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Ponder Shows Poise, Promise

Posted by Mike Wobschall on October 24, 2011 – 7:10 am

This week’s Monday morning aftermath doesn’t contain discussion about a Vikings victory. But it does contain the next best thing – discussion that the Vikings may have found a QB of the future.

Vikings Head Coach Leslie Frazier and defensive end Jared Allen refused to describe Sunday’s 6-point loss to the defending Super Bowl champion Green Bay Packers as a “moral victory,” but there’s no question the overall morale of the fan base is much higher now than it has been in nearly 20 months. And it’s all because of how rookie QB Christian Ponder performed in his first career NFL start on Sunday.

Ponder’s stat line will not wow you – he was 13 of 32 for 219 yards with 2 TDs and 2 INTs – but anyone who watched the Vikings performance also watched a young QB who seems to have a bright future. Ponder did many of the hard things the QB position at the NFL level requires one to do, such as stand in the pocket and deliver a throw knowing you’re going to be hit hard, tuck the ball and scramble ahead when the plays breaks down, and convert key 3rd-down throws late in the game. And he did those things in his first career start.

Ponder got the party going early, hitting WR Michael Jenkins on the game’s very first play for a 73-yard TD that was eventually overturned to a 72-yard gain. Two plays later, Ponder found TE Visanthe Shiancoe for the TD. Ponder led another TD drive in the 2nd quarter, and at halftime he had the Vikings staked to a 7-point lead.

A rough 3rd quarter that included 2 INTs and 20 unanswered points by the Packers didn’t discourage the rookie. Ponder bounced back in the 4th quarter to lead a TD drive that put the Vikings in position to mount a comeback. After the Vikings defense held on the Packers ensuing drive, Ponder looked poised to lead a game-winning drive.

The game-winning drive wasn’t in the cards for this week. But at least now it looks like the Vikings have a franchise QB in their deck.


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193 Responses to “Ponder Shows Poise, Promise”

  1. By DRS on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Yes and Ponder should have been the #1 QB leading this team from the beginning, our team would have been @ 5-3, not 1-6. Maybe it is time to rethink the leadership of this team.

  2. By Mike Wobschall on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    We don’t know that. There’s no way to know for certain how the team would’ve performed with Ponder at the helm from the start. You can argue that Ponder was able to perform so well yesterday because he sat and watched for 6 weeks before playing. You can’t go back and re-write history just because it’s convenient for your argument.

  3. By DRS on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    #1 need @ this time is a first class D-secondary, #2 need D-Linemen, #3 need is receivers that can hold on to the ball!.

  4. By DRS on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Mike Wobschall , I am not trying to re-write history. I am convinced that Mc Nabb should have retired while he was at the top of his game. There is evidence with the last team that this was the case. Mc Nabb may be a great person but does not mean he is the great player he was.

  5. By Joner on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    DRS – we need an O-Line more than D-line. The D-line will be fine if they can go after the QB knowing the secondary won’t get burned every long throw. Kalil will do at LT and a WR/CB in the 2nd round please!

  6. By DRS on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Ponder is great young player and would have learned soon what he needed to learn, that is why I put down we would have lost somewhere around 3 games.

  7. By Jeffbleedspurple on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    One word of advice for Ponder, yes! you threw a INT, but uumm!! you’re not a tackle so stop making tackles, let the big guys do that, I can understand you wanting to do right by the mistake you made, but we don’t need you getting hurti by making tackles. Good job anyways!

  8. By DRS on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Joner, you may be correct, though I think we Need D more than O-line, they did a fare job last night, there was no D in Minnesota Vikings. 20 points in the 3rd quarter? Come on coach what is up with that? Coach get some better Defensive plays that can stop the other team, we are giving up to many point per game! I do not think Joe Montana could win with this team.

  9. By DRS on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    have to go, have a great day.

  10. By sandiamond on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Not having Percy in the 2nd half was a huge loss. GB now has Cobb and multiple receiver targets. Some of our receivers are part-time(injury or not) Mike W, so what can we do in the short term to help this desiring need?

  11. By Twoodsnvikes on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    No more Berrian

  12. By Jake on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    another “incident” with butterfingers..? He better be gone along with cook and abdullah! abdullah plays off 10 yards then comes up and cant make a tackle. time to perform or hit the road. now is time to clean out the closet. anything that cant be used should be gone to make room for a new wardrobe!!!! great job Ponder. once again the fans are right. who has been screaming and begging for ponder from monday after the first loss!!!!!!!

  13. By Twoodsnvikes on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Where are ya on that one huh Mike??? Looks like his “break out season” is going to be an early departure

  14. By Mike Wobschall on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Yes, I was wrong on Berrian, clearly. But I like to see the potential and positives in people, and I saw how effective Bernard was in 2008 and thought he could re-capture that this year. But I was wrong. I don’t get them all right, I’ve never claimed to do so.

  15. By Jake on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    I think our Defense is priority 1. I would like to see a headhunter safety who can make a reciever pay for a catch and can back up our corners. Zone defense doesnt work for us with our personnel. does pug itch not see this? How many corner blitzes were there yesterday? they may as well blitz… they cant cover or tackle!!!! first three picks better be d-backs!

  16. By sandiamond on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    The secondary game plan was excellent by frazier and pagac considering what we had to work with. On bomb td is better than several

  17. By Mike B on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    @DRS it is what it is or don’t cry over spilled milk. That was a personel decision and was not an unpopular one by many outside the Vikings orginization either. I had heard many commentaries say that McNabb was a good pick up for the Vikings. The cost was low a 6th round pick and 5M. Who was to know if he would or wouldn’t have a break out year. The teams entire play can’t be put on McNabb’s shoulders. I disagree with Mike W.’s mailbag comments about the coaching. There is a reason why we are 1-6 and that includes the players and the coaching. I specifically look at the OL and the 3 tight end sets with Single WR. You are telling the defense you are going to run. Frazier’s own comments about this team starts and ends with Adrian is a tell for other teams to stop the run. We have Ponder in now and we need to open up the West Coast Offense and use it like it was in the old 49er days Lots of passing with a strong running game.

  18. By ponderpurple on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    28 years a fan and I have never felt such tears of joy during a footall game, the spinal chill that only Brett Favre has been able to bring to the fans is here to stay.

  19. By Shawn on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    DRS likes to rewrite history … remember he thinks Unions are the most evil force in america and all criminals are union

    The DRS history book is a serious fantasy world ….

  20. By Jake on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    mike do you think with Jared Allen drawing a lot of attention, we should be hearing more of williams # called. He seems flat to me from last year.

  21. By Shawn on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    @Mike Wobs … we are all worng sometimes, I was wrong about McNabb, Preseason I took his statisticall resume and thought he was a good QB

    I guess sometimes stats do lie ….

  22. By Shawn on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    *wrong

  23. By Twoodsnvikes on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    I don’t agree with Wobz MMMB about Raymond and Burton being given enough plays during the game. I think I saw Burton on a special teams play, but not on defense nor Raymond. I saw Sherels in the nickel and didn’t see him get burned at all. I saw Griffin, A. allen, and Abdullah get embarrassed multiple times.

