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MN Native Chris Weinke Working With Ponder, Webb

Posted by Mike Wobschall on May 23, 2011 – 8:57 am

Chris Weinke is a name with which Minnesota football fans are familiar. He never played a down for the Vikings or the Gophers, but the St. Paul native and Cretin-Derham Hall product was a standout prep athlete in Minnesota and eventually went on to play pro baseball and win a National Championship and Heisman Trophy as a QB at Florida State.

Now there’s another reason Vikings fans should pay attention to what Weinke’s doing – he’s working with Vikings QBs Christian Ponder and Joe Webb. The Star Tribune’s Chip Scoggins has a nice piece about Weinke working with the Vikings signal-callers and it should give fans some optimism about each players development.

Weinke recently became director of the IMG Madden Football Academy, located in Bradenton, Florida. As Scoggins notes, IMG is noted for its work with golf and tennis athletes but now, with Weinke in the fold, is taking on football prospects, too. One of Weinke’s clients is Cam Newton, who was taken 1st overall by the Carolina Panthers in April’s draft.

Last week Weinke began working privately with Webb and Scoggins reports that Ponder will join the action this week.

From Scoggins’ piece, it sounds like the work Weinke does with the QBs is legitimate stuff, from studying film to on-field workouts. And it’s not just mechanical studying, either. Weinke works at incorporating the specific offense each player will have to learn once the labor situation is resolved.

“We’re spending about 3 to 3 1/2 hours a day in the classroom installing his offense and watching video,” Weinke said in Scoggins’ piece. “We film everything, we video it, we analyze it. We come back in the afternoon and do some more installation and review some video. It’s really similar to what they would face if they went to a minicamp following the draft.

“I’ll do the same thing with him [as Newton],” Weinke said of working with the Vikings QBs. “There will be an installation of the offense, for him to get familiar with the verbiage and the concepts. We’ll take all that information and go to the field and apply all of that.”

Whether the work and preparation the Vikings QBs will go through with Weinke is as effective as it would be with actual Vikings coaches is unknown. But, even if it’s just a fraction of what they’d learn studying with Vikings offensive coordinator Bill Musgrave and QBs coach Craig Johnson, the bottom line for me is both Ponder and Webb are learning how to study and prepare; and they’re learning it from a former pro QB who was known as a heady player and a good leader.


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121 Responses to “MN Native Chris Weinke Working With Ponder, Webb”

  1. By no1vikingsfan on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    It’s good to see these guys being active in whatever they can and to use it as some type of gainful knowledge towards there career, especially with an inactive NFL standing in there way. I hope Ponder and Webb get something out of it.

  2. By Frederick Jones on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    @Mike Wobschall,

    On another NFL.com website someone said Ponder should change his name to Pounded, which is what it will be with our current Offensive Line.

    :) :) :( :) :)

  3. By Frederick Jones on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    @Mike Wobschall,

    Where is that article on OFFENSIVE LINEMEN that the Vikings could acquire once the CBA is settled?

  4. By Frederick Jones on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    Ponder WILL BE POUNDED with our current offensive line.

  5. By fran on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    PEOPLE ASK FOR Mcnab

  6. By Frederick Jones on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    Actually there is a need to improve many other areas of the Vikings as well.

    I really feel that the defensive line is deep, but it does depend on the young
    d linemen to improve enought to start.

    The defensive backing of the MN Vikings is legendary since the days of
    John “Burn Me Deep” Turner, for allowing lots of pass completions. Have we addressed this area?

    LB, RB, TE, WR may be strong IF certain people like Sid Rice are signed again.

    As much as I like Joe Webb and C. Pounded at the QB, they are young and inexperienced. But it will take big moola to shore up this area, and we may already be okay in the future.

  7. By Parody on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    Fred, the horse is dead. Put the stick away and let it rest in peace already!

  8. By NovaScotiaVike on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    Did any of you guys ever open a beer, only to discover that the air had gotten to it and it tastes bad. The one I just opened is flatter than Howie Long’s head.

  9. By Frederick Jones on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    Hey Parody,

    How’s about you explain the greatness of the Vikings Offensive Line?

