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Vikings Secondary Hangs Tough vs. Rivers

Posted by Mike Wobschall on September 12, 2011 – 7:46 am

Chargers QB Philip Rivers’ box score from Sunday’s game against the Vikings looks pretty good at surface level: 33 of 48 for 335 yards, with 2 TDs and 2 INTs. As a result, it’s easy to scoff at the title of this blog entry and write off the secondary for a poor performance.

If you go deeper than surface level, though, you’ll discover that the Vikings secondary actually played well. Rivers is an elite NFL passer and he dropped back to pass a whopping 48 times on Sunday. While 335 yards is a lot, when you break it down to average yards per attempt, it’s 6.9 yards per attempt, which is a full yard below Rivers’ career average. Also, Rivers registered an 85.0 passer rating on Sunday, which is a 14+ points behind his career passer rating.

Furthermore, San Diego’s top WR is Vincent Jackson and the Vikings held him in check. Jackson had just 2 catches for 31 yards on the day and was a complete non-factor. Perhaps the best pass-catching option for the Chargers is TE Antonio Gates, and while he tallied 74 receiving yards, it came on 8 receptions, which is just 9.3 yards per catch (Gates’ career yards per catch is 13.2).

What didn’t help the secondary was the Vikings inability to pressure Rivers. Yes, the Vikings registered a pair of sacks, but two sacks in 48 dropbacks is not enough. DEs Jared Allen and Brian Robison were factors, so give them some credit for hanging in there. Where I thought the Vikings struggled a touch was in the middle, and that’s largely because Kevin Williams was not playing. The Vikings missed him. He’s a perennial Pro Bowler who is double-teamed nearly every snap. DTs Remi Ayodele, Fred Evans, Letroy Guion and Christian Ballard are solid contributors, but they’re success in this defense is predicated on Williams being in the game and taking up two blockers. That wasn’t the case on Sunday and the Chargers were able to take advantage.

All told, give the Vikings secondary credit. They held Rivers in check even though he dropped back to pass nearly 50 times. I’m willing to say that if Rivers drops back 50 times against every team in the NFL, most defenses allow more than the 335 yards the Vikings allowed.


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74 Responses to “Vikings Secondary Hangs Tough vs. Rivers”

  1. By Mike B on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Mike W. I will give you the fact that Rivers was not able to get the deep ball down the field. The secondary was awful allowing 3rd downs to become 1st downs on 3rd and long series. There was always someone being missed and usually it was Cooks assignment. Cook’s 2 penalties really cost us. Rivers basically picked us apart when he had to pass just enough to continue the drive or run down the clock. I can’t see bragging up the secondary just due to the fact they stopped the long ball. They need to improve a bunch to be a quality group. Winfield is the exception. Have a Great day

  2. By MikeWobschall on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    I think Rivers was able to pickup those 1st downs through the air largely because he had too much time to pass. You can only cover a guy for so long, and the Vikings secondary had to cover receivers for a long time because the pass rush just wasn’t there consistently.

  3. By Rye on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Yeah, I’m sure Rivers was crushed that the entire second half he simply had to throw underneath for 6.9 yards a shot.

    Sloppy tackling in the second half by the secondary played a huge role in the loss too.

  4. By Lawrence C on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    I am sorry, but I don’t know what game you were watching yesterday. I was there and McNabb had 39 yards passing and Peterson had 98 yards. If it wasn’t for a couple McNabb scrambles the rushing yards would have been barely over 100 yards. There was no offense and the reason the Bolts won is because they have all that. The only thing that kept the Vikes in the game was the kickoff return. If Rivers didn’t make to bad choices on throwing the ball deep in Vikings territory it would have been more points and not to mention the dropped pass by Vincent Jackson in the ENDZONE.. You didn’t keep Rivers or Vincent Jackson in Check they kept themselves in check. The Vikings had to blitz the whole game to even stay in it and it is what did them in at the end. Tell your running back peterson to keep his mouth shut with his predictions and go sign a better QB.

