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Vikings Secondary Is Prepared If Winfield Can’t Go

Posted by Mike Wobschall on October 14, 2011 – 1:26 pm

Immediate reaction following last Sunday’s win over the Arizona Cardinals was that the young Vikings secondary, which played without Pro Bowler Antoine Winfield, stepped up in a big way. And Vikings Head Coach Leslie Frazier shared a similar reaction after the game.

“They came up big for us today,” Frazier said in his post-game press conference. “Great to see Asher step up, great to see Jamarca step up. Chris Cook seems like he’s getting better every week. We all know there are big-time receivers every week in our league, and I haven’t seen him bat his eyes yet. He just continues to improve.”

With Winfield unavailable and fellow starter Cedric Griffin sidelined for the first series, Allen and Cook stepped into the starting lineup. And since Arizona had 3 WRs on the first offensive snap, Marcus Sherels also got the start. That means on the first offensive snap of the game, the Vikings 3 starting CBs had an average age of 23 years and average NFL playing experience of 2 seasons.

Even when Griffin returned to the lineup, the secondary was still youthful. But they played like veterans and were a huge reason the defense allowed just 10 points to Larry Fitzgerald and Co.

The Vikings may need a similar effort from that group this week when they travel to Chicago. Winfield didn’t practice all week and he’s listed as doubtful for the game.

“That was extremely encouraging, watching both of those guys compete the way they did,” Frazier said of Allen and Cook on Friday. “We feel like we should be in pretty good shape. With Antoine (out), you miss something from a tackling standpoint, leadership, and all the intangibles he brings. But both Asher and Chris, they’re showing they’re really coming along, which is great for our team.”


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30 Responses to “Vikings Secondary Is Prepared If Winfield Can’t Go”

  1. By DRS on Oct 14, 2011 | Reply

    http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/14/vikings-stadium-project-remains-stalled/

    There is “still no state funding plan, no clear political roadmap to getting the needed 102 votes at the State Capitol and continued doubts about the sprawling suburban site the Vikings have chosen for a 65,000-seat stadium,” the newspaper said. Dayton said that he “will begin meeting with legislators and others next week.” Meanwhile, state Rep. Greg Davids said that he “would insist on public hearings for any stadium subsidy plan before a special session.” Davids: “There’s a lot of tax implications here. I want to hear from the public.”

  2. By DRS on Oct 14, 2011 | Reply

    Mike W. you said,

    “Even when Griffin returned to the lineup, the secondary was still youthful. But they played like veterans and were a huge reason the defense allowed just 10 points to Larry Fitzgerald and Co”

    Why does it matter if a player is youthful, or not? I feel that if a player is in the NFL and getting all the big $$$$$$, he is expected to be able to do his job, if he cannot then he should be out of the NFL and sooner then later.

  3. By DRS on Oct 14, 2011 | Reply

    11 games, then what? The Legislators’ are not taking the Vikings to seriously, I hope and pray there will be a 2012 MN Vikings season.

    Later

  4. By Mike Wobschall on Oct 14, 2011 | Reply

    It matters that they’re young and inexperienced because Winfield is a veteran and is the leader of that group, yet he wasn’t playing. So for the young to step up and play well is impressive, but when you add in the fact that Winfield wasn’t there to help them do it, it’s even more impressive.

  5. By DRS on Oct 14, 2011 | Reply

    AS Roam burns, Nero fiddles and h-e-a-d-s roll, the people ran, there was gnashing of teeth, and the Viking moved to New Mexico for they wanted to be opposite of the team they are now, a winning record team, MN to NM. Santa Fe New Mexico has the great weather and room for a roofless stadium and a people who want a team 100%, we will put out the taxes to get a great investment like the Vikings.

  6. By DRS on Oct 14, 2011 | Reply

    Mike Wobschall, I agree with you 100%, It was very impressive, I just think that if you get paid to do a job, you should be expected to do it well no matter what your age is.

  7. By DRS on Oct 14, 2011 | Reply

    Mike Wobschall, I feel that if the Vikings would have gotten better O-Lineman in the free agency and gotten Hesselbeck from Seattle, (sorry if I misspelled his name), we would be at least 3-1 by now. Why did we get McNabb any way, is it because he was friends with Coach? Why are we not playing Webb, or Ponder?