    There’s an subject bound ta challenge ya !

  10. By Frederick Jones on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    T.J. Houshmandzadeh was tabbed in the 7th round in 2001 (the same year M. Vick, and L. Tomlinson were picked high in round #1)

    Housh went on to have 6 straight 900 yard seasons. However it did take him a few years to crack the starting lineup.

    So there IS hope that the 6th round draftees for th viks may turn out and save the day for Pounded.

  11. By Frederick Jones on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    Unless you can explain the Vikings Offensive Line’s GREATNESS, don’t bother telling me I should stop complaining about it !

    DO YOU CALL ALL DAY AN AVERAGE RUNNING BACK?

    WHY THEN DO YOU EXPECT US TO GET BY WITH AN AVERAGE O LINE?

  12. By Frederick Jones on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    IS IT OKAY FOR SID RICE TO BE AVERAGE???

  13. By Frederick Jones on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    WOULD YOU EAT YOUR DOG, OR ORDER OUT FOR PIZZA?

  14. By NovaScotiaVike on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    How about order out for dog?

  15. By NovaScotiaVike on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    Hold the anchovies.

  16. By DRS on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    This is from,

    http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/27139/vikings-stadium-pushing-answers-to-june

    All indications are that Gov. Mark Dayton will need to call legislators back for a special session to approve the state budget before the July 1 start of the state’s fiscal year. Dayton has the authority to put the stadium issue on the agenda of a special session.

    The July 1 date is key both for the state and the stadium issue. Remember, after that date, either the Vikings or Ramsey County can opt out of their current stadium agreement, which calls for a $1.057 billion stadium in suburban Arden Hills. The Vikings’ lease at the Metrodome expires Feb. 1, 2012, and they would technically be franchise free agents thereafter.

  17. By Titus on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    It’s Monday Morning– so shouldn’t the first blog on Monday be– Monday Morning Answerbag?

  18. By DRS on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    This is from,

    http://blog.vikings.com/2011/05/23/mn-native-chris-weinke-working-with-ponder-webb/#comment-80156

    Rep. Kate Knuth, DFL-New Brighton, said the Vikings need to pay at least 60 percent of a stadium’s cost. She represents the stadium area and said that she fears it could divide the community.

  19. By NovaScotiaVike on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    Monday Morning Answerbag could be Sarah Palin.

  20. By DRS on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    Sorry that last post had the wrong site posted to it, do not know how that happened, here is the correct one.
    This is from,

    http://capitolchat.areavoices.com/2011/05/11/big-dreams-old-traditions-for-new-vikings-stadium/

    Rep. Kate Knuth, DFL-New Brighton, said the Vikings need to pay at least 60 percent of a stadium’s cost. She represents the stadium area and said that she fears it could divide the community.

  21. By likejoeybrowner on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    on a different note….I’m here in Lynchburg Va……I’m a big viking fan….and I must tell you the spielman doesnt have a clue….he drafted chris cook with a 2nd round pick…he’s a wanna be thug…hasn’t worked out one day….spends every day drinking…smoking marijuana…and etc……even his next door neighbor said he’s a waste….this is all true….nothing hurts more than me having to say this….but I owe it to the true fan….I wont even ask him for a ticket…cause I don’t want him to even know who I am…

  22. By NovaScotiaVike on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    Comr to think of it, “Hold The Anchovies” would be a GREAT name for a rock band!

  23. By Titus on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    Sonja and the Anchovies–now that is a band!

  24. By likejoeybrowner on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    Women should have no say so in the stadium issue…THERE HEADS ARE ALL MESSED UP WITH FEMINISM TIHS…this has nothing to do with 10,000 years of descrimmination…stop making men suffer and give the FANS what they want!!!!! We’re sorry…women are the greatest….can we have our stadium now?

  25. By likejoeybrowner on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    Anchovies? we must be bored

  26. By likejoeybrowner on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    Anchovies? WTF

  27. By likejoeybrowner on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    Herrera was on his way to becoming a star….I love Loadholt….and Mckinnie is preparing over the summer to handle the likes of peppers with quick twitch training….Hutcherson is a stud….cooks look good….i.e. stop complaining…it wasn’t the line…it was the receiving corp…nobody was open….learn the game….how can you get rid of the ball with their whole team focusing on Harving?

