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Dealing With Dissension

Posted by Mike Wobschall on December 21, 2009 – 12:45 pm

It’s normal for negativity and dissension to cluster among a team’s fan base and media contingent following a loss. But with the manner in which the Vikings lost on Sunday night and with the opportunity that existed for the Vikings had they moved to 12-2, the team is getting an extra large helping of negativity and dissension.

Instead of celebrating a 2nd consecutive NFC North title, the fan base is worried about Philadelphia catching the Vikings for the NFC’s #2 seed. Instead of assessing Brett Favre’s chances of winning the MVP, the media is talking about a heated discussion on the sideline between the QB and head coach Brad Childress.

All of it is legitimate concern, too. So now the Vikings must deal with the dissension and find a way to move forward.

The first step in doing that has already happened – the team has returned to Winter Park for their normal treatment and training regimen following a game. Later today there will be a team meeting and then Childress will address the media at approximately 3:00 p.m.

It will be interesting to hear what Childress has to say, especially regarding the reports that he tried to bench Favre in the 3rd quarter.

With all of that said, it’s also important to remember the Vikings are an 11-3 football team.


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135 Responses to “Dealing With Dissension”

  1. By CA Norwegian on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    Houston we have a skism! Favre should sit when things are not working and the clock is ticking. With our defense, we can win games with rushing and scrambling of T-jack under heavy pass rush pressure. Perhaps this was what coach was thinking too. A scramble is better than a pass when the rush is quick and the QB is dead. Happy young feet can buy more time for receivers to break open or give you a thrid and short by scrambling upfield. Brett has been good medicne for Minneota, but I would start Jackson as a form of disciplinary action for insubordination. We love Brett and let Brett Favre be who Brett Favre is, but Let the coach be the coach, Brett.

  2. By Arnie Kuhn on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    The Vikes should hunt down Mike Tice and hire him as the new offensive line coach.

  3. By BeeCharmer on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    I think a skism is in the making. Lord Favre at it again. He tried to rule the Pack but they were too smart and won’t let him. That’s part of the reason you’ve got em. Have fun, it’s just a matter of time before he breaks your little hearts. It’s all about him and his stats. When he’s not happy look outtttttttttt! Glad he’s your problem now

  4. By TomGundy on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    Agree! Favre’s streak is not as important as Vikings doing as well as they can thru the playoffs. Favre is on loaded team, and he doesn’t have to lead them, just be a part of the team. TJack would have rolled away better from Peppars.

  5. By BeeCharmer on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    Oh, I forgot to say, he tried to rule the Jets too. Almost forgot he was a Jet. Smart how he got himself to get released by the Jets so he could be come a Vike. He was planning this for over two years. He does not fool everyone.

  6. By Travis on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    Classic Favre – like many weapons he is a double edged blade, you can’t have the good Favre without his character flaws too.

    Happy counseling, the honeymoon is over.

  7. By wisvikefan4 on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    Sorry BeeUnCharmer, FAIL in all respects. Gee with all of Brett’s planning as you seem to think, he wouldn’t have any time to play football. And why is it ALWAYS Brett’s fault when his team loses? Try looking at the Oline last night, for starters! Oh gee, look again at the playcalling, how predictable! Sorry, but when AD can’t get over 40 yds per game, better look at your blocking, not just Brett, just because you’re a hater. There’s a lot more blame to go around, starting with the coaching staff too! By the way, no matter how much you want Brett to fail and a “schism” to start, you FAIL because this team is bigger and better than to fall for blaming one person, something you’re not capable of.

  8. By Patrick on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    The problem for the Vikings is not Favre but the lack of a running game. The vikings have AP 6-7 yards deep in the backfield and the opposing defense has time to key on AP. It’s no secret when the vikings have AP in a single back formation 6 yards deep, what kind of a play they will run; duh. The vikings have relied solely on Brett to win games and that is not fair for Brett. When you play away from the metrodome we have to establish a running game and we have not been able to do that in any or the recent games. If you were true vikings fans you would know that we are under .500 when we play away on natural surfaces; our guys are turfmen. Childress and the coaching staff have to find a way to keep this team together. This is Brett’s team not TJ’s and if vikings fans want a chance to win in the post season they better stick with Brett. We could pull a Wade Phiillips of the Buffalo Bills and bench Farve like he benched Doug Flutie in favor of aka Johnson for the post season. Does anyone remember the result of that move?? Its time for all you Brett haters to get over your green resentments and smell the coffee. How do you think TJ will do in the post season against the Eagles? or Packers?

  9. By Sean on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    Hey Eagles/cincinati die hard fan here,

    Yes Farve did act out and maybe childish but that is a sign of being a leader trying to lead your team to victory and Coach Childress tried to bench farve when you were up 7-6.. I dont know what to say but really!! you think Jackson is better this isnt LSU? Do you not remember last years playoff game against the Eagles… he couldnt roll out for his life and ate turf.

  10. By GJ on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    If Favre can’t move around in the pocket, Vikings will not go far. The offensive line can not hold the rush very long. Quaterback change? If needed, do it.

  11. By Bob(vike fan from the days of Fran) on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    At age 48 I’ve watched the Vikings and I’ve seen them flounder. This doesn’t rest on any one man’s shoulders… TEAM! Whether you like or dislike #4 he has been and is a great asset to any team. The man brings continuaty not only to the offense, but also to the defense. There is always some drama in any NFL locker room and sideline. But when it really comes to gameday that’s what it is… GAMEDAY! The Vikes have locked themselves into the playoffs by playing solid football almost all season. They will do fine in the playoffs. Whether they win the SuperBowl or not they are still the Vikes, still my team. Whiners go whine about the economy or crooked politicians. I like my Vikes!

  12. By Tony on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    The problem with the Vikings allthought 11-3 is without any doubt coaching and play calling. For example last night before half time we did not use our time outs to stop the clock and get the ball back. Why? Also how many times on first down did we call a running play? They were geared like all our opponents to stop AP so try to set up the run with the pass. Not rocket science except to our coaching staff. Also why not help McKinnie with Peppers dah!

  13. By ibleedpurple on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    I am a firm believer that,”if it’s not broke, don’t fix it.” What I personally saw in this game, and the cardnal game was a lack of movement in the pocket by Favre. He stood there knowing his line wasn’t stopping peppers. While Jackson is a scrambling some-of-a-gun. I think Childress saw it as well. Don’t get me wrong I like Favre. But is he a team player, or a glory hunter? Why couldn’t he admit, he couldn’t get it done, and be willing to try something different? It was broke…and needed fixed. Next time try being a team player Bret

  14. By Fran the Man on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    The biggest problem this team has (And has had for over 3 years) is the head coach. He’s gutless and not good at his job.
    When Favre refused to be taken out, Childress should have had security over to take him out. Or suspend him. He didn’t do anything except say; “Ok Brett, anything you want. Hey, do you need a ride after the game?”

