but every contribution they make to the state and it’s communities, that’s the biggest problem, many just don’t know their value here in Minnesota, stupid people.

  116. By Jeffbleedspurple on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply


  117. By Mike B. on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply

    That’s part of the problem you don’t see ads on TV and that’s the Vikings PR problem. They have instead tried everything to keep it from the individual taxpayer’s hands. The Vikings figure since the Twins got theirs without out referendum why not us. They played that hand all along. It’s not working and now you are up against the wall and wonder why you can’t get support. You need the people of MN screaming for this stadium by advertising the pros for it and why it is necessary. This way there effort is postive from the voters to the governor and not the governor to the voters. Vikings been playing this very badly and never realized they needed to change gears and get voters involved.

  118. By toft on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply

    I was born in St. Paul and am one of the world’s most devoted Vikings fans, but if they leave i will deal with it and it will be Minnesota’s loss. I now live in Illinois and the only reason i ever step foot in the state of MN now is my yearly trip to watch the vikings and quite franklky i would rather make that yearly trip to California. If you do not get the stadium issue resolved you are a bunch of fools. (That is targeted at whomever is holding this deal up) !

  119. By DieHardViking on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply

    hey does anyone know if they would keep the same name and colors?

  120. By Parody on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply

    Lakers and North Stars (Stars) didn’t change much when they packed up. I wouldn’t expect much difference when the VIkings leave, especially if they go to an area like LA. They don’t care who they have. They just want to say that they have a team again. That’s why they made no attempt to change the Lakers’ name to something that made even a little bit of sense…such as the Beach Boys…

  121. By hippster on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply

    I lived in minn in the 60s the vikings played in the snow . why not build a statium thats open for now,with the infrastructure in place for a retractble roof,when the economy recovers you can finnish the job.

  122. By hippster on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply

    heres a great idea ,you democrats will love why don’t you build a green statium?the goverment pays as much as 80,000,000 for every permanent green job. if you qualify ,who knows the first wind and solar powerd statium?

  123. By 61vikings on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply

    If the Vikes leave Minnesota and I hope they don’t, it will be the third team to leave the state, in three different sports!! So, the reality is, the MAJORITY of people in Minnesota could care less if they had any sports teams in there state!! If I owned the Vikings, I would look at what’s happened to the teams that have left Minnesota!! The Los Angeles Lakers have won multiple championships since moving from Minnesota, even though they won 3-4 championships in Minnesota!! Wasn’t good enough to keep them!! The North Stars, to me, was the biggest shock, because when you think of the state of Minnesota, you think hockey!! They left and presided to win a championship in Dallas!! It would not shock me if the Vikings left to LA and win a chapionship in just a few years!! Bottom line, as a owner, it’s a no brainer to move to LA!! Better TV market and better weather by far!!!!!

  124. By Brad on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply

    I can’t stand the thought of the Vikings leaving Minnesota. The Vikings are the one thing my family and I have in common. These political “leaders” need to be grown-ups and find a compromised solution. I support the Vikings because they are my home market team. I will not support the L.A. Vikings.

  125. By GM on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply

  126. By Shawn on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply

    3Don … clearly you havent blogged on here long enough to know i dont have feelings …. and if your comeback to me slapping you in the face with FACTS is “you mispelled a word” you prove the complete incompitance Republican Supporters have

    All you dumb a** repub supporters and not one of you willing to answer the question ..

    Are corporations people? Because you see how stupid your leaders are and how stupid you are for voting for them

    O yea Miche’lle Bachman too dumb to be a Dem so she went to the dumb side …

    Spell check b1tches

  127. By Shawn on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply

    Again I dont believe in absolutes … I dont think Mike B or Titus are incompetant even though they support the republicans.

    Might another one I forgot … maybe

    also Mike B made a very good point about making the “leaders” negotiate and compromise … something I have said b4. When it comes to the stadium its crystal clear one party is pushing the Vikings out

    Plenty of Republican quotes saying let them leave … NO DEM SAID THAT!!!

  128. By ozzinator on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply

    @ Shawn – Wow Shawn, you are one angry and mean spirited SOB. Just shows the hypocricy of you and Rocksalt, coming from the party of tolerance and compassion. BS
    Have faith!

  129. By Shawn on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply

    o look i forgot a word … be. I dont proof read till after i post. o well i guess we all know the typical dumb a** comeback

  130. By Shawn on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply

    Ozz … guess what I have been a dumb a** b4 . Its human and sometimes an a** chewing needs to be done. The differance is I can admit to being a dumb a** and you cant …

    What do you expect everyone to stay quiet and allow repub and tea party lies ??? THATS WHY WE ARE IN THIS MESS !!!!!

  131. By Shawn on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply

    Dayton “surprised” GOP opposes a special session.


  132. By GM on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply

    Show me a young Conservative and I’ll show you someone with no heart. Show me an old Liberal and I’ll show you someone with no brains

  133. By ozzinator on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply

    Hypocrite and dillusional. No surprises here………….

  134. By Carl K on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply

    If a corporation is not people? What is it? Is it a building? Is a product? Is it a business?

    It is all about people.. people serving people.

    It is the people that make “any” organization who they are! It might be a school, church, sports team, business or even a corporation. It is the PEOPLE that make it move and give it life and spirit.

    So to answer your question, yes I think of a corporation as people!

    Please don’t call me names… I have feeling.

  135. By Klint77 on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply

    Sir….I totally aggry!!! I live in Denmark…and if not the only reason…Then 90% the reason I visit Minnesota…are The MINNESOTA Vikings!!! I have been following them since I lived and went to High School for one year back in 95!

  136. By DRS on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply

    Shawn, and the rest of you are blind people full of hate, this stadium issue has been around for ten years or so. Both Republican and Democrats have been in power over them ten years, the true power behind the Vikings not getting their new stadium is the people on Minneapolis and St Paul, They have all the voting power in Minnesota and want the Stadium in their cities, They put the most pressure on the politicians, see how fast they would vote for a new stadium if it was to be built in the Twinkie cities.