  5. By campfrazier on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Well can see Berrian is still his old self. Why is it that other teams cut guys who aren’t performing and Vikings always seem to keep these guys because of potential. It’s stupid. CUT THIS GUY ALREADY, NEXT MAN UP!!!!!!! The O line didnt help much either. and what was with handing the ball to Peterson in the second half? gotta love the old win the turnover battle statement. Well, we did and what did we get, a loss Why? Because one int came right at the half, and the other the offense couldn’t even move the ball let alone get points with it. its going to be a long season.

  6. By Joe B on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    What are we 12 people ? Its a team game and two wrongs do not make a right. There is no finger pointing to any group of players. The Vikings did not play well, in all facets to win. Sloppy play, lack of discipline, no offense and in the end the better team won. Cheers J.

  7. By Titus on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    I am tired of reasoning such as in this article– actually, the secondary played well. Really? Why? Rivers is an elite passer. . . Well, last I checked, the goal is to win a championship and guess what you have in championship games? Elite passers.
    Yikes, let’s stop the excuses and rainbows and nail the issues — and correct them with discipline and hard choices. It’s not rocket science to see what we need to work on. Oh, the man slammed the car into the SUV, killing everyone. But actually, if you negate the fact he had been drinking, and that he only had his license for 3 months, he drove well.

  8. By Mike B on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Sorry Mike W there is no bright spot here need stick with the Harvin return for TD. That’s about it.

  9. By Shawn on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    How long will we make excuses for Berrian’s brick hands?

  10. By Twoodsnvikes on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    I agree with everyone’s comments here. We got rid of Mcfatty, finally gave up on T Joke, how long before the org finally agrees Berrian is terrible? All the fans clearly see it. Does he just tell really good jokes in the locker room and that’s too valuable to cut? And for the secondary.. they did a terrible job, as predicted. We needed jared allen in pass coverage just to make a play, he should go up to our secondary and say “hey guys see that, that’s how you catch a ball when it’s thrown right to you”. And then they bite on Phillip River’s roll out thinking he would run, which he never does, and leave Tolbert wide open for a touchdown. Embarrassing game

  11. By Robins on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Get rid of Berrian and McNabb. 39 passing yards? The Eagles and Redskins knew he was terrible. Why do we have him? Play Ponder and get on with the games. Don’t waste the whole season with McNabb. He is a loser.

  12. By garrett1212 on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Definitely gave up some easy first downs to SD on 3rd and long. O-line needs to pass protect better. Thought we ran the ball well. Defense clearly got worn down being on the field so much. Offense was nonexistent except the run game. Not blaming McNabb for this one. I think everyone is in agreement about Berrian. Time to go. He has no size (bean pole), poor hands, and no aggressiveness. Only way he may catch a pass is being wide open. Doesn’t have the strenght or will power to muscle a defender and go after the ball. We need a true number one receiver. Granted, we played a great SD team that finished number 1 or 2 in total offense and defense last year. Need less predictable play calling.

  13. By jeff on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    e1 mentioned everything that is true, no need to add more except a fly could tackle bernard berrian. He can’t catch and a 1st grader could tackle him.

  14. By Titus on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Let’s not jump on McNabb yet– slow down there. He does not do well with a lot of negative criticism and I believe he still can manage a team, throw an accurate bullet, and run. Slow down there. The team had a lot of issues yesterday– especially those penalties. Let’s give them the benefit of the doubt and see what happens in the next two or three games– see if Frazier and company correct these issues and the team gels better.

    What I don’t like is a blind defense of obvious shortcomings like in this article. Let’s face the issues so we can correct them. Let’s not slant the statistics to say everything is great and the secondary played well– if you were not watching the television, maybe. Paleeeeze! First step to greatness is an inventory of where you are at— a real inventory. The logic of this article is that if we play a mediocre quarterback, our secondary is good. What follows from that logic is we will be at the bottom of our division.

