CB Cedric Griffin May Get A Look On Saturday; Harvin Update

Posted by Mike Wobschall on August 18, 2011 – 6:17 am

The Vikings had a “good, spirited” practice on Wednesday at Winter Park, according to Head Coach Leslie Frazier. The team worked out in full pads and under ideal conditions as they continue preparations for this Saturday’s preseason game in Seattle.

Frazier pointed out that Wednesday’s practice included periods where the team worked in backed-up, two-minute, goal line and short-yardage situations.

But right now the main issues for the Vikings revolve around some minor injuries and how playing time for the second preseason game will be distributed. Several players have missed a practice or two this week coming off of last weekend’s preseason opener, but the good news is the team isn’t dealing with any major injuries.

“The further you get along,” Frazier said of training camp, “you’re going to have some bumps and bruises and fortunately for us, we haven’t had any major issues. There’s nothing more than muscle pulls or strains and you’ll get through those in time.”

The highest-profile player to miss time so far has been WR Percy Harvin, who has a mild rib injury and has missed most of practice over the past two days. Frazier indicated that Harvin is fine but that the team is being careful. In fact, it wouldn’t be a surprise if Harvin was held out of Saturday’s game to ensure that he fully heals. His role on the team is pretty well-defined, so it might actually be more beneficial to have him sit than to have him play, largely so the coaching staff can get a look at other players behind Harvin on the depth chart.

A guy who has looked great in training camp but who didn’t make it onto the field last weekend is CB Cedric Griffin. He’s coming back from a knee injury that ended his 2010 season early and it sounds like he might get on the field for a few minutes on Saturday night in Seattle.

“At least a series,” Frazier said when asked how much Griffin might play on Saturday. “That’s where we’re thinking right now. We’ll see how he does tomorrow (Thursday) in practice, how he finishes and if he finishes fine we may try to get him a series.”

As questionable as the secondary looked last weekend, keep in mind that the team’s two best CBs (Griffin and Antoine Winfield) didn’t play. It seems only fair that Griffin and Winfield be allowed on the field before an iron-clad judgment can be cast on the progress of the secondary from the end of last season to the beginning of this season.

Speaking of the Vikings secondary, there’s another guy who didn’t get on the field last weekend but who has been having a superb camp. It’s rookie S Mistral Raymond, and he was held out last weekend because he tweaked his hamstring on the final play of the Mankato version of training camp.

Raymond is an impressive-looking athlete at the safety position. He has good size (6-1, 194 pounds) but also has the agility, quickness and speed you look for in a starting NFL DB. Raymond actually played some CB in college, so it’ll be interesting to see if he has the combination of aggressiveness and coverage ability you look for in an NFL safety.

“He’s a guy we’re anxious to take a look at in a game situation but we feel pretty good about his athleticism and how well he’s picked up things on defense,” Frazier said of Raymond. “Now it’s a matter of how he plays against other opponents but we’re looking forward to watching him play.”

Vikings fans should be, too. With questionable play at times over the last couple of seasons at safety, Raymond is one of a few players with an eye on a starting job in the Vikings secondary. The competition at safety, specifically, is thick and I think it will yield positive results for the Vikings defense.

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42 Responses to “CB Cedric Griffin May Get A Look On Saturday; Harvin Update”

  1. By Dave on Aug 18, 2011 | Reply

    I hope Raymond yields positive. I feel like last week, if we had even a halfway decent secondary that locker TD could have been avoided. I think we will have a good season, better than last year at least. Cant wait for this next game. #32!!!!!!!!!