  24. By Shawn on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    @Mike B … Well said and look we agree again :)

  25. By Troutdaddy on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Yeah, sounds like what the fans have been screaming for are finally taking shape. Ponder is in. Berrian is going the way of the dinosaurs (As it should be) and now we can focus on the the next stages. So, Mike, I am curious to know how you feel about us not going for it on 4th down near the end of the game? What was there to lose here? Why would Frazier chicken out on that? This tentative play let the air out of the sails. When you are 1 and 5 and have a chance to beat an undefeated team, why would you punt the ball and give it to Rogers who was having an amazing game? Seems like the coaches need to man up a bit and at least give the team a shot to pull it off or die trying. Show some guts. That was such a let down. You will probably say it was the “Smart decision” but C’mon, it was a VERY lame call!

  26. By ponderpurple on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Let go of the Mcnabb thing, it is history and #7 is the now and the future.

  27. By Jake on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    one of my pet peeves is watching a defender playing behind a reciever in the endzone. It does no good to let them make the catch and tackle there. play no more than 2 yards deep in the endzone and make the qb throw it over the top! stay in front of the reciever. How many times have you seen Allen and Abdullah play 10 yards off and miss the tackle anyway! 30 40 50 yards after the catch!!!! rediculous! should be on the practice squad.

  28. By Jake on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    @troutdaddy- good point. the sad part was they rammed it down our throat running right up the gut! We sure could have used a harvin reverse about then! We had nothing to lose and everything to gain. can you imagine the moral boost we could have gotten with a win?

  29. By ponderpurple on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    @Troutdaddy… To go for it on 4th down – Our chances were much better that we may get the ball back or a turnover to take a few shots downfield then it would be to go for it on 4th and long in our end of thje field. GB would have definetely scored 3 or more, so our best chance to win was to punt and keep them from scoring. I think the coaches just put themselves in the best situation to win the game. We all love to see a conversion on 4th down but realistically the chance was slim and GB had a for sure 3, so this was an intelligent decision not a gut decision.
    I also believe that we will see great progress over the next couple of years with this organization and coaching staff, Frazier is a first class individual and in time he will have a team of players of the same. The Lombardi Trophy IS coming to Minnesota!

  30. By Shawn on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    @Troutdaddy … Frazier punting in the 4th quarter with 2 and 1/2 minutes left was the right call. 4th and 10 ? If we dont complete the pa-ss game over. But if our defense does its job we get another chance. The problem is our defensive “strength” failed and allowed the Pack to run at will…

    Frazier seems to be figuring this coaching thing out IMO

  31. By Twoodsnvikes on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    I agree it’s probably the call he HAD to make… but man is that disappointing to watch when we held them to basically 0 rush yards, even though they barely even tried to run since they knew how weak our secondary is, but when we needed it most, and we KNEW they were going to run, we gave up like 50 yards??? Embarrassing

  32. By James on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    we are not going to win games with asher allen or cedric or winfeild or cook they are always geting burnt

  33. By 61vikings on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Monday morning cuts: Chris Cook- this guy is a thug!! It’s about time that the NFL sets it’s standards a little higher!!
    B.Berrian- this guy has been a no-show all year long!!
    The entire secondary- all cut except A. Winfield!!

  34. By Bigfan1 on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Ponder is it, now we can forget about a qb and go after the rest of the pieces, first round cornerbacks, preferably the one from LSU who is in the Heisman rankings.

  35. By Twoodsnvikes on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Don’t write off Cook just cuz he tried to strangle a b*tch, look at Vick and Plaxico their still around making plays. Cook is a good corner and if we can draft a shut down corner and a good SS next year we are going to have a great team

  36. By Twoodsnvikes on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    they’re*

  37. By Frederick Jones on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    OFFENSIVE LINE AND DEFENSIVE BACKS.

  38. By 61vikings on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Great job Ponder!! We are 1-6, but you give us a reason to watch the rest of the year!! If we can clean up the OL play, which they did play better yesterday and clean up our secondary, which would take a miracle, we might just win a few games!!

  39. By LILAKTHEMENACE on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    next year we are gunna be a lil better.. just put some faith in the vikings

  40. By Frederick Jones on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    @MIKE WOBSCHALL,

    THE PROBLEM WITH THE VIKINGS IS PICKING PLAYERS AT THE WRONG POSITIONS OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS.

    We’ve selected TWO offensive linemen in the draft in the last F I V E years.

    Correct me if I am wrong, but don’t they play five men on the offensive line?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????//

  41. By Mike Wobschall on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Punting on 4th and 10 was the right decision, really the only decision. There’s no way you go for it there. You have to extend the game if you can. Going for it there and not making it means the game is over. By punting, the game remained alive for the next 2+ minutes. There’s no question or debate about that. You punt there 10 times out of 10.

  42. By Frederick Jones on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    LOOK TO GETTING NEW SCOUTS, VPs, and etc.

  43. By jusmoi on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Yes it is true that the vikings may have one of the most passionate fan bases but most of these comments I am reading are biased and ridiculous. Everytime something goes wrong you guys are calling for the coaches head. At this rate we will never find stability in ANYTHING if everyone is so quick to TERMINATE when things go wrong. Leslie is a GREAT coach and his players respect him. He doesn’t know what he is doing and is too soft yet that’s why he’s the head coach and you are NOT!

  44. By Frederick Jones on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    You don’t get to be 6-10, 1-6, without there being some upper management problems.

    Wobschall has to be nice about it. They are his employers.

  45. By Twoodsnvikes on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Pretty sure we converted on more 3rd downs this game then we did the whole year… or pretty close to it, good job Ponder

  46. By 61vikings on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    @ Twoodsnvikes
    Strangle a woman!! Classy!! Somebody needs to strangle him, besides he’s not that good!! We need lots of help at the secondary position!! The only guy worth keeping is A. Winfield and he is at the end of his career!!

  47. By Digger on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    @ James, did you really include windfield in that list? He has been hurt and out, and is probably one of the best db’s the Vik’s have ever had and is still one of the best in the NFL!

  48. By Purple05 on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Ponder has plenty of potential, I’ll say that much. It was great though to see McNabb talking in his ear after his second interception. Say what you want but McNabb CAN read a defense. His accuracy just always isn’t the best but he does find the open receiver. He can continue to help Ponder a lot

    The score could have easily been 50-something though. It felt like a blowout though it really wasn’t

  49. By Twoodsnvikes on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    @61vikings: You haven’t been paying attention then you must not watch the Vikings much, Cook has made a lot of good plays, he has great size and will be a good corner. The rest of our secondary is terrible. Winfield is on the wrong side of 30 and all of the other players are plain bad, need to start the young guys this year to see what they have and then draft a CB and SS in the first 2 rounds

  50. By Frederick Jones on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    @Jusmoi,

    Bud Grant was 3-8-3 his first year with the Vikings, and Bill Walsh was
    3-13 his first year with the 49ers.

    The problem was not Childress the last time, it is not Frazier this time.

    We have to look at all the Vice Presidents, Owners, and the structure of our management. ( and SCOUTS)

    There is something wrong there, and has been for several years. That’s how the LIONS got into trouble for so many years.

    Perhaps we are moving to LA, but consider the COST of getting another team to come to Minnesota. It will be a lot more than the 1.1 billion to build the new stadium.

