A Look At 3 Potential Trade Possibilities In The Draft

Posted by Mike Wobschall on April 4, 2011 – 2:07 pm

In the madness that is trying to predict how teams will behave during the draft and which players will be selected with which picks, it’s easy to forget a possibility that exists with each and every selection in the entire event – a trade.

Some Vikings fans want the team to use the #12 pick on a QB. Others want to see a pass-rushing stud at DE. And others prefer the team addresses the secondary or even the offensive line. Ultimately, the Vikings may decide to address none of them with the #12 and instead use the selection to trade back and acquire more picks. Or the Vikings could develop a strong enough interest in a player that they decide to move ahead in the 1st round to nab him before another team.

Until the pick is actually used, you can’t rule anything out.

So while we’ve utilized Mock Madness to track who different NFL observers are projecting the Vikings to select, let’s use this blog entry to speculate on a pair of potential trade partners for the Vikings. Just to be clear, this is pure speculation on my part.

There are 3 scenarios I’ve drummed up as possibilities…let us know what you think by leaving your thoughts in the comments section below this entry…

Possibility #1: Vikings VP of Player Personnel Rick Spielman has a track record of making trades during the draft, both trading up and trading back. The Patriots have done their share of wheeling and dealing lately, too, but they’ve generally gone the route of trading back to acquire more picks rather than trading up to grab a player. In this scenario, though, the Patriots will reverse that trend and trade up.

Bill Belichick and Co. own 3 of the first 33 picks in the 2011 NFL Draft, giving them plenty of power to move up into the 1st round almost wherever they wish. Should a player they covet – perhaps Boston College OL Nick Castanzo – fall to the Vikings spot at #12, the Patriots could offer the #17 pick and perhaps a 3rd-rounder to move up. This would still leave them with their original 1st-round pick (#28) and it would allow them to add a potential starter to the lineup as well. In moving back to #17, the Vikings could take a look at the remaining top-level QBs or perhaps take a look at an OL such as Gabe Carimi or Nate Solder or a DL such as Adrian Clayborn, Cameron Jordan, Ryan Kerrigan, Aldon Smith or Muhammad Wilkerson.

Possibility #2: My favorite receiver in the draft this year is Julio Jones, but A.J. Green is the consensus top WR and many are projecting the Cleveland Browns will take him at #6. Let’s say that does happen and Jones slides out of the top 10 to the Vikings at #12. Should that happen, a WR-needy team may be interested in jumping ahead of the Detroit Lions, who sit at #13 and might be tempted to pair Jones up with Calvin Johnson, even though WR is not a priority need for the Lions. In that scenario, I think the following teams – with their pick in parenthesis – are potential trade partners for the Vikings: St. Louis (#14), Miami (#15), Jacksonville (#16), Kansas City (#21) and Indianapolis (#22).

If the Vikings wind up in this scenario, they could swap with Miami or even Jacksonville and still likely end up with the player they liked at #12. Or, they could swap with the Chiefs or Colts and wind up with many of the players mentioned in Possibility #1.

Possibility #3: I almost didn’t include this scenario because it takes the Vikings out of the 1st round, which fans certainly don’t want to read about, especially after the team traded out of the 1st round last year. But let’s at least consider it before we dismiss the idea.

I mentioned earlier that the Patriots own 3 of the first 33 picks in this year’s draft, giving them flexibility to move up nearly anywhere in the 1st round. Well the Denver Broncos own 3 of the first 46 picks, including the 4th and 14th choices in the 2nd round. So although it would be quite costly, the Broncos could move up to #12 overall from the beginning of the 2nd round, giving them 2 players in the top 12. The cost would be a king’s ransom of picks in the 2nd-4th rounds, which would allow the Vikings to take a serious look at 2nd-round QB prospects as well as a bevy of other players at various positions. This draft is extremely deep on the defensive side of the ball, so many players that may have ordinarily been 1st-round picks could fall into the 2nd round and still be solid pros. Again, this is probably the most unpopular possibility of the 3, but it’s something to at least consider.

Before we go, check out this trade chart for a rough gauge on how teams value certain picks. The chart is something I’ve seen in the past and is also something a reader pointed out to me this afternoon. I didn’t include the trade chart in this week’s edition of Monday Morning Mailbag because I’m not sure if the chart is actually used by teams or if it’s outdated due to developments in the Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA) impasse. Regardless, it’s at least a rough gauge on the value teams place on certain picks.

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96 Responses to “A Look At 3 Potential Trade Possibilities In The Draft”

  1. By Parody on Apr 4, 2011 | Reply

    I don’t know about anybody else, but with all the holes on our team, the third scenario looks to be the most profitable. According to that chart, Our 1st-round pick coupled with our early 5th-round selection (#s 12 and 135 respectively) total almost equivalent to the Broncos’ 2 second round picks and their 3rd (#s 36, 46 and 67). The total would come down to a value of 1238 traded by us for a value of 1235 traded by the Broncos. Or, convert the 5th-round offer to the second we have (#147), and we come out slightly ahead in the trade giving away a value of 1232.6 for 1235.