  28. By DRS on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    This is from,

    http://www.startribune.com/politics/blogs/122457589.html

    After a five-month session, the Legislature will adjourn late Monday without approving a new stadium for the Minnesota Vikings, or without having ever really seen a plan for the project.

    Rep. Morrie Lanning, R-Moorhead, the chief House author of the stadium proposal, said Monday that there remained road improvement issues with a plan to build the stadium in Ramsey County’s Arden Hills. He also said there remained multiple problems with proposed legislative language that has been submitted – but not yet made public – by the team and the county.
    So now it’s on to a special legislative session — maybe.

  29. By likejoeybrowner on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    Ok everybody is silent…if you’re not discussing anchivies you have nothing intellegent to say….here we give our anchovies time to mature….wish he had a program for some of you fools

  30. By Carl K on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    Fred- I can’t wait to see what our new offense will look like.
    I would feel alot better if we signed a free agent RG. I found out Harvey Dahl is one of the top ten meanest-nastiest-dirtiest-toughest guys in the NFL.

    Can you imagine how good Sully would look if he had Dahl next to him.
    Can you imagine if Dahl’s attitude would rub off on McKinnie and Loadholt?

    AP could run all day.

  31. By likejoeybrowner on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    The Vikings are gone……Minnesota is hopeless…..I will be a Los Angelos viking fan…..they will flourish once leaving this state….just like the lakers did when minnesota traded them

  32. By John Doe on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    Frederick your worst than a snotty nose spoiled little kid using negative means in which to buy his attention, you’re a clown and it would be very surprising if anyone in there right mind takes you serious.

  33. By NovaScotiaVike on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    Likejoeybrowner, who the he11 is “Harving”?

  34. By DRS on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    This is from,

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ys-farrar-ponder_may_payoff_early_for_vikes_051811

    Ponder has his work cut out for him in the NFL – he’s in a brutal NFC North division with elite pass rushers everywhere, and Minnesota’s offensive line is questionable to the point where people wonder if he’s going to be healthy enough to deal with the grind. However, based on the tape alone, there’s no question that Ponder projects well as a future franchise quarterback if he can stay healthy – tough, smart, resilient, and able to get things done against the odds. Enough quarterbacks have proven through time that these attributes are far more important than the ability to throw a football through a brick wall.

  35. By likejoeybrowner on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    I have things to do….no one wants to reply to my post?

  36. By NovaScotiaVike on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    Learn the game.

  37. By likejoeybrowner on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    nova scott vike…..?

    he’s a receiver that plays for the vikes….the only LIGIT receiver on the team

  38. By likejoeybrowner on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    WHO NOVA..ME?…are you saying I should learn the game?

  39. By DRS on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    http://www.kansasviking.com/

  40. By NovaScotiaVike on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    At least the player’s names, you should start there.

  41. By likejoeybrowner on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    Oh now I see NOVA….IT’S THE ANCHOVIE COMMENT I MADE…sorry…lol
    Now thats football!!

  42. By likejoeybrowner on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    what….percy Harvin

  43. By DRS on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    This is from,

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81ff2d44/article/vikings-de-griffen-wants-to-put-offseason-woes-behind-him

    “I had a little rough stretch,” said Griffen, who works out daily with linebacker E.J. Henderson, linebacker Jasper Brinkley and quarterback Tarvaris Jackson. “Coaches want me back, and that’s the place for me to be. … I’m just trying to make changes. I’ve got big years coming up. I’m just trying to show the Minnesota Vikings I’m here for good.”

  44. By likejoeybrowner on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    who started for the vikings at middle linebacker 1989?
    don’t go there!!!! YOU WILL LOSE

  45. By NovaScotiaVike on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    No, it was actually calling Percy Harvin “Percy Harving”.