    Seriously though this game has to be put right on our coaching staff.
    We knew going in that McKinney couldn’t handle Peppers, yet Childress left him alone out there and he got owned. Instead of trying to “Change things up” with having Kliensaucer used as a receiver, he should have had him over with McKinney the WHOLE game. They let Steve Smith completely free all game instead of bringing some help over the top for our Corners.
    The guy CAN’T coach and now the whole team knows that he has no control.
    I would love to be a fly on the wall when Brett finally retires and talks about his opinion of Childress after a couple of beers.

    I can’t believe that Wilf, being the astute business man that he is, bought into Childress and gave the guy an extension before he even knew if he could coach, which is painfully obvious that he can’t.

  15. By Sean on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    with # like brett has its hard to just say bring in someone less of a caliber but your self in farve shoes( yes we probably would have retired 3 years ago) but all football player want to win and its hard to cheer on the bench with the awards and stats and skills farve has even tho he is as slow as the manning’s

  16. By Arnie Kuhn on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    The Vikings have a better than average offensive line, but not getting the job done. I think they should track down Mike Tice for the offensive line coach. You can have the best players in the league in that position, but if not coached well, you have nothing. Give Adrian some help!

    Arnie Kuhn

  17. By Viking-ology on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    What a horrible game. But don’t blame Favre, Chilly should not have tried to bench him-that couldn’t have sat well with Favre. Look at his body of work this year, its his game to win or lose. Chilly could have flexed in TJ for a couple of option plays to mix it up a little. The play calling was terribly predictable, the O line got beat all night. But the running game has to get better if the Vikes are going to advance in the playoffs. For the first time this year, I’m worried with what I saw last night. Lets right the ship the next two weeks and get ready to make a strong playoff run. Go Vikings!

  18. By Michael Andre on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    Rice is an amazing receiver to watch, but the fumble was one of the moments that changed the game even after a nice catch initially. I think the team didn’t have the game they wanted to play obviously, but no real concerns from me other than how close this was to the Arizona loss, which should have been the first and ONLY wake-up call needed this late in the season.

  19. By eric on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    all carolina and the cards did was pin their ears back and rush not only the qb but the run also. the o line needs to man up and block someone. stop acting as if this was favres fault and it would have been even more embarssing loss if TJ was in the game gees.

  20. By Mike on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    The O line couldnt block 3 guys the entire night. Two grown men couldn’t even double team Peppers without getting blown into the QB. I like how when things are good Favre doesn’t have much to do with it its “mostly AP”. AP and the O Line got SHUT DOWN. There were some clutch plays that could have been made. One was when Favre evaded a ton of pressure, through the ball and it was dropped. There was a lot of that going on last night. Instead of pulling Favre, why not pull the entire O line? Their effort was DISGUSTING. The big plays that were there were not made and its not all Favres fault. This team had no life in it.

  21. By BrianC on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    I agree with you, Michael. One wake-up call should be enough. I think some of the team (O-Line, I’m looking in YOUR direction!) went in thinking this one would be a gimme. Did the coaching staff fall into this trap too? Who knows. But I’m still looking forward to success. I hope the team takes this as a valuable lesson, that once you’re in the playoffs, ANYONE can take you out, just like THAT! No matter what their record is, or who you thought they were in the regular season. Talent and abilities aren’t enough. You have to do more than WANT to win! You gotta give it everything you got and have a winning spirit. The Vikes certainly didn’t rise up in this game, but I trust the lesson will hit home, The humiliation has got to hurt. They’ll turn it up.

  22. By Ritchie on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    Just a couple of additional thoughts on last night’s game. Yep, Brett was not sharp, and it looks like a slow-motion example of the December Favre fade of the last 5 years. Yep the offensive line just stank. And absolutely the play calling was the most predictable piece of junk in the NFL this weekend. Top shelf talent at running back, no clue to how use it. All of these things need to get better in a hurry for any playoff success. But let’s not overlook how mediocre the defense has been lately. The “Wall of Williams” has looked more like the “wall of winded, slow, out of shape, the last few weeks. Absolutely no run stoppage or QB pressure from them. The linebackers are terribly out of position play after play. And the entire defense must need a refresher on taking good angles and how to tackle a ball carrier. Instead of whining to the officials, the players should concentrate on performing the fundamentals. And the coaching staff needs to improve fast for this team to be anything but another disappointment.

  23. By Paul on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    DEEP BREATHS, VIKINIG FANS.

    Look forward. This loss helped the team more than you will ever know. It also brought the Coach and 40-year old Vet together as never before. They are both competitors. The dust has settled. They’ve had words today. They really learned from this one. That is my hope. Watch the statement they make at Chicago next Monday night.

  24. By wes on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    Does anyone else think that favres arm has weaken,d some of them throws had nothing on them,like one to Taylor…looks like the zip is gone..just like last year.

  25. By Fansince61 on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    Did you see the camera closeup of Steve Smith in the 4th Qtr.? He was standing on the sidelines screaming expletives at the Vikings, mouth wide open, spit flying, like a wild eyed lunatic. He and Peppers were on a mission to humiliate the Vikings. Those two called out our Vikes and we didn’t have an answer. You’ve got to ask why a team going nowhere would play with so much intensity and emotion. You would think a team that does have a shot at the Super Bowl would be the more serious and emotional. As for the game, of course a scrambling QB would have helped. It seems at this point we are stuck with trying to protect Favre and just hoping for the best. Unless Chilly is willing to put his foot down in future games and let T-jack give it a whirl. If the O line continues to phone it in, we may end up finishing with T-jack—- like it or not.

  26. By vikefan4eva on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    I’m fine with people criticizing Chilly and not liking his play calling I’m one of them, but he is the HEAD coach and should be respected. I think Favre has to be careful not to cause division within his own teammates by forcing them to choose sides or them being confused of who really is in charge. Remember without Chilly he wouldn’t even be a Viking.

  27. By Bill Schmidt on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    Don’t blame this all on Favre, although if Childress wanted a change it should have happened. The offensive line hasn’t opened a hole for the last month (exaggeration) but Peppers pushed all three of our biggest guys around like wet noodles on a greasy plate.

  28. By Dave wieczerzak on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    I don’t really see where the vikes have played all that good all season long. Sure they are 11-3 but every game i’ve watched there has been poor tackling so so blocking. With the lines they have and talent they should be beating people up and i just don’t see it and have not been impressed with childress’s coaching since he got there. there were better coaches out there when they hired him and there are better out there now.