    In the end, we’d end up with 3 high 2nd-round picks (4th, 11th and 14th), the third pick from the third round, and still maintain at least one selection in every subsequent round.

    Those three second rounders could all become starters pretty quickly, with the potential of a QB, defensive lineman and an interior offensive lineman. Then the added 3rd rounder can help fill holes from linebackers or safeties. Even if the QB is a bust, the team still added 2-valuable options that have the potential to be starters for a long time, if they are selected with care.

    One warning signal flashes in when considering the likelihood of this trade though. The Broncos don’t have a 4th- or 5th-round pick, and while they’ll be adding a 5th-rounder in the scenario, this still causes them to watch rounds 2, 3 and 4 from the sidelines. I don’t know how well rounded their roster is right now, but it still seems rather unlikely that they’ll be content moving into the new season with 2 first-rounders, a fifth, sixth and a couple of seventh round picks.

  2. By purple blood in DC on Apr 4, 2011 | Reply

    any trade possibilities that will bring the purple more talent and fills needs I Am all for and i think that all viking fans should be also, it is better to have more picks it gives you more chances to get it right right now!……

  3. By Howie on Apr 4, 2011 | Reply

    The vikes should take locker, Period.!!

  4. By Carl K on Apr 4, 2011 | Reply

    If Denver has the #2 and our 12th pick they could get Gabbert or Newton and a stud DE. This Scenario wouldn’t have to cost them a kings ransom if they would throw in a Kyle Orton or Tim Tebow. We give up our #12 pick we get Kyle Orton or Tebow and another 2nd round pick and a 3rd or 4th round pick.
    I know, I know… we need a new CBA first.

  5. By Dante' J on Apr 4, 2011 | Reply

    I am hoping that the Vikes can at least trade down once, but stay ahead of SEA. Not only can they pick up an additional 2nd or 3rd, but a realistic shot at Locker or Ponder. We all know we need a QB, but more picks are needed. Don’t forget, free agency can be key this year. A FA pickup on both the CB or OL will (if this is part of Spielman’s plan) give Vikes BPA approach.

    Considerations: OL – Robert Gallery, Whitlock, etc. CB – J Joseph, Asomugha, etc.

  6. By Parody on Apr 4, 2011 | Reply

    Looking at things a little deeper, it could be argued that compensatory selections should be thrown into the equation to even out the values. With one of these given at the end of the 3rd round and two more given at the end of the 4th, our 5th-round values slide 3-positions. This makes the initial proposition that I made a difference of 1236.5 to 1235. All in all, that’s about as even of a trade as you’re going to see.

    It will leave the Vikings with 10 total picks while the Broncos will be desperate for players with 6-picks, only two of which to have value high enough to avoid consideration for the practice squad.

  7. By Parody on Apr 4, 2011 | Reply

    @Dante’ J – If you’re happy with either Locker OR Ponder, a better choice would be to trade with the Patriots for their 28th and 33rd selections. I would bet a fortune that at least one of the two will be passed on, leaving us 2 chances, (almost back-to-back), to pick him up.

  8. By Bigfan1 on Apr 4, 2011 | Reply

    The Vikes have a philosophy of picking the best player regardless, Cam Newton is the best player in college last year, maybe they’ll move up to get him.

  9. By Bigfan1 on Apr 4, 2011 | Reply

    grammatical error….”was” the best player.

  10. By Parody on Apr 4, 2011 | Reply

    @Bigfan1 – Logical error. Trading up in the draft for a QB like Newton will cost too much and all but forfeit our chances of finding any other playmakers in the rest of the draft.

  11. By Parody on Apr 4, 2011 | Reply

    Looking at the Broncos roster, they appear to be pretty deep at every position with the exception of defensive line, where they only have 3-players under contract according to

    So with all the DLine talent in the draft this year, they just might be exstatic to make that trade. Then again, that site lists 23 players whose contracts end next year, which could give the Broncos good reason to look to keep the picks that they have in order to help solidfy some sort of team for the future.

  12. By aldojr on Apr 4, 2011 | Reply

    Please take this into consideration:
    We have the oldest team in the NFL and we need to address this situation for this reason we cant do any more quick fixes. first we need to address our strong point a couple of years ago, our d-line we need to replace our aging Pat Williams, (the oldest player on our team) this needs to be our first pick, the best run stopping DT available(there are plenty). Then we need a good nickle corner to preserve Antoine Winfield slide him into a safety spot and free up money by cutting Medieu Williams. we will need to weather out Joe Webb to see if he is worth keeping(besides this years QB really aren’t worth really jumping out for). The next draft we take the best available QB if Joe isn’t the guy, then we need to take the best available o-line in the second round and both third rounds this year and next years, we have plenty of problems there. Resign Sydney Rice to help Whoever our QB is. Lets hope our corners stay healthy.

  13. By DRS on Apr 4, 2011 | Reply

    A new Minnesota Vikings stadium, including a roof, would be built with up to $300 million in state money raised from an assortment of new fees and taxes, under a plan that will be introduced at the Legislature next week.