  2. By Paul M on Aug 18, 2011 | Reply



  3. By celticvikingwarrior on Aug 18, 2011 | Reply

    Glad to hear we might get a look at Griffin and especially Mistral Raymond, he was one of my 3 potentially great “project pick’s” this year, alomg with WR–Andre Homes and Dominic Johnson (4th was C-Brandon Fusco).
    Hate to be a “told you so” guy, but…Ryan Mallett who was drafted by not only the best coach but the best talent evaluater, is a STAR in the making and far and away the best QB coming out…but got taken down because of “off the field” B.S. which consisted of ONE episode of EITHER underage drinking, or doing so in public, at 18 YEAR’S OLD…If you’re 18 and HAVN’T had a beer in public you’ve got much bigger problem’s. I KNOW how to fix this team, and fast….I will go into depth later, but a MAJOR part of it involves the aquasition of Stanford QB Andrew Luck next draft. Ponder and Webb could be GOOD to VERY GOOD QB’S, and I think they will be, especially Pomder, in part due to more opportunities, confidence etc. Webb needs ALOT of work on confidence and basic fundamental’s of the position…I would LOVE to see him sit behind “LUCK” for 3 year’s !!!!! Luck i EASILY the BEST QB PROSPECT OF THE LAST 50 YEAR’S…YES THAT INCLUDES PEYTON MANNING, YA I SAID IT !!!!!!!!!!!

  4. By celticvikingwarrior on Aug 18, 2011 | Reply

    We don’t need good to very good QB’s (POTENTIALLY) we need, and are LONG OVERDUE for GREAT QB….more on how to fix later….

  5. By vikings4life on Aug 18, 2011 | Reply

    Vikings need to put some points on the board, get some huge gains attack quit playing to the opponents advantage. Throw it deep, we are not going to win many games not scoring much this defense is not a shutdown defense. Its funny how the vikings think they are a shutdown defense to just pound the ball and kill the clock. What happens when other teams rack up points that gameplan is doomed because than the vikings are not a good offensive team to keep up in the air attack.

  6. By Frederick Jones on Aug 18, 2011 | Reply


    Matt Leinart, John David Booty, John Huarte, and dozens of other promising QBs have came and went over the years.

    Brian Billick, Coach of a Super Bowl Champion team, said it best, “When it comes to picking a QB, nobody knows anything.

    In addition, Kurt Warner stated that for a QB to make it in the NFL, he must have the unusual ability to act in a very small window of time, to what he sees happening on the field.

    Ponder may be smart, but we don’t know if he has this ability.
    Webb may be able to throw the ball further than any NFL QB, and be able
    to leap tall buildings in a single bound, but we don’t know if he has the “it” Warner was talking about.

    Obviously McNabb has it, having won his way to 5 NFC Championship games.

    Luck may be a Lucky pick, but risking the entire franchise on him, is very risky!

  7. By Frederick Jones on Aug 18, 2011 | Reply


    Perhaps you have played a lot of football, and know that football is a TEAM game. If that’s true do not take my blogs too seriously.

    Andre Ware, DeMarcus Russell, and the dude drafted one pick behind Peyton Manning are other recent notable QBs who could not make it in the NFL.

    I am sure that the Vikings coaching staff knows who Andrew Luck is and of his abilities. He was on a recent cover of ESPN magazine. He has unusual talent. So did Russell, Ware, and a host of other people.

    You may be completely right about Luck. But if you are not, the Vikings have a lot to lose by trading up to get him.

    It’s possible that Archie Manning was as good as his sons are right now. He never played on an NFL team that finished above .500 (except for his last year, which was with the Vikings, and he sat on the bench).

  8. By Carl K on Aug 18, 2011 | Reply

    @ Mike Wobschall – If Herrera plays … will we get a chance to see DeGeare play RT any? Loadholt played LT at Oklahoma, and in 2008 he only gave up 2 sacks in 438 pass plays. Any chance that Loadholt might get a few snaps at LT?

  9. By Frederick Jones on Aug 18, 2011 | Reply


    Ryan Leaf was the former Charger QB drafted one pick behind Peyton Manning.

    Many thought Leaf was a better prospect than Manning. His NFL stats were horrible, and he played maybe 3 season.

    Mallet is still a prospect. Belichick wins because he has good players. Don’t forget that.

  10. By Brandon on Aug 18, 2011 | Reply

    @Frederick Jones, who is DeMarcus Russell?