  137. By Carl K on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply

    A corporation is a legal authorized creation with rights and liabilities of a person.

    You might need to study US law before you open your mouth. US law is not a republican only deal.

  138. By DRS on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply

    Carl K, Shawn cannot help himself, he’s an American dropping bombs any time he feels bad about himself and what is going on around him.

  139. By DRS on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply

    This system has been broken for a long time now. The D-e-m-o-c-r-a-t-s that want s-o-c-i-a-l-i-s-m at any cost, and the control that the all powerful state brings, Then there is the R-e-p-u-b-l-i-c-a-n-s who give lip service to the Ideal of limited government, with both seeking power for their own personal means to control the people.

    The best ideal for the new stadium would be for the NFL teams to build their own stadiums but that is not how it is done so the states have set the president and the tax payers must pay the bill.

    As a c-o-n-s-e-r-v-a-t-i-v-e I am for limited government that provides services to the truly needy and what is truly needed for the proper constitutional use of the tax payer’s money, what is truly in the domain of the government’s lawful purpose. That being said I think that there is legal president for a tax for a new stadium, and I think there would be a new stadium in Minnesota if it were to be built in the twin cities somewhere, Just like when that dome was built the big wigs would not let it be built anywhere but in the twin cities, so here we are round to and the big wigs are at it once more.

  140. By Shawn on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply


    Corporations are not people but it goes to show you how stupid our country has become …

    It shows you how corrupt America is …. Our highes court in the land was bought by corporate money to say corporations are people

    DRS, Carl K for you the truth hurts

  141. By DRS on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply

    Sorry that should have been two not to.

    God bless you all and have a great day.

  142. By Polly on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply

    CONTACT YOUR STATE LEGISLATORS! You can easily email them – here is a website that gives you everything you need to contact them and TELLL THEM HOW YOU FEEL!!! Do it today – please!

    Keep our Vikings in Minnesota!!!!!

  143. By Shawn on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply

    Carl K … the law says they are people because its corrupt. You if you have any honesty or integrity left inside , you know Corporations are not people.

    You support the Republicans that helped hoodwink society pa-ss such an ignorant “law”

    YOU ARE THE EXAMPLE OF WHY LIBERALS GET ANGRY … Republicans got you hook line and sinker.

    No intelligent person can honestly say corporations are people.

  144. By DRS on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply

    Shawn if you do not like this country, move. I hear china is looking for people like you, and Shawn the only thing that hurts is your hate.

    God bless you anyway and have a great day.

    Peace my man.

  145. By DRS on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply

    Yes Shawn Corporations are not people, but it is made up of people such as yourself, from top to bottom they are people, and by what your are saying they all are corrupt, so that must mean you are corrupt my man. Do you not work for a corporation? Does it not pay your income for the work you do? Or is it the government that pays you?

    Rules are needed to keep the dishonest in our society for harming us but what is in place to keep government from harming us? I know the answer is somewhere in the constitution and we should return to it before it is too late.

  146. By DRS on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply

    From not for, one of them days. Oh well, have a great day one and all.


  147. By DRS on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply

    Go Vikings!!!!!!!!

  148. By Carl K on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply

    Don’t go out of your room. This country is full of bad people and silly laws. Stay under your bed and hide. Don’t trust anyone!

    Shawn, I keep forgetting that you are above the LAWS of this great country.
    My bad, sorry. You are free to live without any “authority” what so ever.
    No rukles no laws.. total freedom… total madness… yea, thats the ticket.

  149. By Jeffbleedspurple on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply

    @Twoodsnvikes: I totally 100% disagree with your comment, why should the Wilf’s pay for the whole stadium, billionaires or not, even if Ziggy did flip the entire bill for the stadium, the state of Minnesota will still tax the h3ll out of you, me and anyone else that would use it, plus anything else that would revolve around a new stadium, so why shouldn’t this cheap azz state pay their fare share that they will just get back anyways.

  150. By Shawn on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply

    DRS and Carl K … I have said in previous blogs not all corporations are bad. I at no time in this post said all corporations are bad.

    Yet again you did the republican thing and twisted reality to fit your dream …

    For you to say a law is good because its a law also shows how robotic and ignorant you are







  151. By Shawn on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply

    Carl K … its not full of bad people. 50% is like me. and a small percentage of people that vote like you are good intelligent people.

    But you represent the majority of the blind robots in America. I have seen blind liberals as well but not to the extent of the red side.

    Also at least a blind liberal has chosen to follow an honest truth speaker NOT A REPUBLICAN DREAM WEAVER

    Rainbows and Unicorns in your world Carl K … Sweet dream and good bye Vikings

    Congratulations Carl K your “leaders” will push the Vikings out of MN hope your happy in you fantasy land

  152. By DRS on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply

    Shawn, once more, I am not Republican, you do not read, you just think you see what you see. Please read what I have said before. A pox on both parties.

    Peace my man.

  153. By Parody on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply

    Shawn – Quit with the labels. From what I’ve seen, politicians who label themselves as democrats lie a weave dreams just as often as those who label themselves as republicans. I don’t understand why you keep on blaming everyone else of blinding themselves to the truth when you, in the same sentence, give a strong indication that you refuse to see the truth as well.

    Forget the labels. Complaining on a blog is not going to do you any good anyways. If you’re so certain about your opinions, then prove it and do something about it. Run for office and make a difference. Promise that you’ll build us a new stadium, and then follow through with it and get it done!

  154. By DRS on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply

    Shawn I never wanted the Vikings to leave MN, I am not in MN, But had lived there, in fact I was born there, I wanted the Vikings in MN, The reps there do not care what I want because I do not live there now. The people in MN should have gotten the word out about the Vikings and changed the states mind. It has been ten years now, why did they, the people, not pressure the state for a new stadium until it was too late. Once more a pox on both parties!!!!

    Peace my man, God bless.

  155. By Shawn on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply

    Parody … Im looking for the article from 4 or 5 blogs ago. It has 2 republican leaders quoted as saying let the Vikings leave. NO DEM IS QUOTED SAYING SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

    BTW … I would pick a new party. But as long as there are 2 choices I will fight for the least corrupt. Because really at this point both parties are. But one side at least acknowledges people as people and not corporations.