  46. By likejoeybrowner on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    iM SORRY DID I MISS-SPELL Harvins name professor….give me a break…I know the team as well as anyone

  47. By likejoeybrowner on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    oooh
    thanks alot….wtf…lol

  48. By DRS on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    This is from,

    http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/blogs/122353899.html

    A veteran also could serve as a bridge quarterback while Ponder gets up to speed after losing offseason workouts because of the ongoing lockout. A number of names have been mentioned as possibilities, and ESPN’s Chris Mortensen added Denver’s Kyle Orton to that list Friday. (via ProFootballTalk.com)

    Mortensen tweeted that Orton is on the Vikings “radar” in response to a question from a follower. Orton has started 61 games in six seasons. It’s been widely speculated that the Broncos are looking to trade Orton. Mike Klis of the Denver Post speculated last month that Orton is worth a second- or third-round pick.

  49. By likejoeybrowner on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    wow…these are my fellow fans

  50. By John Doe on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    likejoeybrowner the Lakers won 6 conference titles in there last 7 years in Minnesota, so they really didn’t have a big change in success after leaving MN.

  51. By likejoeybrowner on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    why do people break out the vaseline whenever they see a typo….get a life

  52. By likejoeybrowner on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    john doe..point being….the vikes are due a championship….question is…will it be in minnesota…some states just don’t have it…all viking fans down the team year in and year out…you young bucks have nothing to complain about.

  53. By NovaScotiaVike on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    I’m curious, Did you derive your name from the fact that you look like Joey Browner, or was Joey Browner a moron?

  54. By likejoeybrowner on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    Why would a state let a team go that won 6 tiltles in seven years…..do you get my point Doe?

  55. By DRS on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    This is from,

    http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/32398199/ns/sports-nfl/

    Vikings TE Jim Kleinsasser could be out of a roster spot in Minnesota after the team drafted Kyle Rudolph in the second round.

  56. By likejoeybrowner on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    Nova you have a character disorder….what are you trying to figure if I’m white or black….no my friend…you’re the moron… get help

  57. By likejoeybrowner on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    I love Kleinsasser…..he was responsible for robert smith’s success…and he’s anchoring the edge for AP also…..keep him until there is a ligitimate replacement….let dugan go

  58. By NovaScotiaVike on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    No it has nothing to do with color.

  59. By DRS on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    This is from,

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=6573122

    Amid the NFL’s ongoing, drawn-out struggle, Ray Edwards’ off-the-field fight was short and sweet Friday.

    The Minnesota Vikings defensive end won his pro boxing debut, a four-round bout that ended with a unanimous decision after Edwards knocked down former amateur kickboxer T.J. Gibson twice at Grand Casino in Hinckley, Minn.
    According to local reports, Edwards scored knockdowns in the first and fourth rounds of the otherwise subdued fight; the judges scored it 40-34, 39-35, 40-34.

  60. By likejoeybrowner on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    p.s. derive is not the word you’re looking for

  61. By likejoeybrowner on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    Nova just relax…I’m sorry about the Anchovia comment…

  62. By likejoeybrowner on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    sorry anchovie….

  63. By DRS on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    This is from,

    http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/27088/clayton-vikings-most-affected-by-lockout

    That can’t be said of the offense. Ponder had only a brief meeting with new offensive coordinator Bill Musgrave and is having to learn the playbook on his own. He’s thinking of getting a couple of his wide receivers together for some throwing sessions in Florida, but there is another problem. Minneapolis, like Green Bay and Buffalo, is not an offseason home for most of the players. Warmer climates such as Miami, Houston, Atlanta, Dallas and New Orleans have significant edges because they can get three dozen players together without difficulty.

  64. By likejoeybrowner on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    drs yeah I read that……the day he gets knocked out the dream is over

  65. By DRS on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    Have to get going so God bless U-All, and have a great day.

  66. By likejoeybrowner on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    why are we pretending to be reporters….this news has already been released and everyone has read it

  67. By NovaScotiaVike on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    derive : to take, receive, or obtain especially from a specified source. Looks good to me!