    WAKE UP VIKING FANS…UNITE AGAINST THE FAT CATS IN CHARGE OF THE VIKINGS.

  51. By DAveJr on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Our young db’s have a great chance of seeing more playing time in the following weeks. I have been hoping for Mcnabb to be benched and Berrian to get off the field. Both wishes came true. But now I have one last wish. BENCH CEDRIC GRIFFIN.!!! I actually witnessed him turn and run from the reciever that just caught a short pass rather then coming up and making a tackle. He is our weakest link in my opinion. He gets burnt more then more then my food does..AND i am a horrid cook.

  52. By Frederick Jones on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Ponder looked great against the Packers. Do not forget he was 12 of 32.

    WE need an offensive line that is not so OFFENSIVE SMELLING !

  53. By jusmoi on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Also @ Twoodsnvikes I agree about the chris cook thing. Its like a now he’s a THUG and should be cut. You guys do not know what goes on in peoples lives behind closed doors and NEITHER of you know the REAL facts so know before you speak. The police ESPECIALLY in this “nice” state are gonna believe the woman first over a man that they despise because he makes more in one game than they do in a month. You never know the woman could have been crazy and wigged out because he was cheating or something YOU NEVER KNOW!

  54. By Meekay on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    @ Fred Agree – lotta poeple keep saying WR, but that should be a late pick if at all. Jenkins, Camerillo, Shank, Rudolph and Harvin give us a good recieving core. Add Peterson and we have a great offense minus the o-line. Our DBs are our weak link and I think a corner should be our #1 priority. Hopefully Cook can get it together this year.

  55. By sandiamond on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    @Fred, without a potential explosion of picks from the Luck rights we will have to wait until later rounds for OL
    Don’t worry the prospect class is stacked to China!

  56. By jusmoi on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    And WHOEVER said that Percy needs to be traded because he can’t stay on the field needs to step away from the meth. PercY is one of the two best players on this team (A.D) being the 2nd. Percy ALWAYS delivers on the field. And if I recall correctly he has not missed one game this season. Especially not because of migrains. He was physically hurt yesterday which SURPRISE that’s something that happens when you play a physical contact sport DUH!

  57. By Meekay on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    @mike w sorry, but when you are punting to Rodgers and all he has to do is get a couple first downs, there is definitely a question. Maybe the right call against a weaker offense, but there was no way Rodgers was going to give us the ball back. We went from a slim chance to practically no chance. How many Ints did we have yesterday?

  58. By Frederick Jones on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Digger,

    What you said about Winfield is true.

    However the Vikings must obtain some other players who
    can cover my 2 year old niece.

  59. By jusmoi on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    If Half of you that rant and rave on this blog got the chance to run the team we will forever be at the bottom of the division!

  60. By Frederick Jones on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    @Meekay,

    Sandiamond should read your last post.

    Thank you!!!

  61. By Twoodsnvikes on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    @Davejr: I agree about Griffin. You need guys on defense that LOVE contact. Someone else brought up Mathieu who is a potential heisman candidate this year, I don’t know if he is coming out for the draft or not, but we need someone like him, he LOVES contact and isn’t afraid of anyone, tons of confidence in himself. That’s the type of player you need in the secondary.

  62. By deer tracks on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    No you don’t punt 10 out of 10 times. that is one of the reasons the Vikings are 1-6..No guts to take a chance!

    Where were all those secret wildcat plays dreamed up for Joe Webb? This could have been another exciting play to add to the other moments that Ponder and J. Allen had given us…Frazier had been ballyhooting all year about how he was going to use Webb in all kinds of sneaky plays…

    Whats that you say? Frazier didn’t want to give any thing away, but wants to save those secret weapon plays to use when needed? Horse feathers!! This was the time and place to use it!

  63. By deer tracks on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    That was for you, Mike W..

  64. By Mike B on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    The point Mike W. is making is valid. Where we were on the field with 4th and long was the wrong place to go for it. If we don’t make it all the Pack had to do was make a few yards and were in their kickers field goal range. You should not go for it on 4th and long if you are on the wrong side of the 50 yard line. We had plenty of time to get a TD by punting them back and stopping them in 3 downs. That didn’t happen, so we didn’t get a chance to come back. It’s not about guts it’s about smart football.

  65. By san jo vike on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    dude was hanging a gb blanket on window in portland oregon cheeseheadsuck! vike land baby!!!!

  66. By Frederick Jones on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    @Sandiamond,

    The thinking you exhibited in your last post, is exactly how last year’s Vikings DraftERS thought.

    That is why we are 1-6.

  67. By Twoodsnvikes on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Fred, we are 1-6 because our secondary can’t stop a pop warner team, yes our Oline isn’t good, but it’s becoming blatantly obvious our secondary is the worst part of this team.

  68. By Frederick Jones on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Try not to forget, Ponder was 12 for 32. He looked great, but he was
    running for his life.

    I feel the defensive halfbacks and offensive line are equally bad.

    We must use draft picks of these positions in our top three picks. AND probably all 7 picks should be either for the DBs or OLs, UNLESS a quality WR is available.

  69. By Frederick Jones on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    “QUARTERBACK? QUARTERBACK?? I JUST HOPE WE CAN WIN A GAME, ANOTHER GAME.”
    paraphrasing Jim Mora talking about the 2012 draft by the MN Vikings.

    We must not pick a quarterback. Ponder and Webb will both be great given time and an offensive line.

  70. By Frederick Jones on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    The current Vikings DRAFT TEAM will pick a QB, a RB, and a DE in that order in the draft. Unless there is a change.

    Basically that is what the have done since 2002.

  71. By 61vikings on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    @ Mike Wobshall
    Being that the team is 1-5 and your rookie QB is 5 for 6 on 3rd down conversions in the fourth quarter, I say go for it!! Our defense hasn’t come up with a big play in the 4th quarter all year!!

  72. By Twoodsnvikes on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    I will agree with that Fred

  73. By Frederick Jones on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    “QUARTERBACK? QUARTERBACK?? I JUST HOPE WE CAN WIN A GAME, ANOTHER GAME.”
    paraphrasing Jim Mora talking about the 2012 draft by the MN Vikings.

    We must not pick a quarterback. Ponder and Webb will both be great given time and an offensive line.

  74. By NovaScotiaVike on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Time for a break from this.team, I’m off to Bermuda, there’s a Yellowfin tuna down there with my name on it, Take care, folks.

  75. By packers rule on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    vikings suck!!!! feel bad for ya !!! NOT

  76. By TonyO on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    McNabb played to “not lose” rather than to win. I was shocked at how much he struggled, especially in the dome. Ponder’s mobility and youth completely changes this offense. He kept several drives alive by avoiding pressure (my guess is that may have been the highest percentage of third down conversions all year for the Vikes). Green Bay may be weak on defense, but it showed that a threat at QB can open up the running game (AP’s biggest game this year I beleive). This team is far from great, but for the first time in many years, there is a QB that has more years ahead of him than behind him in Minnesota.

  77. By Rocksalt on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    we are 1-6

  78. By Rocksalt on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    not sure Gerhardt is what we need. also, where’s Kyle Rudolph?