    The new details emerged late Thursday, when two leading Republican legislators sent a letter to their colleagues broadly outlining the public subsidy package for the project and told them that “the time has come to move forward on a bill.”

  14. By DRS on Apr 4, 2011 | Reply

    The letter, along with a research paper describing the plan’s highlights, says the state’s share of the project — at least $30 million a year — would come from a variety of fees, including a sports memorabilia tax, stadium naming rights, a lottery game and a pro football player income tax surcharge.

    Local governments could submit bids to host the new stadium and would be permitted to levy a half-cent sales tax to cover their costs in providing a stadium site.

  15. By DRS on Apr 4, 2011 | Reply

    In addition, Hennepin County would be permitted to use excess public subsidies from Target Field, the year-old home of the Minnesota Twins, and Minneapolis would have the option of diverting excess public subsidies from the city’s convention center. Officials for both the city and county however have expressed a continuing reluctance to use those funds for a new football stadium

  16. By DRS on Apr 4, 2011 | Reply

    The Vikings welcomed the bill as a good start, “a workable framework to negotiating a deal to secure the team and resolve the [stadium] issue,” Lester Bagley, the Vikings vice president for public affairs and stadium development, said on Thursday night. “We’re encouraged, and we’re appreciative of state leaders bringing the bill forward.”

    He said that the team is concerned about financing provisions that include the creation of a NFL player income-tax surcharge and a sales tax on luxury boxes, as well as a proposal to turn over stadium naming-rights revenues to the state — as opposed to the team. The provisions could impact the Vikings’ ability to compete in the Twin Cities market and in the NFL, Bagley said.

  17. By DRS on Apr 4, 2011 | Reply

    While not commenting specifically on the proposed bill, Katharine Tinucci, spokeswoman for Gov. Mark Dayton, reiterated Dayton’s interest in building what he has called a “people’s stadium,” and not using any general fund dollars.

    With 53 days left in the legislative session, the latest stadium developments came as evidence mounted that Republicans had been holding back on releasing the plan this week while legislative leaders in the GOP-dominated House and Senate pushed through far-reaching budget cuts to mitigate the state’s looming $5 billion deficit.

  18. By DRS on Apr 4, 2011 | Reply

    Will greed stop a new stadium in Minnesota and the team being sold to Oregon developer?

  19. By DRS on Apr 4, 2011 | Reply

    Have to go. have a great day one and all.

  20. By Frederick Jones on Apr 4, 2011 | Reply

    Let’s not forget that Joe Webb has huge hands. He might be able to hang on to the ball better than other qbs. And he jumps better than any qb in the nfl !

    Maybe the offensive line could be trained to say, JUMP JOE, when they miss their blocks. Joe could just jump over the defenders coming at him!

    lol of course!

  21. By James on Apr 4, 2011 | Reply

    In a recent interview with 104.3 the Fan, John Elway said “we’re not sure we have a franchise guy on our team right now.”

    If Carolina picks Newton #1, would Elway shock the football world by taking Gabbert with the #2 pick?

    Could the Vikings and Broncos have a friendly gentleman’s arrangement worked out for Tim Tebow?

  22. By Parody on Apr 4, 2011 | Reply

    They have Orton and Tebow, but are still considering taking a QB with the #2 selection? That sounds like a very poor decision to me. If this is truly the case, then I’d wager that the problem isn’t with the players (their crop of QBs) but with the coaches. Bringing in another rookie to try to reboot the team will do them no good without better coaching.

    Personally though, I think that it is much more likely they are only making that statement to throw other teams (primarily the one team selecting before them) off the path. I’m sure that with their needs at DLine, they want every last DLineman in the draft to choose from so that they can be sure to grab the guy that they believe will be the best player. So they’ll give as much praise as they can to the other guys who have a shot at being selected #1 overall by the Panthers to make that as likely of an outcome as possible.

  23. By James on Apr 4, 2011 | Reply

    You are probably right Parody.
    But Elway has never said anything good about his QBs. Can you imagine if Denver takes Gabbert with the #2 pick, and gives the Vikings a 2nd and 3rd round pick this year and a 2nd an 5th round pick in next years draft for our 1st round pick this year.

    The gentleman’s agreement would be when a new CBA is in place – the Vikings would give the 2 picks for next years draft back in exchange for Tebow or Orton.

  24. By Parody on Apr 4, 2011 | Reply

    Interesting idea James, but I don’t care for the whole gentleman’s agreement philosophy. For one, who’s to say it won’t fall through? Neither team has any way of forcing the “agreement” to be completed once a new CBA is signed. Secondly, the term itself is a lie. Nobody who makes an agreement that in effect breaks the rules should be considered a gentleman. It’s just a way of twisting words in an attempt to cover up a guilty conscience.

  25. By Parody on Apr 4, 2011 | Reply

    Anyways, I still prefer the idea of trading our #1 pick for a pair of #2’s and a #3 from Denver this year. It will set us up with 4 early picks that can be used to start developing a successful young team with the talented crop of coaches that Leslie has brought in around himself.