  15. By MikeWobschall on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Pass rush wasn’t there and the secondary still held Rivers below his career averages. Chargers had the ball for nearly 38 minutes, Rivers threw 48 times and the secondary held its own. I was encouraged by their performance. You can disagree with that take all you want, but from the intel I’ve gathered from people who know the game better than me and from what I can see in the stats and from watching the game, the secondary was fine. We were hurt by the lack of pass rush, by Kevin Williams not playing and by not getting off the field on 3rd down, along with the offense being unable to sustain drives and keep SD’s offense off the field.

    You have every right to be critical of anything you want, but if you’re going to criticize the secondary I think it should be pretty far down your list.

  16. By Rocksalt on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Mike Wobschall makes some good points, as does Tiitus……..
    Secondary cannot cover players all day. Rivers was not under duress. McNabb was runnign for his life. Where were our Dline and linebackers??? CBs and safeties making tackles(barely)
    Tackling- a poor job by this team.
    I said it earlier and will say it again, this team has a lot of question marks…..it was also disappointing to see our lack of imagination as per play calling.
    Penalties…….not a very disciplined team…….

  17. By Rocksalt on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    one other thing……it is getting harder and harder to see the unicorns and rainbows, man……..

  18. By Titus on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Just goes to prove the saying, “With logic, you can prove a square is a circle.” Sure, you can make all kinds of exceptions and point to statistics, but when I see the ball thrown over and over and caught and caught, something is wrong. So, Mike W. , part of your logic is the Chargers held the ball 38 minutes– well, that is what you get when you throw and get first downs over and over– sorry, but your argument does not hold. Secondary has issues– Again, your argument they played an elite passer implied they had a difficult task and thus did pretty good, considering– that is AN EXCUSE. If we can only play against the non-elite passers, we will not win in the playoffs. I am getting off here and back to the real world– enough of lala land.

  19. By Rick on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Is there any way the Vikings can switch in Mistral Raymond for Sanford/Johnson? Yeah, he may not have the same experience, but Sanford and Johnson had so many missed tackles!! Raymond is a big hitter and sure tackler. That is what we need back there.

  20. By Rocksalt on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Titus-
    There are always excuses……..especially when something has not been done or done properly……the dog ate my homework, I was stuck in traffic, etc……I agree with you that we should not sugar coat poor efforts……

  21. By Joe C on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    @Mike W

    I agree with you 100% the secondary played very well. We should be happy with the way they came together as a group against a team that can score at will.

    Our secondary played above expectations for sure -

  22. By Carl K on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    I don’t think the effort of the secondary was poor. They played up to my expectation. They played well enough to win. Our linebackers had a hard time covering Tolbert out of the backfield. Tolbert had 9 receptions for 58 yards and 2 TD. I was expecting more from our linbackers… and I was also expecting more from our offense.

    I will point the finger at other areas first before tacking the blame on the secondary.

  23. By purplehorn on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Mike W. You must have missed the deep ball to Floyd that had Cedric beat by at least two steps and no help over the top in the frame? This was a frustrating loss for fans and the team, because they almost beat a very good Chargers football team. Most everybody is just venting, but you have to wonder why our D didn’t get to Rivers even when we sent six or seven guys? There were no blitz packages that created the lanes on delay they all seemed to run into the pile, and nobody came free. Those lanes get created when your tackles are on the same page and rushing opposite shoulders. Pagac knows what I’m talking about no doubt. How does Lebeau get away with Polamalu coming off of edges and not get burned deep? He gets to the QB, that’s why. Rivers is Dan Marino mobile and the heat should have come up the gut and off the edge ……it didn’t because there were no lanes. We will win games this year. McNabb will be fine once his wrist is 100%. I pay attention to the obvious.

  24. By NovaScotiaVike on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    OK….I’ll give San Diego that one. But next week Tampa comes in and they will be Pi$$ed. They must realize how lucky they were with both N.O. and Atlanta losing, but that’s not going to happen very often. If we can’t beat teams like Tampa at home, it’s going to be a double-digit loss season for sure.