  68. By likejoeybrowner on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    try amalgamate…to form…it fits better

  69. By DRS on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    Something to talk about. Have a great day.

  70. By likejoeybrowner on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    try amalgamate…it means to form….

  71. By likejoeybrowner on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    I’m not the one you want to nitt pick with…

  72. By likejoeybrowner on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    I’ve got better things to do

  73. By likejoeybrowner on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    later

  74. By NovaScotiaVike on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    Substitute any of take, receive or obtain for derive in my post. they all work well. … On second thought, this is starting to remind me of university, so %@#$$ it.

  75. By no1vikingsfan on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    Perhaps the biggest name in Vikings linebackers, Scott Studwell.

    I am proud that I can say even despite never winning a championship that the team has achieved so much greatness, just that one single missing element away from being able to say that this team has done it all, I do hope that we can say it for the team that earned it, the Minnesota Vikings and not the Los Angeles Vikings.

  76. By NovaScotiaVike on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    We never won one (Super Bowl) and if we move, we never will. We wll be a footnote in NFL history, like the Chicago Cardinals. It can’t happen.

  77. By NovaScotiaVike on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    Stoney, by the way, a buddy of mine drowned in a vat of beer. took him 6 hours to die, he had to get out three times to take a leak.

  78. By CA Norwegian on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    I like the Vikes to surprise and thrive. ( If there is a season) The O-Line were the same players that took us to the NFC championship in 09, but we were rotating in a new guy or two. In the NFC championship game, the D and the O-line did not give it away!!!!! The guys with the ball did !!!!! (along with the guy in the black and white who took it away) What we needed in 2010 was first downs. Missing Chester and Favre’s gunslinging were the difference. A short passing game guy like Ponder will cut down on all those quick punts, help the defense by giving them rest, and keep points going onto the board, even if they are 3s. When we play ahead, we will have takeaway opportunities increase also. Ponder that and spin that into your Webb. Look again at Plaxico Burress. They cannot Double Him, Sidney, Shenk and Kyle, cover the back and rush the passer. (Unless the refs stop counting players on the field.) Ponder will quick release or Webb will scramble. A very different story from last year. Winfield shoulda been in the 100.

  79. By Stoney on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    NOVA, several more funny posts, i”ve learned to put the beer down when i see your name. thanx for the laughs. FRED, i think the O line will be OK. a F.A. addition (Dahl) wouldn’t hurt, and i don’t want to give a 2nd/3rd rd pick for orton, your thoughts?

  80. By Stoney on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    LIKEJOEY, you sound like a window licker when you bring race into the discussion.

  81. By NovaScotiaVike on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    I couldn’t figure out that one either, Stoney.

  82. By NovaScotiaVike on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    Thanx Stoney, I think when someone loses their sense of humor it’s time to pack it in.

  83. By Parody on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    Fred – My problem is that you give the same rhetoric every time. “[The Oline is horrible, we need new olinemen, all QBs will get injured behind this oline!]” You rarely focus on individual player’s faults, or consider their potential for improvement, or factor in any differences/enhancements that a new OLine coordinator (which we have obtained) could create.

    With all of this, you are alienating yourself from the public forum, especially those of who address the deficiencies with optimist arguments. Please respond to some of the optimist rebuttals of your argument, and help to fuel an intelligent debate.

  84. By Stoney on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    no doubt Nova, i hate when people bring up race, it has nothing to do with it.

  85. By Patches on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    The Vikings O-line is A good one of the best in the NFL they have been together & our Center holds.

  86. By Mike B on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    The O Line was in the top ten in 2009 with a Rookie at center. They had a slump in 2010 but I predict they will be back in 2011 with a vengence to spite ole Fred.

  87. By Mike B on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    @Parody Fred is afraid those big bad linemen will kick his buttocks. I asked him to debate his case but always the same stuff they are bad no substance all rhetoric.

  88. By Mike B on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    He brings up the colts and pats went after O line. What’s is the one need they don’t have to worry about a QB. His analysis of the team has been so far of the mark lately I think he feels the need to be right on this one thing. He beats it to death and bores the rest of us silly. He’s a good guy, but backs the wrong horse.

