A Learning Opportunity For Young Vikings D-Linemen

Posted by Mike Wobschall on September 12, 2011 – 8:39 am

I was immensely disappointed while standing in the locker room after Sunday’s season-opening loss to the San Diego Chargers. But as I stood just outside of a media huddle surrounding DE Jared Allen’s locker, I saw and heard reason for encouragement and optimism.

Allen had a great game against San Diego, tallying 6 tackles to go along with half a sack and an INT. The Vikings were not able to pressure Chargers QB Philip Rivers enough, but it wasn’t because of Allen. Regardless, when the result goes against the Vikings, it’s Allen – a leader on the Vikings defense – who has to answer the critics.

On Sunday, he did a good job of that and provided outstanding leadership along the way. Flanked to the right of Allen’s locker in the visiting locker room at Qualcomm Stadium were Brian Robison, Letroy Guion and Christian Ballard; Fred Evans was in the area, too. I’d classify all four of them – even 4-year veteran Robison because he’s a first-year starter in 2011 – as young defensive linemen. And they were sitting at their lockers when Allen was meeting with reporters.

Allen, coming off a great performance in a game his team lost, answered questions with grace and never pointed a finger at anyone but himself or the team as a whole.

“We blew it, man…We just give them the end of the game. We give them 15 yards in penalties. That’s not acceptable.”

Allen didn’t give San Diego anything in penalties. But he lumped himself into the group of players who committed three, yes three, encroachment/offsides penalties in the game’s final series, which eventually gave San Diego a 1st down via penalty and allowed Rivers and Co. to line up in the victory formation and kneel on the ball, rather than have to bite, scratch and crawl their way for a game-winning 1st down into the teeth of the Vikings run defense.

It was a good learning opportunity for those young defensive linemen, who were playing without perennial Pro Bowler Kevin Williams. I could tell they were listening to Allen, or at least could hear Allen, as he answered the questions and took responsibility for the defense’s performance. If I were a young player on a team with great veteran leadership that was expecting to return to the playoffs, I wouldn’t want to be a part of the reason one of the veterans had to answser questions about making mental mistakes at the end of a big game.

I’ve said for the past three weeks that Allen had the best training camp of any Vikings player, and that he’s going to be a productive player for the defense this season. It’s great to see Allen’s productivity is transcending the football field and entering the locker room, where the Vikings have a host of young defensive linemen who need to continue developing.

If those young defensive linemen follow Allen’s lead, their development won’t take long.

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132 Responses to “A Learning Opportunity For Young Vikings D-Linemen”

  1. By Jonathan Zabrocki on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    A “Learning Opportunity?”… mean these players did not know that they need to wait for the ball to be hiked before they move forward? I trust they went over this in Middle School, High School, College, and with Mr. Frazers excellent pre-game instructions

  2. By Shawn on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    When will Berrian learn to catch?

  3. By Shawn on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Why are the blogs focused on the defense? Clearly our weakness was not being able to throw the ball for more than 39 yards …

  4. By Shawn on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    The defense played well untill they got wore down because BERNARD BERRIAN CANT GET OPEN ON A PEE WEE TEAM !!!!!!!!!!!!

  5. By Shawn on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    and if he does by some freak occurance manage to get open he drops the ball even though it hit him in the stomach …

  6. By Rye on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    The young defensive line did a pretty good job.

    To me, the disturbing thing is the coaching.

    It seems like they think just because they have a good running back, that’s what they need to do all the time. They are so predictable.

    Isn’t a good running attack supposed to open up the pass when defenders put 8 in the box? Why in the heck are the vikings not passing? Bad pass protection and EXTREMELY conservative play calling. The vikings had only 2 pass yards in the second half!!!!!

  7. By Jorgie1 on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    The d-line collapsed in the second half along with the rest of the team. It’s going to be a very long season.