  8. By DRS on Oct 14, 2011 | Reply

    Yes, Coach Frazier that was extremely encouraging, watching both Allen and Cook compete the way they did, what is discouraging is seeing McNabb failing the way he is, why are you keeping him in, is it because he is your friend?

  9. By DRS on Oct 14, 2011 | Reply

    11 games then what?

  10. By DRS on Oct 14, 2011 | Reply

    Later

  11. By DRS on Oct 14, 2011 | Reply

    Vikings, come to New Mexico we love down here.

  12. By DRS on Oct 14, 2011 | Reply

    We will build you an open-air stadium, no problem. We need the employment any way.

  13. By Matt on Oct 14, 2011 | Reply

    The young secondary did a good job, but Kolb’s struggles made them look much better than they were. Is there any tape or statistic(s) to show otherwise?

  14. By Purple05 on Oct 14, 2011 | Reply

    DRS…it’s because Frazier is giving McNabb the benefit of the doubt…something McNabb has never seemed to get

  15. By DRS on Oct 14, 2011 | Reply

    Oops dropped the, you, in we love you down here, sorry.

  16. By Sir Greasy Panda on Oct 14, 2011 | Reply

    Our secondary has played well against opposing WRs, especially #1s, Megatron did have those two huge plays against us but he is doing that to everyone, he is just that good. But what Im worried about is our short game. The Bears and Packer love to run routes across the middle and allow their smaller speedy receivers make plays after the catch. Hester is extremely fast and if he gets past our mid level defenders he will take it to the house. The packers run nelson, driver, jones and others across the middle a lot. Cook is a big CB that plays well against guys like Fitz, Vincent Jackson and Megatron but against small fast guys I dont know if he can match up. Hopefully we can contain and disrupt their WRs and get to Cutler on a consistent basis.

  17. By DRS on Oct 14, 2011 | Reply

    Purple05, why should he get the benefit of doubt? Has he shown that he has what it takes in the last few years? Why give a veteran player time to improve when he should be able to do his job, how many years will you give him to learn something new? I think he has had plenty of chances to be given the benefit the doubt, just being let in the NFL gave him the benefit of any doubt, how many games lost will be the right amount of doubt?

  18. By DRS on Oct 14, 2011 | Reply

    Here is to a win for the Vikings this sunday night, hope they do better then they have done in the past sunday night games.

    SKOL Vikings.

  19. By DRS on Oct 14, 2011 | Reply

    Later one and all.

  20. By DRS on Oct 14, 2011 | Reply

    http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/05/the-importance-of-a-true-no-1-receiver-in-the-n-f-l/

  21. By Beeverchoan on Oct 14, 2011 | Reply

    McDud is awful.

  22. By Viking Joe on Oct 14, 2011 | Reply

    The Bears receivers aren’t very good, the Vikings need to bottle up Forte, he’s their best threat at running and catching the ball, and don’t kick it to Hester !!!!!

  23. By DrinkHeavyVikingsFans on Oct 14, 2011 | Reply

    Bears coming off a short week. McBoob is 5-2 against the Bears as crazy as that sounds. Bears are toward the bottom in run and pass defense. Take the points, Vikes win out-right 23-17 as Cutler is intercepted in the end zone to end the game…

  24. By Frederick Jones on Oct 14, 2011 | Reply

    Mike Wobschall,

    Explain why the DBs and OLs are the weakness of this team, as well as LAST YEAR.

    Please tell us this team is not being run the same way the Detroit City Lions were run from 1998 to 2009 ! ! !

    You’re going to tell me that doesn’t involve the front office???

  25. By DrinkHeavyVikingsFans on Oct 15, 2011 | Reply

    The losses this year have set a new standard for ineptness for sure. But did anyone really expect to go to the Super Bowl with this team with a new coaching staff, new offensive system, washed up QB, weak OL and DS? Let’s all accept the fact that this is a rebuilding year, even if the front office and the coaches don’t come out and say that. Hopefully McBurnt is just a stop-gap measure for this year while Webb/Ponder gets ready. We all know the OL and DS need major upgrades and based on some of the changes Lez was willing to make (ax McKinney and Madieu Williams), I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt while he gets his feet under him. Hopefully he’s up to the challenge of putting this team back near the top..Go Vikes!