  29. By Sadfan on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    Sorry, I was watching through a migraine last night, but I gave up @ 12-7. Listen, whatever you may have to say, at the end of the day this is supposed to be PROFESSIONAL football, and what I saw from my team last night was amateurish. How do you show up to a game and not play? You’re the near invincible Vikings and suddenly you can’t move the ball on the ground or in the air?! Do you really expect me to believe that suddenly the Panthers made up a whole new playbook and now we’re too confused to get anything right? You can’t win all the time, but 26-7 against a 5-8 team? A team that has to win it’s last 3 JUST to hit the 50% mark? Are you kidding? It’s not just Favre, it’s the whole team. I’ll give you Pittsburgh, after all, they’re no slouches, and the Cards have ‘ol Kurt @ the helm, again no slouches, though the Vikes didn’t look like they studied for that one either, but this loss should NEVER have occurred, at least not like it did. We looked like a deer in the headlights last night. I remember the Moon days, and the Moss days, and what we need is consistency, not a revisit of those rollercoaster years. Yeah, the O-line needs work. There’s no way that they shouldn’t be opening lanes for AP and Taylor, but that’s the only way you hold AP to just 3/carry, but don’t blame it all on them, there were 26 pts on the other side of the board too, so what’s with the D. As a coach I can tell you that there’s nothing you can do if the players didn’t come to play, and that’s what I saw. Maybe they didn’t take it seriously and figured that the Panthers would be pushovers, but when you’ve got a record like ours, you know you have to be professional and treat every team like the biggest threat ever, b/c they are. You have a giant bulls eye on your chest. I can only hope that there’s a giant $__t storm going on in Minnesota today, b/c you can’t play like this and say Super Bowl with any credibility.

  30. By crogers on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    I sure hope all this was not for nothing. We are starting to lokk like the vikings of old. I thought this team had a legitimate shot at the super bowl but now I wonder if they are even going to win another game. Get up and play like real vikings and dont fall apart again. In order to be a championship team you have to win the games you are supposed to win. You cant let sub .500 teams embarrass you like this it makes people question your true ability. Turn this around now and lets win out the rest of the way or it will be the same as it always is and this special year will be a flop.

  31. By BeeCharmer on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    How many players do you know that when told to take a seat said”NO” I’m playing?! Wow, what a brat. If you don’t think that is a problem? Who is in charge there. Lord Favre apparently. Unfortunately, it will be the Vikes that have to telll Favre the words he doesn’t want to hear/ YOU’RE BENCHED!

  32. By bass8 on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    BeeCharmer you seem to have something buzzing up your butt. It takes a team to win and lose. Yes Brett took some hits but the TEAM will win and the TEAM will lose. You are speculating on what was said. No one said Coach wanted him out, from what I have heard. he didn’t want him hurt. It almost sounds like you are a disgruntled Packer fan just holding his breath hoping he will fail. How sad for you. People say that it is time to move on..WHATEVER BUG YOU HAVE I HOPE YOU GET RID OF SOON BEFORE IT EATS YOU ALIVE.

  33. By TexasViking on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    I have been saying this. They need ot fire Childress! They Vikings lose because of the coaching. I am telling you, it is Childress and his coaching. They should have fired him last year. The team is loaded with talent and if they had the right coach, would definetly being doing better than what they are. Fire Childress…..

  34. By Viking-ology on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    I HATE the Eagles! The Vikings need to make a statement the next two weeks and show that they deserve to be the #2 seed (and they need that bye) The coaching staff needs to put an aggresive play plan together- and use AP and Harvin for all they offer, use their speed for crying out loud. Reverses, screens, strike some fear in our opponents with our weapons. C’mon Chilly, get it going. You got your extension- now earn it…

  35. By VikesNeedWoz on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    What happened to our vaunted run game? The O LIne cannot pass block or open any holes for Adrian to run through! And where was the efense last night? 300 yards to a practice roster QB? I thought this team was supposed to be a serious contender? It looks like they will again be knocked out early in the playoffs with no run game and no defense? Has anyone seen Allen in the last 4 games? Is he all hype and no action?

  36. By Pat on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    Some players was giving and playing 110% and others seems to be asleep at the wheels – wasn’t ready or wanting to play. ALL PLAYERS SHOULD BE EXCITED AND FIRED UP when they are on the field – if NOT leave them at home – and if you are playing at home – don’t let them in the stadium – send them home

  37. By BeeCharmer on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    Bass, I’m just glad he is not on our team. I don’t have to sit there and hold my breath in championship games anymore. Chilly wanted to pull Favre out of the Oct game against Pack. because he changed a call. That just came over the ESPN wire. Listen to Favre’s press talk. He’s mad.

  38. By Geno on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    I agree with several comments, none of which blame the loss on one person. This is a team sport and the coches have to make the adjustments, their best adujstment was switching players to block Peppers, and did that work? NO! Why didn’t they give help, why didn’t they run slants, why didn’t they run screens, why didn’t we run 3 receiver bunch sets to get one open quick, and why didn’t we double the only two receivers they have? This loss is clearly on the coaching staff and was embarrassing. We had a great opportunity to put pressure on the Saints for them to choke another loss, now we may not get a first round bye. We have the weapons, we need the correct adjustments to be made during the games, period!

  39. By Brodir on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    BLOCK!
    If Favre doesn’t have time to throw and Peterson can’t run, it’s becuase our front line is not doing their job. Should they bench Peterson? His yards were terrible.

    C’mon people. We’re 11-3.

    Childress has obviously done a great job. Favre is one of the top NFL QBs, Peterson is one of the best, we have so many other talents on the offense (plus defense) but none of that matters if we can’t stop the defense from running over our front line.

    BLOCK!
    And we win the Super Bowl.
    It’s that easy.

  40. By Kent on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    Dissension yes, pathetic totally. The effort on boths sides of the ball suggests talent and commitment barely at the high school level. No tackling, no blocking, no effectiveness. This team is destined for a quick flameout in the playoffs!

  41. By Viking-ology on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    When AP had a good game against the Bengals, he said he was in a good ‘rhythm’. Thats the type of runner he is. Coaching staff should know that by now. Keep feeding the ball to Peterson, let him get in a groove and everyone will play better. Just get him the ball by any means necessary.

  42. By Azzy on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    Viking you need to practice in an open stadium. It is realy shamafull to loose a game in an open dome when you live in Minnesota.

  43. By PAVikesFan on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    Like the points by Patrick, we r not a good road team, for cryin out loud we beat DET,STL,CLE, and GB, not impressive by any means. And it’s not fair to #4. he has basically own all our games for us, we’ve had minimal contributions from our running game…This concerns me b/c I dont think this was a wake-up game, wasn’t that supposed to be after we got creamed by ARZ, there are wake-up games 2 out of 3 weeks…Our team is getting exposed, and worse, they’re getting exposed on national TV…I remember back in ’06 when we were 4-2, just handing Seattle their first loss at their place in a longtime. Everyone thought this team was “for real”. Our next game was on Monday night at home vs. NE. They came out fir-ing and we got completely obliterated, and every team used that game tape and used it against us the rest of the year, and we finished 2-8, to go 6-10. To me, this is reality, when u lose ur starting MLB and replace him with a rookie and u have a first-year starter in safety Tyrell Johnson who cant do a thing right, u have problems. Ur only as strong as your weakest link, and that means we are not that strong…we have some major issues on defense now, and it becomes even thta more evident when we dont get any pressure on the QB, which we havent been doing, consequently we’ve been getting drubbed. I’m more concerned with our D than our offense,b/c we do have some playmakers on offense but we dont have any on defense…And to the Packer fan coming on here, I think he was beecharmer or something, All #4 did was restore ur once proud franchise. Before he arrived in GB, I’m pretty sure u hadnt had a single playoff victory since 1970 and hadnt been to the playoffs in many years. This guy brought u a championship, brought ur fans so many memories and that’s the way u treat him?!, that, my fair-weather friend, is pathetic. U should be greatful that he ever pas-sed thru ur organization. ask the Bears how their QB’s have been thru the years.

