Some Good, Some Bad With 1st Team Offense

Posted by Mike Wobschall on August 29, 2010 – 2:45 pm

The Vikings came away from Saturday night’s preseason game against the Seattle Seahawks with a 24-13 victory thanks to a 4th-quarter offensive surge that included a pair of TD drives led by QBs Sage Rosenfels and Joe Webb. But being that it was the team’s 3rd preseason game, much of the post-game analysis is centered on assessing how the starting unit looked.

So let’s assess.

Vikings Head Coach Brad Childress said it the best, telling reporters during his post-game press conference that his offense remains “in flux.”

“It’s no different than my answer to you the other day; it is still in flux,” Childress said. “There’s moving parts, there are parts that are still being added. Whether it’s the quarterback just getting here a couple of weeks ago, whether it’s (Greg) Camarillo just getting here or Percy (Harvin) coming back or that offensive line playing all-together. It’s still in flux.  There’s still a lot of work to do.”

Taking into account Childress’ quote and the fact that Minnesota’s 1st-team offense tallied just 10 points in 2+ quarters, the assessment could justifiably be fairly negative. QB Brett Favre was 16 of 26 for 187 yards, but he had no TD passes, 2 INTs (one of which was a tipped pass) and a lost fumble.

But an objective assessment of the 1st-team’s performance also yields some positives. Although Childress also said during his press conference that he’d like the offense to be more explosive, Favre and Co. did register 5 explosive plays – 4 passes and 1 run (an explosive play is a run of 12+ yards and a reception of 16+ yards). The Vikings also converted their first 4 third-down tries, which enabled them to move the ball. The Vikings drove 34 yards in 3 plays on the 1st series, 65 yards on 16 plays on the 2nd series, 38 yards in 3 plays on the 3rd series and 66 yards on 13 plays in the 5th series. While the offense needs to convert those drives into more points, it’s still a positive sign that they were able to sustain drives and pick up big chunks of yardage.

“Yeah, we would have liked to score more,” Favre said after the game. “[We] turned the ball over. [There is] a lot of stuff on film that we can learn from. We obviously are not hitting on all cylinders yet, but overall I was pleased. I think I had 26 passes. I thought I threw the ball well for the most part.”

A few other positive signs included Adrian Peterson’s 24-yard TD dash, seeing WR Percy Harvin (2 rec. for 30 yards) back on the field and in a good mood after the game, Greg Camarillo contributing in big situations and Javon Walker’s acrobatic TD grab in the 2nd half.

So the 1st-team offense finished its work on Saturday night with mixed reviews. The main concerns going forward are shoring up the offensive line play, eliminating costly penalties and dropped passes and finding a way to get Peterson and the ground game going to keep opposing defenses off-balance.

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43 Responses to “Some Good, Some Bad With 1st Team Offense”

  1. By kw on Aug 29, 2010 | Reply

    just throw to camaerillo and shaincos. favre will be fine

  2. By Scott Michael on Aug 29, 2010 | Reply

    Doubt BF will have a MVP (4th) like last year,with teams going his ankle(OL has to to go all out, Rice out half the season,Percy staying healthy,new receivers learning the system,including Walker,but he knows and likes BF,AP

  3. By Thomas Wernet on Aug 29, 2010 | Reply

    Let’s just chill out and be realistic, Brett played well and his arm looked as strong as ever. I still have a little problem with the offensive line, they need to do a better job. Great performance if you know the game and can look between the lines. Brad needs to chill and get his own kinks out of his old aching bones, lol… Tighten up the line and everything will be fine !!

    Bigg Tommy

  4. By Derick on Aug 29, 2010 | Reply

    Walker is familar with the system from his days in the bay. It wont take him long to get caught up to the nuances of our brand. I think the test is how can he still compete physically due to some surgeries. He seems to still have some life left after seeing some of his routes and that TD catch.
    On another note REYNAUD needs to get more action in this first team offense. He is a great pass catching back. Harvin Reynaud Peterson Shanicoe Camirillo will make this offense dynamic. Berrian CATCH those heaters coming right between your numbers! Or go deep and block for one of the backs busting into the secondary.