  156. By Shawn on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply

    and dont say Tea Party is new … its republican using Palin and Bachman as its spokepeople. LOL

  157. By Carl K on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply

    I did NOT vote your Minnesota leadership in. Nor did I say I was a republican! Last I checked, Minesota was a democratic state. Not sure what your beef is??? You have plenty of democratic leaders to point the finger at.

    I am an Indiana farm boy… proud to be an American. Yes, I will live that dream proudly.

    Shawn, I will be just as crushed and disappointed if the Vikings leave Minnesota as you will be.

  158. By DRS on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply

    Parody 100% with U. Everyone has their hands on this issue, I agree that if you think U can do a better job, then do so. I ran for a city council member in Windom MN a few years ago as and independent, did not win but I tried. So if U want to do something, I feel you should try.

  159. By DRS on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply

    Shawn, it is the name calling by U and other that is getting old. Chill out my man and hopefully there is time for this to work things out. Vikings please get the word out in any way you can, blitz the airwaves and get the people to call their reps to change their minds, please.

    Love and peace to one and all.

  160. By DRS on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply

    Vikings 28, packers 20, Vikings record 10-6, dreaming who knows, go vikings.

  161. By DRS on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply

    Have a great day one and all.

  162. By Ted Brown 23 on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply

    coward is spelled K-U-R-T Z-E-L-L-E-R-S!!!!

  163. By Vike on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply

    If the Vikings go who is MN going to root for? Green Bay will be televised every week because of regional reasons. The Lions and Bears are terrible, and the LA Vikings will be mostly blackout unless they play GB. Delema!

  164. By Jeffbleedspurple on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply

    I am glad I don’t do politics, Republicans, Democrats, it’s all a bunch of nonsense.
    If you didn’t see the Stadium video you should, it’s really good, even choked me up a little. they need to air that on TV.

  165. By 3DONTHERADIO on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply

    @ Shawn – You are the absolute crystal clear subject of an old saying; “It’s better to let someone think you’re stupid – then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.” That’s you in spades my friend!

    And as for your comment about “slapping me in the face with facts,” well, that told me everything I need to know about you. Saying tough things on a blog somehow makes you feel like a real man since it’s obviously hard for you to do in real life. No, I am not a fighting or physical type guy, but if I did run into you somewhere, I would ask you to allow me to pray for and with you – because you so obviously need it. I hope that God richly blesses you fella !

  166. By 3DONTHERADIO on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply

    O.K. that’s it for political stuff and dealing with “Shawn-isms” for me! Going to stick with football now instead. Good article on Adrian on another thread. Like I said over there – he’s worth the price of admission all by himself ! IMO of course! :-}

  167. By Carl K on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply

    Shawn- has an email address listed for Rep House Speaker Kurt Zellers.

    Tell him what you think!

    Also tell your Democratic Govenor to STANDUP and get a deal done.

  168. By Carl K on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply

    Stop blaming ME.

  169. By DRS on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply

    “The Vikings stadium issue has been heavily debated in the public for over 10 years,” the team said. “With less than 90 days left on the team’s lease, the urgency to act is on us.”

  170. By ChrisHarrison on Nov 3, 2011 | Reply

    i lived in mn 10 yrs and have watched Vikes since i was a kid…I leave close to New Orleans now and if you want to kno wat a “new” stadium will do for a city- look at the New Orleans Saints. Their stadium was rebuilt and modernized and the result was far reaching. When football returned, the downtown area thrived and was rebuilt to support operations at the Superdome…Players and coaches wanted to come play in a “new” stadium. The result was in a few short years the Saints beat MN to get to and win a Superbowl….I have been a Vikes fan nearly 40 yrs, i hope they continue to exist!

  171. By Rocksalt on Nov 4, 2011 | Reply

    all the anti gov’t loonies need to go live in a shack in montana……………really? have loving caring corporations protect us from big bad gov’t? REALLY?
    So let corporations make their own laws……….no gov’t regulation……
    Say he llo to increased toxic pollution due to no oversight by anyone other than corporate profiteers….
    Let citizens determine their own speed need for bad govt officials like highway patrol.
    And we can police our own neighborhoods and cities……no need for bad govt police officers.
    And no need for city, state, local agencies to ensure safety standards for housing, infrastructure like streets and sidewalks, oh, and those pesky commie city parks.get rid of them.
    Then off to exploit wilderness areas.let corporate interests determine the fate of our national parks.
    Also, much profit to be made by selling off the great lakes water to thirsty areas like vegas, phoenix, the middle east….imagine the money to be made.
    but, we still must support goverment intervention in women’s rep roductive rights! And we still want our big bad govt’ as a war machine!
    Record profits for all unfettered corporations! We trust they will show everyone benevolence and kindness……Burn commie books like The Grapes of Wrath, for they portray companies as bad for people!
    Greed is Good! Make money at all cost…….sc rew others… make money! YaY!

  172. By Rocksalt on Nov 4, 2011 | Reply

    one good thing about letting the vikes move……the party of no zealots will no longer be on this site…….

  173. By Rocksalt on Nov 4, 2011 | Reply

    WE ould sell our share of Lake Superior for $1.1 billion to Saudi Arabia…….themn we could build our own stadium!

  174. By ozzinator on Nov 4, 2011 | Reply

    A dillusional Rocky as usual……………..

  175. By hippster on Nov 4, 2011 | Reply

    @ shawn whats the deal with you and MS BACHMAN did she turn you down on a date?.if you had a mother half as decent as MS BACHMAN you would;nt be the idiot you are now .you havea knack for letting your angry side out don’t you.they have people you can talk to for that .why don’t all the liberals on this site please take a moment and tell all the fine people on this site all the great things liberals have done for AMERICA please take your time.

  176. By GM on Nov 4, 2011 | Reply

    LOL Rock, I live in Montana. Enough said.