  26. By Lance on Apr 4, 2011 | Reply

    Go vote for peterson guys!!!! He made the final 8

  27. By Versus on Apr 4, 2011 | Reply

    I really wish the CBA wasn’t a problem at this point. So many other options could be a available for the Vikings via trade.

    With a lot of old talent on the roster the Vikings would do well to look at this draft much like the Patriots have in their resent years. (trade out old talent before the talent gets too old to retain it’s Value) I must admit I am excited for a new era to begin (fraizer) and it can all begin in the right direction with a well executed draft strategy.

    I do enjoy the thought of drafting a guy like Robert Quinn. Especially with a coach like mike singletary being in place to mold him. If he doesn’t work out at replacing Ray Edwards then move him to a OLB position to take advantage of Ben Liebers moving on. Overall I think multi options are best for the Vikings. Grab some QB’s to be competitive in camp. Tighten up our d so we can atleast have a running game and a solid defense to be competitive this year. Oh and most important of all. Get rid of Mckinnie! No QB can do well if he’s running for his life most of the game.

  28. By Justin on Apr 4, 2011 | Reply

    Cam Newton is not the best player in college football. What has been the Vikings achillies heel for the last 10 to 12 years??? Pass defense and you know who is the best player in college football? Patrick Peterson. Guys are already giving him the label of a Darrel Revis type player with Deion Sanders speed. We need to trade up and get him.. 1 corner is coming off of 2 ACL injuries and Winfield is getting old. We could always stop the run even when we threw in Jimmy Kennedy and Guion up front. And we can honestly make a trade for a veteran QB or sign one like Kolb. We need to focus on getting our defense back on track.. sign Sidney Rice, sign A.P. for next year and sign a vet QB and if we suck again hopefully we are up there for the Andrew Luck sweepstakes come next draft.

  29. By Bubba on Apr 4, 2011 | Reply

    I don’t think Denver will give up 2 – 2nd Rd picks and a 3rd Rd pick all in this years draft in exchange for the Vikes 1st Rd pick. Not gonna happen!

    That would be a deal to good to be true!

  30. By Titus on Apr 4, 2011 | Reply

    @ Fred Jones, yes I biked 24 on Friday, and 30 miles on Saturday– Sunday was great, but I was so busy serving– and tired, that I just relaxed in the afternoon–it was hard not to ride on that day. Doing the Ironman in May.

  31. By Shawn on Apr 4, 2011 | Reply


  32. By favrefan#4 on Apr 4, 2011 | Reply

    they need to give this years # 2 and next years3rd rounder for kolb!!!

  33. By Frederick Jones on Apr 4, 2011 | Reply


    Were you hitting tennis serves or serving a charity of some kind?

  34. By Frederick Jones on Apr 4, 2011 | Reply


    I agree that Patrick Peterson would be a good choice. But is he worth two draft choices?

  35. By Rad on Apr 4, 2011 | Reply

    There is no way in the world that the Vikings should take Newton or trade for Tebow. Both played in the SEC which has weaker defense’s than a wet paper bag, both are products of their systems.In my opinion whoever takes Newton will waste a draft pick(can you say JaMarcus Russell,Heath Shuler,and any former QB from the SEC not named Manning).I would trade for Kolb in Philly(a 2012 first round pick),then get an offensive or defensive lineman, I really like Quinn from UNC, then draft need picks.

  36. By Parody on Apr 4, 2011 | Reply

    @Shawn – What happened to Brees this year? I didn’t hear of him missing a snap! Check out this article on the issue:

    There still seems to be some debate, but how many teams are repeat Super Bowl champs? That seems to be the main argument that Brees didn’t break the curse. Fitzgerald apparantly escaped it too, allowing Polamalu to take the brunt of it in what just might have been the end to it all!

    Madden stopped giving his voice to the game in the 2009 season, and that just might have been the catalyst to the curse! At the announcement of his retirement from the game, only half of the cover atheletes were affected, and one year after it seems to have worn off almost completely.

    So everybody put down your pentagrams and voodoo dolls. We can relax now that the evil lord of the sport has finally found his eternal resting place atop the dead careers of all the men that dared lend their visage to the game bearing his name.

  37. By Shawn on Apr 4, 2011 | Reply

    @ parody thanx , i actually havent bought madden in 2-3 years so I didnt even realize Brees was on a cover, I was aware Polomalu was injured his year … Its still scary though with all the holes we have on this team

  38. By Frederick Jones on Apr 4, 2011 | Reply

    This is worth repeating: Do not forget the physical gifts of Joe Webb.

    Hands: Probably bigger than most if not all qbs.

    Hops: There is a video showing Joe jumping over something higher than a car!

    Hustle: He avoids rushers as well as any qb since Francis Asbury Tarkenton.

    Humility: He is not a hot dog. What did he do after that great run over the end zone pylon? Exactly, I don’t remember either!