  5. By Scott Michael on Aug 29, 2010 | Reply

    Doubt BF will have a MVP (4th) like last year,with teams going his ankle(OL has to to go all out, Rice out half the season,Percy staying healthy,new receivers learning the system,including Walker,but he knows and likes BF,AP holding on to the rock,thinking that his massive arms will take care of it(heard he has carrying
    20 lbs thinking this will help…sorry AP, but holding the ball in the correct am on the proper sideline might help..this is college),knowing guys like smart guys like Mattthhews iin GB knows the trick),we got Berrian,Lewis,Shiancoe,Camarillo.,rookies…who are we kidding? The defense is still great and of their OL can keep Fave upright…who knows? But I think that if GB stays healthy, they will win the NFC north. Rodgers is is right there with Manning and Manny is too happy with the new ref position giving him less time to do his gyrations!

  6. By Bruce on Aug 29, 2010 | Reply

    Thanks for the vote of confidence Scott Michael, now go back to you Packer board.

  7. By Bruce on Aug 29, 2010 | Reply

    Here’s the deal in simple terms. We got great receivers with great potential. Just run your routes and don’t slow up because Brett figures you are running and not stopping. The O-line needs to STAY ON THEIR ASSIGNED GUY, no jumping off to help another guy and then letting your guy deck your quarterback. Defense is playing soundly but needs more intensity on the D-line. Lastly, PLEASE BRAD, no more running run plays in the red sone if they don’t produce after two tries. That really sucked all the hard work and that long drive and coming up with NO POINTS and then handing the ball over after FOUR RUN PLAYS! I think the Vikings will go all the way if they can fix these things.

  8. By Rogerthevikefan on Aug 29, 2010 | Reply

    Reynaud over young he can block and catch plus he can make people miss. He only lacks top end speed but he is elusive.

  9. By SDakotaKid on Aug 29, 2010 | Reply

    Everyone talking about the Vikes tough schedule. With a championship defense and Brett Farve and Adrian Peterson playing, BRING ‘EM ON! Who cares who the wideouts are!

  10. By Zeke on Aug 29, 2010 | Reply

    I think this game showed many things. Obviously Brett needs MUCH better protection from the guys up front. Camarillo will help the Vikes alot! That was a great trade for us. I think that Sage has proven twice already this preseason that he should be Brett’s backup. Trading him would be a foolish move for us. Joe Webb… I mean look at this kid, a full year behind Brett and this kid has the potential to be an excellent QB for the Vikes! I think if we kept Sage, and Webb learns all he can from Brett this year, he can learn even more from Sage when Brett does retire. Let’s face it, on the sideline, who is always talking to Brett looking for pointers and picking his brain? SAGE. He has and will continue to learn from Brett because he WANTS to. T-Jack does not do this at all hardly. We need to keep Sage! T-Jack can help out someone else at QB. We should give serious thought to improving the O-line though. Percy.. great game! Camarillo, great game too! Calling 4 running plays in red zone, foolish and hopefully will not happen anymore. We also NEED to make sure Reynaud makes the team. This kid brings alot to the table and his abilities will make us even better. Keep the faith fellow Vikes fans.. we DO have a great taam and we will improve when it counts! GO VIKES!

  11. By Derick on Aug 29, 2010 | Reply

    Hutch is the best! Great block on that A.P. touchdown.

  12. By Bruce on Aug 29, 2010 | Reply

    Great observation about Sage Zeke, you are right, Sage has a lot more interaction with Brett and it showed this last game.

  13. By Bruce on Aug 29, 2010 | Reply

    Mike I agree with you about getting the ground game going with AP but in a different way. I say he stays in the back field which brings the defenders in close, but the have Brett fake the handoff and pass to AP just past the line of scrimmage. AP seems to pick more yards that way versus the typical handoff. Plus it accomplishes keeping 8 guys in the box. It’s a win win situation.