  25. By Titus on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Nova, we will cream the Bucs.

  26. By NovaScotiaVike on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Nothing personal, Titus, but your predictions haven’t exactly been coming up Jimmy the Greek- like.

  27. By Jimmy on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    McNabb will be fine. The vikings were not aggressive on offense and I believe Shank and Harvin had a drop that should have been caught. Didn’t like some of the play calls…and WHERE was the play-action…McNabb does well with play-action

  28. By Carl K on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Nova- “Jimmy the Greek like”. LOL You are showing your age.

  29. By NovaScotiaVike on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Carl K……..I prefer to think of it as “experience”.

  30. By Dennis on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    How come Green Bay gets all the prime rib and the vikings get all the pork chops? Why don’t we try to steal some of their scouts? Those guys know how to find talent! That team is over loaded with it!

  31. By Titus on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Nova, you are clearly under the British system with your punctuation outside the quotation marks. It makes more sense to me, and it baffles international students when I tell them their period has to go inside the quotation mark.

  32. By NovaScotiaVike on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Then again, it’s not “experience” that makes my bones ache every winter !

  33. By Titus on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    I am off to campus everyone. The debate was fun— next week we will be BAROOOOOING at the Bucs all afternoon.

  34. By Titus on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Don’t say bone in front of Sonja.

  35. By NovaScotiaVike on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Titus, if they don’t like it………….EXPEL THEM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  36. By Carl K on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Nova- I have been crying all day… thanks for making me smile.

  37. By Titus on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Carl, remember what Denny Green always said…

    Gotta run for real now!

  38. By NovaScotiaVike on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    No problem Carl….we’re all in this together.

  39. By Viking Joe on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Rivers seemed to eat us alive with the underneath stuff, I hope that’s not a trend on how to beat the Vikes,a positive spin the Chargers were favored by 8.5, and we had chances, it just seems we went all out in the first half and by the second half they were gassed !!!!

  40. By Viking Joe on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    The blogs last night were terrible, Ithink some cheeseheads infiltrated our inner realm, man just some nasty comments.

  41. By NovaScotiaVike on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Next week we probably won’t hear from them. It’s an earlier game and I think that’s when they milk the cows.

  42. By drew on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    It been years since we had good crop of cornere, Every years this position is our weakest link. But what you going to do? Just stick with the team win. lose or draw.

  43. By Carl K on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Titus – Denny Green said “they are who we thought they were”… He also said “when opportunity comes knock’n on the door you better have your bags packed and ready to go.

    The sad part about the San Deigo game was we had our “opportunity” to win that game but we didn’t come out at halftime focused, prepared and ready go get after it. We played soft and tentative.

  44. By Rad on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    1 game does not a season make, now if any of us were coaches I’m probably sure a few guys on the team would get cut but we are not.We are passionate fans about our Vikes but what can we do but cheer them on every week, and truth be told Berrian has had the same hands he had before he came to us and I dought very seriously he would change or the Bears wouldnt have let him leave. Lets give’em a shot before we shootem down.

  45. By b_rad on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    I agree one game a season is not made…

    But we have seen Berrian ENOUGH times now – its time for him to go!

  46. By MG on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Yes, none of us are coaches, but these men get paid millions to coach a child’s game, and do so on national TV – they’re ASKING for criticism. Yesterday, the coaches and the team showed worse strategy and discipline than the Vikings under Brad “12 men in the huddle” Childress.

    Using the pass to set up the run doesn’t make the star RB any less dominant (see the 2009 Vikings). They paid McNabb to pass – even Rhett Bomar could have just handed the ball off, and for a lot less money. The only way for McNabb to become dominant is to call passing plays that get him going and open up room for AD underneath. There’s a reason all recently successful teams use the pass to set up the run, and not vice versa – no matter how good their RB is.