    Call them the 4 H’s of Joe Webb

    He also is able to throw the ball hard, yet is able to add touch when necessary.

  39. By sleeperhold on Apr 4, 2011 | Reply

    trade trade TRADE!! no matter what,… we got to land Ryan Mellet or Andy Dalton!!

  40. By Frederick Jones on Apr 4, 2011 | Reply


    I like your suggestion of getting Kolb, then drafting Quinn.

    The problem is what do we have to give up to get Kolb? The Vikings are not a deep team.

    Depth may be a bigger weakness than even to O Line or D Backs, in fact THOSE ARE THE AREAS WHERE WE HAVE THE LEAST DEPTH !

  41. By Jones on Apr 4, 2011 | Reply

    Since newton and gabbert will be off the boards they will skip the qb position in the first round and will target it in the 2nd round. Another likely scenario is the vikings trading down out of the 12th to get an extra pick, For now aldon smith would be a good fit a fast speed rusher should help the front four.

  42. By Frederick Jones on Apr 4, 2011 | Reply quarterback watchers

    What are the weaknesses, or strengths of Joe Webb?

    1. Does he have a slow release?
    2. Is he lacking toughness?
    3. Is he prone to taking off too often, rather than showing patience?
    4. Is he smart enough, and quick thinking enough?
    5. Does he have good mechanics?
    6. Is he a good pocket passer?
    He lacks NFL experience. No doubt.

    Can you answer these questions, or do you know of other
    strengths and weaknesses of Joe Webb?

  43. By Mike B on Apr 4, 2011 | Reply

    Again more inside info that Vikings are going after QB in first round. I feel it down in my bones that Vikings will make a QB move in the first round. Coach must have seen something he didn’t like in Webb or there wouldn’t be so much buzz about the QB position. I know there is some strong feelings that drafting a QB is chance will there are plenty of busts our there at other positions too. That’s the reason the Owners want Round 1 salaries to come down to a more realistic figure. Webb will get his chance to compete for starting spot this year. I predict there will be 3 viable choices at QB Irookie, Webb, Vet). The vet will depend on where in the draft we pick the QB. Lower in the draft the more experienced the Vet we will look for. Remember Coach isn’t rebuilding he wants to compete this year in the North. I feel we have the talent to make a run at the playoffs. We need a QB that will be the guy. That’s the buzz and feeling I am getting.

  44. By Mike B on Apr 4, 2011 | Reply

    Hey Fred if Coach isn’t behind him example TJack he’s not going to get too much support. This is reguardless of how much you try and pump him up. Coach must see something or would he be looking at the Draft for the guy. Smell the coffee Fred you could be backing another losing horse.

  45. By Mike B on Apr 4, 2011 | Reply

    Kolb is going to cost us a first round next year and probably a high value player this year. Eagles have a cheap contract with him right now and really seeing who wants to give the most. Just like the guy on from the Trib said Locker could have first round potential. Locker is a quality youung man without the baggage some first round players have.

  46. By Dante J on Apr 4, 2011 | Reply

    I think Possibility #1 may have the best % of being played out. NE would love to draft best OT or DE for their 3-4 D instead of BPA at 17. They could simply trade us back our 3rd rounder – which I wouldn’t mind b/c at 17, there’s good chance that any of the 2nd tier QBs will be avail – Locker, Ponder, Mallet, Kaepernick, etc. It would really take a lot of stress from this draft if OL, DL or even CB is in our FA plans.

    Wish list: I would LOVE if Vikes draft LB Casey Matthews from Oregon! Can you imagine the hoopla of Vikes vs Packers, brother vs brother? Casey will want to make a name for himself and w/ Singletary coaching him up, sky is the limit. Good Sunday drama…

  47. By Mike B on Apr 4, 2011 | Reply

    I can also see the vikings trade away second round pick to get Newton or Gabbert. It is very likely trade up situation or give up first and second for qb and get a third or lower second. Panthers have a bunch of supplemental picks. Just throwing that out there

  48. By Mike B on Apr 4, 2011 | Reply

    I do see the other needs DL to replace Pat Williams, Kicker, DB,and WR are needs. I just don’t see what some of you do about the OL. You could make an argument about RG, but the rest of the positions are stable. You have two vets on left side and two young guys at center and RT. Some years aren’t as good as otheres I think that is what happened last year. I wouldn’t give up on those guys.

  49. By Daniel on Apr 5, 2011 | Reply

    I really think we need to address the OL first. Castonzo out of Boston has been thought of as good as Joe thomas coming out of collage. That said, could very well be our LT for years. Offering Mckinnie or berrrian or both for picks could help as they could bring in a thrid or fourth. The strongest positions in the draft this year are: OT,DE,DT. our three biggest needs. A QB above average can be picked up as free agent. our needs waaaay out weight nabing a QB in any round THIS YEAR. stop the QB MADNESS! We need to dump mckinnie and berrian. Our rebuilding should start up front. That should be our foundation. A strong foundation is what you build off of. Not taking a Risk on an unproven QB without a line, and with no push up front on D, they Will lock up Allen and attack our weak secondary. We need speed up front as bad as protection from line. So, my thought and over all view goes to OL, DT, DE. Robinson will not work. RD 1 and 2 should go with those spots. dump, mckinnie,berrian,klinsaser, and shift winfield back to saftey. I think he would solve A big problem back there. Griffen and Cook and allen, should be ok, But grabb a good CB, in four and a kicker in five (neb, kicker. STUD)

  50. By Frederick Jones on Apr 5, 2011 | Reply

    @Mike B.,

    I gave you and everyone else a chance to knock Joe Webb.