  44. By Dr. Tako on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    Favre is a dinosaur and he doesn’t respect his coach because Childress looks like the guy that got torn apart by the raptors in Jurassic Park III. Dinosaurs got each others’ backs. Hee Hee!

  45. By vbviking on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    You go out and get one of the best quaterbacks of all time and want to pull him in a close game with the oppurtunity to at least vie for home feild throughout the playoffs. What are you thinking? Where is the running game to help take some pressure off? I think we should look at the coach even if he did just get an extension…Maybe we should promote from within and not let another defensive coordinator take another team to and win a Super Bowl

  46. By Brownicus on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    im just dissapointed, think most people covered anything else that needed to be said.

  47. By BeeCharmer on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    Ummmmmm, not a male. Oh, and all you past Viking Favre haters now ya love him. HMMMMMM. I find that fascinating. I enjoyed watching Favre over the years but did not like how he needed all the attention and thought he should run the team. He lost more of the big games then won them. You’ll see. Go back and check the records. Many costly interceptions. He does not listen to his coaches. Guess you all are finding that out now

  48. By PAVikesFan on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    Maybe, but without him, you guys wouldnt have won anything, u’d be stuck with QB after Qb after Qb after QB…It’s like u took it for granted, man…That’s disappointing to hear as a football fan in general, how u could just throw him under the bus, he WAS the GREEN BAY PACKERS for 16 years!!!

  49. By Pat on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    Favre will give the Vikings a better chance in the playoff than T. Jackson or Sage R. – if GB felt that Favre wasn’t a factor they would have RELEASED him out right – but they didn’t that why he had to retire, then go to the Jets and then had to retire again. His way he would have LEFT GB YEARS and YEARS ago and came to the Vikings the next day.

  50. By BeeCharmer on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    no, he threw packer fans, and the organization under the bus. Wait till he does it you.

  51. By Gobidog on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    This Viking team is a little banged up and bruised. The subs are getting valuable playing time and experience. The Vikings have way to many weapons. When they are healthy,they are dangerous. I have been a Vikings team for a long time and this is an exciting team. you have good games and you have bad games. We got the bad games out of the way. It is time to get the Good times rolling. Go Vikings. All the way to the endzone and all the way to the superbowl.

  52. By Brodir on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    According to the NFL, Brett Favre is the #2 ranked quaterback.

    Ahead of Philip Rivers, Aaron Rodgers. Peyton Manning… everyone but Drew Brees.

    The Vikings are 11-3, third best team in both conferences.

    I don’t get it.
    So why are we upset?
    Because the Vikings lost a game?
    But they won 11.
    Didn’t they just clinch their division?

    Maybe some of you “fans” should be benched.
    GO VIKINGS!

  53. By Josey on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    BeeCharmer – You are nothing but a T-R-O-L-L. You are a pathetic Packer Fan who was jilted by Favre and now you are trying to make yourself feel better by coming on here. Perhaps, Lady you should go back to the packers site and read and comment on the articles regarding your Kicker who missed a 37 gimme field goal, or Jolly who is due in court tomorrow, or how you let the Steelers go 80 yards and beat you with no time left.

    Either way, enough of your Favre bashing. Be gone, Troll.

  54. By Pat on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    “So why are we upset? ”

    When some of your players don’t give 110% and take plays off – this is why

  55. By BeeCharmer on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    Wow, you Viking fans get angry. Just wait until Number 4 throws the game losing pick in championship game. Like I said before, glad he’s gone. Oh, when is the next boat trip and maybe Chilly can sell his tickets to games. Oh, and by the way. Did you know that when the vikes went to philly that Chilly dressed up in wig, skirt , and stockings on flight. I’m impressed. Oh, quit speeding over there. Might kill someone

  56. By BeeCharmer on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    Also, that game last night Packers Steelers was fantastic. Lets see vikes panthers not so much

  57. By Stu on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    A poor showing to be sure, but wait and see.Inconsistancy has been showing up here and there this season thus far. Part of that is the building process and sorry, but part of that is coaching. As mentioned, lining AP behind Farve tips the play. Too often with the long count cuts both ways…really poor tackling speaks to poor coaching technique and lack of focus by the players.I’d like to know if Favre has been harped on about staying in the pocket? It just doesn’t work for him.I agree with many that the play calling is really predictable.

  58. By Pat on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    Some have NO idea of the Excitement, the Thrill , the Passion of having the NFC Championship Game being held on the Minnesota Vikings HOME FIELD.

    When every Players played with the Heart and Passion of a Viking Warrior.

    Vikings are FEARLESS, afraid of nothing and NO ONE !

  59. By HANK on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    THE LINE MEN WEREN’T INJURED AND TOO MANY MISSED TACKLES……CHAMPIONSHIP TEAMS OVERCOME POOR PLAYING I’LL RESERVE MY THOUGHTS AFTER THEY PLAY THE BEARS AND GIANTS

  60. By Vfan on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    Beecharmer- its funny how you GB “fans” thought Favre was like a god and could do no wrong when he wore the Packer colors. now all of you show your TRUE COLORS by trashing the best player you have had in your franchise in quite some time! I am a die-hard Vikingfan and have always loved the way he plays the game….Packer or not! now reading your posts, it only goes to show how shallow your fanbase is!!!! Everytime I hear Chilly’s presser he says (not verbatim…….that means not word for word Beecharmer) he said he told Brett that he was “THINKING” about taking him out of the game! i respect ANY player who wants to stay in a game and try to help his team try to win. Even when the o-line has an off day an he is constantly picking himself up off the turf!! You can just KEEP the playe2rs that want to turn tail and run when everything isn’t all lolli-pops and rainbows!!!!

  61. By BeeCharmer on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    Oh please. He wanted to pull him several times. Read the news. Also, read about chilly in his towel coming out of the shower last night. They kicked out a reporter because chilly was screaming and ranting. You vike fans are mean LOL

  62. By Josey on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    Bee Charmer – All there is left to say is the Vikings & Favre SCHOOLED your Packers not once, but TWICE this season.

    Go back and watch MNF and root for the Redskins to help save your playoff hopes. by the way – Giants are winning 7-0.