  8. By Troy Williamson on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Bernard Berrian Sucks !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  9. By Robins on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Why do we still have Bernard Berrian? Sidney Rice was much better and he is now gone. Duh!!! And why do we have McNabb who isn’t any good? 39 yards? The Eagles and Redskins knew he wasn’t any good so why do we have him? Play Ponder. He is our future and we all know he will play better and get more then 39 yards. McNabb can’t teach him how to win. McNabb is a loser. Wake up before you throw the whole season away.

  10. By Vikadan11 on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Watching the pass to Berrian that everyone is fussing about ~

    1) he had 2 steps on the CB ~

    2) Loadholts man hit McNabb just as he threw the ball and it came up short ~ I would say by 8 or 10 yards ~

    3) As berrian adjusted to the under thrown ball the DB got his hand on it ~

    If McNabb hadn’t been hit and Berrian drop the ball I could understand all the fussing ~ Yet the only thing that work on the play was Berrian beating his man and was open for what should have been a TD ~

  11. By Moss Fan on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    @By Vikadan11 … stop trying to confuse the issue

    Berrian was thrown at 2x …. one was the play you are referring to and the other hit Berrian in the stomach

    I swear some of you must be doing dishes and changing diapers during the game BECAUSE YOU CLEARLY MISSED IT

  12. By DRS on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Butter finger Bernard Berrian needs to go, get Moss back! Ask Carter to come back from retirement. LOL. Get any living past Viking out of retirement; They cannot do any worse. LOL.

  13. By DRS on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    SKOL Vikings!!! Stop the losing if you want a new stadium! Here is an ideal, how about the players and coaches give up pay for ever game lost in the year, and pay back the fans for their poor performance.

  14. By Jeffbleedspurple on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    @Shawn: The focus is on the defense, because other than a few breaks by Peterson and the kick off return by Percy, the defense was the only bright spot in the game, minus the dumb mistakes at the end of the game, just like last year the defense did a fairly good job in keeping the game winnable.
    Nothing to say about McNabb and crew, T-joke what?

  15. By Shawn on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    @Jeffbleedspurple … I hear ya but for the organization to improve we need to identify weaknesses and fix them.

    If we only focus on our strengths we risk having the same weaknesses year after year ……

  16. By Shawn on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Berrian should not be starting after his performance … next man up

  17. By Twoodsnvikes on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Rye called it, Peterson is the man, but even the worst defenses will figure out a way to stop him when its completely predictable, run up the middle first down, run up the middle second down, panic on third down, punt

  18. By Rocksalt on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    there was some poor tackling and very little pressure on Rivers in 2nd half

  19. By DRS on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    This is from,

    But if a referendum is required for that option as well, there’s no point, because it won’t pass either.

    At that point, I can guarantee one thing: Vikings’ owner Zygi Wilf will be either moving his team to Los Angeles and the new stadium being built there, or selling the team to someone who will move it there.

    Frankly, if Koch and Zellers deep down believe avoiding tax increases of any kind, anywhere (and their recent track records suggest that they do) is more important than keeping the Vikings, you should just say so, and not hide behind a referendum.

  20. By Rocksalt on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    OK just what did our young D line learn? that they are merely average?

  21. By DRS on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Back to yesterday’s game, to open up the running game we need to have a passing game more then 5 to 10 yards. Get real, we need someone like Carter or moss that our opponents will respect.

  22. By Rocksalt on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Koch and Zellers prefer to hide cuz they are repugnantcants

  23. By Rocksalt on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    need an Oline, too……

  24. By Shawn on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    republicans suck

  25. By DRS on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    I am starting to think the Vikings are paid by the NFL to be a lower level team, or maybe a training team for all the other teams. Why is it year after year we get the same old thing from this team? Maybe one day they will be great but why is it we say next year? I p-r-a-y this is the year, but it is not looking good at this time, and I do not know if there will be a Minnesota Vikings next year, so I once more p-r-a-y for this to be the year.

  26. By Rojo on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    The problem with the receivers is that we need a true #1 receiver. Someone who has to always be accounted for. Jenkins could be a solid #2 and Harvin could work the slot. Perhaps they are waiting for Blackmon from Okla St.