    Don’t give up hope yet fellas. Read this:

  177. By bleeding purple on Nov 4, 2011 | Reply

    We need to get this done and keep our great team, but after the governmental shut down and our state government be so inept and pathetic IDK. All I know is if it doesnt get done i will forever be irrate at this pathetic government and no one in office at this moment will ever get a vote from me.

  178. By Shawn on Nov 4, 2011 | Reply

    hippster and you other dumb a** robots have clearly never listened to your “leaders” open their mouths …. or you choose to accept the lies and either way your a dum a**

    Heres some non biased news showing Bachmann and another republican LIE

  179. By Shawn on Nov 4, 2011 | Reply

    DRS … Carl K … hippster

    Ok so your Rep “leaders” lied about planned parenthood but you still spread the lies despite knowing your a liar

    your party has lied for 20 years about global warming for its own financial gain

    heres an article of a scientist paid for by your own supporters …. confirms global warming

  180. By Shawn on Nov 4, 2011 | Reply

    oops copied the wrong link one sec

  181. By Shawn on Nov 4, 2011 | Reply

    wait heres another bachman LIE

  182. By Shawn on Nov 4, 2011 | Reply

    Anderson Cooper asked a good question … ” Do voters care about the truth?”



  183. By Shawn on Nov 4, 2011 | Reply



  184. By Shawn on Nov 4, 2011 | Reply

    Hippster I can go all day showing you why I bash Bachmann …

    Its to bad you like being lied to … just like 50% of the country


  185. By Shawn on Nov 4, 2011 | Reply

    Herman Cain being a DUMB A**

    Its a woman choice …. no abortion ………. same discussion

  186. By Shawn on Nov 4, 2011 | Reply

    Hippster , Carl K , DRS, 3DON ,







  187. By Shawn on Nov 4, 2011 | Reply

    I can go all day pointing out the lies and hypocricy of the Republican / Tea Party propoganda … there is a never ending supply of it BECAUSE EVERYTIME THEY OPEN THEIR MOUTHS THATS ALL THAT COMES OUT

  188. By Shawn on Nov 4, 2011 | Reply

    But the point here is you republican NO NEW TAXES FOR ANYTHING is making the Vikings leave MN

    and you cant even face FACTS


  189. By Shawn on Nov 4, 2011 | Reply


  190. By DRS on Nov 4, 2011 | Reply

    Rocksalt, shawn, Take your meds please, Once more I am not a republican! So Shut the F-U-C-K UP A-Holes and go play Hitler in your little unions. Man you’re a pain in the ass!!!!!!!! Know something before you speak you sheep dip! You cannot read for you would not be saying what you say if you could. Get on your meds before someone finds you in some dark ally and makes you eat your words!!!! I have been trying to be nice to you A-Holes. If you can do it better, then you run for office, if not shut the F-U-C-K UP, you all are getting to be such a pain in the ass!!! All the people of Minnesota have their hands in this mess call the stadium issue. Really, give it a rest. It has been 10 years in the making, both parties are at fault.

  191. By DRS on Nov 4, 2011 | Reply


  192. By DRS on Nov 4, 2011 | Reply

    Sorry every one, I lost it there for bit. That s-h-i-t, and hate is getting old, Shawn stop saying I am a republican. You know nothing.

  193. By 3DONTHERADIO on Nov 4, 2011 | Reply

    @DRS – Be nice to Shawn sir. He just got home from school and is able to use his Mommy’s computer again – until she gets home and kicks him off it and sends him to his room.

  194. By DRS on Nov 4, 2011 | Reply

    I vote for anyone who is for freedom and liberties!

  195. By DRS on Nov 4, 2011 | Reply

    3DONTHERADIO, I try but sometimes the s-h-i-t on this blog gets a bit high. I will try to be the better man, though it is hard now and then.

    So long for now and may God bless you all, even you Shawn.

  196. By Shawn on Nov 4, 2011 | Reply


    you guys are mad because i bring truth and facts to a debate … and you bring ignorance

  197. By Shawn on Nov 4, 2011 | Reply

    heres another republican lie …. death panels i still hear you clowns spewing this nonsense

  198. By Shawn on Nov 4, 2011 | Reply

    you guys vote for these liars …. thats a fact and when you see the evidence you still deny it

    typical republican / tea bagger … hates the truth and hates facts because it effect rainbows and unicorns

    I BRING TRUTH EVERYTIME …. you bring slogans meaningless slogans

    you and your leaders are like girls who say i love you 800 times a minute … they just become words

    your not for liberties unless its a rich mans liberty … your not for a poor inner city kids liberty

  199. By Shawn on Nov 4, 2011 | Reply

    republican hypocricy

    DONT SPEND …. build a wall

    DONT SPEND … increase defense budget

    DONT SPEND … war on drugs

    LEBERTY … unless your gay

    LIBERTY … unless your poor


  200. By Shawn on Nov 4, 2011 | Reply

    hahaha your words cant phase me …. because they have no meaning.


    Repetition is the simplist for of brain washing … and your “leaders” say nothing but constitution, liberty, freedom, god

    OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER till they suck simpletons into the INSANITY

    they need someone to support the greed

  201. By Shawn on Nov 4, 2011 | Reply


  202. By vikingblood on Nov 4, 2011 | Reply

    Penny wise and dollar foolish thats your mantra up in the great state of minnesota.I wish someone could post bottom line numbers of just how much revenue the vikings bring in,a spread sheet that could be explained and understood by even the good folks that run your state. a breakdown of where the money flows what% of it goes to all the service industry,then maybe someone could explain how much in taxes the vikings contribute to the state.Then maybe someone could post prejections on how the loss of your team will effect these numbers, how the state will make up the loss of such a huge tax base, what will happen in terms of jobs ect, ect.The clock is ticking its time for the people to make a stand and be heard, dont let them do this to you. when the vikings leave you will never get another shot at a team, the NFL will not trust or have faith in anything your state leaders tell them about building a stadium for a new team down the road.Here is something else you might not know, mr wilf owns the right to the teams name colors and logo, he takes them wiith him when they leave,just think about that for a moment, its like a bad dream, your beloved team playing in a different city wearing the same colors.ive got an idea for GOP, when the dome is empty and of no use maybe they can hold a rally or convention there, just hope the roof doesnt come down on them, im sorry bud grant is still around to see this happen.