    Musgrave should flip a coin every first down. Heads means run, tails means pass – now THAT would be unpredictable, and would actually utilize their passing targets (Harvin, Rudolph, Jenkins, Shiancoe).

    Also, where was Iron Mike’s magical coaching of these LBs? They looked like the weakest link on defense – unable to generate QB pressure or cover the short pass (run coverage was not terrible, but far from great).

  47. By MG on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    P.S. establishing the pass first forces teams to drop at least one man into coverage, which eases up QB pressure. That’s the best thing for the O-line (and AD of course).

  48. By GM on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    MIke W.

    Can’t say I disagree with you.

    How about putting some polls up. Something like:

    Game 1, Vikings weakest link – Offense

    Play calling
    O-line
    Receivers
    QB
    RB

    Game 1, Vikings weakest link – Defense

    Play calling
    D-Line
    Linebackers
    D-Backs

    It might save a lot of typing here in the comment section.

  49. By GM on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    …..and do the same with for the strongest link.

    Then data sheet the info, graph it, make a pie chart, do a powerpoint, and cut off all musgrave/ childress communication.

  50. By TW VIKE on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Waive McNabb and Berrian. I was at the game and McNabb must have thought it was still preseason. No emotion or leader ship. During T.V. time-outs he stood 10 yards away from his team mates staring at the sun. 39 yards passing is a JOKE!!! When Webb came in I was hoping we would not see #5 again. McNabb has no heart or fire. Rivers was always trying to fire his guys up and showed in the end. We did nothing to improve our secondary and it showed. The Chargers moved the ball up & down the field at will. If it was not for gimme turn-overs it would have been a blow-out. How many chances does Berrian get? Percy,AP,& J. Allen are the only Vikings that showed up.

  51. By Vikings1 on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    I also disagree with Mike W about the secondary, even when the D-line was pressuring Rivers, the secondary was caught many times looking into the backfield and losing their coverage. I am sorry but to me giving up almost 350 yards passing is not good and you will end up losing more games than you win.

  52. By Canadian Vikes Fan on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Blaming the secondary is incredibly short sighted. Rivers for the most part had a lot of time to throw, and threw the ball 50 times. Rivers is one of the best QBs in the league, he’ll throw for that much against the Steelers and Ravens as well if he throws it 50 times. Additionally, if the offence had done ANYTHING and held Rivers off the field for a couple more minutes, the numbers would have been down. I’m pretty sure people here consider the Packers to have a good defence, yet they gave up over 400 yards passing to Brees (more than Rivers got yesterday) the other night yet I’m sure ZERO Packers fans are complaining about their secondary. Why? Because they have an offence that can match it.

  53. By Don on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    i for one think we need better blitz’s..it just seemed like they all just ran in the middle..getting no where..and are coaches where to scared to let the db’s get into the wr’s face..why where we playing off them the whole second half..

  54. By Viking Joe on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Bring back Carl Lee and Vencie Glenn !!!! Maybe even perhaps Chris Doleman !!!!
    Well all in all it’s just one game, let’s see how they do at home the next few weeks, and as far as a reciever how about Jake Reed !!!

  55. By Billy on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Lets all relax a little. New coaches, system, players, quarterback. The Viks have some great core players and it may take a little time to gell

  56. By Arrow86 on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    @Carl K:

    You brought up a point a while back about the linebackers unable to cover Tolbert. Yes, he’s a load, but he doesn’t have world class speed by any means. Tolbert, got the last laugh by being on the winning side of it, but he is totally classless in his antics. How he didn’t get flagged for his orchestrated celebrations with teammates. He made a total butt of himself with his behavior and it negatively overshadowed a decent performance between the lines.

  57. By DuaneN on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Game was frustrating and encouraging.

    Offense played bad and we almost won against a good team on grass.

    Please get Harvin the ball in the middle of the field. I am so sick of these stupid WR screen plays, they are awful unless your name is Hester.