  79. By Troutdaddy on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Ok, here is where we agree to disagree. Again- the Vikes should have gone for it on 4th and 10. Rather than “Hoping” we would get the ball back with less than 2 minutes to go is letting the opponent control their destiny. We want to control our destiny and that doesn’t cut it- especially against Green Bay. The drive they had just put together had the fans on their feet, the team pumped and that momentum was then wiped out. Sounds like it is more than Frazier that needs some guts here… Because of that we didn’t even get the chance to get the ball back. I think that is the point, right? The decision was made, we didn’t get the ball back, game over…. We would have had the same chance if we turned the ball over on Downs for our defense to make a play…

  80. By DRS on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Shawn, FOAD.

  81. By DRS on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Shawn ever hear of Haffa?

  82. By Twoodsnvikes on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Yup troutdaddy you are correct, try to WIN the game, instead of trying to not lose with our defense, if we went for it and didn’t make it, i would have said that was still the right call

  83. By sandiamond on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Fred the shift has moved to CB and S in round one and two for obvious reasons a blind squirrel could see. I got no problem with OL 3-5 rounds

  84. By DRS on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Shawn, spread the word, comrade.

  85. By TMFJONES on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    I dont recall a time ive ever been happier to lose a game. Watching Ponder convert several 3rd downs was , I cant even find the words to say. Ponder has Doug Flutie MAGIC But much taller ! Im the happiest fan in Viking history.Thank you for giving the fans what they wanted to see, A BRIGHT FUTURE !!

  86. By B-Pro on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    I watched the game last night and I seen a few good things, but this team is really bad all over. We have no one to stretch field. Yes Jenkins had a long pass which was longest of season, but that doesn’t say much. Harvin is still hurt which effects our offense and what they do. Our defense has been bad all year for the most part and once again we couldn’t make a stop late in the game when we needed one. The last couple of years we’ve struggled against the run and did yesterday when Greenbay ran the ball. We may have the worst secondary in the league. WHY DO WE CONTINUE TO PLAY THAT SOFT ZONE EVERY GAME!!!!!!! Rodgers had all day to throw ball and 10/20yd routes were open all day due to that prevent defense our secondary plays. GET UP ON THE LINE AND PLAY MAN TO MAN. IF YOU GET BEAT SO BE IT. IF YOU CAN’T PLAY MAN TO MAN THEN YOU DON’T NEED TO BE IN THIS LEAGUE!!!! There is a time for playing a soft zone defense but not the entire game like we do. I see the same kind of game this weekend against Carolina. We will not stop them from running the ball whether it’s the backs or Cam. Cam will have a huge day throwing the ball to Smith and the TE’s. And our offense will make Carolina’s defense look like their the best thing since sliced bread when their defense is probably worst then ours. It doesn’t matter who our QB is, we have to many holes on both sides of the ball. 4-12 record at best.

  87. By DRS on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Titus what will be next weeks score?

  88. By DRS on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Shawn blogged” The DRS history book is a serious fantasy world ….”

    DRS blogs Shawn is a great Union leader, so that must be fantasy as well. DRS Blogs that Shawn knows football that must be fantasy as well.

    Shawn move to Russia and live your dream my man. Get on your meds my man and stop hating anything that differs then you.

  89. By B-Pro on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    DRS, I’ll give you a final score. Carolina 34 Viks 17

  90. By DRS on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Shawn have you ever heard of Capone? Shawn so the Mob has never had anything to do with the Unions? Now who is in a fantasy world now?

  91. By Troutdaddy on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    One last thought @Shawn- You said Punting on 4th and 10 was the right call- it was the “Safe” call and it resulted in a loss. Big difference in how you leave a legacy, by playing it safe or rolling up your sleeves and going for it. I for one would rather have a “Tin Cup” approach rather than be a “Shooter McGavin” AND, fans are going to fuel that decision with enthusiasm rather than say yipee, we are such a safe team….

  92. By DRS on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    B-Pro, I might agree with you. If we do not do something about the D.

  93. By Mike B on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    @Fred When you are drafting at the picks we will be up for if things stand status quo. You need to take the best availible player or outstanding play reguardless of position need. I agree you don’t need a QB, but if he that good you may pick him and then see what you get for trade on one of your other QBs. There would have to be tremendous upside like with TE this year. You have to not only look at team needs you have to look at what the player’s talent level is.

  94. By DRS on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    The best teams have great D’s; you must stop the other team from scoring if you want to win. We cannot win with this D.

  95. By Viking Joe on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Now that we don’t have to ponder about the QB SITUATION, IT’S TIME TO GET A MUCH BETTER SECONDARY IN PLACE.

  96. By Mike B on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Let me try this again. @Fred When you are drafting at the picks in the top ten as we seem to be headed. You need to take the best availible player or outstanding player reguardless of position need. I agree you don’t need a QB, but if he is that good you may pick him and then see what you get for trade on one of your other QBs. There would have to be tremendous upside like with Rudolph this year. You have to not only look at team needs you have to look at what the player’s talent level is. I think we may not be as high as #! this year though we are continuing to improve, so Luck would be out of reach more than likely.

  97. By xvike on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Frazier made the right call by not going for it on 4th and 10. Remember last game against the bears when they didn’t convert on 4th down and 10. If it had been 4th and 5 im sure he would’ve said to go for it but that wasn’t the case. It was 4th and 10. Had we failed which i’m sure we would’ve, GB would’ve run down the clock and kicked a FG and it would’ve been a 2 possession game. We would have maybe a minute to work with, with no timeouts. We would’ve lost for sure at that point even if we scored a td. And besides, the defense had did a good job stopping the run and pass the few previous drives. If anyone wants to point fingers at anyone, it should be at the defense. Defense failed all game long. Aaron rodgers is good, but our defense made him look like a god. He did whatever he wanted the whole game. Our secondary couldn’t do anything to stop him. He had a near perfect rating. And then our supposedly good run defense, couldn’t stop james starks the last few plays…… Wow… They knew the packers were going to run but starks was able to pull off a few 10+ yd runs to keep the drive going. Frazier made the right decision. He had more faith in his defense to stop the packers running game than in ponder to convert on 4th and 10. Defense failed once again like they have all year long. I bet that had frazier said to go for it and we didn’t convert, people would have the exact opposite reaction saying that Frazier made a bad call. With over just 2 minutes left to play, he should’ve punted the ball…..

  98. By Shawn on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    DRS .. again youve proven your ignorance, you forget the mafia corrupted many things. NOT JUST UNIONS !!!

    The mafia corrupted cops, judges, politicians … I dont hear you blaming those organizations.

    So why is that, you STUPID ROBOT? I know Rush didnt tell you to hate cops and judges. Just Unions.

    By the way who is paying the judges in todays society? Not the Unions you dope … not the Mafia doofus … its your beloved corporations, you know the holy rich man Rush defends.

    DRS you are so easy … Mr Roboto

  99. By Shawn on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    DRS … see how I can support the truth? Yes 30-50 years ago the Mafia corrupted some Unions. See that is a fact but of course you ignore the rest of the facts because the rest of the facts hurt your beloved dream world.

    But the real truth is it was the money that corrupted … not the people. WHO HAS THE MONEY IN THIS DAY AND AGE??????????