    NO ONE was up to that challenge ! ! !

    Which means JOE WEBB IS A GREAT QUARTERBACK ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

  51. By Frederick Jones on Apr 5, 2011 | Reply


    I agree the Vikings should not draft a quarterback this year.

    Why make a Detroit Lions Rookie Quarterback out of him?

  52. By Frederick Jones on Apr 5, 2011 | Reply

    @Mike B.

    Do not just say the player isn’t good.

    Why isn’t he good? What does he do well?
    What skills does he lack?

    Do not just say, “well, the coach doesn’t talk about him.”
    There may be LOTS of reasons for that strategy.

  53. By wacky on Apr 5, 2011 | Reply

    trade peterson and webb and the hole staff for the green bay packers! they know how to win the dang thing!

  54. By wacky on Apr 5, 2011 | Reply

    the vikings don’t care what anyone on this form thinks! they will not win the big one this year or next or after next. look at green bay.. they are on the rise and we are below the lions.. lol… vikings are just going to ware the legs off peterson and thats it. peterson if you read this, i would leave the vikings as soon as you can!!!

  55. By Jeremy on Apr 5, 2011 | Reply

    Hey Wacky, I would agree with your last entry if Chilly was still here. He is not, however. I have been voting for Peterson, also Lance!

  56. By JIm M on Apr 5, 2011 | Reply

    I’ve been against taking a QB high in the dradft. They seem to get big bonus money and to me are a high risk proposition. A satistic, since 1998 of the 35 first round draft QB’s only 16 or 18 have started 8 or more games the first season. Mathew Stafford is a good example. Great QB, poor line, how many games has he been in the last two years. Conventional wisdom says that you build the lines first. Some will argue the d-line some the o-line. We need help in both places. I’m for any trade that gives us the most help in these two areas. AP and Gephert can run the ball. TJ or Webb can be the QB. I don’t care which and maybe in time either might work out. We take a qb in the later rounds this year or next, or both. I look at all the good qb’s in the league that were not first round picks. Let’s face it, we’re going to be a mediocre team for several years to come and we’ve got a lot of rebuilding to do.

  57. By JIm M on Apr 5, 2011 | Reply

    Sorry I need to learn how to spell.

  58. By Jerry W on Apr 5, 2011 | Reply

    There are a lot of options they can explore. I always like to see extra picks especially when you don’t move down a lot and still probably get a player you wanted, so that option would be fine with me. Or maybe there is a player they really want and if he is sitting there at #12 they will jump on it. As always, draft day will be interesting!

  59. By chefjon on Apr 5, 2011 | Reply

    another trade possibility: The Vikings have their sights set on Jake Locker, but he is selected at #10 by Washington (lots of rumored interest), or he’s not selected by Washington, and they believe they can move down and get him, a trade with Tampa Bay at #20, where the Bucs could then jump ahead of Detroit and select Prince Amukamara, if available of course, given the need at CB with Aquib Talib’s problems, and Detroit’s rumored interest in Amukamara. Stickin it to Detroit, win-win for the bucs and vikes…

  60. By Kev on Apr 5, 2011 | Reply

    agree with the trading down for more picks, as said earlier, wouldn’t give up on our oline just yet. Childress wanted to zone block and these guys that we have are maullers, pick someone and run over them, so with the new coaches it’s going to be interesting. not saying not to draft for future oline. hopefully our cb’s can stay healthy, but need to cut costs and dump M Williams. cba needs to get figured out NOW…….

  61. By xvike on Apr 5, 2011 | Reply

    If you don’t take a qb in the first or second rounds, where do you take them Jim M?? What’s the statistic of low round qb picks becoming all-pro’s or franchise qb’s since 1988?? 1/50? (tom brady) The fact is, drafting qb’s in the early rounds may be risky, but those qb’s have a greater chance of becoming franchise qb’s and superstars than the qb’s drafted in the later rounds. Besides, any high draft pick can turn out to be a bust, not just a qb who is taken high. It’s just that the qb position happens to be the most important position, so when a young qb doesn’t perform well of live up to his expectations, he receives the most criticism. Receivers, linemen, Defensive backs, safeties, etc., are just as risky as qb’s so i don’t understand why people say taking a qb high is so much of a higher risk than taking a player at another position.