  63. By 13thEA on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    Lifelong fan here, but about done with the viking pipe dream.

  64. By Viking-ology on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    Vikes got two games to make it right. The playoffs start now.

  65. By Pat on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    Vikings are STILL in a good spot –

    Childress needs to get EVERY player’s Mind and Heart in the Games.

    They’ve got to want to be Superbowl Champions and it will come

  66. By Pat on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    Bee Charmer will be the FIRST one to post here after the Vikings win the Superbowl – saying “We did it, We WON the Superbowl, We are #1, etc…..

  67. By Vfan on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    Beecharmer- I forgot….remind me again. Who won the NFC North division this year?….AGAIN! Go back and hope you hold on to your 6th-seed wild-card spot! The Vikings will be fine and when youguys go home in the first round, you can watch Brett Favre take the Vikings to a Super
    Bowl WIN!! All while crying in your cheesehead and grasping you autographed Farve photo screaming why oh why was our management pig-headed enough to trade away the best thing that ever happened to your franchise!!

  68. By Stu on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    2 away games now where the Vikes come in slipping and sliding…that might throw a player’s concentration. That misstep should have been corrected after Arizona, one would think. Pro football’s a tuff go. Hope they figure out the big picture.

  69. By Vfan on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    Beecharmer- What? Truth hurts, dosen’t it! Or is it bedtime so you can get up early to milk the cows?

  70. By vbviking on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    Brett played a good game. He had several drops no protection and no running game. Not getting your team prepared any week in the NFL is the coaches fault. Childress is not cosistant in his choices Trying to pull one of the greatest quaterbacks ever Yet his play calling is very predictable with all the talent we have we should be steamrolling teams. We need an attitude change and that starts with coaching Again we dont want to let one of our defensive coordinator coach another team to a Super Bowl win I hope our owner has learned from the past

  71. By vbviking on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    I was at the game Actually saw the team leave the hotel and get on the bus..They looked very flat and it carried over to the game COACHING

  72. By vbviking on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    It,s often said a team reflects it,s coaches personality. Is that whats going on

  73. By Joe Berserker on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    The “heated discussion” is only a symptom of a much deeper problem – proper preparation. Both the play calling and O-Line asignments could not match the opposition’s defensive schemes. And tackling ?-not! They were prepared – the Vikes were not – and this isn’t the first time (see two weeks ago). Success at any level, whether it be High School, College or Pro follows the same formula: Success is preparation meeting opportunity. Get back to the fundamentals (Offensive execution & tackling on defense), inject some creativity on defensive looks, and believe! You did it in the first seven games!
    P.S. – Pat had some wise comments.

  74. By BeeCharmer on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    Oh, I’ m still here. Enjoying all your anger

  75. By moorevikes on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    lets go vikes. fix whatever the problem or problems are and lets go bear hunting. 11-3 and PA this one’s for you SUPERBOWL BOUND. just messin with you PA. that’s just the way i am i will always hope for the SB til we are eliminated. bottom line horrible game by EVERYONE. intensity, intensity, intensity that’s what we need from here on out nothing less. i still love the VIKES nothing will ever stop that. for those that are done with the team who are you kidding come monday night you’ll be watching and if not you and beecharmer can go watch the packers. i for one couldn’t bring myself to put a slice of cheese on my head instead i’ll put my horns on and root for my only team.

  76. By FredO on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    The poor showing by the Vikings in the last three games is not Farve fault . It is mainly the Coach. Because He refuse to use a Full Back/Blocking Back or at lease someone to lead AD at the point of attack in the running game. The Blocking Back would also aid protection in the passing game. This is a copy -cat league and all teams will copy what appears to work. I regret to say it, but I believe the Vikings will not win another game if they do not use a blocking back to help in the run/passing game. Looking at other good running teams around the league, most are using fullbacks or pulling tight ends/slot receiver to help at run points of attack. I hope the Coaching staff realize this and make the required changes before it’s too late.. On the defence side we must learn how to Tackle! In case you have not noticed, most teams have a very high “Run After Contack” against the Vikings. We need a “Tackling Coach” fast. Go Vikes….

    FredO

  77. By jesseb on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    hey ca norwegian, “with our defense???” what defense? and its very “iffy” when u say t-jack could be better…what exactly does his resume look like buddy? not a whole lot on there…im sorry coach can coach too…if a team has one….chilly is not a coach…should be fired today !!!!!!

  78. By Josey on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    Bee Charmer, what a sad life you must lead. You must be a lonely woman to sit on a web site of a rival and read other’s thoughts about a team that you are not a fan of. By the way – Giants now lead 38-6 late in the 3rd. Doesn’t look like NY is going to help your packers tonight.

    But you go ahead and sit in the shadows over here, if it makes you feel better. I’m very happy with Brett Favre and heading for the first round bye and a home game in the playoffs. The only thing packer “fans” such as yourself have to cling to is the hope that the Vikings and Brett lose in the NFC Champ. game and / or SB.

    Of course, you will be WATCHING that game from your basement while furiously typing away your witty comments on this site.

  79. By PAVikesFan on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    My question is, we had things to play for and we showed up like that?…we had the possibility of catching the Saints and also holding off the Eagles for the 2 seed. I dont know how you can play like that with all these things on the line, I guess the only thing I can think of is that since we already know we are in the playoffs, that must mess with our minds, the only thing I can think of…I think if we lose this week to CHI then we will lose to NYG the following week, b/c all of a sudden they are starting to play well. I dont know what to make of all this stuff, how can something that is going so good all of a sudden w/o warning turn so bad, it all started with losing our guy EJ, that was the worst moment for me, seeing him being taken off the field on a cart.

  80. By jesseb on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    beecharmer get in bed u have school tomorrow….yea w/o number 4 as u say…there wont be any championship games so dont worry about it son lol oh yea!

  81. By BeeCharmer on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    I just find this really entertaining. Read your papers about chillys outburst coming out of the shower. I think it’s in the Pioneer Press. Better worry about the skism

  82. By BeeCharmer on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    Happy winter solstice

  83. By neyski on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    Ms.,Mr., or whatever,BeeCharmer…Before you go on babbling with another short sighted bla, bla, bla, think of how silly you sound you spoiled brat. The operative word here is ‘championship’ game, as well as 12 playoffs in 16 years. You should be so lucky as to have to hold your breath so many times over the next 16 years.

  84. By kritter on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    Really missing Birk, should have kept him, makes the running game so much more than what it is this year, Farve or TJack or whoever, you just can’t win them all, look at the Unbeaten Patriots 2 years ago…

  85. By Josey on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    Anyone else think that Bee’s obsession with the Vikings, Brett Favre and Childress “coming out of the shower” is a bit disturbing?