    FACE THE FACTS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There is corruption far worse happening right under your nose and you are a robotic supporter …

    Your an Ignoramous , let go of the past and focus on today. Maybe your “leaders” or programmers were good when Lincoln was president but get over it. I think it was you that had to all the way to Lincoln to find a humane policy.

  100. By Kaleb M. on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Here’s the way I look at the 4th down call at the end of the game. Were 1-5, at this point we will not catch up to our division rivals so playoffs are out of the picture. We have a rookie QB in his first start and we need to see what he can do. What do we have to lose? Go for it on 4th down. The worst thing that happens is we don’t get it and Packers get the ball and potentially score or run the clock down. A win would be nice but at this point wins don’t get us much further than we already are. I woulda said let’s see what the kid can do with the pressure, because he’s already handled himself relatively well against “the best team in football today”. And what happens if he does complete it? A strong momentum shift and potential TD drive to end the game with only seconds on the clock, and the Vikes pull off one of the biggest upsets in recent memory. (possibly)

  101. By Shawn on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    O remember the good thing we did in the 1800′s? you mean when America burned witches? o forgot about that history … doofus

  102. By Troutdaddy on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    @Xvike- again, I disagree. We still had our time-outs so the fact is that if we would have gone for it, we would have possibly made it. AND if we gave it up on downs, we would have had the same opportunity to hold them for 4 plays just like we did when we punted it. Regardless, we will never know now anyways. Just saying that woulda been nice to see a gutsy call like this. We are tired of seeing us play it safe….

  103. By Shawn on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Wait a minute DRS you think the mafia started the unions dont you? hahahah You didnt know Unions were around long before the Mafia was buying Judges did you? hahahahah

    Your so easy

  104. By Andrew Holmes on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    I have never been more excited about the Vikings, even sitting at 1-6. I have said it since draft day that Ponder is our QB of the future. And here he is proving all the doubters wrong. CP#7 Skol Vikings! http://www.facebook.com/tastyvittles

  105. By Frederick Jones on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    We’ve had a tendency to draft picks where we are already STRONG.

    Tight End, Running Back, Defensive Line, and Quarterback.

    We need to FIX our three weak areas;;;; OFFENSIVE LINE,
    DEFENSIVE BACKS, AND WIDE RECEIVER.

    boring, tiring, monotonous,

    TOO BAD. DRINK MILK…. AND CHOOSE OL, DB, AND WR….

  106. By DRS on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    shawn because I was not talking about them at the time, yes the entire system is corrupt, if you would have gotten beyond your hate and read my blog in full you would have seen I had applied that big companies are not my favorites either. I know what I was told when I was working for Boeing, you were not there in the 1980’s so do not think U know it all. I think this entire country has gone to the dogs, giving up our freedoms and liberties; there may have been a need for Unions in the early days, but now all I see Unions being is another control arm of the man. No different from the Government, and big business. It is all about control and you are part of that system my friend.

    God bless you any way my man and may you see the truth some day. Peace and love to everyone.

  107. By Frederick Jones on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    @Mike B,

    I agree with you that teams should take THE BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE OR THE BEST ATHLETE AVAILABLE.

    However, they should probably only do that for one or two picks, and usually a lower round guy.

    The Vikings should draft for needs this year because we have MANY holes.

    We should NOT take the best player available, we are 6-10 and 1-6. The VIKINGS cannot afford to take the BEST athlete this year.

    We are in dire straits.

  108. By Frederick Jones on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    We have to make up for all the years we did not select offensive linemen, and obviously very, very, very poor DBs.

    TWO (YES 2) O Linemen selected in the last FIVE years !! ! ! ! ! ! ! !!

  109. By Frederick Jones on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Yes Fred I know…you are right.

  110. By DRS on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Shawn,I do not listen to Rush. I just know your type is driving this country in to the dirt. You would make a great Borg drone for the collective. What the Union say, you do and say. No free will, what a dream. Go my comrade and spread the word.

  111. By Frederick Jones on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    WORST FRONT OFFICE IN NFL HISTORY…

    HOW ELSE DO YOU EXPLAIN 1-6, AND SO MANY 2ND HALF COLAPSES.

    (DID WE SET AN NFL RECORD YET FOR 2ND HALF LOSSES????)

  112. By DRS on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Shawn, you show your IQ with this entire name calling thing. Keep going and all will see you as you are my friend.

  113. By Frederick Jones on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    DRS,

    One of the front office people is doing a HITLER immitation.

    He can do what he wants.

    (Wow look at that catch, Wow look at that run, Draft him or you’ll be fired)

  114. By Shawn on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Bah DRS … I was about to say , you had a reasonable post then you made the next one and went right back to NONSENSE

    I just want to point out why I started in on you ..

    By DRS on Oct 22, 2011 | Reply

    MJH that is unions for you, the main problem in this country, jobs given to people who do not earn their jobs and are not fired when they will not or cannot do the job.

    Your words … then 2 posts ago you sounded reasonable and I was about to rest … but now your back to the crazyness so on with the war

    you dope … the thing driving this country into the dirt is robot followers on both sides speaking half truths like you did and do … than using those 1/2 truths to pit 1/2 the people vs the other 1/2 the people

  115. By Titus on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Mike W–

    Punting on 4th and 10 was the right decision, really the only decision. There’s no way you go for it there. You have to extend the game if you can. Going for it there and not making it means the game is over. By punting, the game remained alive for the next 2+ minutes. There’s no question or debate about that. You punt there 10 times out of 10.

    REALLY??? 10 times out of 10? An absolute? Nope, totally disagree. Wasn’t it just last week McNabb completed to Berrian on a 4th and very long– I don’t recall but it was in the 10 plus yard range. There goes your argument.

  116. By Titus on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    How many time outs did we have? How well was our defense stopping Rodgers? How great was Ponder on crucial downs? I think we should have gone for it.

  117. By DRS on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Frederick Jones, 100% with you my man, was there from the start with some exceptions. Never like the Ideal of Mc Nabb, thought Hesselbeck,(sorry for any bad spellings), would be a better QB choice, now seeing Ponder I think Ponder should have started from game #1, we would be something like 4-3 at this time.

  118. By Titus on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Then again, hindsight creates more geniuses than genetics.

  119. By Shawn on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    DRS … I could respond to you reasonable post fast enough. Then within minutes you went right back on the crazy train. I can be reasonable when people at least bring facts to the table.

    You said Unions are the main problem in this country …. Thats BS and you deserve to have words properly describe the actions you used. Ignorance is a word and you were, then for a moment you showed reason and BAM right back to your true self … Ignoramous

  120. By Shawn on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    err i couldnt

  121. By DRS on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Shawn, it is true that Unions keep people working just because they have the time on the job. You cannot deny that. Face it, there was a time when unions were needed, but now I see no need of them. All is corrupted, do not be part of the problem, and do not be the one who tries to control others, be the one that can return the Union back to what it was, a thing that helped people not the heavy hand of the man!

    Love and peace to you.

  122. By Frederick Jones on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    @Titus,

    I wonder what the results would have been if they had taken polls on that 4th and 10 BEFORE and AFTER the decision was made.

    I have a feeling it would be about 50-50, or close before they made the decision and about 10-90 afterwards!