  89. By Frederick Jones on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    @Mike B., Parody, and Extremely Unlike Joey Browner,

    I never used the word horrible to describe the offensive line.
    The question I asked all of you was to tell me how the offensive line would improve over last year, and I got THE SAME THREE ANSWERS:

    1) New O Line Coach (Big deal, in the NFL talent rules)
    2) We will recover from injuries (No One controls injuries)
    3) The new draft picks (6th rounders? Maybe and maybe not.)

    Why is it okay to have a great running back, but not okay to have
    a great offensive line? Answer the question ! ! !

    None of my blogs were negative. I want you to address the weak areas of our team. If you cannot do that, you do not have to respond.

  90. By Frederick Jones on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    Mr. Mike B,

    The point about the Colts, Patriots, and ALL OTHER WINNING TEAMS is that they do not neglect their offensive line.

    The Vikings have always had an above average line during winning seasons. Too many fans, AND POSSIBLY COACHES lose sight of that.

  91. By Frederick Jones on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    @Carl K,

    You are the only one who has bothered to say HOW the Vikings could improve their O Line. The Vikings should take a look at the Harvey Dahl situation.

  92. By Frederick Jones on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    Most of us come on to this blog to have fun. There is nothing wrong with that.
    Insulting people is not really a good thing to do, but when you can hide behind a blog you can say anything you want.

    If you don’t like reading about Offensive Linemen, don’t do it.

    I guarantee you I do not read every blog ! ! !

  93. By Mike B on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    I wasn’t insulting you Fred I was just pointing out the obvious. Our OL is good. They had a bad year. It’s possible you are overstating an issue that is an non issue. Maybe you should look into that possibility or have you given up on that.

  94. By Frederick Jones on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    @Mike B,

    I think we agree.

    The Vikings have an average offensive line. The defensive backs are average. These are two weak areas on the Vikings that probably will be addressed by management before the start of the new season.

    That’s why I’m not worried about people saying, “I told you so.” My response to that would be that we added Harvey Dahl, Ryan Bartholomew, or whatever happens to improve the line.

  95. By PAUL M. on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    THANK YOU FOR EARLIER COMMENTS.

    THE TEAM NEEDS TO DO WHATEVER IT MUST IN ORDER TO UPGRADE LAST YEAR’S PERFORMANCES OF THE:

    1st: O-LINE
    2nd: D-BACK FIELD
    3rd: D-LINE
    4rth: O-BACK FIELD BLITZ PICK-UPS

  96. By PAUL M. on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    5th: WR’s

  97. By Frederick Jones on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    There were a couple of newcomers that took shots at me. I guess it was something I said when they were in another identity.

    I admit to not reading about QBs, Randy Moss, etc., when it is repetitious.

    Therefore, anyone can skip over my blogs, and I expect it.

    The more people criticize my attempts at pushing the offensive line, the more determined I am to get my points across. And you cannot stop a blogger anyway.

  98. By Frederick Jones on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    @Paul M,

    We are on the same page. Wide Receivers are not a critical area unless we do not sign Sid Rice.

    The Tribune writers have said that both lines need additional players.

    It’s been a long time since the Vikings have had a defensive backfield to be feared. Darren Sharper, Fred Smoot, Antoine Winfield, were excellent.

  99. By Frederick Jones on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    @Nova,

    Sorry about the Dog jokes. Sonja didn’t take them personally I hope?

  100. By DuaneN on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    LOL at extremely unlike JB, good one Fred.

    O line is what it is, you think other teams are gonna trade us somebody good?

    I really hope the D steps it up, it’s our only hope imo. Offense is good enough if they play smart/stay healthly.

  101. By Titus on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    Hey looks like everyone was having fun today. Who is the Joey Browner wannabe?

  102. By drew on May 23, 2011 | Reply

    With our two young QBs get ready for the season, we may not need McNabb after all.

  103. By Parody on May 24, 2011 | Reply

    @Fred – In response to your response(s):

    “1) New O Line Coach (Big deal, in the NFL talent rules)”
    I wholeheartedly disagree. I think that coaching can make all the difference in the world, and I can guarantee you that I am far from the only one. That is why people like Bellicheck are so successful, and arguably why so many wanted to get rid of Childress. Having someone who can motivate the players to do what it takes to build skill and then to show every ounce of that skill on the field is invaluable.