  86. By Viking reality check on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    This is it the TRUE PROBLEM:BRAD CHILDRESS; Mastermind my behind. First lets give credit, Chilli is good with picking up decent players but besides that he is outright terrible at play calls, adjusting in games, and using players to their full potential. In Football we need to score and run up the points. One of Brad’s biggest flaw is that he cant keep the team motivated and high spirited to deliver a good performance on the road. Last night game was a disgrace; due to the inability from our Coach to adjust, adapt, use a trick or wild cat play just nothing. The team lacks the killer instinct, the go getta attitude. I’m not a republican, but at this point I’d rather have Pres George Bush as head coach than Childress, atleast we’d be bombing teams up. Yep its that bad and I’m not gonna water it down. We need to be more assertive, less predictable, and more aggressive before we win a SuperBowl

  87. By kenmtb on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    beecharmer-
    If you really want to sit back and listen to miserable fans, slink back to your packers board….please

    PS who’s 11-3???

  88. By kritter on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    i totally agree

  89. By PurplePeopleEater on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    BeeCharmer – Really? Just what kind of story are you trying to create with this shower incident? The head coach just came out of a horrible loss and is unhappy. People have been saying for years now just how much of a pushover he is. Well guess what? I’m happy that Childress finally let some steam off. After a loss like that I hope he is screaming at everybody. Just because some reporter tried to insinuate it was because of one of a million possibilities, you are taking that as fact. How about you stop trying to assume things and take it for what it is, a head coach that is furious about such a humiliating loss. You’ll see the same kind of reaction from any other coach in the same situation.

  90. By Viking-ology on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    First of all, stop engaging with the beecharmer. She will buzz off when shes had her fill. The Vikings have a Monday night game against the Bears to prove to everyone that they are true contenders. I expect they will play angry and dominate this game. Go Vikes!

  91. By PAVikesFan on Dec 21, 2009 | Reply

    ‘Viking Reality Check': that is maybe the funniest post I have ever read on here, the George Bush comment was great, made me laugh, and the sad thing is, ur probably right LOL!…I think I needed to read something like that before I head off into the night, It’s just a game after all is said and done, but that doesnt diminish the fact that we live and die with them

  92. By Stephanie on Dec 22, 2009 | Reply

    this game was not an unimportant game in which you bench Favre to save him for the playoffs…the Saints lost so the Vikings had a better chance at getting the number 1 seed. so if they wanted a chance for homefield advantage throughout the playoffs then they needed to win that game. Brett wanted to continue to play even though he was getting hit and sacked b/c they were still winning 7-6 and he wanted to try and get something going. I understand Childress’s thinking, but he shouldn’t have mentioned it to Brett b/c how else would Brett react? He’s never been pulled from a game just to “protect him” when the game was on the line and homefield advantage was on the line. again, the game was not unimportant. if it was the last game of the season and the outcome of the game wouldn’t affect anything…then I would understand pulling him to “save him for the playoffs.”

  93. By Hothouse on Dec 22, 2009 | Reply

    Is there any ex-football players on this blog. I don’t think so. All I hear is alot of complaining about #4, or the coaches or the rest of the team. They win as a team and loose as a team. This is a very physical and mental game the Vikes play and much preparation goes into playing it to get the good results you want. I personally did not see the fire in #4 or the rest of the team. This could have been attributed to the announcement of the Packers defeat just before the game. Football is 80% mental preparation. If you are not focused you will get beat up no matter who you are. There is not one Vike that really believes they are going to get the number one spot but with the next two they should get at least one. They will settle for the #2 spot. And let’s not forget the injury to Henderson. This has to be on everyone’s mind. There is no Vike that wants to give that 100% to risk injury before they really need to. The Vikes will be find and just maybe will be in the BIG GAME.

  94. By LOIS S. on Dec 22, 2009 | Reply

    I HOPE THE COUCH READS THESE OR SOME OF THE VIKING PLAYERS READS WHAT WE ALL HAVE TO SAY. MAYBE WHAT WE ALL HAVE TO SAY MIGHT HELP. ALL I HAVE TO SAY. BRAD IS NOT AT FAULT BECAUSE WE LOST. IT IS SUPOSE TO BE A TEAM. WHAT HAPPENED TO THOSE PLAYERS WHO ARE TO KEEP THE OTHER TEAM FROM GETTING TO BRAD? THEIR THE ONES WHO SHOULD BE DOING THEIR JOB, ANYWAY THAT’S WHAT I SEE WRONG, PLUS SOMETHING IS WRONG WITH THE COUCHING STAFF TOO. NOW IF YOUR A TRUE VIKING FAN, THEN STAND BY THEM, OR DON’T WATCH THEM SO ALL YOU CAN DO IS CRITICIZE. BRAD IS THE BEST QB AND WE WILL MAKE IT. GO VIKES!

  95. By Hothouse on Dec 22, 2009 | Reply

    Lois, you are a smart lady!

  96. By Childress is an AWESOME coach on Dec 22, 2009 | Reply

    Chilly is one the best coaches in the NFL. He’s gotten two games better each year. Unlike most of the people on KFAN and most of the fans, Chilly does NOT base his decisions on emotion or personal dislike for T-Jack. He only cares about putting the best person on the field and winning. If people think Chilly make a great choice in getting Sage and then Favre, then these same people can NOT say he made a bad choice in trying to bench Favre. You can NOT have it both ways. Let’s stop with the nonsense that Chilly won’t admit he made a mistake with T-Jack. If he thought this way, he would have never brought in Sage and Favre. Let’s admit it. Favre isn’t as good as everyone thinks, and T-Jack isn’t as bad as everything thinks. Johnson and T-Jack got 8 wins 2 years ago. Ferotte and T-Jack got 10 wins last year. As a result, Sage and T-Jack would have gotten 12 wins this year. Adding Favre this year might get you one extra win at 13.

  97. By fmfan on Dec 22, 2009 | Reply

    we may never know why Chili wanted to bench Favre maybe it was to protect him from getting hurt or maybe he was tired of Favre changing plays. We may never know… To start the 2nd half 3 & out then 4 & out with all the plays passing plays I would say Favre was changing run plays to pass plays. (Peterson had just 3 rushing attempts in the 2nd half.)

  98. By ORVikingFan on Dec 22, 2009 | Reply

    I have been a viking fan my whole life and have seen continous chokes. This game would of been a million times worse if TJ was playing if anything give Farve credit for wanting to stay in and fight! It worked in SF or have we forgotten? This teams just needs to believe again that they are one of the best teams if not the best team in the NFL. If they can believe in themselves again like they did the first 3/4 of the season it wouldnt mater if we played on grass, turf or mud. You can see every since the last game against the pack they dont seem to really care or have faith in themselves. We all praised Brett when we were beating everyone up and we should stick by our team, coach and players like true fans! Go Vikings!