    What I did not like was the way we used the timeouts. WHY WHY WHY use your last timeout 5 seconds before the 2 minute warning ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
    —I mean it did not matter in that game, but the philosophy is wrong and could cost us in the future. Call Frazier and advise him.

    I hated all the other 4th and whatevers we have had in previous games. In fact I am surprised you didn’t hear me YELL. lols

  123. By Dan on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    if crosby hadnt made that 58 yarder we prolly woulda went on 4th and 10 but no. Punting was the right decision.. and that 4th that mcnabb threw to berrian, that wasnt in our half of the field so obv. we go for it.

  124. By Crunch on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    I think Ponder did great for his first 4quarters. I think the Vikings should think about moss coming back, I think they really didnt give him the chance last year with ponder in I think Moss and him , with AP, Harvin. We could have a chance to win and win big.

  125. By Shawn on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    DRS … there may be some Unions that do that. I didnt run things that way. In Vegas or maybe its just Union construction. But in Vegas the Union I was a part of was a what have you done for me lately union. That might have to do with it being construction vs other types of unions.

    I dont know everything. But I do know that Unions are not” the main” or even top 100 problems in this country. In fact some Unions are good and the idea and purpose of the union is good.

    Some unions may be run poorly … humans are not perfect so Im sure some unions are not perfect.

  126. By xvike on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    @Troutdaddy what you don’t seem to understand is that yes had we turned it over we would’ve had a chance to try to get the ball back. But GB would’ve ran the ball 3 times and each of those times, we would’ve had to to use a timeout to stop the clock. Otherwise, they would’ve just let the clock continue to run down. Then after the three runs, all GB had to do was kick a fg. It would’ve been maybe a 46 yd FG attempt. At that point, we would have no timeouts left and maybe a little over a minute to play. Even if we scored a td on the next drive, it wouldn’t matter because it would b a two possession game after the FG. The FG pretty much seals the deal.

    @Kaleb M. How is it over for the vikings at this point? Anything is possible and its never over until its over. Sure the chances are very slim to none for them to make the playoffs but i as a fan want to see them win and they as players want a win. The coaches are trying to get the win and i assure you they always will try to no matter what the teams record is. I don’t care about gutsy calls and Frazier being a gutsy coach. I care about the team winning and Frazier made the right call so that his team would have a better chance of winning the game. Like i said, the defense is who people should be disappointed with, not Frazier’s decision.

  127. By Dan on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Moss!! FTW!

  128. By DRS on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Ignoramus, which is you my man, Shawn keep showing your IQ. Get over your hate and some day you might like you self. My point of view is the entire system is the problem and the Unions are a big part of the system. Either you are on the side of freedom or liberties or you are on the side of tyranny. Do you support a right to work state? Your answer will show you if you are for freedom or not.

  129. By Shawn on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Now as a Union member the Unions have always been good to me. Better than the corporate world. Some people dont want all the money. Some of us just want to be paid fairly for the time we are at work. I dont want to be called in on the weekend for nothing more than a pat on the back.

    So I support Unions 100% even though some may have problems … Unions are down to less than 20% of the work force because corporations have so much money they spend Billions on Union busting programs.

    Instead of giving employees healthcare and retirement they spend billions attacking an organization that cares about its employees. I am afraid when Unions disapear Corporate America will become china and 12 year olds will be paid 30 cents an hour for labor.

    Balance is key in all aspects of life and 20% is not balance …

  130. By Frederick Jones on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    @Dan,

    I didn’t realize the Bing Crosby played in the NFL !

    I wonder how many bloggers know what you are talking about.

    Bing Crosby is Dead.

  131. By Crunch on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    I also think we need to change things up more in the second half. We see it time and time again winning at the half and them it goes in the toilet fast. I want expecting them to win sunday, but I wad hoping wr would be the ones to upset the packets record. My main reason for watching was Ponder I liked what im seeing. I think given some time the boy will develope some mad skills. But lets look at this last game we did better than anyone so far points wise against the packers. I think that says alot for our vikings. Way to go guys!:-)

  132. By xvike on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    @titus, the vikings were on the opposing team’s side of the field when mcnabb completed that 4th and long play to berrian. This is a completely different situation. They were on their own 36. That is definitely FG position for Crosby. Don’t forget that he nailed a 58 yarder earlier in the game. Mike W. is right. You punt 10/10 times there with over 2 minutes left to play and all 3 timeouts left unless you are playing madden, then by all means go for it. If the situation had been a little more manageable like a 4th and 5 instead, yeah i would’ve said to go for it but 4th and 10 is a long shot.

  133. By Shawn on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    bah DRS .. Im trying to match the reason with you but I type to slow, and you keep going back to your Ignorance before I can respond

    I guess the hope for you is gone … Your more machine now … programmed

  134. By jp on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    i’m not worried about those 2 interceptions Ponder gave up. Woodson just welcomed him into the NFL…if im not mistaken, we picked off Cam Newton twice as well. overall, as i said from the beginning, Ponder has elite potential. i look forward to shutting Cam down next week and for PONDER TO LIGHT IT UP!

  135. By jp on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    *he [Woodson] picked off Cam twice. typo

  136. By Shawn on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    DRS … I am a Union member from a right to work state and you hate illegals. Unions dont hire illegals.

    Your gone too dumb to debate with because you want a fence to keep illegals out and your beloved corporations give them jobs. If they couldnt get work they wouldnt come here …. its basic hypocricy

    Your leaders are saying one thing and doing another … and you watch them. Im done with you. You dont have any original thoughts. Go ask Rush what to think.

  137. By Kaleb M. on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    @xvike, I understand there is still a slim chance and I am a huge fan also and would love to see the vikes win, but I also would have liked to see Ponder’s response to pressure that even elite quartebacks struggle with at times. Also I never said I wanted to see a gutsy call.

  138. By DRS on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Shawn, I posted before I saw your last post. Thank you for not calling me names. Yes some unions do good, Maybe you did good. My experiences taught me otherwise. In fact I lost my first born because of that strike while I was in that union. Had no medical coverage because of the strike and could not get state help because of the strike. I am trying to give my hate up, but do not tell me how great unions are when the worker gets $100 dollars a week while its leader get full pay, and medical pay. Ok the Unions are not the main problem with the country but it is not the best answer either.

  139. By Frederick Jones on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    DRS…Shawn you ignorant *&^@

    Shawn…DRS you are lower than horse&^*@#

    DRS…Shawn you are ignorant.

    Shawn….DRS is stupid

    DRS….Shawn you swine

    Shawn….Your sister eats eggs

    DRS…Shawn your IQ is less than my shoe size.

    Shawn….You*#!* eat*&%$@*

  140. By DRS on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Frederick Jones, LOL x 100, Agree with you my man, two boys in the sand box saying my father is better then yours, got you my man.

  141. By DRS on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Shawn, I told you I do not listen to Rush, who do you listen to?

  142. By Frederick Jones on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    @DRS and Shawn,

    I think I have had arguments with both of you.

    I’m definitely not fit to judge, but it was too funny to pass up !!!
    :) :)

  143. By DRS on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Love and peace to one and all.

  144. By Shawn on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    DRS … I am sorry for you loss. A bit of Irony here, I lost my first son as well. He was just 28 days old. Again I am sorry for your loss and I understand more than you know. We all have hang ups.