  62. By Kev on Apr 5, 2011 | Reply

    If the vikes draft QB, let Webb compete and if he doesn’t work move him back to wr. He has more potential than BBerrian. Couple him with SRice and PHarvin, Shank with AP in the backfield. just a thought

  63. By Titus on Apr 5, 2011 | Reply

    @ Shawn and Parody– Brees may have personally played well, but one still has to wonder– the Superbowl Champs lost to Seattle in their first playoff game– a team with a 7-9 record– the first losing record to hold a division title. Seems Brees may not have completely escaped the “curse.” Just a thought–

  64. By Titus on Apr 5, 2011 | Reply

    @ Fred– I could have been serving meals. No, you know where I was serving. Come on Fred Jones– you are better than that!

  65. By frank on Apr 5, 2011 | Reply

    My opinion for the drafT:
    4. OL…LT
    5 S
    6. WR
    6. CB
    7 S
    7 OLB


  66. By Nick on Apr 5, 2011 | Reply

    Certainly we should look to trade down rather than trade up, in terms of value makes the most logical sense. Think a QB in the first is too big a risk and would like to see us take J.J. Watt in the first. Due to CBA we may have to take a QB in the second like Locker, Kaepernik or Mallet, whoever is on the board. When will some of you realise that Joe Webb is NOT the answer as the signal caller – he was only picked as a speculative developmental project, mainly a WR.

  67. By Parody on Apr 5, 2011 | Reply

    I say keep speculating…some people pass judgement way too early…

  68. By Paul Hillman on Apr 5, 2011 | Reply

    Possibility #4

    Trade this years no #12 pick for 2012 #1 overall pick and get Andrew Luck!! That would be the best move the Vikings could do.

  69. By JIm M on Apr 5, 2011 | Reply

    xvike, I don’t believe we have an oline that can help a younq qb. Look what happened to
    Stafford. The stats about qb starts were not mine, but were on the NFL network. Mike Mayock and Charlie Casserly along with others on the NFL channel believe this QB class is not very strong. Probably the best two qb’s will be gone by the 12th round. If we trade up to get one, we’d have nothing left.

  70. By xvike on Apr 5, 2011 | Reply

    And that is why we will have two mobile qb’s if we draft Locker. Locker is used to getting pressure all the time anyway because the oline at washington was horrible. Now if we draft mallet, then there’s a good chance he’ll end up like stafford.

  71. By Mike B on Apr 5, 2011 | Reply

    @Fred I didn’t say anything against Webbs ability at QB as I don’t have to Coach Fraizer already has the doubts or he wouldn’t be looking for the guy. I don’t need to form my own opinion just as with TJack the cards are dealt I just point out what is obvious. I do think that Webb should have a chance to compete against other QBs brought in, but the doubt is already there.

  72. By Mike B on Apr 5, 2011 | Reply

    Webb is a wildcat option type player and I think he would be effective in that role. I think that is why they drafted him last year. I think Webb is better wildcat player than Harvin is. Harvin is proving to have the stuff to catch the ball in the middle of the field and make things happen after the catch. Good stuff.

  73. By Ricky on Apr 5, 2011 | Reply

    Great content…. would like to reinforce the Idea of picking Alex Henery, Henery the 8th I am I am, in the 5th round. will solve both Kicking(both again field goals, and kick-offs,, and punting, and he is great at both of them…….

    I predict that Henery will be a draft pick for the Vikings this year.

  74. By crazyviking on Apr 5, 2011 | Reply

    IF the vikings go for a QB (i dont feel is needed) they’ll need to trade up to get Gabbert. If not then there is no point in drafting QB. Webb is going to good just needs time and with the lockout there could be no training camp/preseason so sticking with Webb who at least knows the most of the coachs, players and plays (could change) is the way to go. i want to see a stud OL or WR picked at 12. i think forget about QB and get as meny picks as they can

  75. By Sue G Vikes 4 Ever on Apr 5, 2011 | Reply

    Hey Guys, If history has anything to do with it…As long as we have AP and/or Rice and Harvin, the Wilfs are going for a championship team. They are demanding a new stadium and to get that they need a winning team. I see them trading….possibly for high draft picks for Kolb. I amy be crazy, but I see them trading for a vet QB.

  76. By Titus on Apr 5, 2011 | Reply

    state the obvious

  77. By garyson1 on Apr 6, 2011 | Reply

    a quarterback at all cost mind frame will kill the vikings in the end. The O-line is falling apart and the blind side will kill any quarterback we get, the D-line is porous with no rush and it showed last year and the D-backs sucked again. we need all the picks we can get!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  78. By Karl on Apr 6, 2011 | Reply

    I don’t know if someone has already asked this question yet or not, but how can we have a list of trade possibilities without trading up? I’m not saying that it’s the best option, but it still should be considered. I agree that needlessly throwing away picks to get a QB would kill us for years to come, but we certainly need OUR GUY. The question mark at QB killed us throughout the Childress era. I’m just glad Frazier was smart enough to realize that.

  79. By Parody on Apr 6, 2011 | Reply

    Don’t jump the gun, Karl. Frazier sounds like he realizes that, but we won’t know how true that is until we see what he does about it, both in the draft and (once the CBA is resolved) in free agency. It may even take a few years after this off-season to understand just how well Frazier realizes that.