  27. By Rocksalt on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    we need lots of things for this team to succeed……..

  28. By DRS on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Go Viking and win the rest of your games and get the new stadium now Minnesota or see our Vikings somewhere else like the Lakers.

  29. By DRS on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    I think this team can win if they had a team spirit and gave 100% all thru out the game, if they gave 100% thru out the game, if the coaches would call and adapt thru out the game, if everyone would stop acting like collage boys and became men on this team, maybe then we can win the rest of the games, then proving the Vikings deserve the new stadium.

  30. By DRS on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    This team can win! I saw that potential yesterday, If only they would live up to their talent and give 100% that is my point. My anger is seeing them just taking it easy, not putting out their best because they are pros and get their money win or lose. At least that is how I see it. I hate seeing them that can for whatever reason do not make an effort and get paid all that money. The question is; is the team the results of the players or is it the coaches that make the team what it is, or is it the owners?

  31. By DRS on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Bye for now, have a great day one and all.

  32. By Jimmy on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Berrian was thrown to maybe 3 times or less…that one drop wasn’t a easy catch with a hand in his face…don’t get upset over this game….chargers are too good of a team for the vikings right now, they’ll get better.

  33. By viking939 on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    I guess, in the case we win it all, everybody is going to say, “I told you”, even the guys, who predicted the worst case scenario, “the vikings are doomed”. I have no problem with people criticizing the vikings to analize, but please do it friendly. We are a Vikings fanbase and not a “hidden in the woods” fanbase like the pack. I personally thought we are better fanbase than the green and gold, but maybe I am wrong…………….?!

    Lets concentrate on smacking the pack?

  34. By Mike B on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Maybe we should have waited to see what Big Mac could have done. Check this: sounds like Big Mac had a good game against the Steelers.

  35. By Viking Joe on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Did you ever think that in the second half, the Vikings just were gassed and obviously predictable on offense, take your chances downfield, otherwise teams are going to load up the box with 8, to stop AP, it’s not rocket science !!!!!

  36. By viking939 on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Sorry I meant “analyze”, my English is bad at the moment..

  37. By Mike B on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Obviously one game with a chip on your shoulder doesn’t make a whole season and Frazier was trying to establish a focused attitude in the locker room. But if Big Mac ends up having a big year with the Ravens, Frazier is the one with muck on his face. We will have to see.

  38. By Moss Fan on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    @Jimmy … Berrian cant get open 3 times in a single game

    The ball hit him in the stomach only a handoff could of been easier but I think Berrian would drop a hand off

  39. By Frederick Jones on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    “It’s not who you play, but when you play them.”
    Bud Grant

  40. By Frederick Jones on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    A lot of the bloggers disagreed with me when I said we should have drafted an offensive lineman in the first round. Some even tried to poke fun at me.

    What do all you dudes think now???

    It’s still possible that we will do a lot better in these next two home games.

  41. By Frederick Jones on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Will someone please explain to me why the Vikings defensive linemen are not putting their hands up when rushing the passer!

  42. By animal26 on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    viking939: From what I saw of the Vikings in this game. We don’t stand a chance in heck against the packers. If we cant score, score, score on really good teams, then how do we expect to “smack the pack”? Because the way I see things right now, the packers will flat out destroy the vikings this year, which is heartbreaking to say, but it’s the truth

  43. By animal26 on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    If only we would have truly improved the offensive line, when the lockout ended. I think the Vikings would be in better shape, then they are now.

  44. By Frederick Jones on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Our offense would have been fine if we could have converted some of those first downs.

    What happened to the philosophy someone suggested, “If the receivers get open the offensive line will be able to hold their blocks long enough?”

    Where are ya nooowww, all knowing dudes?

  45. By Frederick Jones on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply


    The Vikings should have drafted Offensive Linemen in the 1st and 4th rounds.

    But you are right. We didn’t look for them after the lockout either.

    I do look for the Vikings to do well at home. We played a great game thru the 1st Half. The crowd will give us the energy to play four quarters.