    I will admit I have been programmed as we all have. I have found some programs and unprogrammed myself as I age. Im sure there are programs I havent found yet.

    Your reaction to your situation is understandable. We are all guilty to an extent of the rhetoric. I usually lay low untill someone attacks my way of life. Than I get all American and drop bombs

    But Unions are not the problem with America … maybe your Union was bad.

  145. By Shawn on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    LOL Fred your funny :)

  146. By Shawn on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    my g’od Im having more problems spelling today than usual …

  147. By DRS on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Frederick Jones, I have always like having a good argument with you as well.

    peace my man.

  148. By DRS on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Shawn, it happens.

    Peace to you as well.

  149. By Frederick Jones on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    It is nice that some people like the DRS and Shawn stay with their blogger names. You get to know their personalities a little bit.

    It’s to easy to jump on these new bloggers, because they appear to not understand football very well.

    Often I find out that they do understand the game. But changing the blog name makes them harder to follow.

    I’ve been tempted to change, and may have to at some point. I’m pretty stubborn sometimes even when I’m wrong.

  150. By DRS on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Shawn, I will agree with you that not all unions are bad. There are some needs they meet. I am for freedom and liberty and perhaps I see bad in anything that I see as the heavy hand of the man.

  151. By Twoodsnvikes on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    First Round: Dre Kirkpatrick (CB)
    Second Round: Nate Potter (OT)
    3rd Round: Markelle Martin (S)
    4th round: Best avail OG
    5th round: Best avail DB
    6th Round: best avail DB
    7th round: best avail DB

  152. By Shawn on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    DRS … my media sources are, Bill Maher the exact opposite of Rush. I would also like to make the point I have heard Bill Maher be shady. I dont accept everything What I like about him is he has debates on his program. He brings in Conservatives and Liberals and Reps and Dems and all sorts of people and they all debate each other. Sometimes it get heated and Generally Bill makes them look silly. Again I have seen Bill be shady … the differance is I acknowledge it, I have never heard a Conservative admit it of their own.

    I dont pay much attention to mainstream media because its sponsored by corporations. AOL. com is where I get most of my news and Im not partisaned. I listen to the republican debates …

    And I have heard Liberals that are too crazy for me … like Ed Koch ( i think thats his name ) I watched him one time and thought he was insane

  153. By Jeffbleedspurple on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    I have to say I agree on a point that the very second we punted the ball and it got in Rodgers hands, the Pack knew and Rodgers knew it was all over for us, we would not be getting the ball back, even I knew that! there was nothing to lose except the game by going for it on that 4th down and losing the game woudn’t have hurt any playoff hunt or anything else for that matter, the game was already a lost cause as will any other game we play for the rest of the season, we should had went for it.

  154. By DRS on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    youmust admit this is the longest blog I have ever done. I do not spell that well, but I do try, They called it mirrored vision, Have done well despite that, was an U-H1 Utility repair man, Final assembly inspector on the B2 Bomber, just to name a few.

    Ok on to the Vikings, why did not the team listen to the fans? We do know something about foot ball. Some of us have been around longer than them on/in the team now. Don’t you think we know something by now?

  155. By Shawn on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Yea Im not one to critique spelling … Its easy to make a mistake 2 finger typing and trying to keep up with the conversation :)

  156. By Shawn on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Im voting for Fred Jones … for the funniest post of the day. :)

  157. By DRS on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Shawn, I listen to fox and like you get my feathers ruffled when they put on the extreme from both sides. Yes I am a conservative but not one of them who is for the corrupt companies, as I am not for big government, I hate anything that takes away my or anyone’s freedom and liberties.

  158. By DRS on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Fred Jones got mine as well for the funniest post of the day.

  159. By DRS on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Titus what is your prediction for the season now? By how much will the Vikings win next week? Will our D have a break out and do their job. I need to hear some good news about the Vikings about now. It is looking so bleak.

  160. By jp on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    “I think he’s got a bright future,” Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers said. “I like the way he plays. He moves around really well.”

    while i dislike the Pack, we all must agree that A-Rod is an amazing QB and a compliment like that is pretty significant. Ponder looked at times like Rodgers. especially on the play action passing game. im really excited about Ponder. i was from day one.

    any thoughts about the Carolina/Cam game?

  161. By Shawn on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Alright DRS … I never had hate for you personally. I just get bothered by certain rhetoric and when you threw all unions under the bus I had to speak up. I have had heated debates with everyone except Nova on here I think :) I dont think people are bad but I dont think our “leaders” are telling truths. Money power and Women corrupt. Find the money and power and see the corruption.

  162. By DRS on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Shawn, I have to admit that I am 100% with you when it comes down to corruption at any place and any level.

    Peace to everyone. God bless U all.

  163. By DRS on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Shawn, I think we are good my man and I think we are of the same coin but of the differnt side, so have a great day, what do you think the Vikings need to win? I think we need a D.

  164. By DRS on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Without a new D, this team is not going anywhere this year. To win you need to stop the other team, nothing ells matters. Get a new D now.

  165. By DRS on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    9 games then what? Where will the Vikings be? Who knows?

  166. By DRS on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Hope falls once more in Minnesota, with a new D, maybe we will get at least one more win. Comon coach do the right thing and triad the dead weight on this team.

    Later one and all.

  167. By Stoney on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    @ SHAWN; Bill Maher??? Really??? That”s where you get your info. No wonder you sound insane. Don”t break the Prozac in half dude. You gotta calm down and relax! If I can think of anything that will help you to mellow out I”ll let you know.

  168. By GM on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Vote for Ponder for play of the week

    http://www.nfl.com/voting/name-the-play/2011/REG/7?module=HP11_content_stream

  169. By Stoney on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Fred, I agree with you to a point. If you draft for need the talent must be there, if not that will not work. You are correct, O-line MUST be improved, D backfield and #1 WR also. Don”t think it can all be done through draft.

  170. By PONDER4PREZ on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Ponder showed great poise on sundays game and almost led the team in beating the leagues only undefeated team and superbowl winners. It looks like we have found a quarterback for the future. Now with a passing game that can open up the run game and complete 3rd downs we have the foundation for a succesful team for many years to come. The only thing we need now is a few more reliable recievers and and some good defensive backs. LETS GO VIKES!!!!

  171. By clayvessel on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    I believe we may FINALLY have a franchise quarterback… Ponder looked sharp for the most part. He showed guts AND poise. Looking forward to next season (I’ve been saying that for 50 years!).

  172. By Mt_Viking on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    The downfall of all the dictators and the” Islamic spring phenomena”, along with an artificial jobs growth outlook in the USA-not to mention the EU problems all point to clearing the way for a ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT!!!! VOTE DEMOCRATIC IN 2012!!!

  173. By Mt_Viking on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    THIS MEANS YOU MINNESOTA!!!

  174. By Mt_Viking on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    Our Dem. Gov. Brian Schweitzer, has led this state to a general fund surplus!!! Take that you “Red States”!!! Next time vote BLUE and your State will be in the BLACK hahhahhahh!!!!!