  14. By HuskerVikingFan on Aug 29, 2010 | Reply

    Keep Sage Rosenfels!

    @Zeke: I totally agree with you.

    Keep Sage Rosenfels!

    All things considered from last nights game, I’m feeling a lot better today then I was this past Monday morning after the SF game. Camarillo is phenomenal! Reynaud is phenomenal! Walker will be great. Great job Cook – look to see more first team action. Sage is phenomenal! – which will be CRUCIAL this year. Sage is a STRATEGIC ASSET.

    Keep Sage Rosenfels!

    This year, 2010, could be the absolutely hands-down best chance that the Vikings have to win it all. SAGE ROSENFELS IS AN IMMENCELY CRITICAL ELEMENT IN ORDER FOR THAT TO HAPPEN!

    Keep Sage Rosenfels!

    I have really been pulling for Tavaris Jackson to pull out and showcase the talent I know he has but, at this moment in time, he just hasn’t found a way to turn his blood into ice water at game time. I admit that I have been proven wrong in my heretofore expectations of Jackson.

    Keep Sage Rosenfels!

    Sage Rosenfels has clearly demonstrated that he can step in after Brett, and with the rest of the offense, he can keep moving the ball down field smoothly without getting the rest of the team out of rythm. Sage has demonstrated the talent AND the mental ability to smoothly assume running the offense.

    Keep Sage Rosenfels!

    Webb is showing he possesses a calmness in the pocket that Tavaris Jackson has not been able to demonstrate to this point in time. Vikings must keep Joe Webb as their project to develop. I think he will develop much quicker then other similarly young, raw talent in that position.

    Keep Sage Rosenfels!

    IF a quaterback has to be cut, then from a business standpoint, the decision unfortunately must be made to cut Tavaris Jackson.

    Keep Sage Rosenfels!


  15. By fmfan on Aug 29, 2010 | Reply

    we are getting blitzed alot so yes they are getting to our QB. When the QB sees a blitz coming he needs to throw sooner and not pump fake first.

  16. By fmfan on Aug 29, 2010 | Reply

    keep Sage are you kidding? He only plays against 2nd-3rd stringers.

  17. By Bigfan1 on Aug 29, 2010 | Reply

    The Vikes need to sharpen up and kick the dust off and get down to business if they plan on making a run this year. I don’t hold any stock in preseason, but they do look rusty on all fronts. I would let Tavaris go and sign Webb and Rosenfel. I think if Webb develops his presence on the NFL field he could be a very good quarterback. Denver is going to be a good test next week.

  18. By evalu8er on Aug 29, 2010 | Reply

    ScottMichael: Do you have to keep repeating yourself like we can’t read. Negativity is really not going to help. None of us has a crystal ball, so let’s visualize WINNING. we have an abundance of weapons and they will fall in place.

    And Brett, don’t put so much pressure on yourself. You got what the Vikings need and they do have the talent you need. Now if they just block for you you will be just as good, if not better, as last year. Or, good enough to get to the SB.

  19. By Anthony on Aug 29, 2010 | Reply

    Cant wait to see what we get when we trade Sage. Maybe well get a bag of peanuts, and a a peanut butter and jelly sandwich on wheat bread, chocolate milk to drink. We traded a 5th round pick for him, he hasnt seen game action since we got him. You can slurp him all you want, numbers say T-jack more TDs then INTs, more yards less years. Numbers say – Sage more ints then tds, 31 years old, 10 years in league hasnt ascended to being a starter. Numbers say, Tjack can make more plays with his legs. Tjack is younger, hes more agile, brings more to the table including a rocket arm, and the knowledge that hes gotten better every year. He came from a small college, hes now getting it. Give him a break, sage has had 10 years, he still hasnt gotten it. End of story. You cant teach a 31 yr old dog new tricks.