  58. By kdog on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    First of all Mcnabb is not the problem right now on our offense you cant expect any QB to produce when your recievers are terrible and you get no protection!. Berrian is terrible and so is jenkins they are no threat so score what so ever. If you want to having a passing game you need wrs to catch the ball and make plays and they do not do that, so I would rather put webb at reciever over them! at least he is a threat to score. You cant win in this league when your passing game is below average if we could get it good enough just to keep defenses honest then we would be so much better, but we dont even have that right now.

  59. By TheILVikeFan on Sep 13, 2011 | Reply

    I thought Jenkins looked alright. I didn’t see any drops from him… *COUGH BERRIAN *COUGH And he did score if I remember correctly, so apparently he is a threat to score.

  60. By ibleedpurple on Sep 13, 2011 | Reply

    Come on people stand by your team to believe is to achieve!!! Its the first week they build their confidence from their fan base keep your head up we are going to the SUPERBOWL!!! =)

  61. By Carl Brodin on Sep 13, 2011 | Reply

    What we need to do is mix up the play calling on 1st down. I’m not saying abandon the run on 1st down but change it up from game to game. Like the up coming game start with the pass eithe go play action or go down the field for this you will have to form a formation with these players included. Harvin,Rudolph,Jenkins,Shiancoe,Aroushamodu,Peterson,Kliensasser. We have plenty of weapons lets use them and you can use these guys in the run game. Forget Berrian infact lets waive him and find a speedster to replace him. We let go of Mcfatty. Its time to release Mcdroppy.

  62. By Carl Brodin on Sep 13, 2011 | Reply

    Next years Nfl Draft 1st R OT 2nd R WR 3rd R S 4th R LB 5th R

  63. By Randy on Sep 13, 2011 | Reply

    yeah maybe our defense didnt play horrible against Rivers. By no means did we shut him down, obviously. But we also didn’t give up like 500 yards passing like the Miami dolphins did to Tom Brady, although i think that had everything to do with Brady and nothing to do with the Miami defense. The point im making though is that I wouldn’t read too much into this. I think it was more because the Chargers had an off day more than we had a good day.

  64. By Robins on Sep 13, 2011 | Reply

    Just get rid of McNabb! Play Ponder with Webb as his back up.

  65. By Andy on Sep 13, 2011 | Reply

    So your telling me 300 + yards and a few TD’s is hanging tough? I guess you and I dont think alike. Winfields INT was a tip, and the other came from your Defensive End, not a DB……

  66. By kdog on Sep 13, 2011 | Reply

    Jenkins is at best average!! look at his stats for his whole careers and look at his stats for the game he is not a threat to score! You are telling me because someone scores a td there a ligitimate wr threat to score every play? He is not a sydney rice, or randy moss in his prime or fitzgerlad steve smith etc… He wont be 1000 reciever and will be lucky to have 10 td catches in a season. He is slow and does not make plays.

  67. By kdog on Sep 13, 2011 | Reply

    1000 yard reciever

  68. By kdog on Sep 13, 2011 | Reply

    Michael Jenkins had 3 receptions for 26yds that is an 8.7 average per catch. That will not cut it for the offense, every team with an above average QBs really have threats at the wr postion who have proved they can make big plays consistantly not a td every few games. Micheal Jenkins has never had more then 7tds recieving in year in his whole career. Opposing teams dont have a hard time planning for Micheal Jenkins because he is so explosive and such a threat to make big plays and score and if you think that then you are dillusional.

  69. By OLD SCHOOL on Sep 13, 2011 | Reply

    PLEASEEEEEEE! Let’s just get Ponder in there and let him take his lumpos and learn this year! Lets not waste this year and then waste next year to do it!

    We are 4-12…5-11…..AT BEST!

    GET THE ROOKIE IN THERE AND GET HIM READY FOR NEXT YEAR!

    And Mike W…………..THIS SECONDARY IS NO WHERE NEAR BEING A GROUP THAT WILL BE ABLE TO HANDLE ANY OF THE OFFENSES OR THE QB’S THAT WE HAVE IN OUR OWN DIVISION!