  11. By Parody on Aug 18, 2011 | Reply

    I just learned that the Seahawks are planning to play ALL of their starters for at least the entire first half. I’m not sure what the Vikings’ plan is, but I have the impression that starters will be pulled a bit sooner than that. So don’t be too surprised if Seattle puts up a few points against us late in the half. No player outside the Vikings organization knows our defense better than Jackson, which means that he’ll get some good chances at hitting Sidney Rice for big gains, especially when the second stringers begin to step in.

    On the other side of it, I’m sure that a lot of our starters are eager to rattle Jackson’s cage a bit after going 5-years of tapping him on the shoulder during practice.

  12. By Frederick Jones on Aug 18, 2011 | Reply

    A few have made fun of Les Steckel, the e s t e e m e d Vikings Head Coach of the 1984 season. Here is a short biographical sketch:

    Steckel was immediately hired by the N.E. Patriots from 1985-88
    Cleveland Browns 1989
    University of Colorado 1991-92
    Denver Broncos 1993-94
    Houston Oilers/Tennesee Titans 1993-99
    (lost in the c l o s e s t Super Bowl in NFL history after 1999 season)
    Tampa Bay Buccaneers 2000
    Coached son’s HS football team to Tennesee state title in his only year there.
    Buffalo Bills 2003
    Current President of the Fellowship of C h r i s t i a n Athletes
    Steckel was a long-time member of the FCA

    Steckel was a marine, and served in Vietnam during the war.
    He graduated from college with a triple degree in social work/human relations and political science.

  13. By Frederick Jones on Aug 18, 2011 | Reply

    According to a former assistant coach, who I talked to, there were two veteran players who helped the Vikings lose Steckel.

    These veterans (former super stars/pro bowlers/ and “skill” position players) left games early, and ran up huge hotel bills to the Vikings.

    Steckel wanted to kick these players off the team. However the GM would not allow it.

    After that the Vikings were never in a game the rest of the season. (If you want you can check the record, the Vikings had several very close games early in the 1984 season.)

    Unlike Belichick, Steckel never got a chance to become a Head Coach in the NFL again. (Belichick’s father was a famous NFL assistant for many years, obviously Steckel’s father was not.)

  14. By Frederick Jones on Aug 18, 2011 | Reply


    DeMarcus Russell was picked #1 in the entire draft a few years ago by the LA/Oakland Raiders.

    Russell is about 6’5″ 260′, and was highly rated out of LSU.

    He was released by the Raiders after last season. I have not heard about him since.

  15. By Frederick Jones on Aug 18, 2011 | Reply


    Actually his name is JaMarcus Russell.

    He was listed at 6’5 1/2″ 265′ at the pre-draft workout.
    He is was last listed at 6’6″ 315′

    That’s a BIG quarterback.

    He was released by the Raiders in May 2009.

    Currently he is a Free Agent who refused to play in the CFL, UFL, or AFL.

  16. By CA Norwegian on Aug 18, 2011 | Reply

    @ Sir Frederick

    The real big thing here was that Russell’s rookie paycheck. It became his retirement… And he was never motivated to do the work to
    become a great QB. It made for a lousy locker room and must have been included in the recent negotiations for changing things up in this business.

    The whole mentality that celticvikingwarrior expressed is one of the problems with what we have been dealing with, crowning the winner, before they are out of the gate or even into it. Sure Vince Young was the superior player in the Rosebowl. USC had noi answer to stop him. But the pro’s did. College is not always the measure.

  17. By Mike B. on Aug 18, 2011 | Reply

    Rice is saying the Vikings didn’t make a deal with him. Is this fact or hype? Mike W can you confirm or deny this story.