    We as Viking fans hope that the coaches will work together with the players to improve our weaknesses.

    We have to have a little patience this year.

  46. By Frederick Jones on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Where are ya noooowww oh Locker, Newton, etc. fans?

    Do you see the value of an offensive line now???

  47. By Frederick Jones on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    What do all you young “ballers” think now???

  48. By drew on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    We mess up, during the free agency, we should have gotten a few decent offensive linemen, paided money and got a great corner. Spent a little more and got better receivers, Berriman should have been released years ago. No go to guy! Oh well, that why we the Vikings!!!!!!

  49. By Shawn on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    @Fred … I agree


  50. By Mike B on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Already gave you your due there Fred. We may have gotten ahead of ourselves with BigMac though.

  51. By viking939 on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    I totally agree on Frazier’s press conference. He stays calm, positive, doesn’t smack the players and seems to be a great motivator. He really deserves a third ring on his finger, as a head coach. The overall cosictency has to get better though…

  52. By Shawn on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Fred Jones

  53. By Jimmy on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Don’t get so down after one game…Vikes will bounce back…Chargers are a good team.

  54. By Carl K on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Joe Berger started 20 games for the Dolphins. He was drafted in the sixth round in 2005 and can play multiple positions on the oline.

    I am not sure what this means?

  55. By Shawn on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    @Carl … I think it means we upgraded the back up Center position so much our starter needs to git r done or ride the pine ….

  56. By viking939 on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Fusco and Love could both be great. Matt Birk also was a sixth round pick by the vikes and is now the starting center for the ravens… just saying…

  57. By Carl K on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Why did we keep Cooper over guys like Chris DeGeare, Ryan Cook and Seth Olsen then cut Cooper for Joe Berger???

  58. By Carl K on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    I say give Fusco a shot.

  59. By Carl K on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Shawn – you might be right about Sully. I am sure Berger is an upgrade over Cooper, but I can’t see him being much of an upgrade over Sully?

  60. By Erik the Red on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Please, everyone don’t give up yet, honestly, its one game of 16, just put a little more hope in this team, wait for Kevin Williams to get back, maybe next week we can win and set things even

  61. By Carl K on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    It just seems like an odd move at an odd time. I guess I am just ready to see the Fusco Ponder era begin.

  62. By Matthias (viking939) on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Well, the Lions and Bears showed great defence and ok offense. The Packers defence looked awful and allowed way to many yards, but their passing game looked great… Every team on our plan is beatable and if Stafford, Rodgers or Cutler get injured our rivals will be peanuts. I am very optimistic for a good season, maybe a wild card spot… We will see….

  63. By VegasVike on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    There is NO WAY F4VRE would have let that game slip away… Bring em back!!

  64. By Shawn on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Carl … I agree keeping Cooper over RCook was odd. RCook is a Dolphin now. Of course I find it odd we kept Sullivan over RCook …

    O well I chalk it up to Frazier knows more than me and he is working on the problem

  65. By VegasVike on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    True Shawn, we have to have faith in Les

  66. By Marcus on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    The Vikes have alot of A++ Plus players.. Allen, Harvin, Peterson, Greenway, Hutchinson, Winfeild, Longwell and Kiluwe…. The problem is when we have a “D minus” quarterback the whole team is subject to be worth a “C to C minus” team.. If Minnesota is going to be subjected to be a mediocre team this year WHY NOT GIVE WEBB OR PONDER A CHANCE TO DEVELOP AS NFL QB’s??? We are wasting away our future in order to cater to yesterday’s dinosaurs.. I see yet ANOTHER QB revolving door.. The Vikes do this Over and Over and Over again and we as fans all sit here wondering why we NEVER have a good QB… If we can be patient and sacrifice two or three seasons to develop a worthy QB and give our new coach a Freakin’ break maybe in 3 seasons the Vikes can have a team that will acheive the ultimate mythical Super Bowl Ring that Minnesota deserves SO BADLY…

  67. By Troy Williamson on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    How many more ba’lls will Berrian be allowed to drop?