  203. By Shawn on Nov 4, 2011 | Reply

    @vikingblood … it will do no good facts and truths are not important to a republican / tea bagger. The only thing they vote for is the candidate that says Liberty, Freedom, God, and Contitution the most.

    Their candidates would be better off just saying ” Liberty, Freedom, and Constitution. God Bless America” then walking off stage because that candidate would win their vote.

    Rep Joe says ” duh I like that guy. he said god bless. he good “

  204. By Rocksalt on Nov 4, 2011 | Reply

    DRS- go tell your anti union viewsw to the NFL PLAYERS UNION! I am sure they will be sympathetic to your BS before they cruush you like a
    c o.ckaroach.Tony Montana reference in case you need help……

  205. By Rocksalt on Nov 4, 2011 | Reply

    right on Shawn and vikingsblood……keep up the GOOD fight……not like those a44holes who would sell their mother out if it were profitable………
    BTW Repugnants…….never heard a response to the points I listed…why not sell Lake Superior??? Greedy profiteers!

  206. By Rocksalt on Nov 4, 2011 | Reply

    ANTI GOV’T lets take away all the services and protections I listed……..respond idiot repugnants…..

  207. By Rocksalt on Nov 4, 2011 | Reply

    frikkin loonies……

  208. By Rocksalt on Nov 4, 2011 | Reply

    To all the anti gov’t loonies need to go live in a shack in montana……………really? have loving caring corporations protect us from big bad gov’t? REALLY?
    So let corporations make their own laws……….no gov’t regulation……
    Say he llo to increased toxic pollution due to no oversight by anyone other than corporate profiteers….
    Let citizens determine their own speed need for bad govt officials like highway patrol.
    And we can police our own neighborhoods and cities……no need for bad govt police officers.
    And no need for city, state, local agencies to ensure safety standards for housing, infrastructure like streets and sidewalks, oh, and those pesky commie city parks.get rid of them.
    Then off to exploit wilderness areas.let corporate interests determine the fate of our national parks.
    Also, much profit to be made by selling off the great lakes water to thirsty areas like vegas, phoenix, the middle east….imagine the money to be made.
    but, we still must support goverment intervention in women’s rep roductive rights! And we still want our big bad govt’ as a war machine!
    Record profits for all unfettered corporations! We trust they will show everyone benevolence and kindness……Burn commie books like The Grapes of Wrath, for they portray companies as bad for people!
    Greed is Good! Make money at all cost…….sc rew others… make money! YaY!

  209. By Rocksalt on Nov 4, 2011 | Reply


  210. By Rocksalt on Nov 4, 2011 | Reply

    Mich elle Bachmann for vice president!

  211. By vikingblood on Nov 4, 2011 | Reply

    You know that saying “You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink” Dear Minnesotans …Ziggy is leading you to water (ie: the stadium) for the love of god, please take a sip!!!

  212. By 3DONTHERADIO on Nov 4, 2011 | Reply

    @Rocksalt – except for this one time, you’re not worth responding to. Make sure to stay well-stocked on whatever drugs you’re taking. Are you Shawn’s dealer?

  213. By CanadianVF on Nov 4, 2011 | Reply

    I am sorry for my ignorance, I really haven’t been folowing all the details of the stadium issue because I live in the great white north. I guess I have not given it much attention because I do not understand why they would move the team to L A. They have not had a team there for a long time and when they did like the Rams or the Raiders they did not stay. Can they not extend or add some more years to the lease agreement for the Metrodome if they cannot reach an agreement on building a new stadium? Once the lease runs out that is it? What will the facility be used for then?

  214. By DRS on Nov 4, 2011 | Reply

    Rocksalt Blow it out your a-s-s my friend! I do not hate unions, just fools like you who are in it for the power, not for the people, unions along with the state of Washington k-i-l-l-e-d my unborn child in the 1980’s and for what a C-h-i-s-t-m-a-s bonus? That is the official stance of the union, a c-h-r-i-s-t-m-a-s bonus over medical benefits! I hate all that are in power for powers sake, grow up my friend. Unions do well, but when fools like you do not look out for their people that is when people die!

    Once more I am on the side of freedom and liberties, whatever side provides this I am for. Once more God bless you all, even Rocksalt and Shawn.

  215. By DRS on Nov 4, 2011 | Reply

    Now Shawn & Rocksalt lets all go out and sing koom-by-yaw in the great socialistic state of Minnesota, By the way do you know the history of Minnesota, I think you will find out that the Democratic Party was in control for most of the ten years the Vikings have been asking for a new stadium. Look it up.

  216. By DRS on Nov 4, 2011 | Reply

    Sorry everyone, I have a hate of any bigwig who drives around lying to the people,( in any place), then not looking out for the people. I try not to let it out but now and then I cannot take the b-u-l-l.

    God bless U-All.

  217. By DRS on Nov 4, 2011 | Reply

    Sorry I should have said a union not a blanket statement like Unions.

    Have a great life one and all.

  218. By DRS on Nov 4, 2011 | Reply


  219. By Shawn on Nov 4, 2011 | Reply

    DRS … I commend you for 2 things in this blog.

    1- you sound as if you have either acknowledged you unintentially blanketed unions in a statement OR you have put some thought into it and changed your view despite a strong personal negative experiance

    2- you acknowledged corporations are not people despite the supreme court ruling they are.

    I would like to say I to am guilty of making blanket statements but I have 1 personal thing ( cant think of the word ) I dont believe in absolutes except if your born you will die. So I dont think all corps are bad and I dont think all repubs are bad and i dont think ALL OF ANYTHING IS GOOD OR BAD.

    That being said I will always stand and fight for the lesser of 2 evils … since really there are only 2 choices

    Mitt Romney seems smart but doesnt stand up to his constituents for his good ideas

    Ron Paul seems honest and stands firm in his words … which is respectable

    The rest of the panel all same the same things they have been paid to say

  220. By Shawn on Nov 5, 2011 | Reply

    I really hope you mean and believe what youve said. Too many people say things to make peace but dont really mean it. It would be nice to have more honest people on the other side.