    “2) We will recover from injuries (No One controls injuries)”
    It’s obvious that it can’t be controlled when injuries occur, but I’m sure that you wouldn’t argue that 8-months of R&R is not enough time to heal from the injuries that befell our starters. Everybody heals differently, but in relation to the severity of the injuries, I would be extremely surprised if any professional athlete under the age of 35 would need more time than this to heal.

    Part of the argument that goes along with this is that the line performed much better in 2009, with all the same starters, but all had been fortunate enough to avoid the injury bug, (or maybe they remembered to apply their injury-bug repellant before each game in 2009…) either way, how would you account for the decline of the OLine from 2009 to 2010?

    “3) The new draft picks (6th rounders? Maybe and maybe not.)”
    I feel the need to reply to this comment by bringing up one of your arguments for a solution to the problem. That solution is your proposal to add Bartholomew, an undrafted rookie, to the roster. Following the train of logic presented by your rejection of the current draftees, If a 6th-round selection is no good, how can an undrafted player be better? In reality, at least from reports that I’ve heard, the linemen that we selected were steals in the 6th round, as neither was expected to fall nearly that far, and both present a lot of potential. Referring back to my reply to your first item in the list; with good coaching, the young linemen currently on the team will turn into valuable assets.
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    Now all these arguments that I’m making are simply to point out that the issue isn’t as bad as your messages imply. I still think that if we can get a quality starter from free agency, it will improve the team. But I’m also optimistic that the coaches know what they’re doing better than any Vikings.com blogger does, and that they will make the best possible decisions for the team.

    Have faith Fred. Free agency cannot begin until a CBA is agreed upon, but when that time comes, I am hopeful that the Vikings front office will be busy grabbing the best talent that remains in order to patch the remaining holes in the team.

  104. By Frederick Jones on May 24, 2011 | Reply

    @Parody,

    Thank you for the evaluation of the reasoning most folks use to say the offensive line will be better in 2011.

    IF and that looks like a BIG IF, the Vikings obtain some Free Agent talent (a rookie like Bartholomew, or veteran), THEN they might have a GREAT O Line.

    Currently (untll the drafted O Linemen prove themselves) we still have an average line.

    Some people really think that if you have a great QB, RB, Receivers, then having any kind of line will be okay.

    Many rbs will tell you that they have never had a great run that wasn’t caused by the O Line.

  105. By Frederick Jones on May 24, 2011 | Reply

    Key sentence:

    Some people really think that if you have a great QB, RB, Receivers, then having any kind of line will be okay.

  106. By Shawn on May 24, 2011 | Reply

    @Fred … I think the key point you are missing is that in this team sport, a good to great player at any position can make any other positon look a little better than they or it might be

    A good WR can make a QB look better and vice versa …. a good OL can make a RB look better and vice versa

    Now on the flip side a really bad player or psition can make any other position look a little worse than they or it might be

  107. By Parody on May 24, 2011 | Reply

    Shawn, you make a good point. How often during the season was the entire starting line healthy and playing? At the beginning of the season Sullivan was in and out with injury, and throughout the season other players were getting beat up and the team had to depend on the replacements to fill in, potentially making things more difficult for everyone and tearing down the performance of everyone close to them.

  108. By Carl K on May 24, 2011 | Reply

    Parody – 2 days ago you said that RG is our weakiest link. At that time I thought to myself that parody dude really knows his stuff. Now it sounds like you are changing your mind?

    Herrera was not that great when he and everyone else on the OL was healthy in 2009. He tore his ACL late last year, so I am not sure if he can come back 100%.

    Frazier wants to get younger… but I also think he wants to win now. With over 400 FA to be on the market, I think he is looking at ALL players that can upgrade this team… even OL.

    I really believe that we have some good young talent, but to win now Frazier may want to ad a couple veteran free agents.