    THAT’S A FACT…IF YOU LOOK AT THAT ALONE…..THIS SECONDARY IS SUB-PAR!

  70. By Rudso on Sep 13, 2011 | Reply

    I agree, I think our secondary did a good job. You guys can look at the cup as half empty but non of San Diego’s receivers got a TD, and that’s including Gates. We lost because our offense couldn’t score or move the ball well but that’s not the topic isn’t it?

    Tolbert was responsible for all 3 TD’s for SD, he was Rivers dump-off when his WR’s were covered. With all the talk how Rivers was going to light our secondary up with his “high flying” offense, we held the lead for most of that game and lost our chance to get back in the game when our D-line gave 3 straight penalties right at the end.

    I would give our secondary a B and our D-line a D. Allen did great and so did Robinson but Rivers just stood up in the pocket all day with no pressure up the middle. I think this game would of ended differently if we had K. Williams.

  71. By Rudso on Sep 13, 2011 | Reply

    OLD SCHOOL, you don’t know how our secondary will do vs. the teams in our division so put your magic 8 ball away. C. Griffin made some plays and will be a contributor this season. Non of San Diego’s true pass catchers got a TD. Aren’t they suppose to be a high flying offense?

  72. By OLD SCHOOL on Sep 13, 2011 | Reply

    Rudso, just come back here to this site after the first games vs the Lions, Pack, and Bears………….

    AND TELL ME THAT I WAS RIGHT ON!

    AND IF I’M WRONG…I’LL DO THE SAME!

  73. By TheILVikeFan on Sep 14, 2011 | Reply

    @KDOG I’m just saying, he had 3 receptions of Mcnabb’s 7 completions. He had 26 yards of the 39 total… He may not have played well with ATL, but that doesn’t mean he will play baad in MIN. I’m not saying he is a huge deep threat, but I will say he is a good target. He has decent size and hands. He also caught our only receiving touchdown. We don’t need a Randy Moss or a Larry Fitzgerald. It would be nice, but we have AD. We just need some WRs that can catch a ball to keep the D honest. The reason Webb did ok at the end of last season was because he didn’t turn the ball over. He had more pics than TDs, but he still did well keeping the ball in the Os hands and keeping the D off the field. That’s all we need. Its nice to have an explosive offense, but not a must. We just have to be able to score a few times and win the TOP.

  74. By kdog on Sep 14, 2011 | Reply

    I agree that we dont need the best Wrs in the NFL but if berrian and jenkins are the best we got I dont think thats enough to keep the defense honest. We do have ap you are right and he is the best running back in the league but when our wrs dont stretch the field every week they are going to keep stacking the box to stop the run. In our division they have some pretty solid defenses and they will be able to biltz and stack the box without worry because they know they can have man to man coverage on Berrian and Jenkins. Joe Webb is one of the most freakish athletes in the entire NFL he is bigger stronger Vick when it comes to running he just not as elite passing the ball yet. Now when you have him at QB his ability to run is so good that coaches will lose sleep over it because he adds such an element they have to cover how he used his legs on the eagles last year amazing. Back to wrs I just think we had plent of oppourtunity to get rid of berrian and gives contract to a guy like Braylon Edwards or maybe chad johnson depending on if the coaches thought he would be a good locker room presence. When brett farve lead us to the nfc championship game he AP, Harvin Sydney rice with a break out season shanco with break out year and chester taylor who was amazing on getting first downs. We dont have the pro bowl threat out wide anymore and we dont have a complent to AP like Chester Taylor was. When you face teams in our divison with high powered offense packers, and the bears offense puts up numbers and the lions with calvin johnson are going to put up numbers and you still have to face the saints and the eagles possbily in the playoffs?. We going to need points I love our defense but to be fair to them to expect them to hold all those teams under 20 points is not happening. When we played the chargers if you take away the kick return because we cant expect that every game then thats 10 points and we can beat any good teams scoring 10 points on offense this season.

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