  221. By DRS on Nov 5, 2011 | Reply

    Shawn, I thank you for that, I two do not think there is absolutes, but for a thing or two. I have not made up my mind on any one person running for office at this time. I do not see any one standing up for freedom and liberties, I keep looking for someone to return us to the principles of the constitution. Sometimes I feel we would be better off without Washington DC. Start over and avoid full time politicians. I would love to see the day when people are free to live the life of free people with the proper restraints of the society.

    I agree with you that the Republicans in MN are wrong with their views on the Stadium issue, though I understand their fears, when the MN people are not for any new tax. My point all along has been that when politicians hear from their people in their area they tend to say what they hear. So I feel that it is up to the Vikings to get the people on their side and soon.

    Have a great night my friend.

  222. By DRS on Nov 5, 2011 | Reply

    Shawn, yes I do believe what I say. I respect what you think as well, I just do not like the name calling. The assuming people do on this site gets’ to me as well.

    Peace and May God bless U as well.

  223. By Tim on Nov 5, 2011 | Reply

    If the Vikings are forced to leave Minnesota i will never be a fan of Minnesota pro sports teams again i will be ashamed to even be a Minnesotan as a matter of fact i will pack my SH*T up and get the He!l out of this cursed land forever.

  224. By Pharewynd on Nov 5, 2011 | Reply

    Published phone #’s to call; MN SENATE–(651)-296-2146 or 1-800-657-3550. MN HOUSE–(651-296-0504 or 1-888-234-1112. I personally wrote an E-Mail to Gov. Mark Dayton. I would encourage all fans to either call your representative,legislator in your area and demand action. IF this bill is not voted on in a timely manner; let your voice be heard and tell each and everyone of them that they are human like the Vikings Fans and can lose their jobs just like any other human can. SKOL VIKINGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  225. By Rocksalt on Nov 5, 2011 | Reply

    DRS- God is mad at you.

  226. By 3DONTHERADIO on Nov 5, 2011 | Reply

    Rocksalt – No, God is love and God is merciful, so He’s not mad at DRS – He loves him! Now you on the other hand……

  227. By Pete on Nov 5, 2011 | Reply

    My family and I live in Colorado. We have never lived in Minnesota. We are Vikings fans and travel to Minnesota to watch games now and then. Last year, we spent around 5,000 dollars in Minnesota so we could attend a game and visit the sites.

    If it were not for the Vikings, we would never go to Minnesota. I am not the only one who goes to Minnesota to see the Vikings. We talked to many people at the Gopher stadium, (yes it was the Vikings game where Farve threw the final TD of his career), and they travel to see the Vikings too. And even if you do not count non MN residents, many travel to the city and spend money in the city to see the Vikings. If you are worried about money now, wait until you lose the Vikings to LA. I suggest you vote in a new stadium and create the jobs. It is simple, you guys better vote the stadium in or you will be paying more in the long run.

  228. By 3DONTHERADIO on Nov 5, 2011 | Reply

    Pete – good comment ! Hopefully they get this right in St.Paul !

  229. By DRS on Nov 5, 2011 | Reply

    Rocksalt, take your meds.

    Rocksalt, God loves you.

    Peace to you all.

  230. By ozzinator on Nov 5, 2011 | Reply

    And peace to you DRS, you are one of the elite few on this site. Thanks for your insiteful wisdom. I agree with you 100%, I only wish I could put my thoughts into words as you can. Always been my downfall.

  231. By GM on Nov 5, 2011 | Reply

    LMAO! Anderson Cooper unbiased?? LOL!!

    That’s like saying Rush Limbaugh is unbiased. There is NO SUCH THING in politics.

    Beware the government/media complex.

  232. By Baba on Nov 5, 2011 | Reply

    I am rather proud of our State, finally taking a stand against the NFL tactic of extortion and threats. I couldn’t care less whether the Vikings stay or leave, but the building of pro sport stadiums falls on their shoulders, not the taxpayers of Minnesota. Like the economists say, “If you want to revitalize an area, you’re better off throwing money from a helicopter than spending it on a stadium.

  233. By Tim on Nov 5, 2011 | Reply

    I don’t live in Minnesota and Never have. But, I have Been a Minnesota Vikings FAN since I was 5 years old. I am now 46. I PROMISE that if the Vikings leave Minnesota I will no longer be VIKINGS FAN. There is only 1 Minnesota Vikings team. I will not be a Los Angeles Vikings Fan. I won’t be a Oregon Vikings Fan. It won’t be like the Oakland Raiders/LA Raiders. When Baltimore got there team they renamed them the Ravens. The NFL may not care about losing Minnesota Fans. Maybe they should. There are many people living in Minnesota, Idaho, North and South Dakota that are Fans. But I guess the NFL figures they can get just as many fans back in LA or wherever the team may go. I hope the Minnesota pulls there head out of there collective butts and gets a new stadium built. Every other team and there state have built stadiums and done what is necessary for their teams to play at home. CAN Minnesota in time? I hate to say it. It doesn’t look like it.

    Bleeding Purple

  234. By vikingblood on Nov 6, 2011 | Reply

    seanate wont raise your taxes, but they will take your kids collage money thru racinos and run the indians out,think you folks should run them out of minnesota.

  235. By vikingblood on Nov 6, 2011 | Reply

    Ask yourself this question, better yet ask your senate leaders this question: If the vikings leave town and with them goes the millions and millions of revenue and millions of tax dollars they contribute to the state, how are they gonna re-coup these losses.Well think about it,Id start with increasing your toll booth fees and raising all your sin tax. So your gonna pay one way or the other id rather pay a .05% sales tax hike now and keep the vikings where they belong. How about indoor ice fishing in the dome next yr.I hear this is big in sweden or how about the GOP holding steel cage matches pitting the tea party vs the left wing.Ah minnesota the land of 1000 lakes and no commen sense

  236. By hippster on Nov 6, 2011 | Reply

    Its funny when you ask a liberal to tell you the great things about liberalism and what its done for the country. all you get is a bunch of BS .were still waiting for something other than that .give us some facts ,show us one thing good you all have done for america that didnt need to ride on the backs of the american taxpayer?