  18. By sandiamond on Aug 18, 2011 | Reply

    re: frazier’s presser

    possible that no FB spot on the roster and we will just use a tight end

    #4 and #5 wide receiver spots open. We have a good bunch of receivers and some will have to be cut, darn ( no room for Moss on this team after all the hoopla earlier)

  19. By Mike Wobschall on Aug 18, 2011 | Reply

    Won’t confirm or deny what Rice said; it doesn’t matter, anyway. He chose to leave and I wish him the best of luck. Was always good to me and is a guy with a lot of potential. The Vikings offense will be able to move on without him, though. I’m sure of it.

  20. By sandiamond on Aug 18, 2011 | Reply

    let ‘s move on and forget rice imo. Vikes offense is loaded this year

  21. By xvike on Aug 18, 2011 | Reply

    I wouldn’t be concerned with seatle playing their starters for one whole half. I watched seattle play last week and i have to say, i wasn’t impressed with the starters. Tjack looked like the same old tjack to me.Check downs, missing recievers, playing very conservative, etc. Yeah i wouldn’t be concerned…. I thought whitehurst did a better job.

  22. By Frederick Jones on Aug 18, 2011 | Reply

    @CA Norwegian,

    Yes, the young man is enthusiastic with what he has seen of Luck. He may be right, but to spend money and draft picks on him at this point would be a bit unrealistic.

    CelticWarrior could keep us up to date on the Andrew Luck sweepstakes!

  23. By Frederick Jones on Aug 18, 2011 | Reply

    Mike B.,

    That’s a good question about Rice claiming not to have received an offer from the Vikings.

    I wonder if he meant just that they wouldn’t improve upon Seattle’s offer.

  24. By Frederick Jones on Aug 18, 2011 | Reply


    I hope you are right about Seattle being not so hot. It’s nice to hear it.

    If that’s truly the case, then the Vikings should stomp them in this pre-season game!

  25. By Rocksalt on Aug 18, 2011 | Reply

    Let’s go, Cedric! We need you!

  26. By campfrazier on Aug 18, 2011 | Reply


  27. By tru-speed on Aug 18, 2011 | Reply

    more than EVER do we need Cedric!

  28. By Frederick Jones on Aug 18, 2011 | Reply


  29. By OLD SCHOOL on Aug 18, 2011 | Reply

    Hey…it’s tru-speed……………………..the “True Fan” !

  30. By OLD SCHOOL on Aug 18, 2011 | Reply

    Am I allowed to post tonight or is this another tru-speed/Frederick Jones “The Vikes are unstoppable” type night………….The Vikes are going to win the Division and go 12-4 or 11-5 type discussion?

  31. By OLD SCHOOL on Aug 18, 2011 | Reply

    I think the biggest lose we had on this team in the off-season was Ray Edwards.

    It will interesting to see how the D-Line handles that lose and how J. Allen handles it. That D-Line needs to return to the disruptive line they were in 09 for this team (“D”) to have a chance this year. They have to make up for the lack of a Secondary!

  32. By Frederick Jones on Aug 18, 2011 | Reply

    @Old School,

    Hey, I look forward to your postings!!!

  33. By OLD SCHOOL on Aug 18, 2011 | Reply

    Frederick……..I think the difference between you and I, Rocksalt for example may just be our age…………………..I’m growing tired of seeing this team and the same old issues and I’m running out of years ….waiting for just 1 SuperBowl Victory!


    I really would love to come on here and have nothing to write but positives!

    Really I would!

  34. By Rocksalt on Aug 18, 2011 | Reply

    Old School!
    We want PROOF……..The team needs to show us they are capable of greatness……heck I’ll just settle for capable……..

  35. By Rocksalt on Aug 18, 2011 | Reply

    Also, I would like to see BRAD CHILDRESS”S name off the WEBSITE! C’MON, MAN!

  36. By Arrow86 on Aug 18, 2011 | Reply


    The information on Les Steckel was interesting. If I remember correct. He allowed the Vikes to wear white shoes for the first time. But, he ran one of the most gruelling, physically challenging, training camps in Viking history. If I remember correct Bellichek tried to clean up the Browns, and everyone thought he was through. Things worked okay after all.