  68. By Carl K on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Shawn- I agree, I trust Frazier’s judgement over mine. I just hope all our coaches and scouts are all on the same page. It just seems like they are not all in agreement. The Vikings gave Ryan Cook a 2nd round tender at the end of last season. They signed him to a new contract (higher than Cooper). Than cut Ryan in favor of Cooper. Than cut Cooper in favor of Berger, who Ryan Cook beat out for a roster spot in Miami. I don’t get it? Something just doesn’t seem right? Who am I? I am just a fan!

  69. By DitzyVike on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    When rumors started last yr. that McNabb could be a fit for Vikes, I was screaming noooooooooooooooooooooo! To see he only had 39 yds. passing, I’m still screaming noooooooooooooooooo! Who in their right mind thought he would be a good fit. Sooner or later, we’re gonna have to bite the bullet and give a younger QB the reins. What,are we just going to keep picking up QBs that other teams discard for the rest of the franchise’s history.
    Then, I watch the coach give his we just have to execute better speech. Really!!!!!! Does that really have to be said at this level? Execution of blocking,catching the ball, & learning how to tackle. Nothing burns me up more than the player is in position to make the tackle & fails to do so.
    How about we get less predictable on offense and open up the playbook, or is McNabb still in a fog? Maybe his 2 previous coaches did know what they were doing when they let him go.
    I love my Vikes, but hearing the coach talking about learning to execute is a little disconcerting!

  70. By TW VIKE on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Favre could throw for 39 yards from his wheel chair in one quarter. Let us take our ups & downs with Webb, at least he wants to play.

  71. By VegasVike on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Wheel chair lol

  72. By GM on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Randy Moss would have puked all over the San Diego guest locker room…

  73. By martin on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    i cant see this team winning more than 2 games on the road and even that may be tough….i would not be suprised that at the end of the year we will set a franchise record for fewest passing yards (especially on the road)…right now we have a vikings team that will not win games because they are just a better team than the opposition…they will win by turnovers and other team mistakes that is why 6-8 wins is the most we can expect and for that we will need a lot of breaks…

  74. By VegasVike on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    GM, get it right man, it’s “vomited” not “puked”

  75. By Don on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    i mean whats up with the play calling is what i wanna on 1st and 2nd and then 3rd and long..come on now open up the play book please..

  76. By vikefan1969 on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    For the folks wanting to Sign ALL these GREAT Oline men and other FA’s…where do you suppose they might have gotten the money to do this?…you do recall the Vikes were over the cap.
    Give this new Staff and OC/DC sometime in this shortened off season.

  77. By Mike B. on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    I just listed to Coaches press conference and it is what I expected He’s too classy to point fingers, but he did sugar coat some very poor play. The chargers are not that good. The AFC west is not a power house of that division. Come on Man

  78. By Mike B. on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply


  79. By Don on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    @mike b i just listened too..and i would say he kinda beat around the bush..on that one..lets keep it real we ran ok..i don’t care what the ave. was..if where running on 1st and 2nd for a total of 3 yards why keep doing it..can we throw sometimes on asked me i didnt like the play calling going into half time

  80. By Titus on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Hey I want to go to school and get paid a few million to learn. Pay me for every mistake and then write a great article how well everyone played. Time to be realistic in evaluation and fix this thing– we cannot afford to lose more than two more games before the bye.

  81. By Titus on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Learning Opportunity– you are suppose to have the degree before they hire you.