  237. By hippster on Nov 6, 2011 | Reply

    @ shawn your party is the party of slaves .nobody has lied to america than the current party in power B.H.O. still like little sheep you follow your sheppard into the valley of darkness baaa baaa you say there’s no jobs ,no food ,no energy eveything costs more why why why or in your case baaa baaa baaa what does the sheppard do when he can’t feed his flock ? he sends them to slaughter baaaa

  238. By chris on Nov 6, 2011 | Reply

    anderson cooper worked previously for the cia plus these idiots who dont back the state tax are idiots. vikings are the heart of minnesota f the haters move the fdugepackers to los angelas. vikings 4 life

  239. By vikingblood on Nov 6, 2011 | Reply

    This will be my final post. I have never seen such a city or state screaming for mediocrity. You people insist on cutting off your noses to spite yourselves. You don’t deserve a new stadium. When the Vikings leave, your hope for economic growth or recovery leaves with them. Sometimes you have to dig into your pocket a little bit for the greater good of your fellow citizens. I leave you with these fitting words by the greatest liberal of all time “SPOCK” “The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few” or something like that.

    ps-Hippster – It may have been at taxpayer expense, but Osama Bin Laden rests in a watery grave thanks to our strategic mission by the Navy Seals at the behest of our Liberal President. Much better use of funds than occupying Iraq.

  240. By hippster on Nov 6, 2011 | Reply

    but it was waterboarding that got BHO the info to do the deed,thank you G W BUSH

  241. By Shawn on Nov 6, 2011 | Reply

    hippster your own words prove your a LIAR just like your leaders ….


    By hippster on Nov 6, 2011 | Reply

    @ shawn your party is the party of slaves .nobody has lied to america than the current party in power B.H.O. still like little sheep you follow your sheppard into the valley of darkness baaa baaa you say there’s no jobs ,no food ,no energy eveything costs more why why why or in your case baaa baaa baaa what does the sheppard do when he can’t feed his flock ? he sends them to slaughter baaaa


    I didnt say that or anything resembling that ever on paper of with my mouth … But in true republican form you just make sh1t up from your fantasy world.

    You want something a Liberal has done that no republican has done in most likely ever … A LIBERAL BALANCED THE BUDGET YOU DUMB REPUBLICAN LIAR

    I put video evidence of your lies right in front of you and you still deny …

    LOL … you are the reason America is failing your stupid and you spread ignorance and lies just like all repubs and T baggrs

  242. By Shawn on Nov 6, 2011 | Reply

    and by the way …

    there are no jobs .. its a fact, unemployment is out of control but your republican legislature does nothing just like you republican MN legislature letting the vikings leave

    There is a world wide food shortage … but thanks to republicans policy the rich are still getting richer while everyone else get poorer

    there is deadly energy everywhere because you republicans and t baggers have lied about global warming for the last 20 years so they can fill their pockets ….

    I talk facts … I show video evidence that im speaking truth.

    You come here and say” well i knew a guy that saw a guy that said some guy heard ….”

    Hey but the repubs reaffirmed a law that was reaffirmed in 2002 that was pa-ssed in 1956 this week …

    Republicans fail society every second of every day …. Facts are Facts are TRUTHs

  243. By Shawn on Nov 6, 2011 | Reply

    Heres another fact … Healthcare is a good thing. Every human being knows that every human being deserves to be healthy. Inside you know it …. But the question is are you honest enough to say it ?

    People know right from wrong its in their DNA , yes its a real thing . I know republicans hate science because it proves them to be LIARS.

    Why do republicans put a price on everything ? Why is being healthy only for the rich man? You know its wrong …. but you to this point have not been honest enough to say it.


  244. By hippster on Nov 6, 2011 | Reply

    you want to be healthy eat right and exercise when healthcare is free you better be ready to stand in line . but your probable used to that by now eh little sheep baaaaa baaaaa oh poor little shawn your words make you a vile person indeed wanting me to die .wasnt it? your party has broke AMERICA fiscaly and morally your time is over we the people are sick of it .go clean up your trash from all your occupy what ever it is their doing and contribute to america instead of sucking off it dig

  245. By Shawn on Nov 6, 2011 | Reply

    lol hippster … i never said that. But again you do the republican thing and LIE

    I havent been to a hospital in I cant remeber how long. My Union provides me with good health insurance though … so again youve proven you ignorance

    keep talking though its funny to watch you stupidity

  246. By Shawn on Nov 6, 2011 | Reply

    Wait to be honest , Im not sure you consider a dentist a doctor but I have been to the dentist …. which my union pays for

    A dentist is like a tooth doctor … you may need to see one. Might be a long drive to civilization for you though

  247. By Shawn on Nov 6, 2011 | Reply

    hmm but lots of scary liberals in civilization …. you should be fine we like humans

  248. By Shawn on Nov 6, 2011 | Reply

    In fact I think Ive only had the brown bag flu a few times in the last 5 years.

    but hippster some people are not as lucky as me and cant afford going to the gym. fruit can get expensive for some. BUT FUHK THEM …. right hippster? Who cares about a poor family … I got mine. Isnt that the republican way ?

    You have proven to be a dou’che bag …

  249. By Shawn on Nov 6, 2011 | Reply

    hippster i cant believe we have so many Americans that hate so many people … i have no clue how republicans get votes … I understand the top 1% voting for them but republicans hate everyone else INCLUDING YOU

  250. By Dave on Nov 7, 2011 | Reply

    Based on the comments i have read it sounds like the vikings are already leaving MN. Is this even guaranteed yet? I wouldnt give up if it hasnt happened yet!!! Comon guys, i know its aggravating but until the day they move, Let’s stay positive!!!!! SKOL!!!