  26. By Stoney on Oct 15, 2011 | Reply

    What rebuilding? I could accept rebuilding. Old QB, not using the young guys to see what we’ve got or if they are the future, poor O-line, with no rookies getting expirience. We do have some promising young players on D. We need to know if Ponder is our franchise QB or not. Will not know if he only rides the bench. Not like McNabb is lighting it up, but he’s playing, and don’t get me started on BB (waste of a roster spot, give it to one of the young WR to see if they got anything.

  27. By absaroka2 on Oct 15, 2011 | Reply

    As an old retired const.Supt., working remote Alaska for 20 years, a new man on the job would take me all of an hour to see if he was worth his salt! If he wasn’t, he was on the next plane to Anchorage! What is wrong with Frazier? Is he scared to bench McNott? If McNott had any brains, he would ask to be benched. Why you say? His completion is about the lowest at 58%.He knows if Aromashodu breaks free for the long haul, he can’t get it to him! That’s why he isn’t throwing any long ones. He knows his arm is shot with all his short grassburners! For the sake of all the good players,to mention a few, Allen,Peterson, Harvin, etc.,etc., it’s not fair to them to have an arrogant, over the hill QB bring them down when Ponder is looking on! Do the Fans & team a favor McNott & SIT DOWN! They will still pay you your 5 mil!

  28. By vikefanforlife on Oct 16, 2011 | Reply

    does anybody else think brandon loyld would be a good addition. instead of getting one in the draft?????????????????????????????

  29. By Minivike on Oct 16, 2011 | Reply

    This is how I see it. Just an opinion folks from a gal who has been watching this team for many, many years. My take is that the Vikes had a new and promising coach. They had mega talent on the offensive side of the ball, and better than average talent on the d line. They knew they needed a franchise QB for the future and made what they thought was the best choice, in Ponder, knowing full well it would take a rookie, any rookie, time to adapt and learn. But that choice was aimed squarely at the future and they wanted to win now utilizing the talent they have. That left them in the position of finding an experienced free agent qb. Those who were available weren’t exactly pro bowl material. Of those available it would seem, to most, that it came down to McNabb or Hasselbeck. Tennessee jumped quickly on the latter, to replace Vince Young, while drafting their own new rookie Qb. That left McNabb as the best available option and with the familiarity of Frazier and McNabb it made more sense than any other option. Frazier must see Ponder in a purely developmental light, such as Green Bay did with Rodgers, who waited, patiently learning, on the bench. McNabb was chosen to be an offensive manager, much in the same way Dilfer was for Baltimore. Not great by any means, just a manager, at least experienced in reading defenses, etc. Ponder may have the skills, but is not ready to “manage” the offense, so we watch as McNabb underthrows and overshoots, and we depend on AP, and Percy, Shianco and even Rudolph to work the system. I don’t want to see Ponder yet. Seeing Ponder means our season is effectively over and sends that message to the team as well as fans. Just my 2 cents, thanks for listening.

  30. By sandiamond on Oct 16, 2011 | Reply

    LAKE FOREST, Ill. — Chicago Bears defensive end Julius Peppers is doubtful for Sunday’s home game against the Minnesota Vikings.

    Peppers, the Bears’ top pass rusher, has a sprained left knee and did not practice at all this week after getting hurt in Monday night’s loss at Detroit.

    “I don’t know if they’ll completely change the game plan, but I’d say you’ll have an entirely different attitude not having Julius Peppers on the football field,” Bears coach Lovie Smith said of the Vikings. “Great player, you have to deal with him. Especially on passing downs, you have to think about putting two guys on him. We need other guys to step up.”

    Nick Reed will likely see time as Peppers’ replacement.

    The Bears’ other defensive changes come at safety, where veterans Chris Harris and Brandon Meriweather have been benched. Rookie third-round pick Chris Conte will make his first start and second-year player Major Wright will also get a start.

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