  82. By purplerainman on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    This isn’t a division you can win at 10-6 anymore. It will take 13 to 14 wins to win it. Not to mention that it might take 10-6 or 11-5 just to grab a wild card in the NFC. I feel like yesterday’s game is a game that we could have won, I feel it was a game we could have made a statement with. It is extremely tough to watch a team that is so talented go through a rebuilding process while guys like Peterson, Greenway, Windfield, Harvin, Berrian, Allen and others are in their prime. We really need to figure out what we’re doing here. On offense, if we are playing to player’s strengths; than McNabb should be throwing mid to deep routes 10 to 20 times a game. Peterson should be getting 25-30 carries a game. I probably speak for all fans in saying that watching the 3 and outs yesterday gave me flashbacks of last years struggling offense and without a spark on offense this year I think you will see a lot of highlights for opposing teams. I hope we can pull it together for the next 15 and give the fans here in Minnesota something to be excited about. The Wilf’s are really doing everything they can for this team. It would be neat to see the players give something back also.

  83. By Carl K on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    vikefan1969- It is a little too late now to sign a great offensive lineman.
    We spent 7 million on McNabb after drafting a QB in the first round. I would have invested that money on a couple mean and nasty run blocking OL guys.

    Ponder and Webb both can complete 6 p@sses for 39 yards. C’mon man.

    Frederick, I am with you! You know I would have taken Harvey Dahl or just about any top OL over McNabb.

    Yes, fans have a right to question those moves! Stand strong Frederick!

  84. By Mike B. on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    @purpleman what you talking about GB won the superbowl as a wild card with a 10-6 reoord. that was last year

  85. By Titus on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Carl K– great quotes by Denny, but I was replying to your comment– you must have forgotten the most infamous one/

  86. By Carl K on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    what is it?

  87. By Titus on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    You said you were crying all day…

  88. By VegasVike on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    The only quote by a Denny thay I know is “THE BEARS ARE WHOCWE THOUGHT THEY WERE!!”

  89. By Titus on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    That is a good one VegasVike.

  90. By Carl K on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    That is right, I forgot.
    Denny was a great motivator. He also once said, “the secret of success is to start from s c r a t c h and keep s c r a t c h i n g.

  91. By VegasVike on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Sorry about the typos

  92. By Titus on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Carl, come on, you already mentioned that quote. The one you reminded me of based on your crying all day:

    Remember the title of his book….

  93. By CA_Viking_fan on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Everyone is pretty much ripping the players who deserve to be ripped, but what’s up with our Offensive Cordinator? Good job!

  94. By Carl K on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    No room for crybabies! I need to read that book.

  95. By Titus on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Yeah, we all do, Carl, the whole modernized world does.

  96. By Carl K on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Don’t tell me you helped him write that book?

  97. By Titus on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    No, Carl, in fact I have never read it. I wonder if it is worthwhile.

  98. By Carl K on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Titus, you kill me! You wrote that book. You are Gene McGivern. Can you send me an autograph copy of No Room for Crybabies?

  99. By VegasVike on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    I read the book, it’s not what you thought it was.

  100. By Mike B. on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    I guess I expected some emotion from Frazier this was an embarrassing loss. Second half was awful. Let the Chargers back in the game. That’s as real as it gets.

  101. By Titus on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    VegasVike, you are right– I found the book in the library system and just read the summary– not what I thought. Seems focused on the struggle of African Americans and all the obstacles Green faced. Looks like a civil rights book.

  102. By Titus on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Mike, Frazier looked like he was steaming on the sideline after those late game penalties– he was nearly breaking his teeth, but he remained composed– but you could tell how angry he was– after all, the D is his forte.

  103. By Arrow86 on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    AT former Vikings fans I remind you of the line by the drill seargeant in the movie STRIPES. “Lighten up, Francis!” I don’t care if McNabb threw for 666 yards and we lost by 7. Cam Newton threw for 5 miles Sunday, and his team is 0-1. The point is that the only stat is that they lost. I think some are getting too quick to look past the positives of the game. Did anyone notice when Chris Cook didn’t bite on the out and up, and prevented Floyd from getting to the ball in the end zone. One of the few times Rivers tried to go deep.

    Maybe it’s because the Packers, Bears, and Lions, all won their games in week 1. Be realistic. This is the best division in football right now. Our opponent yesterday is always a good team, and they upgraded on defense, and have a top notch quarterback in Rivers. We’re a game back with 6 games remaining in the division and 9 other games to make up the difference.