  251. By hippster on Nov 7, 2011 | Reply

    @ shawn how do you lay your head on a pillow at night?with all that love for humanity.I’ll bet you have’nt had a good nights sleep in a long you need a fried to talk to ? i’ll be your buddy ok.let me tell you just one little tid -bit about myself i don’t hate anyone unless they give me a reason how long have you worked for your union, i say that because they don’t work for you .if your unions cared about their workers they would spend all those millons of dollars on your pentions and healtcare instead they spend your money trying to elect people that can help bail them out from what i see union workers are soft and lazy people who think just because they belong to a union they don’t have to work that hard ,smoke a little pot at break mabe have a beer for lunch then go work on that car that someones family will be driving soon.i’ll bet you take lots of breaks

  252. By hippster on Nov 7, 2011 | Reply

    @ shawn I belive you your exact words were DIE YOU STUPID CLASSLESS FUHCK SO WHO’S THE LIER seams to me your classless

  253. By Shawn on Nov 7, 2011 | Reply

    Hippster … you dont even speak facts. you only repeat what youve been programmed to say. I just told you I have healthcare. paid for by my union.

    But you might be right about me telling a stupid classless fuhk to die. It sounds familiar. I just want a country with intelligent people and there are too many like you who investigate nothing and question nothing. you just accept everything your told as fact then you run and spread the lies to everyone you know. I on the other hand hear some extremist sh1t and go research. Generally any extreme opinion is BS. The diferance is I acknowledge it and your side doesnt.

    See how I a liberal can accept when Im wrong. Ive never met a conservative yet accept any fault or failure. Conservatives just lie. I put video evidence on here and you still deny it.

  254. By Pappy on Nov 7, 2011 | Reply

    I grew up bleeding purple and living or dying each week of the season based on the fortunes of the Minnesota Vikings. When the payers strike took place (30+ years ago?). I realized that NFL football was just one form of entertainment. It was fun, but I could live without it. I learned that there were many options for the use of my time that were much more beneficial my building strong healthy relationships with my two sons. I understand the strong emotions on both sides of the Vikings stadium debate.
    The Vikings say that the team “belongs to Minnesota” This is not true. With the exception of the Green Bay Packers, the NFL prohibits community ownership of teams. Why is this the case? It is clear from the facts that the league is structured to enrich the private owners of the teams. There is nothing wrong with this as long as the private owners who profit from the teams operation are on the hook for the capitol investment for their operation. The State of Minnesota has indicated it’s willingness to commit a significant sum of money for the construction of a new facility. This commitment is appropriate in that the facility will be used for other events that are currently held in the Metrodome, as long as this investment is limited to the value to the community of these other events. Objective economic studies have consistently shown that the economic benefits of NFL stadiums are vastly over stated.
    The stadium debate would be best articulated on objective economic criteria and public investment should be considered in relationship to other possible uses of public investment. The emotional appeals only cloud clear analysis.

  255. By DRS on Nov 8, 2011 | Reply

    Shawn I would like to point out to you a fact, the Republicans only control 1/2 of the U.S. congress. The Democrats have the Presidential office and 1/2 the congress. That makes it 3/4 Democrats to 1/4 Republicans, and before the election, when Obama became president it was 100% Democrats in control of the federal government. I ask you how come you do not go off on them for not getting your agenda done during that time. The republicans could not block anything, the Democrats had a super majority, just pointing out a true fact that you cannot deny.

  256. By Shawn on Nov 8, 2011 | Reply

    DRS … that is a fact, good job. My answer is liberals have not been happy with everything Obama has done. We feel he caves way too much to the conservatives. In fact Boehner publicly stated after one negotiation Reps got 90% of what they wanted. That is some BS. That is not a negotiation.

    Also Ive said before it used to be just the red side bought by corporations and now both sides have been bought. Obama has been more republican than some republicans.

    That being said I would still vote Obama because Republicans have nothing to offer. 3 dummy’s , 1 crazy guy, and 1 guy that might have been a good candidate if he stood up for his ideas. But Mitt who did good things in Mass. has been programmed to speak the same nothingness as every other republican except Ron Paul who is the most honest but hes a libertarian.

  257. By Shawn on Nov 8, 2011 | Reply

    DRS … I dont know if you watched a debate yet but When it gets down to 1. Watch Obama intellectually destroy the republican candidate. The sweet sound of intelligence.

    I will say if Mitt had a backbone and stood for what he believed in he would be a good challenger. But Obama will own the rest of them.

  258. By Shawn on Nov 8, 2011 | Reply

    Ron Paul would be tough for Obama to handle as well … Ron Paul has some big NUTZ

  259. By Shawn on Nov 8, 2011 | Reply

    DRS … Ive always said bring me facts and we can talk but bring me INSANITY and I’ll get INSANE , maybe I havent always said that in fact I think I just made it up :)

  260. By DRS on Nov 8, 2011 | Reply

    Shawn good to have a good debate without name calling, and not blindly following the party line, I have become an independent because both sides stink. I look for the best man/woman; I have not found one yet. If you like how things are now, go with Obama, if you think he will overcome his shortcomings, feel free and I encourage you to vote for him. I on the other hand think he is too much of an idea log to change and do what is good for this country, too much of an big government guy for me. I will keep looking for someone who will bring us back to the U.S. constitution; I hope that the Republicans will find someone who will do that, though they do not have a track record on achieving this. Both parties’ always go with the money peoples choices. I would like to see a common man get in as president but we both know that will not happen. You know the Golden rule, them who have the gold makes the rules. Democrats, Republicans, what is the difference, they both are for Big Government, just arguing on what why to use the government to control us the people. Everyone saying a third party will not work so I figure we will have to work from inside the parties to take back what is ours to begin with. Fighting them with the money is hard, they have a voice wile Joe blow like us do what we can to be heard. Have a great day my man. 2012 will be interesting year, party on my man, and peace to one and all.

  261. By DRS on Nov 8, 2011 | Reply

    Myself I am considering going to the moutons and living free of both of the parties, I enjoy New Mexico wild country and old west ways, though there is way too much governmentally owned land out here. It use to be that one came out here to be free from the insanity of society but now that is getting harder and harder. Whatever happened to freedom and self reliance? Big Business and Big Government I say a pox on both of your houses.

  262. By DRS on Nov 8, 2011 | Reply

    Let’s get a new law that says no one can be in office if they make more than $100,000 dollars a year. LOL, like that will happen.


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