  175. By Ponder fan on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    I predicted this from just a few plays ponder made at the end of the bears game when ponder was converting on the third down. I also totally agree with DRS about us winning more games and not losing as many. I never seen ponder play fr real until the bears game which was too late in the quarter for him to really get anything going. I think this team the way its going will actually be very successful with a great running back, quarter back and can’t forget Jared Allen. Without the Williams wall its been rough………..Very rough though.

  176. By VikesOwn on Oct 24, 2011 | Reply

    we need corners and saftys and o line they need to pick a cornerback for the first round i hope pounder leads us to 10-6 THAT would be and epic winning comeback we probaby wont make its to the playoffs only if something truly remarkable happens but ya we need revenge on the pack an beat them at lambiou (i kno i spelled it wrong)

  177. By Draugr on Oct 25, 2011 | Reply

    I think it was the wrong decision not to go for it. I think in your summary, you leave out a couple of things.

    Even if stopping them right away, it would have required a drive in less than 2 minutes with one timeout remaining. Time would have been an issue making things more difficult by not allowing every type of throw every time, and almsot taking away the ability of using AP.

    The packers offense is great, while their defense wasnt so terrible. It was a high scoring game, suggesting both teams are able to beat the other one’s defense. This definitely speak in favor of letting the offense settle the issue, not defense.

    Secondly, we had a great 3′rd down conversion ratio this game. There was every chance of success.

    If the go for it fail, but the defense can come up with this immediate stop that is required to have a chance at all when trusting the defense, its still a long kick for them, and it can miss. Its a decent chance the chance would come back then, anyway.

    Finally, from a PR point of view: Ponder making the 4′th down would have made the whole thing bigger than if the defense had made a 3 and out.

  178. By purplehaze on Oct 25, 2011 | Reply

    rip vikes-a continuing of last year, 7-16 the last couple years-yikes vikes!!!

  179. By Jim on Oct 25, 2011 | Reply

    WEBB,WEBB,WEBBWEBB,WEBB,WEBBWEBB,WEBB,WEBBWEBB,WEBB,WEBBWEBB,WEBB,WEBBWEBB,WEBB,WEBBWEBB,WEBB,WEBBWEBB,WEBB,WEBBWEBB,WEBB,WEBBWEBB,WEBB,WEBBWEBB,WEBB,WEBBWEBB,WEBB,WEBBWEBB,WEBB,WEBBWEBB,WEBB,WEBBWEBB,WEBB,WEBBWEBB,WEBB,WEBB,HE IS BETTER!!!!! PONDER OUT, WEBB IN ASAP!!!

  180. By WaVikingFan on Oct 25, 2011 | Reply

    No Offense Mike, but I honestly think sometimes you have no idea what you are talking about. Instead of basing ideas off of stats, your just kinda making it up as you go along and giving us an opinion you want. Now onto mine….

    Look at Ponder stats, are they good NO. Was he able to move the ball up the field, YES. But Green Bay is also one of the teams that gives a lot of yardage. So you kinda have to put 2 and 2 together, I want to see how well Ponder does against a solid defense before I make any solid judgement calls. As for McNabb….. it seems everyone but you Mike think he is a descent QB. I have heard time n time again this week how everyone has said he was carried through Washington, and how he was going to get carried here. But guess what, we couldn’t…… Frazier was a moron for getting McNabb, and Frazier should be fired it as well.
    When McNabb was on the field, NONE of the vikings had spirit. Look at those games, Ponder on the field EVEN while losing, all those guys had spirit. So yeah, I am going to go as far as to say. If Ponder was #1 from the start of the season Vikings would be 5-2 right now, with only a loss to Chicago and Green Bay.

  181. By vikadann on Oct 25, 2011 | Reply

    test test

  182. By vikadann on Oct 25, 2011 | Reply

    At least Ponder isnt scared to throw the football, thats what i like, now we need some receivers that can catch, and the two picks that Ponder had , if the receiver cant make the catch at least they can try to knock it out of the defenders hands,some of these receivers need to put in more effort and they could be good. GO PONDER, YOU PUT A SPARK IN OUR TEAM!

  183. By purplehaze on Oct 25, 2011 | Reply

    shawn and drs, geez, are you two bi-polar moronics quite done now? get on the http://www.politico.com site with all your dribble..; your spew is sucking the air out of this blog…

  184. By vikesince69 on Oct 25, 2011 | Reply

    Good to finally see a QB in Minnesota that is not a has been from another team looking for a rebirth gig!!! As much as I wanted to see the Vikes win it all in 2009 it was hard not to gag when I looked at Farve in purple. Wow, I been wondering how this would feel since Sir Francis and TK retired.

  185. By Geiber on Oct 25, 2011 | Reply

    @DRS We do have a reciever who can hold on to the ball we just dont play him. Camarillo should take Berriians spot, Camarillo can catch! Aromashodu isn’t a bad reciver, Jenkins isn’t bad either and we have 2 amazing tight ends in Rudolph and Shiancoe and dont forget old reliable Kleinsasser, plus one of the best players the NFL has ever seen HARVIN its to bad he always has heath issues. We just need a deep threat downfield, we need a Moss, or Megatron.

  186. By Geiber on Oct 25, 2011 | Reply

    I still think we should offer Moss a contract ha ha!

  187. By Rudso on Oct 25, 2011 | Reply

    Very happy with what I saw from Ponder this game. We had the lead at one point and had a chance at winning the game when people were saying this was going to be a blow out. 1 less INT to Woodson, or Safety support on that Jennings TD mishap and this game could of easily been a W.

    I just saw Berrian was finally cut. That opens up a spot right? Do you guys think we fill that spot with another WR, or use what they have at WR and add some help towards our secondary?

  188. By Frederick Jones on Oct 25, 2011 | Reply

    @Stoney

    I said all of that before as far as covering our weaknesses in the draft. I agreed with you that free agency and trades may also need to be utilized to patch up our glaring holes.

    Hopefully we do it before other weaknesses pop up!!!

  189. By DFish on Oct 26, 2011 | Reply

    Why is there still nothing on this website regarding Berrian’s release?!

  190. By DFish on Oct 26, 2011 | Reply

    well here ya go then..

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82377aca/article/vikings-cut-ties-to-embattled-wr-berrian-after-four-seasons?module=HP11_MYNFL

  191. By BleedingPurpleNColorado on Oct 27, 2011 | Reply

    Winfield is getting old, and the newbies aren’t good enough for this division. We have C. Johnson, D. Hester, Cobb, Finley, Burleson, Knox, etc. to deal with twice a year, EVERY YEAR! We needed secondary help in the off-season. Secondary, O-Line and WR help needed for next year. We are trying to recover from the losses of McKinnie, Rice and Griffen (pre-injury). The replacements are just not the same calibur. Our D-Line is above average, so why put focus there. Allen leads the league with, what, 13 sacks already? 90% of DL’s don’t get that many in a season!!! I agree with earlier post that our D-Line is great if we can maintain coverage in the backfield! I hope our Vikes get back to the way it was in the Chilly era, where we can spend some $$$ on prime FAs to fill in these gaps. If so, then we can be back in contention next year!

  192. By epoyjun on Dec 2, 2011 | Reply

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  193. By seospecialistexpert on Feb 10, 2012 | Reply

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