  20. By Woodboat on Aug 29, 2010 | Reply

    I have a hard time giving any serious thought to which back-up QBs the Vikes decide to keep. T. Jackson takes to long to recognize when a receiver is going to come loose, and his accuracy is questionable at times, but he can make plays with his legs. Sage Rosenfels makes some pretty poor decisions and his accuracy is shakey, but he seems to keep his cool somewhat better than Jackson. I’ve heard that Webb is having trouble with the mental aspect of the game in practice, and he doesn’t seem to have any physical attributes that far outway Jacksons. What makes you think he’ll be any better than Jackson is? Frankly, I don’t think it matters which 2 of the 3 the Vikes keep. If Farve goes down, I think we can kiss our Superbowl hopes goodbye regardless of which of these stiffs is riding in the co-pilot seat.

  21. By Carl K on Aug 30, 2010 | Reply

    Rodgerthevikefan – I agree, reynaud over young.
    Woodboat – Webb is faster 4.44 to Jackson 4.75. Joe is bigger and strong than Tjack. They both have great arms. I like what I see in Webb.

  22. By Carl K on Aug 30, 2010 | Reply

    Sage might be able to manage a game better than Tjack. That might be his only advantage at this point.

  23. By John-Karl on Aug 30, 2010 | Reply

    Get ride os Jackson
    Keep favre,Sage & Webb

  24. By Eugene on Aug 30, 2010 | Reply

    I do notice Sage has more interaction with Favre and it is paying off I would keep Favre, Rosenfels, and Webb as our QB’s. We don’t care who has an MVP season its all about the Lombardi trophy we need it that’s all so to that clown who is saying Brett Favre won’t have an MVP season zip it please because Favre ain’t trying to have an MVP season he has nothing else to prove he said himself its about the guys and making a run for the SuperBowl that’s it so let’s go Vikings let’s finish it!!

  25. By MiamiJer on Aug 30, 2010 | Reply

    I think that the Minnie “O” is too predictable for most defenses this year, which may be why they want to use Petersen more this season than last. But the big question is whether or not Adrian can protect the ball and not turn it over.

    Brett’s lack of presence during training camp is showing in his preseason performance. He needs to hit the weight room and work on conditioning.

    Maybe Chilly should take some plays out of the old “Cunningham to Moss” play-book to open up the field and get the BIG plays. I think that it would help the Vike’s O if Favre aired out the ball more often down field by spreading out D’s. Harvin may have the speed necessary to get the separation down field…

  26. By GOLDVIKE on Aug 30, 2010 | Reply

    has anyone heard if cook’s knee is ok. keep t-jack let sage go!!!

  27. By Robins on Aug 30, 2010 | Reply

    Brett did good for his first game this year. You can’t count last weeks game. Sage did really good too. Get rid of Jackson. I like Webb better. Protect Brett if you want to win! McKinnie needs to protect Brett or retire!

  28. By bucfan99 on Aug 30, 2010 | Reply

    Ditto, keep Sage. If anybody needs to go it’s TJack, who has shown virtually nothing this preseason despite getting a start with the first team OL. Also, Sage would require less adjustment in play calls because he’s a pocket passer with a strong, reasonably accurate arm–not as good as Brett, of course, but more compatible than TJack.

  29. By GOLDVIKE on Aug 30, 2010 | Reply


  30. By CLSNO3 on Aug 30, 2010 | Reply

    I AGREE with Bruce & Zeke…why does Childress keep calling for run after run in the redzone. Did he not learn from last years NFC Championship game? Don’t put Favre or any quarterback in the position where they have to make a biug play or the series is over. GO for it early…don’t just keep running when there is nothing there. Let Brett be the go to guy early then get the extra yards on the next two plays. Come on Childress, go for it early don’t consistantly wait! Soem bad play selection had a major impact on the outcome of last years NFC championship. Don’t repeat the same mistakes!!!!!