  99. By MDvikesfan on Dec 22, 2009 | Reply

    Look everybody as much as I dislike Favre (hate is a better word)….you can’t blame it all on him. He had no time in the pocket at all. The offensive line has been suffering for the past 5 weeks now. The offensive line coach needs to pull his head out of his butt. Who’s calling the plays now that Birk is gone? I hope not Sullivan. Remember you have basically 2 rookies out there Sullivan and Loadholt. Am I forgetful or did Peppers eat us alive the last time he played us?

    The fact that our defense is missing Henderson should be pretty evident right now as well. Can we put on the sideline to help because our linebacker coach isn’t doing so well either. I know we are short handed with Erin adding to our woes but let’s start coaching instead of pointing fingers!!!!

    I’m still the BIGGEST Vikes fan out there, WE ARE REPEAT DIVISION CHAMPS!!

  100. By VIKING in nh on Dec 22, 2009 | Reply

    SAME OLD VIKINGS- DIFFERENT YEAR , COME ON GUYS WIN FOR YOUR FANS FOR GOD SAKE !!!!!!!!!!!!! CHILLY, I WILL PLAY HARD FOR YOU, GOT A SPOT??????????????

  101. By David on Dec 22, 2009 | Reply

    When it is all said and done (after venting) I will defer to what Bob(vike fan from the days of Fran) wrote. He is right on!

  102. By Will on Dec 22, 2009 | Reply

    The only reasoned he considered benching favre was because he didnt want him to get injured. TJ would have got beat up the same, it wasnt about switching QBs just injuries. Dont be a fool TJ is probably the worst QB in the NFL. If you cant win with favre at QB your not gonna win. Defense and Run game win superbowls. This game was a sham no one here had intention on playing this game hard already clinched dont expect hard play next week either, remember arizona last season clinched and lost out, then went to the super bowl

  103. By Dixie Lee on Dec 22, 2009 | Reply

    I’ve never commented before. But reading the previous ones ticked my funny bone. I’ve been a Viking fan since moving to MN (even though I was born in WI) I’ve never like Favre because he’s always been on an ego trip. Recall him getting sat down in a Packer game – he sat at the far end of the bench with a towel over his head instead of cheering his teammates on. I gave up on the game at 10 P.M. so missed the coach/QB altercation. I agree that coach needed to be stronger and not take sass from a 40 year old egotistic flip-floping liar! One game that he ‘won’ with the hail Mary, he nearly lost with two delay of game penalties and an over the scrimmage line pass penatly. He should have stayed retired!

  104. By Josey on Dec 22, 2009 | Reply

    Dixie Lee, who do you think you’re fooling? You are either a) Bee Charmer with a different screen name or b) another hater from the packers site coming on here to troll.

    Only Favre Hating Packer Fans use the term “flip-flopping”. Very transparent.

  105. By BeeCharmer on Dec 22, 2009 | Reply

    I’m not Dixie Lee but agree with her. Wow, the benching news is becoming quite the news. They have wanted to sit Favre on several occasions. That won’t sit well. No pun intended. He’s undermining your whole team. Go Favre. BTW this is my slow time of season that’s why I get to be entertained here. We don’t hate Favre we just don’t like the way he wanted to become a Vike. Very, vEry sneaky. And guess what? Mike McCarthy wasn’t going to let him run the show. What would Holgrem or say Bill Cowher done? They would have slammed his a– on the bench

  106. By BeeCharmer on Dec 22, 2009 | Reply

    Can you imagine if they would have sat Favre at the Lambeau game. Oh, if only we knew what was going on then.

  107. By Iowa Season ticket holder on Dec 22, 2009 | Reply

    This comment is for the Viking’s players, coaches and organization……….SUCK IT UP AND WIN! You want to win don’t you? Schism, no schism, I don’t care! I don’t buy tickets and drive 8 hours to watch a bunch of PMS-ing ladies lose ball games. No behind the scenes problems? Then stop letting the media start SH*%. We aren’t hearing about problems in Indianapolis or New Orleans. We shouldn’t be hearing about problems in Minnesota either. You guys have the talent and the skills necessary to win it all. SHUT UP and DO IT!!

  108. By Pat on Dec 22, 2009 | Reply

    “what Bob(vike fan from the days of Fran) wrote.”

    Yes, Scammbling Fran, man those were some days – took ‘em to the SB vs. Oakland.

    It’s Time for another SB and this TIME we win and WIN BIG !

  109. By VIKING in nh on Dec 22, 2009 | Reply

    SEEMS LIKE WE ALL ARE VERY UPSET W/THE VIKES LACK OF WILL AGAINST A 5-8 TEAM . THEY SEEMED CALM AND JUST GOING THROUGH THE MOTIONS IF THATS WHAT YOU WANT TO CALL IT.WE NEED SOMEONE WHO WILL GET ANGRY AND HAVE THE DRIVE TO WIN ! ARNT WE ALL SICK OF THIS?

  110. By CA Norwegian on Dec 22, 2009 | Reply

    Vikes need less predictable play calling. Favre is maybe their best blocking QB, so add in some wildcat. See how Brett likes blocking corners! Run some options with Percy as the Pitch man. Do something different for the playoffs on the road please!

  111. By joe on Dec 22, 2009 | Reply

    who’s the coach on this team?the players have their adrenaline pumping and are certainly in no position to call the game.farve should shut up and do what he’s told.let the coach do his job.

  112. By Rob on Dec 22, 2009 | Reply

    Chilly needs to drop the ego and give Favre the keys to the offense. The last two years Chilly’s kick butt offense has been a joke, he lucked out in getting Adrian, but now teams know how to stop him. It’s Chilly’s ego and his control freekedness that will dump this team, all great QB’s need leeway in the O. Chilly plays not to loose, Brett plays to win.

    Give it up Brad

  113. By Rick on Dec 22, 2009 | Reply

    PLEASE Coach Childress…..You have a world class back, 4 superb wide outs, and an HOF quarterback. Why then pray-tell are you jamming into such tight offensive formations ???? PLEASE, your linemen should have at least 2′ splits; your formations should be single back, spread; and never (I mean NEVER) should you run in a formation needing a fullback !! What the hey !!!!

  114. By Viking-ology on Dec 22, 2009 | Reply

    The fallout continues… Vikes better get their stuff straightened out or its one and done. C’mon Vikes get it together!

  115. By gary on Dec 22, 2009 | Reply

    without farve the dont even win the division
    Did you not see them beat the packers twice

  116. By vbviking on Dec 22, 2009 | Reply

    Childress is an average coach surrounded by great talent. I wonder what team Leslie Frazier will be coaching next year. Again in the not to distant past weve lost 2 defensive coordinators that took other teams to the Super Bowl as head coaches. Wake up Ziggy

  117. By VikingsDefenseFan on Dec 22, 2009 | Reply

    BeeCharmer.. What can be said about you? You talk as if most vikings fans don’t know what defeats feel like. You talk as if we don’t know that BETTER than you do! I don’t even know what team you’re a fan of for that matter, most likely packers.. In any respect you guys have had a bad decade. Try 5 decades of defeats and failures and see how you digest that, then maybe you can come to the table and speak your ill gotten points that have no relevance to our hardships. By the way, you remind me of a woman’s scorn. I guess you feel Favre is the reason for all your hopes and dreams being crushed. Now your remaining reason for watching Football, is to perpetuate the same negativity you feel onto others, because it is the only thing that gives you pleasure in your constant narcissistic ego. Here’s my opinion. You’re obsessed with Favre. I recommend 2 milkshakes a day, and holding a puppy once a week under responsible supervision.