  37. By Old School on Aug 19, 2011 | Reply

    P. Harvin not being available is getting old…… real quick!

    We can’t have this on and off again type relationship when he is such a big part of the “O”!

    We need him to be there every game this season!

  38. By celticvikingwarrior on Aug 19, 2011 | Reply

    @ “Frederick”

  39. By celticvikingwarrior on Aug 19, 2011 | Reply

    Excuse me, @ “Frederick” and CA Norweign: First of all I am FAR FROM a “young man”, and no where in my comment’s did I advocate giving up a SINGLE DRAFT PICK to move up to obtain A.Luck. Just as an example there is a current DE who’s salary FAR OUTPAY’S his production….
    As far as mentioning (comparing) LEINART, BOOTY HAURTE, LEIF, “JA”MARCUS RUSSELL, Young, et al: is BEYOND ABSOLUTRLY LUDICROUS !!!!!
    And all though I admire Brian Billick for his intelligence and the skill set he has, he is, was, an offensive coordinator, NOT a talent evaluator….
    There is FAR MORE to evaluating a player, ESPECIALLY A QB, than stats and measurables. Such as intelligrnce and ability to process information very quickly, to be able to read defences , LEADERSHIP, ability to communicate, to get those around you to play at their absolute best at all times, to EARN respect, to feel “pressure” even when you can’t see it, PROFESSIONALISM, and on, and, and on…..
    Of the QB’s you mentioned, Linehart was the ONLY one I thought MIGHT have a “CHANCE”, and that was if he was willing to sacrafice, to put in the work, the only way to determine that is through interaction, obviously he didn’t have the desire, except to party, and fo celebrity. ALL the others I KNEW did NOT have IT and would NEVER have drafted ANY OF THEM !!!!
    The ONE i KNEW HAD IT was Tom Brady. All it took was one game, against the “GOPHER’S” as “LUCK” would have it. Michigan was down, I believe 28-3 (maybe 31-3) going into the 4th qtr, and he brought them back to win, and made it look easy, granted it was the gopher’s, but still, it was HOW he did it as much as that he did it… I was absolutely ASTONISHED he lasted until the 6th RD, and was FURIOUS the Vikes passed time and again….
    Bill Billichek “win’s with good player’s”. WOW, THERE’S A REVELATION….how do you think they become good ????? 1) He is a great judge of talent 2) He is a great teacher 3) He get’s the ABSOLUTE MOST out of all level’s of talent at his disposal 4) He EARN’S their respect, and so on. There is a reason (multiple actually) they draft near the end of the round each year (with their pick’s) and there is also a reason he is able to move all over the draft board year in and year out. Much like Jimmy Johnson did for, UGH, dallASS, at OUR EXPENSE thank’s to the Herschel Walker FIASCO…
    The point is I am WELL AWARE of the intangibles, and what to look for, and “LUCK” has them ALL !!!! The intellidence, the drive and desire to be, the best, the respect for the game, the HUMILITY to know that he can ALWAY’S do more to improve, and to treat people with common decency even if they may not deserve it, etc. etc. Luck would have EASILY been the # 1 pick this year but chose to return and graduate, even though he KNEW his team was greatly depleted, and his coach was bailing, but he was NOT GOING TO BAIL ON HIS TEAM, cause that’s NOT WHO HE IS !!!! ALL the clown’s you mentioned were either out for # 1 or simply not talented enough, among other thing’s—AND IT WAS EASY TO SEE. I realize that because “Luck” play’s out west you may not get to see him much…but mark it, he WILL BE GREAT !!!!!!!!

  40. By Troy on Aug 19, 2011 | Reply

    Mike,In your opinion do the vikings have any playmakers on defence.If so name them.I personally dont enough speed and or playmakers on the defence.

  41. By Troy on Aug 19, 2011 | Reply

    In my last post i meant to say that i personally dont see enough speed and or playmakers on defence.

  42. By shady on Aug 20, 2011 | Reply

    mistral raymond is going to be a good add to the team. When the vikings drafted him I went and youtube him and he showed some agressiveness.

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