  109. By Frederick Jones on May 24, 2011 | Reply

    @Shawn,

    I’m not “missing” any key points. I have been saying since day one that the offensive line has to work together with MORE TEAMWORK than any other group.

  110. By Frederick Jones on May 24, 2011 | Reply

    AND if they do not…A. Peterson cannot run wild.

  111. By Parody on May 24, 2011 | Reply

    @Carl – I’m not changing my mind, just adjusting the tune a bit in an effort to convince some of the more bleak bloggers that things aren’t as bad as they’re projecting.

  112. By Realist on May 25, 2011 | Reply

    This is all too crazy for me. lol

    Fact of the matter is we aren’t GREAT on the O Line, but we aren’t that bad off either. I think if you go back and watch the games again (I cheated and still have the last four on my DVR) you can see that we took less sacks without favre in the lineup, and most runs that didn’t work out were because of a single person’s blocking assignment being missed. Mostly from a young replacement like Degreare who was filling in for Hutch for a while. I think especially when talking about the Oline, one person can make the entire line look bad, and there is no way or explanation around that. In a slant blocking scheme if one man misses his assignment it could mean the difference between a 3 yard loss and a 40 yard gain. Same thing applies in a zone blocking concept.

    I think the end result of what I am saying is that experience will make some of our young players like Loadholt better this year. There is no denying his physical talents if his experience and football knowledge expand. And if our veterans like Hutch can stay healthy we aren’t in that bad of condition. With that said, We certainly do need to find a solution at RG, whether its a veteran free agent or one of our young guys like Degreare benefiting from his experience last year and stepping up. You can always use improvement though.

    If you haven’t heard about it, read the book “Take your eyes off the ball” by Pat Kirwan, it will certainly help in any analysis you attempt to make on any position or player. Because a fans opinion isn’t always the correct one. Mine included.

  113. By PoopAss on May 25, 2011 | Reply

    How about “Anchovies in a Doggy Bag”?

  114. By PoopAss on May 25, 2011 | Reply

    Thats a number one hit by the Band

  115. By Brandon Manumaleuna on May 25, 2011 | Reply

    @likejoeybrowner, yes and im sure if u were the calling the shots in MN (and thank god you are not) , the vikings would have moved to L.A. by now. I guess u know what chris cook does on a daily basis because you live with him right? another racist stereotype about cook being a thug and smoking weed. hmnn i wonder what they did in lynchberg during the slavery days. you know nothing about football. offensive line play is most important to the success of an offense, not the route running ability of a receiver. I dont know what games u were watching last season, are u seriously a viking fan?

  116. By mcgeeale on May 26, 2011 | Reply

    you are driving me insane stop doing this thing……………………………………………………………….

  117. By chris on May 27, 2011 | Reply

    best strategy

    stay in minnesota dont be stupid and move!!!!!!

    get rid of asher allen, madeau williams, chris cook, bernard berrian, and nafahu tahi, take tarvaris jackson make him special teams contributor ot 3rd string running back. try running a scheme offense like the wildcat or do some trick plays more.

    pick up robert gallery offensive guard this could be a wise descision gallery was two time pro bowler

    keep joe webb as backup quarterback or move him to receiver

  118. By echo on May 28, 2011 | Reply

    Weinke is just doing what he want to do.

  119. By Vikings2011 on May 28, 2011 | Reply

    Dont ever call yourselfs vikings fans i was more happy about a QB than than OL first the vikings have a good OLine coming in they need more snaps and they need a better QB too block for they need to be moivated to become better but if we need to sign some OLineman than we will but fraizer knows what to do so leave it to him. and it PONDER not POUNDED ??????? He’ll be better devolped than jake locker and blaine gabbert. More likely he’ll win a Tiitle with a team that works hard and plays hard and that supposts him. GO VIKINGS 2011

  120. By sandiamond on May 30, 2011 | Reply

    Is everyone impressed with Ponder or what? This guy wants to start an expects to start game1 vs SD. The more we see the more we like, interviews and work ethic. I’m all in for support with the kid (Mcnabb or not on the team)

  121. By echo on May 30, 2011 | Reply

    It sounds good.:)

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