    Childress got his young QB nice and early in his career with the Vikes, but he never truly tried to find another young option for that QB after he started showing that he wasn’t working out.

  80. By James on Apr 7, 2011 | Reply

    Bigfan1 must be the only one in the nation thinking Newton was the best player in the draft(is not rated in the top 10 of a value board).Most say P.Peterson was the best in CF and i think everyone else has him the best player in the draft.So with all said take someone worthy of a #12 pick, use free agency when it starts,maybe even trade a pick from next year to get younger.But really Cam Newton.

  81. By James on Apr 7, 2011 | Reply

    Cam Newton was not regarded as the best player in CF and getting a trophy does not let him have that. To many players have a NFL style of play than him.he might be a good back up some day.

  82. By joshK on Apr 7, 2011 | Reply

    trade our 12 pick for patriots 17th and swap our 43rd pick for their 28th or 33rd.
    pickup an OL with the 17th pick and S Raheeme Moore. 2 Huge needs and great value at these spots. NO QBs they alll are not worth risk for a draft pick. get marc Bulger, matt flynn, john kitna. i do think we should draft a QB next year though

  83. By joshK on Apr 7, 2011 | Reply

    dont trade with broncos.. last year we traded out of the 1st round and that was our worst draft of the decade. plz god not 2 years in a row, we have so many good options that one is bad.

  84. By joshK on Apr 7, 2011 | Reply

    what time does the draft start?

  85. By jason on Apr 7, 2011 | Reply

    If Rice leaves there is a good chance they will draft Julio Jones @#12 if he is still on the Board…..and if rice resigned with MN even better…Rice, Jones on the edge and Harvin in the slot WOW!!!
    Vikings will wait to take Ponder or Dalton in the 2nd, or possibly trade away next years draft for Kolb! I honestly wouldnt be surprised if there isnt some kind of “agreement” worked out for Kolb already between MN and Philly….id also bet money that “pre-shipping” arrangments havent been made on a QB or 2 in Denver. Frasier dont want a Denver QB though, but Kolb’s very interesting having been under Reids pass heavy West Coast offense for years. But any trades or “agreements” would have to of course be for next years picks due to the lock out….but just because of the lock out it dont mean that back room deals havent taken place….come on this is America, get real nowadays covering up crimes and misdeamenors is what the American Dream is all about!

  86. By James on Apr 8, 2011 | Reply

    Mr.F.Jones i do believe you are right on Joe Webb,he is very talented and i would love to see him win the starting job next season.Anyone thinking a QB. in this draft could compete with Webb has to watch more of the experts on tv….Vikes need to bring in a vet QB. to help Webb along and get a QB. next year at our late teens pick.

  87. By James on Apr 8, 2011 | Reply

    I don’t know how many vikings fans know how many sacks the best DT. in the nfl had last year but i do.K.W. of our Minn. Vikings had a whopping one.You put a Cam Jordon on the end and K.W. goes back up to over 8 or more.So would G.Camarillo’s punt returns go up or maybe the over 9 yards per-return goes up. T.Gerhart was 4th on the team for total yards outsideQ.B.pos.,Moss out did G.Lewis and G.L. was with M.V. all year.C.Cook out did L.Sheppard and C.C. was a rookie and hurt most of the season.Webb was a low round pick and started a few games.So really does that seem like a bad draft sitting at 30th, they did great.Def. coach needs a def.player.

  88. By wezo on Apr 8, 2011 | Reply

    All I know, if Julio Jones falls to tha 12th spot Spielman and company better take him.
    Resign Edwards and Rice.2nd round draft speedy corners that can catch and make plays in tha kicking game.O-line is next followed by tha next best available player.Get back 2 team ball,not favre ball by listening 2 these analyst thinking we’re in dire need of a QB.

  89. By James on Apr 8, 2011 | Reply

    Wezo that is well worth thinking about and would be nice…..Then go after a great FA player and try for the north……Jones does have very good value if he comes to #12,,,, that the vikes might try for extra pick by trading out of #12 and try to resign Rice.

  90. By Joe C on Apr 10, 2011 | Reply

    that is funny stuff – maybe the o line can yell jump and webb can avoid the defenders – why can’t we get a coach to teach those big highway cone tackles how to play!!! For a guy that was drafted so high why does Mckinney get spanked every down he is horrible – Loadholt needs to do some sled drills so when they run to his side Peterson gets positive yards instead of being pushed back 5 yards

  91. By Joe C on Apr 10, 2011 | Reply

    Brett – Jump I missed my block oops!!!

  92. By Joe C on Apr 10, 2011 | Reply

    Tavaris – Jump I missed my block oops!!

  93. By Joe C on Apr 10, 2011 | Reply

    Hey phil you want to get somefin to eat

  94. By Joe C on Apr 10, 2011 | Reply

    Hey Mckinney all dis missing is gettin me hungry

  95. By snapscan touch on Aug 6, 2011 | Reply

    Thk snapscan touch

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