  104. By Titus on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Yep, Arrow you are right. My new prediction for the season: 15-1.

  105. By kdog on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Berrian and Jenkins are not going to help us win games thats just how it is.

  106. By kdog on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    You cant win when your outside recievers are no threat to score what so ever.

  107. By Rye on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    When the offense stayed on the field in the first half, the defense looked REALLY GOOD.

    When the offense couldn’t get a first down in the second half, the defense faded away.

    Have faith vikings fans. If the Vikings can fix the offense, the defense will be better than people thought.

  108. By Justin F on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Only way the Defense will be better if if THEY DON”T SPEND 1 FULL QUARTER ON THE FIELD. They got tired out becuase the offense couldn’t produce anything. That’s a great way of getting players injured.

  109. By Big Sky on Sep 12, 2011 | Reply

    Tom Brady just threw for 478 *MORE* yards than McNabb did this weekend. Way to go Donovan!

    Anyhow, I think the best receiver award for the Vikings on Sunday should go to Jared Allen! That was a sweet catch. His hard work ethic and passion for the game shows me every game why he is my favorite player.

    I am truly looking forward to next weeks game against the Bucs.

    Go Vikings!

  110. By Matthias on Sep 13, 2011 | Reply

    I can’t wait for Sunday night!

  111. By Matthias on Sep 13, 2011 | Reply

    Brady is a future hall of famer…. You can’t compare him with McNabb. He is the patriots face, like Peterson is the vikings face. Even though, he would be killed behind our O-line…. McNabb will be fine with a better overall team chemistry. I believe Frazier knows what he is doing and McNabb has something to prove now.

  112. By sandiamond on Sep 13, 2011 | Reply

    Rocksalt please crawl back in ur hole till sunday. Never seen anyone continue bash posting this way

  113. By sandiamond on Sep 13, 2011 | Reply

    C Jon Cooper cut yesterday. Fans wanted an overhaul and we are getting it! Lard McKinnie feature article usa today with baltimore. just more pain to read as the vikings continue this journey with Frazier

  114. By sandiamond on Sep 13, 2011 | Reply

    QB David Garrard talking with three teams and hopes to sign this week. Not likely the vikes but signing Garrad and putting Webb on the practice squad would really stir things up around here!! hehe

  115. By Rocksalt on Sep 13, 2011 | Reply

    shut the h3ll up

  116. By ozzinator on Sep 13, 2011 | Reply

    Did you just get a tax cut? Why are you so crabby this morning?

  117. By Titus on Sep 13, 2011 | Reply

    Even Titus was complaining– come on, this was an embarrassment. But let’s move forward. All teams will lose— look at KC, they got beat at home– 41-7 by the Bills-
    It will come together.

  118. By Carl K on Sep 13, 2011 | Reply

    With 3:10 to go in the game… San Diego kicked off after a score. My question is why was Percy Harvin NOT in the game to return the kick???

    If Musgrave is only going to use Harvin 6 times a game in our offense… then we need to allow him the opportunity to return kicks in game changing moments. C’mon Frazier! Play the game to win!

  119. By Carl K on Sep 13, 2011 | Reply

    Frazier- your team will feed off of your attitude and desire to win!

  120. By Conor on Sep 13, 2011 | Reply


  121. By Carl K on Sep 13, 2011 | Reply

    Football is a sport where players can get hurt. I understand that a coach wants to protect his team from injury and put them in the best position to succeed. But when your fear of getting hurt or making a mistake over rides your desire to actively pursue being the best that you can be… than I have a problem with that.

  122. By sandiamond on Sep 13, 2011 | Reply

    good news! no real injuries from sunday’s game. Take a look at the schedule we are basically done with the afc. no pats,steelers,ravens, etc only lowly kc,oakland, and denver left

  123. By Robins on Sep 13, 2011 | Reply

    Get rid of McLoser. We wanted a winner so we brought in Ponder. All McLoser can teach Ponder and Webb is what to do to lose.