  118. By BeeCharmer on Dec 22, 2009 | Reply

    Really now? I’m not obsessed with Favre, just fascianted. You Vikes are mean spirited. Now isn’t it near the holidays? Lets be nice

  119. By Josey on Dec 22, 2009 | Reply

    Bee has a bee up her a$$ and the only thing that makes her feel better is coming on here. She KNOWS the Vikings ( and her beloved Brett ) humiliated the packers not only in the Dome but in their own backyard.

    There is nothing, I repeat NOTHING that can take that away. That and the 11-3 Division Champs title. The Packers are clinging to life support at 9-5.

    As far as this he said, he said on the table with Childress/Favre – did anyone see T.Jack warming up on the sidelines? The cameras almost ALWAYS show a back up QB warming up as a sign of him going in. That was nowhere to be seen. Childress & Favre had a convo and it was caught on camera. You can bet that if TJack was told he was going in on the next series, he would have been warming up and those cameras would’ve been all over that, speculating the change of QB. But, that was not the case.

    Moving on. ( I suggest Bee does the same and worries more about Jolly’s drug issues in TX. )

  120. By BeeCharmer on Dec 22, 2009 | Reply

    What? you want me to leave this fun

  121. By cidrev on Dec 22, 2009 | Reply

    Fran you are on the money with so many of the authors. Why wasn’t Hutch assigned Ppeppers? Why can’t the acclaimed O-line do anything. Why did we let Birk go? Bret has been great and fun to watch. D-line is average at best….even the “great motor” has been average even with all his end of the game sacks. The real issues is below average coaching…this group drafts well, real well but coaches real bad.

  122. By Josey on Dec 22, 2009 | Reply

    This one is for you, Bee.
    NFL.com has just put up an article titled ” Don’t Blame Brett ”
    Interesting article – doesn’t point the finger at anyone player.

    Better go read it Bee, that will really get you going.

  123. By Pat on Dec 22, 2009 | Reply

    “Why wasn’t Hutch assigned Ppeppers? ”

    Hutch is a Guard – not a Tackle or TE

    I think what was happening the OL – didn’t know what play to run ( Childress or Favre when he change it at the LOS , because of the defense Carolina was in.)

  124. By Nate F. on Dec 22, 2009 | Reply

    I think they should involve Tavaris Jackson a bit more in the games. Possibly a wild cat or a bootleg option. Brett’s the man but when even he can’t get things going throw in your back up. Tavaris should’ve played the second half of the Arizona game and even when the Vikes knew they had no chance against the Panthers (I believe they were up 2 or 3 touchdowns in the 4th quarter) they kept Favre in the game. You need your back up to get his feet wet a bit because if favre decides he can’t play in the playoffs or the super bowl you would want Tavaris to be ready!

  125. By Nate F. on Dec 22, 2009 | Reply

    I also think their play calling is way too traditional. They run on first down with one back (AP) and then they take A P out throw on second. Then Chester Taylor comes in but they only use him to block. They need to keep both of them in at the same time like Miami does with Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams. They should have percy doing some flea flickers and all types of trick plays because he can throw he can catch and he can run. They need to start destroying teams like they did against the Bengals and the Seahawks

  126. By Nate F. on Dec 22, 2009 | Reply

    Childress did do some good things by getting Percy Harvin, Adrain Peterson, Jared Allen, and of course Brett Favre. But he’s doesn’t have the mentality to drive this team to the superbowl. Minnesota got caught up in the win/lose record. If they were playing like the saints by destroying teams and playing their hearts out then I would understand his extension. The only loss I could accept from the Vikings was the one against Pittsburg. They had a chance to win the game but Chester couldn’t keep it in his gloves. but losses against Carolina And Arizona were just embarassing. I would love to see Favre come back next year and after that call it quits but i truly believe they will make it to the super bowl next year if Favre returns. Hopefully they can focus on their secondary and their offensive line.

  127. By Nate F. on Dec 22, 2009 | Reply

    Everyone go to this link to check the playoff picture

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8147d1c0&template=no-right-rail-with-comments&confirm=true

    If the season ended today. Packers and Cardinals would have to face each other to play Minnesota. We already seen what the Cardinals could do to the Vikes. Should we hope for the packs to beat them so we can face them since we already beat them twice? By the way, Arizona and Green Bay face each other for the last game of the season.

  128. By BeeCharmer on Dec 23, 2009 | Reply

    WOW, schism bigger, and better than ever. Loved the fact Favre had a towel on his shoulder. LOL. You know the shower scene with Chilly. They were fighting and Chilly had just a towel around his waist.

  129. By BeeCharmer on Dec 23, 2009 | Reply

    Hey, where is everybody? Starting to see what I’ve been saying. What a mess you have. So glad it’s you.

  130. By Tony on Dec 23, 2009 | Reply

    You all can have Brett Favre, he is nothing but a cry baby when he cant have his own way it costed us Super Bowl 32. He wanted the MVP so bad he kept on passing and passing it was not doing us any good. We could have run the ball all day long score after score. But Brett had to have his own way,we lost due to him. Check out the films,stats whatever you want. The Packers did not lose Brett Favre lost Super Bowl XXXII

  131. By Tony on Dec 23, 2009 | Reply

    The Packers may not be better than the Vikings, however we will take our quaterback over yours any day Brett is a HASBEEN

  132. By VikingsDefenseFan on Dec 24, 2009 | Reply

    Lol. Most Vikings fans do a little technique called “move on”. I had to check back just to make sure that no kids fell through the cracks, but here’s Bee and Tony. Next time I’ll call your parents.

  133. By BeeCharmer on Dec 24, 2009 | Reply

    Geezzzzzzz, Haven’t I been warning you all week about this prima donna? He is not a happy camper. He wanted to bear Aaron Rodgers so bad in stats that it has become his and Peterson’s down fall. The foundation is crumbling. Just heard that one sports writer said getting rid of Favre was the best move Pack made. To be a great GM sometimes you have to make unpopluar descions. I love it, I love it.

  134. By BeeCharmer on Dec 24, 2009 | Reply

    Are you all snuggled in for the night

  135. By Bob(vike fan from the days of Fran) on Dec 25, 2009 | Reply

    WOW!!!! All the good sense in the blog this week! Oh… and some still angry, whining cheddarheads in the bunch. It’ll be O.K., boys… don’t cry… ) :

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