    I also agree that SAGE is the back-up quarterback. He shows that he is trying to learn from a legend. Why would anyone not be soaking up as much knowledge as they could from Brett Favre??? What gives Mr Jackson? Sage is level headed and confident.

    GO VIKINGS….You guys can do it. This is the year. Go get them.

  31. By Bleedin Purple on Aug 30, 2010 | Reply

    Keep Favre (obviously) and Webb. Too much raw talent to let him go and have someone else develop him. I’m still undecided on Tjack and Sage. TJ’s series against Seattle was horrible play calling… No PA. Every thing in his series was telegraphed. Run, Run, Obvious pass. I felt like they set him up for failure. Then Sage’s first play was Play Action for a big gain.

    That being said I think the game vs. Denver will be the deciding factor for Sage and TJ. I have always been on TJ’s side I think he has great potential I just don’t feel like he has been able to unlock it. If he can step up this week then he has a stronger case for us to keep him, but as it stand ATM I’m leaning towards cutting him. I think his ego won’t allow him to go practice squad.

  32. By Ryan on Aug 30, 2010 | Reply

    One way or the other the Vikings have two extremely potent weapons. Don’t think for a second that the Vikings offense wont be one of the elite in the league. Not to mention the Vikings defense; they added some depth at CB in the offseason with Chris Cook and Lito Sheppard, plus a healthy E.J Henderson. Look for more picks from the Vikings defense this year which can only help the Vikings offense.

  33. By TKO on Aug 30, 2010 | Reply

    The Million Dollar QB Question? Jackson only played a few plays but once again he looked panicked and lost. Couldn’t even float a little screen pass with any accuracy. His great legs? Yes, and he will need em if he can’t keep cool and let plays develope. Sage looked pretty good in my opinion. Who cares what string he played against. Does anyone really believe the guys fighting for a spot on the team aren’t giving it there all. Webb? Not alot seen of him yet but the little we have seen is promising in “my opinion” In the end it seems like Childress just refuses to give up on Jackson for whatever reason. I agree with several others on here, if Brett gets hurt and we let Sage go, we are in trouble. Go Vikes!!

  34. By rod rin on Aug 30, 2010 | Reply

    old brett is back good.. lets get old man carter back for one more year…

  35. By rod rin on Aug 30, 2010 | Reply

    Old man carter one more year.Hes still as good as any WR in the NFL….

  36. By rod rin on Aug 30, 2010 | Reply

    MR.Cris Carter#80 for the ones who never heard of him.If nothing else bring him back as a WR coach…

  37. By chris on Aug 31, 2010 | Reply

    you guys have to cut albert young. the guy has only 53 yards out of 3 games. thats brutal even for preseason. make gerhart number 2 . why not pickup a veteran at number 3 or use darius reynaud? hes a demon on special teams,. use him as a 3rd down back. the best would be to release him to another team.

  38. By john on Aug 31, 2010 | Reply

    i never see the wildcat formation in the vikes offense. minnesota has an outstanding coaching staff and theres room for new plays to be used. if you use jackson for the wildcat, the guy has good abilities and is a speed runner. not only would it confuse the heck out of the defense for the other team, it would up be a plus for offense. it would be good also if they lateral the ball once in awhile or do some fake out plays. go vikes!!

  39. By joe on Aug 31, 2010 | Reply

    release young.try finding a runningback like darren sproles or ryan matthews type

  40. By Blake on Aug 31, 2010 | Reply

    Trade Berrian. He never does anything right:

    -Bobbled ball for pick
    -Dropped perfect deep throw (a few plays before 2nd interception)
    -Missed a block that got harvin lit up
    -Dropped another pass.

    What is this guy good for? He might have some trade value if the other team has not watched him the recently

  41. By Douglas Que on Sep 2, 2010 | Reply

    T.J. Houshmandzadeh is available . The Seahawks are looking to get rid of him. Should the Vikings invest in him?

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