  124. By CanadianVikesFan on Sep 13, 2011 | Reply

    I wasn’t sure what to expect from our team in that first game. Have to say, that one hurt. The O-Line isn’t any better than last year so far. As for people blaming Adrian for lack of yards, c’mon people, the Chargers any anyone else even watching that game could tell when Adrian was gonna get the ball. How is that his fault? Berrian looks the same as last year. That can’t be a surprise to any Vikings fan. I liked what I saw from Toby. He is becoming a good solid back. Lack of O-Line help and play predictability was the only reason for our lack of yards on the ground. As for lack of passing yards, well, that’s gonna take an awful lot to overcome and correct anytime soon. I would love to see Joe Webb have a start or two just to see if the problem lies with McNabb or if it is all about the O-Line issues.

  125. By Ellie on Sep 13, 2011 | Reply

    Jarad Allen has the right ATTITUDE !!! He is a Winner!!! Would like to see what Ponder can do…(Even Webb) can’t be worse. Lets face it, Donavan Mc Nabb was a Great QB in his prime..But it is time for retirement…He got lots of points for me for many years…(he is NOT Tom Brady but not many Tom Brady’s around!!) 34 points in one game??? Welker with 28??? Lets try one of the younger guys to see what we can find!!!

  126. By GMan on Sep 13, 2011 | Reply

    Berrian likes to take it in the poop shute

  127. By CA Norwegian on Sep 13, 2011 | Reply

    I feel all your pain. It looks like there are some things that are hard to argue with and change in this world. The way the team is composed, we all saw and wished and blogged what we wanted. This was not it. This is like re-running a bad program. It reminds me of the worst ‘X-files’ episode ever, that ends in, “It’s hard to keep a Peterson down.” And a family pacikn’ up and leavin’ town. Let us hope for something more in this story.

  128. By CA Norwegian on Sep 13, 2011 | Reply

    Now if the coaches are going to stand by their word and put the best players out there. Then they need to pull BB onto the bench and put in another… I have been arguing for Webb. He needs to be on the field in a way that does not broadcast QB draw. He is a winner. I think he could win a jump ball for a 1st down on a sideline/fade, or drop back take a lateral then have a run/pass option. Or take a quick slant and jump over a would be tackler. Or take or fake a reverse from AP. I realize that he cannot learn another whole position, but without good blocking, just throw out the schemes… Put the best street ball players out there, because the leaking line makes all the schemes wothless and Defenses are going to consume most of the best laid plans.

  129. By Rocksalt on Sep 13, 2011 | Reply

    shut the h3ll up……….

  130. By Frederick Jones on Sep 13, 2011 | Reply


    Thank you for the article about Joe Berger. Maybe Frazier has had his eye on the OL from the beginning, but was powerless to act.

    Adding Joe Berger could fire up Sullivan and Herrera.

  131. By Frederick Jones on Sep 13, 2011 | Reply

    @Carl K,

    I know that you were always for improvement in the offensive line as one of our highest priorities.

    I have to admit, I may have been too optimistic about our wide receivers. But it is too early to say that because the QB has not had much of a chance to throw!

  132. By vlad19 on Sep 15, 2011 | Reply

    Couple points – I saw Balt-Pitt game and yes, “Lay-Z-Boy” McKinnie had a great game. He was motivated and lean (relatively speaking)
    This, my friends does not mean Frazier was wrong, it means he was RIGHT – McKinnie had as bad a season as a man can have last year. He grew comfortable in his lack of performance, in his slack attitude (remember he got kicked off the Pro-Bowl team for NOT attending practices the year before – you think this malingering goes away? It is what he is about).
    However, the man is a competitor enough that he sees the challenge of getting waived for being fat and lazy, and he is inspired now – that is what has happened. Frazier NEEDED to establish a consequence based leadership, UNLIKE Poindexter (childress) had. We would have had Lay-Z-Boy at his horrible worst – comes into camp almost 30 lbs overweight…. you kidding me? He was NOT going to work until he almost worked himself out of pro football.

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